Dumb Blonde - TBT: Melanie Martin

Episode Date: June 26, 2025

Bunnie sits down for a raw and emotional conversation with Melanie Martin, also known as Aaron Carter's ex-fiance, with whom she shares her son Prince. Melanie opens up about how she and Aaron first connected on social media back in 2019 and the whirlwind start to their romance before Aaron's mental health and addiction issues started escalating over time.Melanie recounts the events leading up to Aaron's untimely and tragic death and gets real about the addiction demons Aaron was battling both behind the scenes and on screen. Melanie also talks about her grief process and determination to honor Aaron's memory while focusing on co-parenting their son.Watch Full Episodes & More:www.dumbblondeunrated.comMelanie Martin: IG | Love Beauty OfficialSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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go over to our Patreon www.dumblondunrated.com. Love ya. host the podcast Dun Blonde. Most little girls grow up wanting to be doctors and lawyers and shit and I was like, I want to be super hot, make a lot of fucking money and be a rock star's wife. That was my goal as a child and here we are. What's up you sexy motherfuckers. Welcome to another episode of Dun Blonde. Today we have Melanie Martin in the house and I am so excited to sit down with her and hear her story. I don't know if you guys know who she is or not, but you will by the end of this podcast. How are you doing, baby?

Good. How are you? I'm doing so good. Thank you for coming. Thank you for having me. Of course girl. You've been through some shit, man Yeah a lot like I just want to hug you. It's been I was doing a lot of research last night and the shit that I you know saw and like the things I read and just heard you speak about like I'm so happy that I'm able to give you a place where everybody can come and just listen to you tell your side of the story because I really feel like that's what's fair. So let's get into it. Also I just wanted to throw in there that we are in LA so if you guys are looking around and you're like what is this studio? This is a studio that we are recording out of NLA and it's from third wheel podcasts. So shout out to them for squeezing us in and

letting us shoot the podcast here. So anyways, Melanie, where did you grow up? I grew up in Orange County, but I originally am from Europe. So I came from Bulgaria and me and my mom came here. That explains your exotic look, because you're so pretty. That really explains like your features and everything. Thank you. So how old were you whenever you came here?

Six. So kindergarten, like I started kindergarten. Okay, gotcha. How was your relationship with your parents? My mom remarried and then she's still married to my stepdad yeah so we came here and we've lived here ever since so and then and you grew up in LA Orange County oh and I've never lived anywhere else just Orange County yeah so I lived in Lancaster with Erin but tell me the difference between LA and Orange County because I saw

you corrected me on that I mean it's one is by the beach and it's more family oriented. It was a lot more. Yeah, it's just a lot more family oriented. Tell me about growing up in Orange County. What was that like for you? I'd say it was very, you know, I was safe, had good people around me, you know, never I stayed out of trouble. Yeah. So she's like, I was a good girl. I was a, had good people around me. I stayed out of trouble. Yeah.

She's like, I was a good girl. I was a good girl. All of us good girls grow up to be naughty. So growing up in Orange County and just kind of living this lifestyle, you grew up pretty much around. Because I grew up in Vegas. So we grew up around celebrities. It was like nothing to us to

Grow up and you know go to the grocery store and see a celebrity at the grocery store and stuff like that Do you feel like? Your life kind of like your trajectory for your life was already set just by living in Orange County like you know dating Celebrities and stuff and so forth yeah, so I mean I've only had two boyfriends in my life and I'm 36 so it was just yeah so I've only had two Wow it was Aaron and my ex so yeah oh my god that's crazy nobody would ever suspect that because I was the complete opposite I was a hoochie mama she's like I've had two boyfriends I've like I've had two at a time so Okay, so you are growing up in Orange County, and what do you do once you graduate high school?

Um I just worked I did cosmetic like I worked at like Nordstrom like cosmetics I remember I worked for Chanel makeup artists did those waitress saying bartending Yeah, all of that so I did that kind of for a while, I mean just right after high school. So you started bartending as soon as you got out of high school. And I did go to, I went to a community college and then I have a beauty license and I just was in the cosmetic industry. Oh awesome, so did you go to school for hair or just cosmetology? Cosmetology, yeah. I think we all did in that era. I did too, I didn't finish. Did you go to school to like for hair or just cosmetology? Cosmetology. Okay.

I think we all did in that era. Yeah. I did too. I went. I didn't finish. I just kind of stick with that and you know I want to continue doing that. My mom has a salon so. Okay gotcha.

It's the same. So keep it in the family. Yeah. Stuff like that. So when you know you are bartending and stuff like that. What were you doing before you got into your relationship with Aaron? So I was focusing just on me, you know, my goals, and I was just bartending, you know,

full time modeling jobs, never really looking for love, kind of in that same like groundhog's day, kind of sad, but also like, you know, keeping myself busy. I was looking for someone that wanted me equally as much as I wanted him. You had standards. I had standards, thank you. You were like, listen, you wanna fuck with this?

You gotta rise to the occasion. So you were just single, living your life, and then how long did, until you met Aaron after? I met Aaron a couple days after Christmas 2019. Okay. And then till 2022. So, so- On and off. Where did you meet Aaron at?

At his home in Lancaster. Oh, OK. So how did you guys even? From social media. OK. Out of nowhere, I saw something of him, and he was being really sensitive. And I saw something in his eyes that connected me with him.

And he was saying, I'm just looking for my wife to live my future with. And he was cooking a a, like, you know, cooking a barbecue or something like that. I just saw him say that one thing, you know, attracted me to him because I saw that he was looking for something and I was looking for that, you know? So I really didn't think he would reply, but he did.

So. So you slid in his DM. I did, yeah. You were like, what's up, baby? What do you say to Aaron Carter when he's slid in his DM. I did, yeah. You were like, what's up, baby? What do you say to Aaron Carter when he's sliding his DM? I'm your wifey. Here's your wifey. I don't know why it's gone now.

I wish I had it. But it's gone. I think I have a screenshot somewhere. But I said, your dog is literally so cute. I said, this is my dog, kind of thing. And then we connected with that. It's so innocent. I know, it was really, yeah.

I love that. Yeah. So he replies back and what does he say? It was really fast. He said, you know, I would love to meet you. First we spoke over the phone, like a couple hours. So he wanted to really get to know me. And at first I was like, oh wow, this is really fast,

you know? So then I gave him a chance, drove to him, only, it was like two hours from my house. So, and then we were in separate places. It was like love at first sight when he opens the door and you guys see each other. Yeah, he recorded me on his YouTube. I didn't even, I wasn't aware that he went online

so much to be honest, because it happened so fast. It was like, you know, phone call, then come over. Did you know who he was before? Yeah, I knew, but I didn't see everything that was, I didn't follow him for too long. I only followed him that instant when I saw that video of him. So I didn't look up anything about him.

Right, gotcha. So you didn't know like the backstory? No, I didn't know his backstory, his family. It was kind of, you know, based off of the 2000s. Right. That's about it. Gotcha. So, so he opens the door. Yeah, and he was filming and I guess I saw the video later, because they uploaded it somewhere on YouTube. And he said, this is going to be my wife. So he said, is she the one then he was like telling everybody in the camera. So I don't know Oh, and so take me on this journey with Aaron because it starts out so sweet and yeah, so Loving and then it just seems like as time went on like was he's using whatever you guys first met

So I don't believe he was abusing his Medications because he had a psychiatrist. I think he was being regulated when I first met him He was still on medication, but it wasn't to the level of what it was in 2021 2022 and we can kind of get into there. I'm not really supposed to speak about his medications, unfortunately, because there is an active case going on. Oh, OK.

Gotcha. But I just want to let you know there was a change with when he changed doctors with his medications and the levels of medications he was taking. I feel like doctors really just do not care about their patients, some of them. In this case, it seems like, you know, I just feel like doctors, because of people's statuses,

will give them anything they want, like if they ask for it or whatever. And I know you can't speak on it, but that's just my opinion that I'm, Yeah, I like your opinion. Michael Jackson, like look at what happened with him and like there's so many celebrities that end up like overdosing or doing things you know on these medications that they're prescribed but for some reason it's like

the doctors are just never getting blamed I've been watching a lot of shows about it on Netflix about that so I've been keeping up like trying to do research on it a little bit. Okay, so when you guys first got together, you don't feel like he was abusing drugs or anything. What was the relationship like? So it was really, I mean, it was 2020 was the first couple of months, obviously, you know, people always say, you know, the first couple of months, obviously people always say the first couple of months are always the best.

It's like the love state. But it really was and we would get back to that level, but I would have to say that there was a lot of people involved, we can get into that more, that made it nearly impossible to get back. When you say there was a lot of people involved, do you mean like? His friends, none of my friends are really involved.

I kind of lost a lot of friends, but they were still there, but they understood what was going on, and that Melanie's growing up, she's getting relationship, she's getting pregnant. She's busy with her job at home, you know, the clothing company Yeah, so it was like a different like, you know, I was stay-at-home mom for a little bit Yeah, well, we're gonna well rewind though. Yeah about when you got pregnant and stuff like that

So I got first and the first you know few phases of your relationship. Was it his camp around you guys? No, actually I want to get into that when I first met him It was just him and the dog and his one dog. He only No, actually, I want to get into that. When I first met him, it was just him and his one dog. He only had one dog. I had one dog. And he was going online, but I didn't see him arguing as much with people compared to later on. He cared more about the comments and stuff.

Do you think it's because he was more on medication? Well yeah I think the medication just added to his paranoia and I'll get into it he he was very paranoid all the time he didn't know who to trust. Even in the beginning? No it wasn't until I'd say like maybe two months into the relationship that's when I noticed it more and that's when we had our first fight it was pretty bad. Was he ever diagnosed with any mental illness of some sort? So no, he was never diagnosed with anything,

but he's had psychiatrists. And when I was in the relationship, I did not see one psychiatrist come to him, but they were prescribing him all these medications, but they never actually physically saw him. I never saw a doctor come into our home or him go to an office what he do like FaceTimes with them barely well these people were just pretty much prescribing medications just over the phone because it was who he was I believe in that what you're saying. Yeah. Allegedly. Allegedly.

Allegedly. When you guys got into your first argument, what was it about and how did that go? So I'll remember, you know, the beginning we were going to dinners, not, you know, staying home because it was before COVID. It was during COVID time. So I quit my job within bartending

because it was too far away. And he was like, I just want you to stay home, work on the clothing company. And then so he he gave you that clothing company yeah he did what is the name of oh what is the name of that clothing company our clothing company was the love collection and he specifically made that clothing line for you to be able to work at home yes okay I did bartending I did read some people were like you know she took that from him or you know yeah yeah they they don't like and but then I have a lot of supportive fans too

absolutely for sure but I we just want to clear the area that that clothing line was specifically made because Aaron did not like you working yes and he wanted me to stay at home with him. Right. Gotcha. Which I didn't see that as like a red flag. You know, I'm just thinking, Oh my gosh, she wants to be with me all the time until later on. Yeah. Well, and it's hard for anybody who's in that situation because when you're first in a relationship with somebody, you want to be next to that person. Yeah, I was happy that I didn't have to work, honestly. Yeah.

At the bar, I got to stay at home with him and help him get his taxes in order, help him. But I tried. I kind of got thrown into years of mismanagement from all of his people on and off. And that was a job in itself, trying to fix everything. Like you just got thrown into a frying pan. Literally. So let's circle thrown into a frying pan. Literally.

So let's circle back to this first argument. I'll remember the first argument was about a hairdresser because he saw old messages of him being kind of flirty with me and so he's like, oh she's cheating on me and he would say it publicly. It was an old message from five years ago. It wasn't even flirting, it was just like, you're beautiful

I'd love that picture of you or something like that of that sort and he throws it, you know And I'm like I've never fought with anyone like this before it was just It was like zero to a hundred. Yeah, and and I remember, you know, he made a whole scene about it and posting online saying she's this and that and Yeah, what was that? Like how did that make you feel whenever he did take that first argument? about it and posting online saying she's this and that. And yeah, what was that like? How did that make you feel whenever he did take that first argument? It was like, I feel like I didn't even I thought it was

completely over after I left. I didn't then you know, then I realized it was a pattern that he would just find a reason for us to argue every couple of weeks. Because he was caught on to the chaos. Yes, that's what I'm happy. I don't think he was used to just it being, you know, happy, lovey-dovey all the time from his family life. I think he was just so used to the chaos, unfortunately.

Did he ever talk to you about like how he grew up in chaos? Yeah. And I didn't, I feel like I didn't, I feel like I couldn't read him exactly and I didn't know if he was just saying that and I wish I took him a little more seriously. I'll say that. Yeah. So he did try to say, hey, you know, I am the way I am because of the environment that I grew up in.

Yeah. Did he ever like suffer abuse as a child or anything? So this is one thing I can comment. When my mom first came to visit Erin, Erin pulled my mom to the side and was like, hey, I want you to read this book because Melanie doesn't really like reading. Or somebody said something, but I'm like, babe,

I've been trying to read it. But we got busy. And it was called A Child Called It. And I don't know if you guys know what that book is. It's about a kid that was abused. And like, but not to, I don't, he wasn't abused on that level, I don't think, but he was just saying, like, I just want you to see what abuse is when you're a child. And he tried to get me to read it. And I did read a little bit of it. And I'm like,

wondering, like, why is he trying to get me to read it and I did read a little bit of it and I'm like wondering like why is he trying to get me to read this book so later on I understood why. Was it just physical abuse or like sexual abuse in the book? There's a mental physical for the child. Got you. I've never heard of that book we'll have to check it out. So you know after you get in this first fight you leave you think it's completely over with. Yeah. And you're just like, all right, this is it, we're done. What happens from there?

Because obviously you guys had a long relationship. So it wasn't over after that first fight. No, I remember I went home and it was always him fighting back and forth and me trying to get, like he wanted me to always fight back like I feel like I caught on to it later that he wanted to argue like but if you fought back it would escalate correct? Yeah but he wanted those games you know like I don't know yeah well it's talks as a toxic relationship so it's like we were talking about off camera. It's push and pull.

He's going to push you away as hard as he can. But he wanted me to fight back and win him over again. I realized that he just wanted me to quote unquote, kind of beg for him back to get back with him. Yeah. It was almost like he wanted me to leave so that I could come back. Was there cheating that went on in the relationship?

Because it sounds like there was. There was. Okay. Because it sounds like somebody who would triangulate a situation. It was never, I would never be, he would try to, I really, everything was kind of like, I would see it later after I, after the situation happened, that he would try to find a reason to break us up or find a reason from, oh, you did this on this day. Right.

That's what I was reading whenever you were telling me about how you would pick fights with you and then want you to win him back, because that sounds like what I went through with one of my exes before, where it was extremely toxic, but he would always triangulate us and there would always be another girl in the situation.

It's like, he's gonna fight with me, push me away, go hang out with that girl, but he wants me to try to win him back. Yes, yeah, that's exactly what happened with us. Yeah, how often did he cheat on you? Well, he always tried to say that I'm the cheater when we would break up, even if I didn't physically cheat on him or anything

like that even just anything like going to see a hairstylist he'd be like oh you cheated on me and he would throw and I would never defend myself online because you one you shouldn't have to it's a private relationship you know he everything was online across those boundaries but technically you really shouldn't have had to have gone online to protect yourself because yeah and defend yourself because this is your relationship yeah hey I actually think it's admirable that you didn't because I would have gone online yeah I knew I was gonna be recorded I'm like I don't want to say something wrong yeah it's gonna be taken the wrong way and then it'll bring more attention to like our fights

So I would just stay off camera I think that's so much more admirable to be able to not say anything Especially when people online are attacking your character is just shows a lot of strength But also it shows where your head and your heart was at like if you were really trying to capitalize off Aaron You would have taken every moment that you could have to go online and make headlines by arguing with him. Yeah I never did any of that I just stayed to my I'm like I'm just waiting for him to get back to normal again the same. So how um so how much longer up the road did he start spiraling out of control was this before you got pregnant with Prince or did he? I noticed it was um basically I saw a big difference in him right after you got pregnant with Prince or did he? I noticed it was basically I saw a big

difference in him right after I got pregnant because he was doing celebrity boxing and I noticed he wasn't taking as many prescription pills. Just I could even say he even told me, hey I'm gonna go lighter on my medication and he was like I think I want to what do you call wean off of it? He actually told me that and I said said, oh, I didn't wanna say you need to. I didn't speak like that because I didn't know how to go about drug addiction yet. And I had no one to kind of help me like put him in the right direction.

But I would always say. Did he have a manager? He had a bunch of managers on and off on and off I know but they were that you they were pushing it on hit they were the ones giving it to him Wow So when you would go to them and I didn't mean to cut you off But I just okay when you say no you didn't have anybody to help you I kind of want to zero in on that because when you're dealing with an addict I we deal with we have addiction in our family also my dealing with an addict, we deal with, we have addiction in our family also. Um, my, my bonus

baby's mom is an addict and just when you're dealing with an addict, it takes a village to really help that person. So, you know, you being just one person and his love interest too is really hard because it's going to cause knockout, drag out fights because you know, you're the closest thing to him. They always say you hurt the one you love the most. I'm in the home so it's nearly impossible for the one you know I was there to protect to keep him better than him being alone. He was not he couldn't handle being alone. Was he like scared to be alone?

It wasn't that he was paranoid. But he just didn't do well alone. Like I just thought when we would break up I was always worried. Like I couldn't sleep. I couldn't. So when you say that his management kind of fed him drugs, like when you would go to them and be like, no I have messages of it in my phone. Really? Saying what? Like hey I have this for you. I have that for you. Wow. And I met the manager that I met in 2022 after Prince was born he was the one who went did a tour with him like it was like a mini tour. Right. But he wasn't getting

unfortunately the right amount of people at his shows. Right. He's gotten a lot of support after he passed away but before you, he didn't have too many people going to his shows. People had written him off because he did become such an online circus. And I feel like fans turned so easily. It's either they fucking love you to death or they fucking hate you. There's no in between when it comes to fans.

And I feel like a lot of us failed Aaron, you know, because he deserved so much better. Like he was a child. He was, you know, Aaron Carter and he was a childhood star and people loved him when he was a kid. And then, you know, I think with a lot of child stars, like look at Amanda Bynes, beautiful girl was his first girlfriend. Was it? Oh my goodness. I never knew that. Yeah. And, you know, but it's like everybody loves them when they're young and they're doing something for them. But then as they get older and they have that transition of not being a child anymore, it's like, oh, you know, fuck them. We don't need them anymore. He pushed away the good part of his like family and team, I would have to

say, because they wanted him to do better. I always wanted him to do better, but as a fiance, I didn't know how to bout to do that without losing him. Right. That's powerful. Yeah. Let's circle back. So you said when you first got pregnant with Prince, he was doing celebrity boxing.

Yeah, and he was like, I think I'm gonna, he's like, I saw a change in him, and I'm like, wow, like we're finally getting it together. Like, we're doing good. And he was was not taking it abusing his prescriptions he was going I was I had morning sickness and I was actually generally shocked that he would drive to LA every morning and go practice I have never seen him do that like actually physically go get up and you know work out and do something productive I didn't see him be that way in a really long time.

Were you guys trying for a baby? Yeah, he wanted a baby. I mean, he told my mom, she goes, why do you wanna buy a house with seven bedrooms? Why do you need such a big house? And he goes, oh, well, we're gonna have it all with kids, telling my mom that. And she's a little shocked, but she loves being a a grandma. So I love he's so cute, too

Thank you. So freaking cute. He's gonna be he's gorgeous baby He's gonna be just gorgeous growing up because both of you guys have amazing genetics so you guys were trying to get pregnant and Tell me about the day that you found out that you were pregnant. What was Aaron's reaction? No, he was so he was posting, telling everybody in his entire phone, he messaged everybody in his phone. He's like, guess what, Melanie's pregnant. Oh, that warms my heart.

How'd that make you feel? Really, I mean, I saw a change and I was, I was ready for it too, you know? Being 34 or 35, I think, 34. You look great. Oh, thank you. You're look great. Oh you're gorgeous. I appreciate you. Okay so he was excited he's going to celebrity boxing has he did he ever fully not take any medication when he was with you? No only for the times that he would run out I would say. So did he go through withdrawals? Yeah he did. Yeah and

then I he would say you know he's having a heidel hernia but I knew it was just withdrawal from not taking his meds from not having any medication and it was he wanted to tell people about like about his symptoms I think but he never fully like because he didn't he was in denial. So he never considered himself a drug addict? No but I mean I look at old interviews from six years ago and he would physically say in the camera I am a drug addict. You can pull those up. Yeah and then but to you he would not say he's a drug addict. No but maybe he said he needed his medication for his anxiety, which they prescribe Xanax

as that. I used to have a Xanax addiction, so I get it. Yeah. Do you think maybe he loved you and just didn't want you to judge him? So that's why he never could admit that to you and come out and just say, Hey, I'm a drug addict. Maybe I hope I hope he loved me. Aw, I'm sure.

I think we know Erin definitely loved you. Let's talk about the baby shower incident. You had talked about this just so that people can get an insight. And I want everybody to know we're not here to bash Erin, but it is important that I feel like the media does such a good job of blaming the women that are with the men, and it's never the men's fault for some reason. It's like, I think everybody deserves to tell their side of the story. And that's what we are here to do today. So I want to tell you. So let's talk about the baby shower incident. So this is kind of where I saw the most spiraling was from after the baby shower, we never got

it right. Like there was too much not trusting each other and then just events after events made it harder to get back to where we were from 2020, where we were a little better in our relationship. Well, I don't think so much trust had been broken. There was too much, yeah, from both sides, because he would take everything personal with me and be like, oh, you know, you talked to a guy

when we were broken up, like he would consider that cheating, even though he had full-on girlfriends on his living in the house. But it was okay for him to do that. So you guys would break up on girlfriends on his living in the house. But it was okay for him to do that. So you guys would break up and he would move girls into the house for like, like seven. I call him 72 hour. Sorry, you're such a gentle spirit.

So to hear you not even want to call these girls hoes, I think speaks volumes. No, somebody made it up the other day and I'm just like, Oh, it's kind of funny. No, it's, it's great. Um, so he would move these girls into the house when you guys would break up and then get mad at you. He would say on his Instagram that this is his new wife. There was like a couple, not too many, I'd say that were here better woman than I had have been tearing that house down with a baseball bat I mean I know I tried the first time

and then I caught on to what he was doing right and you're like I'm just like I'm not gonna entertain it because he's doing it on purpose kudos to you woman so this baby shower incident sorry so no you're good I first of all he calls her and I never knew who this woman was because I never saw her messaging him. He goes this is my old assistant and he goes I want you to meet her she's really nice you'll really like her and I'm like okay so I get to know she seems like a really nice girl. I didn't know later on because they both let me know that they used to be in a

relationship with not a relationship, but more than friends with benefit, whatever. They were fucking. Yeah. Okay, gotcha. Okay. So he would never go for that though, if you tried to bring it. I can't I couldn't.

Yeah, that's the thing. I would have never been I wasn't even allowed to see a hairstylist that you know, I sent a photo of my hair in a cute outfit. That was considered cheating to him That I had to cut off a hairstylist who did my hair correctly, you know Made me look the way I wanted to look right things like that But he was allowed and and he was she was being dishonest to me and he was being dishonest What were they being dishonest about? I'm not telling me in the first place that they were hanging out.

Gotcha, yep. For a long period of time, on and off, on and off. Before you? Yes, before me. So then, I didn't know this. I'm like, oh, this girl seems really nice. I feel like, looking back, I am super naive to not think. You're super sweet.

You have a gentle, very gentle energy. I get it that I was naive, you know, I'll call myself that, I 100% was. So I didn't know anything was going on because she wasn't really his type. Like he had a type. So. What's his type? Girls like, I don't know.

Blondes. Barbie blondes. Blondes, gotcha. He had his type. So then she comes out to go to the baby shower. When I'm seven, eight months pregnant, he just randomly decides that he doesn't wanna go. To his own baby shower. Yeah, to our baby shower.

She and another girl that was Erin's friend didn't go either. So it was just my friends that went. That's when I noticed, I'm like, this isn't real. I cannot believe this is happening. Yeah, that's hurtful too, though. It was a start. He wanted a family so bad, but then he doesn't show up to his own baby shower.

I don't understand. Was he under the influence really bad? Like, you know, that probably jaded his decision making, I'm sure. Yeah. So that was when I noticed it never got better after that. It was just on and off. You know, he could be normal for a few days,

but then he'll go back to the same behavior. There was a clip that I came across online where I think it really highlighted where your mental health was during this relationship. And I know a lot of people might have taken it. You know, everybody on the Internet tries to find negativity and things where I actually kind of like saw the deeper, the deeper meaning behind it but there was a video where you're like I cheated on you again and he was like you cheated on me and like was kicking you out of the house and you're like I need to go to the hospital I am NOT okay like yeah because he was stressing me out like trying to say that I'm cheating on him

when all I did was talk to another male that's it were you pregnant during this time or was this it was when Prince was three months old. Okay, gotcha. Because the reason why I kind of think I was just rebelling because he was speaking to other girls and I'm like, you know what, I finally had his child. I'm thinking, you know what, let's see how it feels when I literally changed my entire life,

settled down with you and this, and you're gonna sit and talk about me bad to Your fans and I found somebody sent me a message of him flirting with another girl Like when we were still together and I got really upset so I was you know You guys were just in a toxic relationship. Yeah, it was tit for tat, but I didn't really do tit for tat until you know I just he kind of like it just one day I just I almost wanted I mean I wanted to leave him I'm like I'm not gonna deal with this I'm gonna raise him on my own yeah I wanted to raise him because I felt like I deserve better

than that and then yeah go ahead it broke my heart hearing that clip though of you saying like. Yeah he made me say. Oh he made you say I need to go to the hospital? No he made me oh he clipped he to the hospital. No, he made me. Oh, he clipped He was like, oh, you know the cheating part. Yeah, he's like you're talking to a guy and I'm like, it's nothing It's just platonic. It's nothing crazy. But I feel like that was reactive abuse I feel like you were just finally like yes I cheated on you again like just to get it over with cuz I when I was in an abusive relationship My ex would poke and poke and poke and poke until you finally are just like, you know what? Yeah, I fucking did it. What are you going to fucking do about it? You know, because you just get to the point where you're just like, you just want the arguing

to stop. But to hear you say like, I am not well, I need to go to the hospital. Like that broke my heart because that but that's you crying out for help, you know, and all people can take from that clip is you saying, yeah, I cheated on you. And it's like, really, you guys need to see the bigger picture here of what's really going on. You can tell in that clip that that is reactive abuse and that you are just to your wits end with that. So that really broke my heart with that situation.

Take me back to where when Prince was born, how was he? Did he come to the hospital? Yeah, everything was great after after the baby shower incident the girl finally left his assistant finally left and then I remember him calling me as soon as she left you know things were okay but while she was the same assistant yeah while she was I was at my on my mom's couch eight months pregnant uncomfortable you know while he's you know on Instagram live all day with her. And they're just, for no reason, like, it's just crazy.

Now that you think back to it, you're like, dude, what the fuck was I thinking? Oh, I can't believe I even was so nice to that girl. Like the abuse she put me through by entertaining him, knowing that he's just gonna bring me back in the house when she goes, she could have just easily went home and let me be back to in the relationship, you know, Tell me about the situation that happened when you were seven months pregnant with his mom. Yeah, his mom was saying, you know, that he deserves better and that he can find someone else

and that she's just using you for your money, even though there's public media information about Aaron's finances as a child, how he lost all of his money due to not proper tax filing, et cetera, all that. So she always tried to put it on, you know, I saw old messages of her on Facebook from 10 years ago that are on Google of him of her harassing You know one of her son's wife Things like that. It's a pattern. I saw yeah, the same thing that she did to hit to his wife to me So it's almost like she's like projecting her ill will For her own kids onto the wives of her children.

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or just she was saying that you know I'm I'm put like I was put in Aaron's life from someone to like make his life bad I was a plant that is just crazy yeah so is she paranoid like how he is? Is she a drug user? No she's not I mean I don't really know. Yeah. All I know is she has active alcoholism. Gotcha. And do you feel did Aaron ever talk about his relationship with his mom? Well when I first met him he didn't even speak to her. Right and then she just came around and poked her head in when she wasn't... Well, I saw a video after he passed away of him and Aaron on Instagram live in a car and they had an argument and he told her to leave and that was right before

he met me. Gotcha. So she probably held a grudge because you guys got together right after. And she feels like you took her son away from her. Yeah, but I didn't see her reaching out to him. Right. So they just had a serious, toxic. I didn't meet her till a year later.

I feel like all the relationships in his life were just constant toxicity and just fighting. That's really all he knew how to do. Yeah, I feel like it's just he couldn't live with just a normal steady life. Who picked Prince's name? He did. Yeah, he wanted it. Yeah, his legal name is Princeton. Oh, so we changed it to Prince or we had the name is Princeton. He's literally Aaron's twin. I know. Thank you. He's so cute. like he looks just like little baby Aaron. Moving forward Aaron always fought with you online and there was a I watched a clip of the live that he did before he passed away and you're blowing up his phone

and finally one of the last things you say to him is you are going to die. are going to die. Yeah, I just hate thinking about like, why did I like I wish I knew how to handle an addict better. But I mean, to me, I didn't take that as you trying to be hurtful. I took it as you saying like, you're going to die. It was kind of like, honestly, I would have to say I didn't know how to handle it anymore. And I just wanted people to know that he was like what was going on because I was scared. Right. And I wanted people to possibly help, you know, but that's what I took it as. I took it as you're like, I didn't know what to do anymore. I was like, I was I think I was just so tired that week and so exhausted from all the craziness that was going on.

I didn't know how to handle it. Can you take me? I think my body just shut down because I had my brain. When you're I didn't know what to do anymore. When you're in those types of relationships, they they consider the trauma that gets caused to your brain like brain damage, because it it's like years of brain damage, especially being not calling Aaron a narcissist, but being in a narcissistic relationship or toxic relationship it causes brain damage to you because it's that hurtful and just

the whole you know toxicity of the relationship takes its toll on you emotionally and it's not good can you take me in to the last week of his life what was that like you were you guys together? So we I'll never forget it was Halloween. And unfortunately, I tech I was there. I was I had to go to my mom's home to see Prince. So I would drive four hours just to see my son. Let's let's read. Let's circle back. Yeah, you guys had lost custody of Prince can we touch on that situation yeah happened with that situation well we had an active case because the fans were calling and you know he was live all day and they had they were wondering like what's going on like you know this is not like he's smoking in the house

and just so because he would be on live all day long showing you guys his lives, the fans called CPS and were like, you need to do an investigation. It's crazy. Yeah. So, I mean, just as far as I just never he had drug tests. And I remember it was Halloween day. And I'm like, baby, you have a test that you need to go. And I have to go see Prince. I spent a couple of day and I'm like, baby you have a test that you need to go and I have to go see Prince I'd spend a couple of days like I miss him

I'm gonna go see we just got back from a show that he did with his manager who was giving him stuff So and we were fine, you know We went to Minnesota went to Mall of America just a couple of days So they had taken Prince and given Prince to your mom just a couple of days. So they had taken prints and given prints to your mom. How long did your mom have prints for? For a couple of months. Okay, gotcha.

So they didn't give you a choice? They were just like pretty much like, hey, we're removing him from the home. Yeah, they said he couldn't live at Erin's house. Gotcha. So I was living back and forth. So I'm in my head all the time, is my kid okay? Is Erin okay? Two hours and I'm like my head all the time is my kid okay is Aaron okay?

Two hours and I'm like trying to find I even bought an RV for him to live in Next to like the house so that I can keep an eye on him basically But he didn't really he always wanted to stay at the house. It was really hard My heart breaks for you. Thank you I really did love Aaron and like I just I'm sad that he didn't see how much I loved him and how much I wanted like to get to work out. I think he knew. I really do think he knew. I mean you guys are the only two people who really know what went on in that relationship is you two. It doesn't matter what any of us on the outside think at all. You know and I think that Aaron wouldn't have had a child with you and kept going back and forth with you had there not been some sort of love there or have him knew that you

loved him. And I think he might have hurt you the way that he did because they, you know, it's the old saying you hurt the ones that you love the most, which is fucked up, but it's so real. He pushed away everybody that was actually beneficial in a good way in his life. It's really sad. And people, but his like team let him do that and you didn't. Oh, his team. You kept coming back. His team wanted money. Aaron, Aaron was really manipulated. Like he would just

give money away to people. It's really sad. That's a Sagittarius spirit. That's how my husband is too. Yeah. He would just give, you know, expensive watches to people and his managers and he had really slimy assistants, male and female, and they would always get paid way more than they should and they would take his money when he was under the influence. I even found after he died a signed paper but not authorized to be executor of his will by an assistant um he was this that's so creepy yeah but it wasn't finalized but aaron signed it but it wasn't finalized that is so creepy that's yeah he's only

34 he was only 34 and he was trying to be his executor of his estate i have that in my phone too. I just feel like he didn't have anybody around him that loved him. Where was his brother in all of this? So I'll have to say that I think that they had boundaries from years of dealing with what I dealt with and that they kind of, it's their choice, you know, they had boundaries on what they wanted. Yeah, you have to have hard boundaries with drug addicts.

When they had children and stuff to protect. Which is completely understandable that's how I am with both my sisters I have to draw hard boundaries with them because if not it's always just some weird shit like it's never a normal situation with them. So take me into this last week and I can tell whenever you started talking about how much it hurts you. Yeah so you know I don't because I mean, there's so many things I wish I did differently. I hate that. I blame myself almost all the time. I'm sorry.

Yeah, like makes me want to tear up because I just can't imagine I couldn't imagine losing not only the father of my child, but the man that I really thought I was going to spend the rest of my life with. So I just want you to know my heart really aches for you on that. Thank you. So take me into this last week you guys were together or you weren't? Well we were together Halloween he passed away November 5th so technically I saw him what that would be six days before he died. I left to go see my son I wasn't on Instagram because I was spending time with my son. I even went trick or treating. But I think that was the night that he did something that I had never seen him do before.

And he went to rehab for it back in 2017. It was for inhaling this thing called air duster. And you can die from it. You can give you brain damage. It's really it's really bad Yeah, huffing anything huffing anything. Yeah, so always scared me I had friends that were huffers when I was growing up and I never understood I never knew what that is I've never seen it before and told me he would never touch it You know, but so he did have a problem with huffing before went to rehab for it

You in the whole relationship had never seen him huff anything. I've seen him once before he did it the last time he passed away. When was the last time that he's on? So he did it a month before he passed away and his manager was in the house and they kicked me out. They didn't want me there. There's actually a video of me saying you need to go to rehab and I came to the house and his friend was like Trying to kick me out. They put an article saying I was stalking the premises trying to make me look bad But then Aaron turned off the camera because in the video

I said you need to go to rehab, please and his manager was like get out of here the late manager of him that was like providing substances for him. And actually, on the autopsy of his death, there is a pill bottle of his name in the autopsy found in the bathroom. The manager. Why hasn't the manager been charged with anything? I don't know. I don't really what I don't even know how to comment on that because I don't know. There's so many like, it's just crazy. I don't know. I just feel like not only did, you know, the fans and the people who are around Aaron fail him, the judicial system is still failing him even after his death. You know,

it's just going to happen to more people if they don't fix this, make examples of people, absolutely. So you saw him huff the month before. Yeah, and it was almost like a cry for help. You know, I noticed. What do you think triggered such a brutal spiral from going? Getting your prints taken away. I almost feel like I wish I could help people

in addiction that lose their children because I feel like it's just it's just Some people can't handle Losing their children even though they lost it in the first place because of their addiction But I wish that the CPS didn't treat him like a felt like they treated him pretty fair Like pretty poor like really bad like I understand he wasn't doing what he needed to do and I even stated that online I'm like you need to like finally do this like get sober, please I've even said it before would he not go into rehab like did you ever draw a hard line in the sand and be like

Yo, if you don't go to rehab, I'm going to leave you I said you really want our mom my mom to raise Prince and then me have to live somewhere else in an apartment with your son. And then this is the this is something I've never stated but his mother told him, guess what Aerosmith got his child back when he turned 18. He got lost custody. You can just do the same thing. That's the advice she gave him. Instead of, no, you should straighten your life out and you should do what you need to do to get your son back at your life. You're only 34. Instead of being positive and saying, you are only 34, you have so much to live, she said that. Like, keep doing drugs until. Of course he's not getting a good, I couldn't

just be the only person giving him advice He needed a whole team of people to help him not just one person and the people he kept and then you know I had then I had a deal with him, you know getting mad at me for talking to him that way Like saying you're doing this wrong. You need to go to your drug tests and then stop babying me Stop bossing me around I had how was he getting around these drug tests if he was stillying me, stop bossing me around. How was he getting around these drug tests if he was still using? Is it because they were prescription pills

that he was in? I don't know. They wanted him to go. I don't even know. I was reading emails between the lawyers and stuff, and they were telling his, the CPS were saying, hey, he needs to get off of this, stuff like that. And they never did anything.

I don't know. That is wild. It is so wild to see how many angles of people that could have stepped in and changed this boy's life. Like granted, he is a grown man. That's what a lot of, he was a grown man and I get that. Even grown men and women need help. Yeah, I just wish that it was easier for addicts

to get their kids back, you know? Like, not just push them away. Yeah, and just caught and make things worse. So can you take me to the day that Aaron died, where you're at? I was at my mom's house. And were you guys fighting at this time? Yeah, because he basically said, it's too late now.

We can't get back to where we are. Like we're not gonna be a family Why did he say that Because he knew he had to go to rehab Wow, so he would write he wanted to just stay fucked up. He didn't want to I don't know try to fix things I mean, of course he wanted to but know try to fix things I mean of course he wanted to but it's did did he have the willpower to do it I don't know right I don't know if he wanted like almost I'll admit when he was off his medication he almost was depressed like it was like he hated being sober well your brain has to go through when I

remember he just went through yeah I remember when I was getting sober and coming on X it is one of the hardest things you'll ever fucking do you knew has to go through when I remember. He just went through, yeah. I remember when I was getting sober and coming off San X, it is one of the hardest things you'll ever fucking do. He knew that too, he knows. Yeah, it's hard and I don't think I started feeling good. I got sober in 2017. I didn't start feeling better in my brain until 2023. Wow.

Like that's how long it takes. And I'm not here to sugar coat shit, sobriety fucking sucks. But it is the most powerful thing you will ever fucking do for yourself is to be able to stand in a room full of people and be like, I'm sober. I know, I stayed sober because I saw the spiral and I'm like, I can't sit there and even have a bottle of wine

because then it'll set a bad example. And then one of his assistants, the many assistants he had, was sending him wine. And the fans know about that, too. That is crazy. On Door Dash delivery. You were sober the whole time? Yeah, I mean, in the beginning, we

would have wine maybe once every six months or something, like just out of nowhere, because we didn't go out that much. But I didn't ever pop open a bottle of wine. I would never order wine. You've never done pills or any drugs? No, I've never been on prescriptions or anything like that. No. Maybe like during a C-section, things like that.

Yeah, I mean. But nothing like, or a surgery, yeah. I think that's mandatory. If you're getting your fucking body cut open, you definitely need something. For sure. So take me to the last day of him being alive. So he was found passed away on the fifth, but we had a maid in the house.

Mm hmm. And yeah. So I have some questions about the maid. What was the situation around her? She had been working for him for a long time or was she a new maid? No, she was new. She was given by a publicist lady that we met in a group. I know it sounds really wish she lived close by but we met her like in a in the local grocery store And she just said I'm a fan of Aaron and I'm a publicist. Here's my Instagram

So dangerous that you guys would bring people in or he would bring people in like that Because you know, you never know people's intentions either Let's say he was so trusting. I was too trusting too. I feel like I was naive. I didn't understand that I'm putting someone in the house, I should have probably done checks on people.

It's just you never know anybody's intention. I'm the complete opposite. I don't trust anybody. Ask my team. People try to like good jobs. Also they know that he's a grown man You know what I write but also they know his problems too at the same time So I don't understand I would have just been scared that somebody would have came in to try to exploit that or you know

Make a dollar off selling stuff to the tabloids or you know Like you just never know where people's heads are at especially in this day and age. Yeah, so the maid was in the house especially in this day and age. Yeah. So the maid was in the house. I was she stopped. I think Aaron told her, hey, don't talk to Melanie because that's what he did to all of his team. When he would be upset with me, he'd be like,

don't talk to Melanie. But I was still communicating with the publicist. And I said, hey, is he OK? And I read old messages after he passed away that she went to the house and was like, I have food for you in the messages. So I'm really like confused. Right, so.

And then she didn't tell me. It's like she wasn't there and she was messaging him saying, hey, I have food for you. She wasn't telling me that she was communicating with him. I think that because he told her, hey, don't talk to Melanie. So she like, she abided by his rules, like don't talk to Melanie. Because she like, she abided by his rules, like, don't talk to because he's paying her. Yeah, or there, you know, she probably liked him a little more than me,

you know, because he's Aaron Carter, even though she pretended like she had my best in that, you know, she was trying to help me with him. But that week, she just cared about what he said, how long was she working for him before she before he passed? So she lived locally in Lancaster and I think we knew her for like two years, maybe a year and a half. Right, okay. And she was getting him a couple of jobs but a lot of jobs got cancelled because of the trolls and things like that. They would call the events and say no we don't want Aaron

doing this celebrity event for charity. It was like a charity event and he got, he couldn't go and he wasn't gonna perform because the fans called. That happened. It's just like one after the other, everything just hurt him. But then he dealt with the hurt by taking pills, I think. Just going deeper into his addiction. And drinking or doing whatever.

So that last day, was he still huffing also? So he, so I was asleep when it happened. It was 3 a.m. But none of the fans sent me the message or the recording of him. And it's just, it's so traumatic. Like, that he was doing it. That he was huffing online?

Online. Wow. I didn't even see those videos. I don't wanna see that. I don't really like to see anything from that week. It didn't even see those videos. I don't want to see that. I don't really like to see anything from that week. It's just too hard for me because then I can't sleep for days when I see stuff at this point. I don't know how you're holding it together as well as you are. That's a lot to go through and then to lose somebody so suddenly. So he's on live, huffing paint, allegedly.

He had an appointment to go to an intake for rehab on Friday, November 5th. So in his mind, he probably thinks it's like one of his last hurrahs before he has to go to rehab. Cause you know how people- He never thought about it that way. Maybe, you know, I'm just, this is a speculation on my part.

He was like, the guy messaged him from the Lion Rock, because I signed him up and I paid like a down payment for the rehab. And he said, hey, I can't wait for our meeting in the morning on Friday, November 4th. Let's dive into that really quick. So many people call you a gold digger because of dating Aaron and

I've heard you say a few times a few times during this conversation. I paid for this I bought him this I did this You know or I had to save the finances with my savings account because he was giving money away to the wrong person And to like a random fan on the internet when he was you know No, this is right mine own money, not that you got no money from before Aaron. Right. So we just wanted to clarify that Melanie is not a gold digger. So he was going to rehab and tell me about the, you know, take me from there, from him going on live, huffing to the phone call that you get? From the publicist she let me know. Right. That he's drowned.

She just calls you and says how did she find out? She said 911 on a text message. How did she find out from the maid? She didn't even tell me. She said yeah and then I heard the 911 call from online it's like you know they posted the phone call of the maid calling 911 saying that she found him in the bathtub or whatever and didn't there's so much um conspiracy around his there is a lot and it's just like you could go on and on and did you go to the house after he died I did yes did you get did you see his body no no there's so many people that have said that he was in the bathtub a lot longer than they're saying there's some people saying that there's no water in his lungs do you know the autopsy says that he passed away from drowning Xanax and died floor I forgot how to say it the the huffing stuff yeah which I will add that days prior to him passing away we went to a no jumper interview which is another podcast and Adam 22 and

Lena was just on the podcast okay well I don't want to speak bad about it because it's not nothing to do with them but Aaron's manager came by with a huffing can. And I was taking photos of it and I was worried. I'm like, I don't know why he brought this here. Like, why did Aaron know such a- To the interview? Yeah, I have photos of it. I took photos in the studio and I'm like,

why are these people putting this around Aaron? They take no no accountability. Like that's the kind of people Aaron was hanging out with. He chose to be with people like that. I don't understand why his, his manager is not being charged for some, some sort of... He's quiet. He doesn't speak anymore. And he was bashing me after in a car on a video and he was like Aaron didn't even love her There's literally a video of me and Aaron together on his Instagram right before like in the car on the way to a show Yeah, and he's like, oh they weren't together for months and he hated her That's that's part of the triangulation thing. Sometimes it's not always with another woman Sometimes it's always it could be with a different person where they have that that it's that third person that's they can always

go to and like he'll run to his manager talk shit about you but then come to you and tell you how much he loves you and that kind of seems like that was Aaron's forte of like trying to turn people on each other I guess he listened to me that day when we were in the studio and I said hey I'm leaving and you're leaving with me I don't want to be around this. And he listened to you? He did actually I'm surprised. After a minute though it took me a minute to like kind of tell him hey like I'm not

okay with this and we shouldn't be around this. So how did he drown if they're saying there was no water in his lungs was there water in his lungs? See it says no water in his lungs Like I feel like the report never changed from the beginning of when he passed away like it never like it said the same thing Like from the first day till like when it came out six months later or whatever I read it and it said everything that was in his in his toxicology. How are you feeling whenever you found out that he passed away? What was the emotions going through you?

I don't know. I'm still like, I don't know. Like every minute I think about like it's crazy to always think about that. I couldn't imagine. How was his relationship with Prince? Did Prince know who he was? Well, he says Dada still because I know that when he had his time with Prince in the office for the social worker, they took photos and stuff and he was always saying Dada after

he died and stuff. He'll still see TikTok and he'll say Dada. And pictures and then he goes Dada. Does he, is he old enough to know like daddy's not here anymore or have you told him that? No. And I'll meet my family talk about it. We're like, when are we gonna start? Telling him that his daddy's not here.

Yeah. So moving on, what does Melanie do now? Now that Aaron has passed away, would take me into the next few weeks of just your life after Aaron passed away. Just trying to get back to focusing on getting my finances back in order and finding a job to take care of me and Prince, you know, something that will be stable for me. And always maintain his legacy and bring awareness to child exploitation. Yeah, like bring awareness to, you know, I know, I know why they don't put kids in TV

and there's been a lot of documentaries about that. And also to, to, um, we were just talking about Jojo Siwa, like she's going through it right now. You know, like forgot about her going through from being a child star to now a woman who's trans she's, she still identifies as a female, right? Uh, that I, you know, that's transitioning and like is into adulthood, but also, you know, as lesbian, is she lesbian? Is a lesbian now. So it's like, you know, these kids go through, you know, these childhoods of being in the spotlight. And then it's like,

once they turn a certain age and the, the, you know, Hollywood doesn't have use for them anymore. They just kind of toss them to the side. And it's like these kids are just having to pick up the pieces of, you know, to be an adult, learn how to be an adult after they've lived such a fantasy life as children. It's easier to help kids with their mental illness at an early age than later, you know what I mean?

So like, I feel like, you know, 30 years ago, they didn't have so many people talk about mental illness, but now the people are recognizing it more They are but we just went through something with my 15 year old daughter Okay, and when we were looking for mental health for her like a you know any place to like help her with her mental health It was impossible. I any place to help her with her mental health, it was impossible. You would be floored at how much there is not resources to help children with mental health.

So I think that's a great thing for you to get into. I would love to help you if you ever do get into that, because I don't know where to start with that. But I would love to help children have a place to go when they need to reset that doesn't medicate them. Yeah, like that helps them heal their trauma. Yeah, I heard well, I found out that he was taking medications when he was a child. Wow, I didn't know and he never told me that. He told me he started when he was in like high

school. I was told I don't know if this is true though because everything is always so back. I was just told that he took it for stage right because he was seven. So I couldn't imagine giving a seven year old a fucking Xanax you know our volume what you know I was I was told this information after he passed away. That is crazy. So what does Melanie do now? Like, what does the future hold for you and Prince? Just stay with my son, and I'm just having fun, you know, like getting to go places with him

and just seeing him grow. He's going to be like his daddy. He's got his personality and his looks. Would you ever let him be in the entertainment? No, I decided not. I was advised from people to not do that because, I mean, it just showed that too much has been done. Especially what you just fucking went through.

Have you gone to any sort of therapy? I did after he passed away with prints and everything. But I feel like that's the next step is like to go into real Therapy yeah take this time for you and to just heal and what you just went through is not normal No, it's very hurtful and you know if you don't take care of it now It will affect you later on in life So make sure that you do you know if, if therapy is not your thing, just some form of healing, even if you get into like meditation, or just trying to work through the trauma that you've just been through. Because, you know, sitting here, I've seen you kind of like choke

up a couple times, and like, you fight it and you push it back. And that's so not good to do, you got to let that shit out somewhere. So yeah, that's probably what happened to him is he just So yeah, that's probably what happened to him is he just Masked everything every day and then a more and more bad stuff happened. He's just masking it. He's not taking care of the problem I'm sorry for all you've had to go through and I can't wait to see how you turn this into something that's you know, I don't want say productive, but something that's healing and just, I can't wait to see what you do with Prince these next few years. Oh, thank you.

Why don't you tell people where they can find you? Miss Melanie Martin on Instagram or Miss Melanie XX on TikTok, I think. Yay, we love TikTok, the old Tikitaki. Thank you for sitting down with me. I really appreciate you. And I want you to check back in with me in the next couple of years and come sit down and I want to hear about all the things you're doing.

Yeah, I would like that. Sorry. I'm like, no, you're good. She's like, yes, but we just had the most emotional conversation. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for having me. Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Dun Blonde. I will see you guys next for being here. I appreciate you. Thank you for having me. Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Dumb Blonde. I will see you guys next week. Bye.