Dumb Blonde - Throwback Thursday: Jeffree Star - The Internet OG

Episode Date: November 21, 2024

Y'all might not be ready for this one. The iconic Jeffree Star drops in this week to talk his truth on everything from the state of social media, how he built an iconic brand from nothing, what really happened to the beauty influencer community, and why he fled from LA to a yak ranch in Wyoming. He talks about what's next in his world domination, from embracing the new generation of TikTok to opening a store that sells makeup and meat.Watch Full Episodes & More:www.dumbblondeunrated.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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is this thing on bonnie who used to be a former sex worker and now hosts the podcast dumb blonde most little girls grow up wanting to be doctors and lawyers and shit and i was like i want to be super hot make a lot of fucking money and be a rock star's that was my goal as a child and here we are what's up you sexy motherfuckers welcome to another podcast today i have the enigma the social media enigma the queen of queens hi jeffree star baby thank you for having me dude this has been a long time coming it really has i'm so happy you're here thank you for having me who the fuck would have known that montana would bring us together i know so we're literally in bozeman montana we're backstage in a locker room we are we're in a

locker room the glory holes are behind me and we are meeting for the first time today we've been talking all year yes and life finally brought us together so thank you for having me and it's crazy because we did have a mutual friend who just passed away, Daniel, and he fucking loved you so much, dude. He told me- It's crazy that you met him and I like, and hung out with him for so long and I never met you. That's crazy to me. I never got to meet Daniel.

What? We were literally online friends for like 10 years. Oh my God, I thought you guys partied in Vegas back in the day as well. Nope, nope, nope. Just what we grew up around the same circle. He had the same friends I did. like we never got to actually meet but we literally talked all the time online like it was crazy i just loved that i loved him dude he was just such a good soul one of a kind yeah

so i just feel like this was like daniel's doing possibly like pushing us together that's beautiful i have seen so many podcasts of you and I feel like. Did you notice how I was like silent for a long time and then I just, it was like, you know what? It's time to talk. What brought that on? I think during 2020 and like during the pandemic, like I had such a crazy trajectory and then the pandemic and so much online

drama like exploded. Yeah. So I moved to Wyoming. I went to therapy. I really worked on myself and i was like you know what i want to share that journey not just all the dramatic chaotic you know shit and just makeup stuff only i wanted to share how i healed i love that let people see like who i am now you know so i started doing podcasts is amazing and thank you and a lot of males fixate um on sex every time i'm on their

podcast we all know i'm never gonna fully kiss and tell i love that about you because i'm the same way i was a hooker in vegas period so i'm never gonna kiss and tell the celebrities that fucking what do you get when you put two escorts together jeffrey and bunny so a lot of people don't know that i used to be the queen of craigslist in la yes um i used to make so much money during the myspace era oh yeah for sure and then so when you say queen of craigslist where you mean like putting like ads on there and stuff or like yeah to do yep and i and i recently found some old ads in my old account i love because i am writing an autobiography finally that's brave because craigslist and Backpage, man, you literally like.

Oh, I miss Backpage. You were literally risking your life to be on those. I did Eros. I was an Eros girl. So I literally would post my ads and then, you know, screen them. And then sometimes I would work for the services in Vegas and stuff like that. And networking. We're in big cities.

So it's like people think like they think we're like at the street corner with no teeth with a thumb out. There's levels to this shit. Levels. I try to explain that to people all the time. Nobody gets it. And then you start networking and meeting people. So I'm this broke kid.

I moved out at 17. I was like, fuck you to my mother. Let's rewind that. Let's rewind it. Then we'll get to the head and the bottoming. So I want to rewind it back because you remind me so much of myself we have been through a lot of shit we mask it with dirty jokes and humor and humor very dark humor and you know going through the stuff that you've gone through i don't i'm pretty sure you know half of my

following probably does know your story but i'm sure the other half doesn't. And I think that that really is an epic part of your journey because it's showing overcoming. Yes. So we're survivors. Yeah, exactly. Yes, for sure. So growing up, you grew up in Orange County, California. So I'm from Huntington Beach, 714. And it was really boring growing up. Like it was just everyone was like surfing and skating. And I just never really felt like I fit in. I was very punk rock. I had I was the first person to have like pink hair dye at my school. And I just tried to break all the barriers without really knowing it. I was just like, well, I'm going to be me and

I'm going to be myself. And for some reason, I got over the part where you care what other people think. At an early age. At an early age. I think because my childhood was so chaotic. My parents were drunk my whole life. And so people don't know this. Well, some people do, but I've never tried alcohol. And I think people sometimes have a hard time believing that.

Because, you know, we always used to post pictures with stuff. So there's photos of me with like a whiskey bottle. I'm like, yeah, it's all for show. Sponsorships too. it's literally all for show so you know people always dig things out of the ashes but i've never tried alcohol i never will um my dad died when i was five so he drank himself to death he killed himself and he was just really miserable and did he commit suicide or did he die from cirrhosis? It's like a tricky line. Right. But suicide.

Right. Yeah. So he was like on the brink and was like, okay, I'm finally done. So the last time I remember seeing him, his skin was yellow. His eyebrows were falling out. He looked horrific and he grabbed me by the arm and I was five and a half. And he was like, please don't ever drink. Like it's ruined our family. And that was my last memory of my dad.

That was his blessing to you. Yeah. It was wild. Yeah. So that was my last memory of my dad. That was his blessing to you. Yeah. It was wild. Yeah. So my mom spiraled and obviously got worse. Right. So she would drink, recycle the beer cans to get more alcohol and just had a string of really annoying boyfriends. No one ever like abusive or crazy, but just always fighting.

She never fell in love again. She was literally in love with my dad and it didn't work out because he couldn't stop drinking. That was what ruined the marriage. What when you're five years old and your father passes away, how are you feeling? Like, do you remember any of it? I do. I remember my mom telling me like a week or two after I saw him, she took me to the same park and she goes, Hey, like she tried to explain to me, like my dad died. And she always likes to say this. I literally like blinked, immediately put all the trauma away and was like, okay, can

we get some more ice cream? So you knew just growing up in chaos that it was better to just push it down instead of react. Yes. It had, which was horrible for me later when all the like emotions and traumas and demons were coming out and i'm in high school my whole body's the cutting board yeah i'm like fully and like i see you know secret one not like i want attention like you know it's i feel like back in the day mental health was not talked about talked about it like how it is yeah

and in cookie cutter orange county no one was talking about feelings. Right. It's like, get the fuck over it. You know, everyone's, all the husbands are cheating on the wives. All the, you know, everyone's getting beat. All these crazy things are happening and it's just swept under the rug. And it's like the row housewives of Orange County. Absolutely.

Yeah, no, it really is. The West Coast is a different beast. People don't understand that unless you've grown up on the West Coast. It's a completely different way of thinking and way of living. As like, you know, fucking Montana or fucking Wyoming. So I didn't untrain this behavior up on the west coast it's completely different way of thinking and way of living as like you know fucking montana or yes fucking wyoming so i didn't untrain this behavior until probably like

six years ago when you were cutting was that your way of just kind of like relieving the pain and did i it was like no she didn't know for years and then i slipped up and got comfortable and she saw it for the first time was it on your arms is that why it was everywhere but I would wear like heavy clothes all the time it would be 90 degrees but I was gothic and my style was very punk rock so no one ever questioned it yeah you know it would be like I would I had photography class and I would go in the dark room and cut my legs and then come back out and no one ever knew like crazy stuff like that you're just hurting so bad yeah so I felt like it helped me feel a little bit because I felt so numb and like dead inside but I never wanted to kill myself right I never had thoughts well because your dad passed away that way so possibly that was like so I never had the

thoughts of like I want to end my life but I was doing it to just feel something. Right. I understand that. And then it became like an addiction. Well, you get addicted to the pain because it's the only time that you actually. It was really fucked up as I was also addicted to the watching it heal. Wow. It was like. That's deep.

Yeah. Hi, nice to meet you. Don't start joking. No, yeah. It was really like, yeah, it was that serious. That's so much trauma to go through at such a young age. When did you start cutting? I would say like ninth grade. And then I stopped when I graduated high school and I broke away.

But my mom did catch me. So we're in this little apartment and she always made me do chores. Single mother, only child. And I'm a Scorpio. It's a lot there. I think you might have a lot of Capricorn. It's a lot there. Cap and Sag.

I want to do your birth chart. Have you done your birth chart? What is it? It's stunning. I'll show you later. He's like, I'm not showing anybody online. It's stunning. So she caught me when I was doing the dishes.

She always made me do chores and clean the bathroom and have manners and la la la. And I was a straight A student. She said, you can look however you want. Do whatever you want. Dye your hair pink, red, black. Do extensions. I shaved off my eyebrows in 10th grade. No one was doing that.

At all. It was like horror and shock. Right. You're like a pioneer of sorts. It was crazy. And she caught me one day when I was doing the dishes. And I wasn't wearing long sleeves. And she caught me one day when I was doing the dishes and I wasn't wearing long sleeves and she came home from work early.

And when you've been doing it for so long. So she caught me and she saw the side of the arm. I'll never forget it. What did she say? I mean, you know, most parents don't fully know how to articulate it because they immediately go to he wants to die. And it's like, you know, and she is a fucking train wreck. So you are bitch.

You're my mom. Trust me. I get it. Yeah. Who's got a teenager? We do. And guess what? She is ridiculously hard to keep track of.

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I'm going to L.A. And by then I had been going to a lot of shows. I was 17 with the fake ID going to the Key Club, the whiskey on sunset. I had a fake ID too. I was at the Rio and fucking pinkies and all that shit. And I would wear so much makeup. No one really knew how old I, like they couldn't tell if I was 16 or 30, you know? Let's dial it back real quick before you left home because didn't,

wasn't one of your first sexual experiences at 12? Yeah. I mean, how do you even know to have sex at 12. oh my god um i don't know it just naturally happened and i think boys are really curious but men don't like to talk about this stuff right so when you're in like ninth ten well this is eighth grade for me right so let's dial it back to eighth grade right me and this guy jeff and the football team and a foreign exchange not another Jeff yeah so the first guy I ever blew had the same name as me well life so you were already feeling that you

were into boys yeah so eighth grade was the first experience fifth grade was when I was like oh like okay girls are attractive but I'm more attracted to men gotcha and yes i've slept with both i love everyone but i prefer men yeah um but i love everyone i loved boys and makeup boy george was my first crush hate it love boy george but i am not attracted to men in makeup really i don't like femininity i like you like masculine man i love that so if someone looked like me it's the biggest turn off right well yeah i wouldn't want to somebody who looked like me, it's the biggest turnoff. Right. Well, yeah. I wouldn't want to fuck somebody who looked like me either. So I get it. Yeah. Like I'm not into glam boys. I'm not into femininity, but I love a bad bitch. Like you're

fucking hot. I love you. But I don't want like a guy in makeup. Right. But you know what? My dad was a musician and he had long black hair and he played in the band and he had, you know, so I've always been attracted to the emo boys, you know, the Chris Motionless. Yep. He was just in Wyoming. Yeah. I can't. We're talking about that later.

We can't, but we'll have to bleep his name out. No eyeliner, like nice body tattoos, whatever. Like sports guys, right? Or no? Nowadays. Or just like country boys. nice body tattoos whatever like sports guys right or no nowadays but in the warped tour days it was like country boys and like scene boys the myspace you know yeah oh my god so giving flashbacks dialing i'm in heat we're in eighth grade i'm ready to swallow fifth okay fifth grade you were already attracted to boys. And then eighth grade, you were even Jeff. And I already looked different, where in fifth grade was the first time I was called a gay lord and a faggot. Aw.

Oh, yeah. Really? Oh, absolutely. Kids are so fucking mean to me. It was this era of 90s where, like, the guys wanted to be, like, gangster and wear baggy flannel and these huge Tommy Hilfiger. All I dated was gangsters and i was more like little button up boy scout like tight cut military haircut because my grant my grandparents raised me while my mom was getting sober right so she got sober when i was in high

school finally oh good thank god and she's been sober since yay mom congratulations to her 23 years let's go let's fucking go but yeah it was so 12 years old you and Jeff hook up and it turned into a threesome right yeah so my first like real experience with a guy was with two guys okay gotcha and while I've been writing my book I've been told by the guy that's writing with me which by the way I love Neil Strauss he's a genius don't fuck around like he loved him so he definitely let me analyze myself very deeply with this. And he's like, everything you do without you knowing it is extreme. And I was like, huh.

And that hit me hard in a good way. But it's just like everything I do, like, oh, I bought some land. Now it's the biggest yak ranch in America. And I'm in seven restaurants. I can't just like let things be. Right. Well, you came from nothing. And I'm literally, I'm a money hoarder

Literally, I have so much shit like it's crazy once you when you come from nothing Yes, you want everything when you turn turned dirt into diamonds literally and you're never happy like that It's once you reach one goal. It's the next goal. It's the next goal. Yes school. Okay good. You understand Yeah, no, totally. I have a lot of Capricorn in me though, too i'm like i never give up i'm literally just always going um so moving on after your first threesome take me on that journey you're 17 you are leaving home you're going i literally got a u-haul i might and i always had older friends of course i hate i hated immature little kids um so someone i was the same way that's. So they rented me a U-Haul. We pulled up.

I said, bye, mom. Like, I'm out. And she just let you go? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what was she going to do? But it was good. It was really good.

But I had to grow up quick. Right. So. Especially on the streets of Hollywood. Yes. So my birthday is in November. So then I turn. School's over in June, July.

So I'm doing like little freelance makeup jobs, barely making it by. And I'm sleeping on someone's couch. She works at Mac makeup. She's like, you're 18 now. Like you need to work at Mac. Your makeup's so fierce. Like, hello. And she was way older than me. So she got me the in. And obviously I sold myself my first job. So my first job ever was at mac cosmetics and now i'm their competitor yeah literally you went in there took all their tips and tricks i'm a mac alumni i have i have ruby woo lipstick tattooed on my arm i'm a mac alumni forever like and i still wear their powder i love it i could totally picture you being at mac too yeah highest

seller i bet but then it already started. Everyone already, you know, the jealousy, the craziness, the, and then I learned the industry was really catty. It wasn't about the artistry. It was all very competitive and LA was like very cutthroat. And back then there wasn't a million makeup artists like there is now. Right. There was no technology, no phone.

No one could even process that. Right. We barely just started having phones. Right. Right. So there was no. I had beepers and yeah i'm looking at my when i look down i'm looking at my list of notes that i have so and what were you saying um you were talking about come on hybrid and indica squirrel um you were talking about mac baby and everybody's being a hater we were freelancing we were going to different locations.

And I always had the top sales. It was really fun. And as you meet people in the store as customers, you start networking. So from day one, my online journey. And by the way, I was already online at this point. Right. I was already on these websites that people don't even know exist, like hotornot.com. Dude, I loved hotornot. And LiveJournal and all these things that people don't even know existed.

No, that was our childhood. Yes childhood yes literally so i would meet people is anyone up dot com is anyone up oh jesus all those oh my god yes and all of a sudden i'm getting clients outside of the store right and i'm doing makeup for music videos lo-fi z-list movies that no one's ever heard of and then I meet this girl and I start working for Hustler. I start doing makeup for porn. Wow. At 19. So I just started networking and just making as much money as I could. But for the lifestyle I knew I was meant for, it wasn't enough. Right. So that's when someone introduced, of course, I did some girls makeup. She was about to go turn a trick, didn't know it. And she's like, oh, baby, the guys would love you.

Yeah. I'll never forget her saying that line. And I was like, what do you mean? And she's like this and this. And I was like, I can't like I didn't even fully understand. A lot of men have fantasies. La la la. So I'm ignorant. Bitch, she sold me out in a good way. She turned you out yeah yeah she got her 10 percent we love that oh my god so i started the journey of hustling and doing sex work which i haven't really talked about much i think it's important but it is to know that i'm so i'm never ashamed ever i feel like people think that we should be ashamed for what we had to do to survive and i'm never gonna apologize even though i'm at this stage of my life i sometimes still wish i could do it

it was so it was a different time where like if you wanted to wake up and make x amount of dollars you could it was it on what you guys do one day let's go that or even a sugar daddy have a sugar daddy who just gave you i had a few of them i even had ones online that i never met yeah so people were like okay you're on myspace how did you people would send me high-powered cameras i didn't know that existed and i would teach myself everything so i was one of the first people to do a vlog wow me and paris hilton were the first ones to ever make money off of being a social media star absolutely so i coined internet um an internet celebrity absolutely i remember the first time i saw you was myspace it was you forbidden oh my god rest in peace i know how

sad tequila tequila tequila where the fuck is and i'm the last one standing bitch and normal somewhat that's it oh my god you haven't lost your mind this tequila's crazy i know forbidden could never escape not being a star anymore. And God bless her addiction, alcohol. Yeah. That's literally like in Orange County's culture. I hate it. No, it's so sad because she was such a beautiful woman.

But Teela, I don't know what the fuck happened. I think she had an aneurysm and just never got right after that, right? I have no idea. Isn't that what happened? They say it's the Illuminati, but I'm not sure. No, we're not claiming her. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no.

We don't know who that is. She wanted to be part of the club. Right. No, thank you. Aw. Yeah. I don't think she made enough money, right? No.

Don't you have to have like a certain amount of money to get into the Illuminati? I'm not sure. I played the fifth. Everybody thinks my husband and I are in the Illuminati. And I'm like, I'm glad you guys think we have that much money. Like, it's not what it is yeah it's interesting yeah life's very interesting yeah definitely so I moved to Wyoming and I escaped a lot of things right so let's dial back though you had style about you had started doing sex

work and how long did you do sex work for did you use that as like a means to an end while you were doing social media? Yeah. Okay. Exactly. Okay. And then like the Warped Tour days really took off and I started doing music. Yes.

I loved Beauty Killer. So people forget. Thank you. Oh my God. That I was obviously a working makeup artist. Yeah. And then MySpace and social media really exploded for me. Yeah. And I started to all of a sudden have like merchandise and I'm number one in Hot Topics.

So I stopped obviously doing makeup on others right people would hire me back in the day like oh will you do my wedding or like come to my daughter's birthday party like those days were very fun right but then i started doing music yeah and i did music as a joke i rapped on this hollywood undead song a very long time ago my husband just did a feature with them oh that's awesome they're still around yeah Yeah. And still kicking ass. That's it. Like love them. And the first album,

I was supposed to be on it and then there was drama and they took me off but the song was already online for free called Turn Off the Lights. Right. And it was massive.

I even re-recorded it. Interscope Records and whoever at the time took me off but the song was already massive online. Wow. And it was just very interesting. Isn't it crazy how record labels work like they're just they're evil yeah they're shady as not all but most not all but pretty much most of them

are they're just so shady um i feel like hollywood undead always had some sort of drama going on they were they were fighting each other i know it was awful sorry guys i don't mean to talk but i'm just saying no it was just back in the day yeah like they were i wish they could have worked it out yeah for sure but let's talk about your music career i mean you had like nikki minaj as a feature and like dude so cool a lot of i worked with a lot of really cool people yeah i did music i always say like as a joke but i actually really enjoyed it when i did the first rap verse i freestyled it and wrote it down in 10 minutes it was very very crass and i was like we just started freestyling right now before the camera started rolling i even put forbidden in my first verse the first yeah ever it was yeah it was that's

so funny the little last line is i watched me forbidden's that no that's so but it's so good and she loved it by the way i bet but it's just like and it was it was crazy. It was vicious. And I was like, I want to be like the obscene, like white little Kim. Right. And that was my stick. And I penned some wild that shit. It was actually really good.

I loved the what is the song? Plastic Slumber Party. Plastic Surgery, Slumber Party. That was one of my favorite songs. And that was very like lo-fi, fun, electro, MySpace music. Like Depeche Mode meets like techno. Yeah. It was really cool.

Yeah, you had to have been there. It's the best way to describe it. And for some reason, because of MySpace, and I was already popular for being me and my character, you know, this character. Right. It just got big. Why don't you pursue music anymore, though you're so good at it and it seems

like it's a passion i've been asked this for every time i do an interview really and we have definitely been dabbling for fun dude my husband will help you it's really i love it but listen i you never know there may be a little comeback. Yeah, do it, please. I think TikTok needs a Jeffree Star track. It will go fucking H-ing. I even have a new song on my phone. Can we get a little snippet? Later on the bus. Okay.

I'm like, can we get an exclusive? So I have been doing it for fun. But you're so good at it. Like, I think that's something that you need to do. And it's also a creative outlet for you. It's really cool. Yeah. And now that's something that you need to do. And it's also a creative outlet for you. It's really cool. Yeah.

And now that I'm living this Wyoming life and I'm older and my voice is less faggoty. I can say that. Number one faggot right here. My voice is deeper. Right. And I really like my voice. And someone came over the other day and we did. I'm not even kidding. You're going to die.

Beauty killer acoustic. What? No. Yeah. Yeah. And they're like, would you ever perform this before? other day and we did be i'm not even kidding you're gonna die beauty killer acoustic what no yeah yeah and they're like would you ever perform this before a scene kid that grew up with us needs that dude you have no idea so when i open up my retail store we're jumping 30 years ahead yeah i just we're just all over my opening i had yellow wolf perform yeah we love you we broke the record of biggest event ever in casper for downtown it beat even the eclipse from 2018 yay and we've never been on the moon.

But anyway, that's for that's for the next ten minutes. It was epic. I love. So I was like, you know what? Everyone's you should go perform a song. And I was like, Oh, hell no. But then actually kind of inspired me.

Good. I'm proud of you. You never know what could happen. You need to do that. Do stuff that makes you set your soul on fire. Yes. You know, I feel like you've done so much shit now for not just you, but for everybody else. And to maybe prove points because from all the trauma that we have come from, we're always proving a point.

We are. And I feel like. Thank God she knows that. I feel like music for you is therapeutic. It is actually. And I also feel like it's something that you enjoy. It is. As much as like your yaks and shit.

I think because the makeup brand took off so big. Yeah. I was like, and I really you enjoy. It is. As much as like your yaks and shit. I think because the makeup brand took off so big. Yeah. I was like, and I really became engrossed. Yeah. I went from living in a one bedroom apartment with $1,000 to like, I want to be a CEO of my own company. And I had to literally teach myself everything. Yeah.

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so when we left off on your story. I just started music. You had just started music. When you decided to stop music and then when did you start getting into makeup? Oh, that's a good question. Was that like coincided with each other? It was also the music was literally like a 10 year journey.

Right. And I was always independent until the end. You were touring and everything, right? Oh, yeah. You're hopping on the tour bus tonight with us. It was wild. We had tour buses. I was performing and there was no like real label behind me.

I had an independent deal through Warner, which means I had no support. It's like a distribution deal. It was literally a distribution deal. That was it. And it was sick. And like a distribution. Yeah, it was literally a distribution deal. That was it. And it was sick. And we had, you know, we had a cute little number one dance album and la la la. But I never got the success that I wanted. Right. I wanted to be like number one.

And then there's other people in the industry coming up at the same time and they chose evil deals. Kesha, Lady Gaga. And they even stole from my Chirac oh baby and I'm not blaming them I'm blaming their stylist and their team they would go out and they would steal

Gaga for sure girl yeah like that's your whole shit it was crazy back in the day I would go and I saw their first show once and people weren't doing season she's throwing up pink on the screen right before she goes on stage. Like your serial shot, right?

Girl. The cover of Plastic Surge or Slumber Party, I'm puking pink. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. You have your finger in your mouth. I go to this woman's show.

She's throwing up pink on the Jumbotron for her first big tour. And there's nothing you can do. Devastated crying. 15 years later, I'm reviewing her concealer, we're cool. I love that.

Lady Gaga, I love you. But it was her team and later down the road when I became signed to similar folks, they all had stories and it was really dark and it's not it was her fault. When you're that big, you have such a team behind you and you're just going with the flow. No say so, literally. Yeah no say so. Like literally. Yeah, right. We never know.

But a lot of them chose horrible deals. You know, people call it selling their soul. I've always kept my soul. Yeah. And I've been offered a lot. I'm looking you in your eyes. You seem to have a soul still. I'm still here. Yeah.

Ding, ding, ding. It all cracks. He turns into a reptilian right now. Oh my God. They wanted me to go full reptile. I didn't want to. Really? Yeah.

How does that even work? How does somebody come to you and say, hey, I want you to be a reptilian? They see the potential that you can do to shift the culture. Right. And I chose to shift it myself. So people actually will come to you and say, hey, I want you to be a reptilian. What does that entail? It's more like, will you?

It's basically like selling your soul. It's such a tricky, such a tricky thing like ursula and the little mermaid like sign on the dotted line and you have to give more than that really yeah like a firstborn or like your left nut or something listen if you want that tour bus to not have the breaks go out tonight yeah no one can hear us no one no one knows we're talking about no we're good it's a tricky slope because the industry is really dark. Right. And there's a lot of people that will do.

I feel like there's such a dark side and there's also a light side. It just depends on which lane you want to go. There is. But thankfully, because of social media and people having the guts, a lot of things are now infiltrated. Right. Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein, all these things are coming out. Right.

And it's like, thank God. Yeah. So Hollywood is so scared. Yeah. Oh, I bet. There's no new artists God. Yeah. So Hollywood is so scared. Yeah. Oh, I bet. There's no new artists. They're all pushing the stupid satanic demon shit. It's all so dumb.

Like fucking, what's her name? Doja Cat. Doja Cat. Doja Cat right now. It's getting weird. It's just getting boring. It's getting uncomfortable to the point of. It's bright is what it is.

Yeah. It's just getting uncomfortable to the point of just like, who are, what are you trying to prove? We get it. You know, like you're. It's to make them feed into it like they really are. I know it's it's so boring. I listen to the new song for the first time on the plane right here.

And I was like. This is it, huh? Yeah. You're like, that's it. This is kind of cute, but it's like I just bought a limousine and I'm just like, my IQ is dropping right now. It's just it's not great. She's losing her first album. I even like paint the town red. I think it's cute. It's not great. She's losing her first album. I even like paint the town red.

I think it's cute. It has a great beat. Obviously these producers know what they're doing. They create a beat that you're going to be hooked on and you can sing it in your head. It's all a game. Yeah, for sure.

So I never played the game with these top producers. I never, I saw how dark the industry was and it was like, could go here or this way. So I fired everyone. I said goodbye to Akon. I said goodbye to convict music, I saw how dark the industry was and it was like, could go here or this way. So I fired everyone. I said goodbye to Akon. I said goodbye to convict music,

which you were assigned to Akon whenever you were doing your music. So my last few songs, it has the iconic clink convict. Do you know how cool that was? That very first time I got to put a track out with his fucking intro. It was like, I made it. It was insane. Yeah.

Prom night. The crazy single where a little kid's shooting up everyone at the end. Yep. Such a forward thinker. You really are, though. That's so fucked. You have always been. No, for sure.

For sure. You have always been ahead of your time, though. Listen, baby. Columbine had just happened. I'm like, we're going to tap into this. Because I also was getting death threats every day. It was different times. Right.

I would walk out the streets looking like this. Baggy. I was called the craziest names. Nowadays, people don't talk like that right it's all behind the keyboards fucking canceled that's it you know what i mean yeah fucking trolls and shit but back in the day it was just so different 2014 you're already doing myspace 2014 is when i started the brand right so i was gonna say your myspace was after music or before before and during okay gotcha and then remember myspace tanked finally started having its run facebook's here instagram's here all these new things are happening the population's changing the last generation's now and you know just everything's evolving so it was a very hard time for me. I let go of the music world.

Right. I knew I was never going to be number one single and performing in front of 20,000 in my head, not knowing what was going to come later. Right. And I gave it all up. And that was like the only moment where I almost felt like giving up. Not like full suicide, but it was like, it was like very hopeless. And I was sitting in this apartment that I did the documentary on, right?

Me and Shane Dawson, we even went back to the old apartment. It was so fucked. And it was just a moment of like, we're going this way or this way. So then I just started using the internet, which is free. You don't need to go to college. And I taught myself how to make a product how to build a brand and I just taught

myself everything from the ground up and there was a makeup I mean I'm in LA there's makeup labs everywhere people want to work with me but is that a really weird stage so as I quit I start I went back to the Warped Tour crowd I started selling merchandise and doing meet- greets with no music anymore. Right. Here's a sick merch line. Come meet me. Because I was broke. The tenacity, though.

I was fucking broke. Most people don't have the tenacity that you do to do that, to go and teach themselves things and to just keep fucking hustling. That's like something that you can't fucking teach people. You should be proud of yourself for that. Thank you. Survivor mentality. It was like, it was do or die yeah so on warp tour 2013 testing out my first ever lipstick formulas in the heat it was awesome oh and i'm concocting my plan and thinking about what i'm

gonna do and i'm like okay i want to put out three liquid lipsticks there's only like three brands on the market at the time kylie wasn't around then nope her lips were still normal yeah and mine weren't oh we had we got into plastic surgery at a young age because that's where that's how we grew up that's how the west coast is exactly yeah so i'm on this tour bus we're doing meet and greets every day in the hot sun. Everyone else, you know, they do their 30 minute set, their little 10 minute meet and greet. And they all go try to fuck and get wasted. I'm under that hot tent seven hours working that motherfucker, making making all the money. Yeah. Never partying.

And once the seven hours is over, then I go chill, redo my makeup. Then we swallow. Line them up. Line them up. Line them up. Line them up, baby. But, you know, it was just, it was such a crazy time for me. So I felt very hopeless. But then I'm ready to start the brand and launch this shit.

Right. I have no investor. Akon was going to own part of my brand. Shout out to Akon, amazing musician, right? Is he a good human too? He is, but he was going through so much turmoil in his life with his record label playing games and all these things he could not be the best manager for me so okay circling back we you're it's on warp tour you're

doing you're working your ass off and you're staying sober this whole time yeah yeah so you never had a problem with drugs or anything no wow so I didn So I didn't smoke. So here's a great, I didn't try weed till I was 23. Okay. We were on tour and I'm with Daniel and the very first time was in Salt Lake city at this venue and their, their house, the venue owners, their house was above the venue. Weird. And it was very cool. Shout out to Jackie. I still remember her and they had the volcano bag. Oh my God. A gravity bong type thing? No, no, no. Like the volcano, like the one that blows. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Not the bong, but like the bag. Okay, gotcha. And it's like pure vapor. So it's very strong. For your first time? Yes. Extreme. And obviously people always ask like,

why did you want to do it then? It was like in the moment, I'm feeling that, not that rockstar life, but like I had made it. I'm on stage. There's a few thousand people there every night. It was very wild times. Right. And i'm with daniel i felt very safe um and i was like you know what

let me just try it for the first time like everyone else is smoking and they're acting normal i didn't i didn't like the wasted gross aggressive emotions all this i saw the array of people really happy really violent crying trauma coming out and i'm fuck all this. When you're sober around drunk people, I just talked about this on a podcast yesterday. People don't get it. It's awful. I tell everybody I'm judging you because there's nothing attractive about a woman

spilling all over the place, a guy in your face just breathing on you. Like, I hate it. It's so gross. And people don't realize that until they're sober. Right. So it was great times, though. It was amazing.

Right. So we're at this weird trajectory of like, how am i going to get this brand launched and then once the gravity bag though yeah oh the gravity bag see i'm already on the gravity bag today so we try weed for the first time so i take a hit i'll never forget this and the bag's like big and you take a hit and i'm like i literally felt nothing and a lot of people go well sometimes the cannabinoids don't work on your first time yeah whatever oh fuck so I didn't know the vapor takes like mmm maybe 5

to 10 minutes to like kind of kick in so Mr. Extreme over here I take like 5 more hits and I'm like nothing's happening this is so like wow I can't believe I took this long to try weed and nothing's happening this is so like wow I can't believe I took this long to try weed and nothing's happening it hit me like a train oh no in the best way oh good no bad first trip good

I can't stop laughing oh I'm already a silly bitch yeah me and Daniel are on this is cheetah print rug oh I'm laughing hysterically in my fucking underwear. The show's done. I'm all sweaty. You know, I mean, we're just up there chilling. Everyone's getting a drink. La la la. I cannot stop laughing.

The munchies hit. Oh, and we're like, OK, we start saying goodbye. I'm high for hours. We get into the van to go to the hotel. The little looking to the little looking to. We're in the van going to the hotel. And I feel like we're on a roller coaster. And we're going 35 miles an hour. I'm laughing.

We get to the hotel. I clean out the vending machine. Oh. I have no idea, but I'm so high. My brain blacks out. Oh, no. I wake up. There's chili Frito bags, Funyuns, Snicker bars.

Like, I cleaned out that bitch. And I had an eating fest with Daniel. We ordered pizza. I don't remember ordering. And I had the best sleep of my life. That's what I remember. What a fucking great memory of you two. It was beautiful.

And I felt so safe with Daniel. I love that. So I start my journey of liking weed. And I didn't fully really get into it until I started my brand and I felt comfortable and now I you know I I've said I've been high for 10 years but marijuana has been a really big I don't know it's so hard to like claim something as doing something right but it definitely has helped my creativity flourish right do you battle with mental illness still or anything honestly no not really like we

all cutting or anything like that anymore i was gonna say maybe it like eases that yeah it does take away full anxiety i could i don't ever really feel anxious but i do smoke weed every day um where it's legal yeah and let's say my team's like yo okay i created a concept but you need to name these 35 eyeshadows like now right puff it starts coming out I need like if I that's what music oh my god I did that first album mm-hmm I had never really smoked right beauty killer and all the but it was a way for you to channel yeah your energy yes throw yourself into something that you really enjoy yeah I love that it's really cool so let's

talk about something else that you enjoy makeup do you still enjoy makeup i really do yeah yeah and skincare now too obsessed the older we get yeah i've always loved skincare i used to tell people as young as 15 don't move your face right yeah which was always my thing that's why i'm frozen now as i get older i don't care i dissolved all my filler and I'm just kind of living a more free life, but I'm still me. I'm still a Jeffrey fucking star. Do you do Botox or anything? I haven't in two years. Wow. It looks amazing though. I have to have it. I can't, when I start getting the wrinkles in the forehead, I freak out. Yeah. I do have more wrinkles. I'm not embracing them. Maybe they'll go away this, this winter. You look great though. Thank you. But I'm just doing a little more.

Like, my lips were too crazy, so I dissolved a lot. And, you know, when things start to migrate. I look like fucking Marge Simpson. So I had to tone it down for me. Like, below my nose was getting weird. No, your face is perfect. Thank you. You look beautiful.

So I had to tone it down a notch for me. Yeah. But we always do things for us, not for anybody else. But I always go extreme. Yeah, for sure. So you started the makeup brand in 2014. 2014. I launched three liquid lips on Black Friday.

And you were looking for an investor. Akon was going to invest, but he couldn't. He was out. Next, let's hit it. My best friend of 12 years, Kat Von D. She's down. She shows me a makeup lab and I start doing my formula. She literally gives me a sample with a name of the lab.

I call it do all the work. When she tried to destroy my career online, which flopped and backfired, she said she did everything. It was the biggest insult I think I've ever felt in my entire life. Because I did everything. Yeah, it's always hurtful when a friendship breaks up. It's like worse than a divorce.

And publicly for the very first time, because I had not really done online drama. Then after that, as bigger as things got, oh, it was a bloodbath. I feel like people just come for you just to be at this point. They used to all the time just to get attention. But it was my first big taste of the internet flipping without knowing any facts. Oh, they don't care. And then days later, if I recall, they all flip back and realize it was all full of shit yeah they don't care but it was so hurtful for someone to say i created his brand it was like but it was believable that was a

problem and now no because she was a little bit bigger than you back absolutely right because she had that and she liked having more money than me and she liked being the friend that had more so when i surpassed her, she flipped on me. 12 year friendship. She's tattooed my whole body. 50 portraits. Would you guys ever be friends again? No.

You just, because of you? Because of the way I was treated. I can never, forgiving is fine when you get older. You can never go back to someone that stabbed you that hard. Well, you can forgive but not forget. Yes. So it was one of the most painful things i've gone through do you think maybe she's grown a lot since being a wife and i'm just playing devil's advocate yeah no i honestly have no idea yeah i'm one of those people that now that i've i've really helped myself i don't lurk it's like the old days i would care what everyone's doing it's so unhealthy it is

it's very toxic i need to stop doing that. I don't. So I don't read the news. I don't know what's happening anymore. I don't care who's fucking who. What's this? Who did this? Who?

I just don't care. It's so unhealthy. You just get to a point of just. Yes. But when you're in the same world. Yes. You're told she has a kid now. That's crazy.

Crazy. Yeah. Insane. That shit shit that's fucking insane yeah and when you say also like i hate children and then you have one anyone's allowed to change their mind obviously i've grown a lot it was wild to see someone become a parent right so hopefully it makes them nicer i feel like trisha paytas having a kid has helped her grow a little bit too, you know? So I feel like, I think, I don't know.

I've never had my own child, so I wouldn't know, but I feel like children soften women too. So, you know, you never know. Never say never. Maybe you guys will cross paths somewhere down the road and be able to,

you know, Trisha, maybe. Yeah. Trisha just did. She did me and Jay wrong And made up a whole drama And then had a kid Trisha actually flaked on me yesterday

I came off tour To fucking do her podcast Well to do her podcast And her come on my podcast And she texted me an hour Before she was supposed to show up That she wasn't coming That's so unprofessional

But I'm just you know it is what it is and everything. Well, I normally don't talk about drama because the old Jeffrey people just think things so differently than who I am. Yeah. So I just kind of stray away from that. And I don't like feeding into these things. No, never. But she did me really wrong. She made up all these lies that I fat shamed her and called her.

All these things never happened. Right. Never happened. And then she gets in a fight looking for clout to. Of course she all these things. Never happened. Right. Never happened. And then she gets in a fight. Do you think she was looking for clout too? Of course she was. That was her stick. Right, right, right. And it was at a time where people wanted to hate me and Shane Dawson.

Right. So she picks a huge fight with my hairdresser, Jay, right here. And it just turned into a bloodbath. Jay, how could you pick on Jay? He seems like a sweetheart. And he went in on her. And the thing is, is like normal folks don't ever really hear someone like going in. Right.

Like, yeah, when you're angry and you're hurt, you're going to fucking lash out and you're going to let someone have it. Oh, if I tell somebody off, I'm a bully. He told her off in the fucking funniest way. And they all tried to turn on us like we were the devil. I'm like, I've never. I literally just flew her to Vegas. We're front row at Mariah Carey.

The Internet starts turning on me and Shane during the pandemic. She flips and makes up a whole story. The vlog was filmed on her channel. Her being in love with all of us. We go to Vegas. We take her on a shopping spree. We do all these amazing things. She deletes the vlog, makes up lies about me and him. And

the internet at the time, they ran with it. She hurt me deeply. And she's never apologized i hate that well trisha if you're listening i hope that maybe hearing his side of the story will make you want it was hurtful and she knows it was oh i hate that i never knew any of that i'd stay out of the drama we never spoke again wow and it was like damn it was really hurtful we just sold two million palettes and there's a trisha fucking eyeshadow in it oh the internet's starting to like him and

shane i'm gonna turn on them so instead of everyone being like wow i know these people or me personally they all started to flip instead of because they were it was a time where cancel culture was so prominent right so all the celebrities are unfollowing everyone's feeding into it and it's like wow you start to feel like a fucking piece of shit and it was really dark so she played me she got what she wanted at the time and now now she's doing her and canceling your podcast yeah yeah yeah i had no idea the drama between you guys i've never gotten into it's very one-sided yeah no i get it which is which sucks yeah because normally i'm like bitch like i have some shit to say i don't even have anything bad to say about her she's flipped on me no i'm the same way i i get drug into say. I don't even have anything bad to say about her. She flipped on me.

No, I'm the same way. I get drug into drama that I don't even want to fucking be in. And I never know. All the time, of course. I never knew the story. I was just telling my experience that I had had. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And letting you know. But I'm ready to share because I have never really talked about it.

And I think that I never got to say my piece because no one wanted to hear what I had to say at the time. I know. I just hate that for you. I feel like you're so misunderstood. Not now, I feel like with TikTok, everybody's starting to get to see the real you or the grown you, and I feel like everybody's loving it and embracing it.

Her saying misunderstood was the only time today where I felt like a tinge of wanting to cry. Aw, I love you. Guess what, you want a hug? Let's hug. Later. Okay. Listen. But yeah, it's hard when you have success to say you feel any type of way because people

equate money to you feeling fine. Yeah. I never started the brand to make money. Right. It grew insane. And then I... You started the brand because you came from nothing and you had something to prove. Yes.

You didn't want to be a piece of shit. That part. Or whatever, a derogatory name that people were calling you had something to prove. Yes. You didn't want to be a piece of shit. Your whole, or you know, whatever people, a derogatory name that people were calling you. I totally understand. I've been a hooker my entire life. Now I'm a millionaire because I fucking work.

And they can't understand. Yeah. Like they can't let go of that past, but they want to, you know, they don't want to acknowledge what I've done with my clothes on, you know? So I totally understand where you're coming from.

Let's talk about the brand though. So you started in, I started it. started it and so Kat was gonna be the investor yes flips on me we all know that how that ended and it's not funny she doesn't have owner brand anymore it's gone yeah the irony in the last my brand turns 9 years old this November crazy so grateful for the journey. We, so I then in the music industry, I'm like, okay, I have no, I have no investor. I've already met the lab. The three colors are done. The formula is better than the ones on the market that have no money. So I'm sitting there in full hopelessness, but I'm like, I'm still a hustler. Hello. So how many dicks do I got to suck? That's

it. And, and shockingly none to get the first loan good for you that great so i start hitting up booking agents people that are in the industry do you know anyone connections that you've made i know everyone yeah i know all the all the booking agents from the little punk rock venues to house of blues to the arenas and i'm like okay i'm gonna start networking i start calling people this guy that owns samarian records had a meeting with me and the co-owners of samarian records ash and jeff cohen invested in me and believed in the project and all i feel good it was insane to have somebody believe to finally in your vision clicked of like you you have the funds to make the dream a reality and all i needed was a hundred thousand so i i put everything i had in and they gave me the last of what i needed on launch day

i paid them back in five minutes wow it was i just got goosebumps it was beautiful because it was so like is anyone going to care i'm like i have to do a photo shoot i do a photo shoot in a pink coffin yeah my first brand shoot ever and my eyes are open and i'm like the I have to do a photo shoot. I do a photo shoot in a pink coffin. Yeah. My first brand shoot ever. And my eyes are open and I'm like the liquid lipstick you've all been dying for coming soon. And that was this journey of my, of even creating a website, letting people know where you are. And then it was just like, you know, releasing colors. And then the first highlighter, then the first lip scrub. And now it's spiraled into this massive thing.

And it's just so beautiful. And I'm so in love with makeup and i've changed the entire industry literally everything i enter even tiktok industry i'm changing tiktok right now i'm taking the credit from doing the live streams of the live crowd dude we crack up seeing you on live all the time i'm like you never know what you're getting i'm like jeffrey is fucking hilarious no you're hilarious and then battling like the tiktok creators yeah the people that i didn't know existed and then becoming part of the family and then half of them fucking loving me and you know half them fucking hate me i don't think they hate you i think they just hate to love you yeah that's really can't believe i joined their platform and i'm loving it they some people are shook i was so happy when i saw you on there

i was like jeffrey's on tiktok i was like it's about fucking time i know so in the pandemic when it was this whole dancing era i hated it i wouldn't do it either i was like you're not gonna catch my fucking it was the first time where i was like wow i'm not progressing with the internet culture but youtube is still so big so let's go to start the brand. I learned what a beauty influencer is. Rolling my fucking eyes in the back of my skull right now. I feel like everybody's so catty in that industry. I start doing YouTube. I upload my first tutorial.

Now remember, I always forget to tell this to people. No one had seen me without makeup on before. So my big. Which I think you're gorgeous without makeup on. I love you without makeup on. And a lot of people do. Thank you for saying that. But I wasn't ready and I felt insecure about it. So it was your whole, it was your mask. It was everything. Your entire life. Exactly. You hid behind that. Absolutely. And now that my trauma was starting to heal, I wasn't broke anymore. I had tax evasion. My bank account was frozen. No one knew

any of this. And it was really, really dark times. I started the IRS is a real fucking gangster. That's it. They love me. They do. They love me. And it, and I, it transformed my entire life. So as I started to heal, the big shock was I'm going to be bare face on YouTube yeah and I saw what the other girls are doing so boring we all know I fuck it everything I enter I love that you always want to do your own thing cuz I'm the same exact way I don't want to follow everybody that's it so I enter YouTube I'm the first person I'm doing a tutorial lighting up the bowl they change the rules you can't do that anymore yeah 2015 16 17 oh my god and then 18 19 was just obviously in fucking credible and my channel went from 100 000 to 18 million people and it was just like how is this real from tutorials to showing

everything about my i call it my marriage my five-year marriage from every surgery to every mistake is all on my channel yeah and i quit last year you shared your life with everybody i did i was so invested in you and nate's relationship that is it was beautiful it was gorgeous to watch and thank you because i fell in love for the first time not knowing it was going to be on camera really right and it was really cool yeah i finally felt loved for the first time by another man that didn't want me to be a secret and it really helped me heal so being in love in that relationship really helped me heal what happened with you guys if you don't mind me asking can we talk about it um there's a lot of

paperwork involved wow really yeah wow yep on his part um we yeah yep i just went and lurked his instagram last night and he doesn't look like he's doing well. Really? No. Oh my God. That's so weird to hear. Cause I don't lurk anymore. Obviously this was.

I was like, where is he? Cause I was writing my questions down. Oh my God. This November I'm four years single. I mean, no, I've dated people. That's not fair to say, but in a deep, real relationship. Yeah. Are you, do you think that maybe you're scared?

Of what? Of falling in love again? Oh, that's a great question. Yeah. Are you, do you think that maybe you're scared? Of what? Of falling in love again? Oh, that's a great question. No, I, and I'll get back to that. No, I'm open now. I'm not afraid. I'm not afraid at all. I know. No, I'm really not. Like I'm very open to it. Um, haven't met the right person. I've dated some people. We've had a good time. La la la. But I haven't met anyone like I felt when I met him. And our souls were like, wow. Twin flames. Yeah.

Had no idea. So I have not felt that since. Our breakup can legally not be discussed. Gotcha. I hate that for you, baby. I'm so sorry, everyone wants the tea I know I know It's not like I even want to talk about it It's just it's a normal thing

Like you can legally talk about your breakups And whatever I cannot Which is a different world we live in So we had a great time So there's not one person that you have met That has like just set your soul on fire. Not since. Oh.

You're just. That's my vibrator. It's on the bus. It's my blood pressure cuff in my purse. When it goes off, people think it's a vibrator. It's the NDA vibrating in my backpack. Literally. Oh, fuck.

So moving on. So you lurked. That's so funny. Yeah. And what is your synopsis? Miss Bunny? Yeah, because I was writing on my interview last night, and I was like, where the fuck is Nate?

Because that is the only part of your life that I was ever invested in. I have not been invested since. No offense. No, I love that. I don't get in the drama, and I just love you as a human. I love that. Thank you. So you did a little lurking for me. I did on Nate's profile and he looks and I you know this is just my observation

I'm not saying anything I don't know anything okay he looks like he might be under the influence of something not positive but he just doesn't look mentally okay you know so I don't know I even said that to Haley earlier today i was like he didn't look good like you can look at you and see that you're glowing and that you're trying to heal and you know be a better human and with him it just kind of looks like he's lost probably so that's interesting yeah oh my god do you ever miss him? No. Okay. Moving on. I love all the times we had though.

And a lot of it, which is funny, is on camera. Right. We went to Bora Bora for the first time together. Like those were so cool. And obviously there were so many moments off camera of love and affection. And, you know, we had little pieces on YouTube, but it was a beautiful relationship. It really was. And I had really fell in love with the first time it served its purpose yeah and it did and it was so it was really great for me because it really did like i said help me heal

and i think it's hard for people if you haven't really fallen in love what that feels like because i thought it was made up and then it happened to me he probably helped heal a bunch of childhood trauma wounds you know he did you know growing up in chaotic households like we grew up in we searched for that puzzle piece that can make us feel like the you know the little kid that we were before so cliche when i stopped looking is when it hit yeah but hello i've never dated a fucking a big guy before and i literally had sworn off all dudes. And then here comes this fucking big squish.

And he fucking just bounces into my life, dude. And I just love him. And the souls connect. Literally. And he cannot explain it. At all. That's so cool. It's just seven years and I just couldn't imagine life without him.

So it's going to happen for you again too. Because you're a beautiful human. Thank you. And you deserve to be loved. I agree. And I'm open to it. Yeah. Well, you guys hear that?

Jeffrey's looking. Well, no. Jeffrey's not looking. He's open. You never know. know yeah right now i'm back in my hoe era i think would it be a regular guy or would it have to be somebody who's on the same level as you i would think trying to date you would be hard it is yeah but i'm also really busy so it's hard to right now want to give a bigger piece of me right now. Right. I'm obsessed with my ranch. I'm a real farmer. Yeah. Like I'm out there in Louis Vuitton covered in yak

shit. I got over 350 yaks. I have four Bactrian camels. I know why you love yaks. I've come to the conclusion because I was pulling up a picture of them the other day. And they're the most diva of all cows. I was like what the fuck is a yak? Did you come to that terminology? Tell me that's not the scene kid of the animal kingdom.

That is a Highland Scottish cow. Okay. Well, I thought it was a yak. But they look very similar. Okay. They do look similar. Gotcha. I was like, it's the hair. It's the emo hair. So yaks, those are called so the yaks that look like that are called super woolies. Okay. And there's different

like hair on the yak, but they're all really beautiful. They're like, I call them the diva of all cows are they fucking majestic as fuck i can't wait i'm so excited i live at the base of the mountain can i ride one yeah um you can ride a camel no no yaks yeah but you can pet a yak you can rub one to the ground oh they're really cool creatures and are they just so loving yeah i heard the coolest uh quote the other day that said um if you want to buy land and fill it with animals it's because in the time of need that you had during your trauma that was what the only thing that was there for you were the animals and i was like that's me because i can't wait to dye my hair red and fucking be a gardener and fucking be ugly and just also have

i don't want to eat horrible food right that we're probably being poisoned with what is your diet um pretty pretty bad that's way better now yeah so let me let me drop a shot let me drop a shocker no fast food really yeah obviously i've had in and out once or twice a year but i used to eat and promote fast food like it was part of my thing right and i do not i haven't eaten fast food in like three years. Yeah. I don't eat fast food either. I ate In-N-Out when we were in Vegas.

Yeah. Sometimes you have to. I literally didn't mean sauerkraut and ground chicken today to just make me feel better. I love food. Yeah. And I eat a lot of yak now. Yeah. So obviously I raise them for pets and breeding.

But now I have a full meat operation. Do you have certain yaks that you love? Yes. They get to live? People always go in on me like, you're killing your pets. The ones I name and I'm rubbing on on Instagram obviously are not being slaughtered for meat. You're not taking...

No, we're not taking Snowflake and Snowstorm to the butcher. So we have a whole meat herd, which you'll see when you come to the ranch. I can't wait. And they're just there for food. We're in six restaurants now. Wow. It's unreal. We're in the busiest steakhouse in all of wyoming called fire rock i love that maybe we'll have to go there oh yeah or we'll cook them at the house whatever you want whatever you want yak steaks so then of course i opened up my new store right the jeffree star store

we're gonna go visit makeup and meat okay so let's before we get to the store, you quit YouTube. You fucking left LA. After almost nine years on YouTube, billions of views. Did you just have enough? It ran its course. And then the drama from all my old friends, they ruined YouTube. It's their fault. They really did. So the last final hurrah was two ex-friends uploaded a video full of lies about me.

And it literally ruined the internet it was at a point where people did not want drama anymore it's on cnn 50 million views and they're all trying to flip on me because i just keep climbing and climbing right so we all kind of and then youtube itself kind of broke the beauty industry of youtube was dead right we're all getting 30 million views. No one cares anymore. Right. And it's a new era.

The monetization on it has changed even. Yes. Yeah. But the cool thing is all my old videos are still there. Yeah. I get a check every month from Google. Yeah. It's like residuals on music. It's pretty cool.

Yeah. So will I ever upload again? I don't know. Maybe I've been asked when I launched big makeup collections to go back and swatch them in a 30 minute video. Yeah. Versus this quick TikTok. Like, how do you promote a collection with 10 new items with a quick little 30 seconds? So you never know. I think if anybody can figure anything out, it's you. Absolutely. You can make anything your bitch, but I was burnt out. Yeah. So we're on 20 years of social media.

Yeah. You just needed a break your soul was tired and then i discovered tick tock in a good way when you quit youtube did you was that when you moved from la to wyoming was it i'd already lived in wyoming oh so you had i was showing you i was already getting ready to just yep you were going through a change yes a big one yeah and it was it was a necessity it was necessary did you leave la just just because of the humans that are there? Because I tell everybody like when Leo Skeppy came on the podcast, I was like, Leo, don't go to fucking L.A. It's not the same as it used to be. It lost its sparkle.

It's lost its magic. It's really not what it used to be anymore. At all. And I felt out of love with it. Yeah. And then it was just getting so dark and toxic and just so many weird things are happening behind the scenes and a lot of people did not want me around anymore because of this moment of like when all the youtube drama happened i was going to expose a lot of people and this is a tricky conversation someone else's let me word this the right way

someone else's let me word this the right way i got cocky and thought that i could expose someone else's trauma and story to x out someone else gotcha that person did not want me to therefore this person is still free wow and that was very hard to deal with right yeah but it was also selfishly wanting to let everyone know this person's a piece of shit right and it's like i had to learn through my journey of healing and through therapy that was not appropriate which is i never did it obviously obviously. Right. But those thoughts were haunting me. But your intention behind it was good. Yes. Because so many people were supporting someone who is so awful.

Right. It's that misunderstood thing again. Yes. So the Internet as the roller coaster of my career has been, they wanted me to be the villain, I guess, that year. Everybody needs a villain. And it was crazy so this person begged and pleaded me not to share what they had told me i obviously respected it and never did it right let's still that shows that

you're a good human you know you didn't and to see this person still out there they're not thriving like they used to be at all it's just interesting but the industry does have demon demonic snakes yeah absolutely i'll have to you'll have to tell me who it is later so i can steer clear of that human oh his name is james charles oh no really damn it do we need to bleep that no no no james you know you're a biggest he's the biggest piece of shit in the beauty industry wow and he allegedly has done a lot of horrible things. He admitted to talking to minors. He is a fucking piece. So that is true. I say I always say out of the drama.

He did a video allegedly not allegedly admitting to sexting minors. So I never knew this. Hey, we had a situation where he used one of my makeup artists hacks and didn't tag her. So I just on my backup account i have a backup tiktok tiktok account i was just like hey james we love you we respect you but you know give credit where credits do he wants to be the one that he did though oh okay i was very surprised right but what's crazy is everybody in the comments started telling me about the pedophile stuff and i was

like god i didn't know you know like i stay out of it. One of the most vile human beings on this planet. Lord. Yeah. That's crazy. Well, honestly, and I have never really talked or addressed these things. Yeah. But he is a literal fucking monster. Wow.

And the fact that he's out there and somehow has a beauty product, I guess, that just came out. And A-list celebrities are promoting this alleged child fucker. Yes, Kim Kardashian, we're talking to you. You're using his makeup, but you didn't care about Balenciaga putting child porn on their ads anyway. So two peas go into a pot, I guess. Right. People aren't ready for the truth.

Everyone wants to keep their mouth shut and they keep, why? Right. If someone is bad, let people know. Yeah. No, you have A-list celebrities literally using this shit.

Has he been all demonic and really dark and all those people, they stick together. Has he ever been charged? I don't know. I don't think so. Yeah. I think that's probably, will we see it in the future?

Yes, I'm sure. Well, also the Illuminati though, not to keep bringing that up, but don't think so. Yeah. I think that's probably. Will we see it in the future? Yes, I'm sure. Well, also the Illuminati, though, not to keep bringing that up, but don't they use people like James Charles to bleed into other areas? You know, because they can easily access minors. The children. Right. Yeah. He is a big problem. And I don't speak on him, but they tried to ruin my career because of all the

information I had wow it's really brave of you to so I moved away I stood up to all of them said fuck you yeah and I left that little LA county and they're so controlled mentally by it it's really sad so and you're free yes you're literally but it's shocking honestly it really is and i never speak about this people ask me about this shit all the time yeah i don't dwell i don't really think about them but when you start you know you're interviewing me we're talking about the literal past no i appreciate the honesty and it's like i'm always gonna keep it real need to know it's not fair where you could be saving another child you know like that part yeah but they don't take people are not taking it as serious anymore or like new people discover someone and

they're like, eh, whatever. Well, hopefully they will after hearing you speak on it because somebody such as yourself, who's been in the industry for so long, who has street cred literally, you know, to be able to stand up to somebody as powerful as him. Cause he is a powerful dude and say that, maybe people will start listening now. That's scary. It makes me sick just thinking about his name. I'm so sorry.

I have no idea. It was just a really – it was like – yeah, it was 10 times what Trisha did to me is what he did. I feel like that whole group is just a cesspool of just – But I've learned that it's not not i don't need to expose anyone right i don't need to do any of that it's all gonna play out how it's supposed to be yeah it always comes to light what's done in the dark always comes to light and he is pure evil let me just leave it at that all right moving on to more beautiful things. Casper, take me.

We're going to go see this ranch tomorrow. The beauty drama exploded. I don't know Wyoming's coming, but I'm like, I'm just so over living here. Yeah. And I also had an ego death. I love that you know when to tap out. Yes. A lot of people don't know when to do that. And you know about ego deaths?

Yeah. Haley just had one on the PJ last night. What? Really? She took a fucking edible and thought she died. She was looking at me. No, but I'm talking about like when your real ego diminishes. Oh, yeah.

No, I went through a really bad domestic violence relationship where I almost died a couple times. Horrible. That will humble you and literally make you take the shell of the human that you were off and become a different human. Yes, for sure. I'm playing this in my book. Like December 19, I'm single for the first time in five years.

I move into one of the biggest houses in L.A., one of the biggest mansions in Hidden Hills. Yeah, I was a big motherfucker. I remember seeing it online. Single, 25,000 square feet. Pandemic. You gotta be lonely. Pand lonely pandemic starts we had so much fun we filled so much content but i had a realization sitting in this massive home surrounded by all these things that it didn't make me happy yeah material shit doesn't make you happy no but i didn't know that because I didn't have time to really think until... You were working towards the goal. Yes.

So I don't know I want to leave California permanently. I just know I want to be away. I want to be in quiet. I want to actually go heal and not pretend and talk about it like all my ex-friends. And I've been to Wyoming so many times. I've been on tour, right, for years.

We passed through here. Oh my God, stunning. So I'm looking around. Jackson Hole is very famous. A lot of celebrities live there. Big mansions. No land. for years we passed through here oh my god stunning so i'm looking around jackson hole is very famous a lot of celebrities live there big mansions no land i'm like fuck this this is literally going to la yeah we discover casper it's a small town 60 000 people a hard-working town people are nice country boys everywhere yep oil field farmers. There are some really hot fucking oil field workers. I see on TikTok. I'm like, damn. Hot UPS workers. So we we fly there a few times. We love it. Everyone's really nice. Instead of like L.A. Well, what do you do for a living? You know, they look you up and down. How can I use you? It's how are you? I was like, and they genuinely want to hear you say, I really want to know how i'm doing yeah i had to train myself to like that's how it was when i moved to nashville the guard had to come down a little yeah fell in love with it i find a property that has a bunch of land

for sale around it end of the road no neighbors really silence don't know i'm gonna become a farmer and own one yak farmer Jeff farmer Jeff's in the building and all of a sudden I have all this land and I'm like oh okay I had seen yaks on tour in Switzerland 2010 we're in Geneva we're going through in the little tour bus yaks on the hillside could you have ever imagined in 2010 that you would own a fucking yak farm just saying that chance encounter with them I google are they legal it's a fucking bovine cow i don't know this though because they're i've only seen them in other countries yeah i google it there's even a yak farm in fucking town yeah i buy my first three oh you know i can't leave it alone i just happen to be my pets right

now we're i'm surprised they're not in the house with you sometimes they are in the kitchen yeah oh my god the little ones that are trained they'll come in and out they're not in the house with you. Sometimes they are in the kitchen. Oh, my God. The little ones that are trained, they'll come in and out. They're really cute. The dogs love them. I'm going to cry. They're really cool. I need that. I'm going to go tell my husband right now we need land.

And there are yaks in Tennessee, even though it's humid there in the summer, and I don't really recommend it. My friend does have a yak ranch out there. My husband, actually, I told him last night about your land in Casper, and he was like, dude, let's look for some land. I was like, I'll ask him if he knows anybody that's selling stuff. We're ready. We're trying to get a farm.

In peace and quiet. Yeah. There's nothing like it. Yeah. So what does Jeffrey do next? Do you just kick up your feet and just fucking relax? Does the little boy in you, is he ever going to be proud? I'm really proud now.

Good. I am. Running your nine of the brand, two years into skincare. I'm raising Tibetan yaks and camels. I mean, come on. And the farm life is so fulfilling. So last year, for six months, I didn't travel, except twice to do photo shoots.

Everyone came to me. Jay saw snow for the first time we did a photo shoot in 10 degree i love your team by the way his team is his team is here and they're just amazing and we're in the snow 10 inches of snow shooting the wyoming winter campaign like we've done so many cool things so i didn't travel for six months i got to really become a rancher yeah and it's me and a few guys we do it all ourselves you get out there all the time and just bust ass love it oh i love it it's like my my big pet project i'm obsessed with it i love this for you so now we're just growing it more restaurants we open so we just opened up the store right

which yellow have performed at iconic meat and makeup like what a fucking crazy concept isn't it cool and a lot of people doesn't work oh baby yeah i'm gonna call my store one of the busiest retail stores in wyoming history wow and september they're working it i see you online just oh my god september 14th two month anniversary oh it's a zoo every day a line out the door and then i started to like make up a funny concept celebrity works the register it's my own store i i'm very hands-on with everything i do so i'm like you know what i'm gonna go live and i'm gonna just help the customers out and like ring them up let's just see how it goes i'm on a six hour stream it's crazy insane and me and tech talk are good friends

now we've just worked on a really big deal together. Yeah. Can we talk about it? We're working on it. I'm going to do some announcements soon. Good. But they are very happy that I joined. Duh. I'm sure. One of the highest viewed streamers ever, which is crazy.

It's not crazy. And you guys seen the battles, right? And you've seen people go live how you can send the gifts. The fucking island boy is always on there. So the. I can't stand that dude. I can't. He's a piece of shit also.

They tried to battle me and I'm like, no. Yeah, no, they're just not great. So it's all very addicting and it's very fun. And we're working on some big Jeffree Star moments. Yay. Which is so cool to be... And I'm the OG of social media. That's what I was going to say.

For the newest, hottest platform, 20 years later to be like, well, yes, sir. You reinvent yourself. You're like the Madonna of social media. Yes. Madonna's kind of. Oh, I like that.

Literally, you are. You literally reinvent yourself and you always know how to stay, you know, abreast of everything and just. He's relevant. Always, always relevant, baby. I love that for you. And I love that this, this journey that you're on. I love this Jeffrey right here. Just, you seem so I'm actually proud of myself. So it's so cool that you said that. Cause I never really talked about that. I'm very grateful. I'm very humbled. And I wake up every

day. Like it's my last night. I just go hard. I love it. I think if I'm given this opportunity, I can't be lazy one day out of my life. No. So do you ever think you're going to be able to rest? Currently, no. You're a restless spirit like me. I don't know. It's like I always have no matter how proud of myself I am. It's like, OK, what can I do next?

Like I have to stay busy. Yes. No, I get that. I totally understand that. And there's so many more dicks to conquer. We didn't even get into the dicks.'t that nice finally someone had me on their podcast and it wasn't about my deep throat it wasn't about all the band guys and all the athletes no i don't like that stuff doesn't it's so we've already done it all especially from our past yeah it doesn't

yeah it's fun off camera maybe i'll show her a picture Yeah no I would like that Maybe I'll show her a few A-listers We can compare notes Yeah For sure But I just feel like There's so much more to you Than the dicks you suck Thank you

And that is fun You're a fucking mogul dude Thank you Like you can pick any dick In the world and suck it You know what I'm saying You have the choice of dicks Does the audience know

That we've maybe slept With one or two of the same people Um Well No But they do now. I never go into, I never discuss about who I sleep with. So Jeffrey, except for that one

time when MJ came on my podcast. Yes, and that, okay, so the reason, not the reason, but it accelerated our friendship as I wake up one day. Oh, it accelerated it, bitch. I wake up one day and I'm on TikTok and I'm just starting my journey. And I'm like, why am I getting tagged in this thing about fucking sucking dick?

And I'm like, oh, typical. Then I'm like, it's you and your friend. And it was just hilarious. Yeah. So MJ, MJ Fresh came on the podcast and I get a fucking FaceTime. I'm on the phone with her and I'm like, this is a Wyoming number. Do you think it's Jeffrey? And she's like, no, answer it. And I'm like, no, I'm not answering it because I don't know who it is.

You know, calls three more times. And I'm like, I'm the only Wyoming number she should have on that phone. There's one area code for the whole state. Literally. Shout out to three Oh seven. So I text it and I'm like, you called. And he's like, this is your new bestie, Jeffrey. And I was like, he's like so I heard that I'm sucking dick long story short Jeffrey actually sucked one of my ex's dicks and hooked up with MJ Fresh's ex so that that's how it had gotten brought up and we were just like shout out Jeffrey what if he's a player? So can I ask a question? Yeah, of course. How did she or you know? So that's all I wanted to ask.

My ex told me. Yeah, I'm very open. Yeah. He was like, Jeffrey sucked my dick one night. And I was like, how was it? The tall one? Very tall. And he's fucking built.

He's got a little baby arm. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I'm deceased. Yes. So he's very long. Yes. So he told me and I was like, dude, how was it?

He was like, it was the best. I have a photographic memory. Last name. Yes. Yeah. Yep. Absolutely. That's crazy that you know that.

She said the tall one, the blonde, blonde, tall blonde. Yeah. So when that When he told I'm deceased Well shout out to him For telling you And he said it was The best head he's ever gotten

And I was like Two Fucking amazing I need some lessons Obviously Why do you think I flew in To do this

Yeah I love you I do have a question For you though About one hook up He can fix it on camera It's funny Yeah that's fine I don't care Oh my god Can I have a question for you, though, about one hookup. He can fix it on camera. It's fine. Yeah, that's fine.

I don't care. Oh, my God. Can I have a sip? Can we share? Of course. I'm clean. No, you're fine. If a guy's flying out, he's getting 24-hour testing with the results to my email.

Yeah. Do you meet people? Not that many people. I sound like I fuck every day. No. Have I met some people? Yeah. Yeah, it's every other day.

You have to be guarded. Have you guys ever hooked day. No. Have I met some people? Yeah. Yes. Every other day. You have to be very good to be guarded. Have you guys ever hooked up? No, but he's seen. Go ahead. Tell him. Oh, so so besides you kind of say this or no. So besides doing wigs, Jay also does porn on the side. No, he's a star. I love that.

Come, Kevin, come on. Take me with you. I said, well, this is for talent, but I'll bring you in. I love that. Because I'm like, where can I go in? Because I started to get more famous as the makeup brands pop. Yeah. And I'm like, I don't want to go to this men's free clinic anymore. People are going to think, oh, he has something.

So he's going to make up the craziest shit. Yeah, for sure. And I'm like, no, I just want to make sure I'm safe I don't want to go to this men's free clinic anymore people are gonna think oh he has something so he's getting checked he'll make up the craziest shit yeah for sure they're like no I just want to make sure I'm safe and clean bitch yeah so I was like damn Jay I don't want to go to this place anymore people are gonna like take it you know because you're in the lobby someone goes like this yeah oh no and then they you can have the rest of it you're fine thank you so they literally people will say something and it's like word is bond. Like they don't have to have any proof. It just spreads like wildfire. The fucking does that shit to me every day.

So Jay hooked me up. And, you know, but I have been on the jet. Like I'm just sleeping. So you guys are you guys like BFFs? Yeah. Like obviously people can turn that into something. So it's like, you know, I'm in a very, very strong clique. We've all been friends for years.

Yeah. So I was like, hey. I love that. Thank you, Kevin. Of course. Well, look, I don't go anywhere. These two are my shadow. That's it.

Amy and Mimi. Like when you find your squad that you trust. We've had other employees, like people have tried to fight us. They've ran. And I'm in, I'm literally. I wouldn't try to fight you guys. Looking like this. And I'm like, I have his back always.

I want to see Jeffrey mad, running in full glam. Swinging. I would pay for that. Swinging, baby. I'm like a fan wanting to take a photo, but Jeffrey was having a conversation. And you know, people have sometimes no boundaries, no respect. At all. I don't tolerate nothing. Yeah. boundaries no respect at all in it yeah yeah oh absolutely there's always two sides. I haven't had a drink thrown on me.

I'm talking I'm talking the marijuana sitting. I'm talking 10 years. We're in Casper, Wyoming. She don't have it. She can't get her photo right now. She throws a Red Bull can. It splashes my shoulder and it gets on him.

Game over. Let's just say game over. It's a wrap. I don't understand how people feel so entitled to somebody's time and body. It's just crazy to me. But I'm also so nice. I love taking pictures. Look how fucking sickening I look.

I want to take a photo with you. I don't want to hide in the dark. Yeah, for sure. Hey, I'm just having a conversation. People don't care. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy, baby. I don't care who it is. If you don't start none, it won't be none. That's it. We're not, we're not about the disrespect, but most people are obviously really great. They are. No. And we do this because of you guys. You know, like without you guys, there is no us.

So. All right. So I'm going to ask you some questions. We're going to end this on the hot seat. Dude, we've been talking for an hour and a half. Buddy's meet and greet is about to start. It goes by so quick. It's crazy, right?

It's not tripping me out, but it's really cool and amazing when I meet someone. And it's like, I've known you for a long time. You know, some people. That's how I've always felt. I long time you know some people I've been interviewed a lot you've been interviewed a lot and so is your husband and you know sometimes or a lot of the time the vibe or it's the same fucking question yeah girl you don't have anything else to say

yeah and I feel like I've known you for a long time I love your energy I mean I love your energy I think that's the biggest compliment that you could ever give a human is loving their energy absolutely and I've always felt drawn to you and I watched those three podcasts because i really have not kept up with you and when i got done watching them i told my girls i was like he is me literally like we're like the same type of human and isn't it funny so she has watched me do a few podcasts and then been on them it's don't you find

it weird sometimes how some how people act on camera with me versus with other people yeah yeah uh yeah i brought that up to you before the show i was like you know maybe they're not straight but we're not gonna say names on can i get it yes exactly all right so this is called the hot seat i'm gonna ask you a couple probably like six questions i'm ovulating you have to answer them as fast as you can okay all right mary fuck kill kanye west okay mary fuck kill let's go yep kanye west jelly roll drake oh this fucking bitch I know Listen Listen inquiring minds want to know

I feel like Drake swings the other way So we're gonna marry Drake Fuck Jelly Roll And behead Kanye West With a guillotine And on my life I have never slept with that man We've been in the same room

I've fucked a bunch of his friends. I've sucked off some of his homies. Yeah. I don't like short dudes. Yeah. It's like guys that wear eyeliner. Yeah. I love eyeliner.

I'm not into short kings. You're not a king if you're short. I love tall guys too. So yeah, my average is like a nice 6'4 and up. Right. Tallest I've been was 6'10. Well, because you're 6'1, right? And you wear heels.

Mr. 6'10, call me. He's overseas playing basketball right now. I was going to say, that's got to be hard to find. A 6'10er? Bitch. What's the weenie on that look like? Oh, my goodness. Literally.

Oh, Lord. Just huge? It's giving medium rare. Oh, goodness. It's giving thick. It's giving stunning. I need to see pictures. Okay.

I'm a glimpse. It's giving statue-esque. I'm a glimpse over here. What's the dirtiest thing you searched on your phone last? I'm going to be a disappointment. Okay. I don't really search dirty things. Right.

I'm someone that's really into POV. I love when people film me on my phone. Another man has never filmed me on their phone. Yeah. But on my Google searches. That's amazing that you've never let another man film you on my phone. Another man has never filmed me on their phone. Yeah. But on my Google searches. That's amazing that you've never let another man film you. Hell no. And when they come over, your phone's in the car.

Wow. Yeah. Do you make them sign NDAs? Absolutely. See, people get mad at me for making bitches sign NDAs. No, it's real. You have to. You have to protect yourself, dude.

And you also know when you've been doing this for a long time as ex-prostitutes, you know someone's energy. Absolutely. Whether they're a band groupie, a normal girl on the street, or an escort, you know if someone's trying to be fishy. Yeah. And you don't think we know if someone's trying to pull a... But even if they're not trying to be fishy at that time, once they

don't have your time or your attention, then they get fucking shady. Wow. Like, that's how people are. That's a big statement. It's so fucked up. What's the worst thing you've ever sent to the wrong person? We airdrop people on planes just fucking around all the time. We fucking will like screenshot nasty shit. I think on accident when something is near something I have.

But thank God it was with a friend. Right. Of like, here's a wiener in my mouth. Right. Like that could ruin my. To me, it wouldn't ruin my career. People would right like that could ruin my not to me it wouldn't ruin my career people would actually like that yeah but like you want to see a picture that jay took sure i would love to this is on a little private jet moment i'm like i would love to yeah

and obviously like hey would you know do you are you down to take a photo because there's there's weird artists like there's the r kelly side and then there's like your your friends and you all have fun side right okay yeah we're in the very fun side of life. When we're in the private jet and the sky is just blinging, it just looks stunning. Whose wiener is that? Good lord. All I saw was dick. Isn't that cute?

I didn't see the body it was attached to. Yes. That is a huge wiener. Isn't that cute? Goodness. Yes. Yes. It's very cute cute It's beautiful right

But I love And I'm really into like A nice 12 That is huge Yeah Do you take that? So my maximum Of deep throating

And I'll admit this On Bunny's show Is a 12 inch Right After that I can't take anymore I mean that's 12 inches is a lot

Yeah Do you take that? Oh this folder's banging Alright Let's finish these questions After that, I can't take anymore. I mean, that's 12 inches is a lot. Do you take that? Oh, this folder's banging. All right, let's finish these questions. Oh my God. Look at these fendi glasses. Good Lord. Okay, sorry, sorry. That is beautiful.

That was a beautiful penis. That was a different penis, right? Oh, way different. Okay, I was like, that one's gorgeous. Those were three. I need to see who that's attached to later. Okay, I'm'm getting for clint she's i mean he's for clint over here who's not doing merch right now jack jack from sleeping with sirens he's over here um never hooked up with him either but a lot of his friends we were trying to put he's too short we were

trying to put bets on alex or jack i was like neither on god neither yeah too short we'll believe they're both too short yeah no you don't have to leave it out because i didn't he said too short what's the grossest thing that comes out of your that has came out of your body huh i'm usually really quick i stumped jeffrey huh jay's like i know free huh jay's like i know i'm like i know because i'm like i'm very like i'm so clean like i never sweat i never smell i'm so like a clean person something like coming out is like i got hair transplant surgery so seeing my so seeing my skin i know this is the answer people want but seeing the skin removed while you're awake and then having it because you're giving yourself an organ

transplant yeah and then seeing it move to the front was crazy was that painful yeah that was and worth every penny worth every penny my husband wants that and i'm like baby my doctor's the best in america okay oh he's out here yeah it takes like two or three weeks to heal so when he's on the next album yeah or doing something not on tour amazing time to do it all right i'll talk to him about it Yes Alright We got you hooked up daddy Oh my god We got you baby

Dr. Ziering we love you Alright would you rather Make out with a dude Who chews tobacco Or go down on a girl On her period Girl on her period His face

I said the same thing Cause they could keep A tampon in You know what I'm saying Period Exactly And then I'd have just Wyoming and all the fucking

chew disgusting yeah choose gross or how they don't i don't want to make out with you with that fucking tar on your gums i'm not doing it it's nasty i'm not doing it i don't with dudes cigarettes on and your cum tastes weird absolutely no yuck tangy tangy cum it's so gross what's your favorite song right now sexy red and suki hood rats he loves sexy i'm obsessed with literally hip-hop oh and then i'm i don't even know this person oh my god the penis is still on my phone jesus that was big oh my god no it was a oh my god bitch look at the other angle no it's crazy that was like a 10 and half. I love how happy you look with a dick in your mouth, though. Like you literally like it's my happy place. Jay is over here shaking his head right now.

I'm going to shout out a newer country artist, Josh Malloy. Yeah. Fucking incredible. You humped him? No, no, no, no, not yet. He has a song called Met the Devil in Oklahoma. OK, I haven't heard of him yet. Amazing. He us on the bus. It's cool. I can't wait. And I love country. I just don't do the tobacco y'all. No, it's so gross. So if you want to fuck

this face and use me as a basketball, no tobacco. Listen, and I'll tell you right now, the pictures I just saw, I've never seen a happier human with a dick in their mouth. Really? Like you're just lit up like a Christmas tree. Yeah. Besides the that like doing makeup that's my happy place i love it i love it and i love you i appreciate you coming on the podcast i'm so glad my knees transplants healed before i came here on a real level you guys bunny is a queen she's a mogul she's an entrepreneur and i have so much respect for you and thank you for having me on your show baby i appreciate you so much thank you you want to shout out your socials I'm sure everybody knows where you're at jeffree star.com jeffree star on literally everything and no only fans I'm so easy

only fans offer me a lot of money almost did it started doing all that type of stuff didn't take the deal didn't need the money but it was also very exciting but it's just not time not yet so in the future i don't honestly know but i don't like you did with tiktok i don't have the desire to right now yeah absolutely is there a tutorial coming of me the 12 inches i think that would be hot i think somebody we need that tutorial because i was told by an ex that he was the best head he ever had and i'm pretty i like to pride myself i can't believe that because it's a listen this dude has a fucking little baby arm is what I call it. It's like a fucking huge.

And the condos have nothing on me. Crazy. It's going to be a long trip back to Wyoming. Do we have cucumbers on the bus? All right, y'all dislocating jaws since 1985. Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of dumb blonde. I will see you guys next week.

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