Duncan Trussell Family Hour - 381: Sean Glaze AKA Lord Spew

Episode Date: April 25, 2020

Sean Glaze, alias Lord Spew, brilliant artist and storyboard artist on The Midnight Gospel, joins the DTFH! You can check out Lord Spew's site here, and follow him on Twitter, Instagram, Youtube, and Twitch. Duncan's new show, The Midnight Gospel, is out now on Netflix! Click here to watch it. This episode is brought to you by: Squarespace - Use offer code: DUNCAN to save 10% on your first site. Feals - Visit feals.com/duncan and get 50% off and FREE shipping on your first order.

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If you're coming here for Midnight Gospel, welcome. Thank you for trying out the podcast, and thank you for watching the show. Friends, my sweet regular listeners, can you believe this has happened? This is crazy. When we were making this show, you know, I didn't, I loved it, and my mind was constantly being blown

by working with the artists I was working with and seeing what the show was turning into, but I didn't expect that it would be so well received. I figured it would be at least a little bit more polarizing. I don't mean that in the sense of like beating myself up over it or anything like that, but holy shit, this is incredible. And you know, I've been trying to do this intro now.

This is probably like the, at least the 12th time I've done this intro, and I've gone from like a terrible, like really, really dry lecture on grief during the apocalypse. Ooh, and then I sort of reverted into absurdity and tried to do like some absurdist songs about blenders that reverse things back into their form or form. And you know, one, these are the polarities that I'm always trying to find some balance between

because one part of me really does just want to do like a two hour long analysis of like comparing the grief process to the death of default reality or the first time you see like a wrinkle in your mom's face that you didn't notice before, like one of your parents exhibits some kind of like, you know, indication that they're moving into old, old age, that thing, you know?

But fuck that, I don't wanna do that right now. I don't wanna do that. And then also, I don't necessarily feel like doing some kind of bonkers commercial for a blender that turns things you blended up back into their former form. You know, I gotta find some place in between, which is usually the truth. And I always know that if I find myself doing

some dry ass fucking preachy correctional lecture on this or that, that I'm not really telling the truth. And I also know sometimes, not all the time, if I'm doing like singing like about whipped cream clowns, tap dancing on the nipples of God, then more than likely there's a little thread of something that I'm somehow afraid to talk about. And I think the thing that I'm embarrassed about right now

is how obsessed I am with reading what people think about the Midnight Gospel and with the joy I feel about having a show come out that people actually like. Because I'm like, you know, a Gen Xer and I got really pounded into my brain from a variety of geniuses who I truly respect that slippery slope between creating stuff and getting caught up in the, you know,

as I say in the Bhagavad Gita, you have a right to your action. You do not have a right to the fruits of your action. And that, you know, the moment your mind gets caught up and whatever is the result of something you've done, then generally that means that whatever you're doing right now is not fully you. You're not fully present there.

Now, not to say that if you have some success or something, you're not allowed to celebrate it or whatever. It's just like, this is my own neurosis, but that's the thing, I am overjoyed. And maybe also because this awful pandemic is happening, I feel a little bit of guilt about that. Because so then that's when I really have been getting dishonest as I'm trying to express right now,

maybe a little bit more unhappiness and I'm actually feeling in some dark attempt to like sync up with a perceived horror that everyone is feeling, which I don't even know if that's happening. And actually the other day I'm like texting with a friend of mine, I'm like, are you okay? He's like, I'm fine, any minute.

And then I realized like, I'm actually okay too. Why am I trying to do this like imaginary like, oh my God thing, not that that's not there. Like for sure, from time to time, I feel like one of those skulls getting run over by that tank at the beginning of the Terminator. You know, just this claustrophobic, but a lot of the time I don't feel that,

a lot of the time I just feel normal. And most of the time I feel like things are gonna get better for us. And I don't think my job is to go bugling some kind of like, everything's gonna be good, who the fuck? I don't know if everything's gonna be great. I'm also on Reddit conspiracy, looking up the comet impact stuff.

You know, it just terrifies the shit out of me, especially if I've been blast and weed sprays. Don't recommend that. Regardless, one thing I would like to say to you, my sweet new listeners is welcome. And to those of you who have stuck in there, who've been there with me, stuck in there, is I stuck it out?

What is this? I guess my podcast is a kind of marathon. We've been through a lot together. And to like, share with you this beautiful animated series that my podcast is the dialogue of, and to know that you've been there with me when it was happening, that is thrilling to me. And I am deeply, deeply indebted to you

for your companionship over the years and for the messages that you've sent me and for the tweets that you've sent me and for the surprise gifts that you've sent to me and some of my worst moments in my life and for some of the advice that y'all have given me. And it's just to like, to know that we're getting to share this together in some way is just glorious.

And I am so happy. That's the truth. God, I was, oh my God, I'm happy and I was trying to like act a little unhappy but that was the problem. There it is. That's the intro to this episode of the DTFH. We've got a glorious podcast for you today.

One of the storyboard artists from Midnight Gospel who is just a brilliant artist, Sean Glaze is here with us today. We're gonna jump right into it but first, some quick business. A huge thank you to Fields for sponsoring this episode of the DTFH. My loves, I am a massive CBD fan.

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master rating is one of the storyboard artists on the night gospel. Array would be his website, lordspune.com. That's L-O-R-D-S-P-E-W.com has been given seven beautiful, amazing, princely darling teeth awards for the last 12 years. She's a mind-blowing protrusion of some incredible blastout that is fear proof that we exist in something

that must be right next to paradise. Everyone, open those sweet arms, flap your fins, do a double back thrice thrice, and welcome to the DTFH, Sean Blaze, a.k.a. Lord Spee. Welcome upon you, that you are with us. Shake hands, glory to be blue. Welcome to you.

It's the Duncan Trussell family. Sean Blaze, thank you for coming on the DTFH. I mean, it's a pleasure to be here. Thank you for having me. I am clutching. And are you recording on your end? Are you recording? I am recording on my end currently.

I'm clutching my hands so that I don't touch any of my equipment, so I don't fuck something up. I'm recording on Zoom as doing a terrible recording or whatever it does, so that's great. You're recording on your end, fantastic. So, you know, man, when I got lucky, like I've been doing all these interviews and I keep describing myself as like Dick Cheney's plumber.

He got invited to the Bohemian Grove. And because one of the cool realizations when I was learning about animation that I had, it was like, oh, wow, this is like comedy. Like this is inside baseball. This is a world that you don't just get to be part of. It takes a long time to get in here. And I think that helped me a little bit

just because I at least had a map for what that sort of thing looks like, which is anytime there's an art form that people wanna learn how to do, there is some wall that appears between the place where you wanna do it and the place where you can pay your rent off of doing it. And you're one of the first like artists

that I met with Midnight Gospel. And you know, you saw me when I was completely brand new to the thing. And like you taught me so much, man, about writing comedy because the way you write comedy is via drawing, you know? And so all I wanna say, and I know, this is like tooting your horn and I apologize.

No, I mean, thank you. I appreciate it. I appreciate the symphony of horns getting tooted over my way. This is my stroke, queuing up the orchestra. I appreciate it. And also, I feel like when I'm tooting your horn, I'm not just tooting your horn.

In some way, I'm tooting the whole animation industry's horn, sort of, which is that I don't think people out in the world recognize what a bizarre ecosystem is bringing them all the cartoons and animation that they love. I mean, is a different sort of writing completely? I mean, like it goes hand in hand in some ways with like normal, I guess, comedy, live action,

film writing or sketch writing. But it's also with the added implication that we have to make the characters and the setting and the scene. And not only that, is everyone can do things that nobody can do in real life. Right. And so there's this added sort of like anything is possible,

anything is possible. And I think that makes it alien. Like I've worked with sketch writers before and sometimes they end up being limited and like they're still writing sketch for live action and they just want like cartoons to do it. And it ends up feeling a little different. It's more about like, it's paying attention to,

it's not only the joke, but how they're saying it and the faces that they're making and the timing of the delivery and like something could happen that's not even possible and that dictates what the camera is on to tell that joke. I mean, there's a lot. I mean, I think you adapted really well.

I think that the biggest thing is just being flexible and on your end bringing that story and that experience on your end and that voice you have and your ability to talk and just improv and being able to give yourself over to, oh, okay, like, I mean, this is like 150 people that are gonna touch this after I touch it. You know, like letting it, like setting it for,

I mean, it reminds me of sort of how meme culture works. Like it's like you make, like I could make a GIF right now and I could put it online and that thing's not mine anymore. Like once the internet gets ahold of it, like yeah, I drew it, but that's not mine anymore. And the jokes evolve as, you know, people put new text under it each time they send it off and it's like this evolving life form

in this weird ecosystem that is the, like, internet. Sean, do you remember the, it wasn't an argument. Do you remember the disagreement we had of whether or not Clancy should drink from that statue-headed thing? Do you remember that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember you. Will you talk about it?

Will you talk about it? Cause like I want to talk about that. I just want to talk about that moment. Yeah, I mean, I think it was, it was one of the first times I met you and we were pitching episode one, the boards that we had done and we were pitching jokes. And there was a part where after Dr. Drew gets

his two cups of hot cocoa from the president's head, which was part of the scene that I had done, I had Clancy pick up the whole statue and start to drink it. And I think at the time, you like, I think maybe you had thought you had been interpreting it as like mean-spirited or something, like, oh, he's taking the whole thing and he's going off.

And there was some sort of argument that we had where I was fighting for the gag. And I guess from your point of view, you were like the creator of the show who had never met me before. And I was telling you like, no, but maybe it does work. And like, maybe we can tweak it or like, maybe we tweak it or maybe we can figure out

like what his motive actually is and why he would do that or whatever. And I mean, and I could tell that you were sort of like, who the fuck is this guy? But also, I think that that's why we ended up getting along is because we could both sort of pitch these jokes and explain why we did it. I loved it.

I hated that you were, I was like, it was, it was awesome. Because like, there were two things that, two things were happening simultaneously. Pendleton's so brilliant because he didn't prep me at all. He just like threw me in the deepest end of the pool you go into.

He chose you. He assembled this like team of geniuses to make this. And first of all, I don't even know how he chose me because he had, I mean, he's worked on Adventure Time all these years and he has all these amazing artists to work with. And when I was on that first team, I was like, why am I on this first team?

Like, I was like, what's happened? But I mean, I'm really thankful that like Pendleton, I can tell that he's somebody who loves finding new artists to work with. I don't, you know, I wish I could recall the process. I don't remember, like, I don't, and honestly, I don't, I don't know. I don't know how we keep.

It's because I had worked with Tony before. He was the producer. Well, whatever it might, you know, this is what I love about the entirety of the show is I think all of us are scratching our heads being like, who made this thing? I don't know how it happened. But I remember that moment.

And as far as like animation goes, I always look at that. I look at that moment in the way that I look at my first open mic doing standup comedy, which is that that was a humbling moment for me in the sense that like, what you might have seen is like, who is this guy was really you witnessing me trying to like get some, I don't know,

any kind of footing in the completely new world that I didn't understand at all. And like, no, like trusting Penn and trusting Titmouse and knowing that, okay, okay, probably if I'm looking at this thing and not liking it and like feeling wrong about it, it could be that it's just not right for the moment, but it could also be that I don't know what I'm doing.

You know what I mean? I mean, I guess that's always the fear. That's always the lurking, the sneaking suspicion that lays deep down within our guts. That's like, like, you're faking your way through this, you don't know what you're doing. But this is why we need teams. I mean, this is the reality of a team is it's like,

yeah, no shit, you don't know what you're doing. What, like literally like the answer from the universe to that feeling could be, well, duh, when was the last animated show you made? When was the last time you even tried to do, like animate anything? Do you even know how that works? Do you understand what a key frame is or any of that?

And how much time have you spent with that in like your life? Like three hours? You know, like four? You know, like so, so, so that's where the, that's, you know, in Greek mythology, what fucks people up is hubris, which is like you have this pride that's based on nothing. And to me, in that interaction with you,

where there was tension and I was like, hey, move, Clancy, we'll do that. That was the beginning of my learning about. Am I the guy who's falling around Caesar going, you're just a man? Like, yeah, thank God, thank God. No, no, man, I mean, but that's, that's, I guess me coming a little bit from like storyboard driven

animated shows like, like regular show or Pickle and Peanut or whatever. Like it's like the storyboard artists on Midnight Gospel. Like we weren't writing all of the dialogue, but there's so much visual comedy that it ended up turning into a little bit of a storyboard driven show. I mean, we're getting an outline and we're using your podcast and we're pitching all these jokes.

And so I think that sometimes if a joke isn't working or if you feel like it's strong enough to fight for, sometimes you fight for it and then you can figure out, okay, I see where they're coming from. Maybe that, maybe we can twist like one thing that happens in the scene before where they look at each other a different way or he, I mean, he does a goofy face while he does it

or whatever, you know, like there's a variety of things to remedy and compromise on any of these situations. Which I didn't know. That I think are really interesting. I didn't know that. Like I didn't, like I'm like going off of some kind of like, like really naive and potentially self-destructive impulse. Like it's the difference between empiricism

and the stuff that gets witches burn at the stake. You know, it's like, at some point you have to look at like, wait, why are these instincts I'm having real? Or are- I think that for everybody, it's an ego check. It's, I mean, like I had that scene in the first episode originally when they escaped into the woods. I had pitched and storyboarded and pitched all these gags

for a whole scene where Dr. Drew is doing like a cooking show with what he's making and he's making food out of bugs and like Clancy is getting stung by a hive of bees. And like, and the thing is, is with all of these jokes that you make, you put everything into it and you hope that it works, but you also have to do it, realizing that like when you pitch it,

that whole scene might get cut and that's fine. And that's the thing is like, if I hadn't stood up for that joke and say if Penn had come in and said like, no, I think, I mean, I think Duncan's right. And I would have switched gears and said like, okay, how can we fix this situation and still make it funny to both me and you?

And I mean, that's the nature of all this. The professional aspect of it is that you have to do that, but thank God, you were right, man. Thank God I didn't win that argument. Cause that's one of my favorite moments in the show. That moment to me encapsulates Clancy. That's what he's like. That is him.

Like to me, I mean, he's escaped into the simulator. He's like trying to take in everything that he can and absorb things from this world that he can, these new things. And as long as, I mean, one thing that we ironed out pretty early is that other people are killing these zombies or whatever,

but he's not. He's not malicious, but he is sort of like this, almost like Bakas or like taking in the grapes and taking in the fruits of this world and basking in the interview and the knowledge that this other person is giving. And in that way,

he's entirely like present in what's going on. Like he's not thinking about what's happening at home. He's thinking about, he's like right now when he's taking everything. I mean, I think that, I think you're right. I think that it's funny that, but it's funny that something like that,

something as small as that in just a storyboard or a drawing or whatever, that can end up changing things elsewhere in the series. I mean, like we saw that over and over again, like with Charlotte, the dog. Like, I don't know if you remember this part of it, but originally Charlotte, the dog was just pitched. He, Pendleton, when I was boarding the pool scene,

when they were playing pool, Pendleton just threw a gif over at me. He just drew a dog and the pool balls were sliding under the dog. And I was like, whoa, this dog is cool. And so when they had to escape, I was like, what if Dr. Drew climbs on the dog and all the pool balls come out from under it

and it makes all the zombies slip. And then that turned into them riding that dog. And then we were like, oh, this dog's cool. Let's bring the dog back. And then the dog, I don't know at what point we figured out that things would come out of the simulator, but that dog ended up being in every episode. And it's just based off of one drawing,

one character building thing. But it's based off of one drawing and so many different people encountering that and making slight decisions, big decisions, little, commenting, whatever. This to me has been the psychedelic joy of the Midnight Gospel, which is like, you know, there's a really, to me, I kind of like,

I think this is the kind of saying that people who are trying to rationalize their lack of practice might say, which is the hand who holds the brush is not always the painter. Because, you know, it's a double-edged sword. Any great spiritual saying is a double-edged sword. But you could bypass your own like,

yeah, no, actually that person holding the brush was the fucking painter. You just sat there and like said three things and the person their entire life who studied art made a really great thing. There's all kinds of ways you could break that. I mean, you could essentially say that the person inside the flesh body

that's holding the pencil, like piloting a little like mech, megazord thing is actually the one that's controlling the body and doing the pen. And then with the painting have come into existence if he had not perceived the world that was around him. Like there's all sorts of ways that you could break down that, I don't know, that saying

and say like it's actually not he who painted the canvas. I mean, but that's true. I mean, this is to me like one of the like surreal and awesome things about having a show that comes out as you get to be interviewed, which is like, whoa, this is cool, I'm getting interviewed man. I mean, I've been doing comedy for like 70 years to finally get to do like a string of interviews

has been sadly, narcissistically satisfying. You know, I'm like, oh my God, I'm getting interviewed. I guess that was worth it. You know, like- Well, it's weird because if you're doing, I mean, you know, you could do stand-up sets or you could like in conversations, you tell a joke or something, but when you come out with something like this,

this is like, it has a lot of weight to it. It has a lot of weight to it. I was talking to a buddy the other day about like, they were talking about how they vent too much online and they're an artist, but they write out things on Facebook or whatever, Twitter. And I think that they always regret it. They always regret being so reactionary.

And so I was talking to them about like, maybe you need to like put yourself through this like, this process of like, okay, you have the thing that you wanna react to at face value, the emotional reaction to try putting yourself through, okay, try writing that thing. And now is that thing good enough or valuable enough for you to make a short, the three panel comic of it?

If it's not, then does that really need to go into the world? And so, like he's been drawing things out and sometimes he'll get to the end of drawing it and be like, I'm actually tired of this idea. It's not that good. And sometimes it is, but that's, but when you actually like, I guess what I'm trying

to say is sometimes when something comes together like this, it's one of the big indicators that it meant something real. Like it wasn't a fleeting idea. It was something that made it through like almost a full year of people thinking about it. Yeah, yeah. And people being open to doing ego checks, you know,

like to me, like, I don't like the term ego check because it sounds like something out of hockey or something. Yeah, yeah, no. Ego, ego check, check yourself. Check yourself, okay. But like, one of the things I started waking up to somewhere through this production was that, like whatever I thought I was or my idea

of what Midnight Gospel was or what any of this was going to be was just one tiny piece of a much bigger thing that was a lot of connections and that, you know, right now the way we like look at creation is really kind of like, you know, like it's primate level shit, man. Like, I made that because I did that. And to me, like there's a whole can of worms

associated with that realization, which is like, man, I don't know who made this. But like, you know, me and Penn, we sat together and we sort of built this. But did we even build the world? Like in my most stoned moments, I'm like, did we make the Chromatic Ribbon? Or was it a Chromatic Antenna?

I did it, yeah. For all the hallucinogenic substances that you've had passed through your body, your show was made by a bunch of people that were sober. That, or, you know, they're on the clock. Oh, please. You know what I mean? You tell me those people aren't high.

Get out of here. Are you telling me anyways? I'm sure there were plenty of people that were high on that show. Let me tell you something. Maybe, I don't know, Sean, and maybe you know something I don't know. And then maybe what you know is the opposite

of what I imagined. But when I'm walking through Tipmouse and I'm looking at, like, animators, I'm thinking about me. If I had some ability to draw at all or some ability to do what you do. And I knew I was going into like a shadowy, alchemical technology temple

in the morning to make stuff. I'm definitely getting high in the morning. Like, there's not even. Well, let me, I don't know if you, I don't know if you, if you knew this about me. I'm straight edge. Did you know that about me? You know what's so awesome is about you

is like, you're such a wild, undomesticated creature that I haven't even gotten that far with you. Like, I don't know what the fuck you are, man. All I know is like, we get to have these great conversations. The sadness of this, not sadness, but the problem is with this particular episode, the lead up to it has been turbulence

because of the goddamn pandemic. And because the show coming out and like, and somewhere in there, we've had all these great conversations. The only thing I can compare you to, I'll tell you what I can compare you to as far as sobriety or whatever goes, there was, and I can't even say his name, honestly,

but it's the closest I comparison I have to you is that one of my best friends in the world, Emil Amos, we were friends in college. He ended up being the drummer for this band called Sleep. And he has a band- Sleep is sick. I love sleep. Yeah.

There's a song in one of the credits that sounds very- Yeah, I know, no, that was completely, completely inspired by sleep. There was like, that was, I love sleep. And drummers, Emil's a drummer for that band and like, I've been to their shows and it's like, it's a religious experience.

I mean, it's a whole other thing, yeah. It is, it's not mute. It's like, you can call, it's a band or whatever, fine. You can call it that if you want to, but it's like, it's something that's like pouring out of another dimension. And when you're there, you're like,

for a second you get to be, you get to realize we're a lot bigger than we think we are. And that's what sleep is. But Emil, I got lucky because I ran into him in college and he had sort of been lucky enough to make contact with someone that I won't say his name because he wants to be anonymous.

And this is like one of the smartest people I've ever met. You know, like Ramdas, the thing with like Ramdas and like, you know, all the people who met even Crowley Baba or whatever, is they get to say his name. They're like, oh yeah, we met this guy who was like enlightened or what. There's this someone we met that we,

that is so like, so intently not wanting to be known that like, we don't even talk about him. I mean, that's the opposite of that ego check, right? That's this person that, I mean, I mean, that's, that's. But you remind me of that guy. That's cool. Oh man.

That's what I'm saying. He's like, you're like, you remind me of that guy. And like you, but you like, you're also like, it's like, okay, I get it. Like you're like something floating in some other dimension and you're poking into this dimension kind of and the way you're poking into it is beautiful. It's your art.

But like something about, like you have made the decision like I'm gonna be a professional. Like I'm gonna, I'm gonna have a professional career. You know, you hear so funny when Tibetan Buddhism or in Buddhism, you hear about these, like there's a lot of people meditating in caves, man. And like, sometimes like some of them like get the signal that they're the one

that's supposed to come out of the cave and give some transmission and nine times out of 10, they don't want to do it. They're like, I just want to don't, I don't want to be the one. You know what man? I feel like I started doing it for fun. And then the career was just running parallel

and then at some point they merged. Yeah. Because I still, I mean, like anytime I'm on a show, I'm still just making my stuff for fun. But that's what I loved about you. But I mean, that's what, I mean, I love it. I love it. That's what I realized about you, by the way.

I realized that about you. That was like where, that's where, I don't even know if you know we connected that level. That's where I realized like, that's a wild animal. Like I don't know what, I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. I think it's probably smart of me. Well, I mean, I think that you're another person

that has this compulsion to make. Like you like, you wait, you wait, I feel like you wake up and you need to make something. I mean, even if making something is talking, like having a conversation, like you release enough, I guess content is a word that not everybody likes, but you release enough things and music and art, I would say, that I can tell that you're somebody

that needs to do it. I mean, you want to do it, but you also need to do it. And there are some people like that, and I'm like that, and I think Penn is like that. I think that Penn is somebody that I can tell that it seemed like he wanted to back away from having a show, but keeps making other shows. Like on Adventure Time, he relinquished it,

I guess, being a show runner to write and storyboard on it, but still started to make others. I mean, there are some people that just have to do it. And I mean, going back to what you had said before about, I guess, the ego check and being communal or whatever, I think that Evan was talking to Penn at one point, and Evan was, because Evan's a huge fan of Penn, has always been, and he was like,

how does it feel to have this show that everybody loves? And Penn was just like, I don't feel like it's my show, I feel like I just made a show with my friends. And I think that's what you're talking about. You end up feeling like, oh, I mean, yeah, it's Penn and Duncan's Midnight Gospel, but how you feel is that it was a bunch of friends making a crazy show, and it's almost like you're traveling.

I mean, one of the only ways that you can travel through 120 artists' minds and psyches and weird dreams. Yeah, that's where it's not fair, right? Like to me, that's where our quantification mechanisms, not just from a capitalist perspective, but from all perspectives, reveal themselves to be like the way chimps are banging rocks against something. It's like, man, yeah, sure, okay.

I'll say, I love, from an ego-driven level, it's like, yeah, me and Penn. Oh yeah, we made this show. But it's like, why do we even, that's a lie. Like, no, we didn't. Who the fuck made this? Like, who holds the brush? And that question is going to haunt

the next 50 years of human evolution, I think. It's like, that stupid fucking question is the question. Because it's like, from a universal scale, it's like, who made us? Where do we come from? And then from the individual scale, it gets deeper and deeper until you end up in this like crazy web of like legal like realities

that is the creative process. I hadn't thought about it, I hadn't thought about it. In that terms, for most of my life, but I remember when I first started dating my girlfriend, my girlfriend is a very proud communist and she was talking about- Hold on, what? If you-

I don't mean to cut you off, I don't mean to cut you off. Guys, we're going to cut to commercial right now. What did you just say? What did you say, man? I'm saying that my girlfriend, she's a proud communist. And she's talking to me- Honestly, I'm going to stop here and do the most idiotic fake commercial for like missiles.

But hold on, I've got to pee, honestly, I have to pee. I'm going to just- Yeah, do it, do it, do it, do it. Don't hit pause, just let it roll though, right? Like let it keep recording. I'm going to let it roll. Okay, great, great. This is such a good podcast, thank you.

I got to pee, I'm sorry, thank you. Hey, Sean, are you there? Yeah. I just want you to know that when I just peed, I pissed blood and it looked like Karl Marx and I blame that on your girlfriend. I blame that on your girlfriend. It's a sign and an omen.

It hurt. It's contagious. No, it hurt, it just, it hurt, it hurt, it hurt. I pissed death, wait, so your girlfriend is a what? So my girlfriend is a communist. You need to find communist. Define communist? Yeah.

I'm not sure if I'm the best person to do that, but from my understanding, she's somewhere. From my understanding, it's when giving everything over to the working class people and taking away things from the ruling class and having the government be ruled by the working class. But I'm sure, I'm... He's caught on fire!

He's caught on fire! What I wanted to say is what we're talking about as far as this show is, it's very communist. It's very, I mean, like this idea, and the reason why I brought it up is because when we first started dating, she was talking about, so what happens if you ever get a show?

And I was talking to her about, well, I mean, I guess I would own that IP and I would be the showrunner, and she brought a lot of things into question that I think that from what you're saying, it makes me think about a lot, is this idea of if everybody worked on this thing and what you said, you hardly feel like you own it or whatever, like how I would act in that position,

and it's something that I had never thought about or encountered before as this collaboration. And it was a worldview that I hadn't really come into contact with, which was like, if I'm making this show, there are people out there that don't even believe in this intellectual property and someone owning that, and it really being this collaboration where someone doesn't own that thing,

everybody, like this true essence of I made this thing with my friends and it's everybody's. Not supposed to go there, Sean. Those are the forbidden realms. And like, it's the forbidden realm, and I love the conversation because it hits into the forbidden realm. And all silliness aside, there is a thing in me

that, the closest, I've gone to Burning Man a few times and that's called a quote, gifting economy, meaning that you can't go to Burning Man and buy a t-shirt with money. Like if someone at Burning Man were selling t-shirts, it would be a really bad day for that person because like, the whole festival would collapse onto them in the most horrific way, I imagine,

and they wouldn't be able to sell any. You can't sell things there. There's two things that you can buy at Burning Man. Ice and coffee. After that, it's fucking up for grabs. And so, this thing happens in the desert once a year, which is happening this year and I'm very sad about that because I was so looking forward to this year

on every level of my soul. This thing happens in the desert where a bunch of people get together and they put themselves in a place where no one can survive alone. And I remember the first time I went there. Have you ever been? I haven't. Ooh, we gotta go, baby.

I promise you. Baby. I don't know, I've been saying that a lot of times. That reality seems so distant. No, not to me. Not to me. From now. A reality where we can leave our houses.

That shrieking baby that you just heard was like a micro-orgasm of me connecting with a multiverse where you and I are at Burning Man. You just literally heard, like, whatever is the thing we can't see, the tendril or probisci, shooting out and connecting to you and me being at Burning Man together. We're there.

We're gonna do it. I'm telling you. Like an avatar when you connect your ponytails and you have sex. No, no, no! Why don't we connect? Just like that! I don't mind the sex parts, okay,

but why do we have to connect our ponytails? This is so fucked up. I mean, it's all like in tendrils, tendrils, ponytails, I don't see the difference in mine. There's a big difference between tendrils and ponytails! Not to me, like, see, I- Pull up the definitions. Pull up the Wikipedia.

This is great. Everybody's gonna be like, yo, Duncan's in the alt-right. He thinks- Yo, Duncan hates ponytails! Duncan's in the alt-right! He thinks tendrils are different from the ponytails! Yo, it's tendril gate.

It's ponytail gate. Ha ha ha ha ha! Exactly! Well, listen, you and me and your girlfriend and my wife are gonna be a burning man, and we're gonna have to deal with it. And the funny thing, the problem with communism is like, you got this like word, which even you saying it,

I mean, you're responding- The gas, right? Well, it killed a billion people. You wanna say the word that killed a billion people? Oh, hold on a minute, didn't you see what the billion people said? And it's like, you say a word like that. How many people have capitalism killed?

You know what I mean? But within it, the whole thing is like, as interestingly enough, connected to this problem of like, look, you know, you look at a monkey. I don't know if you've seen these videos, man, but like they're sweet- A monkey video?

Yeah, I've seen these videos. Have you seen the 700 monkey videos? Yeah. No, there's a thing that like, I don't know if it just started, or if they just realized it was happening. This is a weird thing like, I think it's chimps are doing,

where they take a stone and they're like throwing it in front of a tree. And like, these chimps are doing this thing that looks ceremonial, or it means something to them that we don't understand. Like, what is it? What are they doing? Are they voting?

Are they praying? Are they, what is it? We don't know, we don't know what it is, but it's organized, but it doesn't like, based on like, you know, normal evolutionary principles, or like, we gotta find a place to have shelter and food, or none of it makes sense.

But they're doing this thing. It's like, what is that? What is that? It's something to do with sentience, you know? And anytime you take that, and try to shove it into a word, a number, or to quantify it, you absolutely dilute it, don't you?

You absolutely, there is no way that... You either dilute it, or you make it, I mean, you could make it stronger with a word too, but I think that anytime you express it with one, anytime you express a whole theology, or a whole theory, or a whole, you know, belief system with one word, yeah, I mean, of course, it's an oversimplification

the same way as anything else. But I guess, my main reason for, I guess, bringing that up is like, with how you were talking about everything feeling communal, I was just curious about what your reaction to that sort of thinking is. This sort of, like, what if we lived in a society where you, we didn't have that,

like, I made this thing, I own it. Man, what a relief. Like, to me, in Buddhism, they say life is suffering, and the cause of that suffering is attachment. And it's like, God, anytime I find myself like getting jealous, who are you talking to? You know, anytime I'm like, find myself in a weird place with like my wife,

or I'm like, who are you talking to? My wife. My wife. My wife. You don't have to be, anytime I'm like, oh. My wife. That's my wife. That's my wife.

That's my wife, you're talking to your buster. Yeah, any of those moments, it's like, whoa, what have I become? And anytime I'm like in that space of this is mine, you know, there's pain associated with it. This is not a trumpeting of like, oh, therefore we must become communists. I'm just saying like, owning something is painful.

Property hurts. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think it spreads across multiple systems of thinking in one way or another. I mean, whether Buddhism or whatever, but like, I guess, is it like, I mean, are we the chimps who like, I have this, or I have this bundle of bananas, and then the other chimp comes over

and bashes my brains in with a rock for my bananas, and it's like, you don't own those anymore, and we're all fighting over what we own. I mean. It's insane. You know, is that what? It gets worse than that. Because it's not even bananas anymore.

It's like, a lot of times, the things people are fighting over, like, pictures. My wife. My name and my wife, a picture of my wife. You know, like, that to me is one of the most bizarre genres of porn, come-tributes. You know, where someone like. Come-tributes.

Yeah, someone like, comes on a picture of someone, and says, oh, it's a come-tribute. I mean, it's very, it's very, was that chaos magic? What is that? Yeah, it's very, it's very ritualistic. It's some kind of, you know what it is? It's some kind of, like, tumor on, it's like a tumor. It's like, your, your progenitive impulse

is landing on a symbol of a thing that didn't consent to get come on it. And somewhere in there is a maelstrom of, like, madness that is, like, to me, cancerous or something, you know? It's like, well, what is, we're, we're, we're confusing reality with symbol sets, you know? And which is, and God, forgive me for saying this, I'm sorry, which is why I love Burning Man,

because that's reality. You're in the fucking desert. There's, we have to, if we're gonna be out here in the middle of nowhere, we all have to, like, connect in a way that isn't based on symbols anymore, that we, you need water. I mean, it's meant to be an equalizer. It's like everyone's going in there with, supposedly,

is, it's themselves and their ability to help another person or, right? Well, that's the idea, it's self-reliance. Like, the idea isn't so much that, like, oh, I'm gonna give everything I have to everybody. For sure, for sure, yeah. It's really, for every time I've been there, this is what has happened.

I go there and I'll always have a cooler that has within it some stash, strawberries. I don't know what, some shit that I think, like, this is gonna be for me and my lady, are we gonna enjoy these in the privacy of our little, private little thing and then, what happens, naturally. Not enforced, not shoved upon us by some authoritarian tyrannier.

Not like, you better give your shit away. Suddenly, what you begin to realize, like, if I give one of these strawberries to somebody who just helped me build this tent or who just walked with me in the desert for a little while or just someone who's got, like, who's really cool, I enjoyed a conversation with, there's, like, a 30% chance,

they're just gonna start crying. Oh. You know what I mean? You're telling me it's not somebody coming up to your tent and is, like, oh, I see you and your wife for eating strawberries off of each other. I was wondering if I could have one of those, too. Is it like that or is it?

No, no, no, there's no, there's no, there's no, like. I'm trying to eat a strawberry off of you, Duncan. Dark force pushing this kind of reality. It's just, you know, the best way to put it is this. I will, like, fill a bottle with milk and I'll give it to my baby. And I don't want, man, you know, at seven at night, I don't want milk.

There's no part of my body that's, like, man, I really could use a little sip of cold milk right now. That'd be real nice. But you know what my baby does? He'll just spontaneously push the milk bottle up to me so I can take a sip of the milk. He's not reading Karl Marx. Inside of him is a natural inclination to share.

That's in him. It's not regulated. There's no government telling him how much of the milk he has to share. There's no baby network of babies around the planet. It's like, don't share too much with your dad because you don't share enough with your daddy. Won't love you.

There's no stock market for milk sharing among babies and dads. It's a primordial, perfect, garden of Eden-level impulse that holds within it a kind of hold on, which has the map of the garden of Eden inside of it. And so anytime in this realm we're in, we start trying to push that shit into words. Suddenly we're saying, oh, are you a communist? And it's like, no, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not a communist.

My baby is not a communist. My baby is not a capitalist. My baby just likes milk and fruit and also likes to share. So to me, you know what I'm saying? Like somewhere in that elemental primordial furnace of togetherness that is society, there must be some way of calibrating things that isn't going to rob us of our souls.

I mean, I think that any of these philosophies that are trying to really boil everything down to, I guess, like a faith in human nature, like a faith, I mean, whether it's Buddhism or Taoism or whether it's the initial, you know, thought behind communism, despite the connotation that it might have with certain people, I think that any of these philosophies

that are trying to say, just at the very core of it, people are good in nature, people want to share, society would be better if sharing was encouraged. I mean, I think that there's at least merit in thinking about any of that stuff, even if you don't subscribe to one, just strictly one belief system or a label or whatever, I still think that they're interesting things to thought.

And for that same reason, the girlfriend that I was talking about before, I appreciate that she challenges me to think outside of, I mean, like that stuff I'd never thought about in my whole life, my whole life I've thought about, like I own my art, my art is my life and my ownership and that's my, it's my identity, it's what I identify myself with and I commodify it.

And I say like, how much am I worth, like by how much my art is worth or whatever. And I think that, I mean, it all boils down to like, I guess, what's, you know, if money was taken away or whatever, why would you do the thing that you still do all the time and why would you do it? And if, I mean, for me, I make stuff to make people laugh. Like, regardless, I mean, before I was making any money off

of it, I was making stick figure cartoons to send to my buddies, hoping my parents wouldn't see them because they were not super safe for work. But I think that it's, I mean, it's always been for me a way to bond with people, a way to share my ideas with people in a way that's more tangible than an inside joke even, it's like I'm making something to give to you and it could give to anybody.

It's like, like forging an inside joke out of thin air that I could get anyone in on. Oh man, that's so beautiful. I've always thought, you know, I'm looking at flowers and I'm like, damn, it'd be cool to talk to a flower. That's kind of happy right now. It's so cool, man. It's like, to me, I think one of the qualities

of the world we're in is that there's this thickness about it, you know, there's a thick quality to it. It's a thickness about me. Me too. That's what, that's what you know what I mean? Yeah, I know, trust me. You know, it's double seat thick, you know that kind of, juicy, same juice.

No, but I get what you mean. Yeah, it was juicy and thick and thick. You know, there's a juiciness about everything. There's a thickness about everything. Yeah, it's like- We're all BBW, we're all- What's BBW mean? Big, beautiful women, I think that's what it is.

Listen, man, this is it. This is the condo. It's like, to me, imagine if there were a heaven and to put it in the most reductive terminology, that heaven is on the top floor of some condo, right? And on that top floor, let's not even talk about it because we don't know what's going on up there. But because whatever's going on up there is so amazing,

shit starting to drip through the floorboards, right? The bathtub is from up there. We don't know if it's a bathtub. We don't know what it is. All you know- I mean, we put our mouths under it, it tastes, I mean, tastes good, whatever it is, they're bathing in something up there.

Shits dripping. Ambrosia. There's something dripping and that dripping is art. And somewhere in there is the realm that we're living in right now as these temporary human beings. And for whatever reason, the realm that we're in right now is really obsessed with like metrics.

And so we're like, oh, how long was it? And isn't that annoying? To the millisecond. To quantify, and then you convert that. And what does that do? It sends it further down the building. Now, if you keep going lower and lower floors, the thing that we're in right now,

which thank God is like, at least the dripping of the like, some amazing party happening in the God realms, when it gets lower and lower down, man, it gets thicker and thicker. It turns into like, it crystallizes and suddenly it becomes like some kind of like, thing that can't change so much anymore.

Now it's like steel. They used to cut and cut, poke and shit, right? And then it gets even denser than that. And down there at the bottom of this fucking building is a goddamn black hole. And now you've got the Kapalistic Tree of Life. And that's where we're stuck in, right? It's like-

You're invoking a future, a potential future where artists are the holy men. Artists are the ones that are creating the portals through which we see the divine, right? How about this future? Everyone's a portal. It's blasphemy, but I practiced my own laughter. The piano.

It's like, you lived for eight to 80 years. The universe is 13.7 million years old. Like, you know what I'm saying? It's like, yes, thank you for practicing. I am so lucky that you practiced. I'm so glad that you practiced. And I mean that. I don't mean that from sarcasm and thank God you did.

But if you think that you're practicing is bringing into the world a thing that wasn't there before, that's crazy. All you did was open the window a little bit more for us. And we need the window to open up. But that's the thing. If you're making a portal to God, you're not making a new God when you make the portal.

You know? I mean, it's like when children are born, like people say there's an artist in everyone or whatever. And like, so this, this baby's born, there's this little, there's this little glimmer, little speckled glitter dust of the portal just waiting to be open. And if they access it, they can open it up.

And I mean, I mean, what, yeah, for sure, what's new? I mean, what has any artist made that's genuinely new, I guess? But I mean, if we're playing into this belief system that everyone is a portal and art is the gateway to God or the divine or whatever, then, I mean, then we're all just opening and seeing little glimpses of what godliness is

or whatever, right? I mean, it doesn't have to be something new, but that's the thing is even if it's something that's derivative of what you've seen before, it's, I mean, a lot of it still feels new. And maybe that's just- What if it isn't? Maybe God's just spinning slowly

and each time you look through the portal, you're saying, oh, that's God's back. This is good this time. Once I ate so much wheat, I had a terrifying vision. And in the vision, I saw a version of God that was literally every millisecond dying and being reborn. So that in every millisecond, this being would have to suffer death,

complete catastrophic disintegration and reintegration in every millisecond and each time it kept getting better. And I remember like realizing, oh no, but simultaneously it was beautiful. It's like, oh, I'm part of that disintegration, reintegration, but also it meant that like, shit, if we're like attaching ourselves to scriptures or to words that were spoken a long time ago

that are trying to reflect that progenitive, renewing, novelty wave, then we're fucked. It's like a surfer, like I surfed a wave like two months ago and I'm gonna surf every wave like that wave that I surfed two months ago. That surfer's doomed. Well, man, but maybe God is every single surfer that's ever surfed, caught a wave and then beefed it

and then the next surfer that came after them. I mean, is God every surfer in a road that is catching a wave and then fucking beefing it on the, and getting destroyed on the rocks? Like, I mean, if we're made in the, if we're made in the Lord's image or whatever, then are we not all continuously dying and being reborn? And I mean, aren't we that exact image of God

that you imagined, but in a sort of like spread out, like where each one of his molecules or something? Like, I mean, all of our cells at all times are dying and then new ones are being remade, so I don't, Star Trek, right? The teleporters, you know, these motherfuckers, they like go in that room, they shoot down to a planet, they spark a little bit, they're on the planet,

they spark a little bit, they come back, right? What happened, right? This is a sci-fi, like anyone who loves sci-fi thinks all the time about teleportation. We're always thinking about it. It's like in the back of your head, you're always kind of thinking about like, wait a minute, is that Captain Kirk?

When he lands on the planet, the same Captain Kirk that came out of the Enterprise? Like, did it, is that the, how did they know, how did whatever technology teleported him, did his soul get included? Like, are they sure that's a pure transmission? Are they sure that's the Kirk that came back? You know, this idea of like identity,

this is what we're running into right now when it comes to, I think, society as a whole. It's like, we're all like little tiny pieces of Captain Kirk trying to be Captain Kirk. That's not gonna work. You can't do the, you can't have a, you need one Captain Kirk. You know.

Put that on your dating profile. Yeah, just a little piece of Captain Kirk trying to be Captain Kirk. Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, God, no, I will never, no one will ever reach out to me. I could look like, I could look like the rock. I could look like the most beautiful, I could literally be Dionysus,

like the most beautiful man to ever lift. And there could be, I'm a little piece of Captain Kirk and anyone with any working sensory apparatus would see them, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, fuck that dude, that guy's an asshole. He's like, we're all, that's scary. I think, but that being said, you know, I think what we're gonna have to confront eventually,

not now, not where we're at right now, these tiny little mothling things that we are, these little temporary sentient fluttering bits of matter that are meaty and like have our little bits of stuff around them that we give to our kids. Like, we're just barely getting it. We're barely seeing the reef. We're barely bumping up against the elephant

or whatever the thing is, and we're doing our best. I believe that. Do you think we're doing our best? I really believe that, man. I think as a species, we're doing our best. I think we're doing our best under the circumstances. And I think, I mean, I think that there are certain, it's hard to account for everybody

because there's certain people that are not doing our best, but we as a collective whole, maybe under the circumstances are doing all we can do, because I'm sure that there are plenty of people that aren't doing their best, but it's because they were born into a, they were born in a trash can or whatever, like, and what is their best?

It's not the same best, but I mean, I guess at all times, I guess all we can do is just try to do our best under the circumstances, right? Well, right, and also, this sounds absolutely insane, but for those listening, imagine being stuck with Sean Glaze in some kind of communal situation. You would love it, right? That's the other thing, the way you're talking is like,

I'm just thinking like, fuck, I wish we were trapped in a high rise together, which we are. It's like, come here, be my muse. Yeah. Like everybody, come in my room, I'll draw something that your soul reminds me of. Yes, that, that.

That to me is like, to me, one of the most blasphemous consequences the current way that we are expressing our selfness into time is that work has become a term that isn't synonymous with love. To me, that's so sad. People, I gotta go to work. Yeah, I know, you're doing something you don't wanna do.

It fucking sucks. That's sad. And I know that sounds naive and like, I'm a crazy ass fucking hippie or whatever, whatever. But to me, that is an, when the word work and the word love seem like the same thing, and without, I think that's where we're gonna be.

That's when we'll know we're in heaven. Because this is the, this is what it is. You know, we're, God is oozing into time, whatever you wanna call it, creation, the progenitive outflow, the outsource, the blech that is the magnetic flow of all creation or whatever you wanna put it. That's what we're in.

We're in it right now, man. It's like, if there was a volcano that exploded into time, we're in that volcano. And we're thinking, rivulets of lava. And so, you know, to me, the sooner we like stop being afraid of what we actually are, you know, this isn't,

that's why I hate the word, I don't hate communism. I don't hate capitalism. I just hate that. You hate what the words and the connotations transform them into or what? I don't even hate it. It's just like, God damn it.

It's like, I want it to be in heaven, Sean. You know, like I would like to be where I wanna, I don't wanna be kind of like looking at the droplets oozing down through the floorboards from some insane hyper-dimensional party and analyzing them to determine what divinity is. I would just love to be the person in whatever that fucking bubble bath is.

You know what I mean? Like, that'd be awesome. I would like- Well, I mean, it's the same thing, like with, you know, when you're talking about the word communism, when you're talking about the word heaven, too. I mean, like with all of the millions of words

and descriptors that anyone could use for it, everyone boils it down to just the word heaven, which is, again, the only, I guess it brings up one type of, well, we're open the clouds and we're, whatever, you know? But I think that even that is an oversimplification of what people feel about it and mean by it. I guess- Absolutely.

By the way, I just watched David Burn on Netflix. I think it's on Netflix. There's a David Burn, I don't know what it's called, but there's a song he sings. And the lyrics are, heaven is the place where nothing happens. It's so beautiful. It's so beautiful.

It's so pure. You know? It's so pure. And like, I fuck it. I use the word God all the time. I use the word heaven, too. I've started using the word heaven because I don't have time to come up with a better word.

I think you just ran into why the communists use communism as the word, huh? I just turned red, what have you done to me? There's a single tattoos appearing all over my body. Nah, dude. Nah, heaven is a place where you can make plans and cancel them over and over again. Oh my God.

You just make plans and then you cancel them and you feel good about it. No one has ever said that. There's no guilt. Don't, wait, hold on. Wait, you can't just say that and then start, you can't say anything now for a second. All right?

Hold on. Like when they whisper the mantra into your ear. Wow. That is heaven. I think that we have certainly, I'll tell you what, you know, one of the metrics I use of whether or not a podcast is interesting is if I feel like I've put myself in danger.

If that's the metric, the paranoid, it'd be part of myself who wants to pretend I'm different from you. I'm different from you. It's like, shit, man, I don't know. So thank you. I knew, by the way, I mean, you know, man, I imagine you run into folks like me all the time

and I've met folks like you before and we've got to figure out how to work with each other but thank you so much for giving- I've never met anybody like you, Duncan. Likewise. And I am so grateful to you for shining your light on the Minerva Gospel and putting your love into this show because it's through the whole show.

It's like, you know, if the show's ice cream, you're a cinnamon and it's cinnamon ice cream and it's in there, man. And I am so grateful to you for being patient with me, recognizing that I was just starting to learn about this new world. Yeah, man, thank you for not just firing me. I appreciate it.

I appreciate it, I appreciate it. There's some people that would have put me in my place a little bit, but I appreciate you allowing me to be, allowing my personality to be, it's natural state of big and allowing it space in the room. You mean like the leader of the Illuminati? You're not fully me, Glace. I see who you are.

They're actually, but by the way, and I know you didn't mean, are you just joking or whatever, put me in my place or whatever. But I was talking to a friend of mine who recently, and I don't mean to end on some dramatic note or whatever. I know you're just joking. I was talking to a friend of mine who had been abused and one of the qualities of abuse

is people who've been abused feel like they deserve to be put in their place. There is no place, where you're at is your place. And nobody needs to put you there. You're already there. So you don't need to be put. My man, I mean, my first job out in LA, I moved out here for a writing job

and I got fired in the first week. And I had left everything came out with two bags. And I mean, things like that happen. You know, you come out here, you come out here and you just get, you know, you try your best and you realize your best was a little too much and then you get fired. And so you never know.

You never know who you're working with. You never know. And then also, by the way, I can think of times when I've been outcast, where I deserved it. And I don't mean that as like, oh, no, I'm just, I literally like, I wasn't in key or I wasn't tuning into that or whatever. I'm not trying to apply some system

of like everything's the same or what. I don't know what I'm saying is, when I think of the Midnight Gospel, you know, which for me has been a resurrected, transformative moment in my life where I got to like meet my mom again, you were one of the pillars of that. And, you know, when I, if I'm ever gonna think

about my mentors artistically, you're gonna be one of them. And the way you did it was just by being you, not being afraid to be you. And that like evolved to me. Like, if you hadn't had the courage to do that, then the show wouldn't be what it was, what it is. And so I'm really grateful to you for that. And you taught me a lot, man.

And thank you for giving me your time on my show. I mean, thank you so much for having me. Again, it's always an honor. It's a special kind of feeling to be able to bookend a series and to be able to start on the first episode and end on the last episode, especially when it's such an important episode to you.

And not only that, to feel like the work that you did or the love that you put into it really genuinely affects people. It's a real honor. And the show is really something special. I'm really proud of it. And thank you for letting me be a part of that and part of your journey, too.

Listen, man, this is gonna make me sound like Charles Manson of some loony, but we were always a part of it. And I didn't let you be that any more than you let me be it. And all I could say is it's grace and hallelujah and much love to your wonderful girlfriend for transmitting so much wisdom

or whatever your connection is with her. She told me to say hi. She's a fan of yours. Oh, that's wonderful. Yeah, yeah, it's great, man. We need each other. That's what it boils down to. You wanna call that communism?

Go ahead, call whatever you fuck you want. We need each other and I need you. And thank you for this. And I'm a better person because of this conversation and our friendships. So thanks, Sean. Thank you so much. Hare Krishna.

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