Dumb Blonde - TBT: Heidi Lavon and James Ramsey

Episode Date: June 12, 2025

Bunnie is joined by one of social media's hottest and sexiest couples, Heidi Lavon and James Ramsey. The dynamic duo talk about how they met and fell in love at first photo shoot, advice for overcoming life's challenges and building a new life to be stronger than ever, and what's next for their growing empire. They also discuss how to not compare yourself to others, what life behind the camera is really like, and how to take the power back behind your own reputation.Watch Full Episodes & More:www.dumbblondeunrated.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Today we have TikTok's cosplay queen Heidi. How do I pronounce your last name? Is it LaVaughn or? LaVaughn. Yeah, LaVaughn works. Yeah a lot of some people will be like LaVaughn. Yeah I don't want to mispronounce it. So is it Heidi LaVaughn? Heidi LaVaughn. Heidi LaV Heidi Levant and James Ramsey. Yes, how you doing? What's up? I'm so happy to have you guys here. I know, it's been so long, man. I feel like we've been talking forever.

Dude, well, so I've been following you on Instagram for years. I mean, like we've all, we all, all of us IG thoughts have migrated over to TikTok. And we've kind of taken it over though. We have, We have. I'm proud of us. We figured out a way.

We figured out a way. You know what I mean? We're like roaches. We just fucking get in the cracks and figure out how to make it work and multiply. There's one. There's a bunch of them. We team up. We team up. There's a way to do it on TikTok, you know?

Absolutely. And some girls can figure it out and some girls can't. The transition has been kind of hard. But I'm happy to see you thriving. I've tried to explain. Same for you. You're just, dude, we've been talking for a while and just like, I just love seeing the from then till now is just there's a lot happening. It's happening really fast. Especially for you. I see it. I appreciate it so much. So, okay. There's so much about you guys and your story individually and together that I want to know. So let's just kind of like dive in.

OK. I want to start with you, and then we'll kind of bounce back and forth in between. So where did you grow up, Heidi? I grew up in Fairbanks, Alaska. So I was born in Arizona, raised in Alaska, moved back and forth from Alaska to Arizona, and then I ended up in Oregon.

Actually followed my best friends. Shout out to Noel. I followed my best friends I grew up with in Fairbanks. Went to Salem, Oregon, went to Portland, stayed there for probably about 13, 14 years. And during that time, I met James. Aw, I love that. It was like, we're gonna get to that. Is growing up in Salem as spooky as we're going to get it. Yeah, we're going to get to that.

Is growing up in Salem as spooky as it sounds? Oh, I didn't know not Salem. No, she's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Grown up in Fairbanks. Oh, OK. Fairbanks, Alaska. You said you migrated over to. I migrated over there.

I followed my besties over there. And I was just there for probably, I don't know, like six months. And I was like, I can't be there. I actually, oddly enough, I mean, it's a long story, but the long short is, let's see, born in Arizona, raised in Alaska, went to Arizona, went back to Alaska, and then I met this guy on tour.

This is like, just a very random fact here. I met a guy and then I moved to New York with him, and then from New York, we moved to Oregon. Yeah. So there's that. And you sound like a kind of like a wild child. What was your childhood like growing up? Very wild. With your parents?

Yeah, I'm still very close with my parents. Yeah, they're about to hit their 45th anniversary. They're still married. That's wild, right? I love that. Most parents today, they just aren't married. My dad's been married like eight times. Oh my god, eight times.

He's a fucking hoe bag. Lucky number eight. Yeah, I'm very close with my family. I have three older sisters. I'm the youngest of four, definitely the black sheep. It sounds super cliche, but I mean it's true. It's real. You know what I mean?

They're all very clean cut, wonderful, beautiful. We're just, we're very alike, but very different. Right. Very different. How did that feel growing up to know that you were so different from your siblings? It was very accepting. They were very accepting. So I felt, I felt, I embraced it very easily.

Yeah. You know, I got into trouble quite a bit. I feel like as soon as my mom had the first of us girls and then got to the last of us Which was me she was just like fuck it a little bit Strict I feel like the youngest gets away with everything we get away with everything she she sets some rules But I of course broke them. Yeah, of course I feel like a lot of the rules are I don't know they're meant to be broken

They're definitely meant to be bent. Absolutely. You know, I mean it's a real breaker. You can get away with Nature you're a Gemini be bent. Absolutely. You know what I mean? It's a seaweed we can get away with as kids. Yep, I'm a rule breaker by nature. You're a Gemini, right? Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I don't know. It's like, do I believe in astrology?

I don't really know. But I feel like some of the things I've read about it and have been told about it, I'm like, that just oddly makes sense. It just kind of, you know what I mean? No, it does. It's a love language. I tell everybody, astrology is a love language.

You know, if you take the time to really get to know it. It's kind of like psychology. It's really crazy, but that's a whole nother podcast We'll get into James. What about you? Where'd you grow up? So I grew up in Oregon pretty much my whole life. I enlisted in the army in 2000 was certain army for six years deployed Iraq and Afghanistan I was served in the army for six years, deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. Oh, well, fucking happy Memorial Day. Thank you. I appreciate it. God. But Memorial Day is to remember the soldiers that have fallen. Oh, OK. I'm sorry. No, no, no, no apologies.

This is a comment. I'm sorry. I'm like, how dare you? I have death wish over here. I mean, I admit I asked the same thing, but it's not because I didn't know. It's like I kind of didn't know. I I didn't know I thought it was for everybody. It feels like it. It feels like you it wants to be for everyone. Yeah, but I didn't know that that's really good to know to like let people know that Memorial Day is for the fallen soldiers. Yeah, enlisted in the army was deployed Iraq and Afghanistan. I was deployed Iraq in in 03 and I deployed to Afghanistan in like 2005. Something like that. I got out and lost my leg the day after I got out in a motorcycle accident.

The day of, yeah. It was coming from Italy so it was like the day after. Okay, so much, so much hair. Skipped over a lot. Yeah, I'm like wait a second, so let's rewind. Okay, so you grew up in Oregon yeah what was childhood like for you uh you know my childhood was less than ideal for a lot of it you know like you know like you know bad father figures and and stuff like. And so for me, I just needed to get out from where I was at. You know, like my mom is great.

My grandparents. Amazing. Everybody's awesome. It's just that it didn't really. My mom didn't just choose like the best dudes sometimes. Right. And, you know, my mom wasn't even in a good spot then. So you can't really blame her for it because she's just doing the best she could, you know. So. Absolutely. But yeah, so I decided to enlist in the army. I enlisted like a year before I could go in.

I was like, I got out. Two weeks after I graduated high school, I was in basic training. Wow. And then severe amount of homesickness the second I get to basic training. I'm just like, what did I do? This is stupid. What is that like coming straight out of high school, getting you pretty much

your ass whipped every day. It's an awakening, an eye opening experience. I said, I couldn't make it. He said, I couldn't get through. I don't think I could make it. Thinking about it is exhausting. Well, Heidi is be like, do you think I could do it? I was like, I mean, anybody can do it.

You know, you just got to want to do it. It's the tear gas thing that I ask about that all the time. I'm like, so people are just like crying and puking. Like, that's just what it is. Yeah, so it's so barbaric. Yeah. Well, you got to go through the CS chamber, right? And it's just like basically to show you what CS gas feels like and give you confidence in your ProMask.

Oh my god. So you put your ProMask on. They pop the CS canister in the building. You're like, oh, this ain't bad. And then you're like your pro mask. Oh my God. So you put your pro mask on, they pop the CS canister in the building. You're like, oh, this ain't bad. And then you take the mask off and it's like immediate evacuation of everything in your sinuses.

Your eyes just are watering. You can't see anything. You're like trying to get out. The Joel Sarnes are just laughing. The way my anxiety is set up, there's no way. There's no way. I'd be like, just take me on a gurney right now. Take me out of here. So we're gonna get to your leg, but I want to circle back. Heidi, you growing up, you are it right now. I literally, it's like, I extremely, I'm extremely empathetic and feel and relate to people who are addicts. We are still addicts.

We just chose something else to replace it with. Absolutely. You know, you choose work, work the hustle, just bettering your life. I got addicted to just a better, healthier lifestyle in general. It feels amazing. You never really think that you can get past that when you're so deep in your addiction and using. You just feel like you're drowning. You're drowning, you know what I mean? And it was everything. I've tried everything.

I've done everything. When did you start? How old were you? I was 12. Wow. Yeah, in Fairbanks, Alaska, it's dark, it's desolate. There's nothing to do. I mean, it's literally nine months out of the year

It's the Sun comes up at like 1030 I went to 250. Did you go to Fairbanks? We were Yeah, I think we went to Anchorage was an average but it was dark as fuck there Oh, yeah, and I was like how it's like Twilight and it's more seven and it's warmer in Anchorage than Fairbanks Yeah, Anchorage. It's like, you know, maybe like 10, maybe 0 or so. I've been to Fairbanks. They have the hot springs, right? Yeah, Gina Hot Springs.

Yeah, I've been there too. Thank God you've been there. I tell everybody, I'm like, if you can just make it past the cold, like the 30, 40 below and go in the wintertime, it's magical. Gina Hot Springs. Oh, it's magical. It's so beautiful. I have video footage from it. It's so dope. I have to see that. I'll send it to you on TikTok. It brings memories back.

So 12 years old. 12 years old. You know you start smoking weed that's just like the gateway thing. No most people don't start smoking weed at 12. She's like you know just the gateway drug at 12. I just feel like it was I don't know I, I felt like it was normal. And it's a joke, it's a running joke for people in Alaska. Everything in Alaska is 10 years behind. So I just felt like that was normal. I felt like every 12 year old was just smoking weed and just fucking off and you know. But they weren't, they were not actually in fact.

Was it friends that introduced you or older brother or siblings? Yeah, yeah, it was like friends with older siblings. Okay. Like, you know, yeah, friends with older siblings and that just seemed to be the thing to do. And then, man, yeah, yep. So you started smoking weed. Started doing all of that.

And then what happens after weed? What do you progress to? Oh, you know, it was like ecstasy and mushrooms and all that kind of stuff. A drinking, obviously. There was some weird little underaged dance club. I forgot what it was called. I feel like Vegas had those, too. It was like, what were we doing with those?

What were we doing, man? How did they let us in there? Who ran those? Yeah, who let us in. Pedophiles. Yeah, who let us in. I haveiles. Yeah, who let us in? Literally, I have no idea. It's funny though, some of those same friends

that I used to get in trouble with, I'm still best friends with them until this day. Same. And we all flip our lives around. Drugs bring people together. They do, they do. You know what doesn't belong in your epic summer plans? Getting burned by your old wireless bill.

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like to paint a picture of survival and just to show people how far you've come in life. Sure, sure. And also we're going to do that with you. I appreciate it. Definitely all the way into I had a really, really bad problem with meth. Super, super.

Me too. I almost lost my hand because I was smoking it. I definitely lost my tooth to that. I'm it. I definitely lost my tooth to that. I'm pretty sure that I lost my tooth to that. Thankfully, later on, my teeth are all we're good to go. Yeah, we're good to go. I brace this twice. I got my veneers done. I just wanted to set my mouth up for the future.

Yeah. Yes. That mouth after you fucked it up so much. You're like, let's fix this. Let's fix what I did. So you're in your addiction. You're in it. On meth. Where's the turnaround? Where do you see the light and decide that you want to get sober? I was 18 and I was like, I was like,

I'm going to move to Phoenix. My two sisters had already gone there. And I just wanted a new life. I wanted a new chance at life. I got there. Little did I know that in Phoenix, meth just runs rampant, actually. Oh, no.

Flagstaff, especially. It's horrendous. Yeah. And then I was like, oh. And then I was like a functioning addict at that point, which is horrendous. You also don't think. You think you can handle it, and you're like, everything's great.

I was working my job, da, da, da, da. And then it just got really bad. I met this guy there, of course, and it just got really bad. Then I wasn't showing up to my job, and I was homeless in my car. It was horrendous, you know? And it just got to the- Well, it was an addiction.

It was an addiction, yeah. And my parents never lost sight of us, me, none of us. Yeah, calling us all the time, or I would call them from a payphone, when payphones were still a thing. Dude, kids will never know. They'll never know the struggle. Kids will never know. The beeper getting a beep, Kids will never know. The struggle. The beeper getting a beep

and then having to go use a pay phone to call somebody. You get that 911 beep. Oh my God, there's an emergency. Or the let's go to bed. I never had a pager. Yeah, I never had a pager, but it was always a collect call and it would be like my mom just in tears,

like come back to us. Come back to us. Like you're safe over here. And I did, I was like, okay. So I went back, I got clean, I got clean. I love that you had the parental support because a lot of people don't have that. They're not lucky enough to have that.

Some parents just feel lost themselves and they feel like they just can't handle it. Or they don't know what to do. I never went to rehab, which is really shocking because a lot of my friends either died, went to prison or went to rehab. I never went to rehab, which is really shocking because a lot of my friends either died, went to prison, or went to rehab. I never went to rehab to get sober either. Yeah, it's a gift from God. No, strength within, like it's crazy. It's a gift from God, man. Divine intervention. So you went home, you got sober. Got sober, I slept, I ate, I gained some weight. That's just how it is when you're just doing it.

I say that so casually, but like when you're talking to somebody else who's used, you just know how to, you sleep, you eat, you gain the weight back, and then you just kinda, cause it's like drug and do psychosis, you heal. Yeah, it's like you have to heal your mind from the inside out. And then I admit, I did it a few more times, and when I say a few, it's probably like a handful,

maybe like three times. And I remember the very last time I did it, I just, I waited, it was like going around in a circle and I was like I don't think I'm going to I think this is I don't think I'm gonna do it and then it went around a few more times I was like I think I'm gonna do it one more and it was it was that last hit I took and I was like it was instant regret yeah I was like I'm never doing it again and I never did yeah and then I just stopped I know that feeling you know that feeling. You know that feeling. Yep, that's what I did.

Whatever I stopped, I had pills. I had a problem with Lortabs and Xanax. That was my shit. I never got into the pills, man. Yep, and I just fucking remember the day that I just looked at my husband. This was fucking 2017 and I was like, I don't want these in my blood anymore.

I don't wanna do this, man. I don't want it anymore. And like you literally just, once you make your mind up, that's that. Yeah, it's that and nothing will stop you.'s that's that. And nothing will stop you. I love that. I'm so proud of you. Thank you. Oh, it feels like I've clawed and turned my way to where I have I am now. And and I definitely source that back.

I relate it way back. I got a I had a Billboard in Times Square last year. And I just I made a post. I said from Tweeter to Times Square. And I really mean that to you. That's like, absolutely. That's like that's what it is. That's hard work, determination. And I really mean that, too. That's like, that's what it is. That's hard work, determination, and I chose to live. You want to live. I want to live. You deserve to be prideful.

Yeah, absolutely. And people are shocked by that. They said, are you sure you said Tweaker? Did you say that? And I was like, I sure damn did. Yeah, absolutely. I got to source it back to my old life. You know, if I had a conversation with my younger self,

I'd be like, listen dude, it's gonna get better if you let it. You know? I love that. So I don't like it when people sometimes be like, if they see you're doing well, they'll be like, oh, it must be nice, whatever. I hate that.

I hate the must be nice people. Passive aggressive kills me. It's like, dude, we have worked so hard. Like you guys, you've worked so hard to get where you're at. And for someone just to tear it all down and be like, oh, it must be nice to do that. They you. They just like you just negated like everything years and years and years No must be nice to be so complacent behind your fucking Whenever phone. Yeah, yeah

Behind your phone just talking shit. Yeah, so james, let's bring it back to you So you are fresh out of high school getting straight into the army Oh my god, did you have any addictions? Did you battle addiction at any at any point in your life or were you just kind of headstrong and just like I'm gonna put my nose to the grind and do this military thing and kick ass? You know the military thing I think it because I went in like you know right after high school and it was like I didn't really have time to get into a bunch of stuff really. Right. You know because I moved out of my mom's

house into my grandparents house I think think my junior year, something like that. And then finished high school out, went in the army. Yeah, dude, I thought the army was great. I don't have any bad like everybody has bad experiences in the right, right. But like I like the army. I thought it was great. I was good for you at the time.

After six years, I decided to get out. I was like, I'm going to get out and be a civilian, make real money. I did not know how big a joke that was going to be. I feel so bad for the people that do serve our country because you guys come home to literally nothing. No help. Nobody fucking like it's just crazy. You guys come back with a shit ton of trauma especially if you go into war and stuff like that like and nobody you guys don't have any tools or Anything in place to like lift you guys up like I just I've always that has never sat right with me

Yeah, you know and The term PTSD gets thrown out a lot and I think a lot of people Probably used the term a little loosely, especially in the veteran community. But it is a real thing. PTSD is real and it is to be taken serious. And there's a serious problem with veterans like committing suicide and all that stuff. And it is really heartbreaking.

It would be nice to have more resources and stuff available For me personally speaking though my personal experiences I've always had good experiences with the VA haven't had any problems like anytime I needed stuff for my prosthetics or anything like that It's been real easy But I do know a lot of people have a lot of issues with it So let's talk about this so you get out of the military a day later, you get into a motorcycle accident. Yeah. So I had a motorcycle before I went in, you know, or not before I went in, but before I went to Italy and it parked at my grandma's house the whole time I was in Italy. I came home. First thing I did jump on my bike, drive it like a mile down the road

and wreck it into a guard rail. You know, it's like. Golly. And you weren't drunk? You were sober? No, no. It was just, you know, I think it's lack of experience with my motorcycle for so long.

You know, just sat in like, you know, dumb kid. You know, doing stuff. And I actually lost it from mid calf, but I had a break all the way up to mid thigh so they had to take it at mid thigh and that was uh rough you know because I got out of the army and then I lost my leg and then I was like what the hell am I gonna do? Right like where are you at mentally right now? I was uh not in a good spot but I didn't really show it you know I tried I tried to, you know, just kind of get through it. And it sounds like you grew up in a household where you weren't allowed to

show emotion. Yes. Oh, you could say that. Yeah. You could say that. Yeah. But, uh, you know, it was like six months before I could get my prosthetic. So cause I also shattered my pelvis and had to get a bunch of, uh, reconstructive surgery for it. And I had got my right hip replaced. So it took a while to get back bunch of reconstructive surgery for it and I got my right hip replaced. So it took a while to get back on it. But once I got in my prosthetic, I was like, I got to do stuff. Because you see too many people, especially in losing a limb, you know, you get real depressed,

you can get addicted to pills really easy, like the pain pills and stuff. And I can when I was recovering, I could feel myself starting to want the oxys and not needing them. Right. You know, so I was like, I got to stop. I got to stop. I'm glad I had the forethought and I didn't get too deep into it. So I don't think I really had a problem with addiction, but I could feel it. Yeah, you know, easy it is to slip into it. So I don't think I really had a problem with addiction, but I can feel it. Yeah, you know, like easy it is to slip into it. So absolutely. I'm glad that you know, my brother was real supportive. My mom was real supportive. My grandparents, everybody was real supportive of me in my recovery. So big shout out to them. And how old were you when you lost

your leg again? were 26 26 42 yeah so it's been a long time since I lost it so if there's new amputees out there I know a lot of new amputees will follow my Instagram and stuff like that don't compare your chapter one to my chapter like 40 you know what I mean like it's yeah yes you got it it takes and that's goes to anybody starting up anything you know or getting through. comparison is the thief of joy, you know, um, so it was really like, important for me to get back going again. And so first year advice of somebody who's going through something traumatic like this losing a limb, what would you what would

your advice be for that first year for them get through the recovery you know get used to wearing your prosthetic it's easy to not want to wear it because it's uncomfortable obviously don't wear it if your limb or whatever is getting injured but you got to expect to be uncomfortable you know so get comfortable being uncomfortable and then you know listen to your doctors or don't. I didn't. You know. Right.

Oh, that's brutal, but so inspiring at the same time to see just how far you've come, you know, just in everything. So let's circle back to Heidi. So you're sober now, baby. Woo! Yeah. Yeah, when I say that, I've said it a lot. Like, I'm sober now. and I do preface it with

I stopped doing all the hard stuff. I used to not know how to just have to enjoy a drink Let's just say that like at dinner. I was like, yeah, the goal was to get blacked out. It was like let's get blacked out We're going to a keg or blacked out. That was like my high school. I'm surprised I graduated I just there's a lot of surprises school. I'm surprised I graduated. There's a lot of surprises there. I'm surprised I'm alive. In fact, woo, I'm alive. Thank, praise God I'm alive. But yeah, I was like, I gotta go.

I gotta go do something. Now that I'm sober, I've got this new lease at life, whatever, and I had always, I'm artistic. I'm left-handed. I've always drew as a kid. My mom's artistic and I was like, I need to do hair. I need to do something. I need to choose a career path.

So I became a barber and then I became a hairstylist and I did that for years and years and years. But all the while I was doing all of that, I was actually modeling too. So there was a lot of things happening at once. Right. Let's just say that I was getting, you know, I'm, I just turned 36. Okay. So I feel like girls in our age group were all hairdressers. I feel like I went to cosmetology while I went and got my nail license.

And I was like a few hundred hours short from getting my, my hair license. But yeah, I feel like we just all did that around this age. Yeah. We're beauty industry girls, right? So when people want to work for the man, exactly. Exactly. And I did. I totally work for the man. I mean, my my barbering school, I went to barbering school in Anchorage, Alaska, and my two barbers had passed rest in peace, but they were amazing. They taught me a lot. Yeah. And I'm still best friends with my

best friend that I went to barbering school with and she's now a master barber in Anchorage and has her own barbershop. Shout out to Kelly. So you were modeling while is it was this Instagram time too? It was, yeah, it was so funny. MySpace. Yeah, like it was MySpace.

I was like, where the fuck is Tom? I miss him. I miss Tom. She was everybody's friend. I love Tom. These Gen Z kids can't relate to him. I miss Tom. It was everybody's friend. I love Tom. These gen Z kids can't relate to us with the MySpace. At all. At all.

You know, remember they get to choose your music on the MySpace page. I feel like this generation is a bunch of titty babies. We were just talking about that. I know, man. You choose, you know, I was like writing all the HTML code from MySpace. I was saying.

I was like, I'm gonna change the background color. I could program the shit. Like, it was crazy. Never took a class on it, but fucking MySpace taught me how to program. Build your website. Yeah. Was it the top eight or was it top four?

Was it top eight? It was top five, top eight, and then top 10 that you can have. Yeah. And this is totally random. That's when I started following Jeffree Star. I love Jeffree. I love Jeffree Star. He's coming on the podcast.

Oh, that's right. Awesome. I cannot wait to listen. Yeah. So it is funny too, on TikTok too, and it's on like Jeffree Star and like, you know, the new kids, they just they don't know they, you know, they don't know. It's forbidden. It is. It's forbidden. But I know. Remember forbidden on Myspace? Oh, yes. Yeah. I was like, that's, let's take it all the way back. Yeah, with the makeup and

the hair. The whole thing. Yeah. I can't believe she passed. That was the whole thing. So when it had come up, I was like, oh my gosh, forbidden. And people, the kids now, they come up I was like, oh my gosh forbidden and people the kids now They don't know they don't know Yes, girl, and yeah, I feel like Jeffrey star and forbidden were like the top my space Yeah, they were like at the top of the whole thing. Yeah, I'm D. Yeah cap on D. I just I respect Then and still and all through this time that Jeffrey's like come up of just like I've just seen him be do do his thing and he started from the bottom and he's just all self-made I just I respect that he's amazing what was your myspace name

oh oh god oh god it was Heidi the hippie I love that what about you what was your myspace name it was just something awesome like James Ramsey. Yeah. Just his name. I love that name. Just so plain. I love that. That was in my super stonery era and I would always play the doors and bumble and all that shit. I love it. So you're modeling.

You're sober. You're California sober. California sober. So they call California sober like people who still drink but just don't do the hard stuff. Right. Yes, the California sober. Exactly.

Oh, and I smoked cigarettes forever. Thank God I quit smoking cigarettes. Me too, I did Newport. Oh yeah, and all I smoked, all I smoked were menthol. So I smoked Newport, I smoked all of them. Cools. Yes, the last though was American Spirit, it was like the heavy menthol. Never got into those, no, they were too natural for me. I just was like as much menthol as possible. But yeah, so like at the same time, so I had moved from all the places and then I eventually got into like the Portland area and I think it was like 21, 22. I was going to hair, I was doing hair.

I was working for the man, I worked at Ulta Regis. I was an assistant, I was a shampoo girl. I was a shampoo girl in New York. There was, I've done everything in a hair salon setting, you can imagine. But while all that was happening, I was getting tattooed and while I was getting tattooed, there was people, was it on Facebook? It was right before Instagram blew up. On Facebook, like these photographers were like, I want to shoot you and I was like, awesome this is crazy. So we started doing all of that and then the more I shot, the more

tattooed I got and then it just quickly escalated into like tattoo magazines hitting me up, tattoo photographers hitting me up, tattoo apparel lines hitting me up, tattoo product lines. There was a big boom for that. Yeah. I think that's why we all ended up getting tatted. Yeah. Because nobody was tatted back then.

Yeah. Now everybody's fucking tatted. I faced the whole thing. I was like, oh, yeah. I was like, I'm going to, I did the whole, what is it, the Solent Angels rock star whatever. Suicide Girls. Oh my gosh. the soul and angels? Yeah, yeah. What is that? Oh, that's that whole fucking? Yeah, I was never a suicide girl. But my

friend Sonny I appreciated. Yeah, totally. Totally. My friend Sonny shoots for them, I think still and she was like, you want to shoot a set and I was like, I did shoot a set but it was never submitted because I was like, No, no, I don't want to. I don't want to. I then and I still now which will it'll circle back to as we like combine forces I Want I want to own my content. I want my own always I don't want to wait for it my content to come back I don't want my content somebody else's hand

I'm controlling it's in It's a good thing. Yeah, it's a good thing. You have to look at it in a good way because you're just covering your ass Period you know what I mean? When you have control, full control of your stuff. You fucking direct how it goes. Exactly. And I never had management. People can twist shit nowadays and make shit look crazy.

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So how did you guys meet? Oh boy. Oh boy. Yeah. Oh boy. Oh boy. Common question. Go ahead. Okay. No, it's a we'll jump back and forth because it It I feel like the answer changes the answer is a little different depending on who's asking. Okay Yeah, I so after I Lost my leg, you know And I was recovering I started working out again and then Facebook, someone tagged me in a post that says, it was a Michael Stokes post. I don't know if you've heard of Michael

Stokes. And he was shooting veterans that had missing limbs for coffee table books. And we're talking like, it was like, but how is the photographer? Would you describe it? It was like, very high end. It end it was like made his models look like sculptures you know just like very just think really jacked hot men really good photography yeah so I was tagged in this post for Michael Stokes. He was shooting. Oh, and naked, and naked.

Veterans. And 90s. Yeah. You got your Clark Bar hanging out in these pictures? Yeah. Listen, they were there, but it's very playful. I love this. It's like high-end.

It's like, I don't wanna say, it's like male boudoir. I don't know how to describe it. It's like male Playboy almost. Basically, yeah. how to describe it. It's like male playboy almost. Yes. Yes, upscale. Love. Very nice. But big coffee table books.

Love that. Someone tagged me in a post and I just wrote, hey, love your work, I love what you're doing. This is awesome because I've never seen anything like that before. So I was surprised when he hit me up and asked me if I wanted to shoot with him because I had lost my leg and I was a veteran, but I didn't lose my leg, you know, overseas.

I lost when I come home. So I was like, like, here's my situation. He's like, yeah, I don't care. You look great. And I just like to shoot you. I was like, sure. Yeah, that'd be great. He's like, sweet. I'll fly to L.A. I was like, oh, my God. Because I've never done anything like that before, right? So I was talking to my friend Ryder and she was like,

hey, you should shoot with my friend who's a photographer. I just kind of get your foot wet. Oh, your one foot. My one foot. Do do do. So I was like, yeah, that'd be great. So I messaged this person and they messaged me back and they were like, how would you feel about shooting with another model?

Heidi Levan. I was like, well, because I had known about Heidi in Portland, because she's kind of Portland famous at the time. You know, Portland famous. I love that. I need a hat that says Portland. Portland famous. So I'd seen it like on Facebook or Instagram or whatever. And I was like, I mean, yeah, sure, whatever. And it was kind of insinuated that was going to be kind of like a sexy shoot.

Yeah. So I messaged Heidi. I was like, hey, would you like to like meet up first to kind of like, I've never shot before. Rico Suave. Would you like to like meet up first because I don't know what the hell I'm doing. And I don't want to just show up on site and be like, now we're shooting sex. Did you do that because you were really nervous

or did you just want to feel her energy before you shot with her? I was nervous. Well, probably both, probably both. Well, and I wanted to see, you know, cause you don't know, you know, right. You don't know. So, and I had no idea about anything.

This was, how long ago was this? This was eight, nine years ago. Nine. Yeah. So I was just like, yeah, we've been together almost almost a decade. Yeah. Yeah. That's wild. But yeah, so I was like, yeah, sure. Mrs. Heidi, she's like, yeah, that sounds great. So we met up. And then what were your first impressions? I. So I got there late. She there no no no started in the messenger

He sent me a message and I was like oh and I like opened it up and of course his profile She's rubbing her titties right now for anybody who's not watching this she's getting all hot and bothered over here already James is blushing and her nipples are hard. Perfect. It has nothing to do with me. I admit it was 100% lust at first sight, 100, 100, I admit it. How can I not? No, he's handsome, very handsome.

Very, very. But he looked so- You guys are a hot couple. Oh, thanks, girl. Yeah, totally. Thanks, girl. Thanks, girl. But no, James was never my type. He had this huge beard.

Isn't that crazy? Giant beard. And long, crazy hair. Long? I can't imagine that. Long and curly. He's like a lion's mane, dude. Like a lion's mane, like this long, super texture.

He's got like, course curly, you know, course curly hair. It was like down to here, probably. What look were we going for, Fabio? I was in a band. No, he was in a metal band. Yeah, we love metal. I just wanted a long hair so I could hair whip. Yeah.

So his profile photo was like him sweaty on stage like ripping a guitar and it was like, ugh. And I was like, ugh, just like that. And this was after the accident happened that you were. Years and years later. I love that for you that you just kind of fucking took this and was like, you know what, know just kind of fucking took this and was like you know what I'm not gonna let this define me. Oh dude it gets better I

do jiu-jitsu. Oh yeah. I can run I can shoot and run. Yeah it's a whole thing. Wow. It's a complete package. It's a complete package. I love that. I'm protected. I am protected. Yeah. But no he hit me up and I was just like I like clicked his photo and I was looking through it I was like this is not my traditional man, but he was so fine and I was like, how could I not? So we met each other at this little pub. Oh my gosh, what is it called? Oh, putters.

Is this in Vegas? No, this is in Portland. Wow, I didn't know you guys had putters in Portland too. Is there one in Vegas? Yep, there is. It's like this dive bar, it's like a dive bar. They're kind of shitty, yeah. Yeah, dive bar. It's like a dive. Yeah, it's a little dive. They're kind of shitty. Yeah. Yeah. Totally shitty. It was like iceberg lettuce salads. Yeah,

man. With a cockroach on the side. There's a thousand island. Yeah. So he showed up. Extra pickle. And I the first thing I noticed was he was tall. He's very handsome. Um very nervous and awkward. Oh, kind of like what I'm like right now. He's like my butt cheeks are clenched together right now. He's like, I'm getting my Kegels in. No, I could totally see how, you know, yeah, for sure. And we sat down and I was like, would you like to share a salad? Yeah. Took my jacket off. And it was all over from there. He took his jacket off and his arms came forward on the table and I was like I'm so glad I shaved my legs. She's like I shaved my vagina for this.

I did I totally admit it. It was all downhill from there. And it was that was it and then we did really get around to the photo. There's one photo from that shoot and that's buried somewhere on my Instagram. I'm not even in it. I'm not even in the photo. She like oiled me up for it and then that was it. It was over man.

And then we went back to my house. Yeah. So it was pretty much like love at first sight. Yes lust plus love. She basically didn't leave after that. For like three days. Yeah. I love that.

That's the story, man. That's like amazing though, because that's how my husband and I were too. Like as soon as we got together, he was not my type, I'm not his type, and literally we just fucking. How did you guys even meet? Where? Well, this is your guys' podcast, but.

But I don't know the story. Oh, stop short my ex was in the music industry also before he went to prison we went to I love felons we went to My ex was also in a band he was a roadie for shiny toy guns yeah and then he passed away from an overdose. That is who I went from New York to. Yeah. It was a whole thing. God rest his soul. I love his family. But you know.

It's unfortunate. He left too soon. Yeah. He was a mate. He really was. He treated me great. But life led me in this direction. And now you got a James.

Now I have a James. But I met him whenever he was performing to like 20 people. He was opening up for the Moonshine Band. It's at Las Vegas Country Club. And when I met him, he was performing to like 20 people. He was opening up for the moonshine band. It's at Las Vegas Country Club. And when I met him, I just like I tell everybody I fell in love with the saddest eyes in the room. There was just something about him that like my soul recognized him. And it took a year later.

My ex ended up going to prison. And then Jay and I kind of started sniffing around each other. And then like he would call me all the time and I would like get out of bed with my cabana boys like to answer his calls. I'd have a dude in the bedroom. But yeah. And then he came and I tried to rape him one night and he wanted a five year plan. I gave him a five year plan. Okay. We finished that five year plan last year. Well, that's

the year before. So happy for you guys. So nice so nice when you see people come from nothing and then just overcome all the bullshit and they're just, you know, they're doing so well. And you rep it, and you rep that shit. Oh, you have to. I got to, man, because people just, they just. Well, we live in a world where everybody tries

to expose everybody. So it's like, you can't expose what I've already told you. Exactly. And the only reason you know anything about me is because I was so gangster, you can't find anything about me on the internet like that. I did the same thing. So I had two DUIs. After I've had those two DUIs I was afraid that my mugshot would just circulate and I was like, wear it on a t-shirt. True, could, but instead I took the power back and I just

posted it. I was like, I posted myselfers I was like, you have to, you know, you just have to. We just live in a time where people just think that they can out you at any time. That's like, no, sorry, I've already done that. It's old news. Yeah, I got there first. I'm proud of you guys also. So, OK, so you guys did this first photo shoot. Take me on the journey from there. See, so we hung out for a few days and then I had to go to L.A.

for my photo shoot and I came back and then we just never left each other's side after that. We never left each other. I admit that I was like fighting so hard to be like, I don't need a man. Yeah. I don't need a man. I'm strong and independent. She'd come and bring me around her friends and her friends were like, listen, if you don't like that. If you don't jump that, I'm going to jump that. And I was like, well, that's not going to happen. They were like salivating. Ah, vultures. Yeah, they were vulturesating. I was like, I

can't have that. I didn't live in Portland either. Portland's real small. Yeah. So like, you live down the country. I got myself a country boy. Yeah, like, everybody in Portland knows everybody. So me not living in Portland, I didn't know. It's very attractive. It's very attractive for me. Yeah, he was like, he was like untouched earth. Yeah. No, I had to I had to fucking get me a Nashville boy outside of Vegas.

So I totally know what that's like. So moving on, you guys have built this empire together. Take me on this journey. Like what, where do we start? I gotta say, sorry, I don't wanna take over, but I gotta say, going on, when we first got together, I wouldn't shoot with her all the time, as another model with her,

I would just go with her to her photo shoots while she would shoot. I'd help her with anything she needed or whatever. And I remember going to these photo shoots and these photographers taking like 900 or 4,000 photos. I can't do that. Six months later, we'd get like three photos back. Yeah. And they weren't even edited well, most of the time. I can't do that. Six months later, we get like three photos back. Yeah.

And they weren't even edited well, you know, most of the time. Yeah, no, no, no. When you're super tattooed, I'm gonna say this, photographers will tend to bump up the clarification. To try to make the color pop. Yeah, to do this, but then they don't, they're not retouch, they don't know how to do beauty retouching on the face.

So then it would also pull my lines and things out and I'm like And you're beautiful. No, you're gorgeous I appreciate that you don't listen you need to learn how to accept You are you're gorgeous and you're stunning so and I know how that is we went through the same thing with the fucking that's why We do everything exactly you exactly have your own team ever and that's the thing is James was like fuck this And so I think I took a whole paycheck that I had yeah crap job. Yeah, it was like $1,500 My whole month's worth of paycheck. I was like we just bought a camera and we started doing our own photography

And I taught myself Lightroom Photoshop Exporting importing all that stuff. Yeah. And then we just did it all together. And then it just was easier. We had all the content. We were in control. Then we were able to build more, shoot more, have more content. And then it just reached more people than people reaching us.

And it just blossomed into this. Like when we first got together, I was living in my mom's house. You know, I was like. Oh, and I was living in a garage apartment. Yeah. Yeah. It was like this. My best friend had got me this garage. Shout out to Tiffany. I love you. You're the best. You're the best. It might still my best friend. We worked, I think, at four different salons together and she found me an apartment.

She has found me all kinds of things. You know, you know, those just besties that just they're like, they're like your sister, your family, you know, and two of them. kinds of things. You know, you know those just besties that just, they're like your sister, your family, you know? I got two of them right there. Yes, yes, girl. Shout out to y'all, okay? And yeah, I was living in this garage apartment. Yeah, dude, I was living in my mom's house.

Yeah. And this is while you guys were together? Yeah. We just started. Just about. Okay. Like hanging out, like seriously, seriously. Early on, you were like, I'm going to take control of this.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. After I went to a few photo shoots with her. And, you know, sometimes, especially before it got to the point it is now where everybody just kind of does like photography, I feel like photographers are kind of like almost not a thing of the past, but you don't really need photographers no more. You know what I mean? Cause like before you'd need a photographer

that had hookups with like magazines and stuff like that. So you could get on a good cover, do whatever. But now like social media is just so big. Magazines themselves, physical copies are not even really important that much anymore. So I think that, yeah. I remember going to a few photo shoots with her. I was just like, this is lame.

How long have you been doing this? She's like, I've been doing this for years. And I was like, has it been like this the whole time? She's like, basically. The goals were goals, and then the goals shifted into other goals. Like, people knew slash know me from Instagram as like a tattoo industry model.

So I was like, just tattoo industry model, and I was like doing all the tattoo shows, and I was traveling and working for all these brands and magazines and blah, blah, blah, like, tattoo industry model. And I was like doing all the tattoo shows. I was traveling and working for all these brands and magazines and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And so like my goal back then, like in my young 20s, I was like, I want to get on as many tattoo covers as possible. That was just like the thing. I don't know. That's what all the tattoo models wanted. You know,

but I was like Queen Esther and like you and like, yeah, there was a few other girls that were like, no, tattoo magazines. Yeah. And then and then it's but I don't just want that. Like I wanted to do, I wanna do everything. You know what I mean? I feel like that's kind of how we all have gotten. You don't have to evolve. You have to evolve.

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know a lot of people are like, how does your husband feel about you being naked on the internet? I get that all the time too. Like how do you let your girl do that? I don't let her do anything. I don't control her. Yeah, I say exactly. And I'm like, I do what I want. I always have and I always will. But isn't it nice to have somebody that believes in you? And supports. Yeah.

Supports. My husband is the same way. He is like, baby, go. It's a security thing. If the man himself is secure with themselves, he doesn't need no reason. There is no reason to fear. Because he knows me.

He gets model in day and crackhead by night and the crackhead bun in the glass. I look like a vagabond all the time. Yeah, the moomo. Yeah, the moomo. So that's literally what it is. I hate wearing makeup. Yeah.

I didn't even put lashes on right now, believe it or not. You don't need it. I have a little dead shark eyes. What's your ethnicity? What's your ethnicity? Oh, I just found out last year that I am Russian and Ukrainian. I can see the Russian.

I knew I was Jewish. My mom's always been like, don't forget you're Jewish. I was like, okay, mom. But she was like, yeah, I was like, okay. But I don't know, I don't know why. But I knew I had a little bit of, or I knew I was Polish, so I'm super Slavic. I love that. I'm super-

I can see that though, you're very Viking-ish. Thank you. Yeah, I love that. I got that strong nose, I got very Viking ish. Thank you. Yeah But you know what you're tiny your presence online like when she walked in the first thing she said to me was you're so tall And I'm like everybody says that Yeah, no, I thought you were gonna be as tall like taller than what is your height I'm five six five five five But I'm five seven If she's five there's no way I'm five. I think you're about five four. That's crazy. If she's five six. There's no way I'm five. You've probably I think you're about five four. There's no no.

We're not, dude. No, I'm fine. Last time I know my doctor, I literally met the doctor. I have a half. But I always say five six because I'm not going to say her and say five. Oh, yeah. I can't measure when we go home. Yeah, well, I'm doing it.

I'm curious because you're when she walked in, I was like, oh, my God. She's like, because you have this huge you all your ass. Bless your heart. So if you guys don't follow Heidi, you need to, because she's got pretty much the most famous ass on. Literally. So let's talk about Tik Tok. How has this like changed? You have like 11 million over there. No, not quite. But what is it? Okay, we're in the tens. I mean you're almost 11. Yeah. Um, I'm just gonna say like

Yeah, I'm gonna say our lives or no shout out to anyone who has ever Followed me not just on tik-tok but long There are OGs from all the way back from the Facebook to the MySpace, to the Facebook, to the Instagram, to the TikTok, but shout out to just anybody who's ever followed me, supported me, left comments, left love, like I wouldn't be here without you, I mean, I would be somewhere.

I would be somewhere, but like support is everything. So I just, I just like, what can you say? It's like, there's not enough I could say at how grateful I am. The gratitude, the So I just, I just like, what can you say? It's like, there's not enough I could say it. How grateful I'm the gratitude, the older I get, the gratitude is just like, I'm sure that translates over into only fans too. It does. Yeah. It really does. Thank you.

When that first video she had on TikTok went viral, we were going to Colorado. Dude, I was at my family cabin in the mountains in Colorado and we were just like hanging out, doing family stuff. And I had just, I was just just I had like ratty braids I took out and no makeup and I put my glasses on. We were in a hotel room. Yeah we were in that little lodge thing or whatever and everything was going fine regardless like like you know modeling and OnlyFans everything was like totally great and

awesome but I had just it was right before the the the slow pan. Yeah, that slow pan effect, y'all on TikTok. That came out. They love you. Yeah, but you have to do it in post-production. So I've already been I love post-production. I love Photoshop. Like, you know, you're amazing. You guys are amazing at what you guys do.

Like all the like the editing and stuff like that is phenomenal. I geek out on that man. And I'm a little controlling, I admit. But but no, I had just posted that video man. And I'm a little controlling, I admit. But no, I had just posted that video, and I threw it. It's the inner crackhead in us. We like to zero in on things. It's like fine details.

Yeah, the fine details. No, I just threw it up, and then I just closed my phone. I just closed my phone, and like two hours later, it was like 5 million likes, not views. It was like, it likes. And I was like, what is going on here? And I was like, what's going on here? What's happening? You know, and then it just... Dude, and then everything started just...

Everything was like, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. Crazy after that. It's like a fucking slot machine. I tell everybody that TikTok is kind of like gambling and you get addicted to not even the clout. The surprise. Because that's not what it is. You get addicted to the numbers because you just like to watch them grow. And that's like what it is whenever you're gambling. You hit those sevens, boy, and that adrenaline rush. You get addicted to the numbers because you just like to watch them grow and that's like what it is Whenever you're gambling you hit those sevens boy, and I do it again

Yeah, like you're just constantly chasing this high But I mean you guys are fucking crushing it and I'm really like so excited to see all the shit You guys are doing over there likewise. I mean come on look at you What are you guys gonna do while you're out here in Nashville? Well, eat. Eat, yeah. Have you guys tried hot chicken yet?

No, but I saw your text. I actually referred back to the text and I looked at the dinner, was it, what is the word? The suggestions, I'm like, what's the word? I looked at the dinner suggestions. I looked at them. They were either full,

I think they were just like full because yesterday was wild. Yeah. Yeah, but I was not expecting that at all. Next to where we were at there was some like Latino concert party thing. Oh yeah. It was like, yeah. It was like, yeah well we asked the guy what's going on with that. It's like some Latino thing. I was like okay cool. Like a festival. There was like tractors driving down the street. It was it. It's like some Latino thing. I was like, okay cool Like a festival tractors driving down the street I love awesome big John Deere tractors. I was like that's a way that I bring you out here I think he said a game but oh and maybe a game or something

I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. But uh, are you guys gonna go down on Broadway tonight? Oh, I don't know I mean wherever the food is. I mean, yeah Listen, I don't care about partying. I want food Not a big party guy. No, I mean, I'm sorry, y'all, but I just like sports, unless it's like, you know, martial arts or boxing. Yeah. You know, James too. We're like, his mom is like huge football like, wow, you know, and it's just. We're in an MMA household too. Yeah. We

love like UFC. It's great. It's fun. It's exciting, I think that's like, it's just where it's at, man, I don't know. I don't know, but as far as in Nashville, what are we gonna do? Probably eat, we leave early tomorrow. I mean, unless we stay, but. You guys should stay because Jay would love to meet you. I'm gonna try to talk Heidi into it.

You talk her into it. I know she's a type A. I'm a psycho planner. No, I know she's type A. And I get it. I totally understand. Listen, if we do, we do. If we don't, we don't. But if we don't, this will be happening again.

This is we're doing. Yeah, we're going to make it through Phoenix. We're coming to AZ. Come to Phoenix. Can you check the dates really quick and see whenever we're going to go through? Phoenix is the fifth largest city in the US. So if you're going to hit Arizona,

you want to hit Phoenix. Yeah, yeah. The tour's already. Well, I know. We you wanna hit Phoenix. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The tour's already. Well, I know. We'll run a tour. Listen, I will always. Hunter, Hunter, you better fucking tour us through Phoenix. Where's Jelly?

I need to talk to him about his tour schedule. So I'll. 7-16, we're in Phoenix. 7-16, September. Yeah, I'll always jack up people to come to Phoenix. I'm like, yo, dude, no humidity. It's hot as fuck now. The Mexican food is amazing.

You said the what? It's been 100 over. Oh yeah, but people are pressed. It's dry, there's no humidity. It's hot. The Mexican food is amazing. You said the what? It's been 100 over. Oh, yeah, but people are pressed. Bro, it's dry. There's no humidity. Central Air in a pool. What's up? Well, I grew up in Vegas. I get it. Well, then you get it. But this shit's fucking hot as shit. It does get hot out there. So what do you guys have planned for the future? We're actually talking about getting some Airbnbs or something, you know, or branching out a little bit more.

Yeah. Just to have some more like, I want to tangible assets instead of fun passive thing to do. You know, or branching out a little bit more. Just to have some more like, tangible assets. Cool, fun, passive thing to do. You know, think an Airbnb, having a, you know, like an Airbnb would be cool. I don't know, I mean, everything and anything, I guess you could say is the right answer. I started putting some merch out. I'd like to put out more merch.

You know, I just, I just, I, sometimes you just have to. Continue what we're doing and branch out. Never jump off a winning horse. That's what I always say. And you guys just bought a house in Arizona, dude. Like so, and you got fucking horses. Well, for the neighbors. The neighbors got horses right behind you.

They're yours. They're the best of both worlds. I don't care, they're yours. I don't have to take care of that. Exactly. They're your horses. They're yours. If they were my neighbors, I'd be like, these are mine.

I only have to feed them every now and then. Clydesdale horses. And the neighbors take care of them. Exactly, and they're so sweet. There's this big, I'd be like, these are mine. I only have to feed them every now and then and the neighbors take care of them. Exactly, and they're so sweet. There's this big, there's this one, I mean, they all come over, but there's one that comes over and he's got a big white face and he always pushes all the horses out of the way to get to me and he's like, ah, maybe he's really sweet.

I haven't named him yet. He loves you, he chose you. He chose me, he chose me. And then, honestly, it's like we, up until when we met till this, we had all these goals and we crushed all these goals. And I'm like, oh my gosh. Every goal that we set out.

We've just been crushing it. To accomplish together, since we got together, like we wanna, you know, I wanted to move out of my mom's house because you know, living with your parents sucks when you're in your 30s. But you know, I fucking. I wanted to make, I was like,

I simply just wanna make five grand a month. Yeah, I remember. Oh, that's obviously so fast. Can I please just make enough money to pay my bills want to make five grand a month. Yeah I remember I Please just make enough money to pay my student loans. I want to pay off my debt. I credit what when I say credit card That's kind of a form of manifesting what you totally a thousand percent Yeah, and what I pay off his student loans and I don't know just like I want to just take care of the responsibility stuff Yeah, pretty much have done on my pool. I'm Almost done. I got to choose all this. I can't wait to see that content.

It's gonna be awesome. It's gonna be awesome. I always say the telltale sign of a healthy relationship is how much you guys grow together. And you guys have grown so much and just accomplished so much. I mean, you guys have been together for fucking 10 years. That's an accomplishment. And it's a long time. It makes me feel like not old, but like, damn, yeah, dude, I was her age. I was younger than she is now when we met. Yeah. And I was just like, Wow, I can't believe

it's been Oh, and I always refer back to remember when you had that chocolate rich chocolate brown hair and now it's not straight. Remember when it was rich chocolate. So like, luscious charcoal silvery sparkly hair. You know what, Jay's getting like grays in his beard and it's hot. It's so hot.

I never thought I would think it was hot because I like younger dudes. Obviously, Jay's five years younger than me, but. How old are you? I'm 43. That's not even believable. Oh, so we're like the same age. That's not even believable for me.

I love you. No, I think you told me, I don't know, last year and I was like, no, no, no. The internet fights with me when I tell them they think I'm lying. And I'm like, motherfucker, I would pick any other, I mean, I love being 43, don't get me wrong. I love being the woman that I am, but I would pick like, you know, 36.

I would, if I was gonna lie. I've said like my body stay in the thirties forever. Yes. And then my mentality, I wish I my body stay in the thirties forever. Yes. Then my mentality, I wish I had the mentality that I have now in my twenties. We would have been fucking bosses. Completely different. But the wisdom.

Yes, but fighting through all of that, we wouldn't be here either. We wouldn't appreciate it as much. So I think that's the gratitude is just where it shines in in my older age quote unquote. You know what I mean? I love it. I love the listen.

Well, I wouldn't change anything. Even though this is a huge thing and all the things that we've been through together, I wouldn't change anything because we wouldn't be where we are now. We wouldn't be who we are. It just brings you so much closer together. I love that.

It's been a hell of a ride, but I'm excited for the next 10, you know, and the 10 after that. Are you guys married or no marriage? Yeah, I mean, not yet. Jay made me get married or I would have never got married either. He was like, but you're gonna marry me? Locking that down.

Listen, we're so like low key on that. Years ago, people were like, are you gonna get married? I was like, let's get our house first. We have the house and we're like, what? Let's get our cars paid off. Let's get this done. We are engaged and like, you're going to get married. I was like, let's get our house first. We have the house. And we're like, what? Let's get our cars paid off. Let's get this done. Let's get this done. We are engaged.

And that's good enough for me. And I feel like, especially in the now, it's just a piece of paper. But I will say the responsible part of me is, if something happened medically, that kind of stuff. Yeah, I would need that. We'll figure it out. Which heaven forbid, that will not happen. Yeah. That kind of stuff. Yeah, I would need that. We'll figure it out. Which heaven forbid that will not happen.

Yeah, we'll get there. Not again. He said not again. Thank you guys so much for coming on the podcast. Why don't you guys shout out your socials where everybody can find you if they don't follow you guys already. I was like, you go first.

Thanks so much for having me, seriously. You're an angel. Dude, I can't wait to see you again. I can't wait to see you again. You guys both come back anytime. Bless your heart. Thank you so much. I'm Heidi Levon on every platform. H E I D I L O V O N literally just everywhere. There's no different spelling. So if you can say it with a French accent, it's this, Oh, Heidi Levon. this Oh Heidi LeVaughn. Heidi LeVaughn. I don't know if that was French. Is that French? I don't know. Yeah or HeidiLevaughn.com HeidiLevaughnMerge.com. Heidi LeVaughn. I don't know. Where's your only fans Heidi LeVaughn? Heidi LeVaughn. Okay. Babam yeah. James do you have your own only fans? I do. Nice. So I can you know shoot stuff with her or whatever. But same James M. Ramsey or on Instagram is James underscore M underscore Ramsey

or James Marshall Ramsey dot com dot com. And that'll take you to all of the stuff. I love that. Again, thank you guys so much for coming on. And I cannot wait to see what the next 10 years brings you guys. But I need you guys to come back like once a year and give me an update. OK, OK. Of course. Promise. Yes, I promise. All right. Awesome.

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