Dumb Blonde - TBT: Mod Sun

Episode Date: February 27, 2025

Bunnie is joined by the sweet and brilliant Mod Sun, as he talks about everything from facing heartbreak and addiction to finding purpose through his music and art. Mod reflects on his journey from farm boy to rockstar, hitting rock bottom and how he manifested success. He talks about past romances in the public eye, his soul bestie Machine Gun Kelly, Bob Dylan, and why it's okay to be delusional. Mod also shares a sneak peek into his new music and the reinvention that came along with it.Mod Sun: IG | WebsiteWatch Full Episodes & More:www.dumbblondeunrated.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Bonnie, who used to be a former sex worker, and now hosts the podcast, Dun Blonde. Most little girls grow up wanting to be doctors and lawyers and shit. And I was like, I want to be super hot, make a lot of fucking money and be a rock star's wife. That was my goal as a child. And here we are. What's up you sexy motherfuckers. Welcome to another episode of Dun Blonde.

I'm sure you probably heard me and Mod Son talking about how he's the hot uncle. What's up baby? How are you? I also take that role. I like that role better than the hot uncle. What's up baby, how are you? I also take that role. I like that role better than the hot older guy. Because we were talking about how Jay and I are like mom and dad to everybody. And Mod was like, yeah.

He's like, I'm totally that too. And I'm like, no, you're like the hot uncle. You're not dad yet. You're like hot uncle. Right? Am I wrong here? I like that. I like that.

Am I wrong, people in the room? Are we wrong? Are we wrong here? OK, cool. Am I wrong? People in the room. Are we wrong? Are we wrong here? Okay, cool. We're on the same page. I'm so happy to have you here. Thank you. This has been a long time coming. Yeah, it has. I slid in your DMs like two years ago and thankfully you didn't reply because I know, I know. This is the time I was supposed to have you. I swear to God, it really is the time. But I really saw the DM like three weeks ago and immediately was like, all right, I missed this one.

If you ever want to do it again, I'd love to. No, and I'm just so happy to have you here. Why I did is because I listened to your podcast just outside of it. That really makes me happy. It makes me so happy when I have men telling me they listen to the podcast because that means a lot to me because I have such a huge female following. So when I get the men that are like, yeah, I listened to your podcast, I'm like, dude, can I hug you? Because it's like so sweet.

Your conversations are just like natural conversations. Do you have mostly female guests? No, I mean, I do have a ton of female guests, but I love having men on too. So it's like, it's a variety, but definitely probably more female dominated. But I think it's because of my platform and just who I am. I just have a more female fan base.

Even when I was doing- You're like the super power female that's like, says be like confident in yourself no matter what. I appreciate it. And like fights back against people that talk shit. I love that. It's exhausting sometimes. I even told them I was like-

It's such a good message to send though. Not being like, I'm gonna talk shit, I love that. It's exhausting sometimes. I even told them I was like. It's such a good message to send though. Not being like, I'm gonna talk shit back to you, but just being like, yo, this whole thinking that you can't have your word against someone that's talking shit because you're a notable person, and oh, if I say the wrong thing thing this and that like that's like a whole wall that needs to be broken down right now I really needed to hear this don't you think so though I swear to God that's why I'm fighting the good side

people like I'm in a good place right now I feel like I have my light back around me right look so happy thank you thank you I am happy I feel this is the most secure I felt like in my skin as well in years and years and years but there was a time where it wasn't like that, but then there was also this time where like I don't know when it happened, but For some reason I got in my head like oh like do I have to like worry about saying the wrong thing or being a certain? person or or all that stuff like yeah, and that's why when you have this like message of like I Will say my opinion back to you regardless of who I am or how many people follow me?

That's like these they're like these are messages for the youth that they need to like understand that you know for sure 100% and sometimes I get caught up in the am I doing the right thing or should I not say this? But I feel like as I don't like to call myself a celebrity you're a celebrity but as people in the public eye It's like we're told that we're not allowed to talk back to people. It's like no don't say this Don't say and it's like why why are people allowed to bully and that's why this problem has gotten so bad online That's why bullying it was because they always tell you, if somebody abuses you, don't stay silent. But yet, the first thing they tell you whenever somebody abuses you online is stay silent.

Like, what are we talking about here? This is like mixed messages. I mean, my favorite times of being myself is when those thoughts never entered my head. The second they did, I felt like I was so fake. I felt so fake, and not me. Do you feel like you've been silenced because of your celebrity? Well, yeah, I mean. To a certain extent? Yeah, yeah, 100%. Or just even just thoughts of being like, don't put yourself. So like, I've gone through things where I have put myself in the position to

Kind of speak my half of things, you know, especially with past relationships, right? I bleed into the public eye I have had a relationship where I was like no this and and and saying my word back and Then it being like something that follows you forever and becomes a narrative and then I've had situations in the last couple years Where it was like I didn't even stand up for myself and that follows you forever and becomes a narrative. And then I've had situations in the last couple of years where it was like, I didn't even stand up for myself. And like those things are just like, okay, understand. Yeah, like my sister is my PR person. So she's like PR crisis, you know?

Is she a pit bull? Yeah, oh yeah. She's my older sister though. She fights for me. Oh, I love that. But anytime that I found any one of my great moments that people will come up and tell me affected them in a great way are always me having no thought of that.

No thought of that. And I'm not saying like, go make yourself look bad. You know what I'm saying? Not saying say some wild shit at 2 30 a.m. that you wouldn't say the next morning. I mean I've done that a few times. I am guilty. I almost did it last night. You're awesome for what you do. Okay. And like if just as myself I have felt inauthentic before. And those moments like really kind of I let myself down, you know? And like where I'm at at this point in my life, I'm like, okay, I remember who I am. Like I remember who I am. I am 37 years old, just age in music, right? We love Jelly because he really

puts it on the line. Daddy roll. He gives us daddy roll. Yeah. He like gives this whole real talk about what it is. It's like, be so proud of your story. Do not try to hide it. Do not try to keep up with the other people and this and that. Like, wear it and be it and love it and be proud of it. And like, that's what creates the light around you. You know, I've felt my shit dim.

I've felt it dim. And in the last year, I had to just like reorganize my life, get back to just being in love with myself. How did you do that? What were like some steps? Cause I know you went through a really tough breakup and we can talk about that. We can touch on it now or later on,

whenever you're comfortable with it. But I remember seeing a video of you on stage after that breakup and it broke my heart for you because I could tell you were holding in so much and I think right at right in that moment I just felt so much love for you because I was like damn I was like this man is literally wearing his heart on his sleeve in front of hundreds and thousands of people each night. This is tough, dude. So how did you go from being on that stage to finding yourself again?

That was definitely an authentic moment, again. I'm glad that you say that, because that was a moment of true authenticity. We went through this breakup while I'm on tour, bled out in front of the world, going on stage every night. It's like my biggest song is with her. And it's my song. So I had to really be like, okay, like, yeah,

this is the hardest thing, but it's my song. Like, I'm not gonna deny myself of that, you know? And so I'm gonna keep playing it. Yeah, it's hard as hell to hear that voice every night, but I'm gonna keep playing cause that's my song. And as hell to play, hear that voice every night, but I'm gonna keep playing, because that's my song. And so, I mean, that kind of started this whole spiral of being like, from there, it was very, I would have to do a meet and greet every day

and kind of fake a smile, you know what I'm saying? And that's fine, you know? Not like just completely just being in shambles in front of people, like still being like, all right, I'm a warrior, you know? Yeah. But so like I went on that tour and came home and had to like reorganize my life completely. And just like environment, so important.

Like your, I love to say this about people because I clearly look different than I did a year ago. You know what I'm saying? I love the dark hair, by the way. I do too. I love it. I love to say this about people because I clearly look different than I did a year ago. You know what I'm saying? I look different. I love the dark hair, by the way. I do too. I love it. I love it.

Yeah. And like, just you saying that, like, again, we've been told certain rules that are so backwards. We're told like materialism is wrong, right? Okay. I'm talking like if you really in your heart believe that like a great outfit won't make you feel better about yourself, you're tripping. No it does. You're tripping. Yeah. But we're told like no no no no don't. Or you're told like your appearance,

your appearance like I changed my appearance. I go out and people be like dude you look better than you've ever looked. That makes me feel great. That helps me feel secure, right? It's like these things that are just these little building blocks that like you've kind of been told are not the way, right? Like a simple thing, you have to break down

what it is to you, but for me, I've just figured out recently, like what is happiness? Duh, the most cliche thing ever. What is happiness? I figured out what it is to me. It's something to look forward to. That's it. All this like be present, be in the moment,

all that is like, get it, love it. Thank you, Deepak Chopra-isms, I love it. Give it to me. I get bored, like I need to know what the next hurdle is. I want to wake up and have something to look forward to. That makes me happy. It doesn't need to be some like career driven goal. It doesn't need to be anything ridiculous.

It can be something so simple as like, I wake up and like, I love the first picture that I have hanging on my wall in my room. And that like, makes me wanna get up. It can be also something giant. I have something to look forward to. Let me create something to look forward to. Whatever it is, you know?

And it's like, once I realized that, 37 years old into my life, you know what I'm saying? It was just like, boom. That's what it into my life, you know what I'm saying? It was just like, boom. That's what it is to me, you know? And just realizing that there's these little things that are okay with utilizing your life, like changing your appearance, changing your environment, building things to look forward to,

obviously keeping great people around you that give you the hard talks The hardest talks are the ones that make your life easy They uncomfortable ones, but those those are you have to be comfortable having uncomfortable conversations. So what me and my husband I love that you really do because I mean life's not always fucking Cherries and fucking unicorns. Sometimes it's butt holes and cigarette butts, you know? We don't, life's not always a fucking bundle of joy. So you have to be comfortable being able to be like, hey, you know, kind of looking within

and having uncomfortable conversations with yourself. Like, what do I need to change to make myself happy? Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I really like dove into that in the last year and like focused on that and that only and Finding things that were like missing in my life. Yeah, you know really really Applying those, you know, like as a musician doing the work a hundred percent Yeah

I think that's a huge thing because it sounds to me like you're doing the work a lot of people are like Looking for happiness, but they don't want to go find it You know, they want it to come to them. And it's like, no, you gotta get the fuck up. Go find it. Go chase that shit. And push yourself and it can be something so simple. When people hear these talks, a lot of the time

their human condition is to jump to something gigantic. Or build a goal that's a year from now goal. Unattainable, right. Or not unattainable, but at that moment. Yeah. Right. Yeah. 100%.

It's like, dude, build a goal for yourself for the next six hours. Like, it doesn't have to be this. Eat healthy for a day. Yes. You know, like, it can be so tiny. Discipline. Listen to a record you haven't.

Yeah, exactly. It's so good. I am in, what is it, the sixth today, the seventh? So three, four. Today's Cinco de Mayo, isn't it? No, that was yesterday. So, damn, we missed it. So five days from now, I'll hit Five Years Sober, right?

Yay! And why, I know it's really, I'm really like, yeah. That's amazing. Let's definitely dive into your sobriety. I would love to. I would love to, and like, just piggybacking off that though, what's so great is another tip or advice or stance on life. It's like, drug addicts,

whether you're a recovered drug addict or currently in a battle, just know you have the greatest discipline in the world. To wake up and get fucked up every day Takes discipline to go to go meet the plug in a random parking lot at 2 a.m. That is Discipline yeah, and I'm just like holy shit every day afterwards like you know and have to have that Yeah, if you can do those things you you can get a six pack in six months. You know what I'm saying?

You can do all these things. You can get that job that you want. You can go through all... Nothing can stop you. No. I have drug addict discipline. I hold that. Anytime I talk to addicts and shit like that, I'm just always like, yo, just know you could

become president. Yeah, no. You could take over the world with your discipline. If they just put that channel, that energy, into something that's constructive. It's so powerful. Yeah. It really is. It's a crazy way of looking at it, but it's facts.

It's so true. Literally, it's facts. Yo, I look at people that are just so down and out, I'm like, yo, just know you could take over the fucking world. I love you. You are the type of motivational speaker that a motherfucker like, yo, just know you could take over the fucking world. I love you. You are the type of motivational speaker that a motherfucker needs, though, because they'll listen to you, because you have

such a cool way of saying it. So people are kind of like truth bombs or like going off in their head. And they're like, holy shit, yeah, that makes total sense. 100% if you can also just get away from the whole positive speaking Google search sentences. Be like, all right, let's remove all those weighted words and just like say the thing you're trying to say.

Like Charles Bukowski is my favorite writer of all time. You would always be like, you have no guts if you're turning a sentence into a paragraph. Like stop with all that. The wind blew through the window of steel at night while I was, the twilight was glowing through the sheets of my room. It's like, bro, you found happiness looking out the window

while the moon was out. Like, you know what I'm saying? That is so real. It's like, which sentence do you wanna read? That's so real though, because what did you just say? Say that again for me so that I can remember it. I don't even, oh, oh. Oh, the paragraph, you just turned to send.

You have no guts if you're turning a sentence into a paragraph. I love that. That's gonna be my new fucking motto. Yeah, it's real. You do that. I do. You are like straight to the point.

Oh no, I tell paragraphs. No, I tell paragraphs. You think I'm looking at you going, you do. You're a paragraph person, no. No, I am, I feel like I am. I'm not saying talking a lot, I'm saying you say it how it is. That's essentially what it is, is being like,

stop trying to fill this whole thing with all these isms and all these blown out ideas. It's like you say it how it is. Trust me. I love you. I needed you here today, Mod. I am a viewer. I am objectively.

Is it objectively from the outside or subjectively? I don't know. Subjectively, possibly? Here I am again. Didn't go to the incredible. I'm not sure. Listen, I didn't graduate 9th grade. We'll go with objectively and if we're wrong, it's all good. It's alright. I am from the outside looking in.

I watch you and I do have a good opinion of that. Like you say it how it is. I appreciate you so much. Speaking of some crazy shit that I discovered whenever. We're gonna take it all the way back. You're like a farm boy from Minnesota. Let's talk about this. Because you have like a really crazy childhood story. I do. I really love my story. It's actually really cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I've lived many lives like, and I totally just like, I love it so much. I've never been the one to be like, does living in, does that, I'm in LA? Should I tell people like I'm LA or this and that? It's like, I'm Minnesota, like Midwest, Minnesota. I grew up on a farm, a farm with no animals. My parents were absolute wild, they were the animals.

So you tell, so I heard that your mom was a cheerleader and your dad was a biker. Yeah. Like your mom was a cheerleader in high school. Yes. Yes. He literally rode up. Married the bad boy.

Oh, 100%. 100%. For good and bad. I got a lot of my dad's good qualities, and all of my mom's good qualities. So I kind of won with that. No, my mom was cheerleader, straight A student. My dad was kicked out of Catholic school and had to go to this

other school and like pulled up beat up my mom's boyfriend at the time and like threw threw her on the back of his bike. It was like your mind. Yeah, that's my kind of guy. No, no, literally 100%. Yeah, a lot of girls at home are like, that's how he was. I'm telling you, I know. And when I say like threw her on the back of my bike, like take it however you want it. Like that it, that is, my dad is like, he was the real deal, he was one of one.

There's this quote from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas that's too weird to live, too rare to die. That was my dad. He couldn't get his shit together, but he was so rare that we had to have him here. You know? And yeah, so we grew up on like a giant, like what would you say, like five acres? Sorry, I'm talking off camera to my sister.

She's here. It's like five acres in the middle of Minnesota. Like I go back to this town, it still hasn't changed a bit. It's so small. And I actually had this great conversation with someone last night that also grew up in the middle of nowhere. But it's like from age zero to six,

no neighbors, no friends, only my sister, who older sister, it takes a long time for your older sister to. Like you. Yeah, like. Yeah. We were. Trust me, I'm an older sister, I get it.

And we'll get to this too, but my sister was the, like my mom, the cheerleader, straight we were. Trust me, I'm an older sister, I get it. And we'll get to this too, but my sister was the, like my mom, the cheerleader straight A student. This one right here? Yes, yes, yes. Oh, I love that. So we were total opposites in so many ways. But one, zero to six, grew up on a farm, no friends, total just imagination.

What was life like with your parents? Were they pretty stable or were they just... No, not at all. Take me on that journey. I mean my mom was the definition like of an angel like just just trying to caring about kind of zooming out and looking forward. I mean like my kids shouldn't see or hear or know about things that are going on you you know? But my dad literally would have his girlfriends calling the house being like, and my sister would answer the phone and be like, hey, like my sister's like nine, like bitch.

You know what I'm saying? Like that was the first time I heard curse words was my sister like. I love that sister was routing up at nine though to stick up for mom. Hell yeah, oh hell yeah. And like, I mean also my sister was like the bartender. My sister was like making them gin and tonics

and old fashions at nine years old. Oh my goodness. Yeah, yeah. I was literally, my favorite picture of when I was a kid was me like drinking a Paps that like fucking four years old. First of all, iconic. Secondly, that's crazy. Like band slip-ons, my dad's like posting it all. I'm like drinking a Paps that like fucking four years old. First of all, iconic. Secondly, that's crazy. Band slip-ons, my dad's like posted it all.

I'm like drinking a paps, like literally. Oh my goodness. So you guys grew up rock and roll. 100%. That's how I grew up too. And we grew up like 10 minutes from Bob Dylan's farm in Minnesota, who's my favorite artist of all time. Minnesota white, yeah.

And so it was all rock and roll. It was all like, you listen to the Allman Brothers. You're either a Dylan guy or a Beatles guy. We are Dylan people. And the band, and it was music all the time. I love that. And motorcycles. My mom and dad rode motorcycles.

My first scar that I still have on my leg is falling off my dad's bike when I was four years old and burning my leg on a 1,000 degree exhaust pipe. Oh my goodness, yeah. It was wild. It was wild. For Minnesota, like I know when people have this picture of Minnesota in their head, they're not thinking like this, this is what it was like growing up there for me, you know? But what stuck with me the most through those, I don't even know if you call one through six formative years, but they were so much for me.

They're extremely formative years, but they're worth so much for me. Okay. Yeah. Great Thank you because I it it made me who I am Yeah, I am permanently in my own world in my own imagination Because I had all this space and no friends and no neighbors and no nothing So I was in my head all day running around this field pretending I was whatever, superhero or a spy or any of those things. And I've never left that world ever once.

I've like stayed there. I think that's part of your childlike charisma. You know, like you have this like just sweet wonder about you and I even told Jay that. I was like, he's just so sweet, you know? And now I understand where you get it from. From there, thank you. You're welcome.

It's horrible. Everyone, raise your threshold for compliments to not immediately throw someone back at other people. I won't let you do that. Just say thank you. I tell this to all people, I'm like, raise your threshold. I gave you a compliment. Just give me one back.

Just be like, damn, thanks. Mod is dropping gems, guys. I hope you're fucking listening. I needed you today because I had a horrible day yesterday. And today, this is just everything. Well, let's get into that too at some point. No, we're not here to talk about me. Because we're going to flip this and be like,

welcome to dumb brown hair. We're going to. No, welcome to dumb brown hair. No, we're not doing it. Um, so I wanted to circle back on the Bob Dylan thing that you had said, and I wanted to tell you something that you might actually enjoy. My husband is a huge Bob Dylan fan, loves Bob Dylan. His son, Noah was actually born to like a rolling stone. And I know that's your favorite Bob Dylan song. So when I heard that, I was like, Oh my God, this is like kindred Stone. And I know that's your favorite Bob Dylan song. So when I heard that, I was like, oh my god,

this is like kindred souls. It's crazy. I so can tell the Jelly Roll fan and Bob, like I can so see it. Oh, he just went and saw him at, where were we? In Austin, what's it called? The whole big fucking festival they have out there? The Austin City Women's?

Austin City Women's or something like that. Yeah, he went and saw Bob Dylan. I was like, did you record it? And he was like, no. It's like, yo, yeah, again, it's like the great, I tell every artist, there's so many artists that are so lost right now, especially the younger ones that have had a different upbringing in a different kind of world of being an artist. You know, I grew up as an artist pre-internet, pre-having a studio in your house. Where you had to actually work.

Pre-laptop and pro tools. Like this was like the growing up with instruments set up in your garage and every day after school, you came and jammed with your friends. And if your friend didn't show up, you couldn't jam. You know what I'm saying? Right. Like I grew up in that world.

I grew up in the back of vans, playing shows for free, sleeping on people's floors, all that. The world that it's in now is a lot, is shifted in a back of vans playing shows for free sleeping on people's floors all that The world that it's in now is a lot is shifted in a lot of different ways and a Lot of artists get really lost because they'll have these giant peaks and valleys my whole thing was like just a giant like slow Lift right so many. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely And there's so many for young artists peaks and valleys valleys, peaks and valleys. And it gets hard and I'm like, yo, study, I don't care if you hate Bob Dylan's voice.

I don't give a fuck. Just study his career. Like this is a man that was slated as the voice of a generation, him and an acoustic guitar and a harmonica. The second that he was at his peak of this voice of a generation, he grabbed an electric guitar, showed up to Newport Jazz Festival, the first electric performance ever at Newport Jazz Festival,

got booed off stage for a year after that, played like a rolling stone to his concerts, and got booed by his biggest fans and never stopped playing the song. And it is now regarded as like the top greatest song ever. And like that is like believing in what you're doing and not putting the control in the hands of the audience of telling you that it's great or telling that it's successful. And then as soon as they loved him being electric,

he went and made a country album. They hated it. Soon as they loved that, he went and made a blues record. They hated it. Soon as they loved that, he went and made a blues record. They hate it. Soon as they love that, gospel records. Soon as they love that, Jack. It's like dude just was like, never are you in control of my success and who I am and I follow my instincts and follow my guts. Also a guy who disappeared for 10 years and came back and dropped what I think is his greatest record of all time, Blood on the Tracks. Like, it's just the greatest mentality

for an artist to be in. To not think that like... Not be put in a box. Oh, they're gonna forget me. Oh, they're gonna forget about me. If I don't post today, they're gonna forget about me. If I don't drop a song right now, they're gonna forget about me.

It's like, man, just like, create art as if you're already dead and gone and it'll be the best art of your life. Hmm that's amazing I love that you tell young artists to go and study Bob Dylan my husband did that on his good night Nashville album we watched every Bob Dylan documentary that you could fucking find and he just consumed Bob Dylan for like months it was wild and it was the best thing he ever did now look what he's doing you can't put him in a box we love you so much what you're saying is real though like you told you tell people to go and study him and that you know he's one of your favorite artists

and like my husband too and look what he's doing and it's regardless of the music it's like study the path that he took as an artist. You know? It's like my, I learned a quote, because I've been like a, I've been chasing art, and I'm talking like the facets of art, like painters. I've been studying painters. I study the lives of people.

You know? I've been studying painters since I was a very young kid. And when I heard the quote at like 13 years old, that was like, a great artist reinvents themselves every 10 years, right? And like that's their periods, you know, as an art, as a painter, you have like periods, like, you know, you have the blue period or the abstract period and like all these people like lived by that. And I put that into like my life as a musician. It was like the first 10 years of my career as a musician,

I was a drummer, you know? And then my bands were doing good. Like my dreams were coming true. And I felt something that I had to do and completely abandon all comfort and went back to ground zero and was like, I am Mod Son now, I am going movement on dream, stand on it or not, I'm starting this new thing.

And I did 10 years as a rapper calling what I did hippie hop and making positive rap music. This was before Kendrick Lamar did I Love Myself. Yeah, we had Dayloss Wall and we had more positive kind of hip hop, but in that term it was like,'m gonna make hip hop based around the secret and the law of attraction which was like it was not it alt and you know really high register belting and then I'm in this like 10-year phase right now that's like so so raw and it's finally out like I was about to take three years off of music I went back to Minnesota in August

of this last year and I was like I'm just going to paint and write scripts indirect for the next four years, because I don't really think I have the desire to try to outdo myself. So this is when I was very lost. This was part of the being lost period that I just had. Where you had to rediscover yourself. Yeah. And I went back to Minnesota. Isn't it crazy that you went back home to do that?

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Is mom still there? Yeah, yeah. Because we're going to circle back after with what happened at six. I tried to warn you. No, you're good. I love hearing. I could listen to you talk for hours.

I tried to warn you that I have just rammed the man. Lord, I was born a man. No, I love it. But I think that's amazing that through everything that you have accomplished, when you're going through hard times, the first thing you want to do is go back to that space where you were able to just be away from everybody and isolated and Just alone with your thoughts to just figure it out

I like I came back home from Minnesota and Like the first song I wrote like the end of the song is like you're searching for a high But you can't fly till you fall and it funny how you find yourself once you lose it all? Home is waiting when there's nowhere left to go. You'll find love there, I hope you know. And it's like the last little part of the song, and it's like, it wraps up that whole feeling of being like, searching for all these things.

I've fallen, that was how you fly. Isn't it funny? You can't fly till you fall. Yeah. Like a bird. Well, there's nowhere up, nowhere else but up. A bird has to be thrown from the nest to learn how to fly. Like, bro, that is, that's, that is so,

there's more truth than poetry in that, but it is so poetic. No, it's so real. So let's circle back. Circle me back. I am, I got you, baby. Listen, my husband's a Sagittarius. I got this. So six years old. Tell me what happens then.

You're living this rock star lifestyle with your family. Dad's girlfriends are calling the house. Shit's crazy. You guys are partying. Were you guys exposed to drugs back then, too, and stuff? Or was it just more alcohol? She would know better, because I was young. She has more memories than I do.

We talk about this all the time where she was like, yeah I was like nine. So there's a big difference between six and nine. Where it's like there's more memories. But basically what happened is they got divorced and my mom was working for, my dad had a what he owned a warehouse and it was a warehouse that would hold things that truckers needed to come in town and pick up like parts and stuff

yeah like I think it was a lot like paint based, like paint for industrial stuff. And the loosest kind of career ever. Like I'm talking like it was party at the warehouse. You know what I'm saying? But it would just be truckers pulling up to this warehouse, picking up stuff. And my dad was a trucker before his whole life, which is why I love the road so much.

Like he was a trucker in his early life. And so they pulled it to their house. Anyway, my mom was working at that place with my dad. When they got divorced, my dad fired my mom, okay? Son of a bitch. Yeah, yeah, he fired my mom. And so my mom had no career, no money, nothing. And my mom was like, yo, you can't have,

like you, like she fought for full custody, right? She was like, no, no. And so my mom got full custody, and due to that, got the house that we were living in. The house wasn't paid for. My mom had no money. House got foreclosed on, okay? So this big, giant farm life that I was loving,

and was just like, shit, I think we're like, I think this is cool, like we're good to go. Went to immediately like living just like, shit, I think we're like, I think this is cool, we're good to go. Went to immediately living in a two bedroom apartment. We moved to the suburbs, she moved us to the suburbs, she's like, I'm gonna bring you out of this farm, put you in the suburbs, we need to get you adjusted, all this.

My mom went to being basically an intern at a job to top of the chain in like- That's where you get your drive from. 40 years or what, or I don't know how long it was that she worked at that job, but she retired like 10 years ago now, she's been retired, but she went from literally working for free to like top of the list, right?

And- Go mom, go. Yeah, yeah, and through those times, and like the first thing my mom did, so this is part of my other formative everything is like, my mom was like, all right, dude, like you don't, you don't know how to be social. You know, I'm seven years old now. You don't know how to be social.

Were you not in school? Did they not have you in school? Yeah, I was in school. But this school that I was in when I was on the farm was like five kids. Right. You know what I was on the farm was like five kids. You know what I'm saying? It was like five kids, that kind of town. Like homeschooling pretty much.

100%. So now I'm like seven or whatever, seven or eight, and my mom's like, I'm gonna put you in sports. If you hate sports, you can quit, right? You can totally quit. But I'm gonna put you in sports because I feel like it'll give you this social acceptance of being a team and forced to make those friends.

And you'll have a coach, which is a father figure. So did dad cut you guys off? Did you just disappear? It was that kind of dad. So he stayed in Minnesota for, I want to say, four years after they had gotten divorced. And then he moved to Long Beach, California But in those four years, it was the hey, I'm coming by to pick you up this weekend and never show up

It was that it was like me waiting in on the front step with a bag Oh, that's so hard and never and never showing up and when he did show up my dad always just wanted to be like I'm so fly I'm so like it like he would he would go and like get a big house and like the really like poor neighborhoods Like and and try to like show off and be all fly and this and that and like he was just you dude He was he was the best hustler in the world. He could sell headphones to a deaf guy I swear to God he was like the greatest Hustler ever so I for a lot of his life

I have no idea what he did but he could always have like a hundred dollar bill in his pocket. And that was probably it. Yeah. Cause he did die with nothing, you know? Sorry. I just wanted to ask, cause you said that you needed a father that she wanted you to have a father figure. No, so I had no father figure for sure. Yeah. So she put me in sports and like greatest thing, any, any tip to people out there that have children. My mom, I put on ice skates, got on the ice, got off. My mom looked at me and said, you're a fucking natural. And like from that point on, my mom told me that about everything and she might have been lying through her teeth.

But that inserted something in me that to this day, I believe I am a natural at anything I do. I have so much confidence in myself that like I day I believe I am a natural at anything I do. I have so much confidence in myself that like I'm meant to do this, you know? And it's like delusion and delusion is a lot a big part of success. You know? Absolutely. Delusion and manifesting. Yeah. Hand in hand. It's so funny. I've done it my whole life. Opposite words. You're like delusion, negative, manifesting, positive. It's like, does delusion have to be negative? I mean, I feel like you're avoiding negativity. have to be negative I mean I feel like you're avoiding

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Yeah, put me in sports, told me I was a natural. I began playing sports. Did you stick with the sports? Yeah, for many years. My first, so like check this out, so like my first, I would say from like eight to 13, I was totally, totally, 100% thinking that I was a professional athlete, right? I love that. I was 100% like I was a professional athlete. I love that.

I was 100% like I'm a professional athlete. I played goalie in hockey. I played lacrosse. I was nasty at lacrosse. Those are hard sports. I played goalie in hockey. I was nasty at goalie. I played catcher in baseball.

My mom's like, yo, why not choose the thing that's not all eyes on you if something goes wrong? Like, she's sitting in the stands like, dude, you're the goalie in the thing that's not all eyes on you if something goes wrong. Like she's like sitting in the stands like dude you're the goalie in the back that if the goal goes in you come home and you're like I want to fucking kill myself. But she was just like alright you got this you know like I was a loner right? I was a loner I was an imagination person so I chose those look you know when I zoom out and look back on it I chose those positions positions because I was like, sitting back in the net, like by myself, surrounded by no one,

just being like talking to myself, like yeah, got this. Like we good, we good. You know? Because maybe in a way you always felt like it was like you against the world. 100%. Yeah, so you went- 100%. Even as a child.

It was always like, I always was like, I cannot rely on anyone else to make me get there. I was always, a lot later into my life, one of my like, basically like mentors in my life told me this thing that changed my life, which was like, your life will be so much better if you can just be 100% responsible 100% of the time. When things go wrong, there is, it's a form of empathy

to just realize that you're responsible somehow for it going wrong. And if you can stop being like, oh, poor me, poor me, and just be like, all right, cool, lesson learned. You'll be so much greater. So yeah, I always had this 100% responsible, 100% of the time I I'm gonna make it happen So it was playing sports and then the wildest thing happened when I was 13, you know, I'm flipping through

ESPN and watching these sports games right professional athletes and then my sister is obsessed with Hanson. Oh Not a Hanson girl over there. No Full on Hanson girl over there. No, full on Hanson, full on Hanson, okay? And we're fighting for the remote and I'm flipping the hockey and she's flipping to Hanson and it just dawns on me I go, I'm watching full on adults with their career. There is no child on the ice in the NHL. Right.

And she's watching children play to an arena of people at a professional level. These kids are like between 10 and 13. I think I can relate more to the youngins on the instruments than I can to the grown-ups on the ice. I was like, Mom, get me a drum set for Christmas. Get me a drum set for Christmas. That was it. You were like, this is my path. Get me a drum set for Christmas.

Were you musically inclined before? Not one bit. Did you sing? Did you write? Not one bit. Really? Always to drawing and painting. OK.

That was always my thing. I think one of my other first career goals. Which is why you like directing now. painting. Okay. That was always my thing. Like, I think one of my other first career goals. Which is why you like directing now. Yeah, yeah. One of my other first career goals was to be a comic book guy. That drew comic books. I love that.

So always into like that side of art. So I connected to that side of art. But as soon as I saw this youngin' with hair down to here, being like 10 years old playing drums to an arena of people. And I realized in that moment, I said, I can't see what the hell the guitar player's doing

from the TV screen. I can't see, I can't tell. This is too confusing for my mind to understand. This piano player, no idea. Can't even see it from the TV. I can just see he's moving his hands. But drums, he's got sticks in his hand and he's got four drums in front of

him I can see every move he's making Wow I was like I can learn from a distance you know I can learn that from a distance from that it led me to finding Travis Barker because I play an instrument too which is piano which I suck at it now but I grew up playing piano and to learn an instrument too which is piano which I suck at it now but I grew up playing piano and to learn an instrument by watching somebody yeah is a fucking talent in its own but you see what I'm saying with drums it's like the only one that you can look and be like but that's still hard you're going like this you're going like this you're going like this no matter how fast you're doing I could

still tell what you're doing that's crazy that you were able to do that. So you got a drum set. And you just sat there. And you watched what? Handsome videos? Like a $100 drum set. Did you discover Blink 182 by then? So I had the drum set.

And I was still in sports at this moment, right? Had the drum set. Would look at it and be like this. And I took lessons for a second. My mom put me in lessons. And I had one lesson. It was from a dude who came over fully drunk and tried to pick up my mom on a date.

And my mom was like, dude, I don't think we can make this happen. I don't think I can just have random men coming to this house to teach you how to play drums. I love your mom. She's the greatest. One day you got to meet her because she is so cool. I just got this awesome new house in Tarzana.

That's my happy place. And she has her own room there full on. And I'm just like, mom, when I get this house, I'm going to get this house. And you have to spend six months of the year at least out here. Period. End of story. You are a mama's boy, true and true, but in a good way.

I love it. I of story. You are a mama's boy, true and true, but in a good way. I love it. I love it. I have great, I have great, I was raised by my mom and my sister, right, completely. Like, I have great female energy to like, make females feel safe and comfortable and open around me. And it's my like, one of my favorite qualities about myself. That's why I'm so not alpha male.

That's amazing. There's too many fucking alphas running around in the world just hurting women. That's why so many women have chosen the bear. Have you seen this whole thing that's going on online where it's like, they're like, if you got, they've asked women, have you seen this thing? If you get lost in like a forest,

would you want to be lost in the forest with a bear or with a man? And about 99% of women have chosen the bear. Is that not fucking insane? That's the fucking world we live in. So we need men like you, Mod. I love it. We need men like you, baby.

That's so real. Please, they need to make more. That's so real. It's wild. But anyways, circling back, so you start playing the drums. Yeah. And is this when you had started? I had heard somewhere that you had started watching the Blink 182 and recording.

Yeah, so like drums sat for a minute, like kind of got a little discouraged. I'm going to look at my notes too, by the way, because we're right here. Please do. Please do. Cut the camera. Cut to me. She's not doing anything. There is nothing.

I'm not texting, I swear. They kind of like went to the wayside because I got a little discouraged, you know, by the lessons and it just, there was only so many little videotapes that she took of Hanson that I could watch. Yeah. I mean, they only had two good hits, right? Yeah.

I mean, don't say that around her. Look at her. She tripping. She tripping. She's like, how dare you? She shows her Hanson tattoo. I was not a Hanson fan. I was not a handsome fan. Was not a handsome fan.

But do you really have a handsome tattoo? OK. I was like, we got to talk about this, sis. They really did only have like two hits, though, that I thought of, right? And what was the other one? That were like mainstream. Give it a goog?

Come on. You can talk. You can talk. Yeah, you can talk. We love that. Yeah, we love that. Oh No, look at she's already well you guys Being a little hard on handsome I love that a different release pattern. I love that. That's amazing. That is hilarious All right, all right, all right. They had two hits. Okay. So

they're looking up to giving them two hits. Okay. Giving them two hits might've been nice. You've never heard. Yeah. You're young. Yeah. You're young. I can already tell. Yeah. Yeah. I already know who Hansen is. She's too young for Yeah, you're young. I can already tell. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I already know Who Hansen is she's too young for you bro 100 percent 100 fucking percent Literally had a conversation with someone the other night. Is that you don't know All right, okay All right, so you started playing these drums and you got tired of fucking Hansen. Yep. Yep Tired of listening to Hansen and then all of a sudden

It must have been 1999 or 2000, like 2000, all of a sudden I see Blink 182, see Travis Barker, I see the coolest looking person I've ever seen in my life, and I'm like watching him play drums and I'm like, oh bet, I was like, I got a drum set in my basement, I was like, it's done. This is the person I connect with, and that was at the time just when Napster and Kazaa

and these other little things that you could download. Oh, that limewire. This is 56K, dial up internet. Yeah, those were the days. I just proceeded to download every single thing. I would have to stay up all night because the phone line would get used. So I'd have to stay up all night and download these things.

And I'd wake up right away in the morning as it was downloading all the, and I'd go and I'd fucking make sure that, did it come through? Okay, but while you could do this, this was actually the greatest thing, while you were downloading something, at these times it took you like three days

to download a music video, you know, real talk. But you could preview, you could preview it while it was downloading. So if it had 15%, you could watch 15% of it. So I would sit this far from the computer screen and watch that 5%, watch that 10%, watch that 15% and sit there and just watching every, I can see everything you're doing, everything you're doing.

And- That is crazy. And proceed to do that. I mean, the whole time my mom is going, get off the internet and go be a normal kid. I can't use the phone. Like, what are you doing down there? And I'm like, guess this internet thing wasn't a fad, mom.

Yeah, right? I guess so. I guess I was kind of onto something, huh? Yeah. And I just proceeded to watch every single thing and was always the kid that was like, oh, I can play one song, time to start a band. So when did you start your first band?

First band, 13 years old. Really? 13 years old. You just fucking were like, one day, this is my 10 year change. You know how you said you change every 10 years? This was your 10 year change, and you were ready to just do something completely different.

I love that about you. And I started it. Started it. And still, again like it was really hard because when I turned 16, right, or just, so right as you're going into high school, so right as you're going into freshman year, that was when hockey,

cause I was like slated to be like a pro goalie. Like I was a good, Minnesota is a hockey town. Yes. And pros come from Minnesota. And my city that I was in, Bloomington, Minnesota is a hockey town. Yes. And pros come from Minnesota. And my city that I was in, Bloomington, Minnesota, we had the scouts would come to our school to pick pros. Right? I was slated to be a professional goalie.

OK? And I was working with goalie coaches and like, you're going to be a pro. Like, we got this. Right? And I had to make like the hardest decision ever at that time, which was going into high school. This is right when it right when it turned into like, okay, sports is a job now because you're gonna go to

school all day. Fucking hated school barely made it through. Same. And then you're going to practice immediately from school. Like your life is just you're you're in a nine to five. You know? And I had to make the choice and be like, no, I'm gonna be a drummer. I'm gonna be a drummer. And I had to quit and everyone,

like I had grown men goalie coaches coming to take me out to lunch to try to convince me otherwise. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Trust me, you're a goalie. You're not gonna be a musician. Do you know how many times at this time I got told one in a million and I was like,

you're looking at the one. You're looking at the one, my boy. That's all it takes. Sorry to say, I'm gonna be the one. And I believed that and I quit every sport Picked up a skateboard started getting really good at skateboarding and my life just became skateboarding drums And wearing dickies down to here and vans and famous stars straps t-shirts And I had to change my whole appearance like overnight like it all changed like I don't care this whole poserism and this whole like

Oh all of a sudden you're dressing the part like this Oh, you like punk musics and all of a sudden you got like Liberty spikes and you're wearing the Sid Vicious chain, like yeah cool, change your appearance. Are people not allowed to grow? Yeah exactly. And experience different. But then again that's the world shutting the door on them. It's like that word poser, it's like yeah for sure. The first day I showed up to the skate park, not knowing how to skate and was like wearing the lame shit like I was posing yeah to be like y'all cuz I wanted to be like y'all but like don't ever for a second doubt that a year later I was one of y'all right right but you put in is everyone not a poser the first day they do something you don't think Van Gogh

picked up a paintbrush and felt like a poser the first time he painted try to paint looking like at other paintings like everyone's a poser the first time they try to do something they want to do. I love that. The fuck is wrong with y'all? Like yeah, yeah it's so real and it's like people just be so afraid of you know whatever it's so easy to do that it's human condition like you want people like you you know. I love that though that even at 13 you had such a confidence and such a strong mindset to say you know know what, no, I don't care that these grown adults are telling me that I'm not gonna make it,

I'm gonna fucking make it. Like I've had that mindset my entire life. Even as a kid, people tell me you're gonna end up barefoot and pregnant, you leave home, I left home at 14 and never looked back. You have to be your fucking number one fan. Nobody else is gonna believe in you the way that you do. And it's manifesting.

You're literally a powerful human being to be able to manifest something like that, especially so young. And to sit there, I'm still mind blown, but to sit there and learn how to play the drums by watching music videos, that's like some fucking crazy, am I allowed to say, is it politically correct if I say it,

but it's like Rain Man shit. You are just zeroed in and fucking just like, you must have like a your IQ must be huge have you ever had an IQ test? No I never have. We need to do one on him. But I really barely I really barely made it out of high school. That doesn't matter. No I know for sure. Some of the smartest people yeah failed in school. For sure. Like the you it's just not at school to me is a trap but don't kids if you're listening go to school. For sure. Go to to school. You have to. Go to experience school.

Yeah, go to experience school and just have your friends and all that stuff. But to sit there and be able to just be so headstrong at such a young age is admirable. Tell me about this first band and where this took you. First band, I mean, the first band was like, was like, you know, a couple of friends. Like this really was when I was 13, 14, and it was just like, you're learning how to play guitar.

Like you're the only one in this city, cause I was in the suburbs surrounded by jocks and cheerleaders for real, like right? That was what it was. It was sports and cheerleading and that's it. So I'm in those suburbs and I found like one kid that could play, that was learning how to play guitar. I was like, we're in a band, you know what I'm saying?

And it was really just me and a guitar player. You know what I'm saying? There was no like, and then we found our like, kind of like other like delinquent homie that we're like, just pick up a bass. Like everyone says like. Slepper the bass. Everyone's like, you know, like anyone can play bass.

Like no disrespect to y'all bass players. But everyone, that's kind of a thing in music. We're like, yeah, you know. Sid Vicious was put in the Sex Pistols because he looked so cool. Right. They were like, you just look so cool. Just pick up the bass, bro.

Yeah. Like, whatever. My dad's a guitar player. Well, was an extremely amazing guitar player. And he, in his latter years in life, just switched over to bass because it was easier. Yeah a hundred percent. I mean you got four strings in you're usually only playing two of them and you only have to do one at a time. And you're just like boom boom boom. Yeah yeah it's awesome you gotta have groove you gotta have like

falling in the pocket but for sure. Yeah. So that band was more just like we're learning our favorite songs. What was the name? Almost There. Ah I love that. Almost There. That's the next band I was in though. We were 16. We're called the Sideline Heroes. I love that. That name still to this day is so cool. Sideline Heroes.

Why haven't you written a song called Sideline Heroes? I know, I do. I really need to. I'd like writer cred for that. We're going to write it together. We're totally going to write it together. You're definitely doing the intro. I know I do I really need to I really need to I'd like writer cred for that We're totally gonna write together you're definitely doing the intro we're taking something from this And and we were rad we were super rad like we we were all like the bad kids in high school we were all the like, you know failing students in high school and the like anti everything, you know know this was like oh this was the this was the revolution starter of guys wearing girls jeans you

know I'm saying and getting hated on yeah guys were wearing skinny jeans back then oh not skinny jeans girls jeans because they didn't even make guys skinny jeans oh so you guys were literally just wearing girls jeans I love that 100% and I I dyed half my hair blonde half my hair black and I came to guys skinny jeans. Oh, so you guys were literally just wearing girls jeans. I love that. 100%. And I dyed half my hair blonde, half my hair black. And I came to school with, I kid you not, a briefcase, not a backpack. I walked through the hallways of high school

with a briefcase and a scarf on in 70 degree weather. You would have been one of my friends in high school. Because I loved anybody who was different. Like, I have always been drawn to the people who are different, because I'm different. So I loved people like you. What was your relationship status in high school? When you started playing in a band,

all the girls start flocking a lot more? You know, like I said, I have female energy. So I always had girls. Yeah, I have female energy. Right. So I always had like girls. Yeah, I always did. Like, and I've been very fortunate with like the females that I've attracted in my life. I don't think you have female energy. I think you have safe energy.

Yeah. And to females, that's huge. Yeah. We don't wanna be around fucking Predator Earl. Yeah. We wanna fucking be around mods. And also not, hey, let me talk to you though in a way that I don't talk around my friends. Right. Not that. I'm like I'm like so the exact

person in front of women and you know what I'm saying? Yeah that's how my husband is. Yeah. He's safe. Yeah. Women are okay being around him and alone with him because they don't have to fear of anything weird and creepy. So I had a I did have a really cute girlfriend in high school for sure. Did you? Yeah. What was her name?

Jenny, Jenny Scoog. Jenny, what's up baby? What's up? And my sister's still friends with her and talks to her at Jackson. But that was like, yeah, that was for sure the first love of my life for sure. We dated like all, I wanna say like all through high school

but she was like the really pretty sweet girl that would come to like, cause we were playing like punk rock shows. There was a venue in Minnesota called The Garage. It was like a youth center and we would play there every weekend and we got big in the city. You know what I'm saying?

We really did. And that led me to being in the first band that really made it type of scenario. The first band I toured with, the first band that ever spoke to a label and any of that. And we were called The Semester. And I got to be in that band because the two really good artists, musicians, that were like music kids, that grew up in church playing instruments and giving guitar lessons to like grown men when they were like fucking 14 you know really good and I was self-taught right yeah they were

really good and I had to like try out to be in their band you know it was like Mike 16 17 like trying out to be in a band like this is wild they were amazing and they were from a different city But the band I was in that was all from my same city would go and we'd play at this youth center And it was a whole scene. It was all the like outcast kids from surrounding areas were there and They were starting a new band and my band was like breaking up and I was like, alright I want to play with these guys and I ended up being in a band with these guys after three trials. You know I ended up playing with them and they would later break my heart and I would later bring them back into my life and

Well, we gotta talk about it. You can't yeah, can't go well really quick. Yeah, not to interrupt. Well. Yeah interrupt you I just wanted to say isn't it crazy how your girlfriend was the sweet girl coming to the bad boys show isn't that so reminiscent of your mom and your dad it really is exactly like that yeah it's so funny cuz I've kind of never like put that together in a string of sentences yeah I had to like circle back to that cuz I just I thought that was really sweet and it totally was like I'm not wrong huh it totally was yeah yeah so what did these boys do to you? What happened? Okay. Well, so like from, so then, so then, uh, I guess like sophomore year now is in this

like really like good band where we were playing every day, writing our own songs, like recording and doing all this. And I was the mouthpiece. I was always the best mouthpiece. Like I wasn't the best artist, uh, musician in the band. Cause I was self-taught, you know? I didn't even understand what timing was, right? I was self taught, you know? I didn't even understand what timing was, right? I was just like, play fast, man,

what are you talking about? You know? And uh, yeah, yeah. We're playing punk music here, who's counting? And I was, I was the mouthpiece though. I would get us into the biggest venue in town. I was like, dude, I was the best at forming an email. I could like hit the sentences that the grownup would be like,

I believe in this kid, right? So I'll get us into the big venues. I would get us on, you know, I would get us on to go do a little four show, little mini tour, talking to other bands from other places. And I was getting the eyes on us, you know? And the whole goal was like, I'm gonna be in this band for the rest of my life.

We got out of high school literally the day after I graduated, and I barely graduated, the day after I graduated, we got in a tour event and went on a three month tour around the country. Wow. Playing shows for 20 fucking dollars, sleeping on people's floor. The whole point of playing a show is to get on stage

and go, hey, we got nowhere to stay tonight, if anyone here wants to let us stay at their house. That whole era of bands is done. It's long gone. My husband used to do that. When we first got together, I've seen him play shows to five people and rock the stage like he's playing a fucking amphitheater.

I'm telling you right now, that's what separates us and them. No, for real. Not that we're putting down new artists now, but it's like you guys really were in these streets. Like you guys had to fucking sleep on people's couches. You guys had fucking, we didn't have a tour van, a tour bus when this shit first started out.

We had fucking a rental car, or when we graduated from the rental car to a Sprinter van, or not a Sprinter, but the 18 passenger. Yes, the white one. And then you would get to a Sprinter van or not a Sprinter but the 18 You would get to the Sprinter but yes, yeah. Yeah, like there's 100% I get it 100% I remember just being like what was your first show like that? You played like for a show ever. Yeah as a drummer. Yeah, for sure ever as a drummer was like At this you got this youth center. Okay Okay so you were 13 when that happened? Yeah that would be like the first show that wasn't like in our living room to

like five people or like my mom and then we can circle back to my first show as Motts On because then you'll see how this whole thing like builds up and then boom and then builds up and then boom like those kind of things and it's been it's been wild with that but so, back to how that broke my heart. We went on this tour, okay? I was like in contact with labels. I was like, this is it, this is my whole life. We got back from that tour.

They called me on three, the other three of them on the phone, go, you're kicked out of our band. You're not good enough. Peace. These were my like best friends. These are everything. They literally looked at me. They literally called me and said,

peace, you're not good enough to be in our band. And that was it. Pulled the rug out. After you guys had just did this tour and fucking were talking, did they get greedy? Pulled the rug out. They just said I wasn't good enough for them. That I wasn't good enough of a drummer.

That's hurtful. And just pulled the rug out. And this is the most beautiful time in my life because it was so, it was so hard and it created exactly where I am today. I went, I was living with my mom still, you know what I'm saying? Super broke, like being in a band, you're broke, like, right?

Like, broke. Starving artist is real. Completely broke. And this is my first now year out of high school. And my mom's like, broke. Starving artists is real. Completely broke. And this is my first now year out of high school. And my mom's like, shit, dude, you were betting everything on this. And like, you literally were like, fuck any other plans in high school

or what I'm supposed to be thinking about. Like, this is all I'm doing. And they just pulled the rug. I mean, my mom's such like a, she's like, I'm going to go knock on their door and talk to their parents. You know, my mom's like, nah. Like, she'll fight for me right same with my sister and uh

But I just like this was my first time ever feeling like depression right? It's my first time I locked myself in my mom's garage, and I was a stoner Oh also I got kicked out of the bank so I was like a stoner and also like had found drugs and like stuff like that Oh, maybe a caveat that I forgot to do that not skip over that Also super straight lace, and I was like I grew up with a dad that I forgot to introduce that. Let's not skip over that, buddy. But these guys were also super straight laced. And I was like, I grew up with a dad telling me to party at age five, guys.

Yeah, drinking Paps Woolers. You guys were in church growing up. And we live a different life. But yeah, I was like. We'll finish that story, and then we'll slugger back to the introduction to drugs. So maybe glossed over that part a little bit. But I love that you take accountability for that,

because a lot of people would not. 100%. I mean, I'll never forget it. Again, I told them I was like, yo, I tried cocaine. And they were like, how dare you? They clutched their pearls. They were like, oh, your life is over. You know?

Like that type of shit. And I was like, yeah, dude, I was on mushrooms the other night. That shit was crazy. You know? They're like, cool. They're like, bro, yeah dude, I was on Mushrooms the other night, that shit was crazy, you know? They're like, cool, they're like, bro, this dude is losing it, you know? So again, I do take responsibility. But the way they went about it,

being like, you're not good enough, you're out, right? That was like heartbreaking. And then to just be like, forget our number, we're never talking to you again. So then anyways, locked myself in my mom's garage, smoked weed all day, and finally connected to Bob Dylan. Because when I was young, it was just, listen to Bob Dylan, listen to Bob Dylan.

When your parents are telling you to listen to something, you're like, no, dog, you're my parents, right? But I was always like, there's something there. And I forced myself to really get into it, and I just smoked weed and listened to Bob Dylan all day, and I was like, that's it. I love this because when I was in bands, I would sing along to songs and then I'd turn them off and I'd be like to my homies who were really good and be like, la da da da

da da da, hey what key am I singing in? You're not even in a key dog, you can't sing, don't ever sing. You know? Telling me, you can't sing, you're not a singer. And I would hear, I hate Bob Dylan's voice, he can't sing. And I'm like, boom, there's our through line. They say this dude can't sing, they say I can't sing, he fucking did something with it,

I'm doing something with it. And that was it, I was like, I'm starting my own thing. And if I can't sing yet, I'll tell you what I can do. Like I'm gonna get there, but I'll tell you what I can do. You play drums, and I got rhythm, and I understand pattern, I'm gonna rap. Wow. You can't tell me I can't talk. Right. rhythm, and I understand pattern. I'm going to rap. Wow.

Can't tell me I can't talk. Right. You know? I love that. So it was like, da-da-da-da-da. I love that nobody can tell you no. A hi-hat's like a rap. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da.

And I was like, cool. I'm going to put that together. So I see a pattern here that all throughout your life, if somebody tells you you can't do something, you're going to fucking prove them wrong. It's, it's my gift and my curse because it goes to authority too. And ruins, can ruin great relationships that I'm in because I cannot be told what to do.

Does that trickle over into like women too? 100%. 100%. I run so far from authority and that's like that's like anyone just being like try living your life the way I live it too and me being like how dare you tell me to change my lifestyle? Yeah. How dare you to tell me that I shouldn't be staying up till 6 a.m every night and sleeping till 2 p.m? How dare you tell me that I should try to like move with the sun? How dare you try to tell me that I should live like this or you know what I'm saying? Yeah and that's like my biggest thing that I'm working on right now is like understanding that like there's a difference between authority of like me being a kid and being like chased by

the cops for skateboarding on a six there. There's a difference between like that authority and be like fuck you and a difference between someone authority and be like, fuck you. And a difference between someone being like, hey, you wanna live how I live too? Yeah. You wanna meet in the middle, dog? You wanna do that and not just be like, I'm your plus one to your life?

Like, 100%. I'm really focused on understanding that, but it's a trigger. Are you in therapy? I have done great great therapy sessions and then I like kind of straight away because of the authority Probably yeah, because you have somebody telling you what true But they've given me so many of those like here's the starting point, right? You know, which is what we like here's the starting point. Like my therapist gave me the greatest piece ever, which was like, this is why you do that,

because like I've seemed to end up in relationships with famous girls, right? It's been like a pattern. And why, you know, people will be like, even my friends, be like, man, you're a star fucker, bro. Yeah Okay, I think you just like strong women. No boom who are driven boom boom I Was in my head being like what is wrong with me? Why am I like like this?

Why am I like so attracted to like a celebrity woman and whatever and it's like my therapist was like, okay so you watch your mom get completely everything taken away from your for your father and think that she was feel worthless and powerless and you've seen you know her be abused in multiple ways you want to be with a strong woman and the industry you're in the strong women you're surrounded by are the ones with fame. If you were working in an office you'd want to fuck the CEO. Yeah. You feel me? And there's nothing wrong with that. And I was just like boom I feel so much better about myself. I was like damn I'm a star fucker like what is that? I'm like, well, I am from Minnesota, small town.

I used to see magazine covers and be like, one day. You're trying to rationalize it, but there's nothing wrong with wanting a strong woman who has her own shit going on. 100%. 100%. It's the independence, I think, that attracts you to women who are famous because they can do

whatever the fuck they want because they have their own money. Yep. So yeah, it does circle back to childhood trauma, but it doesn't always mean that it's a negative thing. True, truly, truly. So yeah, it does circle back to childhood trauma, but doesn't always mean that it's a negative thing. True. You know, so. Truly.

Truly. And I am like, where's the normal girl in my life that works at Starbucks or something? Can we talk about some of your relations? We're going to circle back to the drug thing too. I haven't forgotten. But can we talk about some of your relationships? Yeah. I did see a couple of them online.

Some girls that you have been with. And I mean like Bella Thorne, beautiful, strong woman. Take me on that journey. Dude, that was a really fun one and then ended really traumatically and stuff. And that was just like, this was when I was a drug addict and alcoholic. And this was like, met her through friends, was like,

look at this wild child girl. I was also in this very hippie-ism, the way I live life is very hippie, you know what I'm saying? And she was on that, you know? I was like, this girl with hairy armpits, it's so beautiful. I was like, why is that so attractive to me? Because she's a rebel, baby.

It was. Like, it really was. I was like, you're so, like, just naturally, like, don't give a fuck and whatever. So just like so many amazing times with her. And you know, I do have this, like, not only with authority, like, I don't want to be the plus one. So it is hard to, like, match the energy of, like, oh,

you're, like, more popping than me. You know? And so a lot of it was that, but I was super supportive and I loved watching her shine and she was very, you lived her life in a grown way and took care of things and all that, but it ended poorly, you know what I'm saying?

We were in this, maybe we're in like a like polyamorous like like throuple relationship with this other person and I'm a jealous fucking person too. Even if it's another female? Oh yeah. Oh he said oh yeah. I'm just so jealous. Yeah. Because you're a lover boy. I'm so jealous yeah I have a jealousy thing again like I know my things to work on. When was your birthday? March 10. I swear to God, we've been sitting here this whole time, and in my head, Pisces just keeps fucking replaying.

That is fucking wild, dude. Total Pisces. Yeah, I love that. I'm a Pisces Venus, so I love hard. When we love, it's like an ocean. And I dive off the cliff, too. I dive off the cliff into it. And so anyways, like,

this was definitely like one of my first, like really, really, you know, I'd love to beat the two and a half year mark, but these things with me seem to last like two and a half years, you know? And it was two and a half years of my life. That's when you really get to know somebody though. And that's when the masks start falling off.

Like people always say, oh, it's the first six months. No, it's not. It could be over a year. And you don't really get to know somebody until like a year and a half, two years into the relationship. My husband and I fought like cats and dogs the first three years of our relationship.

I do not know how we fucking survived it and made it to where we are because we literally had to learn to, one, we had to learn that we were both trash bags and then we had to unpack the trash together and then we had to decide like hey are we gonna continue to fucking be trash bags or are we gonna fucking try to just level up together and I think that in relationships and a real partnership but you know that's what two and a half two years is or two

and a half years is where you get to a point of like, it's make or break. And if two people can't decide, hey, we wanna do this together and level up, which a lot of people aren't built like that anymore. Like, heaven forbid, if anything ever happened, I would never wanna date in this fucking society again, because nobody knows how to work on things

and like really fucking struggle with somebody. You know, like people don't they want they want the happiness and they want the fairy tale but they don't want to struggle they don't want the lows they want the highs you know what I'm saying so I think that's probably where you're meeting that situation over and over again is because you're picking partners who don't want to do the work or maybe you at that moment didn't want to do the work Sorry, I'm not I'm not trying to over here be a therapist or anything

I'm actually like tuned into these conversations more than ever because I'm like do I like just die alone like for real Like is that my journey and like like look like like obviously it sounds whatever but it's also like so romanticized to me cuz I'm like like look, like, like obviously it sounds whatever, but it's also like so romanticized to me. Cause I'm like tortured, locked up artist in the middle of the woods, painting and smoking cigarettes and writing books. Would you choose the bear or the man? The bear, what? Cause you said you were in the middle of the woods.

So would you, would you? The bear all day. And that would be the same if I was a female too. I'd be like, the bear, bro, the bear. You said the bear, what? Yeah, a hundred percent. So I just wanted to make you bear. The bear. You said the bear, what? Yeah, 100%. Sorry, I just wanted to make you laugh. You're not going to die alone.

You're not. You know what? There's a girl. I know when I say that, it sounds like one of those things. But I am like, I'm such a lover boy in those things where I'm just like, who? Like, yeah. Yeah, I know it sounds like sad.

But to me, it's so romanticized and so just like you know What like I've had it I felt it and like we'll see what happens, but I'm I am You have with other things, you know You have manifested not that a woman will make you any more than you already are your whole by yourself But you have manifested everything in your fucking life. Yeah. You are going to manifest the perfect woman for you. Yeah. You just have to believe that. True.

You have believed in yourself and everything else that you have done in this life. You have to start believing it. Yeah. Stop romanticizing being alone and start romanticizing falling in love. Start visualizing your perfect girl. I would tell you a trick to do, but I don't know if I'll get in trouble on the podcast. But it's like a... Well, then cut it if to do, but I don't know if I'll get in trouble on the podcast, but it's it's it's like a Well, then cut it if it is but tell me. Okay, so when you're masturbating, yeah

Me me is like, oh, here we go. So when you're when you're no when you're masturbating envision the perfect woman that you want yeah and Masturbate to her and to you, you know fruition fruition. That's great because I don't watch porn. That's manifesting though. But they say, I don't know if it's like a witchcraft thing or a spell thing, I'm not into that. But they say that if you do that, you're literally manifesting the person that you want.

And these people will start coming into your life. It's real, try it. Let me know how it goes. Uh oh. Call me afterwards. I'm like, I gotta get past some of this previous manifesting that I've been doing. Yeah, clear the slate. Should have told me that like 20 years ago maybe? Clear the slate. So if you're jerking off to celebrities, you're manifesting celebrities.

Yeah, yeah. You see that? You know, so. Wait, wait. I'm thinking, I'm thinking maybe the therapist was wrong about the whole like started the trauma. I think we just actually found the reason Yeah, wasn't the like mom thing it's like what you've been it's a smorgasbord of all of it But I mean if you are whacking off to celebrities that makes sense, you know, so I said moving on to know It's back in the it's the imagination. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But I do think watching porn fucks you up. Yeah. I don't- see, I don't mind porn. It doesn't bother me, but I- when it's a problem.

Yeah. Like if you're watching porn more than touching your partner, then that's a problem. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Which that happens in a lot of relationships. Oh, 100%. Yeah.

Yeah, definitely. 100% Yeah. Moving on to your next relationship, the one that, your most recent one. Most recent, yeah. Can we touch on that one? Yeah, certainly. That was a brutal year for you last year.

Yeah. Can you take me on that journey? How did you meet Avril? We met through music, you know, we met through music. And it was like, it was a great time. Like, I worked on an album that she was doing. And we had a song of mine together. And, um. It's called, what is it called? Our song is called Flames.

Flames, yeah. You guys gotta listen to the song. It's a great song. Yeah, it's a great song. And like, we met through like a really awesome way, which was making music, you know? And it was lovely. And she was like, true talent being around like really true talent especially was

as like I write songs for other artists as well you know and produced for other artists as well and she it was like amazing like coming up with an idea and seeing someone like so fucking talented sing it and it was like it was it was incredible and also I've known who she was since I was a very young kid in fucking Minnesota. I heard you had her posters on your wall. 100% at a poster. See? Start whacking off, Mob. Yeah. All right. Start manifesting and whacking off. That's your homework.

And she was, yeah, yeah. So it was like just a really- Sorry sister. It was a really beautiful time when we met and it was also in the pandemic. So like we, you know, like I said, I dive in fast as fuck. I just like completely dive into something. And I think she was that way as well. And we just like ended up immediately being with each other and living

together and it was in the pandemic where we're all stuck inside anyway so it was like it was a way to get to know somebody really fast though yeah because that's what my husband and I did yeah got married a month after meeting yeah and like that's that's like how I've always been hop into the fucking frying pan yeah like we're gonna figure this shit out yeah and um and yeah it was like a really incredible time she was like, hop into the fucking frying pan. Like, we're going to figure this shit out. And yeah, it was a really incredible time. She was a very, she's a grown woman. And that was a wonderful change for my relationship types to be with.

That's the most amazing compliment that you can give a woman. I love that. Well, yeah. And again, I want to give anyone that I was in a relationship the compliments. You know what I'm saying? When we spoke about Bella a second ago,

it was like I was directing a video for a band called Palet Royal yesterday. And they're friends with her. And the whole concept of the video, even if this doesn't make it in, I'd love to tell you this. It's really great. They don't even know that I'm making this video for them. Okay? Their mother passed away last week, they're three brothers in a band, okay? Their mother just passed away and they have this giant song that's so good

that was already slated to come out and they're like, their label's like, we can we shoot a video? Please, it's sensitive time. Like, we can't, we won't be on camera. So their management came to me and was like, can you put something together? And the whole thing is friends and fans and other people from big bands coming together to create this moment of a special video for them. Not like a sad video at all.

Not like a dedication to their mom. Nothing like that, cause the song's very upbeat. It's like showing them, we got your back. And also when you do a their mom, nothing like that, cause the song's very upbeat. Fellowship. Yeah, it's like showing them like, we got your back. And like also like when you do a guerrilla video like that, where you're just kind of like all coming together on the spot, it's like usually just thrown together. Like I shot them like an expensive, crazy art video. Anyways, tell me back.

They, their management knows that they're like good friends with Bella and they were like, yo, would you be comfortable if we invited her? And I was like, literally was like, I would love to say hi to her and give her a hug and send her my love. You know what I'm saying? I was like, I would love that, you know? A year after we broke up, I was like, if I ever see you in public, like, I'm gonna just give you the dirtiest look. But it's like, I have nothing but, you know but love for that. So like, draw me back.

Like, yeah, it was being with a grown woman. It was awesome. It was, we're two different people, but it was great. I think I had a great influence on her. I think she could have had a really more wonderful influence on me just from the side of like grownup and being a grownup kind of you know, because I'm learning later in life of how beautiful it is like I'm like I said,

I'm very secure of who I am right now and I've been a little lost in the last like three years as far as like where do I fit in or who am I and you know, there was there's great things that I could have like taken out of it, but that just sends you a message again of you're not good enough. Yeah, yeah certainly, certainly and like on top of that too it's just like I had to like really regain this big, big empathetic heart that I've been missing for a long time and like it's really come around lately, this leading with empathy.

I pray every single day, right? And in my prayers, I'm just like, allow me to lead with empathy and be a shining light. And my form of empathy is just finally attached to being like, dude, you gotta get outside of yourself. And when someone does you wrong, stop thinking, fuck them. You did me dirty, I'm out for revenge and this and that.

Start being like, just be in their position. Step outside. And things have formed in my life lately where I was just like oh my god I don't I can't have any of those feelings or anyone I couldn't force myself to anymore you know if we had done this like talk like three months ago I might have been like man fuck that person I want I want ouch she hears this you know what I'm saying I'm just like yo run into you all of love I hope you're well cuz I in a healing though. Yeah being able to you know put I don't

Maybe it's egos maybe heartbreak aside and be like hey man. I understand you were going through your own shit, too Even though you fucking shattered my heart. Yes stomped on it on the way I still love you, and I am responsible for what happened as well. In some way it trickles down to that. It's like, you know, I didn't give you what you communicated and a lot of times too what you needed, you know? And like that was another great thing I learned from the relationship was communication. Cause like I'm like a run from the problem person. I'm like literally like leave the house. Like I don't want to fight. I'm out run from the problem person. Literally, leave the house. I don't want to fight.

I'm out of here. When you calm down, I'll be back. That's so corny. That's so the wrong way to go about things. And so my communication skills have gone through the roof lately, and just being empathetic. And also, I don't think it's hard to get there when you're not in a good place Yeah, well you're when you're still emotional

Yeah, when you're still on the other side of it being like man, but like I I feel like shit right now How am I supposed to be happy for you? But it's like it's okay. Yeah, you felt like that, too Yeah, I know I know and that's what you know, my best friend is is machine on Kelly and he is He is he is I I talked to he is, he is, he is, he is, I, I talked to him. If I'm not with him that day, I talked to him on the phone for three hours every day. And he is like, we are so there for each other. It is like literally I, I, I talking about all these relationships and stuff, having

felt emotional. I feel emotional talking about how much I fucking love my best friend. He is like the greatest. Tell me about you guys's relationship. I want to hear all about it. Look at my eyes right now. I know that's what I want to hear about it. Alright we're back guys ladies and gentlemen we just had to take a bathroom break Mod's eyes were floating. Extremely caffeinated right now. Extremely caffeinated. So tell me about you and MGK's relationship because you got a little teary-eyed before you had to go pee. Yeah I did, I did, I did because he we met each other we've known each other for over a decade now. He has seen, he sees me the way I would love the

world to see me right and like I think I'm a pretty good representation of that. You know what I'm saying? but he really a hundred percent is just like I Want you to I want the world to see how I see you, you know and he is that person in my life that is Like he has like the truest like love for me as a person, you know? And wants to see me succeed and wants to see me happy. And when I say these things too, like, am I just gonna die alone? He's like, bro, no, but you gotta start looking at the right.

But that's why I was really talking, because we really talked to each other for three hours a day right now, just about like such real life stuff and real life things, as well as him. Like, you know, the next song I'm releasing is a song that I played for him and he was like, yo, it's great, this is gonna be your greatest song,

but I wanna help you take it there, you know? I wanna help you take it there. And then- Is it rap or is it rock? It's a little bit, it's definitely not rock, but there is a little bit of my like rap influence in it. And it's an interpolation and I think we're gonna maybe talk about like dropping this

right around the release of the song. Yeah, absolutely. When will it be releasing? What? When will it be released? June 7th. Okay. Yeah, June 7th is when we're releasing it. And it's like me interpolating You Are My Sunshine, which is like in this such cool way. It's like so cool how we did it and how we made it happen. But I've always been avoiding writing the sun song like Mod Sun, Modern Sunshine. Like I've always been avoiding like writing the sun song like, oh, I don't wanna put my finger on the pulse like that.

And like I finally did. And I found this like really awesome way to do it. And it's like my favorite I've ever sounded my like coolest lyrics that I just feel like a different artist right now. And every time I listen to it, it's like my favorite I've ever sounded my like coolest lyrics that I just feel like a different artist right now and every time I listen to it, it's like the first time but But he's there for me that for that kind of thing and then as well in his music like I've written songs with him for his music and and we just look to each other for that but more more importantly like our bond as friends is so

powerful it is so powerful. It is so, you know, meeting in the middle of two totally different people. We're two totally different people and so opposite and I've just never had a friend that like truly like cares about me the way that he does. I don't know if I've ever had anyone in my life that cares about me the way he does. He's your soulmate. Yeah, like he really is. We were meant to be best friends in this life and probably crossed paths in another life. You guys were probably brothers in another life. He's in your soul family for sure. Yeah, cool. And it's so funny, Megan

said stuff like that for sure too. She's like, you know. But yeah, I've just never I've never felt like someone be so You know, I don't feel like a burden to him at all. Like if anything, it's like I'm I don't tell him enough You know, and I've been really good my whole life avoiding Conversations about myself, you know, I really like to be the person I read the 48 laws of power way too early in my life, and the first rule is never try to outshine the person in the room. You know?

I don't know if I agree with all of the 48 laws. Fuck no! And also, it's one of those books that if you have read, you just don't tell people you've read it. I feel like it was written by a narcissist or something. Yeah, yeah, no, certainly. I didn't know if it was okay to say that because I didn't know if that was your thing. And because I didn't know if that was like your thing.

And it's also one of those books that I'm like, yeah, I'm just not gonna tell anyone I've read that because they immediately are like, if they've read it too, they're like, oh, so you're an asshole too. Yeah, kindred souls. They're like, oh, so you're just like playing me right now. I tried to get into it because I went through a whole spiritual, I've been going on my spiritual journey since fucking I got sober and 2017 and to now and so I went through a phase where I like wanted to read books and I was like this is what I'm gonna do even though I have ADD and fucking can't do it but I can listen audiobooks all day long. 100%. Fucking reading them can't do it.

It's a task. Literally. You got to really plan out. You have to push yourself to do it. Push yourself and plan. And plan. It's weird how much you plan. It's like people are supposed to just like be like, oh yeah, this is my like read a book time. And it's like, it feels like serious work.

It's like school. I do the same thing. I'm like, I'm going to read a book a week this year. And I'm like, I get like one month into it. I'm like, I'm going to read a book a month. My husband will do that and he'll read four books in a week and then he won't read for the rest of the year. Yeah. He's like like I've taken all I need from it. Yeah Yeah, literally, but I did I tried to read the 48 laws of attraction and I fucking started reading it And I was like is this like some fucking like weird linguistic if I can hypnotic

Program your mind type shit I don't want to consume this and there's there was information in it that I was able to like put towards my life Yeah, and then there was also stuff that made me way less human, right? Like yeah, I'm successful, but I hate myself Like the hustled everybody around me to get here what the fuck yeah, no crazy, right? Yeah I love hearing that about um you and kells relationship because which i just recently started calling him kells because my husband does thank god yeah they actually called me when they're in the studio yeah because jelly walked in was

like hey man do i like call you like colson now or something and kells like hold that thought he got me on facetime and he was like hey yo what should jelly call me and i was like, hold that thought. He got me on FaceTime and he was like, hey, yo, what should Jellie call me? And I was like, bro, if you don't call him Kels, I'm going to be so bummed. I was like, you know him, right? I hate the Kelsen thing. I'll never call him that. That's the first time it's come out of my mouth, actually, ever, is that.

It's so proper. I only call him Kels and I'm just like, hate the like, oh, I know Kelsen, like that thing. When people say, I know Jason, I'm like, oh, you don't know him. Jason's my husband. Yeah, exactly. I was like, I think you're talking about Jellie. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, exactly. But I love that you said that about him because I got that feeling about him too, because I'm really protective about my husband and who he brings around. And I'm always the, I'm the wife who's like, keep an eye on him. And every time I say that something fucking proves right and then when I met Kels I looked at both of them and I was like I'm so

glad you guys have this friendship I was like you guys both need each other because I feel like he needs a big brother yeah and I feel like Jay needs a little brother yep and I feel like and we get you too. That's what I was like watching them on the studio the other day. Yeah, we get you two. So now it's like, it's just a sweet little family vibe. Yeah, I mean, my other thing with Cal's too is I'm just like, you know, he's had a hard time truly being, so what he says to me, I want the world to see you how I see you, I'm like that times 10 with him, because I'm like, you're so fucking misunderstood. If anyone got to have one conversation with him, they'd be like sweetest guy ever.

Nicest person. Like love this person to death. Cool as fuck. Not arrogant. So humble. So everything. It's just the perfect fucking human being of like everything.

And he's definitely opposite of what I thought. When I first, cause I've had girls on the podcast who have dated him. And, you know, they didn't, of course, they didn't have great things to say, but you get this idea of somebody once you hear it from numerous people. So when I met him, I was like,

oh, this is just a sweet boy who has a wallop. You know, like. 100%. And it was just like, oh, I get it now. You know, so it makes sense. And genuine and authentic and all the greatest qualities of a person.

And I can't wait, you know, I think he should, I think he should do your podcast. I think he should do a podcast in general. I'm like, it takes 10 clips to rewrite his narrative. And I just can't wait for the world to really know. And that's not even saying that they don't. Like he has millions of people that love him. Oh, absolutely.

It's really just being like, I can't wait for the other million that are out there that don't understand him to understand who he really is because he's the fucking greatest person I've ever met in my entire life. He's lucky to have a best friend like you. I'm so lucky to have a best friend, and the caveat on that is now we live two minutes

from each other, and like it'll be 3 a.m And he just like walks in my door or vice versa and it's so great. It's the family you needed Yeah, you know you got your sister. No, you don't have any brothers, right? No, there you go. I have a step brother Oh gotcha. Yeah, I have a step brother super cool so Take me on the sobriety journey because you said that you're about to hit five years. I'm about to hit five years. Congratulations Thank you so much sobriety journey because you said that you're about to hit five years. I'm about to hit five years. Congratulations. Thank you so much. Sobriety fucking sucks.

I tell everybody that. But it's like, it's the realest journey. And when I say sobriety sucks, I mean that in like a joking way because you really get to know yourself. And you have to fucking deal with some of the hardest shit you've ever dealt with in your life the minute you decide to become sober. I mean, it changed everything about me also. The time that, you know, you can kind of backtrack to five years from now or five years ago where

the world of like cocaine, which was my fucking everything, you can kind of track where it got really scary and it's right around that point. When did you start using? 2011. Okay, how old were you? I was what? So I was like 21 type shit like 20. I'm sorry, like 23, 22. So maybe it was early in the, I started, I really started doing cocaine at like 22 years old. Gotcha. Yeah. And like, and was that person, it's really started doing cocaine at like 22 years old. Gotcha. Yeah. And like, and was that person, it's so funny, cocaine is such a fucked up drug because it was like, I was anti that anyone who ever like did it around me,

I was like, oh my God, what the fuck? Yeah. Dude, I did one line, I was addicted from the first line. Cause you have that gene. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You probably get it from your dad. Yeah, and total alcoholic, I mean, my dad passed away from being an alcoholic,

and party animal, and was literally doing cocaine with me up when I was fucking fucked up, for real. So dad resurfaced? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I would love to get into all that, too, if we, I know we've been talking for fucking, what seems like. It's about you. If you want to talk about it, you can talk about it. I'm here. I love this. I'm not kicking it's about you. Yeah, if you want to

Time I Was addicted from the first line of cocaine I did I have the alcoholic gene where it's like I can just go and go go go go go make and And being on stage and being in that lifestyle and being all that it was always like I wanted to be the best at everything so it became be the best drug addict be the best alcoholic and when you're trying to be the best drug addict and best alcoholic it means you do more than anyone else yeah you know and cocaine is a funny fucking thing because when you first start doing cocaine it's like yo like you

want to do like you want to do like let's do okay on the table right here in front of us and it quickly turns into by yourself in the bathroom you know or like if you had a couple drinks oh yeah oh yeah but I was like a dark addict you know what I'm saying I was by myself doing eight balls, by myself. I did that one night. Not to party. Just to fucking. Just sitting behind a microphone, just like, all right, I'm making this song, you know what I'm saying?

Like all night, I mean, it was bender after bender after bender, like I was a up for three days type of person and addict, and it went on for, you know, like over a decade of my life. And to the point that there was like really scary times, really times where I was like able to hide it. Cause that was a fun, the whole thing is I was functioning.

I was a functioning addict alcoholic, right? But to pass out, to finally pass out after being like tweaked out on cocaine for two days, my thought in my head was that I had to slam a bottle of whiskey to do it. So it was just like the cocktail that kills you. You know? Yes, absolutely.

I used to do cocaine and Xanax. That was my shit. So I'd get so low that I'd need to come back up and then I'd have to go back down again. My heart is fucked from all of it. Yeah, 100%. 100%. Yeah. My heart is fucked because it's just like needs

stimulation so much that now I'm like, like I said, I've drank fucking four shots of espresso today and a C four. And I'm like, but my I don't know. I don't know. Like that's kind of like I operate in those ways. And it's not great. But but regardless of that. So like I have been going, going, going on this journey and I basically, one day after, funny enough, why I also have so much love in my heart for Bella, who we were talking about earlier,

is that was the reason I got sober, was the end of that relationship. That relationship ended, funny enough, at Coachella. So fucking LA. I was about to say an LA love story. Yeah it was so gross. It ended at Coachella. It ended at Coachella like literally at the festival and I had a friend who lived out in the middle of Joshua Tree and had just had like Airstream trailers and I just took all my drugs in a backpack and went to this Airstream trailer in the middle of Joshua Tree and Was like holed up in there for two days to the point that like my friend

Was just with last night shut up losty He he was like my quote-unquote like assistant like living with me at the time Kind of a caretaker in a lot of ways cuz I was like in my really bad phase of being an addict He like had to drive down from LA to Joshua Tree, throw me in the, he found me in an Airstream in the middle of Joshua Tree, passed out with a bag of cocaine on my fucking chest, legitimately, and threw me in the back of the car

and drove me back up to LA, and from that moment on, I went on a six day bender that, if I shut my eyes for maybe an hour Every three days during that like I really was like pushed it to my limits and Like on a suicide mission. I really did I really did and it was also just mixing like fucking lipids and and Academy and all the all the ridiculous like stupid just like ridiculous. But anyways After this like long I wasn't at was staying at my house

I was staying at my friend's house after this long like Four or five days of being at my friend's house just out of my mind I like came back to my house and Line up this like really that fucking caterpillar lining cocaine, snorted it in my eyes and rolled it into the back of my head. And my guy who I was talking about, Losty, basically like found me just fucking out, down and out, like on my bathroom floor, like came to,

didn't have to go to the hospital, came to and was really like, damn, that was it. Like I just got my second lease on life. I'm fucking done. I'm fucking done. I'm fucking done. And I quit. I'm so happy you. And I quit.

And to everyone out there that is at all thinking of sobriety or what can come with it or how to do it or whatever, I look at it in a way that I also made this great trade. And it's like, again, the world makes you think that it's not okay to ask for something when you're doing something that's good for yourself, right? Oh, I asked for something, okay?

I was like, I knew cocaine was gonna kill me from literally a year into doing it. I was like, cocaine is going to kill me, okay? I had these big wide dreams in my eyes of being super successful as a musician and, you know, getting the big record deal and making it and getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and all that. And I was blocking my blessing because I was bringing around a suitcase filled with shame everywhere I went. Okay? I felt shameful every time I did a lot of cocaine, okay?

So I can be working as hard as I've ever worked and going so hard and making great things and doing all this, but I am telling whatever is up here, I'm a God person ever since I got sober. It brought me to like faith and God and all that. Before it was just like the universe and you're just telling whatever you believe in that you don't deserve it because you feel shame about yourself. Now if you're an addict

that doesn't feel bad about fucking drinking or doing drugs or any of that, I don't think you're blocking your blessing. I don't think it's great for you but I don't think you're blocking your blessing because you're not telling the higher power that I'm a piece of shit. I was telling the higher power I'm a piece of shit. I don't deserve it, I don't deserve it. And so the second that I got sober, I was like, check it out. I was like, God, I was like, whatever this is that I'm talking to,

like, I'm gonna show you that I'm worth it, and I'm gonna make the great trade. And the great trade is I am going to change my life and stop all this shame, put down the cocaine, put down the alcohol, put down the drugs, and in return, I want you to give me my dreams. I want you to give me my fucking dreams. And I swear to you not, like, within a year,

like every one of those dreams that I hadn't checked off of my bucket list happened, just like that. And I'm just like, yeah, it can sound selfish to be like, I want something in return, but I fucking did, and I fucking got it, and it helps me stay sober knowing that like I owe a favor I even owe a favor of being like thank you so much. You did it and like whatever I do from here on out Fucking extra credit. It's extra credit because I know that I asked you for a specific thing and you fucking gave it to me That's amazing. That is a beautiful story.

I love that even in your lowest moment, because most people will like overdose or go through something like that and they'll be like, oh, I made it. Maybe I should do it again. Or they don't learn their lesson. And in that moment, you were like, no, fuck this. I'm fed up and I'm gonna do better.

And it seems to be a pattern in your life of proving that you are worth it. and I think that stems from maybe your dad not coming around as a little boy and but that's been your drive yeah what has been your cross to bear has also been your saving grace you know and it's beautiful you're awesome no but it's so real and I'm so proud of you. Thank you. I'm genuinely proud of you. That's why I say sobriety does suck, but it's the most rewarding journey you will ever be on.

Yeah. And I think a lot of people in this world need a role model like you. They need somebody who looks like you, cool, and tattoos, and is in the music industry that is showing, hey, I have fucking struggled my ass off, but I'm still fighting. I'm still here You're not gonna keep me down and that's that's a role model to me. That's what people need I love that and now I would love to be that would love to be able to do that for anyone You know that is that is truly my goal like in my prayers too, I'm just like, allow me

to be of service. Allow me to be of service today to all the people down here. And just reminding myself that that service can come as far, it can be as huge as saying something that changes someone's life. It can be as small as holding the door for someone, you know? And just lead with that, keep this light around you, and finding your worth and finding your purpose and all that is really important. But it all boils down to, dude, how are you just proud of yourself? How are you just proud of yourself?

How did you do something nice today that made you feel proud of yourself? Yeah, that's so real. Can you talk about doing drugs with your dad? Like he came back around and yeah, like, yeah, yeah, 100%. So like my, um, my father, we, we had these points in our life where I would go years without talking to him, you know, through being like, man, fuck you, you're a piece of shit or fuck you. You hurt my sister. You know,

her relationship was even harder like with him in a lot of ways, you know? piece of shit, or fuck you, you hurt my sister. You know, her relationship was even harder, like with him in a lot of ways, you know? And like, you know, you can fucking go outside if you need to, because I know you can start crying if I start talking about shit. I have dad trauma too, so I'll probably cry with you guys. I'll give you a big hug, I promise. Aw, I'm sorry.

And so like, you know, he was a couch surfer, hustler all the way until the day he died. But basically we had gone years without talking to each other and his girlfriend one day, cause I had moved, so he was living out in Long Beach. I got, by the way, I got sent out in the middle of high school, senior year, my mom couldn't, couldn't handle me anymore cause I was just

like a troubled kid. She sent me to go in the high school, live with my dad in couldn't handle me anymore because I was just like a troubled kid. She sent me to go in high school, live with my dad in Long Beach, which was like the funniest decision she could ever make because it was just like insanity. But- It's a free for all. Yeah, yeah.

And so we would connect and then I was on tour one time. This is why we had our big fallout. I was on tour one time and I ended a tour in California. This was like broke boy touring still, I was still in a band. And I came and stayed at his house and I was there and like we got wasted together. Me and my band was there, we were having like this like party, we got wasted together.

I walked out on the streetlights with him, he looked at me, both of us fucking blackout drunk. He looked at me and he was like, the doctor told me I had got a month to live. And I was like, what the fuck And I was like, what the fuck? I was like, what the fuck? I was like, I'm not going back home. Like my band can go back home without me.

This is when I literally like was like out. Cause okay, it's a funny, I kind of skipped over something in the band thing. I got kicked out of that one band. I got picked up by another band to play drums. That led me to be in this giant band called Scary Kids. Scaring Kids playing drums. Oh, I remember them. Yeah, I played drums to them. And it all worked out. My first tour ever as Mod Sun was Scary

Kids, Scaring Kids going, yo, will you play drums for us? And I was like, I'll only do it if I can open as Mod Sun. Wow. So my whole first- Where did the name Mod Sun come from? It stands for Movement on Dreams, Stand Under None. I looked up at the sky one night. I said, what is my name?

It came into my head, and I never questioned it. Came into my head, M-O-D-S-U-N. What does that mean? Movement on Dreams, Stand Under None. What does that mean? Modern Sunshine. Like, that was it. And I never questioned it once. There was never any other name.

It happened in one minute. You're so spiritual without even really knowing it. For sure. Yeah. I mean, you might questioned it once. There was never any other name. It happened in one minute. You're so spiritual without even really knowing it. For sure. I mean, you might know it now, but back then, I don't know if you did. I like to believe it. It's hard to convince yourself sometimes that you're connected to something, but I believe it.

For sure. But my first tour as Mat-san was literally performing to a post-hardcore crowd, being just boot off stage. Coming out rapping over Miley Cyrus party in the USA. I would pay to see that. Somebody give me the footage. Yes, real talk.

It's out there. I'll send it to you. But anyway, so I go after this tour and my dad's like says this to me and I'm like, yo, everyone can whatever. I got my laptop with me. I'm just gonna work on the Smod Son music that I really believe in.

And he never mentioned it again after that night. And he didn't die. And I didn't see him go to the hospital. And I was like, what the fuck is going on here, dude? Like, why would you tell me that? And nothing happened. And I was like there for like fucking like four months like being like what the fuck is going on yeah and I'm not gonna say what I think was going on

because I truly don't know but I didn't talk to him for like two or three years after that you know what I mean do you think maybe he knew he had a terminal illness and just didn't know how to tell you or do you think I don't think it was I think it was something else that I would hate to say if because if I was wrong I would feel like an asshole but it was a form of manipulation yeah I think maybe I'm fucking wrong and he just was cured I don't know yeah I don't know, but it fucked me up. And I went like two or three years.

It's the one last piece of trauma, dad, thank you. I went like two or three years without talking to him. And then all of a sudden I was living in California. Okay, I had moved out to California. By this time, fast forward three years. I'm living in California, I'm living up in North Hollywood. And his girlfriend called my sister and was like yo your father's in the hospital He's on like not like life support, but maybe like something like that like dialysis or something

Yeah, are you talking about when he started living with me? Okay, so I guess he was in a coma I Love how detached you were from it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're like no more pain. No, no, no, no, no, but check this out. I drive down there, okay, drive down to the hospital. My sister's still living in Minnesota at the time she flies out and basically his girlfriend

had to show up to be like, here's your dad's bag, he can't live with me anymore. Okay? Kicking him out which I don't fucking blame her at all dude was like a fucking crazy right so I'm like here we go again let's open the door move up to North Hollywood with me my dad ends up literally sleeping on my couch like I'm talking my grown-up father like sleeping on my couch and like being like my kid and my dad knows that when I'm talking Like this I'm not talking down because I in the same sense

It's I'll be like coolest dude that I ever lived Coolest fucking dude that I ever lived and I would not be me without him, you know, this is not like hate train This is just like what it was, you know hurt it's pain that you're allowed to talk about Yeah, and and you know, so he starts living with me and we're having a great time because this is like my friend you know this is like truly my friend and and so you know we're living at this house in North Hollywood which is where my like cocaine days like really got out of control I'm talking like the ugly cocaine where you just have like a plate out at all times.

I had a candle like a candle holder yeah that times. Been there, done that. Yeah. I had a candle, like a candle holder, that had lines just lined up on it all the time. We think it's so glamorous. It's so cool. Oh, yeah. It's so MySpace. Yeah. So rich.

I know. I know. And yeah, I mean, he just proceeds. What really fucked up was that the doctor was like, dude can never drink again. You know, if he ever drinks again, he's going to die. Did he have cirrhosis of the liver? Yeah. So it was like, he ever drinks again, he's gonna die. Did he have cirrhosis of the liver? Yeah. Okay. So it's like he ever drinks again, he's gonna die. He's in your care. And I'm like, I'm like, Dad, you can't drink. You cannot drink because

you're not dying on my hands. You cannot drink. He's like, didn't tell me I can't do coke. Right? They just don't want help, man. That's how my parents are. I'm like, you're not wrong. I'm like, shit, it's 3 AM. I'm by myself. You want to, I guess, just blow these lines down. Like, yeah, you're not wrong. They didn't say that, you know?

They just said no alcohol. And again, dude was so cool. I wish everyone in the world could meet him because he was so cool and charismatic and funny. Life was a joke to him. Life was literally the purpose of life was to make people laugh and he would make you fucking laugh. He would own every room he walked into and make every fucking... He had women. Like women loved this man. Charismatic. He could be living out of his piece of shit car and he would be able to be in a relationship with a beautiful woman. They loved him. They loved this man.

Probably his first life here. Yeah. Yeah, true, true, certainly. So he came in just fucking guns a blazing, life's a party. Yep. And so I ended up moving out of that house to another house down in Laurel Canyon

and I got a room for him. So I was like, all right, my dad rolls with me. This is my road dog. You come on tour with me, you do this with me, whatever. And things were going fine. And then I went into his room one night and I found a bunch of plastic bottles of vodka under his bed.

Oh, dad. And I was like, yo, I was like, you're out. I was like, you're out, bro, because you're not dying under my roof. Yeah. Like, I'm not going to take the responsibility that I'll live with for the rest of my life that you fucking died under my roof. You're out. And it was so hard because, again, I had to disconnect from my father again.

Yeah. The same cycle all over again, you know? But I knew it was the right thing. I knew it was cycle. All over again. But I knew it was the right thing. I knew it was the right thing to do. So then he goes off, lives with another girlfriend. That was kind of his thing. He'd go find a girlfriend to live with. And it's hard because we didn't die.

He didn't die on the best terms with each other, you know, because like another two years, whatever went by and... Damn, dad was hanging on for dear life. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, I, you know, I got a call last night, I've talked call last night, I've talked about this before, so I'll talk about it again, just because it is a big part of the story,

but I got a call from him one night, we always had this deal, he was like, if I die, you get my bird. He had an African Grey parrot his whole fucking life, this was his best friend, he had a love relationship with this bird for real, this was his soulmate, was his bird, and he was like, when I die, she's yours, right? And so I got a voicemail on my phone one night that's like,

hey man, I could hear it in his voice, hey man, something's came up, Ruby's yours. I'm like, what the fuck, what the fuck, what the fuck, what the fuck's going on? So I get in my car and I start driving down to Long Beach and I'm calling him over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and he finally answers, he's like, it's already done, man. Don't even, just turn around, just turn around. I'm calling him over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and

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pool of blood, fall into it and I fucking just start slapping him, slapping him, just like, what's your favorite Almond Brothers song? What's your favorite Almond Brothers song? He like, his eyes come open, he's like whipping post, if anyone who knows the song whipping post like, is like, I feel like dying. It was like the craziest thing I've ever said in that state. But anyways, that being said, Ambulance was called, came and brought him back to life, saved his life, brought him back to life.

All good, you know, shit happened. That is so traumatic. Very traumatic. Like I'm trying not to cry over here. Very traumatic. That's so tough. And all good, and he made it through. And you know, at that moment, I was like,

dad, you need to get help. When you get a let out of this hospital, stitched you back up, you got these badass stitches now, I know you like that Mr. Hells Angel, like you know what I'm saying? I was like, they let you out, I'll put you anywhere you need to go to get help. I got you, whatever you need.

And he was just like, man, I was wasted. I don't even remember what happened. My mom who has this horrible relationship with him calls him and is just like, you need to apologize to your son. Apologize? You need to apologize to your son. And he's just like, I won't do it.

And so boom, we split there. need to apologize to your son and he's just like I won't do it you know and so boom we split we split there that was when I was like whatever but that was when I went started going really off the rails because this was still drug addict taste you know I went really off the rails that's a lot of scary scaring my family won't pick up the phone you know the crazy thing is like when when I got into my car after the ambulance came, picked him up, I was like, you son of a bitch. I was like, you, my crazy kind of narcissistic mind as well,

I was like, you were giving me a story, weren't you? You were giving me some kind of crazy story from my life. Like, weren't you? Like, you son of a bitch. I almost got from that story, and I was gonna say this in a second, was I feel like your dad knew that you would save him yeah so I don't think he really wanted to die at that moment I think he just I don't think you did it knew I don't think you did either and also I did

I also part of me is like part of me is like my dad is a dude who doesn't want to look like a faker as soon as he found out I was on his way, that's when I think he did this. I am so sorry. That's not okay. No, it's not okay. And that was when I really had to cut off this relationship. That was when I really had to cut it off.

Understandably. Yeah, I really had to cut it off because I was like, oh my god, this is like fucking insanity I was like this crazy also and then in the same breath I was like you son of a bitch you wanted me to have this goddamn story like Pivotal fucking whatever in my life. This is when everything changed and now I'm worth it to be an artist like Whatever tortured artist syndrome like van Gogh cut off his ear that the whole goddamn thing through every artist and I think it'd have to be Tortured to be brilliant. Yeah, my dad was like that. I'm like you gaveh cut off his ear that the whole goddamn thing through every artist and I think it'd have to be tortured to

Be brilliant. Yeah, my dad was like that. I'm like you gave me this. All right, I'm gonna wear it as my badge of honor now And whatever I mean he's given you a lifetime of trauma. Yeah That was a huge piece of it He moved away With another girl and then after he split his wrist. He just moved away with another girl, and then... Even after he'd split his wrist, he just moved away with another girl. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And we'd reach out every now and then, what the bummer is this is like, we were supposed to meet up, like maybe this was like two years after this happened, we're supposed to meet up. He's like, hey man, I'm coming down. I had like healed from this a little bit. I was like, yes, let's get lunch.

You know, let's get lunch. I had healed from this, you know, and I do wanna talk to you, and god damn it, I miss you, you're my fucking dog, you know. And you're my dad. That little boy in you just wanted your daddy. Yeah, and he was, he made plans to come down on a train. And then, oh my god, I didn't zip up my fucking zipper after.

Oh, I can't sit. Fucking I went to the bathroom halfway. We got camera angles, but keep that in. I'm a real person. And so he was getting on a train to come down. And the day before before he's like, hey man, so can you pick up me and my girlfriend from the train station, and then can you take us

to this classic car lab? We're gonna look at buying this car. And I was like, bro, what the fuck? I'm not trying to see you and your girl. You were coming down to my, you were coming down to see me. Now this is about you and your girl coming down to buy a classic car? Like what the fuck?

I was like, no. I was like, no, dude, no. I was a classic car? Like what the fuck? I was like no. I was like no. Dude, no. I was like I was gonna see you and I was like it was a lot for me to even say I was gonna go get lunch with you, you know? And I was like no, no it's not happening. And then shortly after that he went into another coma and that was how we went out. But, but, the caveat to all this

is that when I got to go see him in the hospital, I brought a little, one of those little JVC speakers in my pocket and it was during COVID. So it was a one at a time thing. And my sister went in, you know, my sister never should have done all this, but she had to take on all of this, the adult, you know? Cause he had no one.

He had no one and my sister took just all this out which means I love you I love you look at you good you have my glasses and anyways anyways anyways cool rock and roll part about it is that I got my chance hug right now I feel like everybody's crying I feel like we need hugs and shit. Yeah, come on. That's what I'm saying. Come on, come on. I didn't want to give you a hug. Yeah, yeah, come on. Bye.

I'm gonna go do some shit now. Yeah. Capping the cool part. Here we go, okay? So like my sister goes in and sees them and like sister goes in and sees him and like I go in and get my chance to see him and I pull out this speaker

and I fucking turn it on full volume and play Whipping Post by the Allman Brothers and I get kicked out of the hospital. Oh no, very rock and roll. And I gave, I know he was, cause when I said it I was like, what's your favorite Allman Brothers song in this crazy time, I was like, what's your favorite Almond Brothers song in this crazy time?

I was like, man, that might be the last thing that he heard, which is like his fucking song, dude. And, ah, ah, ah. But I thought that was just the way that he wanted to go out and I was like, I'ma give that to you pops after all this shit, like hell yeah, you know? That's the way you'd want it. Me get kicked out of the hospital coming to see him.

You know? Oh my God dude. That is a lot. Yeah. A lot to unpack, a lot to process, a lot to hear. I couldn't imagine living through that. You know, you and your sister both are so, you guys are gonna make me cry man.

You guys are so lucky to have each other. Straight up. 100%. Yeah you guys are making me cry, man. You guys are so lucky to have each other. Straight up. 100%. 100%. You guys are so lucky to have each other to just go through all this fucked up shit together. I have trauma with my family too and I have learned with my dad especially and my mom. Before my mom died, it was kind of the same thing with I inherited custody of her and fucking hadn't she her and I ended up not talking and she ended up just dying abruptly one day in my care and the

biggest lesson that my mother ever gave me in her life was in her death and it was forgiveness that if no which forgiveness is on everybody's own terms and on your own time, but forgiveness is for you, it's not for them. And our parents, for some reason, that generation of human did not want to fucking fix their trauma. They were content being fucking wild hellions,

and you weren't gonna tell them. They were gonna live their life how they wanted to. It didn't matter who they hurt. And we are here to correct that. You're breaking generational curses. Every day. Thank you. I have been telling myself that for a long fucking time. You are. You're doing it. I was like my dad was so close to being the fucking Coolest shit in the world and he just couldn't get past this one thing And I was like yeah, I was like the the tree was going like this and then you know for me on out It goes like this. You know yeah, no, but you are you guys are both breaking generational curses

you guys are doing everything right and you guys are just beautiful humans. And I want you to know that I am so sorry that that is part of your story. It's really heartbreaking. And there's not much more that I can even know. Thank you for all that. And it is, you know, like again, there's like that flip side to everything. And like, you know, my. There's like that flip side to everything and like you know my sister

Shortly after all this had happened Well, she had just moved out to LA, but but it really has brought us like this thing where we're just like Man fuck the world like we got each other. Yeah, you guys against and she goes on tour with me She's she's tour managers and well no wonder she's banging the, who are you banging? Oh yeah, the drummer. The drummer. No wonder you're banging the drummer, you're always with him.

I mean, now I get it, now I get it. It's the inevitable. You got her on tour and everything, I mean yeah, for sure, I'd be banging the drummer too. Yeah, yeah, but she's my ride or die for sure. Thank you. Thank you guys for sharing that. That was really heavy. Yeah. I just hope that you guys are able to find peace with everything

one of these days whenever you're ready. Yeah, I feel like I have in a lot of ways, you know. I've always felt like I've been able to like zoom out from the situation that I have and like, you know, obviously just You know hope for you know, my sister's gone through like everything I have but plus more because she was like had to raise me You know in a lot of ways, you know, my mom was like a single mom So she had to work all the fucking time, you know all the time Yeah All the time had my mom had to work and like greatest, greatest mom in the world, and is my mom,

and always felt like my mom. But then when I grow up, I realized like, being able to talk to my sister, that it was like, oh no, my sister like fucking had to raise me as well. You know? It's crazy because, I don't know if you believe in it, but soul families, like we pick our families for the lessons that we want before we come to earth. So I this is what I believe not everybody

believes it but I truly 100% wholeheartedly believe that we have soul families and that can reach out to our friends that can be that can be like your sister like your sister could have been your mom in another life and that's why she's so motherly to you. Your dad could have been like a son in another life. And that's why she's so motherly to you. Your dad could have been like a son in another life. And that's why you were kind of like his father here. You know, my mom, I know it's crazy. It's like mind blowing. But my mother, like Tyler Henry was just on my podcast and he evens yeah, it's I you guys got to see the clip on a tick tock. It's like 2 million right now. Fuckin it's me bawling my eyes out, but my mom came through and she was like,

I am so sorry for what I've done to you. And she, he said that she's, he's, she's showing me the mother and daughter inverted and he, he said that you were like her mother and she was like your daughter and this, and that just confirmed everything that I've ever believed in. Because literally I feel like we pick the lessons that we want to go through in life before we get here. And I know it sounds crazy and it's weird but it's like our soul yearns. It's maybe the least crazy thing that we've talked about today to me. I'm like yes. Yes. No but I feel like our soul yearns for those lessons and so your lesson I always say you have to find the

blessing and the lesson in every situation that you have, you know. So it's like in the situation with your dad, what was the blessing and what has been the lesson? And then from that, that is what you have to work on in your life and what you're here for. That's your life purpose is to figure out why your life took these turns and went in the trajectory that it did and your dad put you through what he did because your soul yearned for that before you came here. I know it's wild but I mean I think I feel like you nailed it for me like yeah 100%. Well let's talk about something fun. You want to talk about? Let's switch real quick. You brought me a book. Yes, yes.

Did I ever wake up? What is this? Tell me all about it. That's my first book. So I have six books out, but that's my first book. And it's the thing that really changed my life. That truly changed my life as far as art. Yeah, yeah, of course.

It's like, this was a 21 year old, my son, who was living his life by the law of attraction and the secret, and the only time I ever heard people speak on it, especially at this time, was much older people, you know, that I was like, I wanna make a version that youngins can hear those words and actually connect, same thing with the hockey and the handsome thing.

I wanted to make my version of the secret or the law of attraction and what that meant too from the the lens of a younger person. So it's like very like creative writing but motivational. It's like the did I ever wake up is like basically being like how to live your life like it's a dream and believe that you're in a dream and believe that you're like able to to make of us. Yes to believe that And it changed my life. I mean that book is sold like 200,000 copies It's it's it's the one thing that I've been able to like live my journey through is like this writing of an

Intellectual property that is my book, you know, and you have six books. I have six books out. Yeah, tell me This is the only one that's like in this realm and then I have like two poetry books out and then I have three journal kind of If I had one here, it'd be really easy to understand but it's like I go on some kind of trip and I write the first half of this The hundred page thing or whatever I write my story just day by day. This day, did this, did this, did this, and then the cover is on the same cover is on the flip side of the back so you flip it over like that, it looks the exact same, but then

you go to the pages and they're blank. So it's like two stories come to live together and it kind of like influences like the younger generation, the importance of writing and not just diary entries, but like to write and literature and the importance of those things not just diary entries, but to write and literature and the importance of those things that live between the pages. All the answers are in the books, truly. And not my books, the books, I'm saying, period. And so I just like to influence the world

to be in touch with especially the importance of literature and just like telling your own story. Not for the simple fact of being like, the world needs to hear my story, but telling yourself your story, you know? Documenting things, living like you're dead, like living like you're dead, making art like you're dead and gone. How important would it be for your,

100 years from now, people connected to your family to find your journal? It would be so amazing for them. Yeah. They would love that. My brain is over here. You already know my brain is like going because I'm writing a book this year actually too about my life. But great. This is so important. It's so important to it. I think those things I tell as many people possible that like also like check it out dude Fucking music is is the one piece of art that I do that I feel has so little intellectual property because my favorite songs like a Rolling Stone Let's say right Bob Dylan like a Rolling Stone regarded as the greatest song of all time. That is 99 cents right now Okay, a song that a kid just made is very first song that,

let's just for all sakes of this argument, call it terrible, okay? It's 99 cents. That is fucked up to me. If this is a song that's regarded as the greatest song in the world, why is it the same price as the song from the kid that just made it last night in one hour

not knowing what he was doing? Why is that, okay? A book, that is intellectual property. If I say that book is worth $3,000, that book is worth $3,000 fucking dollars. Period. And it's end of discussion. And like I don't care how much it took to make it, I don't care how much time it took to take it. If I say that's how much it is worth, that's how much it's worth. And it's the same with my paintings, and it's the same with any of the things that I do outside of music. Because music, I'm in this confine of a world that's not changing and hasn't changed. And it's like, that's just a crazy thing to me that there's a set price on greatness in that world.

But a painting, you know, a fucking Basquiat painting is selling for $200 million. Yeah. And I mean, you know what I mean? I've never looked at it that way. That's amazing. It's like that's why I love those types of intellectual property. I think they're so important.

Yeah. You're not putting your worth comparatively like stuck in a world. Like you could literally tell, you could say I'm making one book and I'm selling it for a hundred thousand dollars and you'll find someone to buy that book no for sure sell one at that price yeah no that's wild I've never thought of it that way your mind is brilliant it really is and

I feel like dude you need your own podcast. Modcast, it's coming. Oh my god, yes, do it, I love that. I'll listen to it and I'll support it 100%. Okay, please do, please do. Yeah, you need one because this generation needs to hear what you have to say because you have so much depth, and so many people, I do a lot of interviews, so many people do not have depth,

and you really need to have a microphone in front of you. That might be your calling. Thank you. This podcast has been so fucking therapeutic for me. I know if you had a podcast, oh my god. I mean I hear it with you. I hear you allowing people to like find themselves when I listen to your episodes and then I also hear you stumble upon things that you're figuring out about yourself when you're talking

to someone and you ask the question. Yeah. And you're like, oh shit. Yeah, I love it. I needed you today. Like I can totally admit that I needed you today. Mimi's shaking her head yes, because I had... No, I needed you today. Like this was such a blessing

because I just fucking had the worst day yesterday and I was just like really questioning a lot of things. And then you just came in here and the things that you have said have just like sparked my flame again, and I needed that so thank you for that Thank you for your time. It makes me so happy Watch this so so years go by and my, so I got, one of the things that changed my life that this is awesome to mention is that after a year and a half of being Mod Sun

and releasing music as Mod Sun, my brand of like rap and this, I got chosen by Rolling Stone magazine to be one of 15 people put in a contest to be the first unsigned artist put on the cover of Rolling Stone, right? And it was just like this thing that I was like, the law of attraction is real! Like, are you hearing me yet? Like, it's real. All my songs are about the law of attraction and I'm about, I'm in five issues of Rolling Stone right now. This is fucking nuts.

And so while that's going on, here comes the guitar player that kicked me out from the other band and he was in a band that was signed and they break up and he sends me a picture of him having my logo MS like this tattooed on his wrist and he goes, so proud of you, bro. So proud of you, bro. And I was like, I have missed you so goddamn much I have missed you so much

I was like come be my guitar player you're so I'm going out to New York to do this competition for Rolling Stone and be on camera for a week come be my DJ and guitar player bro I have missed you so much. Boom, he's there. We go on for years together to tour the world together and he's guitar and singing and he's been featured on so many songs. His name's Pat Brown, love him to death. The what I do and my life and being an artist

was not made for him. So now he's a tour manager now and he tour manages Tiesto and like, he's poppin. He's legit. He did his thing Brought him back around We fucking had an amazing run travel the world together still talk to this day the other guy that kicked me out He was my DJ before he became my DJ After after he kind of left around no no. It was before he was my first DJ, before my friend Pat came around,

and then he decided to go to art school and went to art school for a while, and then was like, man, this school shit's not for me. I was like, he came to my going away party to move to California. I hadn't talked to him for like two years. He came to my going away party that my sister threw me, a surprise party.

She invited him. He came, we hadn't talked in a while He's like man. I'm going through this rough relationship. I just broke up like I want to quit school I don't know what to do. I was like I'm moving to California tomorrow. I got an extra bedroom there I have missed you. I was like If you fucking want to pack your shit up come live with me, bro Just was work together You make art and shit. You can do all my covers and shoot some videos and DJ, play guitar, whatever you want to do, you know? And brought him back around and now he's still out here.

He's gone on to be a huge person, graphic designer for girls, skateboards, and now he has his own creative agency and stuff and so you know I'm super proud of both of them but you broke my damn heart and I never held it against you yeah yeah you sure you want to fuck in this same town as me yeah I love that and then lastly I know I've had you forever but we have to talk about you're gonna be dropping an album yeah yeah well I'm gonna drop an album my Yeah, yeah. Let's talk about that. We're gonna be dropping an album, my first song from this new run of things.

I have left the internet for the last six months. I haven't dropped anything in almost a year. And I'm coming back with my song that I've worked so hard on this new music, but also just came into it so pure. Like I said, like I went back to Minnesota, I was like, I'm not gonna make music for three years. And if I want to after that, cool I will. I came in with so much pure intention to make music and I stumbled upon making what I

like believe is like could be the song that everyone knows me for for the rest of my life, you know? And Kels helped write on it with me. One of my newest additions to my best friendography is this guy named No Love, who is I think one of the most talented people around. It's just this tight-knit group that we have and yes, I'm releasing a song. It's going to be out on June 7th, so depending on when this comes out, it's either out right now or it's about to come out and from there I'm gonna just continue releasing over the summer and then I'm gonna go on a tour most likely this will be out when this gets announced too as well at the end of September and yeah we'll be on tour too so I get my own tour bus whenever I go on tour with daddy and so hopefully our paths will cross. I can't wait. We can either go to one of your shows or you come to ours or both or whatever yeah we'll have to link schedules.

Yeah, that'll be fun. And I'm just I've never been more fulfilled with the music I make. And the simple fact is that like I, you know, I was drummer growing up and I always wanted to play guitar and get good at guitar. And I've kept 12 guitars around me at all times throughout my whole life and just never clicked for me. And within the last six months, due to my really great friend, No Love,

who's an incredible guitar player, it's clicked for me. It's totally clicked. And I've been writing all my songs, just me and a guitar. And whether they get like a little production on top of that, it's all very purposeful production. But a lot of it, my favorite song I've ever wrote that I've been trying to write since I was 13 years old, it's called Morning Breaks. It's gonna come out this summer. It's just my voice and a guitar, same time recorded playing it.

And it is the song I've been trying to write my entire life. And my friends that mean the world to me are like, I cried to this, you know? I cried to this song. And I'm just like, b know, I cried to this song and I'm just like Bingo. I'm fulfilled. I'm just so fulfilled musically my expectations are it start and end right there Am I fulfilled? Absolutely good let it out into the world Whatever these things do grow up on your own and and have a great time out there songs But you have fulfilled me and I'm so proud of that and I have

nothing but happiness to share it with the world and that's all I want to do is share it Grow your own legs go live your life. I hope you become the biggest goddamn songs that I've ever created But either way you have made me so happy Say they will they will they will I know I believe they will But i'm also like you're a child that hasn't been born yet So I'm not telling you you have to be a goddamn superstar But I expect you to be a fucking super And let's get to work

I'm excited to hear it. My favorite music is stripped down music like that like a q-stic acoustic with where you can just feel it You know like yeah, you're gonna send it to me. I want to hear it I love sneak peek so we can listen to it on the way home. I will I will Ma, thank you for coming here today. Thank you. This is great, and I needed you but also also why sorry that I needed you Like it's I think You know I tell some of my close friends to like when they're going when they're going through something I'm like well You know what go outside and be social go into a social study you might be like man

I don't feel like being around people tonight go out you'll be reminded how much people love you Yeah, and like that is so crucial to getting through a tough time like Remind yourself how loved you are You know just like it's okay to do these little like hacks in life It's not all this like be present present, be in the moment, make sure that you're focused on the right. It's like, no, allow other people to make you happy as well. And like, don't be so goddamn hard on yourself. Be gentle. Go out. Remind yourself. It could be one person that's like, damn, I missed seeing you. And you're like, I needed that. Yeah. You're just like,

I needed that. God, I am great. Thank God. I am great. Yeah, you know I love that. What are you guys fucking doing? I'm watching her looking at her over here. Everybody's fucking crying God you guys mod I love you, and I want you to come back to the podcast as many times as you want if you I would love to I would co-host I would one day or something. Maybe I would love to that would be so fun. I would love to Thank you so much for having me on this has been Why don't you tell people where they can find you just in case they they don't know where you're at. M-O-D-S-U-N on everything, Mod Sun. And I would love to meet you all out there,

anyone out there. See you on tour. Great talks really happened, great connections really happened, friends are still alive and well. It's never too late to make a new friend. Love you so much. Love you too.

Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Dumb Blonde. I will see you guys next week, bye.