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Greetings to you, sweet children of Osiris.
I gotta address something right now
and it's a little uncomfortable but I gotta say it.
I'm being harassed by record labels
and you guys need to lay off.
Every single major record label has been contacting me
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and my assistant doesn't have time to deal
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Thank you, but no thank you.
I get it, I'm a talented musician
and if I knew I was gonna get harassed by record labels
I would never have played this song
when I opened for Paul Simon at the Hollywood Bowl.
I can play guitar, chords.
That was a cover of Taylor Swift's
I Can Play Guitar Chords
which is from her new album 9891
which is basically her just singing
John Mayer songs backwards.
The original John Mayer song goes more like
chords guitar play can I
Record labels I really appreciate your enthusiasm
but right now I'm just doing private modular synth
noise shows for my four dogs
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I've learned to make any sound I wish
on these beautiful machines.
I did not heed the admonishment of my music teacher
who told me you will never be able to make the sound
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I present to you the sound of a plasmatic beast
being shot out of a spaceship traveling at white speed
into a tuba being sucked into a black hole.
Oh shit, damn it.
Shit, sorry, still learning these things.
That was not a recently plasmated bubbling beast
being shot out of a spaceship traveling
at light speed into a tuba being sucked into a black hole.
That was the sound of Jesus telling Peter
that he was going to say he didn't know.
The denial of Christ is the thing we all do
when instead of expressing love
or saying that we're happy
or putting out into the universe some sweetness
or forgiveness or grace or compassion or mercy
we choose to be sullen or unhappy or angry.
Usually not because we fear arrest
but because we're trying to impress
our coolest, most miserable friends
by mirroring their confusion.
Alright, it's like two knobs to the left
I think in a couple of switches
and I can get that sound of that beast
getting shot into that fucking tuba
into that black hole thing.
And as I get this synth warmed up
put a couple more coals into the attenuverters
and guys, don't get my musical ability
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Sure, when you hear that kind of singing
and guitar playing that you just heard
you might think, I can never be that good.
That's like insane, that's just talent.
That's some kind of genetic thing, no.
That's years and years and years.
Literally 27 years of practice
to learn how to play those two chords.
Don't let anyone stand in the way of your dreams.
Okay, down that end.
Okay.
Almost.
Let me just spin this attenuverter.
And that is how it's done, friends.
An identical sonic representation of a sound
we all have become so incredibly familiar with
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Let me just reiterate something.
That was not a recording of the actual sound.
That was completely done with synthesizers.
So this can be done.
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Years and years and years of practice,
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today's guest is one of our favorite guests here at the DTFH.
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A true messenger of the light,
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Danielli Bilelli.
Welcome to the DTFH.
We're going to do a joint podcast here.
So I guess this is all for today.
Thank you.
Thank you for watching.
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Thank you.
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So I guess this is also an episode of the Drunken Taoist.
Yes man, let's make it happen.
How many times by now,
we have had so many podcasts together, this is one.
So many.
Yeah, it's so great.
And we've become like recorded friends.
Our friendship is mostly recorded.
We've had more recorded conversations
than we've had unrecorded conversations.
That is a fact.
We live in a kind of Orwellian,
we've put ourselves in an Orwellian police state
where we record everything that we say.
I know, and when we start, when we meet up
and we start chatting, it is like, oh, that's great.
Wait, stop, shut up.
Let me press the mic.
Okay, let's go.
Record.
Record, otherwise it's not a real conversation.
Yeah, that's so interesting, isn't it?
How much things these days are being recorded
versus in the past?
We're living in an age where
every transaction,
every movement, every conversation
is probably being recorded.
Yeah.
Even though some people don't realize
just how much they're being surveilled.
There's a presence of it somewhere
that keeps living long after your conversation
is done in the live version.
It's still somewhere out there.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I was
looking up
Alexa, I have an Amazon Echo.
Yeah.
And I found on a conspiracy website
and checked the history of your Amazon Echo
and see all the things you've told it to do.
Yeah.
But not only that,
it actually records
random snippets of conversation
accidentally.
That's creepy.
Yeah, it's creepy and you can listen.
Since you've owned your Echo,
you can go back
and check out all the different dialogues
you've had, that's pretty wild.
Tiny little snippets,
you can change things happening at part.
I didn't take the time to go through
and listen to every single snippet
because there's so many of them.
But those snippets are not being held
at your house
inside the Echo.
Those snippets are in the cloud.
They are flying somewhere out there.
Yeah, man, that's pretty creepy.
Well, one thing that's different
from any other generation in history
is that so many of us
will be in a position where your grandkids
are in the mood for it.
They have hours and hours and hours of material
to listen to you talk.
Long after you're gone
and also when you are the old man
on the mountain, they can still say
hey, I remember when you said that thing.
That's pretty funny right there.
This actually produces
what's going to become
one of the great ethical
problems of
the future.
It's the problem we're having now.
The recent thing that happened
where people started taking down
Civil War statues.
These people were criminals.
They're racists.
We have to take down their statues.
Let's wipe them from the history books
because we don't want to admit
we don't want to honor them with a statue.
And so
that seems
to be related to an evolving
consciousness
where people are...
becoming
less and less palatable.
Not that it was ever really palatable
but it's just becoming an aberration.
I think in the past it was.
It was kind of like, what do you mean you don't
like you're not pro-slavery?
What the hell is wrong with you?
Can you believe that our neighbor is not pro-slavery?
Fuck that guy. We're not having
him for dinner no more.
So if you listen to some people
if your ancestors did have a podcast
some of the conversations
the podcast might very naturally
be talking about
like slave problems.
Yeah, you know these damn slaves
are not doing their work.
Can you believe how much last week
my shoulder popped up because I was
whipping this damn lazy slave over and over?
They would be saying slave.
But they'd be saying
the great reviled word
that used to be just a very common word
and it would be...
potentially there would be like
a waste on ways to like
keep your slaves...
Yes, maximize the work output
you can get out of your slaves.
So you'd listen to that
your ancestors and you would
probably be horrified
by what they were saying
in a nonchalant way
because they were on some level
completely unaware
that what they were doing was fucked up.
Yeah, because to them in perfect sense.
What do you mean you don't whip your slaves?
What's wrong with you? Don't you know they get
all weird and upbeat if you don't whip them
sometime? So
theoretically
now some of the things that we've talked
about
that to us seem absolutely normal
could potentially
at some point in the future
be
an abomination. Sure.
I don't know what that might be. I mean it could be
something as simple as like
it could be something as simple as
I mean I guess imagine like if there were podcasts
during
World War II
in Germany
and there were some Nazis
who had a podcast or something like that.
You know,
it would be
they could be hung
for some of the things they were saying. Of course.
So that's the thing. That's the weird thing about
these thumb prints
that we're leaving behind of our lives
is that
we don't really know where this technology
is going to go and we don't know
what the
consciousness is going to be 50 years from now.
Because that's a funny thing. It's like everybody
and their grandmother is convinced that everyone
else was a product of their time
but
I actually have gained all the experience
from all those time and my conclusions
are actually just the correct ones.
They're not subject to time or place.
They are correct in all times
and places. It's just everyone else
who was trapped in that strange game.
Yeah, that's right.
No, this is when we're waking up from
the dream. At this point
we're waking up from the dream of superstition.
At this point we're waking up from the
primitive times.
We've done it.
Those times are fucking crazy
but these times, no, no, no, now
we're really on the straight
and narrow here. Exactly.
What was it? Jefferson Airplane Song? The Crown
of Creation? That idea, right?
We, all that shit that came before
led to this moment.
To us right now,
we got it. This is the end point.
That's it, yeah.
Yeah, probably not.
Yeah, I don't...
This is why I just
keep falling
more and more in love with Buddhism
because that
is a philosophy that
to me it transcends
culture
it infects culture
that it
uses cultural symbolism to try to
convey
a kind of unchanging
unwavering
truth about human existence.
You know, and I love that because
it is
that to me, that is real.
There is something that is not, that as
of yet has not changed. Now, could it
change potentially? But as of yet it hasn't
changed. Which is that
you know,
life
is
to put it in a
probably wrong way. I just had it
explained in a different way. But life is
suffering. But actually the term
I've just had this explained by David Nicktern
who's been teaching me meditation
that the term is
not so much suffering as much as life is
kind of out of balance. Life is
a human life is kind of like
the way he put it is
like if you're
maybe, I don't know, riding your car
and one of the wheels is a little
flat. It's wobbly. It's
off a little bit. Human existence is a
little wobbly. That's interesting because
the way I always look at that statement
I wasn't changing the suffering part. I was
changing the world that preceded. So rather
than life is suffering in my mind
was like life
inevitably involves a lot of suffering. Like
there's no escaping it, right? That doesn't mean that
all of life is suffering. It just means that
there's a shitload of it out there and you're
going to run into it. Well first of all
the thing is it isn't even a life is suffering
it's dukkha is what it's called.
So it's not even like a bunch of words jammed
together. It's just like there's
we're wobbly. We're wobbly here.
We go from one extreme to the next
and we're kind of like
if you sort of really look at your life
you realize that it's just a little
it's either a little bumpy
or a lot bumpy
but there's always just this kind of weird
sense of like you know this doesn't quite
feel right.
It doesn't really
something seems off a little bit here
and then that sort of
gives birth to
a lot of activity
for people. Which is because when things
don't feel quite right. Yeah you need
to retweet. And I think
that's the metaphor for Buddhism that I always
heard that was always interesting is Buddha
as a physician, as a doctor
so first is prescribing
what is the problem?
There's the idea of dukkha. There's something is off
there's something is not quite right
that we need to
is there a way to fix it? Yes there is
a way to fix. Like what causes this
problem? And then it goes into
the attachment to desire. Okay we got
that. Is there a way to fix it?
Yes there is and now I'm going to lay
out the Eightfold Path with step by
step instruction for how you go about fix it.
Yeah that's it.
So it's very pragmatic.
It's principle-driven.
So it's not a subject to time and place
because it's just laying out
a methodology for how you solve problems.
And it's not faith-based? No.
Another super important part
of it to me is it has nothing to do with faith.
It's not like you don't
just pretend to believe.
If you're pretending to believe in the shit
you're not looking at it
at all on any level. And I think that's
a huge difference between a lot of Eastern
stuff, particularly Taoism
Buddhism versus a lot of Western stuff
is that a lot of the Western stuff
is faith-based. Yes.
Whether something you need
to believe certain things in order to be.
Whereas a lot of those traditions
faith is whether you believe
it or not, doesn't matter.
The universe is the way it is whether
you believe in those principles or not.
Completely secondary. It doesn't really
matter in any way because those things remain
through one way or another.
Whether Jesus was
resurrected is a pretty big fucking
deal in Christianity. If it's not
then the whole
structure of Christianity starts crumbling down.
Whether Buddha
really lived or really said the
thing that are attributed to him or not
doesn't really matter. It's more
like what are those ideas? How can they be
applied? Do they work? Do you try
it? It's in some ways almost more
scientific as an approach. It's like if
you ever invented the Macarena
when I heard that.
I think the idea is like if we
find out that you guys, you know what?
We thought the Macarena was created
by Gustav Fonks
in 1983
when he was
drunk out of his fucking mind on Margarita
and didn't do big fat rails
of Colombian blow and he came up with
his dance that somehow caught on
and then you find out that's not true.
We don't know
who invented the Macarena. There's still
the Macarena. It still exists.
The dance steps are still there.
There is still this kind of dance.
It doesn't matter. It's still there.
So in Buddhism, it's kind of like the
Macarena in the sense that
I don't know, like Siddhartha Gautama
was it or not? I don't know. It probably
was real. He probably did exist.
But even Buddha would be like,
don't worry about me. It's not
about me.
Right now, by the way, I'm picturing
Buddha doing the Macarena.
I can see a
beautiful TV show based on this premise.
I love that, man.
The beauty
of that
and I think it becomes
really very useful
in a time period that we're in right now
which is that the way humans
are taking
an assessment
of their environment
is no longer
based on walking outside and looking around
but is now based on
staying inside, not looking out
your window, but looking out the window of your computer
onto the social media
and from that you sort of
come up with
an assessment of the world.
Yeah, and that's also
that's another trip right there, right?
Because the whole social media thing, I mean
on some way this shit is also
because it's like, think about when we were growing up
where if you had an interesting, let's say
Buddhism and then you go to the local
bookstore and if you find two books on Buddhism
no matter how crappy they were
you'd be super excited because that's all the information
you have access to.
Today you can type anything into the magic box
and anything you want about it pops up
so it's awesome.
We have access to information in a way we've never had before.
On the other hand, of course
it's like any invention that are the problems
that come with it. It's like
just because you have fire, yeah, fire is
great to cook your meal but it can also burn down
your house and social media works
in the same way. There's a way
in which internet and all of that
is amazing and it does beautiful things
for us and clearly
there are ways to use it to fuck up your life
and unless you know
how to play with it
the dangers are there as much
as the opportunities. That's a great way to put it
because it's sort of like
at least with fire, when you get burnt
from fire, it's noticeable.
It happens instantly
you know you've been burnt by fire.
I would say the
social media could be more like
asbestos.
You don't know it's there.
You don't realize you've been infected
with some of the poisons of the thing
until you're sort of like
up at 3am
looking at twitter
and living
probably if you live in the United States
or in most countries
unless you're in Syria
like really
dark parts of the world
if you've got electricity
and you're looking at your computer
and you have a computer or a phone
and you have some shelter
and you have some food
then you're doing better
than a lot of people probably
and certainly better than a lot of people in the past
you're doing great
also if you can stand up and walk around
you can look at the stuff
and yet
the
I'm imagining many people are like
they're doing okay it's not great
it's not the best of the best
but you can look at
social media
and start seeing strong opinions
people will tell you
people who seem to have really strong opinions
and seem to be really like
authorities on this thing or that thing
will
assure you
that yeah this is bad
thing and this is a bad thing
and it's bad and this is really bad
and you're looking at it
and you're thinking like fuck man
maybe it is bad
and then you start looking
at the people who are agreeing with the person
who's like yeah that is bad
and then you start maybe following them
and the next thing you know
everything's on the screen is bad
but it isn't
yeah absolutely
and I think that's one of the problems of the human mind
a lot of humans
feed on fear
because you know fear is the kind of thing
warning, danger is out there
that's the kind of stuff that kept you alive
is the kind of stuff that
pay attention because there's this thing
that if you don't pay attention
this saber two tiger is gonna eat you
so you know be out for the signs
that there's a saber two tiger in this territory
and then you can avoid getting killed
that's useful right
that's the kind of mild paranoia
that's useful
but then there's 10,000 ways
in which today that set up just fuck us up
because rather than just being
I have my eyes to look out for
anything that can mess up with
my current life that's working okay
suddenly you start that's all you look for
and so your life is not even
longer okay because all you do is
look at all the things that are gonna fuck it up
right and it's like a comet is going to strike
and
revolution that's going to throw us in jail
and take away our guns and then it's gonna be
the thing that is like this
fear and the media of course
knows that that's how human beings are so if you
have a network
you know that before a commercial
break you throw fear
fear be very afraid we're gonna tell you
how to protect yourself after the commercial
break because you know that that's gonna hook
people you know that that's gonna keep them
there watching until it's amazing
it's like people who figured out
how to get rich
we have a lot of yelling that the theater is on fire
absolutely and
where it gets even more dismaying
is when you realize
now we have a new currency right so we have
a new currency and the currency
is retweets and likes
or whatever validation you're
getting through social media right so this is
a new currency followers
retweets and likes it's a currency
and so these people
who are
on twitter
blasting out infinite
tweets about how
rotten the world is
or how terrified they are or how we
should be terrified
are getting like incredible
validation for it
and so they're actually unaware
probably of the fact that they're
doing the exact same thing
the media is doing
which is capitalizing off of
frightening people absolutely and
I think it becomes a weird game because you said the keyword
you were right there where they probably are not aware of it
because here is the thing is maybe
you have 10 things you want to say and
2 are about
hey let's worry about these things that we should worry about
these people or these ideas
or this event or something that we need to
consider and
you get like 500 times more
response on that topic than on another topic
that maybe is more creative more
this but it's
that's the easy sell that catches everybody
so the next time you put
out something greater than 2 out of 10
is 5 out of 10
and those 5 are the ones that again hit
the most and the next time is 8
and before you know it that's all that becomes your shtick
that's all you do is
because you got the
message that that's how you're gonna get the love
and the attention and in some cases the money
because that's the reality of it right a lot of people
who start making bank
on that kind of
feeding that to a certain audience
and it's
I think that's why to me one of my
ground rules for listening
to anybody is
how much
are they giving me
that's helping the quality of my life
not how right they are
not how smart they are
not what a good speech they can put together is
what are they giving me and usually
that means something creative something positive
something inspiring that
can help me make life
better
there's enough of that
I'm in
but if it's just
he's smart in analyzing
the problem that's out there
I don't need to listen to 50 hours
of that you know it's like 20 minutes
quick get a sense of what they are talking about
is plenty
and I think it's a conscious decision because otherwise
my brain is the same
monkey brain as everybody else right
it's like I will gravitate
toward fear I will gravitate toward
things so I need to make a conscious decision
of what am I feeding myself here
you know what what is this thing
this is about getting peace at that
other group because there's always some other group to
get peace to it it's about
fear is about worries about
the end of western civilization
as we know it unless we do this and it's like
fuck that I don't want to
feed myself with that stuff I want to
I want to feed my brain with stuff that makes
me laugh that makes me happy yeah makes
me feel more at ease in
that interest me more and
and also you know what interests me
world
peace is it possible
can it happen
and how would it happen and what
are the what what are things like
if you think about like what are things that are
leading to more conflict
and what are things that are seem to
be sort of reducing conflict
what are these things what do they look like
what are the steps is it possible
and then like taking this grand
notion of like like
skipping all the things in between
but imagining a world
at some point
where there isn't a war
happening yeah there may be some
skirmishes here there are some things like
rotten things here and there but there isn't
like a huge
like there isn't really war there isn't
like that that is like kind of like
gone off the
table like the way that people now
react to racism
people begin to react
that way to war
so that if a president
if a politician
if any person
seems to even remotely
vocalize
about war being an actual
legitimate
solution to a geopolitical
problem they're
instantly fired of course now
I don't know how we get there but like
I imagine a world like that in a world
where like
economies are interconnected
and a world where
people are
overcoming their
paranoia and fear about other
cultures and fear about
like what I don't know it's
you know I think it's possible but like
to get there
I don't know how to get there but
if we all put our heads together
with this interconnectedness that's happening
and manifesting through the internet I think
we can really do it
I agree and I think that's where
it's interesting is
those are challenges right
because it's harder it's very easy to
bitch and complain about somebody
not so easy to come up with creative solutions
but at the same time because
it's a cool challenge it's a worthy challenge
it's a challenge that actually is
stimulating it's not this
sit back point of finger and say
it's all the fault of the bad guys
I don't give a fuck about the bad guys tell me what a good guys are
tell me why you are a good guy
what do you do about it that
helps other people that helps yourself
that helps
and it's not a hassle question
like how good are
you kind of thing no it's like literally
what's the best that we can put forward
what's the best that you can put forward
and even if you don't have the answer right now
that's fine but let's make
that a priority you know let's think about
how would we answer that
question in the best possible way
dedicate you know you want to
once in a while you have to vent and bitch I get it
10% of the time
20 at most but make sure that
80 is going in another direction you know
that's going in the direction of
how to build a better relationship with your
own physicality with your body with
the sense of community with the sense of
how you create
better communication with other human beings
how you do all those things that's where
it's fascinating that is
exactly where to me
the rubber hits the road
and the first
I think one of the things that like
is a fun thing that anyone can do
is
imagine here
here's a fantasy imagine this
there is actually
a decentralized
nonviolent revolution happening
right now it's happening we are
in the
middle probably by now
of a really well
planned out
series of
political actions
that are leading to
what could be
a global renaissance and what those
actions are is the
end of prohibition on psychedelics
the legalization of marijuana
which you see happening all over the planet
because with the legalization of marijuana
it doesn't that doesn't just mean like
a lot of people who shouldn't be arrested don't get arrested
it means that human consciousness
begins to
merge with nature at ever increasing
rates because of access to
a psychoactive chemical
that allows this kind of communion to happen
with the planet so we don't even know
like what the
that plan is going to be teaching people
in mass but
India just legalized it
Canada just legalized it
Congress is trying to pass some kind of federal legalization
for medical marijuana and apparently
Trump is going to sign off on it
if they pass it because he fucking hates
Jeff Sessions and Jeff Sessions doesn't want
marijuana to be legal and he put it in play
that was hilarious it's like he hates
Sessions you put him there
not somebody else I know that was hilarious
and it's I mean to me it's like oh my god
this is like it couldn't be better like crazy
fucking Trump hates this like
person who's like to me a billion times
worth some fucking Trump right and this
and that which means that Trump is just going to start
doing shit to fuck with Jeff Sessions
whether Trump cares about marijuana
I don't know secondary
he's like oh my god I can just
fuck with him all day
long what is Jeff Sessions
not want to happen I'm going to
do it and if Trump does
if Trump just does
the opposite of what Jeff Sessions
wants we really might have
world peace
for the next three years
just to piss someone off
that's awesome Trump might instigate
world peace
just to piss off Jeff Sessions
which to me is super funny
that is funny
so the
we have all of these
things
that are happening
that are clearly
like moving us
into a world that is
less violent
more open-minded
more connected
it's happening so the fantasy is
imagine that there is a decentralized
nonviolent revolution happening
and you're part of it and the moment
you decide to be a part of it
you become a soldier
in this movement
that's happening you become an actor
in this incredible secret revolution
that's happening and it's a fun
game you can play with yourself
and it's like
you can actually sort of
instigate a state of pro-noia
you've never heard of this before
remind me one second I remembered a word
pro-noia is the fantasy
that the universe is conspiring to help you
oh yeah
so there's a story about
a psychiatrist
or a psychologist
who wanted to see if he could make himself paranoid
so he started walking around
imagining
pretending people were watching him
and following him
and then I think he had a psychotic break
because he started really believing it
it went from being like oh my god
I'm going to pretend people are following me
like fuck I was right
holy shit
I'm being gang stalked
so you can do the opposite of that to yourself
and start imagining that
this is the great fantasy
or the lens to look through
there is a nonviolent
decentralized revolution happening
it's in the same way
empire evolves, revolution has evolved
to the point where the revolutionaries have realized
oh we can't have leaders
like leaders we get fucked up
in fact we can't really even have cells
operating together
it's better for most people to
just be
agents acting
completely in the dark
but if you just imagine that's what you are
the steps are this
one, pretend it's true
two, imagine you've just been activated
by this podcast
wait for orders to come
and then before you know it
you will get a synchronicity
you will get the weirdest fucking thing
or just in your mind
suddenly something will pop into your head
about what you could do
to help this great movement that's going to end
in a renaissance and global peace
that thing could be like oh shit I need to
you know what my neighbor
is broke and needs food
or there is something to do
it will just come to you
this ridiculous pronoid fantasy
is that you just play this game with yourself
for a little while and sure as
fucking shit
people will start coming out of the woodwork
and they will help you for real
and they'll start telling you things
and you'll be like wait what wait what
wait a minute wait no
how is that happening how do they know
what is this and now you start living in this
beautiful pronoid world
where you are being like buffeted
by the winds of some very sophisticated
organized
decentralized nonviolent revolution
it's a blast I highly recommend playing
that game with yourself
I can hear John Landon playing in the background
to all of this in some very
imagined so it's
yeah
but it's just try
I challenge you try it for a week
and see where you are at
it's better than alternative right
it's better than thinking that everything in the universe
is conspiring to fuck you up
because I mean to a large degree
is you know I'm a big
believer in being real
but at the same time there is an element
to how you
choose to perceive things
that will affect how you relate
to them and how things around you happen
now of course you know like I think
one of the things that sometimes piss me off
is when people skip a step
so there's the something horrible
happen and it's always like ah but you need
to look how it's how this is for the best
and it's kind of like shut up
something horrible just happened you know
this is not for the best this sucks right
but to me it's like
it is the problem you either have the people
who become complete deniers of
the unpleasant sides of reality
and they only want it because it's like otherwise
it ruins their happy fantasy
and otherwise I'm gonna have to deal with the fact
that there are harsh things in life
or you find the people who get stuck there
and dwell there forever about how life
is rough and terrible and hard and
it's like to me it's like let's be real
when bad shit happens and
this bad shit and there's no
spinning it in a cool way still this
bad shit let's acknowledge it
and then figure out how we move on from here
you know it's like let's acknowledge ok this is shit
having said that
continuing to say that this is shit
is not gonna help us very much right
so how about we figure out
regardless of whether it's fair enough
none of that shit matters is these are the cards
that have been handed to you
we can agree that you probably
didn't get the best cards
but who cares these are the cards that are in your hand
are you gonna play them because that's really the only thing that counts
yeah is at this point
are you gonna take those cards
good or bad as they may be
how can you play them in the best possible way
yeah I like that I like
wait which is the who's the
Greek god that stole fire what's his name
Mr. Prometheus
I believe is the name we're looking for
yeah Prometheus and he got in big trouble
what do they do they like
they chain him to a rock
and every day an eagle arrives to eat his lever
yeah during the night his lever
grow again yeah the next day the eagle
come back and eat his lever again
yeah and he like but isn't
the idea that through the whole thing he laughs at the gods
like Prometheus
maybe this is just like some existentialist
take on it I like that
but yeah I haven't heard it the idea is that Prometheus
is like even in the midst of this
yeah the Prometheus is like
yeah confined away still got the fire
still gave the fire to people mother fuckers
and I don't have to be freaked out
by this never-ending torture
by your dumbass eagle eating my
fucking liver PS I've gotten used to it
PS I think it's funny PS
I'm friends with the eagle PS I'm glad
he's eating my liver because he's hungry he's awesome
I've named him William his name's William
I look forward to him flying down
and so then suddenly you realize
like this is the power of the
of being a human right is that
if we take like it so if we're
to look at like what you're talking about like no doubt
there are hard like every
debt horrible horrible horrible
horrible inconceivably horrible
fucking things happen in them but
you know if we myth a lot of mythologize
it and use Prometheus as an example
you can
in the midst of this
horrible thing still
find a place
of equanimity
peace tranquility
and power and this is to be
a warrior and you can
find that place in it
where even in the midst of this
you're still smiling
at the world this is the
human power this is the human
potential and this is like
if we do that
you know what is it people say
speak truth to power
speak truth to power
do that
but do it with a smile
yeah that's important because otherwise
you're spending your life thinking
that until the day when
utopia materializes
you have to grind your teeth
and fight on and it's gonna be
rough and it's like well you're gonna
wait a long time because that may or may not happen
anytime soon but
having fun while
you're fighting the good fight that's where it's
like one of my favorite sentence of all
times is
my sex loving
a Zen monk from the 1400
EQ sojourn who said
throw me into hell
and I'll find a way to enjoy it
yeah and I love that right because it's not
denied hell is hell it's like it sucks
it is what it is right
I'll find a way to enjoy it it's like
regardless of what the objective reality
out there is I'm gonna figure out
a way to
make it better than if I just go in
think you know look how objectively
it's terrible there is such thing
the objectivity there's also the way in which
you relate to it and that's a choice
that's not just
it's not dictated by the facts the facts limit
what you can and cannot do some people are gonna
have a easier or harder time
but your choice is a key one that's right
and the first thing they want is
to colonize your brain with fear
and by them I mean it's like okay so
basically what we have going on here is
essentially two competing paradigms we have
one paradigm is the paradigm
of fear
disaster terror the amygdala
people they're like and within that
paradigm you have two different I think
you could break it into two big categories
one category is the people who are
profiting off of it this is not
just the weapons manufacturers this is
the media this is people selling
like
anti-anxiety medications is the people
who have like come up with like
bullshit
hyper-expensive ways to
like overcome it by going
to like I don't know this is
there's like there's a huge
industry in
scaring people and actually
you know I actually it was really funny
I wanted to take a screenshot
but I think CNN realized how
preposterous the headline was
so they took it down but the
headline was something along the lines of
like you know the economy
the unemployment is lower
than it's been in 50 years
but Americans are still
uneasy and it's like
I wonder why CNN
I wonder fucking why because
every single day you're
bugling the trumpets of the apocalypse
and now you're like ah people seem to still
be uneasy weird huh
weird that's weird right you're selling cars
motherfuckers you're selling cars you're selling ads
trying to make money I get it you want
to make a buck but anyway we have one paradigm
it's the people who are profiting
off of it and not just those people
who are profiting off of it with
actual money but the people who are profiting off
of it with power these are the people
who are like on social
media putting
themselves forward to some kind of like
champions of
peace or champions of some kind
of like I don't know some kind of
but and yet
everything they say is a different
breakdown of how rotten
the world is and so those
people are profiting to so that's
the profiteers and then we
have the just people who are authentically
terrified
because they don't know
what's happening because they've become confused
they've their brains have been
colonized so those are the people
I think that they can
truly be helped so
that's one paradigm the other paradigm
is the all
the peace workers in the world
all the people who are like
truly trying
to make a more peaceful beautiful
collaborative
connected
world where we figure out a way to
have dialogue with each other
and we figure out a way that like
there's got to be a way there's got to be a way
I know we can do this so there's these
two competing paradigms
happening here and
the I think
to be a successful peace worker
you and the thing
you're talking about is like we can't just skip over
this when we can't fake
smile at the eagle
and we can't fake smile at the gods
we have to figure out a way
to actually find
peace
inside ourselves
and this while of Buddhism
because it's like it really has
a method that cuts through
whatever the particular
political situation of the time period
may be to get right
to the crux of the issue
which is that to be a human
being is to feel a little off balance
to feel a little off
and the reason we feel a little off
is because of three
fundamental problems which is that we
either
have desire
we want this thing or that thing
we
don't want something which is actually
kind of another form of desire
I desire this thing to not be happening but that's called a version
we don't want to be in the car
in traffic
in our marriage
we don't want to be looking down
on a fucking eagle's beak
nailing us in the stomach yet again
and flying off with our fucking liver
we don't want that
William
here's William again that fucking eagle
William really
can't taste that good
and then
the third one is just ignorance
we're ignorant
which kind of means we're not aware of the fact
that we live in a universe of impermanence
or we're not aware of the fact that we're all
completely interconnected
and so these are the three big problems
regardless of where you're at
the political situation how much money you have
don't have what you're doing
if you really look at your problem
those are the three main fucking problems
you either want to be somewhere else
or want to have some shit you don't have
or you don't want to be where you're at
or you're just completely confused
about what the place is in general
so we start dealing with those things first
and then
you begin to like actually experience
a kind of lightning of spirit
and that produces I think
a state of consciousness
where you can begin to like work with
the world
and maybe make changes I don't know
speaking of which you seem in a
on a good wave
you seem like in a really good mood
today and
I haven't seen you in a while
your overall vibe seems pretty damn happy
I like that
thanks man
because you know it's like
you know it all too well
there are those waves right
there are the moments when we feel like this
and then sometimes there are the moments where it's like
fuck it's hard
it's like
mild cycles of depressions are not so mild
that sometimes can kick in
but you seem to be
what do you think is this like
a wave or you're finding a way to be
at a different place of balance in your life
I got lucky man
I got this guy Nick Turn
David Nick Turn he's like
a Chogyam Trumpa student
who like is like just this incredible
you know what happened is like
I sort of decided to go a little
deeper into studying
Buddhism and meditation in particular
and
so I started working with this guy and like
he's like a really talented teacher
he sort of
I don't know he sort of helped me like find some
figure out some shit
that I had kind of like
hadn't really fully grasped
at least like with my own mind
I'd like heard about it and read about it
a million times and so
it's cool man when you start understanding
the way your mind works
which is like
sort of like if you want to have a reason to
meditate
I think the reason to meditate
is because
you want to like
you want to help that it's a good reason to
meditate but to really help
we got to figure out a way to
as much as possible
like find some kind of
equilibrium inside right
so you know
you start doing mindfulness
practice
and you start recognizing
something that's really interesting that is like
for me it's like incredibly
interesting because I have
known about it and I've experienced it in
different ways but the methodology
of this particular lineage of Buddhism
the Kagu lineage, the Shambhala
it's like real
non-woo wooy basic
here's what you do you take
a seat you follow
your breath when your mind wanders
you bring it back to your breath
that's it it's really
simple and it's simple
but then
you start becoming aware
of how your
fucking mind is working
at least
and it's really amazing you start realizing
oh my god that thing you just
talked about the wave
you realize oh shit that fucking
wave that I thought was like my life
is actually happening on a cycle
in my mind at every moment
and so you start getting really familiar
with this incredible thing that's happening
which is you're blinking in and out
of reality you're going from
a state of being lost
in your thoughts or sleepy or whatever
or caught in your body
but usually just in your thoughts
to back to your breath and in the
present moment and that's it
but you start realizing like oh my god
I keep blinking in and out I'm like a firefly
I'm like a
an interdimensional
firefly that's going from
the thought realm into the
like human realm
non-stop
of course blinking in and out
of reality all day long
I'm here and now I'm back
lost in my thoughts yeah and what
glimpse of rear back in my
thoughts yeah yeah yeah
and so what starts happening
or what I have found has happened
and one of the really cool things they say is like look
whatever the fuck happened in your past
meditation and whatever you think the thing is you had
don't be attached to that either
because that's the same bullshit because now
you're now instead of your thoughts
you're now instead of blinking in and out of
like some other past experience now you're
blinking in and out of thinking about
meditation of course it's the same so
that being said there is a kind
of spaciousness
that can start happening when
you're doing a sitting meditation that you
didn't even I didn't even
realize
it's basically
sometimes when it's
working for me
the feeling
reminds me of like
a dolphin that got let out of
an aquarium
and is suddenly dealing
with the fact that like
there's an entire ocean
and you've been swimming around this little aquarium
that you thought was you
and that is an
that is a very that really
really
really is a big relief man
that makes you happy
I bet you show it
that's great well it's also
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about I remember like sometimes
speaking of cycles you're talking about
working out like a madman
then you fall off, then you come back in again
where are you at in terms of
relationship with the body
not good not great man
I like not great I
I went to the gym like
a week and a half ago and it was felt fucking
great and I didn't go and this
I think I love about this guy Nick turn
so cool man and the way he teaches is he's like
a lot of us ask this question
which is I know it feels good to work out
but I don't
or I know when I meditate
my life tends to get better
but I don't do it why don't I do it
and what he was saying in this class is
you know like we're always trying to find
some kind of mystical answer to that question
you know and he's like
it's probably laziness
he just
he goes back to
old-fashioned lazy
it's not some kind of fucking like
that's what I love about it it's not like some
I would love to believe
that the reason I don't do
it is because of you know
I don't know like I don't meditate
I don't meditate because
I'm afraid
of my own awakening
no interdimensional
demons are struggling with you
trying to hold you back
because they know that the world is never going to be the same
when Duncan Trussell become enlightened
and then that's a six pack
I'm lazy I like to play God of War
it's like there's not a
that's what I really love
about this particular lineage is it's not
bullshit it's just like you're probably lazy
and that's okay
I would much rather someone tell me
oh no you're lazy then it's some
fucking confounding complex
thing
right no so my that's like
you know certainly something that is
always floating in my consciousness is that
man come on dude let's fucking let's
get back to the gym it feels good what about you
some some I want to do more
I want to do more and it's
I think one of the things that's tricky for me is that
I do on any given day
I do ten thousand
things that I enjoy that are good
so I'm not saying oh you know I'm wasting
time I definitely don't waste time
for oh I'm doing this shit
that I hate and
it's it's it's a good problem to have because
it's like okay I'm working on this thing which is
a good thing I'm doing this other thing that
is a good thing I'm doing but there are 24
hours in a day and so something got to give
so at some point is like prioritizing
of okay if there are several things
that you want to spend your time doing
pick
make a choice yeah you know because
at some point otherwise the 24 hours
make a choice for you and before you
know it you haven't done this some of the stuff
that really was a priority because you did
something else that was okay
you can justify it but
it doesn't quite deliver the same results
that's right and and I think I really
need to it really boils down
to just good stupid old
fashion discipline of just getting up
and saying today
this gets done yeah I don't
care how when you make it
happen one way or another that's it and
it's great and anytime you do that whatever
it is it's just like instantly liberating
like when you whatever it
really is just like so
he's just like the hardest part about
writing sitting down to write oh yeah
writing itself is like not the easiest
thing ever but like getting your ass in the
seats the hardest part about getting to
about working out is getting the gym oh yeah
the hardest part about meditating is getting
to the meditation cushion
it's like it's it's really not
a it's really
not that difficult you know and
it's just like you know doing it
and I had once I was
I went to train
I was going to
to judo class
and I drove probably
20 minutes to get there I get out of the
car I have my gear with me
I walk in I took one look
at the mat I walk back
I got back in the car I drove
20 minutes back
and I was just like yeah
it's not happening you know what I call that
victory because you fucking did it
like just making the effort
just making the effort to try to do the
thing I think it's still
victory man it's not the best victory ever
but it's still better than not
it's still better than
sitting at home without
knowing there was a good victory
the following week because I basically do
the same thing right I walk in I sit
down and I'm just finding an excuse to
not step up and walk away yeah
and I was somebody who saw me and
we were like hey you want to jump in
and I'm like I don't know
and he kind of stepped off the mat
and he's like are you depressed
and I'm like and you know I didn't think
I was depressed but when he asked me the question I was like
I guess so
a little bit you know
and then he was so cool because the guy
said like you know I totally get it
I feel the same way a lot of the times
just step on the mat with me we'll just
play for five minutes okay we'll just I'll just
show you something there are a couple of things I'm working on
we'll play those for five minutes
then if you want to go go okay and it's like
and I step on the mat and we start playing
and of course I start feeling better and
everything start clicking and then I get an awesome
workout and I feel better about life and it was
just like oh that was interesting
that's a proficient teacher yeah that was
awesome right there yeah that's kind of
part of being a teacher is like
you you you get good
at like analyzing
your students where they're
at right you want to come to them
where they're at and like in like
figure out a method for for that
place he sounds amazing yeah that's super
cool that was mr.
Chris Hill said thank you very much now
that would he did exactly
what I needed in the moment right yeah I didn't
even know I needed it and he had that exact
right reaction that wasn't like
oh come on just get in here and do it
it's like yeah fuck you I'm leaving yeah
he wasn't just letting me
just a little gentle prod in
just enough to get you to take the first
step on your own and it was he's
one of them yeah it was great he's one of
them and there's so many of them out there
like it's not just Buddhists it's like
obviously it's like every
religion every
industry every it's they're
every they're all out there man and
like they're really really
good and what are they good at doing
they're good at helping us
mm-hmm be a little
less stuck
yeah they're just they like and it's like
everyone's you know like if you think about
a car stuck
in mud it's like
universally kind of the same problem
the car stuck in mud
but the method to get each car
out of the mud is going to vary
from types of mud to type of car
to what you what tools you have
on hand to get the mud the car
out of the mud there's lots of different ways
to do it and it's really amazing
when you realize like holy fuck there
are people in the world who have
trained themselves or been trained
to get
cars out of mud yeah only it's
not cars it's people
who've gotten stuck and they've gotten
stuck and and they want to be free
that's another part of like I think
the skill set that these
people seem to demonstrate
is they can recognize the people who
actually want to get out of the mud
and the people who don't who like being
stuck in the mud and the people who
like being stuck in the mud they're like
enjoy the mud and I think it's part
of what's trippy about these phases
you know the eyes and lows of life that are inevitable
is sometimes when you are stuck in the
low you know you're stuck in the low
you know what it feels like to be in the high
and you know you have done it 10,000
times before but exactly what you
say this time you don't know what
it is that's going to make it go click
and suddenly you're out right and
so you keep on that in and you
turn around and you try this try that
like the last time it was awesome is
like the
after maybe six weeks of this wasn't
terrible wasn't bad but it was
you know mild depression where
I'm under some I'm carrying
like 50 extra pound on my shoulder
kind of feeling and
my daughter started talking to me
because she saw you know I'm in a weird mode
I have been in a weird mode for a little bit
and it's not dramatic but visible
enough and I don't know
what the fuck she said but something
that she said made me I could
almost even
click in my brain where I felt something
go clung
door opening I'm suddenly
looking at the exact same situation in a
slightly different way
I sat
with it for a day or so and the next day
I was done and I was out and that whole
phase was over and I don't
even remember what words she used but
that's the thing is like it's not just a
perfect methodology that always works
every time it's like it has to be the right
I mean the right tone the right thing
that on a particular day
can turn the key
that's right and there has to be
a willingness you know there has to be
an authentic desire
because a lot of people they don't
I think everybody
naturally
wants to be
lighter
they want to be free
they want to like
it's kind of like
you know
what's one of the saddest things to see
when you're taking a walk is
sometimes you'll see people hanging on their porch
a canary
in a cage
and like
I don't know maybe the canaries never really
flown
but the canary sees birds
and knows this is possible
and it's
sad to me and I think that
everybody
deep down
knows that there's something
there is more than
maybe what they're experiencing
there's a potential for something else
but some of those people
it's way deep down and they don't want to
they don't want they're doing it in their own time
in their own way it's nobody's business and it's
absolutely fine for them to be that way
because they're in process and they need
those gestational periods
of like deep absolute traumatic
misery to get
to the point of
and when they get to that point of
it's going to be that much
more sweet because all the extra
time they served in the whole
mind of their self it's going to be that and no one should
get in the way of that
in fact I think it's
really not cool to get in the way
of that let them do it on their
own in their own way and respect
what they're going through even
if it's not palatable to you it's not your job
but some people
man they're ready
they're ready. There is need to push
one thing that say that's the way out
of the maze. Yeah that's it
and those are the people who like
some folks have gotten good at recognizing
them and or you should be good
at recognizing it in yourself like fuck I'm ready
for this and then that's why
they call this a practice which is
the reason if now
if you're out of the depression and
I'm not recommending meditation for anyone other than
me I'm just this helps me sure but
right now if you're out of the depression
and you start doing like a little bit
of mindfulness practice
what are you practicing for
you're practicing
so that when you get back there again
and you're all lost
and you've gotten all foggy and you've forgotten about
the whatever and you're lost
suddenly you'll this thing will happen
where you
where you're oh my breath oh I'm
gonna I'm gonna
I'm gonna fall in my breath for a second
oh wait I'm back
oh shit I was gone
whoa I was gone for a fucking month
holy shit
I was gone for eight hours I was completely
gone I was up in my head I
didn't want to be where I was at I wanted
something I was lost I was gone
and that those moments
of like coming back
into this beautiful
world when you've been off
and you're like simulated
holographic
jumbled confused
swirly massive memories
or
thinking about the future
worrying about the lump on your fucking head
that you got to go to the doctor all the
all the things those moments of coming back
into this has become
really sweet it becomes really
really sweet when you start realizing like
wait a minute I keep coming back
here and that's fucking great
man I
had this dream it was
the coolest fucking dream I was in some theater
big weird theater
and like I look behind me and there's this dude
sitting there that look like
the Dalai Lama but he was kind of in disguise
or something but he's definitely a monk I'm like
is that the fucking Dalai Lama
and then like I guess this Buddhist stuff's been getting in my head
or something but then something
starts demonstrating to me it's like hey
check this look what it feels like when you stop
resisting as much as you've been
resisting every single thing I just want to show
you here's kind of what it would feel like if you
just stopped resisting what came your way
or if you stop being
at if you start
if you stopped fighting against
what's happening and in the
dream for like
I don't know 20 seconds
30 seconds it was
like what you it's like the vest thing it's
like suddenly somebody just took off
a 600 pound vest
and it was the sweetest
most liberating
three incredible and it wasn't
like my external situation
changed it was just like
the stuff that was happening
I was just like in
that instead of pushing it away
and that's a big relief
for me is to like stop fighting
whatever the moment is because that's
an unwinnable war
and a lot of it right now you're doing
through meditation how often do you do it
how long like give me the basics
of meditative practice
oh my god it's like
I just did so I just did this class with Nick
turn and then it's like
I haven't done it in like a few days since
then and still I'm feeling
the effects not that you're feeling the
effects so when I'm doing it
well I am doing it
I'm just not doing it well
and and it's
important to do well that's the other cool thing about this lineage is
it's a practicing lineage
which means that it's like it's not a
this is not a
this is not
philosophical yeah yeah
it's like you do it yeah
you do it right
so yeah when you're doing it it's like
five
five days a week
20 minutes a day
you could do 10
if you don't want to do 20 come on it's like
that's like the smallest
possible investment one could make
to one's well-being it's not exactly a shit load of time
no I mean
but it's it isn't and it's that
makes it that much more hilarious when you're not
doing absolutely and
and but then the other part of it
is like don't don't beat yourself up
yeah yeah that's fine I get it completely
but still we're talking about something that
if you have any wheel
whatsoever you can do
you know if you if you want it in any
way shape or form it's totally
doable it's not like oh you know what
you need to put two hours it's like
I don't know about I don't know if I can
two hours you know that kind of thing yeah
talking about relatively small
time investment and you can what will
happen or for me what's happened is like
that the
you start you start
because this thing
has happened where you begin
to like he did this like in the class he
did this crazy
like it was amazing like you know this is all
I has all been worked out
over 2000 years
like how to do it and evolved
it's a I hate using the term but it really
is a kind of technology
sure but you sort of like
start out with just like following your breath
but then he does he's really cool
there's other things that you can do
with your awareness right so
you can move your awareness from your breath
to the visual field
right so now instead of following your breath
it's like your breath in the visual field
just like purely looking at like the
visual field around you and then like when
the thinking happens you thinking
and then you go back to like watching
but then what starts happening
or what happened
for me is you begin to experience this
if you're like me and you've taken
LSD for your entire life
you begin to experience this thing
that your mind returns
is like wait this is exactly like
LSD I feel like I'm tripping
and not tripping because you're hallucinating
but tripping in the sense that it feels as though
your identity
is beginning to
sort of dissolve
into this field of awareness
and that
yeah I was talking to him about it
and he told me the name there's a name for that
and it wasn't like he brushed it off or anything
he's like yeah that's like you can get
into that expansive space
but that's not
eat right that's not what we're doing
at the second this is let's go back
that's still your mind again being like
oh I'm spreading into infinity
okay okay thinking now let's go back
into that the moment again
but because of
like
something about it like I don't know
it does sort of
begin to unravel
it's basically like
it feels like you're wearing a straight jacket
and somebody like pulled a thread on the straight
jacket just enough
so that you can start like wriggling a little bit
and it starts loosening and loosening
but yeah five times a week
20 minutes a day
follow your breath
find a class I think taking a class
is really smart with this stuff probably
you know
speaking of meditative practices
you ever experienced much with the whole Wim Hof idea
the Wim Hof method
the breathing and the freezing your ass off
yeah
no I've
you know I've done like cold dips and really like it
and like I think there's something that
you find within that kind of
like discomfort
that's pretty amazing what about you
I haven't no I want to because it sounds like
kind of like as far as meditative practice
go that's also an interesting one
where you're playing with your breath you're still
doing that because ultimately that's where
it all starts from but you apply
it in a slightly different and I think
it's like that's something that's interesting right there
is the ability to
the basics are the same you know the goals are the
same but the ways to go about it
there's more than one way
and you try what works for you
because yeah I know people that wouldn't be called
dead sitting on a pillow
but like Wim Hof thing makes sense
to them and so okay then
that's your thing yeah it's so
important to find it
and I think that's the key is
what works for one person or
works for one person in one phase in their
life may not be the same
thing that works for the next person or even for
yourself in a different phase of your life
and so it's like keep experimenting
you know and things like these where the experiment
is not you know do it for a
week and you just spent what
hundred and probably
hundred minutes doing it five days a week
yeah a week smallest
time investment ever is it doing
anything for you yes continue
is it not doing anything for you
okay try another one try a different one
I think the
main thing
is that
if you're like me and you've heard
people talk endlessly
about there being some other
experience of
reality that doesn't seem to be
as terrified and heavy and
freaked out and angry and spooky
then
you might have rolled your eyes at that
and been extremely skeptical about that
and thought that's not that actually isn't
I actually was talking to someone the other day and like
she's miserable right now
and all I could tell her is like
yeah yeah yeah
that is
how you're feeling now but it truly
doesn't have to
be like that like you don't
have to like there is
actually a way
to live
that doesn't have to be so so
rotten and the way to get there there's so many
different paths and in fact there is no
it's a process so even to
say there's a path that leads to this destination
or that is ridiculous but there is the
potential for the
the lightning
of your load and
however you do that
to me it's like
that's part of the adventure
it's just the moment you decide
to me what really gets me into
this stuff more than ever
is when I actually
think more in terms of like
how
is this gonna help me help other people
and
how is this gonna help me
because you know everybody listening
to this
has either gone through the death
of a parent
or will go through the death of a parent
and if not the death of a parent you're gonna go through
the death of a friend
and not
not just that but like at some
point
you're gonna come into the company of someone
who is really
needing you to be
fully there with them
and you can
help in this like incredible
decentralized revolution
you can train yourself up
and to me that gets me more excited about it
than anything which is just realizing
like wait a minute this really
fuck me
please fuck me
you fuck me in the sense of like
that
I can't it's hard for me to get that excited about that
you know it's gonna
it's hard for me to get that excited about that
as much as like wait oh shit
oh shit like
actually this is real like people actually need our
help in the world big time
yeah that's one of the things like
because once you become aware
of how much suffering
you go through in life
then a lot of people just become asshole because it's like
oh I've had it bad so
I'm just gonna pass it on to everybody else
yeah but the ones who don't do that
then you become really
understanding of where everybody
comes from because it's like man
I know all too well that feeling
and it sucks and just because
it's not me right now well
this person doesn't need to be there
it's like if there's a way that I can do
something to help them out
why not that's it dude
and it's like especially like this is one of the cool things about being
an old dude
building fucking old
getting these wrinkles you know like experiencing
the pains of getting like an older body
and like feeling like all the
and all the things like I've you know
they've happened to me yeah
it's like all that shit is just training
and this adds back to the
imaginary story you can tell yourself which is
instead of thinking about your life as a
some kind of accidental
catastrophe imagine
that you've actually been being secretly trained
by a super
intelligent so that you can become
an operative in this incredible
thing that's happening and so then you
look then the moment you just make that little
shift and look back at like all the
shit that happened to you and realize
like oh god
I was fantasizing that a
Shaolin monk would come and take me to a
temple where I would like have to like
throw toothpicks through steel
but it's like oh no brother
this is way bigger than that
a super intelligence
wrapped around you in the form of your
incarnation and produced a
series of events in your life
that have like made you who
you are today and that you are going to
use at some future point
to transform somebody else
to help in some way potentially
to actually like stop
a school shooting
to stop a nuclear war
maybe we don't know collectively what
can happen so this fantasy
is so fun to play around with because it's like
suddenly your life stops being this
meaningless never ending spray
of diarrhea out of the
anus of some kind of
dark chaotic being
but actually becomes you realize like oh
this has been an organized
systematic training
that has in some way
or another given me tools
that I'm going to need to use
at some point and what happened
was that because
you right now
listening to this podcast at one point got
stuck and forgot all
this and couldn't quite get out
and you know there have been a few efforts to try to
wake you up didn't quite work out
right now the call has arrived
through the sweet
lesbian rasp of drunken trust
man
wake up
there's a revolution happening
we gotta get going
Danielli thank you so much
thank you for being on my show
and letting me be on yours
this is awesome but especially because now thanks
to this we have the wake up call
for everybody but right now there are probably
thousands of people who suddenly their
third eye just open
and they are like I know kung fu
and now they are off in the universe
trying to make the world a better place
Hare Krishna
that was Danielli Bollelli everybody
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Hare Krishna
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