Duncan Trussell Family Hour - 296: Derrick Beckles

Episode Date: July 18, 2018

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Head to Squarespace dot com port slash Duncan for a free trial and when you're ready to launch use offer code Duncan to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or a domain. Greetings to you sweet friends. It is I D Trussell and you are listening to the Duncan Trussell family hour podcast. I don't remember where I read it, but I read somewhere that if something magical happens to you, you should announce that something magical has happened to you. Actually now that I think about it, I think that the idea is that if you cast a spell that works, you're supposed to say that the spell worked.

I can't remember wizard rules, right? I mean, they're so difficult to remember. But there are rules out there for wizards and witches and warlocks and I think one of the main rules is that we have to be very careful about what we say because sometimes not all the time, sometimes the things that you say actually do come true and this can happen in the in big ways and it can also happen in really small ways and today happened in a really small way, which is that I was having a meeting and I was talking with someone that I'm working with and we're just discussing, you know, having dogs around and what it's

like to have dogs in an office and he told me a really sad story, which is that during a meeting, someone's dog had shit on the floor of the office and they had accidentally rolled their chair backwards into the shit. I guess it happened really quick. The dog did a kind of terrorist style shit right in front of the wheels of the wheelie chair and they were probably engrossed in like some serious conversation and the chair went back and all that pressure and the wheel and just smashed all the shit into the wheel and the chair and he told me how to throw the chair away, whatever, you know, it's just

a classic like disaster, minor disaster, minor catastrophe story involving dog shit and that brought to mind something that I've seen on the internet, which you can Google, which is from and probably more than actually, you know what, I'm going to Google it right now. Let me see. There's probably, it's probably a whole genre by now. Yep, for sure, it's a genre and the genre is Roomba's activating on their own and rolling over dog shit in someone's house. And so this is just a recipe for pure unbridled horror.

When you get home, you get home, you programmed your Roomba to clean the house, you get home and the Roomba has done the opposite. It is covered your house with shit and sure it would be easy to get into how this represents one of the many technological disruptions that has been predicted as we move towards the singularity, I could point out that this is a very small example of the potential catastrophe that happens when technology intersects and slams into biology. It's not always transhumanism. It's not always CRISPR transforming our cells so that we become stronger, less fat or smarter.

Sometimes it can go wrong. It can go Brundle fly level wrong. And that's what happens when a Roomba slides over dog shit at your house. So, you know, I just brought it up because we're talking about, I guess, tools that spread shit, chair being a tool, Roomba being a tool, and we didn't even get to get in the conversation about it. But here's the magic part, I'm in the Uber headed home when my wife calls to tell me that the Roomba ran over dog shit.

This happened within probably 20 minutes of talking about it at this meeting. And look, I, you know, I'm a blabbermouth. I'll admit it. It's my job. I talk all the time and I talk too much. The other night at a party, I gave somebody like an authentic ear beating like an eight minute, at least an eight minute ear beating about modular synthesizers and I couldn't make myself.

I was like watching my lips. I was boring myself. Like if my skeleton could have ripped itself out of my own body and run away from the ear beating, I was giving this man, I, it would have, but I was stuck listening to my voice yap about modular synthesizers to somebody who like, I, I'm very sorry that I did that to that man. But I very rarely talk about shit smearing Roombas. And this happened within minutes of the conversation.

So it reminded me of something that somebody, I love a lot. Michael Beckwith talks about, which is that we, with every word we create the universe with everything you say, you are the universe where the universe is in process. And sometimes if you're not careful, you can speak things into existence. And I guess you just have to watch out. You know, I get, what am I saying? Am I saying we shouldn't tell stories of Roombas colliding with dog shit or that's going to happen to us?

I mean, that's some Transylvania level superstitious gypsy crap. Am I saying there's some kind of strange, my cereal network of energy that connects all of us and maybe I, I somehow like picked up on the horror that my wife must have been feeling realizing that while she had been outside, allowing our robot vacuum cleaner to clean the house, she had become victim to a kind of canine sabotage of Viet Cong level canine sabotage, which is that the being had figured out a way not just to shit on the floor, but to get that shit distributed throughout the house. Look, I don't know what I'm saying, except maybe we've got to be a little more careful

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which is now airing on adult swim. I hope you'll check it out. Everybody please welcome to the Duncan Tressel family hour podcast, Derek Beckles. It's the Duncan Tressel family hour podcast. Derek, welcome back to the DTFH. Oh shit. You got to pull that. Oh yeah.

I got it now. You can spin it around. I can do this. Look at that. There we go. Derek, welcome back to the DTFH. It's great to see you, man. It's been too long.

It has been too long. Thank you. Man, I've been checking out your new show, mostly for millennials. It looks awesome. Thank you. It looks scary to make. Yeah. You and Eric, you guys do the most insanely dangerous man on the street stuff that I've

ever seen times a million. And I saw that you actually got arrested doing one of these. Can you tell me about that? Yeah. For sure. Well, it was, I think it was like our last or to second last day of shooting too. But yeah, man, we love doing man on the street stuff and we love escalating them like from, you know, just kind of trying to do, do the other bits.

And after a while, that just becomes its own math because you have to, there's so many things that go into it, you know, it's like, we want it to come off, you know, we want to like, exercise the 13 year old part of our brain. But we also want to do something that's hopefully, you know, just beyond like poopy fart fart. So sometimes that's just funny. But you know what I mean? You want something that's going to like possibly be, well, let, you know, be worthy of repeat viewings, but also be worthy of like doing stupid smart and smart stupidly, you know?

So yeah, it's like you guys walk this crazy tightrope in between what you're saying, which is just like, you know, really basic like fart jokes or whatever, which is absolutely fine. And then on the other side of it is some kind of like Russian deep Russian existentialist theater or something. And there's a and that's a crazy place for those two things to meet. Yeah, it's I mean, I'm glad you think so. I really am because it's it's like the when I almost got arrested as I was doing this

bit called basically, it was just save the planet. So I'm walking around and I have this giant like planet suit that our amazing wardrobe person Ryan made. And so I'm planet Earth and I'm walking around and I'm like handing out pamphlets, but I'm also throwing pamphlets in the air and I'm littering, you know, it's just like the antithesis of a guy who wants to save the planet. So and then that Flat Earth comes out. Andre Highlands dresses Flat Earth and he comes out.

He comes out of nowhere and just attacks when we start fighting. And so we got great reactions from the crowd. There's people reacting to like me littering, obviously, there's like and then when we started fighting and it got really physical, people were like on the hook and screaming things at us and like trying to stop us from fighting. And then I started pouring. I grabbed this like red canister that like you have gasoline in it and I started pouring that down.

Yeah, Andre's throat. It was supposed to be motor oil, but we ended up we just had to use this gas canister. And that was a bridge too far. Like people were like, oh, my God, this guy is throwing is like pouring gasoline down the throat. And I was doing it as like a save the earth guy. And in the original bit, too, I was supposed to have a daughter that was actually handing out stuff and I was like teaching her all the wrong lessons.

But anyway, so I'm attacking Andre and and then I just hear like whoop whoop. It's a very distinct noise and I just feel my arms being wrenched behind my back. And I look up and it's just a cop with like a what the fuck are you doing? I'm not in the mood face. No, they actually said, yeah, you guys didn't have to do this. Yeah, it's kind of resigned. Yeah, he's like, you know, you guys didn't have to do this. Right. Like the street is littered.

There is like it's insanity. People are like you're horrified or they're angry or they're scared. But you know what I really like, man? Well, you know, I'll tell you one thing quickly. Sorry. But the cop said to me like he goes. And it I, you know, it's one of those things that occurs afterwards, but he's like, he goes, you know, when I roll, when we roll up on somebody and he's pouring gas down somebody's throat, you're just lucky

you didn't get shot. It's like, oh, yeah, there's that part of the equation. And Eric runs into that, too, where like people get very physical and can get very strange. Like we I'll tell you about a mall thing we did, too. That tell me tell me now. I'd love to hear it. I there's an upcoming episode where I I'm a I come out hot.

Like I'm a choreography for an elderly flash mob. So I I got all these. I got I got this elderly flash mob. We choreographed a simple little dance for them, but embedded with them is like this, like this older dude who's like this, like tough as, like tough as nails, like cartoon character of an old school Irish dude who was like a stuntman with like a broken nose. And he's embedded in he's embedded in the in the flash mob.

And I just come out hot and I'm screaming at them because they don't have their shit together. I'm just like it's it's it's like it's like it's like Roy Scheider and in what you call it. Oh, I know exactly what you're talking about. The fucking like what's like all that jazz, all that jazz. It's like it's like I was like a combination between like a Roy Scheider and all that jazz and the dude from Wow.

And the dude from showgirls when he's just like berating people. So I'm just screaming at the at these elderly people for not having their shit together. And I'm just like, how long have we been practicing? This is a trash mob, not a flash mob. And the old dude's like, you can't say that to us. And I was like, really, you're out of it. You're out of the group now.

And we just start shoving each other and it's bedlam. We just like started throwing each other a few glass. What the fuck. And there's actually like passerby. Oh, it's like in the middle of all while people are shopping. So it is like battle. There's just like three levels of the mall. People just screaming and like taking pictures.

The interesting thing is like people default now just to like just just to like recording things and like documenting them. If they're even do document. I don't even know if they're thinking about they're just doing it because it's like it's this new reflex we have. So people just tend not to get involved. People were getting involved, but like the majority of people were just like filming.

That was their version of getting involved. Like, I've got to stop this. Record. Isn't that wild? Because I think when you what that what you're seeing there is like a combination defense mechanism, combination. And I don't like using the term. I don't think it's maybe accurate, but it gets thrown around a lot.

Late stage capitalism, which is that when violence starts happening instead of wanting to stop it, you want to figure out a way to commodify it. Right. Just to record it and put it on your Instagram. Yeah, it's just like, oh, shit, violence. That's worth a lot of likes. Let me grab it. Exactly. Yeah.

And it's pretty eerie, I bet, to witness that reaction instead of what should just be someone should be like, hey, we're going to break this up. Yeah. And there's like a guy who's like, I was going to start kicking your ass. But right. And that's this, which is what I was expecting. I was like, OK, so let's start kicking my ass.

What does the war room look like when you're planning this stuff out? When you guys are writing the show, how do you what's the process from like the inception of the idea to like getting permission from the network and insurance? How do you pull that out? Yeah, that's like, oh, Lord. I mean, we we basically just like have no we, you know, it's the we agree on the fact that like there's just like the there's no stupid ideas

and anything that you do think is a stupid idea. Great. Say it even louder. Cool. You know, just like, yeah. And we even like kind of part of the process for the stuff we will work on is just to to actually embrace like the stupidest stuff. Like we we like, you know, we we actually favor trying to get people's minds to go into like the stupidest direction possible and and try and make it.

Try and make it. I had to adjust the mic. I was like at the microphone dentist for a second. Oh, but yeah, anyways, it's it's, you know, we celebrate stupidity. And again, like I was saying, it's like we also try to put as much smart or make as much of a statement as possible about certain things. But yeah, the process is just like we know sometimes we're just going to get in shit. It's just kind of like it's like that it's it's that moment where like two kids

come up with an idea when their parents are away. And they're like, oh, my God, we have to do this. We're not getting so much shit when mom and dad come home, but we have to do this. So it's just like, doesn't the network interfere? Aren't they? I mean, aren't there lawyers and insurance companies? Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, yeah. And then it's like and we always have to like negotiate.

It's like it's like a bizarre chess game sometimes. And other times you can argue your point. And and then sometimes it's just like it's a hard no. And that that becomes part of like the corporate structure of networks where it's just like we can't do that because Nabisco is going to get really pissed off because, you know, we they have a product and you can't do that because the product is on our it's just turns into a labyrinth or a labyrinth. So sometimes it's just like advertising gets involved.

And I'm just like, you can't do that. Yeah, that's where you're going to fuck yourself. You're going to get you're going to get sued. You're going to get hurt. Yeah, you're going to and like that's what's so bad. And that's that's the other thing. Sorry. Yeah. No, please go. I was going to say, it's just like we like we know we're putting ourselves on the line,

but we don't we don't want other people to get fucked up. You know what I mean? We don't want to like have somebody like react in a way that's going to do themselves harm. So we kind of negotiate that in our minds as well. Like while we're making up these these pranks and sometimes they're just completely stupid. But we're putting ourselves. We always put ourselves on the line more than than anybody that could be involved.

And we consider like the possibilities of how people can react. And like, you know, it's always you never know, but you try to like be as responsible as possible while you're being as responsible as you can try to. Gotcha. Yeah. And then there's also that like there's sort of like when you're running pranks like that, there's this I wrote on a prank show. And there's always this like weird, like ethical consideration, not based on violence, but also just based on like, you know, like, you know, like punked, for example.

Some of those fucking pranks were just really just ridiculous. Like, like I threw a brick through your window and you got mad. Yes. You know, it's like, well, no shit. Like what's what's there to what's punked here? You like broke through somebody or I don't know if that actually happened. You know what I mean? It's real. Oh, yeah. But they've done they did variations on that theme of just like destroying somebody's car and the person comes on and goes, I'm mad.

I'm mad. And now I got you. You got mad. But you guys are doing this like what I love about is you sort of woven into the prank, this commentary on the modern times on the world. Yeah, exactly. It's just like it is all about just people like record things instead of getting involved. And then the end of that mall bit, by the way, there's like a there's like another layer to ending to it. So it doesn't just end with me fighting this old guy.

Like it's it plays itself out into this. Like I start crawling away and it's really it's really quiet in the mall because I'm just crawling away. And then I rip my shirt open and then the elderly people run in and they I guess it doesn't matter. I was a spoiler, right? Spoiler guys, let's wait 20 30 seconds, guys. We're going to not 30 seconds. Turn it off or skip forward or do something spoil.

And I rip my shirt open. I've just got like a I've just got like a layer of nipples. Like they just they run over and they start suckling from my nipples. So it's just like turning and turning and people or their heads explode. Jesus Christ, that's so fucking good, man. That kind of like what would you call that? Like if you weren't filming it, would you call that culture jamming? Have you ever heard that? Yeah, yeah.

I remember people used to use that term. Yeah, yeah, like just like I it's and there's a lot like layered into why we do that stuff and the whole suckling thing and just, you know, I could it's it's I just I feel like you don't need a reason, but there is. But it's just like it's just like the idea of just something. But yeah, it is to me. It's like and I think to Eric and other writers on the show, for sure.

It's a combination of making these like, you know, the maybe maybe they're just like they're maybe they they feel like terribly academic sometimes or they're like they they they're more esoteric. But they're like these kind of weird little statement pieces, but they're also just like art, you know, it's like a street art. Yeah, yeah. But that's the idea, and it's like it seems like I always feel bad with a podcast with any anything I'm putting out there.

And I do it. I mean, I do it and it's embarrassing. But when I throw something out there that isn't funny, you know what I mean? When I get pissed at something or or or even worse, like, I feel like I'm going to talk about me in attention, you know what I mean? And I'm listening myself doing something. And it's just it's not there's nothing in it. It's like even remotely what you would call artistic and certainly not funny.

It just but it's like scratching some weird itch inside of me to be like, let me take you out again. But I mean, like if you're like if you're actually if you're like it's the sincerity of it and like turning people onto something and a trust people have in you, right? And there's and and there's a reason people are drawn to you. So you make good work of that. Well, sometimes, but sometimes there's fail.

The failure to meet what I'm saying is what you're like. So like you come up with a thing you want to say, like let's say you want to say. People really do seem to be ignoring the violence of the world by imagining they have control over it from filming it or some some something like that. Right. And sure, you could say that you could you could tweet that and people are going to be like, yeah, I guess so. Or right, you make that the core of a hilarious, bizarre piece of art and let them look at it and realize that themselves now you've actually accomplished

something wonderful because like it's you're demonstrating. And and you're like you're giving them something that they by and large aren't going to experience again the following week or possibly ever again. And they also part of that part of that labyrinth and all the trouble we went through to make that that that hidden camera bit was we knew that people were going to be pissed off once the like their their heads were going to kind of explode once the suckling started. They weren't going to know what to make of it.

But I saw it demonstrated out loud and like people were like, oh, shit, it wasn't a real you know what I mean? Like, oh, he wasn't really about to murder this old guy. I'm going to have to like I've been feeling like 90 percent of the people just like erased the footage on their phone. I didn't get a murder. There would be a comment for sure. He's like, that wasn't real.

I can't believe I just had to watch a fake murder murder. Oh, my God. Yeah. And that is like really, really the thing, isn't it? That's the thing, man. It's like, God damn it. What's that amazing? Amazing. They redid it. There's an amazingly violent movie.

Fuck. Oh, I just watched it with my wife. It's so fucked up. Anthony Jeselnick named accidentally or intentionally named his tour after. It's called. You know, I'm talking about the two dudes end up just going into into like a house and they end up like basically it's like just like they end. It's a home invasion movie.

Oh, you know, I'm talking about it's so good. It was like a pretty things. No, no. God damn it. No, not pretty. It's not pretty things. It's it's like that. Yes, it's why would I think of it either? So it's like two guys and they just go in and they have golf clubs.

And that's it. And it was based on a Scandinavian film. That's it. I'll just like write down the time and stick it up and like do like an interjection. Guys, sit back while we try to remember this. Yeah, that's fun. That's fun. That's fun to listen to.

Make yourself some cocoa. We're going to try to remember the name of this thing. If only we had something that like had all human information that we could have. Funny games. Funny games. Wow. Yeah, funny games. And so you're watching this movie and you're in the brilliance of the movie is at first

you're watching the movie and you start getting mad at the dudes with the golf clubs who are torturing this family, right? And then one of them looks at the camera, right? And starts talking to you and you realize, wait a minute. I'm the one watching this shit. Yeah. I'm the voyeur. I'm the one who's getting off on the fucking violence and the brilliance of that is because

sure you could really just say to people, hey guys, here's something. Yeah. You like it. Like as George Carlin said, I like it when terrible things happen. You like it. Yeah. You pretend you don't like it and you get really pious about it. But the reality is forensic files.

How many fucking seasons of forensic files are there? Exactly. How many seasons? By the way, great mustaches on that show. I've addicted every single person on that show, whether they're the perp or the cop. They have fucking great mustaches there. Dude, I. It's like the mustache hall of fame.

I have actually had the thought. You know, like how thoughts will flicker across your mind before you can stop them? Just like a bird flying out of some subterranean cavern in your heart. And you're like, oh my God, that lives in me. That's beautiful. This I had this fucking thought fly across watching forensic files after I'd seen every episode. I was like, man, they need to make more episodes, which means more people need to get violently right.

Exactly for my pleasure. So like, yeah. So I can like make cheese doodles and or like eat cheese doodles and watch. It's hotel room. It's hotel room fair. That's what it is when you're on vacation. I noticed that about watching like, I mean, like like classic law like the classic like law and order, you know, the classic like sweet spot and law and order like kind of like the middle

of of them making that series for like 500 years. But like between year 300 and year 700, they had like, it's great. It's like law and order SUV, SVU is like, it's terrible. It's like terrifying. It's just like, it's like an excuse to like hear the word sperm come out of a child's mouth. Like it's just like, it's just horrible. I'm like a prime time. And I mean, it's acting and plot aside.

It's I mean, at the core, that's kind of what people are just gravitated. It's like this this gruesome nature of the show. And I was watching it one day and I was like, it's the same thing. You talk about forensic files. I'm watching them. And then in my mind, I'm like, I turn into the worst piece of shit in the world. I'm just like, I wouldn't have put the kid's body there. And I'm like, I'm like, oh, cool.

I've murdered a child and I'm fucking scolding this dude for where he hid the body. He's like, I want to take the bow. I would have like put it chopped into five. Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yes. What an idiot. All right. I can't believe he did that.

Are you kidding? Like that seems like the most obvious mistake. I want to tell that kid's body way better. I mean, it's a child's body. Like you could invest in an ice chest that will easily fit a child's body You know, it's land there is that people wouldn't even look at. And it's like, oh my God. But I mean, that's why people like, we're getting so dark.

But it's just like, I mean, that's the reason why people are just like watching any sort of like, that's the reason why car chasers are on the news for like an hour and a half. That's the reason why they're just like people just love waiting to find out where they're going to find the body. Well, yeah. And it's like those kids that were in the cave, right? Like I'm just like, how many people are just like wanting to see how this turns into the darkest thing in the world? When they just all suffocate?

Like, yeah, exactly. It's like, oh, I hope they have cameras jailed there for that part. Or fuck, man. I mean, obviously, like someone is definitely going to all you that is the like that thing right there. That could so easily turn into the coolest fucking horror movie ever. Just like the fucking kids like writers. They're getting rescued. There's some shit in the cave.

Yeah, starts fucking with them. But they got out. Thank God. But the well, we can still hope that they have something inside of them from the cave. That's going to come out in the hospital. Holy fuck, that's what it is. It starts off as a movie about a cave rescue and turns into these little tie kids with their eyeballs exploding and scorpion things crawling out.

Yeah, they're like patient zeros. They're like the Trojan horses. Are you listening, Hollywood? Guys, make this fucking movie. Make us make this movie. Yeah, yeah, that's it. We'll make money off of things. Ah, you're on Duncan Trussell's pitch.

You ready? But man, this is where it gets to me where it gets really, really interesting is that like as a person is being violently murdered, there is some percentage chance that if the murder is interesting enough or just lands on the radar of forensic file, then that murder is going to be turned into money. That's the thing is that murders are being harvested for cash. Like that's the. Well, and you notice how like how now people are just prepped to be on the show to talk

about like the murders, too. Like I have a feeling you'd probably have to like really take have an like there'd be some form of effort whenever ago to like have somebody sit down and calmly talk about how their friend got murdered and all of like the red flags and with their hair done and. Right, makeup, makeup, hair and makeup, hair and makeup. Okay, Cynthia, do you want some powder before you talk about your daughter being brutally chopped to pieces? Can you just go?

All right, we're just going to go that through one more time. We just need you to say, I'm a little less. Yeah. So let's just talk about your daughter being murdered and action and a producer. Oh, okay. A producer is watching and when they start crying, the producer's like, yes, yes, they're crying. And then I was watching one where somebody who was like John Keyhon as or somebody and the they were just like egging each other at odd.

It's like, so that must have been weird. It's like, oh my God, totally weird. It's like, you must have been like, what's going on? It's like, I was totally like, what's going on? Yeah. I've been like talking about their best friend being murdered. I'm like, oh, Lordy, it's absurdity. It really is taking quite a turn.

It's fucking crazy, but you this it seems like your show mostly for millennials. It seems like it's like it's a comedy. It's it's a comedy, but it does seem to be like as I was researching this, it does seem like you're you're making a commentary on sort of the exploitation by corporations of a specific demographic. It's like seeing it through the prism of like of like corporate. It's like it's generational. It's like people always want to know what the kids are doing.

You know, like every generation has that. And it's like from the people who are like out of touch. And but then they will want to make money off of it. They have to market to it. They have to do whatever they keep the machine running. They have to keep. So it's like, yeah, it's like this clueless, pandering attempt attempt to be cool. All combined with just like this like ethically and morally unhinged host who's like a narcissist

and a crowd that's like bloodthirsty. Like the crowd, the audience is the audience, you know, it's just like this bloodthirsty audience is like when I come out and go like, should I chop my head off? You know, they're like, yeah, do it. And they have their phones out, you know, everybody wants it. Where'd you come up with that idea to make the audience bloodthirsty like that? Where did that pop into your head?

I just thought it would be I thought it would be it's a great way to have the audience be active. And kind of just like it because it's the whole the premise of or, you know, one of the one of the central kind of points of the show is like how primal everything is. Right. And like, so they're the audience is like just is just like this this crowd of id, you know, like, right. And they, you know, it's like it's like a bloodthirsty kind of Mori Povich audience kind of. So it's just like they on cue.

They're like, oh, you know, and then when something is about to go down, they're like, yeah, blood, blood, blood. And then when they, you know, they worship me in a weird way, but they also get they worship me, but they also they deify me, but they also get confused by me. Right. Right. So that aspect of it to me is just like the cultishness of things. So it's like we've created our own little hermit kingdom.

Yeah. Right. Like, it's like, it's just like, it's anytime you watch anything about a cult, you know that there's definitely those days where probably a larger percentage than not is scratching their head going, what was, what was she talking about today? Well, she was, don't worry. There's a reason for what happened today. You know, and I feel like that's also a response and like a mirror to what's going on in the

world or politics. I just think people are like, don't worry. There's a reason he's doing that. And it's just like, yeah, he's not actually. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? It's the illusion of a lot of fun. It's so fun, man, but it's terrifying.

It's terrifying because what we've done, what we managed to do here is create this kind of illusion that there are certain infallible people on planet Earth. Yeah, we need to. Do you think we need to? I think we need to feel that way. I think it's like ego. I think it's just like, I need to feel that way because that I've decided that person is here to represent me.

Therefore, when they do something, it's me doing it. And I would do the best things in the world or whatever. You know, it's just like, I would, because I've decided to put, you know, my like to basically endorse this behavior or this person, what they do is reflective of my decision. Therefore, I cannot allow there to be any cracks in the mirror. It's just like, right. This is all fun. It's going to be fun.

And I think it's a very ego driven. I think, I think it's and I think that everything that we're doing now and the way the exact what we're talking about, like just people like documenting themselves and being their own brands and all the hellish things that we even have to do. It's just like, I think when when that takes over, that's that's what happens. It's just because everybody becomes like monolithically narcissistic. That's a beautiful way to put it. And it's so sad when it happens.

If you like, I just rewatched Grizzly Man. Have you seen that in a while? Grizzly Man with yeah. And, you know, this is this dude who's like on one level seems to be really, really sweet attuned to nature. Foxes follow him around. He's obviously got some like serious fucking issues he's working through. But his like main like M.O. is I'm here to protect these bears.

Yeah. But if he'd never gone out there, then he ended up like two bears. Ended up getting killed because of him. Like bears ended up getting killed because of him. And like in his intended effect, it had the opposite effect because the reality is you're watching it is like he really believes this shit. It's not like he's evil, but the reality of it is by going into this place and turning himself into a hero, he has actually become the thing that he was

apparently fighting against the classic problem. But on top of that, he there's, you know, that wonderful part where Werner Herzog listens to the footage of him being eaten by a bear because he left the lens cap on. But the no one mentions once in the scene that as a bear was coming into his in his tent to attack him and his girlfriend, he took a moment to turn his fucking camera on. Right. You know, like you're you're about to get eaten. Yeah.

And you're like, wait, oh shit, I got to get this on tape. And then he's in so he's like recording himself being devoured by a wild animal, like maybe in that millisecond of trying to decide what to do. The order of priority should be get away from the bear. Right. First. Oh yeah, absolutely. But his order of priorities was film being eaten by the fucking bear.

And so yeah. So what you're talking about is just this very thing, which is that it's like, man, we all want to be fucking heroes, of course. And it's a beautiful design. It's good to save people and to save the world. Yeah. But it seems like the order of priorities is that before we become the heroes, let's get the fucking cameras rolling and then do the heroic act.

Yeah. And then it's also like, let's make sure. Yeah, let's make sure that when we're doing the heroic act, it catches my good side. It still comes back to ourselves. Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, dude, that's right. It's central to it.

Dude, fuck, my bald spot really showed up when I was saving that kid. Is there any guys, is there any way? Is there another angle of me saving that kid? There's got to be a better angle than that, man. Shit, I'm getting fucking bad, man. Can we just concentrate on the me not, nobody's seeing my bald spot? Yeah, like the kid becomes secondary after a while. Isn't that wild, dude?

Isn't that what I just went to? I know, man. It's really, I mean, listen, every one of us is guilty of this in some way or another. Yeah, I think this is, I think this is like, I think this is just a brand new mirror that's come off of the assembly line that's showing us in like, it's just a different reflective nature. I think this stuff is always in us. I just think this is like a new mirror off the assembly line

that has a different reflective quality. And we're like, oh, shit, from this angle, we're also pretty terrible. Right. And I think that that's sort of like come up and in general, we all need to like be, I think it starts with like, if we're being hard on like people in the media or we're being hard on whoever it is for being infallible or not being infallible, then guaranteed that's gotta be a reflection of us being hard on ourselves, right?

Yeah. The idea is like, we're fallible, human, greedy, egocentric, self-interested, because we are fucking descended from monkeys. Yeah. Well, and yeah, I think it's, I think it's just like people, it's just like people will find, sometimes people will just find their, their reason to be angry at other people. And that's manifested because their dad was just a drunk who screamed at them all the time. That's right.

And it's just like, and it's just like, really? Do your fucking daddy issues have to like affect people's lives in such a terrible way? Yeah. You know what I mean? Like you're angry at your dad by vilifying this group of people or whatever. Yeah. And there's so many ding-dongs out there like that. And it's just like, why are you doing this? Oh, because there's like a, there's this dark little hole inside of you that cannot be filled.

Well, that's where, and the problem is we're- And that's me. And that person is me. It's me too. Wait, no, it's fucking me, motherfucker. It's just me, not you. You're mine. I'm a fucker.

And this is the, and this is what it, this is exactly it, man. And the problem with what you just said for me, and I think for a lot of people, is that the moment you summon the asshole that you ate most into your month and zoom backwards in time, and inevitably you're going to find some sweet kid who's getting the shit kicked out of them by something. Yeah. You know? And it's-

Yeah. A lot of the time. A lot of the time. Maybe not all the time. Yeah. But a lot of the time. And the moment you get, you realize that, now it's like, motherfucker, I can't hate you at the level I'd like to because I've humanized you.

Yeah, it's like, it's, I don't know if it's absolutely analogous to this, but it's like, when, I guess it's, what I'm trying to say is it's just that, it is just that simple sometimes. Like, I remember, you know, you talked to, you talked to like a cop who's like a detective or something, and it's just like, well, so you guys like, like, you know, you think of things in terms, TV becomes our documentary series, right? Like, that's the way we start approaching life. Like, these TVs are like, like SVU is a documentary. So it's like, I guess you get some like, somebody calls in with a tip or something,

or like, you notice that the guy's got some blood on his shirt, and you just kind of track him down and follow him around. And the cops are just like, no, dude, usually what it is, is somebody got murdered, you ask their girlfriend or their boyfriend or whoever, hey, was somebody mad at them? Yeah, this guy had his job, said he hated them. Go to the, go to the job, the guy's there, did you kill him? Yes. Case closed.

He said, it's usually that. Like, it's not mysterious. It's not mysterious. Human nature is not some kind of mystical kaleidoscope. And that's, that, that, that's exactly what, I think that's what we need to think about ourselves is that we are, we are that capable of engineering this like dynamic outcome to things where in fact it's just like our, like the way we achieve things sometimes is just like, we're just like, we're sniffing our fingers after scratching our groin, you know?

Yeah. Yeah. That's the process involved. This is like, it's like, so we, but we need to feel like through leaders or whoever the hell that we're like, we're like, we're, yeah, this is, that's right. That's, this is, this is how good I am too, or whatever the hell this is like. Yeah. It's like kind of like, well, we're looking for a tuning fork.

We're all looking for a fucking tuning fork, man. That's what we want really bad and we need one. And if we had a great tuning fork, which is what a really great leader could be. I mean, on the grand scheme of scale, it seems a little insane or a lot insane to imagine that one fucking dude can tune an entire country of millions of people. That's fucking stupid. Yeah. It's, it's kind of amazing that we, I mean, it's, I guess it keeps us from inevitably

sinking into that place that we all know that we can easily achieve, which is just like absolute chaos. Absolutely. Like left to our own volition, just a mess. Right. So it's just like, we need this like central, the central character to like to be our mouthpiece or whatever the hell the person's supposed to be. But it's just like, yeah, the descent into math, it is so insane.

But then you look at the alternative and I just think it would just be like an absolute descent into madness. Talk about, we're doing that, I think. Let's talk about that. I want you to explain that to me because that is so like the, one of the, I think. Yeah. If I wanted to control a huge group of people. Yeah.

One of the first things I'd want to get into their heads is that if they were not controlled, they would descend into madness. All right. Yeah. That's like a really useful thing to tell people is like, hey, without me, you guys are going to go absolutely fucking nuts. You're going to start stabbing each other. Trust me.

Trust me. You need the dude with the suit and the nuclear arsenal or this fucking humanity thing. Oh man, you're just going to go nuts. Yeah. We need this. Yeah. I'm like the best brand of glue that you could possibly hold it all together. Baby.

And like you. So it's just like, I think it's just like we were like, you watch movies about, pardon me, like a, like, I love movies about the president of the United States when they're like always making decisions. Like the president is like, no, we're not going to do that. We're going to do this. And it's like, Mr. President, the president said we're going to do that. And they make these like insane decisions or like that are for the betterment of the

you know, they're the hero figure, but they'll just like make these amazing decisions immediately. And I think that's what people still think that like presidents and world leaders are like, like they're in an office and they're like, no, we're not doing it that way anymore. We're doing it this way because it's the right thing to do. Right. And then some nobody objects to it. Everybody goes like, supreme leader, like it's very supreme leader. Very.

Yeah, very. And very definitely not how it happens. We have no idea what fucking goes on up there. But you know, I think it's like a really important thing to think about and which is is it the human tendency to descend into madness if they're not being lied to by a charismatic leader? Because if that's the case, I think it's a pretty dire prognosis for our species, you know, and a lot of people anarchists in particular say, you know, actually that is a

intentional bit of conditioning that has been going on for a very long time. And usually they'll cite things such as disasters, like whenever a disaster happens and like there aren't no like cops and there are no presidents and there temporarily isn't a government. There's just rubble everywhere. Yeah. You'll notice that it doesn't descend into madness, rather it actually seems to ascend into some kind of like very temporary form of socialism, which is that people come out

of their houses and start digging people out of rubble or bring people into their houses or give people water or go out in boats and take people out of their houses. And then you realize like, wait, hold on a fucking second here. Maybe that's our tendency. It's just that tendency is being subverted by putting one dude in place in a place where it should be like, I don't know, smaller groups of like tribes or communities. I think, I think like, yeah, I mean, I think that's like, I mean, that's a hopeful way of

looking at it. I think that maybe it's naive. I don't know. No, that's the thing. I don't know either. I just like, and it is, I don't think there's anything to be, I don't think there's any reason to fear that possibility. I just wonder if it's like where, I wonder if it's, that's where we're at.

It's like, we just need like, we need something to hammer us over the head so hard. Like a disaster that just does not have any favorites. So we realize that we're all at the mercy of this event and it takes something that powerful and that like, unconditionally, essentially like, it just doesn't give a fuck who you are. It's just going to like, it's going to affect you in a negative way. It takes, it takes that amount of, sorry, let me start again. It takes something that like,

intense to make us feel empathetic, because now the, now the shoe is collectively on all of our other feet. Like now we're all those people, right? Like we're all of those people. We're all, you know, pretty much fucked all at once. Right. So we, we don't have time to like have to, to like play some sort of bullshit order of like who is superior and who is like more deserving of something or whatever, whatever

it is that we like to do when we have our spare time. By the way, we go to grocery stores and we eat and we sit in chairs all day. So now we've just become like this, everybody's like in their own version of Rome. Everybody's just sitting with their, in their togas going like, those people, I assume it. Those people shouldn't come to the country. Like we're all our own little murals. So I sometimes, yeah, it's like, it takes like an earthquake or a natural disaster, a fucking like tornado to rip an entire community to pieces.

So that people are just like actually just brought down to the same level. And then there's just like, I have no choice but to like actually look at this person who I was judging last week and help them. Well, the exactly, I mean, this is one of the, this is, this is a super long wind. Beautifully said though, man, it's just like the thing is, it's like clearly, clearly we're out of tune. And it's like certainly one of the like great tuning forks is catastrophe. If there ever was like a wonderful tuning fork to what a human being is, it's a

fucking disaster. And then you'll see like, man, people fucking die for people they don't know. They jump into lakes and pull kids out for no, and they don't even think about it. They just instinctually, naturally fucking do it. And like it sucks, man. That's a shitty fucking tuning fork. There's all kinds of tuning fork. It's called hit and bottom, right?

Hit and bottom. That's what alcoholics and drug addicts, they have to like get to the point where they're like, they've got, they're like getting fucking fisted by some dude under a bridge while like sucking a horse's dick just to get like 75 cents to buy like a little fucking crystal fucking light. That just turned into a postcard. That's my hitting bottom story. Literally.

That's when I knew I had to stop playing World of Warcraft. The worst postcard in the world. Come visit hitting bottom, Tennessee. But you, you know, man, when that, so like for a lot, like most like to bring it, the problem is like, also we all, I tend to project onto the entire planet or under the huge swaths of populations. I've never fucking met a personality and a motivation and an intention and then the whole time I'm just sort of like ignoring myself.

But I know that in general, when I slam into the wall of my own identity, not just like in my own mind, but when like something happens where I'm like, whoa, wow, I fucked up. That was a big mistake. I shouldn't have done that. Holy shit. I heard somebody's, you know, I fucked up. Then that's when like they're, I evolve. Like once I snuck out of a, I was working at a summer camp as a camp counselor and I

snuck out because my friends were having like a keg party up in the mountains. And I took a, like I went with like two counselors in training. I'm in my fucking like car driving down the fucking. It's raining. I'm in North Carolina driving around these crazy roads. I guess my idea was I'll just go get fucking hammered at this kegger. I think it was like an hour and a half away from the camp, drive back to camp by the morning and then like take care of kids.

Right. It's just, you know, like I can't think of anything more fucking irresponsible and horrible and stupid. I'm like, I'm driving down this fucking road and like right in front of me, man, like, cause it was foggy and it's like within it, like the fog clears just enough time for me to see one of those big yellow sharp turn signs, which I'm slamming into. I hit it. The car fucking flips, breaking glass.

The cars, I'm upside down in the car. The radio is playing. I think it's cream in the white room with black curtains by the stage. Right. In the back seat of the car are two, I think one of them 17, one of them is maybe 18. I don't know their age, but in the moment, in that moment, I'm looking forward. There's a moment where I don't know when I turn around what the fuck I'm going to see. Yeah.

And those kids could have broken their necks. They could have gotten, you know, a million things because of my selfishness could have happened to those fucking kids. But I turned around. The kids were fucking okay. Thank God. And where it was real high-fiving. Let's do it again.

We will just, it's just more of like in that quiet, in that silence after glass breaks and the radio is playing and the car is upside down, you're living in truth, man. And that's a great fucking tuning fork. It's a great tuning fork. And it's such a great way to put it. Like that tuning fork, that note that you hit at that moment, you have to remember it as long as you can. Like you have to like use that moment as terrifying as it was instead of,

I mean, of course, you don't want to wake everyone and go like, oh, yeah, I did that. But that feeling, that moment, that realization of how just like absolutely corruptible we can be in our decisions. And knowing that, you know, like I think that's like, that's what comedy is to like, you have to know that you're a scumbag. You have to know that you're not perfect. You have to know that you don't have all the answers. You have to know that like you would be a shitty cult leader.

You have to know these things about yourself and like be able to go like, no, I get it. I suck too. Like I suck. I do. Like I suck too, but I, because I know that I try not to suck. Just get it out there is the main thing. Yeah, like that's the, I think that moment that you're describing is just like, so important to like harness, you know, we'll see in that moment.

A cult leader would have turned around and looked at the living people in the backseat and said, see, God saved us. We surely should have died. See what I just showed you. Yeah. I showed you the truth. Do you see what I've taught you? Yeah.

That's like, and that, that, that is the problem is because our fucking leaders, You didn't commodify it. They're, they're slamming their fucking, they're driving. We're in the backseat of a fucking bus being driven by very fallible, very fallible greedy people and they're crashing the bus. And when they crash the bus instead of turning around and being like, guys, I'm not that great at driving this fucking bus. They're saying, I'm the best bus driver that ever fucking lived.

Yeah. And people are hearing that. I mean, like, I guess they're good at driving the fucking bus. They've got a plan. This is the problem. It's like, we, and, and yeah, and they'll, yes. And they'll, and they'll, if, and another, another version of that will be them going to like, if, if you have the nerve to like go like, what the fuck did, what just happened?

I can't believe this. It's just, you know, their version of the, their version of reality be like, well, nobody but a gun to your head, motherfucker, you got into the car with me. Yeah. This is why you decided to go to the party. You should have known. I was going to wreck. You should have known somehow.

Look at me. Do I look like I can fucking drive? Do I look like a safe person to you? This is your fault, dumbass. Yeah. And where it gets really depressingly sad is that the mentality of a victim. I've just been listening to this fucking great book called hallelujah anyway by Annie Lamont.

God damn, it's good. And it is this, this like concise. Breakdown of what it's like to grow up in a dysfunctional toxic family for a kid. And what it's like is you've got a fucking alcoholic parent or whatever. You got a crazy parent, right? And it's easier for a kid with a crazy parent to believe they're the ones causing the problems because then they can imagine that they're still in control than it is to like recognize that the fucking crazy parent is crazy because they're the ones who've been, they're the ones

who taught you how to talk, you know, they're the ones that taught you like what you told you the name of the whole thing in the sky is the sun. And if you suddenly realize like, wait a minute, there's a big distortion in that person's reality field. Then that's very unnerving because it's like, wait, if their reality is distorted to the level where they think it makes sense to go withdraw like, you know, $10,000 from the bank account and spend it in Vegas and then come back drunk and punch the fuck out of my aunt in front of my brother or whatever it may be, then what else if they put in me that's distorted

that my reality must be distorted, right? So we're having this like experience where a victim would much rather think they're like a person would rather think they're to blame than to realize like, wait a minute, wait a minute, it isn't my fault. It's the abuser, the fucking oppressor, the whatever, and they know that. People know that shit. That's where it gets really scary because for the goddamn oppressor or whoever who's doing the fucking vile, shitty thing, it's, I mean, look, I don't know.

Let me ask you, I'm sorry if it's like two personal question, but have you ever gotten drunk and done something stupid that you regretted the next day? Yeah, I mean, it's the same thing as like doing something stupid where you're just like uh, you get behind the wheel of a car or you. But personally, have you ever like gotten hammered and then like done some stupid thing where like the next day you wake up, are you a drinker? Yeah, I used to like drink more than I should have, for sure. And I've, and I've just been like, no, that's not a great road to go down.

It's an easy road to go down because it's, it's fun and it's, and it's everybody around you enables it because they're doing it too. But uh, yeah, I mean, like countless times I've woken up going like, what the fuck? Yeah, you know, like, uh, I remember once I like, I mean, this is, I did this to myself, but like I walked out of, I was, I was hammered and I was at a barn party and I walked, I was climbing up this, like through this barn with a friend and, um, we got into a fight with some dude because we're hammered, like onto a fist fight. And then I was like walking out of the barn, um,

like to go outside, like I saw pissed off and like, and I was on the second like the second level of the barn thinking I was on the ground level. And I walked out and I, I fell like an entire story onto a pile of hay, which is like just, and then I got up and I staggered away from it. And the next day, the guy whose farm it was was just like, uh, the only reason that hay is there is because my tractor broke down. Like the guy, the kid's dad is like, so we've, the tractor broke down that day. And like I had to, I had to like take the bales off so I could get the and unhitch the thing

and then take the tractor away. And I was just like, cool. I got into like a stupid fist fight with some dude, like just like was punching some guy and then walked out all pissed off and, uh, what, like just like basically like killed myself. You know, so it's a combination of like, did something stupid and then did something even stupid to myself. Right. And it happened because you were fucking hammered.

Yeah. Right. And you were just being a dummy. You're right. You, you got drunk and you were being a dummy and that's why it happened. And for some reason, some people when that the exact thing happens to them, they think to themselves, that motherfucker in the fucking that I got in a fight with, it's his fucking fault. That son of a bitch because it's, it's so much easier for like a chronic alcoholic

to imagine that there's a reason that they're acting crazy. But it's way, it's really a lot more. Like if you had to choose between being like full blown insane or doing shit for a reason, you're going to pick doing shit for a reason. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So these fucking shitty parents, man, what's happening is when they fucking smack their

kids around when they're super fucking hammered and the kids like, I'm spilling the milk and build the milk. They're like, yeah, you shouldn't have spilled the fucking milk because you made daddy smack you. Yeah. And because it's, it's harder for them to be like, wait, man, I'm hitting kids. I'm a fuck. I'm fucked.

It's the whole like that. Look what you made me do to you. Yeah. It's that whole kind of like psychology of this like suit you made me do now. Yeah, dude. Like that movie chopper that Australian movie about the guy, the, the biker from Australia that's just like a national hero. But in the movie, there's like a brutal scene like that where he's like beating his wife,

his girlfriend and like punches her mother. And then the first thing comes up his mouth is like, see what you made me do to you. Yeah. And it's just like such a chilling moment. You're just like, oh my god. Fucking chilling. And then when you, then when you like, you know, one of the things Carl Jung says that's really creepy is the shadow, the collective shadow of a society gets projected into their

government. And when you realize that every single fucking war the United States has been involved in follows a very similar pattern, which is that the United States has been at war for 93% of its history, man. And every time we go to fucking war for, we're always like, see what you did. Yeah. See what you did to us. See what you made us do.

You made us fucking launch fucking missiles against you and drop bombs on you and kill all your, all these fucking civilians. Don't just see what you did. Yeah. And the people in the country are like, dude, I sell fucking mats. I'm a mat salesman. Yeah.

I'm a mat salesman and I watch my fucking kid get exploded by a fucking bomb dropped out of a goddamn remote controlled fucking spaceship thing. I didn't do shit, man. And that's that, I think is like the, in the same way that a fucking drunk has to come to Jesus, so to speak and be like, I've got a fucking problem. I'm fucking hooked on booze. Yeah. The United States can't seem to realize, uh, I think maybe I've got a little bit of a war

addiction going on here. Yeah. And it's just like if you, and you know, it's, it's like, it's the, it's the migrant crisis. It's just like those same people who are just like, I like last year, I was just like hanging out with my family. Now I'm like trying to get a, get a, I'm just, I'm trying to get the fuck out of this place. It's been reduced to rubble, like literally been really reduced to rubble. There's nothing, there's no, like when people can't, when, when, when your electricity goes

off in North America and like a major city and you have like a fairly decent lifestyle, your electricity goes off, your water doesn't work. How fast do we fucking go to our fucking phones and go call up whoever and go like, my fucking water's been out for three hours. Yeah, pissed. It's like, we can't take a shower before work. The world's like, the world is ended. And the electricity is out for like two days.

It's like, what the fuck? It's unsustainable in our minds. Yes. We lose our shit. Someone's got to pay for this. This is insane. And you like, when it becomes protracted and it's like six months of that shit, a year of that shit, you're shitting in rubble, literally shitting in rubble.

You're drinking fucking disgusting water. I think I want to get out of here. What you do is to, because suddenly there's like, this is like, well, you're leaving, you're leaving your blades. Why are you coming over here for it? So it's like, well, I'm a human being and I don't really see myself as lesser than you. So I'm just trying to, I'm trying to ask you if I can crash at your house for a while. Yeah.

I start a new life because you kind of help burn my fucking house down. You have to, because you don't want to deal with it. It's like the alcoholics way or whatever. Like just perfectly what you're saying is just like, it's their fault. Well, there's, you know what, you know what's going on? Some of the people, some of the people among you are, don't have good feelings toward me. So none of you can come in. That's right.

One of you might be a terrorist. It's like, cool. Really? You know, one of you might be angry because we've been dropping bombs on your fucking country, which is why you're coming. One of you might be angry or crazy because we don't have any angry or crazy people here. Yeah, dude. And so now when you, when you slam into that wall, you know, because you're,

it's really frustrating because it's like, fuck man, like I honest to Christ, like, I think if you could, and if I could, like, we would like try to fix the problem. But, but honest to God, man, imagine right now if like all of a sudden the walls talk about like a great prank show, two fucking assholes yapping about the immigration crisis, right? Get, get like put into a universe. Let's put two assholes in a warring universe and like, and get them talking about how we got to do some about immigration. And then the walls drop, some kind of reptilian being in a robe comes out,

gives us the crystal of power and is like, there you go. Yeah, fix it. Fix it. What? What are you gonna, what the fuck are you gonna do? Wait, I'm in my toga. I'm just like, wait a minute. I'm just, I'm here to judge people.

I don't know how to actualize anything. Dude, I want to play music on my modular synths. I don't want to solve the fucking immigration crisis, right? I got to check my IG hits, dude. Are you kidding me? Yeah, yeah, right there, man. That's where we fucking slam into the goddamn fucking wall, right fucking there. And it's like, what the fuck do we do?

I mean, really, what the, there's the, we got a certain amount of stuff. And most of the stuff is in the hands of a very small amount of fucking people. And those people, they don't want to give it away. And taking it from them seems pretty fucking unethical. So if the, if the concept is that like they've earned it or that stealing is bad or that, and now we've got people who really legitimately want to destroy the United States, but then mixed among them are people who have children, who desperately need a fucking bowl of soup and a place to sleep.

And then in the fucking people who are pissed at us, cause we've been dropping bombs at them. Know that there are people over here who want to give kids bowls of soup. So they know like shit, man, we can use that to get shit in there to get revenge. Cause these motherfuckers blew up my grandmother when I was trying to sell mats. And now it's like this super complex, crazy fucking problem. And what's the answer? Take out your phone and fucking film it and go to bed,

take some sleeping pills and forget it, I guess. I think it's like, I think we just become like retreating warriors. Like we just retreat, we like everything around us now allows us to like act like we're doing something, but we actually get to retreat. Right? So it's just kind of like, I'm showing up for war. Kind of, I'm just like on my phone tweeting this thing cause it's wrong. This is like, I'm a warrior. Not really though, cause I'm just like I get to retreat at the microphone.

I'm not gonna. What do we do? I don't want to get my hands dirty. How do we not retreat? Like there's gotta be like, I love thinking about like not like bullshit. I mean, I think, I think like part of, yeah, it's so frustrating because I think that it's, I, villainizing people for showing up on mass to like to, to, um, to say this is wrong or to, to, to, to, to vocalize their, their displeasure with what

the government's doing, that's becoming villainized. You know, so like any form of like direct action is becoming villainized. And that's the dangerous thing. Like don't fall into that trap. Like don't think that, and sometimes it's people you don't agree with, but like, it's better for people to show up and say something than be scolded into retreat and be the lesson that's learned universally. This is like, don't show up.

Don't say anything. Right. Right. We're going to label you with this or that if you do. And the building blocks have started for that. Like people are, you know, people, the fact that people, the fact that we call each other names because people show up to, to, to be angry about something is pretty disgusting. You know, it's just like, uh, and it's being fostered and it's being,

it's being regionalized like shitty sports teams. So now politics is just like, it's the Cougars versus the, you know, the, the, the mountain, whatever the hell, my shitty sports, my shitty, my shitty sports teams. Cougars versus the Archons. The Archons of France. They're marsupials versus the mammals. Anyways. Yeah.

Uh, but yeah, you know what I mean? So it's just like, holy shit, this isn't sports, dude. It's like, you can't just, that's the thing. That's the thing about like just even like political jerseys. They don't fit well on me. No. Political jerseys just do not fit well. I cannot put on a single team's jersey and go like, ah, perfect in all ways.

Never taking this off. Not even going to take it off to wash it. Just going to wear it for a, yeah. I'm going to be this fucking thing forever. And that's the other problem is like when you do take a strong stance on any issue, you, people will like be like, man, you send them back then, right? And, and, and, and it's like, and the, and the problem is, is like, well, fuck, you know, you're right.

I did say that and I was fucking wrong. I was wrong. And dude, I've, I've, the thing you're talking about is like, sometimes man, I'll look at, I'll look at people's like tweets and they're pissed off about this or that. And they've tweeted like a big fat fucking tweet of like rage and I'll be like, God damn it. Like whatever.

Like you don't mean that or I don't know. And, and I've caught myself doing that and it's so hypocritical because I will tell you a tweet that I'm deeply embarrassed and ashamed of. And I tweeted a long time ago and I look back at that tweet and I, and I really was like, I was really fucking upset, man. And, and it was, I think it was during one of our mini wars. No, it was like Israel was attacking Palestine. And I tweeted.

It's so fucking sanctimonious, dude. I tweeted, I'm against anyone. It's something like I'm against anyone who kills kids. Oh, just nauseatingly like obvious and, and nauseatingly pious and just not like, yeah, really? Wow, you're unique, huh? Holy shit. That's a, that's a fucking unique position.

Duncan, hold on. Let me get this straight. You don't like it when people kill kids. I want to like really like talk to you about that. I'm sure you want to go on the record saying fire is hot. Yeah, exactly. Right. Exactly.

But I fucking, But yeah, I get it though. I was upset. I didn't want the fucking kids to get killed in that moment. But also on top of that, and this is the, this is to me where it's like, I shouldn't be shaming myself because I think ultimately if you are doing anything that is even like 10% towards bringing to reducing suffering on planet earth, then that is better than nothing.

Even if 90 fucking percent of the time after you do the thing, you're going back to look at how many retweets you got, how many faves you got, how many whatever. It's still good. I just think that like the, that we all gotta realize this is a brand new technology. And if we can all tune ourselves in a way that we can start using it so that when we like do come out and say something, it's more effective at reducing suffering than increasing panic and fear.

Yeah. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So it's like, it's like, yeah, it's, we like, we teach ourselves lessons about like, we got to, you know, again, if it's like immediately, if it's self-gravity, we're so horrible. If it's like self gratifying and it has something to do with us, it's like,

people will teach themselves a little bit helps if it comes to going to the gym to get that perfect six-pack ad. Yeah. Right. So it's just like, just do it. Just chip away at it, dude. Just do it. You can get there.

You can get to that six-pack app and people are like, you know what, that's a great way to look at it. And but they cannot use that same, they can't use that same logic, that same critical thinking and apply it to other things. Just chip, like help give the world some fucking six-pack apps. They just chip away at things. And like, you know, I mean, everybody has their own version of six-pack apps, I guess, but fuck it.

Just chip away at it. I mean, I honestly think that, I honestly think that like people who want to do heinous things that actually don't have the betterment of society or, you know, just like the world. I, I, those, it goes back to those are the moments that I think become exactly what we were talking about in terms of like a natural disaster happening and people just coming together and going like, no, that's that, that's, we got, we were better than this. Yeah. And we have to bank on that in terms of human nature because you can't teach that.

You can't, you can't enforce it. You can't, I mean, you can instill it through like trying to be, have your better angels come forward and things like that. But I mean, like ultimately you can't just like staple that on somebody's chest. And I'm just like, and now you're going to do the right thing. It's just like, I think that, I think that, yeah, everybody's, even the people with darker points of view, after a while, when you see that that's one of the alternatives, people are just going to be like, that just does not, that's not going to work, dude.

And I also see that working against me one day. Like, you know, if there's ever a good time to be selfish, it's when you put yourself in other people's shoes and go like, I don't want that to happen to me. You know, like, if you're going to be selfish about something, use it that way. Like that is not brilliant. Oh, what I want for myself. I wouldn't want that ever. Brilliant.

Use your selfishness. Yeah. Use it as a tool. Yeah, use it as a tool. Well, you're like, it's like some kind of new selfishness judo. Like you can like use it. Fuck, dude, there's the next book. It's like using your selfishness to bring world peace.

Yeah. Give the world some six pack abs, new selfishness. Fuck it. Just get there. Mr. Beckles, where can people find you online? Well, this is what I'm actually here for. Fuck the world. I'm at TV Carnage.

Those are my those are my my handles on the Internet, on the on the Twitter and on the Instagram. Where can we watch your show? It is on Adult Swim on Sunday nights at midnight. And it's something that I'm very happy and proud that we got to make. It's I think it's I think it's an important piece. It's fucking awesome, man. It's awesome.

Good job. It's hilarious. It's it's it's artistic. I want to thank everybody who wrote on the show. And of course, Eric and like it's it's great. There's like there's I'm like couldn't be happier. And it's and and all through through its absurdity and its insanity and its and whatever points it's trying to make it.

Also, it also gives me hope that that can be created and put out there, you know. Yeah, yeah. It's amazing. It's incredible to watch TV these days and particularly shows like yours and just be like, whoa, they are there. They're like, well, it's Adult Swims. Yeah, it helps. But still, it's like, holy fucking shit, man.

They're letting this stuff out. Yeah, it's a great sign. Yeah, it is. It is a good sign. It's just like it is. We're like a lot of the shows on Adult Swim, you know, particularly there, they really are, I think, kind of marching up the hill ahead of a lot of there's a lot of people who want to do the same sort of thing and and and other networks want to enable them to do it.

So I'm I'm happy. Yeah, man, I'm glad that you're on there. And thanks so much, man. Just like it sounds cheesy, but thanks for making us laugh. I hope so. We really got we got in there. I don't mean in the podcast. Oh, yeah.

I mean, in the world. Yeah, fucking art you're putting out in the world. Thank you. It's beautiful. I really appreciate it. Thank you very much. Thank you so much, man. Howdy, Krishna.

That was Derek Beckles, everybody. Check out his show, mostly from Millennials. All the links you need to get to Derek will be at DunkinTrustle.com. Much thanks to Squarespace.com for sponsoring this episode and much thanks to Stamps.com for sponsoring this episode. If you like the DTFH, consider subscribing. Many people have reported that the moment they subscribe to the DTFH, they find themselves in a different version of the United States

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