Duncan Trussell Family Hour - 308: Ramin Nazer

Episode Date: October 13, 2018

Ramin Nazer, artist, comedian, and host of the [Rainbow Brainskull Hour](https://www.raminnazer.com/blogs/rainbow-brainskull-hour), joins the DTFH to discuss businesses that **REALLY CARE**, the reality distortion of entertainment, and the how cool it is when your dumb parents _finally_ die. This episode is brought to you by [Squarespace](https://www.squarespace.com/duncan) (offer code: DUNCAN to save 10% on your first site). This episode is also brought to you by [Charlotte's Web CBD Oil](https://www.cwhemp.com/) (use offer code DUNCAN for 10% off your order).

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a podcaster in your dream you could have made me a high-pitched but you made me a podcaster so I'm just gonna I know I have a rotten voice but I'm just gonna see the song that you used to see me when I was sleeping and and then I swear I'm just gonna go right back to being Duncan Trussell man what a weird what a weird name what a weird dream you are a very very strange dream and I'm really sorry I'm sorry I always do this I miss you you're all just riverbeds for a love older than time and all of this love touches eerie finds those dark clouds inside of you that you've been hiding from they're the things that make this river run you're a squid inside the warps suspended above a fountain hey what's

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nothing there just feels good and cheery and warm and light and bright there's not a heavy resounding sense of something horrific there's no smells of boiling blood and no sounds in the middle of the night no footsteps walking across your floor no sleep paralysis and of course you never get that wonderful sound of a laughing child when you get up at night to stand in front of the mirror and moan go over to dunkintrestle.com and just click on the store link and you'll see a lot of stuff we don't have the cubes in there yet also i'm not positive they're going to be cubes they could be tetrahedrons decadohedrons quadrahedrons or any of the various wonderful and amazing hydrants that are showing up these days they could also be triangles or pretty much any shape including ambiguous shapes

or shape shifting things such as balloons filled with mayonnaise we'll find out i don't know i'm still waiting for the shipment to come in it's uh not not quite as easy as you might expect to harvest ghosts especially in countries where the regulations are a little different you end up you know trying to get a batch of poltergeists and you end up with demons or banshees which of course uh we're not allowed to sell in america yet but hopefully as uh the wonderful deregulation that happens continues i will be able to sell all varieties of spiritual entities but until then we're going to just do your basic moaning ghosts and some poltergeists and we'll see we'll see friends we have got a wonderful podcast for you today these days one form of art that i really

appreciate is the kind that uh simultaneously transmits deep inspirational dharmic ideas without seeming sanctimonious naive idealistic or just generally sappy as someone who has deeply guilty of um transmitting some spiritual message that is wrapped up in all kinds of melodrama and uh extra sap i really love it when i find an artist who is conveying really big ideas in a simple way that is also beautiful edgy cool and just grabs your heart and pulls it out of the ice cave that it might be imprisoned in temporarily because you are afraid to melt the ice cave as abraham lincoln used to say today's guest is one of those kinds of artists not only is he a hilarious comedian he's also a prolific

progenitor of beautiful beautiful comics and books and pictures and also a pretty amazing podcast which i've had the good fortune to appear on it's called the rainbow brain skull hour and it is at his website which is located at ramine nasir.com that's r-a-m-i-n-n-a-z-e-r.com i'm gonna have links to that at dunkintrussell.com but i would invite you to take a deep dive into the wonderful ocean of art and comedy that this sweet human being is exploding into our dimension now without further ado please stretch your wings out jump off of that rugged cliff face that you've been clinging to and fly straight into the glowing beautiful hypercolored undulating hypnotic spiral of sweet compassionate glorious love that makes up every single atom in today's guest body a massive

welcome to ramine nasir um You You You Ramin Welcome to the DTFH this episode is brought to you by square mattress square mattress is the only sure design you can get on Your only actual mattress that is a square. It's a you know the full fucking rectangular mattress fat

It's gotta end. Yeah, now we weren't meant to sleep on a rectangle We're meant to sleep on a fucking square. Do you fucking hear me? Yeah, and don't get a mattress designer that's gonna take all your money you want to you want a square mattress just regular Do you Like a angry mattress You know how every every company has a Twitter like personality now like everything is kind of funny every Every brand has a voice and it's right. That's the new thing, right? Yeah, it's going to just that's not gonna go anywhere You think it's like you're gonna meet Wendy for met Wendy's well

We have to deal with it. It's like, you know the thing is is like all right. Well, they're not quite hypnotized anymore They are aware of the fact that ultimately what's happening is it could be anything But we're just trying to draw their attention to this particular thing because the more attention we get on this particular thing The more we can convert that attention into money and the money is what pays for everything So they know that kind of now. It's not serious anymore. Like yeah, you know, so you you know the serious commercials When you see them kind of feels like wait, what the fuck like what are you guys talking about? Like serious commercials all state cares all state gives a shit everyone else doesn't that's a terrible impression of it But whatever I love terrible impressions perfect impression or the new one is actually the apology commercial

What's that one like uber and like some companies? Oh, yeah Moving forward. We actually care now. Yeah, we fucked up remember when Domino's like just completely Redid their whole pizza recipe like we're starting from scratch and it's so weird that no one there was no public outcry They're like no bring back the original recipe not a peep. Everyone was like, yeah, okay cool change your whole Recipe we weren't pizza. We don't care man. We're gonna keep eating it. It's like a phone number that I know It's like a website. I can easily get to But yeah, so now it's like and you see it also You know at the Emmys wrestle with it a little bit like you see any anything that is

attempting to Give an aura of authority or importance these days Seems a little ridiculous. Yeah, can you tell me about the Emmys because I don't know anything about what that? You mean it's like trying to get serious of like and we care and we're going to save the climate change thing because we're actors You mean that kind of thing. So the Emmys are like, well, I mean, you know the the business we're both in is I guess one way you could put it is it's like a part of what we do is

reality distortion, you know, so Comedian a dramatic actor a Producer-director-writer anybody Uh-huh Generally, who's like creating some form of entertainment is in some way shape or form emulating reality and then distorting it to some degree even News reporters do that too. Yeah, you know to make it entertaining. So The Emmys are a gathering of people who are experts at distorting reality. It's a it's a room filled with some of the greatest

reality distortion Wizards, yeah, and they all wear black and they all wear black but to celebrate that their craft of distorting reality for Us because we love to watch Distorted realities. I do. I mean, oh, yeah fucking movies are the best thing ever love it only getting better Yeah, only getting better And so that's the Emmys the Emmys is when all the great reality distortion wizards of the kingdom gather together To get to celebrate the best reality distortors. Yeah, and so And because their craft is, you know, truly magical in the sense that like not only are they

Distorting reality, but from the reality distortion that they're doing it produces ripples in matter So, you know, one of the sad examples of it is whenever a talking Chihuahua movie comes out People adopt Chihuahuas because the kids see it and they're like mommy. I want a chihuahua or like with the owl and Harry Potter There's so many abandoned owls when Harry Potter movies came out There was a big spike in owl purchases and then when they turned 18 or whatever and had to go to college like a lot of like What am I gonna do with this fucking owl? That's it. Yeah, that's the that's one of the byproducts of some great reality distortion is that it ends up getting things killed and Or abandoned, you know or or you know in a less sinister way of saying it is it just produces

Turns a phrase, you know, so all of a sudden people will start saying groovy, baby all over the fucking place like what the fuck it's like the great reality distortion wizards they You know create entertainment and entertainment is sticky and it reflects into the minds of the people and then the people imitated so you get these for a little bit the The great mass of humanity in whatever country your thing is the most popular in begins to reflect the thing you made and Evolve that thing like kind of like what you're saying with like the new form of commercials, which is yeah, we're seeing these absurdist

commercials that are you know all kind of like Replicating this absurdist form, you know and that trend is really interesting because when you think about it, it's like okay, so I Don't know. Can you think of something that's super popular right now and in the culture? What's something that's like Ariana Grande? Okay, Ariana Grande fidget spinners, or I'm probably late on that That's probably 2015. Let's go like so like Ariana Grande Slime slimes huge with 12 year olds line. There you go. Okay slime so

Slime the creation of slime Making slime selling slime all of that stuff like some really cool fucking nanny or babysitter mom Figured out a way to mix. I don't know how you make it It's like cornstarch and something makes no idea that you can make it pretty easily Yeah, it's like it's something that seems like you don't want kids hands in it But it's actually safe like borax or some shit. I can't remember don't do it by the way sound safe I don't remember don't do that. I don't know how you make slime But you so like so, you know suddenly around some certain homes people are making slime

Right and this is all happening because of the internet and you get slime Like recipes and like because you go to the store and you see slime for sale and you're like whoa, that's it's cool And then you realize like wait, I can make this shit and then you start making it at home, right? And so What in inevitably starts happening is They're these scouts that are sent out into the smaller Shared reality tunnels of people and so the scouts in some way or another pick up like okay. Yeah, they're doing slime Are they doing slime slime? Yeah, and then that

Becomes a trend so the idea is like if I can predict cultural trends Before they like really get big then I can start producing slime and have it out there Right when the wave peaks. Yeah, and so then now I'm gonna sell the most slime Right. So anytime you see a thing that's popular what you're looking at is actually the beginning of the things end. Oh, yeah it is it's so especially with comedy and it's You see so many jokes that were like Just I don't want to say being useful. Whatever. Yeah, just like people saying like oh

That's a thing or said no one ever like said no one ever was just oh, that's so funny And then you see you know an all-state ad using it and then of course it's over and I always think of a Commercial in ten years like you and I will probably think it's so funny if someone showed it to us now a commercial from ten years ago That's taking comedy from five years from now. Did I say that right? Yeah a commercial that's or it'll probably be accelerating even more By then it'll probably just do you get that feeling of especially in recent times of like oh, man I learned more in the last year than I did in the last ten years and then oh, man I learned more in the last month and I learned in the last year Oh, man

I learned more in the last week than in the last month and it's just like that constantly like McKenna refers to it as the the history as a Basketball dropped and then it hits once then that time before it hits again again again again again until it's just going to be like Flickering so fast that it'll just feel like now again I think the changes are happening so quick that it'll eventually be so quick that it feels like not change again Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about like if a light flickers very very fast It looks like it's not flickering. It just looks like that's what your TV does I think it's just a bunch of flickering

At least the old-school TV that cathode ray type TV. I it's it's like such a cool Thing that you're talking about and the way to like really and there needs to be a word for the strange woozy feeling that comes from observing a thing from Like 10 or 15 years ago and looking at it and realizing like this is fucking weird Oh, man. Have you been to my 80s TV comm or my 70s TV comm or my 90s TV? So it's it's just a TV on your browser and you have a channel flipper that you can go through like You know the music station and the comedy station the game show station Commercials you can filter it out

but what you get to do is you get to see a whole decade in its entirety and If someone stood out as like the best artists of that decade during that time They still just sound like a 90s performer or they just sound like an 80s performer It's got its own flavor and the 2000s or it hasn't settled yet. It's like wine or something It's got to sit for a little bit before we look back and be like, oh, yeah The early 2000s did have a yeah flavor didn't it and I'm sure this one does too and yeah It's really fun to look at especially commercials like in the 70s There's a commercial for just dove soap like a bar of soap and that's like the the beginning of now

There's a billion women's like soap products. You need this specific type of thing like there's never an ad for just Buy this bar of soap and rub it on your body. That seems just so pedestrian now It's yeah, you need like 18 of them But back then it was like do you want to be beautiful then own soap use soap on your body Yeah, this is cool because you you know, we do this thing with like what are the ice cores, you know You can like or I actually just read this. What's ice cores ice cores when you pull up ice from the like ancient ice You can look at the different layers of the ice and tell what the world was like How hot what think what things were happening or another way to put it is sedimentary layers or I just read this awesome

article about the Magnetic shift that happens on the planet and how they figured this out by finding a stalagmite tight No, he's getting confused. I don't remember which is which the stalagmite stalactite problem One comes from the ground one comes from the roof of a cave, but tight and might tight and might okay But also a wonderful comedy duo Fucking hilarious, but the so the iron filaments and these stalagmites or tights. It's some point Change direction that you can actually see the iron filaments changing direction based on the Shift of the poles. Do you know how often it shifts? Well, that's one of the scary ideas. I think this one happened

150,000 years ago 90,000 years ago, but I think one of the arguments is the shifting is Slow in the sense and because in geologic time over 150 years is not a long time Yeah, so to see it shift that quickly is really like fucking weird because all of our technology is based on the poles being a certain way and if the if the shit shifted All of a sudden then we would like a lot of what we use to run society would no longer function in the way We need it to function. So anyway, the point is these cultural stalactites, which are the the digitized records of things that

Exit are on the internet now actually show us the Sort of cultural north and south the cool And we could see where the filaments were being drawn to this thing or that thing, you know And at that time the influencers were people who had access to the technology, right? So NBC ABC CBS Paramount Warner Brothers the studios is their call these things They had access to the tech and the tech is the what creates the magnetism, which draws the culture, you know Oh, yeah, right, right and now we all have access to the tech So we're dealing with all these fucking magnets that are all over the fucking place. So everybody's compass is going spinning around

Yeah, there is no central thing anymore, and it's good It's good, but it's a little fucking confusing if you're somebody who's entire existence or Modalities was you know being taught to you by the studios by the state. That was another compass, you know the school systems You know you go into school. It's a compass. It's like it's a rather. It's a magnet. It's like here's what's Law Here's what's good. Here's what's bad Yeah, but for the space cadets like you and I and listeners of this podcast like because I imagine at least 98% of listeners of this podcast are space cadets. I don't know. They've got to be

Like I think they're gonna they're they're gonna be fine and the upcoming changes because we're already spaced out anyway and thinking about this stuff But the people in like the very rigid state are having the most trouble with it Well, this is a problem because what so I was just having this great conversation with a friend of mine Jason Lou he's really cool. Oh, yeah, ultra culture.org. Yeah. Yeah, I gotta Man, we were chatting you should have him on your show. He's wonderful, but we were talking about You know a thing that happens to people like us as space cadets as you call them when you're young So you sort of like look around and you see people who are like in a deep hypnotic trance, right? Now you like to pretend you're not in one you're in a different type of trance and they are but at the time you're like

I'm not that trance. Yeah classic cheesy movie example that I think really did just like impact a lot of us Sort of like psychedelic Narcissists who all wanted to be Jesus at the time was when Jim Morrison climbs on top of the car in the doors movie and says And we see that Man But what we would do is we wouldn't get on the car we'd go to the shopping malls, right? And we would like take acid and we'd look around to the people and they're sort of like Materialistic hypnotic state with their bags or doing the mall walking thing and just

experiencing the uncanniness of that level of consumerism through the lens of like LSD or whatever Yeah, that's how we would do it, right? But the point is on top of that because we've been given a kind of extra footing so to speak which is like we had tethered ourselves from the Gravity well of whatever was being you know broadcast by the studios or by the corporations We then had this extra little ability to sort of go to these people who were in a trance stay and fuck with them Right. Yeah, and so for a lot of us that it for me. This is what I was telling Jason is like I can remember I was like, you know

Just I've been like doing a lot of like going back into my past and like thinking Remembering stuff, but one of the things I can remember you feel like it's it's coming back more like you're being able to remember More of your past as you get older Well, I'm what it is is like because now that both my parents are dead. I can free finally I can For many people that is That's just a joke. I mean I just yeah, oh god It's not I mean the thing about it is the only the only reason I clarified a joke because of course It's a joke, but I'm just wondering if it could be construed as like oh he wishes his parents are dead

Of course, I don't wish my parents were oh Well, I mean watch watch out my friend explore that a little bit more There's a the thing is we exist on so many different levels. How many times do you have you? I mean, I don't know if you ever did it, but certainly one thing that a Toddler in the midst of a kid in a chantra might yell at their mom or dad. I wish you were dead Oh, yeah, of course That's like saying cunt when you're a toss I have us I have a very clear memory of like telling my mom like you hate me and like the I

Remember her face like changing in that moment because the toddler or not toddler, but little little little me was anticipating her Trying to convince like no no, I'd you know coming back with something But the amount at which it hurt her and like shocked her in that moment stuck me for oh man forever I'm like, oh, I'll never I'll never say that to anyone again. That's not a that's that's even though it's tiny It's still manipulative and not good and of course not true unless you do have one of those parents that you know The secret hating there's a there's a little bit of them, right? There's What's there's a term for it? It's an Italian term like the mother that Spights the that is mean to the kids to spite the father. There's like a specific old term for it

I don't know if only Daniela Bolleli was here. He would maybe know it. Oh, I mean the the the variety of strange games being played in the human nests all around this planet I think are as infinite as grains of sand on the beach. There's so many different strains I mean when you say, you know, look at my mom's face when I said I What is it? What is it? She said to you? Oh, I said I said to her You hate me because she was trying to get me to practice violin, which is of course in my in my benefit Yeah, but you know again like so now you've got this so your mom looks you mom here's that She this triggers all kinds of things in her feelings of like fuck. I must not be a good parent or oh my god

What am I doing wrong or all this stuff? She reacts, right? But you see a thing that trembles in her face You don't know what that's connected to that could be connected to some memory of her mom her dad That could be connected to some past trauma But because you're a little kid and you see that look on her face You think I have caused this ripple in the pond you didn't cause it you just said a certain thing But you're a kid whatever you're saying come on am I gonna really take it that seriously? Yeah, you're shooting foam arrows, baby It's like the thing is when that foam arrow hit your mom it rippled the pond you see the ripple

I must have done it I'll never do that again because kids are hyper fucking sensitive, right anyway The point is all those little moments that happen to us there's a little micro traumas happen to us Based on the way the environment reacts to us as children form the way we act in the world You know everybody's like I want to look at my past lives. Yeah, it's tough at first, but I'm drawn back to This is when I first learned about who you were I think it was early Joe Rogan experience and he's talking about how he let you stay at his place when you were going through a bad Breakup or something and you were going in his flotation tank for the first time and you try to hide stuff from yourself

But if you're in that flotation tank, it's going to especially if you eat an edible or something before It's going to bring out every little thing from your past and show it to you like what's what's this thing? How can we haven't talked about this? What's what's this one? Oh, this is a big juicy one. Let's talk about this There's no escaping it You You You You

You You You Yeah, that's right and and all those things are like You know many of many people see these things as Something to be avoided for their entire lives and or they have to avoid it because they can't look at it You know because it's it's like you're not ready to deal with it, you know and I think probably at that phase. I was like summoning up a

pretty Idealistic idea of how memories work or you know, but you talking about flotation tank you Okay, because I also want you to go back to when you were saying that your your parents died And then I said finally and because I wanted you to finish that thought too because I'm I try to be a I try to be a concept Sherpa and like get Like revisit the stuff we might have missed in case the listener is like what happened to that thing that I was listening to A minute ago one thing I hope is by now my listeners know that like you never might believe in that We could definitely end up in some weird tributary. Yeah, it's mr. Toad's wild ride for sure. No, but

the essence of the thing is And this isn't a concept I'm working with right now and it does connect to your Finally that your parents have died which by the way You said it as a joke but There are Countless people on this very day Whose mother or father has passed away after a long battle with this thing or that thing and

One piece of them is going finally For sure and then that piece chirps up and they think that's all of them and so they're like my god I must be a monster. It's like no, that's just a piece of you. That's okay to think that It's okay to think that because that is a part of it. We do celebrate sometimes when our parents pass away because the Death is For the living a very very very difficult process and there is a relief that comes now

Anyway, that being said and some people man, they're actually celebrate when their parents die because their parents are Were like abusers. Yeah, and there's a sense of being like freed, you know, so the past the exploration of the past is Our own personal past. I think is a very very

Worth while exploration, right and I've been thinking about it in terms of inheriting a Familial home Okay, dude, I love this fucking game darkest dungeon. Have you played that game? No for what steam? It's on steam. Okay, is it new? It's old. It's an old RPG. It's an old Lovecraftian horror RPG Where you go back home? You're you've been summoned back to your familial home this old decrepit fucking like Manor house and you have to go into the dungeons and the

Attics and the forests and gather up relics and heirlooms that are somehow become scattered all about and you don't know What's going on? You don't really know what you're you figure it out as it happens, but it's a classic HP Lovecraft shit It's like, you know, it's it's really Really what I love so much about the game is it's incredibly difficult and you get one life So you have all these various characters when they die. They're dead. You don't get them back It saves on the cloud the fucking guys are dead so But then also what I like about it is the encounters that happen

Can you say that again? It goes in they go in the cloud after you die you get a random saves it You don't see you like in other words like you're not auto saving But which which guy dies your player will you assemble parties? So you have this never-ending roster of people who keep coming into the town in a caravan To try to make money helping you do this work of essentially Oh, so it's trying to set it up that if a person dies, it's like that actual randomly generated person is gone Okay, I like that you just one life. You have one life. It's a game where you have one life I like it to go back

So any fucking decision you make is permanent, but then also the characters they go insane Right so because they're stressed of seeing these horrific beings and the shadows there They actually start losing their fucking minds and you have to put them in like mental Asylums and you have to like they get diseased. It's just a fun game, right? But I love that game not just because it's fun, but because it's like When you begin to go down into your past, it's very similar. You're going back. There's all these relics Scattered in your past, right? Yeah, a lot of those relics are buried underneath layers of amnesia

Layers of shit that intentional distraction from people in your life who didn't want you to remember that or see it because it's so bad Yeah, or just you know protective membranes constructed by your psyche because you can't deal with it and so This is the thing man, you know, so many people are Going to hypnotists or doing their own meditative practices to try to remember their past lives While not going into their fucking life's past Dude who gives a fuck if you were Napoleon How about the fucking fact that you know when you were 11 years old you were exposed to hard core pornography?

How about that? How did that? Yeah as opposed to seven, which is when you're supposed to get it nowadays But no, you don't have to be so like that's a purse personal and anecdote like so the the exploration of the past is a very Scary for some people it is like taking a lantern and going down Do you ever have you how far back have you gone personally? Can you do you ever end up uncovering stuff that like wow?

I thought the earliest I could remember was three, but it turns out I have a little bit of a memory when I'm two I Dude my like I you know my Now that my parents have passed I'm like able to like open this vault up and really go deep down in there so it's like The so far I can like tell you the exact you mean just mentally or going through objects So like I can like I've actually been sort of charting it out. I think I have it here somewhere I've I've like gotten back to I Was born in 1974

So I can get back to Right around You know with scattered memories here or there on 1982, okay And then I can sort of like wait six is your earliest memory What's that? I think I was eight right eight your earliest well not earliest I've got early early once right, but eight's where it all starts getting real clear That's when the divorce happened before that it's a big old fucking fog Scary fog to you. So that's what I'm kind of like working on like are you the only child brother?

That's right. Okay. You are your parents brother. Yeah, they're together your parents have been together your whole life. Uh-huh Wow, okay, cool. Yeah, I remember a couple of like serious fights, but never like not I think there's there's There's bickering sometimes, but it's never like Anything more than you'd see in any other marriage, but I've had together parents. It's been good in that sense Good and did you guys? Move around a lot. We moved from Sarnia, Ontario to Edmonton, Alberta in Canada Then all the way to Lake Jackson, Texas Then I went to college in Austin, Texas then here in LA

So I had like half Canada and then half like small town. Why the move? Dad's job. What was the job? Chemical engineer for Dow Chemical Well, your dad's smart your parents are smart is your mama? Uh-huh. Yeah My mom's got a PhD in physics actually But she ended up not doing that which is funny because I always try to talk to her about Quantum physics stuff because I'm like I said space cadet and I'll watch like a nasim haremine Holo fractal like two-hour lecture about why you know

The proton is the jewel of Indra's net and like why all the information in the proton is the same as though the whole thing And I like try to show her this thing. It's like have you seen this? Have you seen that we're all but she's just much more into Newtonian like material science like cares more about that and I'm just so much more woo woo So it's always this interesting dynamic It tests out my knowledge of of that woo woo because it's easy to watch something whether it's pyramid Stuff or or holo fractal or simulation theory and then be inspired by it and have it light you up And then to go talk to someone who hasn't seen that video try to relay what you just saw to them that tests what you're What your understanding of it is and it's good for you. It's a fucking physicist

I mean, it's like it's not like you're going to your you know I mean it's like you're going to your friends and like relaying some shit It's like somebody who's got a trained scientific mind. Yeah, he's gonna hear whatever it is that you have to say and like Look at it like I don't know man like let's explore it a little deeper and then the next thing you know It's like oh shit. Yeah, it's just sounds cool, right? But I think it's there you can stand in two places You can stand in the material and it's real or you can stand in the ethereal or spiritual or whatever The word you want to call it the not material and they're both just as real as the other

But they're on opposite sides of the coin so if you're standing on one you're not Standing on the other, you know that Joseph Campbell quote where it's at the end of a long thing But he goes like are you the light shining out of the bulb or are you the bulb? And I asked that to my mom and she's like the bulb and I was like, oh It's so funny that you'd pick the bulb as the answer and not Not the light shining out of the bulb. Do you remember when you were coming up? Your parents explained to you the scientific method or did you when they were teaching you as a child? Do they like try to impart a kind of

Rationalistic approach to interpreting reality not overly like I guess We would They wouldn't try to like push religion away because there wasn't like a lot of religious like coming into me I guess there was just kind of nothing But my mom loved Carl Sagan and they just loved sci-fi and and books and we had a telescope and would look at the stars And be like that's Jupiter and that's like, you know a hundred thousand times bigger I know it's not a hundred thousand times bigger than earth whatever size bigger than earth It is they would describe that and then I think when I started to meet religious people or when I went to Bible camp for a

Few weeks because I was staying with family friends And then we went to this Bible camp thing and when I'm learning all these new concepts of like God is everywhere God can hug you right now if you reach out your arms you can hug God and then I remember going to my dad and asking like what is what's all of this stuff here? And then then you had to say like yeah, don't tell anybody this but I'm what they call an atheist So I don't I don't believe in that stuff, but people are sensitive about it And you know no one knows the answer. So I mean he's really wise Philosophically and isn't to poetry and room me and all that kind of stuff. Oh, yeah, the best dad. Yeah, holy shit

What a perfect response. I'm putting that in the fucking soon to be a dad bank. Oh, yeah Do you think about like I mean really there's not much you can do but there's so many parents thinking about like how am I gonna stop? My kids from seeing, you know, adult things. How am I gonna stop them from seeing porn or violence? Like I don't know man. How so their eyes shut I'm gonna cover my child's head with a sackcloth What about in 2032 when they can transmit images directly into the brain not through the the retinal Cavity 2032. Yeah, you know probably sooner. I'm just giving that ballpark. I'm gonna use a quadrillion lance to disrupt his

synaptic cleft to prevent him from receiving any kind of data from the He just blocked that with a level three cloak of fuck you dad That's gonna be so cool just I mean you've probably already thought of all this but he gets a record Your your your son that's not even born yet, which he's maybe just floating around in the DMT world or something right now He exists just he hasn't come come into or the soul is in the womb or who knows the things But he has so much record of his father Speaking like there's you on record saying yeah, we're trying to have a kid right now And then there's you on record on a podcast going like yeah

And we're gonna have a kid now And he's got a record of him talking to his grandma that he never got to meet with his dad. That's super cool He's got all this he probably won't care when he's seven or nine or something But oh man like when he's a little bit older That's a big like treasure trove of like look at all these conversations of like we don't have that you and I don't have that No, we don't I mean we do have it. It's just the way we have it is in a different form But it's it's like seven black and white photos or something I think it's like epigenetics and like there's a way to like come commune with them probably but it's the

the Trick I'm trying to use when it comes to my son is To be in the moment and so the mind wants to prognosticate Well, fuck what am I gonna do when he's a teenager? What I'm gonna do when he wants to drive What am I gonna do if he like wants to play football? All these things you know George Harrison's son was in a military school and like that drove his dad quite crazy Just that all of it. Yeah, all the potential things, but I keep thinking like well if there's a what one thing

I would love to impart on him is the Wonderful quality of the present moment and that we can plan and it's good to plan But it's better to be like in this place, you know and To teach that you have to be in it as much as you can So that's one thing is like I just you know when my mind starts trying thinking about this shit It's like let's just be here right now. Yeah, and then when I'm with my wife You know and I and I'm laying with her and I'm like talking to my son through a belly

You know, it's like I'm here now. We're here now and then or you know, this is where we are now Yeah, that's what it is and otherwise man. I'm gonna freak the fuck Idea some goddamn teen Yeah, you can't operate in that way and we all we all know not all of us But I guess you and I know that we have to be here now and it's all about the present moment But like I'm sure you experience the fading of of that stuff, right? Like the first time you read be here now and you read about Bogvandos telling him like don't worry about the future be here now Don't worry about the past be here now and then it resonates with you

But then after a few months that books on your shelf and you're having trouble being here now Even though the book says be here now and it's got all the that's an interesting thing to bring up Which is it, you know, I think of this in terms of this is when the gravy is congealed, right? So like we've got this wonderful It's kind of a gross example. Scoot do it talking slime gravy congeals It like you get a gravy if like you're at somebody's Thanksgiving dinner And they got gravy and it's been sitting there too long it gets this gross film on the top Right and so when it comes to ideas of the present moment or be here now or any of that shit the shit congeals

In your mind, so it's like you're like, I don't even know what that even you don't even know what it means anymore Yeah, because it's your because the present moment is now It's not the present moment that you experienced two years ago like that present moment. This is now now this one rules Yeah, this is I'm on I'm on the DTF H Yeah, I'm I'm literally on the DTF H right now. Yeah, and listener. You're listening to the DTF H That's like that's a good moment right there. You found an episode here, yeah, exactly and That thing

You know it like finding it is it's like a wonderful Easter egg Hunt which is like all this right now is fucking cool, man. I'm getting to hang out with you. I'm here in my studio It's nice. It's but you know at some point Turbulence will come right and it'll seem crazy and all these things will happen to us Our minds are gonna be pulled in a million different directions Yeah, that place we go back wait. I think oh here it is again And then you find it. Yeah, right, but it's just this is now and

This now is so wonderful and this now is actually all you got like Marcus Aurelius, have you read any Marcus Aurelius? I've seen gladiator Is that what you're referring to? Is Marcus Aurelius the emperor and gladiator? Isn't he I thought he was the Russell Crowe character, but I'm a dumbass. Oh, no Marcus Aurelius was an emperor. No, you're not dumbass But it's funnier to say that, you know talk about your art yet, man, but like Marcus Aurelius Is a stoic philosopher emperor guy who Was max Aurelius the guy, I don't know. I don't know I don't you know I

For some reason I did enjoy gladiator, but I can't remember too much of it Now doesn't seem like he'd quote or it doesn't seem like he's the quote kind of guys more like the silent wise kind of guy But go on what's his quote? Well, the quote is more like it's not the idea is like this frame that you're in right now is It this is it this is where you're at and so a lot of people get really connected to One thing that I in the past have been very Really stupidly thought Is when I die

I lose My past so when I was conceiving death I was conceptualizing death Is the complete Disengagement or collapse of all the other moments that have passed right? Yeah now this is Absolutely insane Because those moments have already passed They're gone. Yeah, and people can think of death. I'm like, I'm gonna lose it all. No, no, it's gone

You're dead. It died. It's gone. Bye. Bye. It's gone. It's just stored up in your mind Now what there is is this moment and then there's your mind, right? And the mind is going into this vast Library or familial mansion Right, and it's pulling out books And it's reading the books Into the present moment. Yeah This is the play of what you are

So scared and numb of your name and what you like and you you did and how it happened and oh, fuck You're gonna get fucked when you do that thing. Why just say what did you do? You know, that's the temple of the self is these weird monks pulling down strange tomes that have been Written neurologically and stored in this archive and they're pulling the fucking tomes out And they're like, there's a person who's gonna hurt you. Don't you see the pattern you're in Don't trust that person. This reminds me the person who did the thing, right? And so that's That's what we're doing. We're basically dropping these colored neurological memory drops into the present moment Yeah, and that is what defines us as a being, right? So anyway, oh man, I like that a lot the um

You you've heard a lot of Eckhart toll, right? Yeah The the one that helped me a lot was the way he described that Anything in the future Even if it's in the future 100 years from now or 10 weeks from now or whatever is going to be experienced as the present moment No matter which place you're in everything you experience is as present moment. So if you don't that's right If you don't train to do that then you're not going to do well in the other one. So there's only one place you can train This is it

Oh man and and you know to like the the Marcus Aurelius The stoics they remind us of that. So it's just like this reminder of like, okay Why are they called stoics because they just sat and thought great fucking no No, the term stoic is that that comes after I don't know why they ended up calling stoicism what it is There was like a whole branch of philosophy that like I always thought of is like, oh that must mean it's austere

But it seems to be it reminds me a lot of like greek buddhism or greek Taoism, you know, it's just more Based on like but it's the weird thing is Marcus Aurelius. I think tortured christians, but i'm not sure. Oh good See going with the parent-dead thing again It's the it's the easiest and kind of most fun if you're around the right people Thing and I guess jim norton does it a lot. He's not the only one but just the Anytime anyone says anything just if you say the most horrible thing you can think of just immediately afterwards It's like, you know, if someone's saying like, oh, what should I what should I do this afternoon hang hang yourself? Yeah, yeah, that's mitzi or gary shanling. I kill you. So yeah that thing the darkling trip. It's like

Dude, I did that for a while. I still do it sometimes like it's fun to like, you know Pull out a dead cat in the middle of the party or whatever and then it's just like I have to analyze my like the intentions behind it you know, it's like What it's okay to pull a dead cat out though And some people are really good at it. I like particularly jim norton man like when like to see the hissing horror In the eyes of people who have been offended by one of norton's characters or just General sense of disease or like when you if you're lucky enough and you get offended by jim norton, you know

Like if that moment happens where you're actually That's a joy, you know, I love that feeling but Yeah, that queasy feeling is so cool and somewhat to master it like administering that sense of nausea Uh, whatever you want to call it. It's fucking cool, man. But it's to you know, the you you are You know Something that I am Perplexed about because you're so many different things, you know, and I only understand some of them One of the one of them in particular your art

Holy fucking shit, man. Oh, thank you. You you you you have produced uh A really beautiful way of transmitting What I consider to be the great data Uh, the the or you know, it sounds so cheesy to say no keep keep going dharma You know through your art and in the way you're doing it is I think uh skillful means, you know, which is that when I'm looking at your art and I'm

Reading the points that you're making I don't feel like you're being sanctimonious, you know, I don't feel like I feel like it makes sense It's inspiring and what's really the other thing that I find quite beautiful about it. Is it simple? It's really not a complex The equations you're presenting to us are very very simple Which to me is the most difficult thing to do There's not a lot of fucking like Fat there, you know, yeah, it's difficult in the getting in your own way part of it

Like it's but it's the easiest thing to do if you actually get there and find the thing because we all have it inside of us the deep I mean sometimes they call it shower thoughts or something but like we all have that or maybe we don't I don't know some people maybe just have nothing going on but Uh, what are you creating? What what is the what what is the medium you're using to make what the image is? Yeah, I draw them by hand and I color them in photoshop And sometimes clean them up a little bit if I screw up the ink drawing But just ink pen on paper

Scan using my phone used to use a printer scanner and then I discovered the phone scans at 600 dpi So just scan it in like that and then color it which came first stand up or the art Oh art because I've just always I started uh So I've played violin since I was five and I've drawn cartoons since I guess also that age so I used to just be all about music and Then was just doodling a lot in in classes and I didn't start doing like comic books till college and I started drawing a strip called strippy for

My university newspaper and they used to pay me I think like 10 bucks a strip and I remember thinking like oh man It's it's easier for me to draw one of these than it would be to draw a $10 bill That'd be like really hard to draw a $10 bill so I can draw my own type of $10 bills And it wasn't just for money, but I liked that I did that and I had a little an audience This was pre like social media. So I would put it out people would read that newspaper I'd have my email there. So if people really liked it sometimes they'd reach out through email or something. So I got that going and stand up Happened after I got uh, I got a dwi

I didn't get an actual one, but I got pulled over for drunk driving and I had to go to the jail for 24 hours wasn't wasn't convicted of it got the travis county jail in austin texas. How many people are in there with you? um 30 there was one guy I was chained to for like 12 hours and then I got unchained from and I got to have my own cell That was the best part because then I got to be in my own place The worst part was just thinking about like having to Tell my parents about it, which I was already independent from them, but I didn't want to hide it from either just Yeah, and I called my dad the next day and I told him that uh, yeah

Are you sitting down? I got something bad to tell you and he's like sure I said I got arrested last night I got a dwi charge and uh, I was in jail for the last 24 hours And then the first thing he says is did you give breath test and then I go Yeah, I breathed because I thought I was under and he goes you never give these bastards evidence That's the first thing he said is just you never you don't ever give the bastards evidence and uh Yeah, that was that was a good lesson, but off the hook off the hook of the thing. Oh, that was um My my blood alcohol level was just so close to the legal limit

It was just barely over So if I pled no contest and because I was young and no criminal record and you know an Upstanding citizen of uh, blah blah. I guess technically I'm white then right if I can get off like that I joke about it's an old patrice O'Neill joke about like how there's different white people like how Japanese are the white people of asians and you know persians are the white people of of middle eastern people so Uh, I mean I've had I've had if you were like more complexed you would have been fucked. I think so. I think that's It's been uh shown not that you're always fucked. I'm sure there's like plenty of probability goes. Yeah, and there's great There's great cops too. I mean not to go down all that rabbit hole

But just you know, you hear about uh a gang shooting like I heard someone recently got like was in an uber I don't want to out their name or anything But their uber driver was shot in the head because of a gang drive by and you know We spent all this time being like a stupid cops and like just power tripping bad things And then you hear about gang shooting random innocent uber driver and it's like, okay Yeah, it is kind of good to have cops sometimes but then there's the argument of like Yeah, the gangs wouldn't have to do that if the cops weren't in it's the endless cycle What do you mean the gangs wouldn't have to do it?

The gangs wouldn't have to shoot uber drivers if there are no no cops Well, there that wouldn't exist if there wasn't a weird drink. Yeah We gotta keep killing these uber drivers until it's fucking anarchy No lift drivers only uber but hold that whole tangent of stand-up started because I I got the dwi and then in the jail Cell like I had a lot of time to think about what I was doing with my life It's like is this really what I want to do just work I was at the time doing web development So just web developing and then going out at night with friends and drinking and then driving

Home is like that's a stupid life. That's not what I want to do here It's like what do I want to do and then like at the time stand-up seemed like this impossible one Like I was a musician, but I wasn't a I wasn't a comic that takes like how does that even work? How do you even start where do you go? And then me and my friend my best friend in the whole world Mike Sears was You know he sat with me by a river and we had a long talk about stand-up We decided to start stand-up together We were like we'll just go to this open mic and if there's no one they're great if everyone's they're great

If it's who cares we'll just see what it is and it turned out to be just the best night of the whole year Who knows if it was a shitty night? Maybe I wouldn't have done stand-up But it was packed and everyone was not everyone was doing well like half the people were Doing well. There was like a few stand-outs. I remember a Doug Mellard if you don't know Doug Mellard He was one of the the guys that stood out to me Brendan Walsh was there at the time in Austin He was Brendan was like in the big kids table like it was that table of like oh, those are the seniors

You don't go sit at that table like that's the that's the big scary ones and then you know you start doing the open mics and then the open mics turn into MC spots turn into feature spots eventually you get to headline off nights and the one day you wake up and you're like Oh, shit. I'm at that table and Brendan and them are they haven't lived here in years How did I become sitting at this table and then you grow from even sitting at that table till leaving your home base? Mine was Austin some people's it might be portland, seattle Chicago Dallas anywhere and then you Move out and start over pretty much if you moved to new york or la you kind of have to start over

Because there's just too much good talent and yeah, there's not enough spots No one's going to call you up like hey, we need someone to fill the spot. No, that's filled You got to you got to reach out to people about it. I'm fascinated by that. You know, this is a when I was really getting into vr Um, that was the thing I kept thinking like whoa, man. This is gonna redefine so many artistic industries and and you know, it's we're not There Yeah, 10 years it'll hit scale. That's what gary v says and some other people 10 years Yeah, like a lot of people are jumping on it now the same way that

You know the phone took a little while to become mainstream now you have to really it's weird if you don't have a smartphone Someone's a kook if they're like well, I've got a phone, but it's not a smartphone. I have a well The problem though with stand-up in particular is sound It's like it's not so much it is it's a lot of things but they're you know, Clearly the problem is like getting across like yeah, Todd glass could do a whole number on on the The you know how specific he is about the mic set up the audience set up the ceiling's got to be low the

It's it all. Yeah the lighting stage tuner. He doesn't just play the piano He fucking tunes it and he tunes it in this great way. It's I love that. I love that. He's right too, but it's like uh The the technologically one of the problems with it is that If you're going to perform for a virtual audience These are all people who are in different places all over the planet And they all have different mics And they all have different ways of transmitting sound you're talking about doing stand-up in a vr setting. Yeah

Yeah, it's like because you know what you're talking about there the moving that so there's the pilgrimage that inevitably happens for the stand-up comic which is that Before you're ready Or too late or just when you're ready Whatever you get the call and you drive to new york or you moved in new york you moved to la to Begin to like refine your talent And so that is a huge that's a mystical journey that pilgrimage is a mystical pilgrimage for so many comics I mean it really is truly a like

Fucking holy goddamn. Yeah. I remember the plane flight over here just seeing that grid of lights Like that now i'm used to it But the the grid of la light stretches as far as the eye can see and just everywhere else It's like oh, there's the city, but here it's like where is the city? It's this it's this whole span of everything. Yeah, and those beginning Months or years and the feeling of like whoa What the fuck am I doing the first year is worthless and the first three are kind of worthless I feel like I've just kind of found my stride here and it's a

beautiful Path and it's a scary path for a lot of people but like when you know, I love thinking about technological disruption. Yeah, and um Particularly, you know, like the place I live at You know, we just got a you know, one of the problems is the ways is determined that this is like a through a through way So suddenly a street that maybe at one point didn't have a lot of people now It's got a river of cars going up. That's weird because that's such a hilly area

Yeah, and you wouldn't think it is but I guess ways doesn't factor that in happened right and then on top of that um So we see that's a technological disruption uh And so many To get back to the idea of like history being a fucking Basketball on the on the bouncing on the fucking floor of time the gymnasium of time or whatever The gymnasium of time

Now we're seeing all these like other forms of technology like almost any crazy problem that's happening in the world right now Is in some way shape or form related to disruptions being caused by interconnectivity and so When it comes to comedy Stand-up comedy in particular It is only a matter of time before The technology emerges

Where you could put on a show in VR space That is indistinguishable from a show in actual space We can't do it right now. Yeah, because You can't there's no fucking way to create some Unified microphone field for the audience. So if you want to know what like next time you go on stage apply some mindfulness to

How important not just how you sound is But your ability to hear the audience And you realize like you're doing some very deep listening You're listening to shuffles and rustles and you like, you know, you're listening to something Very deep, which is the sound of a unified crowd. Yeah, and especially like the different scales of it You understand this better than I do probably because you've gone on the road with rogan and stuff like seeing those Like thousands of people audiences and the way you have to Change yourself and your timing to fit within those waves of laugh as opposed to like a room with 300

Did you find yourself having to really like recalibrate like oh, I wasn't expecting that like big amount of love energy I just fucking giant rooms little rooms all rooms. There's always a kind of like my like some It's like it's surfing or it's a wave and you feel like you're it's a temporal wave made up of a Gestalt so to speak and so you've got a sort of like, you know You're always going to be within that wave And attuned to it in some way way But you don't want to attune too much to it because now you're like You know, that's when you fall into like the realm of saying what you think they want to hear and it's like don't

Fucking do that, but then don't fall too outside of it I'm not gonna say what they want to hear and like do like sort of like unskillful Jim Norton style things just like no, I'm just gonna fucking just say whatever I want by the way That's not a gym Good at it when people aren't good at that jesslin that good at it Yeah, people aren't good at it And it's like wait you're just doing the opposite of saying it's a tightrope man If you're if you miss it a little bit you suck

But if you nail it like yeah, just so nick nails it. There's nothing more Well, there's so many annoying things but it's very annoying And I think any of these things I'm allowed to say because I've been it at some point But there's nothing more annoying than seeing A fucking Unfunny edge lord. Yeah on stage Who's like burping out some bullshit offensive quote offensive shit and people aren't laughing And then they say

I know why you're not laughing. It's because you're afraid to laugh That you see I've seen it so many times. You're just afraid. No, they're not afraid to laugh. It's not funny I never did that on stage, but I was guilty of it internally where like a booker of something would be uh you know Upset with me for doing a particular joke on a showcase night and I was like really defensive I'm like what it did well and like what george carlin said this and this and this and this and now looking back on is like Oh, did you a stupid four year in comic just compare yourself to it's okay to do that because george carlin did it Fuck you piece of shit one of the signs one of the signs whenever i'm comparing myself to george fucking carlin

It's time to just fucking stop and get the notebook out and start writing Fuck you eat your own ass It just is like so yeah, so yeah that kind of Um ability to attune yourself to the audience and then from that attunement Understand sort of the shape of the canvas and then paint your own painting This is you know, it takes a lot of different input variables and the sound is crucial so like With doing shows in virtual reality space To attune yourself to avatars

To attune yourself to people who are like potentially, you know sitting on their mattress, you know Yeah, or what if even farther they're occupying like like one time you had a ginger man watching you a gingerbread man watching you What if his ear is like it takes in sound differently through those gingerbread man ears to the to the receiver It's like oh, I got to speak in a lower tone so he can hear me That's it. But one day this all these will be worked out because live performance is um You know such a massive fucking industry and if suddenly you could in whatever particular

performance field you're in You Create a infinitely Large venue to perform with it and charge tickets for it And not leave your house Infinitely large venue. Yeah. Dear Christ. Did you see maria bambford's last special old baby? I haven't seen she starts Performing in front of a mirror. So it's just her then it's her in front of her parents in their living room

Then it's her in front of a park bench with like four friends Then it's in front of just a little like coffee shop Just a few people then it's in a like small divey club Then she's performing in front of a comedy club a big one Then she's performing in a theater Then she's performing in an arena and then finally she's like out in the galaxy He's like just performing in front of it all and the yeah, she's one of the greatest and her reasoning for that was that she said A friend saw her do the exact same set with the same

You know kind of response, but when she saw her during the coffee shop She was like And then when she saw her in the theater is like whoa, that was that was something else That was really good when it was in fact the same thing But she was influenced by the amount of people Laughing at it. That's what made it feel like it was. Oh, yeah that better phenomena And it's like now it's it's so curious because it's like shit man when you know stand up was You know growing and evolving or when any kind of performance was growing and evolving

In the early days this stage was the most advanced technology That was advanced technology getting on stage and having props or a lot of lights or any kind of like Artificial lighting or anything like that that was cutting edge, right? So now what we're seeing and it kind of goes back to this like what we were talking about in the beginning is that now The stage is appearing Everywhere Now it's fucking instagram now. It's your podcast now. It's your tweets now

It's your facebook and there's the physical stage and there's the stage So now what we're witnessing is like this thing is happening, which I just read it's a great term Opticon. Have you ever heard of that? No, what's it mean? So an opticon is a is a name for a type of fascist state where Everyone's watching everyone else. It's called an opticon. That sounds great Well, it's great unless the people who are watching you are also Simultaneously turning you in or like, you know snitching on you But if everyone can see everything then then the truth is right then there's no distortion of the truth

Opticon would be fantastic. Isn't that what bitcoin is essentially and isn't that what interest net is? Essentially too. It's that if everyone is watching everyone everyone has the data of everyone else Well, no, I think interest net bitcoin you could say are more related to the concept of dependent origination, right? so Like Everything's connected to everything else one part of the net trembles all the net trembles, right? And this is like goes back to this cultural magnetic filament thing Which is that the tremble and the net tremblers formerly were the studios

formerly were the TV shows the the musicians and who had but they did to tremble the net You needed to have an amplification device powerful enough to tremble the fucking net, right? And now we all have the amplification device to tremble the fucking net. Yeah, we're all net tremblers, right? We're all like blast in the net. It would now we don't need to get on stage. We don't need to go to Madison Square Garden anymore. You could literally Upload a thing you theoretically you could turn the camera on and upload something that just popped into your head You know, you could upload a thing and say it

Uh life is suffering The cause of suffering is attachment Get rid of attachments suffering ends to get rid of attachment. Here's a path. I've come up with you know You could say the before this message is brought to you by attachment. That's the pre-roll in the middle of it I'm saying like when the buddha You know gains realization under the bodhi tree And spreads the four noble truths of buddhism. It took a long time for that data field to sort of get around the planet It's just now

Getting around the planet. Yeah, the popcorn has started to actually like there's less space in between each kernel popping off A more negative way to put it is when fucking mel Gibson, you know, like gets drunk and we realize he's like in some way shape or form Apparently completely anti-semitic Right. Is that recent or from 10 years ago happened a while ago? Oh, really? You know, he's like bitching about the jews or whatever. He's all hammered and it's like the amount of time it took for mel Gibson's like anti-semitism To echo around the planet was approximately 24 hours where if mel Gibson's carriage had crashed and he'd started spending about the Jews in the 1600s

There isn't a single soul In england that's going to know about that until a fucking ship makes the voyage and someone gets off the ship and is like Yeah And that's a good thing back then too, right? Just being anti That's right Who was talking about um trying to articulate this right, you know onyx ashanti just super futurist guy, but um

Uh, I won't even go into it. Just look up look up the guy. I was trying to relay something he was saying about how No matter how far into the future we go if there's any way of distinguishing one thing from another thing there will be like Basically, there's no end to racism But you can you can help it But there's always going to be that sense of racism or tribalism or something you can't completely Estinguish it because that's just what interesting. Yeah, that's a pretty big prediction It's like any kind this is the other things like any of these future predictions It's like who the fuck knows and that's why I love this stoic concept or god's teachings

Which is like, all right. All right. Okay. So like let's just get back here again, right? And I think that the in the same way there's an imperative that you begin to realize If you're me later on in your life to like figure out a way to find that moment The jewel in the heart of the lotus to find that moment again and again Not because it's like cool or it makes you feel better because it's gonna like, you know Make you like a better person or make you sexier or whatever But the reason it's it's like good to do that is because every time you land in that spot

you're going to be far more adept at Reducing suffering than you are if you're not in that spot, right? Yeah, you can just get a little little bit little better Yeah, something else about that when you were talking about Madison Square Garden, you can just make it happen now it's that that It used to be that way like with photographs like only the rich had a photograph of themselves or a portrait of themselves now Now like think of how many different artistic

portrayalers Portrayals Portrayalers of your face you've seen have you even seen all of them? Like just on there's probably people who've drawn your face. There's more than you can count by now that thing. Yeah That's like that's ridiculous and that's happening to everyone across the board now before like you would have to infinite variation infinite digitization and Yeah, and now like you need to be Amy Schumer or Kevin Hart or something to perform at Madison Square Garden And that's going to be just what anyone can perform it in front of a million people if you wanted to

That's going to be an equalizer potential is always there for you to get sucked into an updraft Where suddenly the thing you're doing is being broadcast to the entire planet and this is the opticon as they say Which is that and this happens you see some, you know fucking pilled up hopped up hyperracist at a gas station in fucking alabama Yelling at some Complected person to get the fuck out of the country and that comes on that that gets filmed And now that person gets in that person is forever Radiating out as an example of yet of true racism and we see and we're like what the fuck it's horrifying. Yeah

So I guess my point is This present moment idea It's wonderful not just because it makes us relaxed but because at some point Someone Is going to have like an epiphanous moment

derived from the present moment, right? Yeah, and The difference between that person and the buddha Is that that person is going to make the announcement on instagram? They're going to make the announcement here or there in some way and in the same way the Gio the magnetic field of the earth shifts over 150 years and not thousands of millions of years It's going to shift the cultural landscape Instantaneously. Yeah, it's already doing it. Yeah, so I just feel like there's a really good like my theory behind it is like

Well, it's what neem curly baba said, which is like we do this Thing we're doing right now Not necessarily because it's what it's gonna do for us But how it helps other people Do you think he meant what he said to ramdas when he said like don't don't tell people about me Don't talk about me. Do you think that was a little like trickster in him going like Of course, you're gonna talk about me. If I say don't talk about me It's going to want you to do it even more. He's a very funny man. Yeah

Some of those stories are so like I mean I'm not a critic of it because I I believe it I think there's crazier things than to have an old man in a blanket be magical and be The reincarnation of hanuman or however you want to describe it his cities has his all that but I love reading the stories of You know, well, I'd never met neem curly baba and one day I I went to his ashram and he didn't talk to me the whole day And I was about to fly back to the states and then as I was packing my bags He showed up at the door and there was an aura around him. He was just kind of lit up

He was glowing and then the next thing I knew he was in front of me And he just slapped the top of my head and just started beating the shit out I mean, you're just like, oh my god. Who is this? Who is this awful man? And I just started tearing up I just started crying more than I've ever cried in my whole life And then I just wanted to touch his feet and it's just such strange accounts like that That if you told someone that didn't already know about, you know, ramdas and the The mix of it if you told just that story in isolation, it's like who the fuck is this this guy

I think that's baghvandhasa's story of neem curly. I think I might be misplacing it But baghvandhasa is the big, you know beard guy with Uh, who who's the guy who said be here now? Actually, he's the guy telling ramdas be here now Have you had him on before not yet? Oh, you gotta have him. He's a great fascinating being and and the but to get back to the question of the miracles The cities the demonstrations and I can't remember who said it. You know, it's called miracle stories Very similar to ayahuasca stories It's like you get around somebody and they aren't going to tell you about how they went into the pyramid and they saw the thing

With it open their chest up and redid their metaphysical dna and replace their Darkness with light and on on on you're like, all right. All right, whatever. I don't care. Fuck. It's like you're having a dream You know, like I don't want ayahuasca stories. It's like anytime. I'm conveying some story of some great vision I had and underneath like Some uh strong tea that I was drinking and I see the person's like eyes glazing over. I totally understand it It's like, you know, why not just pull out some soap? Yeah bubbles in front of him. It's like non different to me, right? But you know, um One thing that I noticed

Is that like when my dad was dying and I was applying some of the tools that came from neem krolibaba From his teachings to comfort my father Because I really didn't really talk to my dad at all about neem krolibaba but what I did do is I Was with him in the moment and I was Giving him as much as I could what he needed In that moment to gracefully transition. Yeah

And my father in that moment met neem krolibaba without me mentioning it at all and so there's a one of the um In what way just in the in the pure blissfulness way or in the From seeing his son Who he is formerly known as a miscreant As someone who is like very selfish and self-absorbed or a retreater someone who like

retreats from problematic situations suddenly being there with him And doing and like loving him and expressing love and being in the moment But not like trying to shove him Towards love or make him open his eyes to just use a chance for this and for you to I need that just in being the My dad saw it And that thing is to me that is neem krolibaba

It's like the visions are beautiful and the stories I've heard about him I do believe them and I think they're real and I don't understand how that works But it it's real but to me What's impressive about this being Is that because of this man in a blanket I was able to comfort my father who was dying. That's so cool. That's to me the guru, you know, and um There's a saying and I can't remember which guru said this which is

I give them I give them what they want So that they'll take what I give Which is the miracles and stuff are of They're the they're I guess you could say the bait And this wonderful trap in fact an opposite the opposite of a trap

Which is we're drawn to them. What the fuck he's telepathic opposite of trapping that it's a release. Yeah. Yeah It's the maybe you could say it's the lure that gets us out of the trap Oh, that's cool. So he puts these lures out and it's like, oh my god. He could translocate. What the fuck I can't be real and the best is when he would fake it for some people that not didn't deemed worthy, but it was more about Making sure that rom dos isn't using him as a parlor trick. You know that story where he's like saying like, oh, you're from You're from canada and he's like, no, I'm actually from the states like oh, you're an engineer No, I'm actually a I'm a doctor and he just intentionally got everything wrong about getting it all the prediction And then he to him. He just thought it was just some old, you know sham

Right and that I you know all those stories and you know, I These people are my teachers And I love them and their stories of neem krolibaba. I like to listen to but to me what I love more than that Is that when I'm in their presence there is just this sense of compassion that Is so healing

The stories are fucking cool, man. Don't get they're awesome but man the stories are just the Very the flower. Yeah, but those roots they go so deep and um And I like it all I like the entire the the whole tree of the thing. I guess you could say, you know It's just like the fireworks the fireworks the fireworks You watch them. They're awesome. You know, they're cool. They're beautiful, but you still got to go home Yeah, the real thing is the not the firework machine. It's the guy at the machine that guy

That was my attempt at that or is it the bulb? You know, we don't we'll never know the answer But was it on was it on here where you had not jason louve? I think jason silva and it surprised me that he was Going down the very materialist route where he very much thinks that You know, it's it's all a trick of the brain and we need to do what we can to keep the brain Going and like he's very which there's truth to that but it surprised me how How bought into it he was well he that's his you know from his reality tunnel and I don't know where he's at now but his reality tunnel is

based on um Yeah, the concept weird that I do that where I'm like I'm referencing something that someone in the past Said and I'm trying to like make sure that that guy in the past isn't materialist because then that conflicts with my Wanting it to be not material. We don't want to get our heads chopped off I mean, this is a transhumanist concept of eternalizing the physical body Because there's no guarantee that after we die there's anything after that and they want to they want to you know They want to embody they want to be embodied in the material universe eternally As that form and because that's that's all they they based on their

The way that they're categorizing the universe is based on data From the material universe and physics and like they're they're the woo-woo stuff for them It's just like they're pretty skeptical of that. They're like, okay, okay, sure you take that bet But I'm if I can yeah, I want to keep my body going. I'm gonna keep it going. You know, it reminds me a little bit of uh People who figured out ways using MAO inhibitors to To um Make smoking DMT last longer. Oh, I think Shane might have done that. He did. Yeah with syrian roux That's the antidepressant, right? syrian roux an MAO inhibitor. I don't think it's an antidepressant

But it definitely like helps the dimethyl tryptamine stay in your body longer. This is same thing with ayahuasca You know, it's like the I feel like five minutes is enough Right five minutes is a lifetime right and some people think that a lifetime's enough Here in this particular Wonderful hallucinatory experience we call human incarnation, but some people are like, I want to stay high forever Yeah, these are the transhumanists. They want to stay here forever. They want their physical form to maintain They want their consciousness to maintain forever. And I think that's a testament to their love of life I don't agree with it. You know as far as I've always one of my favorite things about

LSD is coming down. It's like, holy god, that was fucking intense But Jesus the next day when everything's colorful and bright. Oh, yeah, you've done the work and you're like, wow, this is amazing That was incredible. You know, I like that Yeah, I'm definitely one of the people that looks forward to coming back like in the middle of the the trip Yeah, and I think that because there's so much to work with afterwards and I think maybe yeah, you and I both were workers we like to do and also not do but Like it would be you don't do this for money. You do this because you love it and for money probably

But you would probably still do this if there was no money anymore Oh, yeah, no question. If you didn't need it. If it was just Star Trek land, they figured out money There's a matter synthesis machine a holodeck. How depressing would that be if one day? I just like do a very short podcast opening where I'm like, hey guys Not making money on this anymore. This is the last episode And you'd probably never end this right because this isn't a show like Seinfeld world. Well, we did it. No, it's at the top We gotta leave it's like you're probably gonna always be doing this because this is just you communicating with the world And you having no, I don't know the conversation. Yeah, I love the conversation

I grow from it And it me too. It's it's it's it's the you're you're and I'm yeah you at what are you 24 apps into your podcast now Uh, yeah, so like you're experiencing. I'm sure the the reality of podcasting, which is that Uh, yeah, there is potential for Making money and but and there's potential for material success and there's potential for a lot of those things but really What is happening is it's a transformative medium. So you're sort of like every single conversation It's helping you become a better person

Yeah, people are drugs like and not even in a not even in a like, you know Neurochemistry sort of way that way too, but also in a way that they they change you just when you came on my show There's just there's a couple of things you said that just stuck with me from that day Like burned into my brain that really helped which you don't even probably remember Having saying I'm just something like like, oh, yeah, you're trying to squeeze out little love turds Like and just get as many out as as you can and it made me like just compare it to like, oh, yeah This like obsession this fetish fetish fetishization of Releasing whatever books or albums or or things as being the most important thing when really you

It's the it's the being it not that releasing stuff is bad either But just the getting caught up in it. It's it's a process And it's like there's moments in the process that grab our minds There's either the moment of success the moment of failure And worst the yeah the in between is the worst the nothing Yeah, all these things grab our attention and in the and so all of a sudden it's like now We're doing it for this reason or that reason And it's in it and and you know, again, it just it just infinitely goes back

To like, okay, okay Well, now I got lost pretty good in that pursuit of that thing or that or that worry over that But it all just keeps going back to okay, but now I'm here. Yeah, here we are. Oh, there it is. Yeah Oh, uh, did we talk about um, we this might be a repetition of a we've either talked about in real life or on a podcast or something But how you know, the earth never revisits its spot. Oh, yeah Yeah, so like movement. Yeah infinite movement. So if something takes place it literally takes that spot that now has that like if it's Writing onto a disc. It's got that spot twice brother. Yeah, that's it. And it's like and and that that's a very liberating thing You know, it's a liberating thing. It's just

The idea is back to the moment. It's like here we are We're fucking dropping weird dyes neurological dyes into the clear water of self And that's an interesting thing to look at it's like, whoa, what fucking colors am I dropping in my water? Why am I? Always nervous Why am I always angry? Why am I always remembering these things? But then more importantly

Who is remembering who is dying the water? Who is the one experiencing? Yeah, and these you know questions, uh, I think are tricks mnemonic devices gifs various ways to get our fingers a little more pried off of the electrical fence of the Various things that are we get attached to and you know, hold on tightly. Let go lightly Yeah, what a beautiful way to end the show

How could people find you? You can go to remain nasir.com or rainbow brains skull.com Instagram is the most active one. Just remain nasir on Instagram and Where do you go up these days and comedy wise I do a show at The at alternate universe in echo park. This is in los angeles and I do uh like 15 minute animated Intro, uh, I'd love to have you on sometime and not to put you on the spot on the ask on there Grief hiatus from stand up. I'd love to make that. How long have you taken because I've I've been doing that too like taking

And it's it's good hearing other people talk about being You know taking a break. Don't use me as a reference. I'm a lazy car Okay, like jarad karmichael like jarad karmichael was asked how often he's been on stage this year and he's like I think I've gone up Two and a half times and he's like I'm just more about hanging out in music studios nowadays And just other people like I don't want to out them or anything in case they don't want to be seen as an Unactive stand up, but I've been seen as this kind of person to some people that they come to me for advice Like you're you're good at not putting what you do in a box and doing all the things

I'm interested in taking a break from stand up and doing this. What do you think of this thing? And meanwhile, I was thinking I was being a failure at stand up but to answer your question Yeah, alternate universe is my show that I do to plug in other places that I might be Let's see a dynasty typewriter plug the new dynasty typewriter theater the west side comedy theater in Santa Monica My friends go see this genius perform and definitely check out his art on his website brother. Thank you so much Thank you, man. It's been a pleasure. Thank you. Thank you all so much for listening to this episode of the dtfh which Just got an award I'm opening the envelope up right now from the american awards department

And wow yet again uh The dtfh was awarded best podcast Of the week, uh, and that's been happening for about three years now. So I'm so I couldn't do this without my wonderful writers. Thank you so much gregg or michelson enormous, thank you to terry and of course

lady Is not only a wonderful writer, but one of my dearest friends I want to thank you guys so much for writing the scripts for this And also, of course a big thank you to ramine nasir for uh flying over here in this hot air balloon and Doing this episode all the links you need to get to him will be at dunkartrezzled.com along with the links to charlotte's web to square space and Uh, of course, uh, there will be several missing links

There which uh, everybody's looking for them, but when you find them you realize that there's a reason they are missing I hope you guys have an incredible weekend week year millennia Century and of course if you enjoy this podcast Don't forget to pet a dog and kiss it on His or her sweet sweet wet nose for me. Thank you so much Until next time

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