Duncan Trussell Family Hour - 393: Raghu Markus

Episode Date: August 1, 2020

Raghu Markus, teacher, host of the Mindrolling podcast, and director of the Love Serve Remember Foundation re-joins the DTFH! Check out the Love Serve Remember Foundation's Soul Land Music Series on Instagram Live, every Sunday @ 5pm! Click here for more info. You can learn more about Raghu on the Love Serve Remember Foundation website. This episode is brought to you by: BetterHelp - Visit betterhealth.com/duncan to find a great counselor and get 10% off of your first month of counseling!

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Welcome. We have an excellent episode for you today. Ragu Marcus is here with us. He is the host of the Mind Rolling podcast. One of my great friends. We're actually working on a book together. And this is an episode that we recorded during a live DTFH family gathering. If you're interested in connecting with Ragu,

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which is live Sundays at 5pm at ramdas.org forward slash music. All those links will be at dunkintrussell.com. Now, everybody, please welcome back to the DTFH Ragu Marcus. Welcome, welcome on you. That you are with us. Shake hands, no need to be moved. Welcome to you. Ah, ah, ah.

All right, Ragu, you're on right now with my deepest core sweeties. This is on a video stream that we've been doing every week. Oh, yeah. And for the last hour or so, I've been rambling not just about aliens, but about the, I guess you could say the way that our desire to see aliens is a sort of longing for the miraculous and who knows, maybe they are real. But I wonder if you could maybe we could talk a little bit about that or if anything else you want to talk about.

Hi, everybody. Out there. Nice to feel you through dunkin. The aliens, I don't care about aliens. There are aliens everywhere. We could not be, you know, the only people, you know, that have the ability to think, act, and, you know, move from one plane of consciousness to the other.

It's impossible. We cannot be that. It cannot be that, right? So we are assuming, you know, all that shit, Roswell, all of that stuff. It's all real. Actually, I had a, an engineer because I worked in the music business for a number of years, a famous engineer. He did all the steely dance stuff, Roger Nichols.

He's no longer with us. But anyhow, his uncle was very embedded in, you know, national security, et cetera, et cetera. And he used to go over to his uncle's house and his uncle had all sorts of stuff that proved out all the Roswell stuff. For instance, he had pictures of, you know, that nobody's ever seen. And the day that his uncle died, he told me, a bunch of feds came in and they took everything out of, out of his uncle's house. Are you kidding?

How have you never, how long have we had friends? And you just now, you're telling me this, this is crazy to me. Yeah. They also had video footage of the Kennedy assassination, apparently. Of, there's footage missing that we've never seen that shows, you know, I think he said, you know, this is really going crazy, conspiracy stuff. But that one of the secret security, the security people shot him. Okay.

And it was all, you know, so he told me all this stuff. You know, he actually went, they actually went to see it when I was in a session. He said, I got to go over here because my friend is over there doing another session. He's got all this footage, can you imagine? So all this shit that they've suppressed everything, absolutely everything. Why, now this to me is something, I always scratch my chin at. Why, why would there be, why wouldn't they just let us know? It seems like, don't you think that if suddenly the government revealed there's UFOs, there's aliens?

We don't, we communicate with them sometimes, but we don't really know what they want. That people would freak out a little bit, but then everything would just go back to normal within a week or two. You know, like humans are so, you know, stuck in our habitual patterns that it really doesn't matter. Like this, the sun could change into the face of an alien and it would freak everybody out for about a year. And then we would just be living underneath the face of an alien staring at his body with change. Absolutely, absolutely true. But the why is like saying, why are there trees? I mean, just look at what we have going on right now.

That's a big, how can we have this going on in this pandemic with this, you know, buffoon? I mean, there's no word to use just, I mean, it's just stupid, you know, the Clorox, everything that, you know, now it's chloroquine, you know, the stuff you use for malaria, which we've taken a lot in India. You know, I know all about that drug. That drug makes you sick without getting, without the side effects they're talking about, which is potentially having a heart attack. You know, it's a really nasty drug. Anyhow, why, why, why?

It's, you know, that's, it's like when we go to India, you see all of this kind of stuff. There's no sense in it whatsoever. And you go, why? And I always tell people who are coming over the first time, there's one thing you can't do. Ask why, because you'll never get the answer, you know, it's forget about it. And this is the same thing, you know, there's no, it's, it's people, you know, the patriarchal power that be that is just, it's control. There's just, they, it wants to control. It has that propensity to control.

But you're, you're, you were talking about longing for what? What did you, you just said? Well, well, you know, I played a clip of Terence McKinnon talking about UFOs as being a kind of projection of the human psyche or the collective that you're looking at these archetypes that appear, that it's almost as though, one of the beautiful things he says is, you know, look at the D, look at human DNA itself, look at humanity as a kind of language, a communication that the, what we are, you know, is the alien. It's just, we happen to be it. So it doesn't seem that, that miraculous. And, you know, one of the things from DOS said that I think about a lot is this idea that when you get, I guess you could say tuned up or tuned in or whatever. Suddenly everything does seem like a miracle.

Do you, meaning that, you know, yeah, you, there, there, within that is this potential of your life could become so miraculous that UFOs would seem like secondary considerations. There would be vehicles or whatever. That would be somewhat interesting. But if you were really connected to what is happening right now, that stuff really wouldn't seem as exciting as what's right under our nose. So to speak. Yeah, yeah, I, that's totally right on. Absolutely. I have a little something because you prompted me earlier about the little belonging thing is, is so in core to everything that we came back from India.

I, it's a bit spiritual. You think we should get into it? Yeah, I'd love it. Thank you. Thanks for doing this. Raghu, last minute to you. Thank you very much. Love your camouflage, by the way.

My cat. Oh, sure. Okay. So, you know, we, this is around, I actually did a podcast this past week and I just happened. It was with somebody who's new coming onto the network. Wonderful young woman named Nikki Walton and I, I knew she liked rooming. Who doesn't like rooming, right? Right.

But I had, I had this book that I hadn't looked at in a long time by Andrew Harvey, who's translated a lot of roomy stuff and so on. And then I just started going through it and I was, oh, God, there's stuff in here that's so relevant to today. It's like mind blowing. So this one particular, let me just read a little bit from it. And then, you know, we can talk about it for if you want. So he's saying that they say, huh? Go ahead. No, it's stuttered for a second, but I can hear you.

Okay. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So he's saying basically, never, ever recover or even want to from the wound of the divine longing. So you will come too long with your whole being to participate now in the vast transformation that destiny is demanding of the human race. Right.

Wow. Okay. Well, that sounds like right on to right this moment. And then he says, roomy's a madman and he's trying to do nothing less than send the human race mad with divine love. And here's a little poem, a roomy goes, my poetry is like Egyptian bread night passes and you cannot eat it. Eat it while it's fresh before the dust settles its places in the tropics of awareness. It dies in this world because of the cold. Is that so great?

I mean, really great. So he ends up so Andrew Hardy ends up, you know, talking about what it's like, what's roomy's poetry is like. And it, it's absolutely awake. Awakening has a very fierce edge, the edge of the sword of discrimination. And the sword of the ecstasy, it has a fire in it. You have to consent when you listen to a read roomy to be sliced by that sword and invaded by that fire. I mean, these people are like, they got it all going, you know. So he compared, he compares this to, I don't know if you know, and many people out there may not know who she is.

You know, this, because this book was written a long time ago. Yeah. Maria Callis. Do you know who Maria Callis is? I've heard of her. Famous, you know, famous opera singer with an angelic voice. I mean, a transporting type voice. So he says what, what Maria Callis is doing when she sings is pleading for love against patriarchal madness.

That voice is always there burning away, begging love to win in the world, which has been ruined by a crazy, masculine hardness and deadness apart. I mean, he's describing, you know, the thing right now. It's just, you know, it's mind blowing. Yeah. And then, so this all leads into, so longing leads into the idea that he uses a word for, which is a tough word. It may be a word that everybody's going to go, oh, shit, these people are fundamentalists, maniacs. And that, I'm sorry about that. And that works adoration.

And it, but that means letting the hand of the divine reach out to us with a cup of mystic wine and say, drink, be drunk. So you won't mind that you are bleeding. You won't mind that you are sobbing. You won't mind that you are dying. It's letting the wine make you drunk with the lucid bliss of mystic knowledge. And with that lucid bliss, you will work tirelessly. You will suffer tirelessly. You will open again and again to the power that is trying to save the world through you, through all of us at this very late moment.

I mean, they could have written this yesterday about, you know, what the hell we're going through, right? I mean, it's, it goes on. It doesn't matter if you, it does not matter if you've used, you know, the experiences of your experience to enter into. The, you know, the glory, okay, to be a transmitter as far as you can be of the divine love at this moment. It's much too late to care whether we are going to suffer or not, whether it's going to be painful or not. It's clearly going to be appallingly painful to watch the world fall apart. It is clearly going to involve suffering on all of our parts in all of our hearts. What does it matter?

Be drunk with this longing. Open your hearts endlessly to the love of God and never close them. Allow the light to burn you and transform you so that you can stand with Rumi and the friends of Rumi, the mystics of the earth and play your part in the transformation of the world. That is our responsibility historically at this moment. Wow. That's so cool. It's so crazy. It's so crazy.

Yeah, it's completely crazy. It's completely. That to me is the beauty of the thing is because it is an invitation and to go nuts. And I think that this is the one of the top ways that whatever that thing you're talking about, what, what, uh, McKenna called dominator culture versus a partnership society. And it was a, it's a patriarchal. But what he said, you know, what he didn't say this, but to me, one of the qualities of domination, one of the qualities of people who are trying to dominate you is they want you to think you're going crazy when you're not. They want to produce a kind of boundary that should you cross it, you have entered into a woo woo land.

You're losing your mind. You've lost it. You're out of your fucking gore. What do you really think you're connecting with the divine? Shut the fuck up. What are you? What are you really? You're one took over the line, baby.

And this to me is like the people you got to watch out for. But weirdly, we also need friends in our lives who can tell us you're actually one took over the line. A tremendous thank you to better help for sponsoring this episode of the DTFH. I love technology and I love therapy and I love it when the two merge. That's what better help is. My friends, these are weird times. And if you're feeling a little off balance, that's probably a normal reaction to what's going on in the world these days. Better help is there for you.

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Right. Yeah. Pop is all. I mean, there's a whole pile of them. I mean, we have this great guy on the here now network, by the way, Omid Safi. He's like a Islamic teacher. It is, you know, one of the big schools in North Carolina. I mean, he's just incredible.

He knows he introduces all of this stuff. It's got such passion. You know, this is and this is the mystic part of of the of the religion. You know, it's the part it's it takes it. I mean, it still uses the Quran as a basis. But the interpretation of it is so wildly beyond anything that we hear about on a day-to-day basis. And of course, we are in such fear of this in the West, right? I mean, it's just so.

So it's only through someone like Rumi and Puffy is that we can actually get the essence and the power of the passion of being able to deal with the world because you're so embedded in that longing. You're so embedded in and moving into the awareness of the mystic part of ourselves. You know, Raghu, I wanted to I was wondering if maybe you could talk a little bit. This is one of the qualities of you and Krishnadas and anyone who I know who actually got to meet Neem Koli Baba is there is a quality of heartbreak there.

A quality of not like, you know, I don't know, not like schmaltzy sadness, but like real sadness that I don't know if sadness is the right word for heartbreak that you don't get to be around the embodied version of Neem Koli Baba. I wonder if you could talk about that a little bit. That's not true. I don't have any. No, there's no sadness and there's no heartbreak or anything around that. When it happened all those years ago when he when he left.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And you know how fast I shoved that person because we all have different reactivity to it. You know how fast I shoved that so far down inside that I couldn't find it for like 10, 15 years like within five minutes. I mean, Ram Dass called me.

I mean, I can still hear his voice going. Raghu Maharajee left his body, you know, six hours ago, literally sick. So shock. I went into shock and everything you're saying sadness, heartbreak, all of that. Then I took that and I put it into a ball and I threw that thing so far deep in me and went into spiritual bypass for like 10 years. Okay. I mean, I think many of us did that, right?

But it took, you know, it took a lot of work to understand if that's what it was all about, like a physical something that generated this thing and then that physical thing was gone. Then, you know, you are lost for what I mean. Fortunately, we had mentors who carried on from that time and really helped us understand. I mean, you got to remember I was 23 years old when I went to India. Okay.

So that's crazy. Yeah. So it's, you know, you were, I was a little shmigeggy and also completely naive and completely had all of the stuff that you love to play with over the years that the treats we've done in Maui in terms of cynicism and, you know, what do you mean about, you know, we had all of that stuff going on. So, yeah, no, I just, it took, it took a while, but to understand this has nothing to do with the physical something that we were there, you know, sucking at the

breast kind of a thing, you know, it appeared like that while we were there, but we were living in, you know, in a like an acid. So that kind of, that, okay, I got you. That's cool. You know, yeah, to me though, I have seen moments, poignant moments when you all are relating some encounter with that being that, you know, I guess sadness is the wrong word for it.

Maybe it's just longing. It's whatever it is is sweet. I don't mean to portray it in a negative light. It isn't negative at all. It's one of those beautiful things to witness and to see not just wronged us, but people who maybe folks on your listening right now are watching right now aren't even familiar with just people you meet at the retreat too. We're lucky enough to meet him curly Baba when they talk about him.

Sometimes they just freely start crying. Maybe they don't even realize they're crying, but they just start crying. And it's a really beautiful thing. And to me, it's always been a testament to whatever that encounter must have been like. Yeah, but it is. So again, you go into that space and it's a space of the best example. I mean, one one time we did with Ramdas.

A retreat actually not a retreat was a workshop in his house, right? And was with Roshi John Halifax, who you know, you had that incredible encounter with when you first went to his house. Yes. And a couple of other people can't remember. And at one point, somebody, I think with Ramesh, who was doing the moderating Ramdas is co-writer of the last couple of books. And he said, you know, just what so what was it like, you know, being

around me for early Baba. And so Ramdas went into the space exactly how you're described because he went into the space and you got really deep. You know, you could tell he was just like swimming in this kind of liquid love thing. You know, this is all talk about woo. You know, this is all that. It's just words except when Ramdas, he came out of it at one point.

You know, he was just in a reverie and he came out of it and he said, he was just empty. He was so empty. He was empty. He said it over and over. No, I just did a podcast, by the way. It's up on Minority Now, which is Roji and talked about that particular moment, you know, and, and I said, you know, one time, I think it was

with you, actually, we did something with her way, way back years ago. And I said, well, what is Ninkaroli Baba mean to you? You're like a Zen habit. You know, this is like you have nothing to do with bhakti yoga or subject object, anything. And she said, I look in it. I when I look at his picture and I look in his eyes, empty. I see empty, emptiness.

And so the reality of what emptiness, which is which Robert Thurman would love, right? Calls the the womb of bliss emptiness, the womb of bliss. It's opposite of what people think, right? You know, and it's available all the time. And the fact that some of us did get over to experience that in a human being just gave it. I mean, why?

I have no idea. I mean, I think it's we were denser is one reason we were very dense and needed, you know, the hit over the head with the sledgehammer. You know, okay, you are not this thing that you think you are. And we were able to experience that get very experiential with that. And then, of course, Ram Dass is the greatest proponent of proponent of bringing that back and able to transmit that, but nothing to do with the body.

And the reality is that access is there as Rumi just said, right? In those readings that I just did, it is available to everyone. It just there's a point in your life where things are just so shit that you don't want to go on the way that you have been going on. Thinking that your mind is real and every thought is real and your story is real and all of your parents and your family and the school and the work. It's all real that you start to look out for something else.

And that is what Rumi's talking about long and that's what I mean when you mentioned it to me. That longing is the first thing. It's your phone call to me, you know, to go to Maui and go to the retreat and me telling you to go, you know, it's that initial thing. Okay, you know, I got it. I got it. I got it.

You know, it's that thing and it doesn't involve I got to get it, you know, a nice car and a house and a job and you know, something else happens. Now, part of this is due to causes and conditions that, you know, make people so super unhappy or really tough stuff. Like people dying around you, like yourself getting a disease. Yeah. I mean, obviously that that, you know, sends people off into a path on

its own, you know, it has its own volition, but it's also just there's something that you walk into a store. I mean, I know people who walked into a new age store and they were playing Christian to us chanting and they just perked up and went, oh, wow, what's, you know, what's that? And, and, and they follow that down that so that longing came through the music, the, the, the mantras. Yeah.

You know, so it happened and of course psychedelics is an enormous way for that long because once you touch that place, you want more of it. Right. That's, that's obvious too. Um, listen, I want to, I, some folks I want to ask you questions. I'm having some technical difficulty with the normal way we do this. For those of you who was the, I can't see the chat and crowdcast, so I'm still on discord, but here's a question for you, Ragu.

Um, do you think there's a difference between meditation as a form of understanding the inner workings of one's own mind slash ego and meditation as a form of communion with the divine? If so, what are the differences? Do you practice in both ways? Yep. Yeah. That's a great, great question.

Yeah. Jesus. I love that question. Really fantastic. Um, yeah, uh, absolutely. I mean, there's a, a basic level that, of meditation practice, which I mean, I recommend to everybody is the passionate or the passion or insight meditation that, that was brought back to the, to the West by three

people, primarily, uh, Jack, cornfield, Sharon, Salisbury, Joseph, Goldstein, and we've been friends with them, you know, forever. And that there's a basic foundation that absolutely leads one inside, inside, getting to know, get familiar with yourself, with that part of yourself, both the, the part that you're dealing with, which is all the habits and the conditioning and all of that and, and understanding that and having awareness and the mindfulness part and the concentration part, absolutely necessary.

And then there's the other part, which, uh, Ramdas used to talk, but he went, you know, he did like weeks and weeks of, of, uh, of this kind of practice, which, you know, he tells that funny story in the movie, becoming nobody, uh, about, yeah, I was sitting there in the monastery and I went off into a six hour sex fantasy and nobody knew anything, you know, that kind of thing. So, uh, but he said in the end, he was able to come back and use that, the power of the, um, of being able to go inside and connect

with that place that's behind all of the story and the thoughts and all of the emotions and all that and be able to then go into an open heart, develop the open heart and not be afraid of what comes up through that open heart. There's a lot of stuff comes up, you know, people do, um, you know, even just chanting and they start to open up and it opens up everything, not just the ecstasy and the glory, right? It opens up pain as well, which again, Rumi was just talking about.

And you, uh, so the, the, the reality is that the way that they work with each other, you know, meditation as a basic practice to get to know oneself and meditation as a practice to go through the heart to communicate with the, the divine presence is fantastic. Great question. Uh, that, yes. And that's a great answer too. Uh, here's another question from Angel, uh, question for our guru.

Does it ever feel tiresome or a burden to be passing on such strong, loving energy all the time? If I had any idea of what I was doing or not doing, I would be really in trouble. Okay. When I have some idea and I'm thinking about it, then, you know, I'm lost. You know, I had a great mentor, uh, named Casey to R. He was one of the closest beings to a new girl.

You know, uh, and he used to, he was like the Mr. natural comic book from crumb. You remember that comic book artist, uh, but forget his first name. Our crumb. Yeah. Our crumb. Yeah. Mr.

natural. You know, he was like that with us. He'd be, he'd see us going off into, you know, really screwy places. And, uh, he'd say things like, my boy, if you think you're doing it, you are lost. If you think, if you think, if you think you're the doer. So whenever I, you know, realize that that's happening and some, you know, it happens like in stuff that you and I do together, retreats or podcasts or

whatever, and I'll catch myself and go, okay. Yeah. That's fun pontificating didactic bullshit coming out of non-experiential stuff. I mean that because, you know, that, that's, uh, and then I have to do as Jack coinfield says, yeah, we're human. It's okay. It's okay.

You know, so you're not judging yourself and all of that stuff, but no, I mean, you know, what's, it's like Christ, right? We're two or more share are there. I, I'm there, you know, so the sharing and it's what roundups has been all about. It's the legacy, the powerful legacy of his when I said to him last year, why did you mean Karoli Baba said, don't talk about me in the West. Well, that's all you did.

Why'd you do that? I mean, I knew that, of course, Maharaj, this was all perfectly planned to, uh, for he, there was no doubt that he knew, of course, Ram Dass, you know, he said Ram Dass to do this. It wasn't, and Ram Dass, but said as a human being, he said, you know, I had this jewel. I could not, not share it. He couldn't, he couldn't do anything.

He could only do that thing, right? And so there's joy in it and, and, uh, there's, um, in the doing of it, you stop thinking about yourself, time and space goes away. So, you know, as we're in this moment, there isn't anything I'd rather do. I mean, if we're sitting around just socially, you and I, I mean, we're doing the same thing, you know, so, yeah, it's all, and whenever I know that I'm going off into any kind of PS, uh, I, you know, my, uh, bullshit meter comes up and go, oopsies, you know, it's okay.

But, you know, shut the fuck up. It's okay. Shut the fuck up. It's so good, Raku. You, what you're, I love this aspect of it because it's so liberating. You know, the, I was, I was at one of the retreats talking to someone and, uh, I could feel them putting something on me that just isn't there, you know, like I could feel like some, I don't know, they were trying to mysticalize me or

something only because I told them about these retreats, you know, and, uh, which is not difficult to do at all. It requires zero meditation practice. You know, you just, it's like telling people where good food is or something. You know, I know, I know a great restaurant. You know, if I tell you where a great restaurant is you don't, and then you start telling me, oh my God, thank you so much. I went and ate at that restaurant.

I really appreciate all the great food you cook for me. It's like, wait, I just told you where the restaurant was. I'm not the chef. You know, don't you, if you start thinking that then we're both in big fucking trouble and I remember saying, saying to him, I just want you to know, I don't know what I'm doing. I have no idea at all. Anything.

And I felt guilty about that ever since then because I saw him seem disappointed. He seemed so disappointed and I meant it. I didn't mean it in some like, you know, false humility way. I have no idea what I'm doing and that to me, it's so nice when I hear your articulation of that being okay. And I've heard Roshi Joan Halifax at these retreats. I don't know if you remember, this was a few retreats back. She did this wonderful talk on Zen koans and the idea of being put you in a

place of not fucking knowing that's the whole point. It's like they scramble you up enough so you don't have to be stuck in knowing which is a real mess. You know, if you suddenly start thinking, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. And by the way, everybody out there, Duncan's full of shit because uh, his actual what's totally inside them, which has come out more and more and more and it's the naturalness of caring and kindness and sharing and

reaching out is beyond anything he or I could think about. Okay. And I got proof. I get mail. I mean, you know, love server remember we get mail every week. You know, oh, yeah, I got, uh, oh, the latest one. Did I send it to you? I don't know if I send it to you because I was supposed to start sending you

this stuff. I don't the latest. It was about midnight gospel. It was about I suck. They didn't know you, me or anyone wrong. Nothing they happened on midnight. This is really great, right? Happened on midnight gospel.

Maybe they saw the episode that I'm in, which I'm still pissed about that. I didn't have a name. My dog doesn't have a name in this episode. I mean, everybody has a name. That's a mistake. Oh my God. That's a mistake. I gave you a name.

I didn't know that. That's bullshit. But you're, you're, you're in there. It could have been spot spot would have been good, you know, spot the dog. Anyhow, that person went there and they found you through, you know, knew nothing and that's fun. Talk about karma, right? Talk about the reality of how this stuff happens.

We have no idea. So you have no idea when you're, you're with somebody and they're coming on to you about, you know, being a teacher or something like that. And you're saying, are you out of your mind? But they're not out of their minds. And this is something that's beyond you, beyond the, you know, any of this. I mean, just what's happening right now. We have no idea.

No idea. No idea. We don't know anything. I mean, the reality behind all of this that we see glimpses of, you know, and certainly through Psychedelics is one major way through a book like be here now through a pod. I mean, it's, it's staggering how this, this works and, uh, and delightful. Isn't it?

Delightful is the best word for, and every time I get to hang out with you like this, my life gets exponentially better. Raghu, thank you for coming on, for gracing everybody with your presence. Do you think you could tell folks, uh, how they can connect to your podcast or to the foundation or what you, you all have going on right now? Cause you've got this online thing happening now. Yeah. Well, you know, I mean, we were kind of prepared for what's going down with this

pandemic and not being able to gather. So we've been moving into, we had already been offering tons of online courses and stuff. And now, of course, some of the retreats that have been, you know, your postponing cancer, you have to be online, but, but definitely put your email into a go to ramdas.org. Put your email in there like every week, wonderful Rachel sends out resources for resilience point and, you know, we could all use that, which is different

either articles, talks, podcasts, films, you know, all of it, uh, that, that would be very helpful. And the other thing is go to beherenonnetwork.com. And I do a, I introduce Ramdas. This is what Duncan did all these years ago. He called me up and goes, wait a minute. Why don't you, you know, podcast and I come out of the radio business. So it wasn't that crazy for me.

And he said, yeah, just put Ramdas talks, introduce them and contextualize them a little bit. And so we're doing that. That's Ramdas here and now to be here on beherenonnetwork.com. And also I do mind rolling, which he got me into and helped me start. And I mean, he literally, you literally, yes, you get this little, little mixer and you do this and you attach it to that and you, you know, and, uh, so that's why Duncan, I always say this is my guru, my podcast guru.

So yeah, go to, go to beherenonnetwork.com and you'll catch all of it. You know, incredible. For folks listening to this on the, uh, audio podcast section of things, the links for this will be at DuncanTrussell.com. I'm going to use this as a podcast. We just did a podcast. Thank you, Raghu. I really appreciate it.

I'll call you later on today. I, I want to check. Okay. Okay. Okay. See you. Bye. Ramdas.

Ramdas. Bye bye. Bye. That was Raghu Marcus, everybody. All the links you need to find Raghu will be at DuncanTrussell.com. Much thanks to better help for supporting this episode of the DTFH and I will see y'all next week. I'm losing my voice.

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