Duncan Trussell Family Hour - 307: Paul Selig

Episode Date: October 3, 2018

Paul Selig, channeler & writer, joins the DTFH to discuss the after-effects of psychedelic journeys (expanded consciousness, hiding in your room), the limits of our vibratory accord, and psychic infec...tions. Check out Paul's website: [PaulSelig.com](https://paulselig.com/) This episode is brought to you by [Charlotte's Web CBD Oil](https://www.cwhemp.com/) (use offer code DUNCAN for 10% off your order) and [RX Bar](https://www.rxbar.com/) (use DUNCAN at checkout for a 25% discount).

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Ghost Towns, Dirty Angel, out now. Dirty little angel. You can get Dirty Angel anywhere you get your music. Ghost Towns, Dirty Angel, out now. New album and tour date coming this summer. Greetings to you, oh beautiful bumblebee skinned dragons of light. My friend was telling me this crazy story.
Starting point is 00:00:23 He said he was walking late at night in downtown LA and he ended up walking next to a man with severe burns all over his body. And he asked the man, what happened to you? And the man said, well, you know, I was practicing radical inclusivity and I made friends with a pyromaniac. My friend, he asked him,
Starting point is 00:00:50 well, did you figure out how to deal with that? Like how does radical inclusivity work in a world where there are people who just love setting shit on fire? The stranger stopped and smiled. He said, you know, I used to be a lot like you. I was worried because I recognized that with the growing interconnectivity happening
Starting point is 00:01:17 all over the planet, the technologically enhanced hyperconnectivity that we are all experiencing that our ideas of inclusivity and embrace opening our arms to all points of view could actually be exploited by others. That the concept that we should be completely open-minded when it comes to all ways of life,
Starting point is 00:01:48 including the ways of the pyromaniac could get us in a lot of trouble at some point, especially if people began to exploit that vulnerability. But what I realized was the solution to the entire problem. I actually discovered a way that we can coexist with pyromaniacs and my friend looked him in the eye and said, how, what is that way? Tell me, the stranger smiled.
Starting point is 00:02:20 But before he could reply, he spontaneously combusted right in front of my friend. Now I've heard about spontaneous combustion since I was a little kid. There was a small period in my life where I was actually terrified of spontaneously combusting. If you've never heard of this phenomenon before, there was this idea, I think it's kind of faded away
Starting point is 00:02:39 now that we have cell phones and everyone's filming themselves 24 seven. But there was an idea that you could just maybe have the wrong meal, maybe a bowl of baked beans and some honeyed bread and jam and then sip some like rare form of vodka, sit down in your recliner with a good book and then poof, you would essentially do the same thing
Starting point is 00:03:05 that happens with cell phones. You would just explode into flames. And they would find people in recliners with just a pile of ash and some boots or slippers. And that's it, there's pictures of this. And so people thought, yeah, your nervous system sometimes just fucks up and you can just spontaneously combust. That was a phenomenon that one time people thought was real.
Starting point is 00:03:32 But ever since I talked to my friend, it really has got me thinking about this idea of radical inclusivity, of like opening our arms, of making our membranes more permeable to all points of view of the idea that, jeez, we live in this super hyperconnected world and there are people in this hyperconnected world who really have some pretty violent ideologies
Starting point is 00:04:01 and who like accidentally or not so accidentally because of their beliefs, they end up setting lots of people on fire. I was going through some old journals that I was keeping when I was in the second grade and I actually found something in them that maybe would help answer this difficult question. I'm just gonna read a little bit from this journal.
Starting point is 00:04:26 And, you know, I was in the second grade, so don't judge me on the writing style. We have no reason to take this threat lightly. Everywhere in the West, there are subversive minorities who sheltered by our humanitarianism and our sense of justice hold the incendiary torches ready with nothing to stop the spread of their ideas except the critical reason of a single,
Starting point is 00:04:49 fairly intelligent, mentally stable stratum of the population. One should not, however, overestimate the thickness of this stratum. It varies from country to country in accordance with national temperament. Also, it is regionally dependent on public education and is subject to the influence
Starting point is 00:05:06 of acutely disturbing factors of a political and economic nature. Taking plebiscites as a criterion, one could, on an optimistic estimate, put its upper limit at about 40% of the electorate. A rather more pessimistic view would not be unjustified either since the gift of reason and critical reflection
Starting point is 00:05:23 is not one of man's outstanding peculiarities. And even where it exists, it proves to be wavering and inconstant. The more so as a rule, the bigger the political groups are. The mass crushes out the insight and reflection that are still possible with the individual and this necessarily leads to doctrinaire
Starting point is 00:05:42 and authoritarian tyranny if ever the constitutional state should succumb to a fit of weakness. So I think somewhere within there we can find if nothing else the sort of low level articulation of a big problem that we're facing right now and that problem, when I wrote that in the second grade, there wasn't even the internet.
Starting point is 00:06:04 So this problem is being magnified to a great degree. And now in my older years, and when I'm not still in the playground with my hands in the sand, writing in a journal when I can, I think I have truly come up with the answer to how to deal with this. How do we maintain the humanitarian ideals of inclusivity
Starting point is 00:06:30 while still protecting ourselves from ideologies that are innately destructive? And the way to do this is quite simple. All we have to do is... ... Holy shit, I just spontaneously combust it. That was crazy. It's not as bad as I thought it would be my whole life.
Starting point is 00:07:02 I've been terrified of spontaneously combusting and then it happens and it's amazing. It's actually pretty cool. It's like getting massaged from on the inside by fire, by tiny little fiery hands. Huh, interesting. Wow, all that time I was secretly terrified of bursting into flames and as it turns out,
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Starting point is 00:16:23 please welcome to the Dunkin' Trussell family, our podcast, Paul Selig. Yodoo Jeologique Welcome, welcome on you That you are with us Shake it, you're going to be blue Welcome to you It's the Dunkin' Trussell video
Starting point is 00:16:57 Paul, welcome back to the DTFF It's great to see you again You look great, the last time I saw you, you had a cold I did have a cold, yeah And you have recovered fully in a few years I recovered very well, thank you It must be nice to travel down here from New York to you I love it, yeah, that's where I live
Starting point is 00:17:15 But I travel a lot and then this is a great place to be And you're going up to Monterey to do a retreat I'm doing a retreat at Isilomar, yeah How often do you find yourself traveling? About three weekends a month, you know It's about it, sometimes I'll stay on the road for a bit Sometimes I won't, but I enjoy it and I enjoy the work So, you know, it's an opportunity for me to be in the world
Starting point is 00:17:39 Otherwise I'm probably going to just hide in my apartment Right, well that's a lot of us are doing that right now I was sitting on my porch just looking out And because you can see all these yards And they're all just empty, it's a beautiful day I have just ventured out for the first time And maybe like a day and a half to really get some sun Because it's so easy to stay inside
Starting point is 00:18:02 But I was looking out just thinking, my god, we've all Retreated into our homes Why, what do you think that is? I don't know, I mean, I've always been like that truthfully So, you know, when I'm not traveling I'm happy to hibernate, I have a dog, I have a fireplace I live in New York, it's very loud, there's a lot of people And so I venture out, I have my experience of the real world
Starting point is 00:18:25 And then I retreat, you know, as quickly as possible Do you think that your line of work and your ability And your connection with this transcendent force Is disrupting your life here? Do you ever feel like it's hard to connect to this place? No, I mean, not anymore so than it ever was You know, I mean, I think I'm one of those people That operated well in the world, you know, I had a life
Starting point is 00:18:51 I was a college teacher, you know I had things that I did that I love But I'm highly empathic and that's a challenge sometimes So when I'm being hit by a lot of stuff I'm aware of it, but the work that I do as a channel Is an intrusive, you know, when I'm, my guides I always say, you know, they're not going to talk to me Unless I ask a question, I mean, if I say
Starting point is 00:19:13 You know, if I want to walk into traffic, I can do it That's up to me If I say this is a good time to cross the street They may say not wise, you know And counsel at that level, but no You know, I'm not bombarded by things from the other worlds Oh, right Well, it's, so, you know, what is it
Starting point is 00:19:31 What's that quote people say all the time? The mad man drowns in the waters That the mystic swims within Yeah And so what I've noticed happening to some of my friends And stories is that people will drink ayahuasca People will have some big psychedelic moment Where they go into the other realms
Starting point is 00:19:59 Where they see it for real Or they are as real as they can believe it's real And then they get back here And they don't want to connect anymore to this place They withdraw Because they can't deal with investing themselves here In this particular zone of the universe When they know there's this
Starting point is 00:20:19 But you're able to, this bifurcation of the It's normal for me now So that's sort of how I live, you know And when I first started opening up When I was in my late 20s, early 30s I was surprised by it all And I had a couple of big peak experiences That they weren't induced by ayahuasca or anything else
Starting point is 00:20:40 I mean, they really just sort of happened And they were large enough for me That they gave me a marker for something that exists In a way of being in the world that could be experienced But it was always about a way of being in the world And what my guides bring through is about being in the world And being in the body And having this experience as your operative
Starting point is 00:21:01 It's not about floating off someplace I mean, I've done anything a human being can do To try to check out, you know Over the course of my life And that doesn't work You know, it really is about sort of I think at this point Sort of learning how to maintain a sense of connection
Starting point is 00:21:20 You know, in the face of a lot of stuff That doesn't seem to make much sense But I see that too I see these people that have these really large experiences And they don't really know how to integrate them You know, so you just want to go back to the big experience And I don't know I think the experiences we get
Starting point is 00:21:36 For me, they were enough And the ones that I had were enough To show me that there was a reality That could be experienced and known And that kept me going more than anything else It kept me moving forward Oh, sure, right What a relief, I suppose
Starting point is 00:21:51 Because suddenly you do see that this Thing you've been hearing about Or maybe, you know, depicted in movies Oh, no, actually There is a lot more going on here Than what you think If what you think is going on here Is based on mainstream media
Starting point is 00:22:11 And what they teach you in public schools And, man, for me That is, you know, just sweet water From the fountain of youth But then, another part of me Starts getting really curious And interested in why This other place is not acknowledged here
Starting point is 00:22:31 Why is it so Like destroyed by skeptics And scientists And just the general concept is like Oh, great, you're going to talk about aliens now Oh, spirits, really? No, it's all matter And so then I start getting conspiratorial
Starting point is 00:22:48 And think, there is an actual Active sort of For maybe it's a subconscious intent But there does seem to be a rather Active pressure against Understanding that there's something bigger In here Do you ever drop that?
Starting point is 00:23:06 Yeah, but I have my own version of it Which is my own belief That I can kick into And this is how I came to this whole thing With this real investment and separation And feeling myself as being extremely separate From whatever you might call God Or other people or whatever
Starting point is 00:23:23 And what happens, I think, for some of us Is we sort of fall through that trapdoor Into this other kind of experience But my personality self Which my guides would call the small self Still has a great investment in that stuff In separation So once I get the understanding
Starting point is 00:23:42 That separation is the big lie That's the big lie And that everything that wants to counter that Is everything that wants to maintain a status quo In my guide say, the small self Is always perpetuating the known Or what it has believed to be true Because it can't conceive of anything beyond it
Starting point is 00:24:02 And what they're teaching now Which is really mind blowing Is they're calling it beyond the known And it's really what happens when you stop investing In the collective agreement And they do this energetically So that you're actually lifting to a place Of vibration or consciousness
Starting point is 00:24:19 That's operating beyond the rules Or the things that we've been taught to believe were true But do I think that there's a conspiracy per se? You know, I kind of think the challenge with that Is if I want to go there And I can go there I end up aligning to the level of consciousness That creates the conspiracy
Starting point is 00:24:38 I end up lowering the vibration And you really can't transform anything That you're in energetic accord to You have to go above it To have the higher experience And then lift it to you Which is a reconception And that's sort of what I understand is alchemy
Starting point is 00:24:57 And the realization of the divine That must exist in all things Because whatever you want to call God Or the universe or spirit Must exist in everything Including those things that I would call separate And the moment I do that I lift it
Starting point is 00:25:14 I mean the guy would say You know, whatever you dam dams you write back You know, whatever your bless blesses you So I can go there if I want to But I choose not to Wow, cool I love it I'm reading a great book right now
Starting point is 00:25:28 By Jaron Lanier Who coined the term virtual reality He's just a super genius You know, just super genius He's when he's like ten He's cutting glass for telescopes And that kind of mind But he was talking about how
Starting point is 00:25:42 Virtual reality If there was time travel And someone from 20 years in the future Brought VR back And we could experience that technology It would be indistinguishable From where we're at right now We wouldn't be able to tell the difference
Starting point is 00:25:57 Between the VR world Depending on whatever they'd programmed for it But he was saying if we went back in time And showed virtual reality to someone Ten years ago that we have now They would feel like it was pretty indistinguishable From reality Because their experience was only
Starting point is 00:26:15 They'd only experienced the technology up to that point So his point is You know, we can't see past where we're at right now When it comes to VR Because this is what we're used to It just reminds me what you're saying Is like to really understand This level of consciousness
Starting point is 00:26:32 Or whatever What would your guides call this part of the universe? Well, they talk about collective agreement So, I mean, this level of vibrate This level of vibratory accord Which is sort of the agreed upon reality That we're all operating in So we all know what a sky is
Starting point is 00:26:49 And what an ocean is, you know And we've been taught the names for everything that exists So what we do when we walk down the street Is we're actually sort of, you know Interpreting the data of history That's a chair, that's a post office box That's the sky So it's not to say that those things don't exist
Starting point is 00:27:09 They all do exist But actually they can all be sort of Re-comprehended, re-understood What they call a higher octave They use musical terms You know, they say this is one octave And you get to lift to the next one They say any song can be played in multiple octaves
Starting point is 00:27:26 Into infinity So you can lift to the next level And then you sort of begin to have that experience Of the ocean and the sky Which doesn't necessarily conform To what they would say is the data of history What things, what we've been taught That things should mean
Starting point is 00:27:41 Because that's what they've always meant It sounds like they look at this Level of reality, this agreement This level of consensus reality As like a blindfold almost It's like we've been, it's obscuring Yeah, it is I mean I don't know if they call it a blindfold
Starting point is 00:28:04 But it's what we've been taught to expect And we're all, I mean I know What it means to be a man Because I grew up in a male body In a culture that says this is what a man is And we go into sort of a conferring of that I think in every area of our life In this energetic work
Starting point is 00:28:25 Because I remember when we did the live show And just not being prepared For the energy that was blasting out of you When you were doing it And people in the audience were crying Because no one, I don't think anyone was right I don't know, it was pretty shocking So the work you're doing
Starting point is 00:28:46 It's not just data It's a healing work Where you're blasting people I'm sorry to use that term Invigorating people with this energy That's pushing them up an octave Yeah, I mean I don't know that I'm doing it I think it's what happens
Starting point is 00:29:01 The guides that I work with work with They call them claims of truth or attunements That are spoken That actually they say encodes the energetic field To have this lifting And it's experiential I mean I'm not a spiritual teacher I'm not a guru
Starting point is 00:29:16 I have no interest in that stuff at all But I'm a channel And I sit down in the chair and I hear And there's this energy That's very palpable That comes through when I work But the point is not to feel the energy That's broadcasting through Paul
Starting point is 00:29:30 It's attuning to that in yourself So that you can do the lifting And when you do the lifting You get to lift everything that you encounter It's all about co-residence So what happened when we worked You know before an audience is The energy showed up
Starting point is 00:29:46 People did the attunements Everybody sort of got their lifting And then they're going What the hell just happened And the nice thing is Is that they were feeling it You were feeling it And I think what that supports
Starting point is 00:29:57 Is the individual's ability To claim their own knowing And the moment you claim your own knowing You're not deferring to other people Which is super important Super important isn't it? Oh you can get in so much trouble Well this is the
Starting point is 00:30:11 This is what people are saying I'd love to hear your thoughts on this People are saying that One of the great problems With social media right now Is that it's Attuning people To a variety
Starting point is 00:30:27 Of flavors Of this particular reality that we're in From the most paranoid To insanely naive To some tricky thing put out In a situation to look like a thing That it isn't But it's all these tuning forks
Starting point is 00:30:42 And so people are going on Twitter And they're getting psychic infections From concepts, ideas That point to a reality That isn't even here It's just something that someone made up So yeah it sounds like If we can figure out
Starting point is 00:31:02 Who we are Truly Then we might not be so prone to being lost Or dragged about by ideas That we're seeing in the mainstream media I don't know that we can figure it out I think that we can realize it And I think figuring out is still
Starting point is 00:31:18 Sort of a process of the personality I want to get all the pieces And I want to make sense of them And then I'm going to know who I am And then how to operate And I'll know what's true and what's not true Because I figured it out And what the guide says
Starting point is 00:31:31 You know what's true is always true And has always been true And will always be true And so to align to a level of truth Then you get to move into realization Because to know something To truly know it is to realize it And that's then to be in your own knowing
Starting point is 00:31:47 And once you're in your own knowing You're not in energetic accord With the bullshit You see what I mean? So it sort of doesn't resonate At that level It's challenging for me Because I still have an investment
Starting point is 00:32:01 In what I think should be there And how people should see me And you know how I should be understood And that's again all just a small self The true self that I am Couldn't care less What anybody thinks Do you understand?
Starting point is 00:32:13 Yeah So I'm probably not answering your question It was actually a good one Because I'm even forgetting how you said it If you want to say it again I can go back in Well it's the question The question is
Starting point is 00:32:25 It's more of an observation That the importance Of understanding attunement Well it's everything You see Because attunement is your energetic alignment So you know In the new age
Starting point is 00:32:39 You hear people say You know I create my own reality You know And I think that's a little narcissistic sometimes You know Like in the guides would say You know you didn't create the war In the Middle East
Starting point is 00:32:50 But you're in energetic accord with it Which means you're attuned to it Because everything that you see And I see and anybody sees We're in energetic accord with Because it couldn't exist without us And this is this whole idea of You know whatever we're witnessing
Starting point is 00:33:07 We're in vibrational accord too And actually sort of supporting The manifestation of You know which goes to this idea of Well here was the example Because they dictated This was in one of their books You know in the guides books
Starting point is 00:33:20 And I said I mean does that mean If there's a book on a table in Paris I'm in accord with the book on the table in Paris And they said yes The moment you know That there's a book on the table in Paris Yes
Starting point is 00:33:31 Because your consciousness is informing the book Wow And how you hold anything in consciousness Supports your relationship to it And the collective is doing this So the guides say You know as long as you are in agreement to war Because you expect it
Starting point is 00:33:47 Because you've always have it You're going to keep claiming it Right And you've got to lift to a level of consciousness Where that is not present In order to be able to claim another reality Got it Beautiful
Starting point is 00:33:59 But you know this is not to go back to it It's just Okay An Uber driver told me something That I think about to this day He was talking about weapons manufacturers And he said If you're making umbrellas
Starting point is 00:34:12 You need it to rain You got it And so Right Now this is where It gets really creepy to me Which is that There are a group of people attempting to attune all of us
Starting point is 00:34:25 To a paradigm where war is acceptable Yes Yeah And it's fear You know the guides say again and again and again The action of fear is to claim more fear And if you look at the last choice you made in your life Because you were afraid
Starting point is 00:34:42 See what it got you And more than likely you'll see you got more fear So every choice made in fear perpetuates That vibratory accord And every choice you're making in love I would suggest Or without fear Of actually supporting a whole other trajectory
Starting point is 00:34:58 Right So you know the idea That we're claiming these things You see I mean I was in New York during 9-11 You know I lived downtown You know and then in the months and months that followed There were you know red alerts and yellow alerts And orange alerts
Starting point is 00:35:13 And for the first five months everybody was so frightened Sure And then we got sick of these damn alerts And people just sort of get in the subway again You know and live their lives and the alerts went away We stopped going into agreement That we should be scared all the time And if we're going to be scared all the time
Starting point is 00:35:29 We're very easy to control And I do believe that So the idea is to sort of realize The aspect of our self or the true self What the guides would say That is operating beyond fear And move into that level of vibrational accord Right
Starting point is 00:35:45 Wow God it's so cool It's just such a great paradigm I want to get back into something I was asking about earlier This okay so this is your The way you're talking about this sort of This universe is that we live in a place That we sort of agreed to be at
Starting point is 00:36:05 With a group of beings or people or things That vibrate at that level But simultaneously to that There is another version of this Another lens Another I don't know God it makes me think like this is all computer code And there's another operating system
Starting point is 00:36:23 We can reprocess the code through That could make this look completely different So how different does this other place get How different does it get from this place Are there palatial heavenly mansions Are there you know forests I don't get that I actually don't get that
Starting point is 00:36:43 I mean I get that what we're doing is We're experiencing what exists But we're experiencing it in a very different way And how we experience it actually transforms The reality of what we're experiencing So everything gets lifted So the idea I think that we're excluding things You see from the divine
Starting point is 00:37:01 From the sort of the tapestry that's life That we're saying well this should be here And it should all look like a celestial heavenly palace Because that's what heaven should look like Is actually deciding what gets excluded Which we're doing again by relying on all that old data Of what's good, what's bad, what's beautiful, what's not So you know in the most recent book
Starting point is 00:37:24 The one they just finished dictating another one You know because the books are all just sort of The recordings, the transcriptions of the dictations They're unedited transcripts of these sessions This I interrupt a lot to say What does it look like, what does it look like What are you really talking about What's our experience of this
Starting point is 00:37:41 And I suspect I mean if I were to try to remember What they said and I may have to bring them through And let them do this at some point Because it's just I tend to not to interpret it terribly terribly well They're saying what you see is what's always been there They're saying but operating at a higher level And your congruence with that is what transforms you Is what transforms you and the landscape and the landscape
Starting point is 00:38:07 They're saying the landscape is lifted They're saying is lifted by your presence by your presence And by the octave that you express in the high note The high note calls all things to it It calls all things to it and lifting and lifting The high note What are some other names for the high note Is this the God Ed?
Starting point is 00:38:29 Yes if you wish to call it This thing yes if you wish to call it that Call it the vibration of truth You may call it love This thing you may call it love if you want to If you want to They're saying but these are other ways Of knowing God
Starting point is 00:38:41 To know God is to know truth is to know truth And to know love and to know love It really has nothing to do with it They're saying with religion it's a state of consciousness A state of consciousness and an awareness of unity With all sorts of things They're saying with all that's always been expressed But not experienced but not experienced
Starting point is 00:38:59 By the personality structure who is an alignment Who is an alignment by its nature By its nature to limitation to limitation Okay okay So this makes beautiful sense to me But I have a sense and many people have a sense That there is an active shift happening That there's some kind of intentionality behind
Starting point is 00:39:25 Perhaps the other beings like your guides To try to up level this place Is that truly happening? Yes I get that you know But I also get this they're saying for me Now that I've got them plugged in They're like saying say this But I know if they want to say it
Starting point is 00:39:40 They're pointing to me So what they've said in their books And they said this in the very first book Which they brought through in 2009 Was the very first one It was like seven of them now But they said that humanity Is a state of reckoning
Starting point is 00:39:55 And a reckoning is a facing of oneself And all of one's creations And everything that's been created in fear And that includes institutions and religions And everything else has got to be reclaimed Or renown or realized and new in a higher way Because everything is going to start falling But basically everything is falling apart
Starting point is 00:40:14 And that's actually part of this process I believe of sort of acclimating to To a higher potential There's no way to get to this higher potential Without some kind of collapse? That I don't know I hear that that's choice You're choosing it right now
Starting point is 00:40:30 I hear you're choosing it right now Your investment In what has been How you've known yourself How you have known yourself As in fact the issue is in fact the issue When you claim something new When you claim something new
Starting point is 00:40:42 And try to hold the old And try to hold the old You move into a junction You move into a juncture A juncture of frustration Of frustration to release the old To release the old is not destroyed Is not to destroy
Starting point is 00:40:53 It's a claim what can come In its place It is to claim what can come In its place Many of you decide to ruin things Many of you decide to ruin things Before you can rebuild Before you can rebuild
Starting point is 00:41:02 It's not because But they're saying But it's not a prerequisite How many beings are there Like your guides out there I have no clue And I've never asked I mean I work with this little posse
Starting point is 00:41:16 And I just know of them as a posse Because they use we It's not like I'm looking around The room at them all the time Many many What they're saying is many many And more than you can even imagine That's pretty true
Starting point is 00:41:28 But there are aspects of each of you Know it or not know it or not That are enlisted Enlisted in this operation So the true self is imbued with you So the true self of each of you Who comes forth with yours Who comes forth to be realized
Starting point is 00:41:42 In this engagement In this engagement Is contributing to the shift It's not all external It's not all external It's quite internal It's quite internal It was done
Starting point is 00:41:51 The realization of the divine That must be inherent That must be inherited All manifestation In all manifestation Is what is being claimed Is what is being claimed God in the tree
Starting point is 00:42:01 God in the tree God in your foot God in your foot God in the one you can stand God in the one you can stand In that situation In that situation That you find abhorrent
Starting point is 00:42:09 That you find abhorrent To lift all things To lift all things to a higher agreement To a higher agreement Is to know and to realize And to realize the divine exists The divine that exists Wherever you are
Starting point is 00:42:21 Wherever you are Period Thank you That's amazing And it brings me to a question I did have for you And the guide Which is
Starting point is 00:42:31 Right now we are seeing A true reckoning happen And a lot of different levels The Supreme Court justice Experiencing the results Of his karma This crucial moment in his life People are so angry with each other
Starting point is 00:42:47 And the guides have mentioned this See God in the abhorrent This I think for me I get to this part And I can intellectually understand But in practice When we run into beings Who have legitimately heard us
Starting point is 00:43:08 When we were kids You know when we were helpless How do we see How to do this How to forgive How to connect At that level When someone's really, really vile
Starting point is 00:43:21 Well they're saying they'd like To take the song Which is just as well I mean because I struggle with it too And I get it And I also get that I'm not doing this For the other person I'm doing this for myself
Starting point is 00:43:31 Because basically By tethering myself Or aligning myself To that other person At that level of judgment Or fear or anger I'm lowering my own vibration That doesn't mean
Starting point is 00:43:44 That I don't get to feel my feelings And move beyond them But it goes to this simple idea Again of what you damn, dams you back You know in one of their books They do this meditation Or they say you know Imagine you're walking into a cave
Starting point is 00:43:59 And in that cave is the one person You never want to see again As long as you live And your job now Is to lead that person out of the cave And you know you're doing that Because basically you've put them there And they've called you
Starting point is 00:44:14 To the darkness that you put them in Do you understand that? So it's not about going out To dinner with them And saying hey it wasn't that great I mean maybe after this lifetime We get to have a big yuck About all the crazy crap we went through
Starting point is 00:44:27 But that's not where I'm at now at all So let me go to the guides with this The idea is simple They're saying the idea is simple Nothing can be outside of God Except that which you place there If you want to do what you may If you want to do it you may
Starting point is 00:44:41 But then you call that to you But then you call that to you That's how you want to operate If that's how you want to operate You may choose it You may choose it Learn those lessons And learn those lessons
Starting point is 00:44:50 You will learn regardless Of what you choose But if you want to learn through fear By a hard teacher It will be a hard teacher period They're saying period There's something that they wrote It was in
Starting point is 00:45:04 I think it's in the book That's just coming out And they said you know Right after They did this odd lecture And they said so what's happening now And this is before a lot of the stuff That we're seeing in the media
Starting point is 00:45:15 Really hit And they said what's happening now Is an excavation They said imagine that everything That was buried in your backyard Is in your backyard You know what you buried Five months ago
Starting point is 00:45:26 And 5,000 years ago Individually and collectively It's all coming up to the surface And it's coming up to the surface To be re-seen Or realized or renown Because it can't be healed When we're sitting on it
Starting point is 00:45:39 And hiding it Do you understand that So then this becomes Then a part of the process Not a comfortable one I don't think But they say imagine Looking at that backyard
Starting point is 00:45:49 With all the potholes And piles of dirt I mean it's an excavation site And that seems to be a little bit Of where we may be In this process now My father just passed away And I don't know what it has to do with that
Starting point is 00:46:02 Or that I have a child On the way or what it is But suddenly I've been having Just photographic memories From my childhood Huge blind spots in my childhood Just missing years Now suddenly
Starting point is 00:46:15 Holy shit man All coming back And a lot of it is really Difficult to look at And man I just don't I don't know that we're ready If people are ready To deal with this kind of excavation
Starting point is 00:46:33 It is pretty intense To see these things And then have to find forgiveness You have to figure out a way I think it's happening anyway Do you know? I think it's happening anyway I mean I think letting go
Starting point is 00:46:49 Of the need to blame Is an important part of it Because I think that that ties us To the problem You know and not to move beyond And that's not to deny That things don't happen And people do awful things
Starting point is 00:47:00 I don't think that that's ever been the teaching But I mean they say That the guides have said You know the one that's doing These things that you would call terrible Is operating in a complete Unawareness of who he or she truly is You know they're operating in fear
Starting point is 00:47:15 And at the cost of their true nature Which the guides would say Is the divine self They say that the divine is present Everybody regardless of what they've done How they think of themselves And whether or not they know Or even agree to it
Starting point is 00:47:28 And when they work with these attunements Which they call claims of truth And you know one of them is I know who I am in truth I know what I am in truth I know how I serve in truth I am free I am free I am free I am free
Starting point is 00:47:42 Now the personality self Can't really claim that My personal self is like Well I'm this old And I look like this And I wish I looked like that And I should have done this And that's at the level of the true self
Starting point is 00:47:52 Or the eternal self Whatever you want to call it That is the aspect of self That does know who he or she or it is So the claim is always true I know who I am I know what I am What means in manifestation
Starting point is 00:48:06 The divine that has come in form As who and what you are And I know how I serve Simply means how I express How you express as that Aspect of the divine That's your expression And you know in truth means
Starting point is 00:48:21 In the field of truth Where the lie When they say in truth the lie Can't be held So you move to that level of agreement And the claim I am free Is basically I am free of the lies Of what I've been taught to believe
Starting point is 00:48:34 That allows me to express this So this is the challenge That's always true I can say to you now I know who you are in truth I know what you are in truth I know how you serve in truth You are free
Starting point is 00:48:48 You are free You are free And at the causal level That's always true Even you say that can't be true My life's a mess And I don't understand I don't know who I am
Starting point is 00:48:57 But you're claiming the true self Now when you do that You're actually aligning The person you're claiming it to To be able to shift to that Level of frequency It's kind of like plugging in numbers On a jukebox
Starting point is 00:49:12 And the song will play You're not changing people You're claiming what's always true The challenge is to do that To the one you can't stand And then the one you think is a villain Or a abhorrent Because it's got to be true
Starting point is 00:49:26 For that person as well Or it's not true for anybody And this idea that some people Are special and nice and good And they get to go to some idea of heaven At the end of life If they've behaved well At the exclusion of all those people
Starting point is 00:49:41 That don't agree with us I mean that's the hypocrisy of religion I mean if God is everything It's got to include everything And even fear And the gods say fear is of God It just refuses to believe that it is And once that wakes up
Starting point is 00:50:01 We're not going to have that issue And we can go to that place By lifting above it To the higher octave See when you're operating at What they call the higher octave By nature of your being Which is the claim I know how I serve
Starting point is 00:50:14 You're lifting into expression What you say Because how could you not It's this old idea that God Or whatever you want to call God Sees God in everything Can't exclude Then you've got a punishing God
Starting point is 00:50:28 Who says this one goes to heaven This one goes to hell And I think we have Carmen We have our choices And the ramifications of our choices That play out And that's a way to learn We can learn through fear
Starting point is 00:50:41 If we want to We've been doing it But what the gods say is You've created the means For your mass destruction In the pretense That it's going to make you safe Which is crazy
Starting point is 00:50:55 If you think about it To build a bigger bomb So you can be more safe Is insane You understand But that's where we've come to So we're really at this place now Of the need for great change
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Starting point is 00:55:26 Now back to Paul Selig This This is to me All this is just You're so good at describing this And always my mind gets blown Hanging out with you But to me
Starting point is 00:55:42 What's really interesting about what you're doing And the Structure of it Is that when you consider The combination of what you're talking about With technology You know because what we're seeing is like oh I get it Like on social media we're just seeing people
Starting point is 00:55:58 Who using your guides Teachings have aligned themselves With fear And so these are the fear tweets On either side right or left Whatever it may be the leftists are You know going to lead a communist uprising You know the conservatives
Starting point is 00:56:14 Have no it's not it's a fucking oligarchy Clearly And all the stuff in between Man the economy is really going to Climb national debt is insane Then like my god the Chinese Have made like a Crazy UFO level thing
Starting point is 00:56:30 And it looks like the Russians They have shit in the floating In orbit right now that like I don't know if you saw the rushing Nesting doll satellite Spits out these three little satellites You know what the other ones are doing up there So what I'm saying is and I'm sorry
Starting point is 00:56:46 To be part of it but I don't feel afraid I'm just giving examples So we have this constant Sort of low level fear drone Bubbling up out of social media So what you're saying to me is a little revolutionary Which is the idea that Should we attune ourselves to this other level
Starting point is 00:57:02 This seeing god and all things Or this like Shift to the New octave that you're describing Or that with social media Yeah now we've got Something crazy because when You know the Buddha achieves enlightenment under the
Starting point is 00:57:18 Bodhi tree and look how long it takes for the Dharma To spread around the planet a long time But what you're talking about We just need a few people to get To the place that you're at right now To achieve this attunement right And then when that hits Technology whoa
Starting point is 00:57:34 It's revolutionary I hope I mean I think it can be if somebody wants to take On you know it's not I'm not the teacher you know I'm a channeler I explain what comes through me But the guides that come through Are the teachers I'm just this guy That's trying to work through it
Starting point is 00:57:50 I want to talk to you about this real quick And Maybe it's a little mundane Compared to the very beautiful Ideas your guides are putting forth But one thing I've noticed Is this separation Between you and the writing
Starting point is 00:58:06 You don't remember some of it You have a kind of Humility when it comes to it And then also you Do say quite often I'm not really A teacher I'm a channeler So I'm really interested in this Do you feel like this is a
Starting point is 00:58:22 Necessary separation to continue Your work like if one Could tangle up the other It's not intentional I mean I'll say that it's not premeditated You know I was you know I was a college Teacher for years and I was a good teacher And I loved doing it and that was a great part
Starting point is 00:58:38 It was the healthiest part of my life I was doing the channeling Stuff and the energy work In a whole very Quiet way for many years I had a group that met in my apartment for 18 years I had a website finally without My name on it or my photograph
Starting point is 00:58:54 Because I didn't want people to know That I was doing this stuff because I was trying To maintain this other life So some of that and then I realized that It was fear and then once I started Getting attention for the books I had to Accept the fact that you know
Starting point is 00:59:10 I was party to this experience And I don't claim The separation I mean it's not I think there's an Emerging that happens When I'm working And that I'm accessing a higher Part of myself but I don't think
Starting point is 00:59:26 That the guides are my higher self That I'm bringing through I think They're working In a somewhat different way I can't explain it all I just know that You know I'm accessing stuff That
Starting point is 00:59:42 I don't think I could know and I don't Think however articulate I may be As a man I'm capable of closing My eyes and dictating You know six or seven books that don't require Any editing which is how these things Have happened you know I mean there's I don't go back and fix anything
Starting point is 00:59:58 So the separation Pieces for me I but I do think And I do think this is important I do Think that what's happening as I do This work is I begin To be more as My true self and That they operate through me
Starting point is 01:00:14 You know in a more of a place Of union so it's not This crazy up And down that it used to be As I get more comfortable here Do you have a Physical side that you feel them on Do you feel them in your body
Starting point is 01:00:30 Or no no I mean there's Phenomena for me I mean When I sometimes When I first started doing this years ago I literally used to feel that somebody had Their lips pressed against my far head And I was feeling the vibration of the words As they and then I would form them
Starting point is 01:00:46 With my lips which is sort of how I got into this whispering and repeating habit Because there was this slight delay As it went from the buzzing Here to the mouth And now Very often before I start To channel before I'm doing a group
Starting point is 01:01:02 Or a dictation for the book and the books Are now done in front of groups so you know There's no separation there I'll feel a lot of pressure At my head at the crown or At the third eye or sometimes I'll just Feel myself enveloped in the energy I mean I can be
Starting point is 01:01:18 Sick I can have I channel The end of the last book I think with You fever you know And they were the guides were fine When I saw you you were sick Is there some correlation between this If you're running this circuitry Through you do you feel like it's
Starting point is 01:01:34 It could make you protein Yeah I think it can and I think Some of that's my self care Which I have to learn and I'm much Better with than I used to be truthfully But I think my nervous system Is what's used so when I'm Channeling a lot
Starting point is 01:01:50 I'm highly raw You know I mean you could drop a Fork in the next room and I jump out of My skin I mean it's just like my nerve And it's like it's like having a sunburn I have friends that call it psychic burn So I don't think this is not I think this is not uncommon
Starting point is 01:02:06 So that's some sensitivity But I think I get a lot of calls because I'm riding on airplanes all the time And you know and I'm schlepping Through different time zones So no I don't think that there's that Is interesting I've been told I haven't seen It that when I'm really channeling
Starting point is 01:02:22 Sometimes and I'm working directly With individuals my eyes turn bright blue I mean I have hazel eyes you know And I think that that's Interesting and it's funny because I'll do a group and I'll say And you know and there's a thing where The guys will just go around them and look
Starting point is 01:02:38 At everybody and attune them you know Individually and people raise Their hands and you have the most beautiful Blue eyes as well I don't have blue eyes And it goes what you know and that's What they've seen so I mean I understand I don't know what it is You know so there's a physical component
Starting point is 01:02:54 To this but and this is true for all of us What they've said is we've been raised To believe that the divine is sort of Up there somewhere in a cloud Maybe and we're stuck here in the mud And the teaching is that God is the mud And God is also the body And the exclusion of the body
Starting point is 01:03:10 From this equation of the divine Is what is precluding us From realizing the divine And the physical reality that we're Living in so that's the claim I know what I am which is informed Which allows me then to know What you are which is the
Starting point is 01:03:26 Realization of the divine expressing As you and the matter itself and vibration Wow why It's so weird why Why can't we acknowledge it It's insane it really is like when I look around everything's Perfect I can see that most
Starting point is 01:03:42 Of the time my God just form itself My God look how incredible it is That we have physics Gravity it's all very beautiful To me but then In darker times As soon as the focus goes From there to me
Starting point is 01:03:58 That's where you're like no What a nightmare creature This is completely a mess Why Why do we do that I hear Training agreement Vibratory accord What you choose to reinforce
Starting point is 01:04:14 What you've been taught That's what we've been taught What we've been confirming I don't think that the way the guides Are bringing through is necessarily a new teaching I mean they say it comes they've been teaching This stuff for thousands of years and That this is the next opportunity
Starting point is 01:04:30 For realization for us you know It's not new stuff so You know I can accept that but I think that the indoctrination Into fear was pretty extraordinary Which is still present You should be afraid you know Is this from your parents is this from
Starting point is 01:04:46 Yeah it was I mean In this lifetime yeah you know I mean I believe That I've had prior lives where I've had some tough lessons in fear too But yeah I mean I was the chubby Kid that got bullied you know So that carries some weight
Starting point is 01:05:02 And you know as I move Beyond that my experience Of myself is very different in the world But those buttons were put there yeah That's it Oh my god it's just It's a it's a brutal Back there is so rough on kids
Starting point is 01:05:18 I think it's because I have a son coming And I'm just thinking like man I want him to be like Loved here and it's It's so brutal like And then when I contemplate my own teachings And the teachings I got And the teachings many of us got When we're born that we were taught
Starting point is 01:05:34 This is not a safe place And that there's no real Security here and that they're always on Depending not everyone but if you were born Into like a poor family Or you were born into alcoholism Trauma man it's a pretty Rocking universe sometimes it feels like
Starting point is 01:05:50 There's no way to truly Get that For lack of a better word Thorn out of our sides We can expand beyond It but the guides Or do you have anything to say about The idea that there's a potential
Starting point is 01:06:08 To shift All of that suffering into something I'm going to ask because I can yes I'm going to say yes if you want to But do you really want It means forgetting who you think you are Who you think you are and who you think you are Is wounded and hurt is wounded and hurt
Starting point is 01:06:24 And suffering and suffering And you look for agreement to that Tell me my life tell me in my life How I can be these things how I will continue To be these things And you perpetuate them Unconsciously unconsciously the true self is you The true self as you who knows
Starting point is 01:06:40 Who he is who knows who he is has never been harmed Has never been harmed knows himself And wholeness knows himself And wholeness and seeks to confirm that And seeks to confirm that We are not dismissing what you feel But what we are saying is It is not who you are
Starting point is 01:06:56 It's how you have known yourself And how you have chosen to have To agree to your life To your life agreement and support Agreement means accord not conscious Choice not conscious choice You are confirming your reality You are confirming your reality
Starting point is 01:07:12 Through the identity you claim I am a wounded man I am a wounded man Supports that reality supports that Reality it's hard to get better It is hard to get better to transform Or to transform creates a long path Creates a long path you may Awaken a moment you may awaken
Starting point is 01:07:28 In a moment your true nature To your true nature but at the cost Of what you have known And that's the great challenge here And that's the great challenge here Are you willing to release The idea of who you are Of who you are it's just an idea
Starting point is 01:07:44 It's just an idea nothing more And nothing more period It's like addiction Or something it feels like They're talking about like there's a sense That we're hooked On fear Because your guides keep saying
Starting point is 01:08:00 You can do this But there's other ways And this feeling of like You've got to give it all up You've got to let it all go It seems like a This is a thing that happens to me Invariably when I take a psychedelic
Starting point is 01:08:16 Depending on how strong the psychedelic is If it completely just blasts my ego And there is no way to hold on To a beautiful transcendent unification Complete this I don't know There's a million different ways to describe this state But if it's If ever I find myself
Starting point is 01:08:32 At the place Where there is a chance to die To let go until just say goodbye To the tiny little corner Of the infinite universe I've claimed as myself I just can't do it It seems like
Starting point is 01:08:48 Like I don't know Once you get to that point That your guides describe it's just a self It feels like well for guides Perhaps for you A world renowned channeler For many of us this concept of laying down our identity Letting go of the past
Starting point is 01:09:04 Truly It's terrifying because it feels like a kind of extinction Well yeah but it can't be done At the level of personality And that's the whole challenge here We're still thinking we can do this through the personality And it's never going to happen there And that's why I think they say it takes a moment
Starting point is 01:09:20 Because it's really Only in a moment that realization occurs You know it's not necessarily And that's not like It's a quick fix It's not a fix at all It's another way of knowing the self Now when I'm channeling
Starting point is 01:09:36 I am operating I'm actually putting What you can call the personality itself In the backseat of the car I'm like giving it a magazine to read And this other thing is happening And as I maintain that I begin to have this other
Starting point is 01:09:52 Experience of knowing In my life You know when I work psychically Which is one of the things I do They call me a medium for the living So I can tune into somebody and You know I've never met It's not in the room it's still got a body
Starting point is 01:10:08 And I can often hear them And feel what it's like to be in their skin And sometimes take on their mannerisms And that's how I do it I just call it stepping in But when I'm working at that level I'm operating in my knowing Do you understand this?
Starting point is 01:10:24 Because it makes no logical sense You can't try to figure out how that's done You know it by doing it Like the guide say you know When you're standing under the shower head You're not trying to feel the water The water is there When you're standing in the wind
Starting point is 01:10:40 You're experiencing the wind That's vibrational accord So I don't think Do I walk around with my complaining personality Self ask my friends I had a friend this morning that says Let's just have a good day Don't complain the answer was yes
Starting point is 01:10:56 Don't complain I like complaining It's again my way of being a curmudgeon In the world But it gets me what it gets me Which isn't necessarily any good Do you understand that? I don't think that the personality is extinguished
Starting point is 01:11:12 They're telling me to say this When I was Maybe 32-33 I was having a really rough time And I was opening up as a channel In those days Significantly and I'm 99.9%
Starting point is 01:11:28 Sure I heard this in channel Because I wrote it down I don't think I read it some place But what I heard was Freedom will come when the throne Relinquishes its king And I was like what the What does that mean Some enigmatic statement
Starting point is 01:11:44 And now I completely get it Which is freedom comes When the one who's sitting in the throne Which in my case is The personality's self Who wants everything his way And the world should treat me as I say I should be treated and this is what should be in my world
Starting point is 01:12:00 That's the small self And the small self dictates A small kingdom So when the small self Steps out of the throne And the true self Which is the divine self The guides have called it at times the Christ itself
Starting point is 01:12:16 And their definition of Christ is a simple one They say it's the aspect of the divine That can be realized in material form Is who and what you are Who anybody is They say in all with humanity It's the seed of the divine that seeks expression So when the true self takes the throne
Starting point is 01:12:32 Then you have the kingdom They say is the awareness of the divine In all things It's already there But it needs to be seen by the one Who operates in vibrational accord to it So I don't get that it's at the Exclusion of the small self
Starting point is 01:12:48 They say the small self Is actually assumed By the true self You know it's like the loving energy Of the But you can call it parent That's a rotten model because most of us Had tough times with our parents
Starting point is 01:13:04 So who wants to use that one But this idea of being Having that level of alignment They even talk about the braiding of the will That the small self's will And the divine will can actually be sort of braided And then the small self's will is sort of assumed In the higher
Starting point is 01:13:22 So that it becomes your expression So we're not always going well Who am I and what level am I operating at I don't know if this is making sense 100% It's beautiful because I love it Because man everyone does kick the shit out Of their small self
Starting point is 01:13:38 And I especially love what you said I love complaining And I have friends who are Like that And they love that aspect of themselves They're like I love being a curmudgeon It's the best That is so perfect
Starting point is 01:13:54 And this self-flagellation we do Is Something I definitely forget all the time It's not as though we have to Throw ourselves into some cosmic Ashtray and become some other thing I love that The self that we are
Starting point is 01:14:10 Gets to experience this embrace Gets filled up so it doesn't have to be So Deflated I guess Are people a little deflated Cut off from the spirit Is that what's happening People have a tourniquet wrapped around them
Starting point is 01:14:26 I think so because I think everything People come to the workshop sometimes I say so I have a great spiritual life But how do I bring this into my business life And the question makes no sense Because it's your life Your spiritual life is your life It's your sex life
Starting point is 01:14:42 It's your financial life You don't segment these parts By having a practice and wearing A bunch of white and meditating Every day Those are things you can do As a household and business You're still responsible for that
Starting point is 01:14:58 Do you understand that and you're operating At a level of vibration that's going to call To you the ramifications Of those choices So the tourniquet I think has I mean the idea of becoming Spiritual as if it's something that one Becomes I don't think one becomes
Starting point is 01:15:14 Spiritual I think it's your innate being That's seeking expression But this idea that this has to happen At the cost of other things That I think happened at the cost Of who you think you are But that's an idea Nothing more than that
Starting point is 01:15:30 I don't know if I'm answering this well But the idea of the tourniquet Because when I first got into this stuff I didn't know what to do with anything I didn't know if I was allowed To have a good time I didn't know what it meant And yes
Starting point is 01:15:46 That's choice too We get choice, we have choice You want to express yourself What's your greatest joy Whatever your expression of your greatest joy Is going to bring joy to others There's no question about that Wow, this is so great
Starting point is 01:16:02 The only thing I take issue With any of the things that you say Is that you say you're not a teacher To me it really makes me scratch My head because I think Well you are teaching You have guides, they're teachers But how are you not a teacher
Starting point is 01:16:18 I'm better, I'm more engaged Than I used to be But I call myself The guy that sits in the chair And when people come to Hear me speak I'll introduce myself and tell my story Enough so that people have a context
Starting point is 01:16:34 For who I am And then I close my eyes And I'll hear one phrase repeated Again and again until I speak it And the moment I speak it I'm operating as a radio And the radio itself Isn't necessarily the one to judge
Starting point is 01:16:50 The broadcast or to decide about it So the teachings that come through me I can then go back and discuss But I'm not necessarily And I say this quite honestly I'm not there yet So I can tell you what I understand They mean
Starting point is 01:17:06 But am I operating without fear No, you know The difference is I know What I'm operating in fear I'm looking to excuse it And I'm not looking for other people To buy into that And support me in my fear
Starting point is 01:17:22 I might be looking for a pat on the back Or a hug, you know But I'm not looking for you to agree With me that the world is a terrible place And we should all be afraid And stockpiling guns in our basement Or there's some terrible thing How close are you to that?
Starting point is 01:17:38 In your personality I grew up in a home like that Preppers? You mean preppers like people Who thought the apocalypse No, no, no, no Just scared The idea that the next thing
Starting point is 01:17:54 That would happen would be terrible No matter what So you're living in a world where you're expecting The other shooter drop all the time And that's lasted I carry that Still if I look at an email and say What's the bad news
Starting point is 01:18:10 Necessarily that it's going to be loving And I have to say And I was thinking about this this morning If I could move to a place Truly move to a place Which I hope And I'm sort of putting this out there as a request To my peeps
Starting point is 01:18:26 The idea that if I could move to a place Where I could really get The universe as loving As a loving place That would totally remake My whole consciousness And the thing is I believe that's true intellectually
Starting point is 01:18:42 But I'm so busy looking at the evidence To the contrary and affirming that That I keep getting it And when I say loving I don't think that that means that people don't die And people don't get hurt And people don't make terrible Errors of judgment
Starting point is 01:18:58 Because I think we do And I also think these become our opportunities To learn and to grow You don't learn and grow It's the same None of us do So if I could get to this place Where I felt that the world
Starting point is 01:19:14 Was more welcoming At that simple, simple level Because some people I know live there And they grew up that way And I'm like wow, that's so interesting to me I don't come from that But I believe that it's so So the teacher in me
Starting point is 01:19:30 And he's a good teacher Can show up And I'm a student of the work still And maybe when I teach this stuff I'm also teaching myself To understand and that's how I learn it But the day has yet to come And I don't know if it will for some time
Starting point is 01:19:46 Where it's a weekend workshop With Paul Selig and Paul Selig's not channeling Because the guides When the guides come through I can carry the energy I operate as a conduit for this stuff And the energy is Quite
Starting point is 01:20:02 Powerful for most people Which is nice But I don't confuse the energy With me And if I start doing that I move into ego and then I move into Look at how great I am Another psychic once said to me
Starting point is 01:20:18 Paul, there's a reason you don't fully own this Because you'd be impossible if you did And I think that that can be true Too This is the universal problem It's like This is not universal But many of us run into this predicament
Starting point is 01:20:34 And the By us, I just mean people are trying to Make the world better Or are you just a sense like Fuck, I think there is a way to really help this place Get Get a little prettier Than it is right now
Starting point is 01:20:50 Or a little more connected Or prettier is a lame way to describe it But it's so funny As I'm talking to you They're awesome, they're amazing Watching you do it Inevitably is just One of the craziest things I've ever seen
Starting point is 01:21:08 But you're awesome, man And I think that Finding That place of realizing like Well, the guides are cool Well, they're cool But man, you've got a greater You've got an awesome personality
Starting point is 01:21:24 And that way that you're breaking down To me is like a real teaching You know, it's interesting I love that you're honest about it We're so imprinted, you know Like all you need to do is be The rotund child And experience the
Starting point is 01:21:40 Many deep Hardcore humiliations happening Each day And then throw on top of that Any kind of turbulent family And you've got more neurons in your brain Than at any other time in your life You're like, oh, you're a wax
Starting point is 01:21:56 And this Wax is being imprinted And it's a deep imprint, man You know, it's a deep imprint I don't know, though, when I look back on this You know, I didn't get into this stuff Because my life was going so great I really didn't, you know
Starting point is 01:22:12 I had a list of things that I Thought I had to do in the world to be okay You know, by the time I was 25 And I got the whole list, you know I wanted to, I had just gotten out of Yale I was, you know, a playwright I was being produced I wanted to be an interview magazine
Starting point is 01:22:28 So I could get a hot date, you know I got the whole thing And then I was sort of bottoming out In the Gopher Campus Motor Lodge In St. Paul, Minnesota Where I couldn't find drugs, you know I mean, this was my party days Where we're about to come to an abrupt
Starting point is 01:22:44 Abrupt end And I started praying for the first time in my life You know, because I was raised an atheist And a few days later I heard a voice Telling me to get my act together And that was the first voice, you know So the idea That I got to go through
Starting point is 01:23:00 What I went through to come to To be who I am That doesn't mean that I think I'm noble Because I had a... A lot of people have crappy childhoods, you know I mean, this doesn't make you special But I do think that Everything is an opportunity to learn
Starting point is 01:23:16 And if I can put To begin to frame experience that way Then I don't experience Myself as being a victim And that allows me then To go on this journey But if I'm so busy blaming You know, which was an easy place for me to get stuck in
Starting point is 01:23:32 I'm not going to... I'll get more of the same of that Oh my God, it's so easy to do This is a question, if you don't mind May I ask one more question Of you and maybe of the guys And can we do an attunement again Through the podcast?
Starting point is 01:23:48 For the listeners, people listening So my question is Based on this idea that you mentioned Which is like, okay, if I see my past As a lesson Then I can work with it Whereas if I see it as some chaotic thing And now I'm a victim, then it's just
Starting point is 01:24:06 What are you going to do? You're just going to propagate the misery I have been taught by people I respect that we choose these Incarnations And that all of that stuff Has been given to us as a gift To evolve our consciousness I believe it
Starting point is 01:24:24 In my mind, but in my heart I think, come on We see So much suffering in the world I see children Dying in Syria And it feels to me Like this idea that, oh no, no, we choose this
Starting point is 01:24:40 Is a way to try to Fix a concept That there's just evil in the universe And rotten things happen I think rotten things happen I think evil's a tricky word I think the guides talk about it in one of the recent books And I don't remember what they said
Starting point is 01:24:56 About it, but they do talk About a spectrum of high and low And they say when they talk about an octave They talk about the low notes and the high notes Do you understand that? But it's all still existing as Of God Whatever you want to say
Starting point is 01:25:12 So in a lot of this stuff that we call suffering Or is created by us We're the ones doing it And we perpetuate it We're responsible to that So I'm going to go and see if the guy could love to They're saying we would love to I'm going to see if I can do this when we have anything to say
Starting point is 01:25:28 Saying we have a few things to say about the question About the question of why you're all choosing You're all choosing individually And collectively and collectively When you incarnate their opportunities Many of you get your lessons Many of you get your lessons through challenges Through challenges that's only one way to learn
Starting point is 01:25:44 That's only one way to learn If you wish to perpetuate the challenges You've had You will learn through them Until you can learn no more When humanity decides He has had enough She has had enough
Starting point is 01:26:00 Of perpetuating shame And greed And separation You will learn your lessons differently War is an act of greed Greed is an act of fear Greed is an act of fear The choice of fear
Starting point is 01:26:16 Is to claim more fear Much of what you describe Much of what you describe as born in fear Is born in fear That does not absolve it That does not absolve it of its responsibility Of its responsibility You make choices in fear
Starting point is 01:26:32 In fear And are accountable to your choice The collective is as well The collective is as well Now if you are here to learn You are now here to learn That you are participatory In the collective
Starting point is 01:26:48 Stop thinking so small Stop thinking so small Your alignment Your alignment The divine as you Has come to be realized Claims the divine And everyone else in everyone else
Starting point is 01:27:04 By nature of your being By nature of your being When the collective lifts And a new agreement To what humanity is To what humanity is And how it can be known These things you describe
Starting point is 01:27:20 Will cease to exist Will cease to exist In the ways that they have Because they are creations Of fear They are reminding you That there can be no god That there can be no god
Starting point is 01:27:36 When in fact what they are When in fact what they are Emblemizations outpicturing Outpicturing of fear based choice Of fear based choice and agreement And agreement by and through the collective By and through the collective period Period
Starting point is 01:27:52 Wow That is crazy to be around Man I don't know What people around you do But that is the strangest It's a strange feeling You create a warp My friend talks about this
Starting point is 01:28:08 How some people can warp the room I've seen really great comics to it Where the room, the energy field The room bends or something It's the craziest feeling Wow Man that is so odd I want to do an attunement
Starting point is 01:28:24 If you don't mind What people are going to want to find you But I want to point one little thing out And it's mundane again But when you mention this feeling When you do your work and resonate with people Somewhere else and essentially Become them
Starting point is 01:28:40 And I've heard this described I haven't seen it and I don't think I'm ready for it yet But you know The other place that I've heard that sense of Oh it's a feeling, it's not from imitation It's from feeling Commedians who are really really good At doing impersonations
Starting point is 01:28:56 And they will describe it as a feeling Like there's a sense that they get And then they do it They do the impression And so it's fascinating to me to hear you describe The same thing except You don't even know who it is You're doing the impression
Starting point is 01:29:12 The thing is I would put money on the fact That if those same comics were given the name Of somebody and they did the same thing With the name of somebody they didn't know The level of accuracy that you might find In their depiction I was a playwright when I was younger So that was becoming character was
Starting point is 01:29:28 Something that I could do And when I Started doing readings I didn't know that I could do this until I did it And there was some woman who mentioned her father's name And my eyes were closed And she gasped, I opened my eyes and said Oh my god you started to look just like him
Starting point is 01:29:44 And then I found out that I could do it all the time What I didn't know was I was always tuning in Do you understand I just didn't know that I was doing it Because nobody had ever told me that it was possible So In some ways I was trained for what I do Because I used to induce
Starting point is 01:30:00 Before I wrote creatively I was inducing trance I put on one piece of music for hours Until I just would hear Character, do you understand? And you know I had the worst writer's block of anybody I've ever known in my life
Starting point is 01:30:16 And now the books that are dictated through me take days 30 days is on average 30 days of sessions That can be spread out over a month or two now But the first book was two and a half weeks Every day sitting in a chair The second one was a month And it was like a 500 page book
Starting point is 01:30:32 No editing Yeah it's funny but We're not as separate as we think Do you understand this And once you understand that Your experience becomes more fluid In your ability to feel what other people feel And know what they think
Starting point is 01:30:48 I mean they film me once for a TV thing With this mother in the room And she gave me the name of her kid And I tuned into the kid And I didn't know anything about the mother or the kid And they intercut me With the film of the footage of the kid And the kid had turned out to have cerebral palsy
Starting point is 01:31:04 And you saw me sort of Claw up and rock in the chair And hit myself in the head And I went deaf on that thing And I didn't know what the hell was going on But I watched that about 20 times Because I couldn't really believe it Because normally when you say
Starting point is 01:31:20 Oh my god you look just like my girlfriend I'm going good I'm glad She said that to me yesterday Good I'm glad But the evidence I think is available to everybody So your comic friends are probably Doing it more than they know Cool
Starting point is 01:31:36 This was beautiful Thank you so much I have so much to integrate and think about now It's my pleasure Can you give people Can you tell people how to find you Sure it's my website Is paul at paulseleg.com
Starting point is 01:31:52 It's P-A-U-L-S-E-L-I-G Got it One question Did you want to do the atuma did I use up time No if you have the time I would love to do it I'm happy to do it I'm going to let the guides do it I'm not going to do it
Starting point is 01:32:10 They're saying sit back if you wouldn't imagine this And imagine this That there is an aspect of you Who knows who he is Who is unafraid Knows who she is Knows who she is There is an aspect of you
Starting point is 01:32:26 Seeking to announce herself Seeking to announce herself in realisation In realisation as who and what she is As who and what she is In an experiential way Would you say these words after us please I know who I am in truth I know who I am in truth
Starting point is 01:32:42 I know what I am in truth I know what I am in truth I know how I serve in truth I know how I serve in truth I am free I am free I am free Now ask yourself these questions
Starting point is 01:32:58 Are you willing to live A place of being to a place of being That is so good Good Are you willing to live A place of being to a place of being Where you may be fully expressed And know the self anew
Starting point is 01:33:14 And know the self anew If in fact you are willing See a staircase before you See a staircase before you Only three steps are needed Take the first step please Take the first step and if you are willing And if you are willing to release any ideas
Starting point is 01:33:30 You may be holding Of what you are That are operating Limitation Simply say yes Then go to the next step And acknowledge this And acknowledge this
Starting point is 01:33:46 The life that you have lived thus far Has been an opportunity To learn and it will change And it will change by your new agreement By your new agreement to be who And what you truly are To be who and what you truly are If you are willing to release the idea
Starting point is 01:34:02 That you are your past That you are your past and what happened to you And what happened to you Simply say yes Then go to the next step Here lies the threshold Here lies the threshold And on the count of three
Starting point is 01:34:18 We are going to step over the threshold We are going to invite you to step over the threshold Into what we call the upper room Into what we call the upper room Which is a higher level of vibration Of vibration and agreement And by doing this And by doing this
Starting point is 01:34:34 You are giving permission to be realized To be realized in a new way To be known as who you truly are Beyond the small self structure Beyond the small self structure Or the codification of history On the count of three On the count of three
Starting point is 01:34:50 If you would step over the threshold Step over the threshold One, one, two, three Step over the threshold Step over and be received Welcome to the upper room Be known by us as you wish Be known by us as you wish
Starting point is 01:35:08 And give permission to be reclaimed To be reclaimed, re-articulated Re-articulated As we have always been As who and what you have always been In the higher octave Or the upper room Thank you each for your presence
Starting point is 01:35:24 Thank you each for your presence You're saying goodnight Wow Thank you so much What a joy, thank you I'm really grateful it's always a blast to hang out with you That's an honor, thank you That was the amazing Paul Selig everybody
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Starting point is 01:36:12 My sweet darling dandelions Of the northern lions of light I was going through An old box of Beetles that I had involved At the bottom of the box A very rare Fergus Blander's tape
Starting point is 01:36:28 Which I bought at a flea market in North Carolina In the 80s And I just wanted to play one of the tracks From that tape You won't find this on the internet You won't find this anywhere Much of Fergus Blander's stuff has been
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Starting point is 01:37:00 Fergus Blander's Live at the, I don't know where Because I can't really make it out Because the tape itself is covered With smashed beetle bits See your mind Slide into The past
Starting point is 01:37:26 On a water slide And you take a dip In the waters What you Was dreaming The raccoon That you raised The boy with the
Starting point is 01:37:48 The beret Marchin' in Sweeten When you thought you was Gay And the finch On the bench That was judging
Starting point is 01:38:04 Your brothers for Dreamin' To Norton Cocaine on the Train When Satan's The breakman Makes no sense
Starting point is 01:38:24 To complain When you find out The track Is made Of promises broken So hold hands If you can With all man
Starting point is 01:38:46 Even though We're all parakeets Sucked in To God's fan With nothing To stop our Ascent Except cleanin' to what
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