Dumb Blonde - Throwback Thursday: Ekoh Music - Vegas Native Goes VIRAL

Episode Date: October 24, 2024

Rapper and self-made artist Ekoh joins Bunnie this week to talk about his journey from writing his first song in rehab to planning huge tours and landing on the charts among Eminem and Juice Wrld. He opens up about growing up in Las Vegas, finding new fans via TikTok, how he taps into the creative process, embracing your inner emo, the work that goes behind his growing online presence, and what we can expect in 2021 including a new album in July and tour in the fall. Ekoh: IG | Website Watch Full Episodes & More:www.dumbblondeunrated.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I'm great. How are you? Dude, I'm so happy you're here. I'm happy to be here. This is great. Thanks for having me. I stumbled across you on TikTok for probably a few months ago now, and I was just like, who is this fucking guy?

And then I was like, I followed you, and I was watching you. And I was like, babe, have you ever heard of Echo? He's like, duh. My jelly was like, dude, uh, he's fucking awesome. And then I found out that you were a Vegas fucking native or that you're from Vegas. And I was like, Oh my God, I'm sold because I'm from Vegas. So I know I saw that. And there's not a lot I've, cause I've been following you guys for a little, for a while now. So you guys, I mean, cause I've been following you guys for a little, for a while now. Yeah. So you guys, I mean, you guys even were living back in Vegas a few years ago.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally. Like a little bit. Yeah. So when Jay and I first met, um, I tried to turn him into a fucking West coast dude and that does not happen with Southern boys. They don't leave their fucking city. So he lasts, he lasted in Vegas about three or four months and he was like, bitch, we

are going back to the country. It's too hot. Oh, it's terrible. Yeah. Yeah. So tell me, okay, where do we start? How did you get into music? Like what was like, were you born and just like came out rapping out of the vagina or?

Pretty much. Yeah. That's actually exactly how it happened. Really? Do tell. No, it didn't. Not at all i i i didn't i've always loved just music in general right i grew up listening i was like super into underground hip-hop so i was never

like i used to hate mainstream rap i don't like mainstream rap either i've i've the longer i've made music the more i've learned to find the things that i like and i think maybe just me getting older has been you know i just try to find things i like instead of hating on absolutely for my own mental health it's just better for me so but when i was younger i was like mainstream rap i don't listen to it i was super into uh jedi mind tricks and people like like Necro and I love Necro I love atmosphere like Tech Nine obviously yeah all that kind of shit and but I was also like super into pop punk music and hardcore music when I was growing up so I had these like two different sides to me that I was but the underground hip-hop scene and punk rock and skateboarding all that shit seemed like it

was it was like a Venn diagram where it all kind of meets in the middle. Right. And that's kind of where I lived. But when it came. But there was something about rap that always just kind of resonated with me way more than everything. And it was more lyrically how you could talk about things that you're feeling and things you're going through. And I was like a huge fan of Tupac and um that that was what made me want to start writing right and i just started before i even rapped i just wrote a lot how old were you when you wrote your first rhyme when did you do like poems or were you yeah was that kind of how it started i started like journaling poetry like short stories random things like that and uh

when i was in rehab i when i was 18 i wrote i think my first rap when i was in there dope talk about it so rehab what did what what um spurred all these obviously an addiction what was it yeah i was uh opiates heroin cocaine were you born and raised in vegas i was raised in vegas okay i feel feel like everybody that's raised in Vegas develops an opiate addiction. I have one too. Yeah. I love a Lorderve. Give me a Lorderve.

You're from Vegas. What's your fucking drug of choice? Yeah. More. Yeah, exactly. Yo, my first word was more. Really? It's in my baby book.

That's hilarious. Y'all should have been saving for rehab, not college. You know what I mean? That's hilarious. My first word was don't. And my first sentence was don't touch it. How vital to life was that? Like, it's crazy. Remember that and you'll be good. Totally. Okay. So you wrote your first rap when you were in rehab. When, what made you decide that you needed to go to rehab? Like how bad and how severe did the addiction get? I didn't decide for myself. Oh, gotcha. It was more so decided for me.

Okay. When I went to rehab, it was I was, you know, I was living on the street. I had an ultimatum. It was either you go to jail or go to rehab. Right. And I was like, well, fuck it. I guess I'll just go to rehab. I want to go to jail.

You were living on the street where you kicked out of your house. Yeah, I've been kicked out of my house for months and I was living out of my car for a while. Then my car broke down. And so, you know, how the cycle goes on to different flop houses and different shitty places that people were staying at, you know, like monthlies and stuff like that. So, um, pretty much there was just a time when everybody in my life had had figured out what i was doing and and it all came to a head and it was you know the law had figured

it out and you know my parents had figured out long before and i was only 18 were you getting in trouble as a child like with the law or was it just it was only at it was at the end of my using when i finally really started getting, I mean, I'd gotten in trouble for like underage drinking and, you know, possession here and there, but nothing like too bad. Not like manslaughter or anything like that. No, but yeah. But when it came to like robbery, then it was like, you either go to jail or go to rehab. Right. And it was like, I was like, okay, I'll go to rehab. Yeah. Trying to figure that out. That's awesome that you were able to, you know know at least be pushed

in that direction did it did you stay sober whenever you got out of rehab yeah wow so it actually worked for you yeah that's awesome because a lot of people that do go to rehab it doesn't like you know stick yeah i think i got really fortunate i don't know i don't know why necessarily yeah you know i don't know what clicked, but it just, it did. Maybe you just didn't want to be that person anymore. I mean, that's for sure. But there does become a point where there's being sober, especially in this industry and this lifestyle is not always easy. No, not at all. Trust me. I'm going through that right now. I've been sober for four years, like by choice, I don't drink or anything like that. And I'm like, to the point where I'm like, okay, I've done a lot of fucking work on myself. I've gotten to

know myself, but my mental health seems worse now that I'm sober, like as far as depression and anxiety. And I'm like, you know, maybe I want to fall off the wagon a little bit and fucking have a drink or two, you know, like it's, it's pretty hard. Well, there is because i i agree with that 100 because i i and i don't know if it necessarily gets worse or you get to feel everything yeah because you know at least this person over here gets to check out from it for right you know this amount of time but does it on the on the other side of it is it worse absolutely and i'm not sure i just know for me if there's a chance that i end up back where i was it's not worth it right you know and i'm not sure i just know for me if there's a chance that i end up back where i was it's not worth it right you know and i've that's not to say that i haven't developed other

addictions to anything under the sun that i've been able to to find besides drugs and alcohol right because that's what always ends up happening as soon as i patch up this hole some i start something over here i fucking wasn't paying attention to. Now I'm fully immersed in. Dude, preach. I always say like, it's like the brain unlocks a new fucking door and it's like, what's behind door number fucking one?

What's behind door number two? Like once you think that fucking you've got something conquered, another fucking thing just comes at you. Yeah. It's crazy. You actually really do talk about mental health on your TikTok a lot too. Do you deal with that also? Like you said something about social anxiety and. Oh, man. I mean, I joke about it because it's it's what's really going on.

Oh, yeah. You know, I think that's like me. We have to make everything a joke, even if it fucking hurts. Yeah, it's full deflection. Right. Absolutely. It's me just compartmentalizing. Yeah. And it's actually totally I. Right. A thousand percent. Absolutely. It's me just compartmentalizing anything that's actually going on that I don't really want to talk about. But yeah, and I don't know if... Have you been diagnosed with anything or is it all self-diagnosis? Anxiety. Yeah, me too.

I mean, that was self-diagnosed and then it was diagnosed by a doctor. Right, same. But I mean, I come from a long line of mental illness in my family and addiction. And the, the older I get, the more I just see, I need to stay on top of it more to try and combat it. Cause I can, I, I feel it coming. Right. Oh no, it's great. You can feel the darkness creep in. Yeah. And I hate to blame it on, I mean, i mean this this career it lends itself to an incredible amount of of pressure and its own mental shit that comes with it and it's just if you're not on top of it it it can destroy you oh absolutely and i've been there yeah you know and it it can get really

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and i was i was thinking about that particular and it's it's not for me it's not that i tap into it it's that i'm so desperately need to get away from it no that i need to dive in so to pull so to pull yourself out of it you kind of immerse yourself in order to distract right you know i have to do something extreme to distract from how i'm feeling or whatever absolutely fears you're dealing with or whatever it is so yeah and then i guess in that sense then the best art does come from that because you you have to fully immerse and figure some shit out just to kind of get away from it. Absolutely. You know? So let's go back to you writing your first song in rehab. What was it kind of like a diary entry or was it actually like a full on song

and did you record it? And did that like create the monster? I think I just started trying to like write rhymes to see if I could, you know, cause there's such a stigma with starting to be a rap career of just, there's still those memes, you know, where it's like, if you think you're having a bad day, remember there's somebody trying to release a mixtape. Yeah.

And so there's just that thing in your head where it's like, ah, this is stupid. I shouldn't do it. But you know, it's almost, uh, like a guilty pleasure of like, I'm doing this, but not showing anybody. So I don't even really remember exactly what it was. It was probably some super emo shit. Right. Knowing me at that time.

There's nothing wrong with emo. I love emo. I'm an emo. Yeah, that's, you know, I built a career off that. So it was probably something like that. Or me trying to be whoever I was listening to at that time, whether it was Eminem or whatever. It was either me being super emo or me trying to just duplicate or replicate what they were doing. When did you say, OK, this is the path I'm going to take.

I'm going to be a fucking rapper. I think. When I found my voice. And that was going to be one of my next questions. When did you find, you know how like every rapper has like a cadence. Are you still finding that? Or do you think you found it?

I found it. Yeah. I think you found it too. Now I'm at a point of trying to switch it up and change it and do different kinds of things and be more creative with it. But I remember that. I remember when I found it, when I was recording and I was doing a certain thing with my voice and I was like, Oh, that sounds really cool. I should do that with

everything. Right. And it wasn't perfected, but it was at least in the right direction. And when I was showing people, then it would, they would, they weren't making fun of it as much anymore, but they were like, all right, this kind of has, you know, potential for stuff. And I showed my best friend at the time and he was super gassed up on it and he wanted to be a part of it. And so we kind of love that when the homies are just like, yeah, let's say they're like your biggest hype men. Yeah. And it's, it's tough because it's, it's hard to find people, you know, even that are around you that will take you seriously. I still have friends that don't take me seriously. He's like, yo, how's that? You know,

how's the music going? Yeah. You're like, bro, check my that? You know, that's crazy. How's the music going? Yeah. You're like, bro, check my fucking numbers. Yeah. Numbers don't lie. But I think it was when that started happening that I started thinking that I could maybe do this more. But I never had a click like, oh, this is what I want to do. Right. I always just, you know, it was just a dog chasing cars. So I was always just doing it never thinking

kind of throwing shit against the wall I never thought I'd make it to where I'm at now I never thought I'd be able to do this without having a job I never thought I'd be able to just do this for a main source of income and this be my job I just I like doing it and I wanted to keep doing it so I just continued yeah do you feel like the internet has like helped with careers as far as like the rap careers now? Do you think the internet has helped you with getting out there and like reaching more people? Yeah. Totally.

Right. Yeah. Without the internet, you know, if you, if you learn how to, I mean, that's the only way to do it now. There's no other way to, Oh, they make fucking superstars off now justin bieber was discovered off youtube it's tiktok tiktok's everything tiktok's insane yeah it is i'm still trying to figure it out they are always fucking they're always deleting me man it's like if i do anything wrong i can't even fucking like sit there and just be like hey how you doing and i get deleted any guidelines yeah always dude i

just show up and i'm a community fucking guideline. You know, it's fucking bullshit. But for you guys, I feel like it literally is like even my husband fucking just getting on there, like more people. He's reached more people, too. So you guys like have this fucking powerhouse of this machine now that you guys can use to just help you boost. Do you feel like since you've been on TikTok, it's pushed you farther out into the spotlight? Yeah. And so,

I mean, I've just started figuring it out also. Like I think I just broke like a hundred thousand followers or something like that. But when you're starting from like scratch again, that's, that's the daunting thing is I've built up all these other platforms and now they've kind of died out.

Yeah. Instagram's garbage. Hello. I say the same thing. I tell everybody Instagram's fucking dead. Like there's no point. They've ruined it. Think about this.

Have you ever seen anything go viral on Instagram? No, never. I've seen shit go viral on Facebook. I've seen shit go viral on Twitter, YouTube and shit. Fuck Instagram. Yeah.

That's how I feel. I've been fucking banned on there three times too yeah it's fucking bullshit dude like literally they fucking have ruined these platforms but i feel like we're like super blessed to have tiktok in our lives right now you know yeah and it's funny because i started doing tiktok during quarantine because i needed to figure something else out to do to to to reach a bigger audience. Absolutely. Cause that's, I wake up every day.

Like, how can I find more fans? That's my main goal. Yeah. You know, like where, where, where are they and how do I get to them? So when TikTok was, and everybody would talk shit about TikTok, like TikTok's fucking whack. I was one of them. TikTok is stupid. TikTok was and everybody would talk shit about TikTok like TikTok's fucking whack I was one of them TikTok it's stupid and I'm like all right uh well you know but this motherfucker's blowing up on you absolutely so if the if this person like all the people hating like you can like you

should stay hating and I'm gonna just fucking walk over here and just do it you know what I mean and I'm gonna go over here and that's kind of what happened. I was telling all my like rap, rap friends that are like for like straight hip hop rap. And I'm like, dude, you got to get on TikTok. And everybody's like, they're like,

they just weren't trying to hear it. I don't really know. I'm like, all right, fine. I think you have it figured out though, because even on Instagram and TikTok, the way that you run your page is really dope.

Like I'm, I always look at things from a branding point of view because I'm just all about branding yourself. And one of my homies actually is an up and coming artist. And I was like, you need to go check out Echo's page. I was like, you need to emulate his formula because he literally he's crushing it with like the content, how you do the freestyles. Like you really put a lot of fucking work into what you do. People don't realize that that's like a fucking full-time job to keep content rolling in like that. Yeah. Where do you find the drive to do that? Um, he's like, I don't want to be broke, bitch. Well, I mean, at a point it's not even about like the money's not at this point.

I'm, I'm super obsessive and I want, you know, and it's not even from an ego standpoint, but I've been doing this for a long time. And I feel just that I want my numbers to match what I feel I'm worth. And so how do I, how can I do that? And you're right. It is a job because I'm like, I want to set up this fucking mic right now. I'm by myself. I'm doing everything on my own. I'm like, I'm going to set up this fucking thing.

I'm going to set up this light. I'm going to set up a tripod. I'm going to fucking do this. And I'm ready to do this shit. I'm like, I got to set this fucking thing. I got to set this like, I got to set the tripod. I got to fucking do this. And I'm ready to shit. I'm like, fuck. Now you know how a sex workers feel. We're like,

fuck, I don't want to do this today, but we have to do it. It's a fucking grind. And people just think they, they only see that and just think that it's easy. You don't know how much time went into that shit. Oh yeah.

More time goes into Tik TOK videos than any other platform. I have to like set aside time to fucking focus on TikTok because it really is like, you have to like kind of pour your heart and soul into your stuff because you want to keep people coming back and you know, you don't want to say anything to fucking offend anybody because everybody's a cry baby nowadays. Here's the thing that's dope about TikTok. And here's the thing that is super important about it. When people hate on it, the thing that I try and say is that the algorithm that they have makes people feel because it's true if you put out something good it could change your life and it's true that's 100 so all that free game right there ladies and gentlemen all that

does is bring out the best in everybody yeah and so you're getting the best content on tick tock because people are putting their best content out there because because they know there's potential. Yeah. You know what I mean? So you're going to put your best foot forward. Whereas Instagram is like, oh, fuck it. Like my fans will see it. You know what I mean? Maybe, maybe. Hopefully, hopefully if the fucking algorithms are on my side that day. Do you feel like being from Vegas, it's harder for you to get noticed as an artist? Absolutely. I agree. Because I've grown up there.

So literally I think who's really made it famous from fucking Vegas besides the killers and like, you know, imagine dragons, Ronnie Radke fucking falling in reverse. Um, yeah, we had like imagine dragons panic at the disco.

It was panic from Vegas. Yeah. How did I not fucking know that? I mean, I don't think they like or i guess he kind of does uh i mean dizzy right is probably as far as i know dizzy was from vegas that's crazy yeah he lives like 15 minutes away or not like five minutes away from me why do you feel like it's so hard for vegas artists to get seen is it because nobody takes us serious out

there because we're like sin city and no i don't even blow i don't think it's a national thing i think it's a local thing i think locally we don't care right and that's that's the hard part is because you can't in a city where you're unable to blow up locally national there's going to be no national recognition right so vegas isn't known for you know we never had a sports team until recently. Right. Yeah. We never had, there was no sense of community. Right. And so people aren't blowing up on like a grassroots type thing. And I feel like people don't support us out there.

You know, I had to leave Vegas and moved to Nashville for, in order for people to kind of like be like, Oh, this bitch is not playing. You know, I had to get love outside of Vegas for people, for them to,

it's like a, I've said this so many times. It's like a like a shitty ex-girlfriend yeah that like doesn't pay attention until some other chick starts showing you attention and then they're like yo what's what's good you know yeah and you want to be like yo fuck you but you also still want the love from that because that's what you're always kind of yeah know looking for it's toxic it's a toxic relationship vegas is a fucking toxic relationship and i hate it because i i love so much about the city but there's still there's like this sheath over it that just stops it from from prospering yeah from people prospering and for people coming together and making something out of the just community wise or tragedy has to happen in Vegas for people

to come together. Like when I lived out there, I didn't even talk to my fucking neighbors. And that was like one thing Jay is like huge on and he would go talk to the neighbors. But that like showed me how different we are is because that's how Vegas is. People don't talk to you unless something fucking tragic happens. Whereas in the country, people are borrowing butter and sugar from each other and fucking watching each other's kids, you know? Yeah. So it's crazy. College degrees are pricey, but with low tuition and our $2,500 back to school scholarship, WGU makes it possible to earn your degree at a price you can afford. Apply today at wgu.edu. So I was reading an article that you were like in the charts with Eminem and Juice World and stuff like that.

How does that feel whenever you see stuff like that going on? Yeah, that was the last album. It got I think we got like I wanted to get like in the top five, but we got close. So but also Juice World like randomly dropped the same day that shit happens. But it to be honest with you, like it really doesn't register. Is it like just so surreal to you because you've been working so long or is it just not enough? Like you're like, you want more, like you, you feel like you're.

It's not even that it's not enough. Cause it's absolutely like, it just doesn't for some some there's like a disconnect of being like oh this is this is me this is what's actually happening right so when i sit and think about it it's overwhelming right i bet but because to be up in the charts with those two artists too is just kind of like fuck yeah but there's also the fact of like uh whenever whenever something good happens in my career i just get anxious right you know because i'm like what am i going to do next like how do i you know i don't i don't celebrate the moment i kind of like i'm worrying about the next thing it's like oh fuck if they

love that now i gotta do better yeah like what am i how am i gonna top that what am i what am i gonna do next like i feel like every artist goes through that because my husband is going through that right now with his song, save me. And like, when you have a song that goes completely fucking viral, you're like, what the fuck do I do next? You know, like, how am I supposed to, like, I can't drop the ball because then people are going to be like, oh, he fucking sucks. You know?

Or how do I top it? Do I do the same thing again? Or I can't do the same thing again. What was I doing when I made that? What was I thinking about when I made that? Okay. Can I drop into made that? Okay. It's like, it's not going to happen. You just have to just continue to evolve and do different things and see where that goes. And that's a hard control to let go of. I can only imagine you guys have so much pressure too. You know, like I, we, we have pressure in our industry too, but being an artist is like a different level.

Like it's I have a different respect for you guys because my dad was an artist, too. And it's just like when you you see somebody pour their heart and soul into a project and like if it doesn't do good, you see how it crushes them. But if it does really good, you see the happiness and the joy from it. You know, it's like a fucking it's a roller coaster, you know, that you guys have to go through. It is. And I think, I don't know if I'm just so used to chaos that it's like where I've just kind of found where it makes sense or not thrive or just, it just makes sense to me. Like, I feel like it's where I belong, even when it's not going great, you know, but it just, for some reason it's where my

mind is able to figure out things. And, you know, it, it, it is so tumultuous and it's so up and down all the time that it, it makes it difficult. But, you know, at the end of the day, it's first world problems. You know, I don't i don't i remember working every time i go to the grocery store or go like pick up food while i'm at the studio or something it's like thankful so thankful yeah i do the same thing like when i'm having a bad day i'll even look at monica and i'll be like what the fuck am i complaining about dude like i've got everything i could ever want like it's crazy when you reach that certain um level let's talk about touring so you weren't able to tour because of um quarantine and stuff like that but you had

done a couple I know that's got to be so hard because that's like you're like you like your bread and butter but it's also as an artist you like to go I'm sure and meet the people who support you and fucking just the stage is just your your carnival you know yeah i think there's a lot of artists i there's some artists that like touring there's some that don't especially in the new age i don't know if it's necessarily something that a lot of new artists crave right my husband loves it like that's it's all i care about like it's all i've ever cared about you know my whole thing was like if i could sell out thousand cap rooms like i've made it that's when i feel like i made it like it's not itunes charts it's not like all that is just like a number digitally on a thing i think

that's why it doesn't connect it's because it's just like it's almost like getting a high score on a video game like it's there's still a disconnect there like i don't see it i'm just like there's a number okay i guess this is what's happening. Right. But if, if you see the people there and you feel the energy and there's people that know your lyrics and all that, then, then you see it,

then it connects. Right. So I, my biggest year of touring was in 2019. Who were you, who'd you go on tour with? I was on tour with Webby. I love him.

Dude. Uh, I can't say enough good things about him. Chris is just the sweetest he's uh him and and jelly are the two people who i've looked at in this industry who have things that i want because there's not a lot of people that do right and that's not even in a bad way no there's just certain things and maybe you know it's just not things i want but webby is one of those dudes where everybody in his team when they're not around him speak highly highly of him

you know what i mean and i speak highly of him the things that he did just to help me when he didn't have to is you know just insane and uh that's where i met jelly when we were in nashville when i was on tour with webby oh dope And Jelly came through and brought all the fucking chicken. Yeah. And like all the hottest chicken on the planet for a whole, like the whole tour crew. And there's like one small bathroom in this venue. And I'm like, man, it's going to be a problem for most people. I remember when he did that too.

He, uh, Webby came on the podcast and he's just like, you can just tell just from talking to that, um, dude that he just is like such a genuine soul. We actually, I think I got drugged at his show. I got the drunkest I've ever been in my life in New York at one of his shows, dude, but it was the best time of my life.

I was trying to walk in town square or not town square, time square, town squares. I was trying to walk in time square and I couldn't walk. Like I've never been that drunk in my fucking life, but it was, it was lit. So that I have nothing but fond memories of Chris,

but, um, uh, so as far as touring, do you have a tour coming up this year? I was on tour with Webby and then I was on tour futuristic and then I was on tour with dizzy, right.

And Ritz. So I had like three back to back tours. That's pretty fucking good. Like, are the, was that your first tours or was that like i've been on tours like a tour it was like mickey avalon and dirt i love mickey mickey came on my podcast too dude another guy him and sierra do you know sierra then uh mini no i didn't get to meet her dude they're great uh another situation where like they just you know took care of me and like

showed me a lot of love and they didn't have to um so i was on tour with them for a little while and then yeah but the webby and like those three tours were like my my real entrance into the touring world yeah and that's not a shabby resume no it was like i was blown away just the fact that it could all happen that speaks volumes though for your work because those people aren't just going to bring out just anybody, you know? Yeah. I,

I, I was blown away. But so then in 2020, me and Webber's, he was bringing me back out. We were going to do Canada that got canceled. Now that's in 2022. Dope.

But I'm doing my first headlining shows in August and September. Yeah. Where? Um, I think it's like 15 dates. It was like Chicago, Columbus, some dates in Texas,

Salt Lake. Dude, let us know because we're on tour too. So if we're in the same cities at the same time, we'll show up to your show. That would be awesome

and then you can come to our show. I'm terrified. Terrified of touring or coming to our show? Of headlining. Oh, of headlining? Why?

I've never done it. Oh, dude, you're going to fucking crush it. This is a lot of pressure. You take that confidence that you show on, are you okay? We're good.

You take that confidence that you show on TikTok and just apply that to the stage and you're going to crush it. Oh, the performance, I have no problem with that at all. It's just carrying

the whole weight of the tour. Yeah, there's, you know, if the show doesn't perform well, then that's on you well you kind of know what you're getting before because you get a ticket so yeah you get all that before so albums let's talk about albums yes do you have anything dropping soon you're doing all these like kind of like um the the things that you're doing on tiktok like the butterfly

is that going to be like on an album or is that just stuff that you're just putting out as like freestyles? Oh no, those are all like, those will be available on album stuff. I've been doing like the whole singles thing. So I love the butterfly remix you did. Oh, thank you. That was, that was like what sold me. I was like, Mimi, we got to get them on the podcast. Oh, that's so dope. Yeah. That was something I was like wanting to do for a while. Bitches love songs like that, by the way. I tell my husband that all the time.

Yo, I had this conversation with my girlfriend i was like dude i don't have any songs i was like yo i don't have any songs people could fuck to yeah there's like nothing yeah like and that's not cool i mean we gotta we need stuff to bump to that's what i'm saying i'm like i want to have at least one song that can come on in a shuffle that won't be like yeah what the fuck turn this shit off like i want to go cry in the corner and slit my wrists. Yeah, or like, what is this nerd? I don't want to hear about comic books I'm trying to fuck right now.

So I'd been sitting on that for a while and then we remade it to the original beat and I was like, I want to remake the entire thing. So we just like remade it from scratch and then did a couple different things with it. But I was like stoked. Yeah.

So do you have an album, an upcoming album? Are you working on one? Yeah, my Detour 3 album. So I've done, it's are you working on yeah my detour three albums so i've done it's like the third installment in my detour series uh so the detour three that'll drop it's in july i haven't announced the date yet but it is in july dope are you stoked about it yeah i'm i'm it's it's been the most mentally strained i've been putting something together of like of the three yeah just there's like so many songs and making sure that it's right and not knowing i mean you you've

seen the process before and just like is this you know i've heard all these songs a thousand times are they still good yeah i want to put it on this fucking thing my husband gets mad at me because like i'll like i'm pandora if his music comes up, I'll skip it. And he's always like, why do you fucking do that? And I'm like, because legit, I've literally heard this song since you wrote it at our fucking dining room table. I don't want to hear it again, you know? So I totally understand what you mean by that. After you hear a song a million fucking times, you're just like, dude, you have to have other ears hear it because you want the approval.

Yeah, exactly. You want to hear like what people think about it. I'm the opposite because my my girl like will listen to my show i'm like please turn it off i don't want to listen to my shit around people it gets it's awkward for me really you don't like to like show up you're not one of those guys that carries their mixtape mixtape in their back pocket no like i'm not the guy that does like the release the listening party like i'll never do a listening party i don't want to watch you listen to, but it's like, it's hard for me to watch reactors.

Right. Because I'm, maybe it's just like my insecurities or some shit. Yeah. Or it's like, I don't want to like, if you don't, what if you don't like it?

I'm going to, I'm stuck here watching you. Yeah. Not like it like actively. That's a fucking nightmare. That's why you make friends with the reactors. Always shout them out and always just be cool. But then is it genuine? genuine um like i don't want you to gas me up like that's true if you like it you like it if you don't you don't but i also just don't want to watch you if you

don't like it right i don't want you to want to watch it but even if you do like it like it's still awkward for me i don't like being you know i don't like being oddly enough the center of attention i i understand them you know so it's just it's a weird like i respect what they do and i love and i do watch them but for me it's just it's hard it's uncomfortable yeah have you worked with tech yet tech nine no oh we got to plug that in i've been listening to tech i went to a tech nine show in vegas when i was 12 or 13 at the Huntridge. Oh my God, dude,

the Hunter, they just, they're going to reopen it up. Right. I fucking can't wait. It's insane. Um, and there was like,

it's like iconic. Yeah. It was like 25 people at that show at the, at this tech nine show. That's crazy. And I knew the opener and I was like 13 and they were like asking us to film their set for music video. I don't know why the fuck they would ask us.

Whatever. Um, but I remember going to that show and there's like 25 people and then the next time there was like 100 people the next time there was like 300 and the next time he saw in a house of blues just crazy I've been like diehard strange and tech fans since I was a kid so everything they do is to me is like incredible genius yeah they definitely have a fucking that's that's the bucket list that's a bucket list feature for me it's like a tech nine feature oh it's coming just put it in the air it's coming for sure just put the blinders on just work let's put my head down and work and then look up every once in a while and see where the fuck i ended up at it's gonna happen so what it what

does 2021 hold for echo um what can people expect from you? Well, so the new album will come out in July. The tour will be in August and September. Then I have a, then I'm going out with somebody else on tour in October, November. Are we allowed to know who it is?

I don't know when this is going to come out. If I can say, this will probably come out in about a month, three weeks, four weeks. I don't know. Okay. But you can go check. You'll probably know.

Yeah. October, November. And I'll be, so the album comes out in July, but I have so many songs. I'm just going to start releasing singles for the next album. Just crazy. Really shortly after that. And just, there's some really cool features. What's one of your favorite

people you've ever done a feature with i mean i'm really really lucky and the people that i've been able to do features with are people that i really actually enjoy their music well i wouldn't hit them up for a feature if i didn't enjoy their music so and just people had ritz you had ritz as a feature dude that that shit was awesome. I fuck with Ritz just as a human. Yeah, he's dope. The same with- He's a little nugget.

Yeah. I just love him. He's just like a little gnome. He's such a, like he's such, it's so, he's such a just like a sweet guy. Yeah. You know what I mean? Which you wouldn't expect.

And so talented. Yeah. Like dude opens his mouth and you're like, what the fuck? Incredible. It's crazy. And I'm lucky and I Like dude opens his mouth and you're like, what the fuck? Incredible. It's crazy. And I'm, I'm, I'm lucky

and I don't think any of the like songs I've sent out, I've gotten like, you know, phoned in verses back. But, um,

I mean, obviously the one with, you know, I got to work with Webby. So that, that was like a dream come true and futuristic and Greaves,

who I also been listening to forever. And, uh, just everybody I've had on songs is like amazing I got Mercury's on one coming out soon I love him and his girl

I just love them to death they're awesome people why don't you tell people where they can find you at oh you can find me at any social media it's always the same it's just at echo music it's E-K-O-H music anywhere YouTube, TikTok, Twitter Oh, you can find me at any social media. It's always the same. It's just at Echo Music. It's E-K-O-H Music. Anywhere.

YouTube. TikTok. Twitter. Definitely follow us, TikTok. Whatever it is. Love it since all the other platforms are fucking dying anyways. Facebook's making a comeback. You think?

I know. I fucking hope not. I'm always in trouble on there too. Dude, they're doing it right. You think so? Yeah. We'll have to look into that. I'll tell you about what you about like what i've been doing okay on there that's been working yeah i'll definitely listen i'm all for the free game i love that shit yeah i'm really excited to

see where your career takes you dude like i'm totally stoked for you i think you're so talented and like i'm i'm very picky about the musicians i bring on my podcast and i really like i dig your shit so i'm honored and i i fuck with you guys my podcast and I really like, I dig your shit. So I'm honored. And I've, I fuck with you guys so heavy and like what you guys do and what you guys represent, both you and jelly. And that's,

if you guys ever need anything from me, don't even hesitate to ask. I'm there, dude. We, we, the, the love is mutual.

So I can't wait to have you come back on. You have to promise to come back on. Yeah. When you're like fucking mainstream blown up, like the next fucking M and M I'm down wait to have you come back on. You have to promise to come back on. Yeah. When you're like fucking mainstream blown up, like the next fucking Eminem. I'm down. I want you. I want you on my podcast again too.

Let's go. All right, dude. Thank you guys so much for tuning in to another episode of dumb blonde. We will see you guys next week. Bye.