Duncan Trussell Family Hour - 394: Pandemic Philosophy Thoughts with Marcus Henderson and Brandon Sanders

Episode Date: August 8, 2020

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And ask yourself, why am I here? Sometimes there's good reason to be here to place. You're just out of place because you're out of place. Maybe you've built up in your mind that it will be really complex to move or you just don't want to go through the trouble of it all. But that's not a reason to stay in a place just because it's annoying to leave, especially if you're getting the vibe that maybe it's time to go. There's great reasons to stay in a place.

Family for example, you're being held hostage, you can't leave. But sometimes it's like, it's just exciting. It's exhilarating, especially these days, like if there really is, and I hate to use a too often used term regarding the pandemic, if there's a silver lining to this thing. Isn't it that it's showing us that many, many, many jobs don't have to be localized in any given place? And doesn't it kind of seem like there's something in that that's almost revolutionary? It's so much of the economy is based on people being tethered to an office building.

So much of the economy is based on people having this antiquated idea of how work is done. When a lot of jobs just require people's minds, Google is not opening up till next summer. Talent agencies in LA, not opening up right now. So many places that really didn't need to be there in person or functioning right now. Just as well, or maybe a little, like it's a little more, things are a little confused, but still it's working. Of course, that's the whole point.

We have all this technology, but instead of adapting, because humans don't seem to be good at quick adaptation when it comes to tradition. We became superstitious regarding offices. We started to think you've got to be in an office, even though what we were doing was with our minds. We don't need file cabinets anymore. It's in our computers. It's in the fucking cloud.

It's going to be really weird if, when this pandemic ends, people just like go back to their jobs. Like if people aren't like, wait a minute, we don't need to be here anymore. I don't need to do that commute anymore. I don't need to drive two hours into a place because I couldn't afford to live close to the place because so many people didn't want to drive two hours to their place. That's going to be weird if the bosses are like, no, you got to come back here. We're going back to the old ways.

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All you got to do is click on the shop link. Man, there were a lot of great things that came from the Midnight Gospel. But I think getting to be friends with Marcus Henderson and Brandon Sanders has got to be the best thing. They just reached out to me on Instagram. We started talking and we decided that we were going to create like a weekly pandemic philosophy gathering where we just essentially, you know, add some drinks and talked about philosophy, talked about race issues.

I learned so much from being friends with them. And I realized, why haven't we done a DTFH podcast? I guess that's more of a question than a realization. But anyway, that's what this is. I want y'all to meet two of my newest friends. Both of them are brilliant actors. They're also brilliant minds and super sweet people. Everybody, please welcome to the Dunkitrustle Family Hour podcast, Marcus Henderson and

Brandon Sanders, also known as the Pandemic Philosophy Thoughts Club. Thank you so much for being on my podcast. I really appreciate it, man. It is the highest honor. Thank you, man. Brandon, thank you so much, man, for being on the show. I really appreciate it, man. I've been, this is, this is going to be real.

Why do I smell burning here? This is going to be great. I mean, it's going to be no different than what we always do. But thank you for letting me put it under the DTFH moniker temp, you know, for this, this one, you know? And when you start your podcast, if you want to, we could do the same. You know, there's no reason we can't do rints and repeat. You know, appreciate that, man.

Yeah. And if you need, if you need any kind of, not the, not that like podcasting is that complex a thing, but if you need any help figuring out how to do it, man, please. Oh, man, use his tech support because thank you so much. Yeah, yeah, man, this is starting to become, I mean, like, it's, it's interesting, like what yes morphs into, you know, when you, when you say no to something, it just dies. It's dead.

Yeah, it happens. You said no, that's it. Yeah. When you say yes to something, fuck dude, like when we talk about infinity, you know, one of the best things about Friday is that it feels like it's my day of release or some sort of like therapy in which I am allowed to listen to people that I really want to listen to, share my opinions with people that I really respect and, and, and care for their feedback.

It's, it's something that just really, it does something. It sets up my whole weekend and I definitely felt the difference. And when we didn't do it, yeah, to when we actually do. Yeah, yeah, in that, I am very grateful to the two of you for saying yes. Oh, man, to just the possibility in that's, that's dope. Well, do likewise, likewise. This is like, yeah, this is like, I was, uh, you know, we're, today recording the intro for you all and saying that this is, uh, of all the things that've

come out of the Midnight Gospel. This is my favorite thing. Hmm. Wow. Man, dude. I'm still, I'm still talking about the show as if I just discovered it last week, you know, like, you know, like we'll be talking and then all of a sudden they're like talking about everything they're watching and I'm

watching some of those shows too. But then I'm like, but what about Midnight Gospel? Right. Right. I got a list of people that I haven't talked to about it yet that is still, you know, we still got to have these like deep two in the morning talks about this show, you know, and not just this man to think like it, this emerged simul, this, there was this synchronicity to happen here, which is like, we

started to become friends while this country went through this intense, intense moment of coming to terms with racism in the country. And so it was, you know, it's been like really, really enlightening to listen to your perspectives on what's going down here. Like it's, it's, it's been something that I think has improved me as a person. And also you all have both been really compassionate with me and also really open to me being completely honest. Like I have not felt for a second, like I got a sense for myself or, you know

what I mean, that has been such a like, for me, that's been huge in like helping me really get a, get an angle on what's, what's going on here, you know, which, which before we met, I, I would, you know, I think a lot of it, I was just like, what the fuck is happening? And I still am like that, you know, but at least I feel a little more educated on the situation. So thanks for that. Yeah, man.

Sure. No, let me ask you this. Where, where did the idea of the midnight gospel come from in terms of like what? I mean, I know, I know, thankfully I've been reading through the Frank book. Oh yeah. Freaking amazing dude. Like it's so much inspiration alone in it. Yeah.

But like what? How, how does that, how does a conversation start? Of the creation of midnight gospel? Well, yeah, that, so that happened because Pendleton Ward had an idea about like a way to frame podcasts to put, to make them into a, you know, entertaining show, which was to, what happens if you take the dialogue of Indiana Jones and replace it with podcast dialogue? So you've got this adventure happening, but people having like the conversation

that we've been having every Friday and that's comedic. You know, it's, it's ridiculous that, but then also here we are having these, this conversation, this ongoing dialogue and think about it, man. Like we're having this dialogue during what I don't want to call it. It's not, it is an apocalypse in the sense that it's a lifting of the veil. Like everybody's starting to see what's happening in a way that many people either were pretending, that's not what was going on in this country or were generally ignoring, I think, because it's convenient because if you can ignore it, if you can

ignore it, or if you can rationalize it, you know, like for example, uh, the, that, you know, of course they leaked the body cam footage of George Floyd, right? And all these people all of a sudden are expressing that because he didn't, he didn't obey the cops because he was freaked the fuck out. He deserved to die. Like he deserved to be publicly executed is what they're saying. You know, like, look, don't you see the body cam footage? Don't you get it?

And it's like, yeah, so what? I don't care what he fucking did. Like I don't care if he like incinerated a Bible or like whatever the fuck he did. Not that that's that bad actually, but you know what I'm saying? My point is like, how does a person who is not like obeying the police deserve to be publicly executed, suffocated and there's no, you can't, but they want to make the math work. And I, you know, you know, and I can understand just from a human desire

for shit to be easy, you know what I mean? Like that thing where you're laying in bed and you're pretty sure like the other day I was laying in bed and it sounded like maybe a window broke in the house. You know what I mean? And you got like a few seconds. Like, you know what it's probably like, uh, I don't know, uh, not a window breaking. And you kind of try to trick yourself into anything than having to deal with like confronting some weirdo in your house.

Yeah, anything. That's a human. That's natural, you know? And so people are desperate for that, you know? So, so yeah, man, it's like during all this insanity, we've been having philosophical conversations, you know, and it hasn't all been about race. It hasn't been all about George Floyd. Hasn't been all about what black lives matter has, but a lot of it has, but

it hasn't all been that it's been fun, just conversation and stuff. So I think that was the other thing is something poignant about, you know, like, man, if like right now, if, if like, let's say a particle accelerator fucked up and created a mini black hole and we knew it, the earth was gradually being sucked into a black hole and we knew it's going to reach LA in like 30, 45 minutes, six hours, whatever. I mean, we'd be with our wives, probably in our families, but if, you know, if we didn't have that, I think we'd probably be still kind of like, well,

it's nice knowing you. Like, look at the Titanic. They played violins. You know what I mean? Is the fucking thing is going down. Cause what are you going to do? Screen, right? So to me, that was the, that's what, that was the other thing that came out of it

was the kind of poignant thing of like, yeah, when people are dying, it's not like they just sit there saying, I'm dying. I'm dying. They're going to talk about sports. Right. But, but, but part of that is, uh, is healing, you know, and I think that's part of the remedy to the thing that we're experiencing in the world right now is all of this chaos.

Cause, uh, symbolically it's a representation of, uh, of, uh, our human consciousness or our community, how we interact with each other, but more so how we interact with ourselves and we seem to be at war, you know, with ourselves. So, you know, we get to see, we've been seeing lately how that trauma is being acted out, like all of their decision making and all of their, uh, their points of views come from these lower ways of thinking, like making excuses for, for, you know, some outlandish things. It's just like that person who just refuses to see the truth that, that, that

narcissists, um, but a person who, who's like that usually is because they're so fucked up on the inside, man, they don't know how to love. And so what we're doing right now is being a reflection of what that looks like when what you think is imbalanced or misunderstood between others. Um, if you come together and talk or share thoughts or laugh together or just see each other's point of view, maybe you'll feel a whole lot better. Yeah. Maybe you won't, maybe you won't feel threatened to pull your gun out so fast

because you'll see there's nothing to be afraid of. Right. So yeah, I was just having this talk, uh, with the buddy of mine about, we were talking about the, this sort of, uh, standard that is held as a, uh, as a, as a culture as, you know, the black culture has a, uh, a standard of like, we need to be on one page, one accord. And if there is a disagreement, then therefore it's just the general sweeping statement that, no, that's our problem.

We can't get along. We can't agree on nothing. And then it caused even more dissension. But the idea of getting on the same page doesn't necessarily mean that you have to share the same ideas. It's just that you have to know where the other person is coming from. Right. It's not, it's not about this.

We gotta all move in the same direction. It's just that if you're going to move that way, I need to understand why. So that when I move this way, we can, we can meet where we need to meet. Right. Well, we won't bump heads and we won't have to bump heads in, in this way. Because a lot of it, a lot of it, in my opinion, has come from wanting something from somebody else. And it's two people fighting for the crumbs.

It's two groups fighting for crumbs. So it's never really the, it's never the meat. And I know, you know, meat is murder. So don't hurt me on that. Well, fruit has meat. Yeah. I guess that's murder too. That's beautiful, man.

I, to me, that, what you're saying makes me think of, uh, something this, uh, he's like, he sings like Kirtan. He's, his name is Krishnadas. And one of the things he said, I heard him say was, you can trust people to be who they are. And you know what I mean? You might be able to trust them to do what they say they're going to do, but you can trust them to be themselves as they are.

And part of who they are might be that they're deceptive. But, you know, when you like realize that about people, you, you, you, you start understanding like, okay, what, this is something I like to do with people, uh, who are like, annoying me is like, try to not react at whatever they're doing that is annoying me and just think, what do they want? Like, what's the thing behind the thing? Like, you know, cause people will manipulate. And so, you know, they won't, they're afraid to tell you what they want.

A lot of times what they want is for you to like them, but they feel so vulnerable with that they'll try to trick you or manipulate you or like put on a show. And there's some act like something they're not when underneath it all, it's like, they just really think you're cool and they want you to like them, but they feel vulnerable, you know, but once you realize that you see through their like magic act and then somewhere in there, you find some compassion and it's kind of sweet, you know, cause you realize like, oh, you're just doing this like, you don't have to do them that magic act to get me to like love you.

You know, I, I love you, I love you. But like, I love you when you're not doing like card tricks or whatever. Do you know what I'm saying? So like, no, like to me, somewhere in that is there, you, we can find a place to connect cause like, man, I'm sorry. I'm going to go on a little rant here. I'm sorry. I found, I've found this new thing on YouTube, a YouTube methodology where I go

to, I look up a weird, like I come up with a weird video, I have an idea, conspiracy theory, whatever. And then I find videos, people have made. And then I look at their subs, what they are subscribed to. And I click on that. And then I look at the stuff those people are subscribed to. And I click on that and you go down this rabbit hole, right? And then suddenly you end up, I found this play today.

It landed on a YouTube page. I think it was like a grandmother cause she's like showing a video of her unpacking a bike and then there's this sweet wedding, right? This beautiful wedding video. And like, you know, videos of the beach and you, you know, you, and like it's some kind of religious prayer that she had transcribed and put to music. Very sweet. Then you get to the like newest videos.

They're fucking QAnon shit, right? With like pictures of Trump and a thick Russian voice saying, he is brought to you by God. It's like, oh my God. Holy shit. In another one about, you know, talking about goddess worship being something that whores and Satanists do. And it's like, you realize like, okay, that's one thread of this person's

consciousness. But also there's all these other threads. There's a person who's like having trouble assembling a bike. There's a person who loves where she lives and loves her kids. And yet somewhere running through that is somebody who thinks boobs are from the devil, you know what I mean? But that's not all they are. And that's what I'm saying.

It's like, you can just find, if I think, maybe you tell me all, is this naive? If we can find that part and connect to that and kind of like maybe not focus on telling this person like, what are you going to burn a fucking witch? You old crazy motherfucker. Do you know what I mean? Like if you focus on that, then is it, is there hope? Is that the way we have to do it? Well, so that, that what you're saying sounds great coming from someone

who is open and aware and available to do that, but to the person who is still closed off with that wall or who is still, you know, asleep consciously. What happens when when they just not ready to do that yet? You know, I think that's part of what we're dealing with. How do you deal with someone who's who's not ready to face themselves yet? Is it more of pushing them towards seeing it? Is it more protecting yourself? Or is it more continuing to love yourself, love yourself and love them while you protect

yourself from whatever their sickness is at the same time? You know what I mean? Right. Because, because I hear what you're saying. I think that's, you know, that's part of the answer. But man, have you ever dealt with somebody who just doesn't? They just don't want to see it. You know what I mean?

Like you can say the most nicest thing, the nicest way. But like, like Trump, for example, it doesn't matter what he does wrong. He is not going to, not one time in four years. As he said, you know what? I was wrong at that time, guys, my bad. It's always, it's always something, you know. So what is that? What does that transparency come from?

You think? Man, I don't know. I mean, like, I know what you mean. Cause I'm like, yeah, this is somebody's YouTube page. I'm weirdly like being a voyeur. What am I doing? I'm looking at someone's like crazy witch burning grandmothers, like lowly populated YouTube page.

I'm the weirdo here, I guess. But like, you know, but, but still, you're right. I'm not hanging out with this person. I'm not walking down the street with him. You know, I don't, I don't know, but it's just like you get this feeling of like, look, you didn't mean to get brainwashed. You got brainwashed. You didn't mean to.

You, you, someone got into your fucking head. You know, you talk to these people, man, they parrot Trump. You know what I'm saying? Like you talk to these people, it's like, I don't give a fuck what your pop. I really don't care if you're a Republican. I don't care if you're a Democrat, Libertarian, and I would like it. If you're an anarchist, I think that's cool. But you know what I'm saying?

Like whatever you are politically, it's like, you know, that's where you're at. But it's weird when you're talking to somebody and they start saying like, no collusion, no collusion, Russian hoax. And you're like, wait, what are you? You're just parrot. If you do, are you saying Trump tweets? You know what I mean? Like, I didn't, I've never did that with any president.

I liked, you know what I mean? I never like, right. That's where it gets a little weird. Okay. Okay. You got condit, you, you, I'm afraid may have been. A victim of like a really powerful, well-funded PSYops campaign. But that's so many different ones though, man.

And isn't what's, isn't that what some of these mythology stories talk about with this, with this demiurge to like create these ideas to keep you in this, this matrix for you to like perpetuate some type of system or idea. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Friends, that's Brent. Look, I'm, you know, my audience hasn't met y'all yet.

This is somebody you within like a few minutes of us meeting pulled out a beautiful Baphomet statue. I'm sorry. I didn't introduce y'all. That's the problem. Like you don't understand. You're dealing with me. Both of you, I've like in various times throughout our wonderful dialogue, I

thought, okay, this is the Illuminati. They're clearly in some kind of secret, some kind of something. Cause you, that's intense, man. Can you talk a little more about that? The demiurge concept and this, this, this idea of people maybe accidentally or semi-accidentally becoming servants of some kind of like, like true darkness. Yeah. So, um, let's, let's, let's take a, let's, let's take a trip real quick then.

So the demiurge is basically, um, and on a surface tip that, that creator God, so, but not in the sense of the divine source that we're talking about that, you know, is holding up this existence. So whatever we are, you know, at the moment, um, but that, but that creator God that wants to create this cycle, it's that cycle of time or is that, um, that repetition of life and death to where you're put into this system to, to basically be, um, food, that, that this bigger energy source is feeding off of and you continuously giving it your energy because you're giving it your emotions

because you care, you know what I mean? So it's almost in the sense like that, uh, and in a sense where human connections, if, if, if I have some type of unresolved trauma or if I have some type of aspiration, you know, that desire to want to do something and keep this human existence going, even though, uh, it's been told that this human existence is the ego. So why do we want to keep the illusion going? You know what I mean?

So the Demiurge will be basically the father of the illusion and the children are the, uh, are the ones that's creating that world to fund it, run it, you know, keep it going because they think that they're, uh, getting somewhere, but they're just feeding this Demiurge that wants to, uh, that wants to exist, I guess. Children of the illusion. That was a good little phrase. And you got to understand when streams of consciousness like that happen, that's

not just Brandon speaking. That's like, uh, that's what Brandon is connected to. Uh, that's, and that's, I think that's also what the Demiurge does. It, it, it speaks through, uh, unit, you know. Yeah. Right. Right. Right.

The Demiurge is, uh, uh, ego and, uh, guardians of the galaxy. The second one. Wait, okay. Yeah. I know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right.

Remember, he has a son who has this, the energy of his mother who, uh, or his father who is this God, but then, but he wanted to live and he wanted to learn more. He wanted to keep doing things. So he just kept creating, but every time that he would create, he would kill all of his kids because all he, he just wanted to use them for energy to find that thing because he's searching for, um, for that peace or that love. And he thought he was going to find it in his wife, but, uh, in this story, uh, he didn't find it.

So that's why he killed it. And that's part of that, that mythological story that we're still dealing with now where, you know, um, a lot of the ancient stories talk about, uh, eons and ages. And we live in this, this, this ram of duality. So there's masculine and then there's feminine. And we have, uh, we, we live, you know, everything is vibration and sound and waves, so waves go up and down. So we go up in consciousness and we go down in consciousness.

We go up in masculine energy. We go down in masculine energy, the same with feminine as well. And you can see that with civilization. So you see over like a thousand year period, you see where women are ruling the world. You see the temple of had, had, had Chep suit, uh, in Egypt. You see, uh, temples of all these goddesses, uh, Tiamat, um, places in India, uh, where, uh, Kali, the goddess taught Kali, Tara.

Yeah. And they're powerful. They're not like little servant women, you know what I mean? They're called, they are chaos beings. Meaning they're like, they have the power to destroy everything. What did you call them chaos? What? Chaos beings.

Wow. Cool. Yeah. That's what, that's what we are. Uh, that's what I like to think. So, so then you see later on in time, um, as consciousness starts to change, you see a shifts change and now you see men coming to power. So like over the past 2000 years, this masculine energy has been running this

planet, but it hasn't been running it in a healthy union with that feminine. It's been dominant. You know what I mean? Right. And if you're hyperactive or underactive, you're in balance. You know what I mean? So since, since that masculine energy has been suppressing that feminine, uh, what it does when we talk about that alchemy and that magic, right?

It's, it's, you know, when you put coal on the ground for a long time and keep putting pressure on it, you're creating a diamond. So we're, even though that suppression happened at the same time was creating this new manifestation that's coming. And that's what we're starting to see now with consciousness starting to shift in this, this mother energy or this feminine energy or this feminine aspect to starting to rise. And we see that with, you know, women's skin, women getting more rights.

We see that with, uh, more people doing therapy because that feminine is the internal self, right? So more people are going in within and having more of a union within and more people are starting to like harmonize with each other. So, uh, that, that's that story of that, you know, masculine, that, uh, feminine. But, but doesn't it, what do you, what do you, what do you think about this though? I didn't mean to cut you off. Go ahead.

I'm sorry. Taylor, go ahead. Go ahead. You were, um, okay. But Brandon Marcus, isn't there going to be blowback? You can't power. I don't remember. I said, I heard some politician.

I think it's you. I can't remember her name. Damn it. Nancy Pelosi, I think said something on the lines of nobody gives power away. It has to be taken. And it was scary to hear say that was so hardcore too. You didn't expect it to come. I'm pretty sure it's Nancy Pelosi, but it's like some kind of like samurai shit.

It was really like, it was like, fuck, I think you're right. But I don't want you to be right. What do y'all think about that? Marcus, what do you think about that? I mean, it's not like the male dominator culture as McKinnon says it calls it. It's not like, you're just going to be like, oh, okay. Oh, you want to do the goddess thing? Oh, okay.

You want to do more therapy? Oh, okay. No problem. Let's do therapy. You know what? I'm going to just, I'm going to deactivate all my dick shaped nuclear missiles because y'all want to do more therapy because consciousness is coming back. That's not going to happen, right?

Yeah, because I don't think the therapy is what is going to change the thing. You know, I think that there is a sort of natural, I guess, evolution of things that are happening, you know, there has got to be an ebb and flow in life. There's got to be these moments or centuries where there is a good and a bad whatever that balance is, it's got to be in balance in order to get to balance. Like imbalance wouldn't, balance wouldn't exist without imbalance. You know, so it's just this duality that I think, except I think what the therapy does is it helps you maintain in a state of imbalance so that you can feel balanced.

Oh, wow. That's cool. Hmm. Yeah. I don't think it's I don't think I don't think it's necessarily a thing where it's like it's supposed to change anything out there. It's inner work that you do. It's the inner work that you have to do in order to make the ultimate change.

You know, so if I do inner work, then I'm raising my kids differently. I'm raising my son differently so that that, you know, that, you know, macho behavior isn't the same as it was when I was a kid, his age. Oh, OK. I'm following you now. You're so like you're saying like, well, are you saying like we don't have to worry so much about resting power away from lunatic dudes who are running shit? If we the work starts inside, like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And so, like, like right now, if you have a kid in kindergarten, your kid, if you're raising him to be the person to not be the guy with the missiles, you rest assured he's in school right now with the kid that's going to be the guy who has the missiles. Oh, yeah. How they interact with one another is is where it all starts. Whoa. If you if you are raising the kid to be the the guy who's going to like have

the missiles to do the thing. Yeah, he won't even give it a chance. He won't even give other out. That's a no to everything. You remember we talking earlier about saying yes. Yes. Yes, has possibilities. Yes, has has an infinite amount of quality.

No, has one result. Wow, that's bad. So, so, so for me, it's not about like, I think, yeah, yeah, you can take. It's all about force. That's what you want with a no. You want to fight. You want somebody to change your mind. You want to talk to the limit.

But yes, you're like, take me there. Where are we going? What's happening here? I can make my own decisions and live in it. You know, yeah, but but that's what that's that's that's what we're teaching our kids, though. Right, because yeah, go ahead, because that's the thing, like, you don't. Because the question is going to come up.

What is this power that you're talking about? You have because you're a whole infrastructure is based on me paying attention to it because it's all about product. It's all about marketing. It's all about advertising. So whatever you selling, once I learn that you not for me, I ain't buying no more. So you don't have to when you're like, let's say in a relationship, right? The argument is when you try to fight to get your point across or try to take

right in that situation with force and you don't have to. Because the more that they get agitated, the less and the less that you stay calm, the more and the less energy you give into the negativity that they're giving you and you channel that into something else, then you're changing the whole narrative because there's nothing to fight against anymore. So we're so now you're breaking down the illusion. So because it because what you will find out is actually. If we're talking about power, you actually have to take it from me.

Because that's what that's who you have the most affection for. You know what I mean? And the biggest currency on the planet is attention. But if you're building that market, but somebody is owning the market and you're just again, that force fee energy, you're not making the money off your own. Probably just like chickens don't get no deposit or no bank account info from Chick-fil-A. You know what I mean? Right.

Cows don't get any type of reparations from McDonald's. Yes, you're making all this money off of your energy and somebody else is building something off of the moment you find out that, oh, wait, you can't even have this unless you had me. So unless you're able to have me in the way that I want to be, then you're out of pocket. And then once a person realizes that, oh man, you could be gone. They start to change there.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, oh, wait, let me start to actually listen to what you're saying because a narcissist would try to make you feel bad for standing on your own ground. You know what I mean? And then convince and then they'll somehow convince you that you did something wrong and that you need to stay around. Right.

You know, even though they were the ones that were feeling the insecurity. So once you allow that person to have to sit with their own stuff and they see that, oh, man, you have no attachment to it, then I'm in the hope it forces you to deal with it. But, you know, I think that is something about that, that the word value comes up. The self value, having to know your own worth. Isn't that such a crazy fucking thing to have to negotiate your worth in a contract?

Yeah, in a way where you're like, this is how much I'm worth. There's an app. I'm not going to say the name of that, but there's an app where a celebrity sign up and they they give you a shout out. If you, you know, if you pay a certain amount of money. Cameo. There you. Okay.

Why you didn't want to name it because you're afraid of the like. I didn't know. I don't, I don't know about. I didn't know if, you know, there's promotion things with podcasts and stuff. Oh, hell no. You can talk about. Look, let's talk about. Listen, cameo is got no offense.

Oh, listen, I don't want to be judgmental because people need money. I get exactly, exactly, exactly. Don't want to be judgmental about it. Don't want to like, you know, but it's an interesting concept to think about. How much am I worth to people? I mean, some people don't go that deep in the terms of like, how much am I? But sometimes it's just like, all right, I'll do this for you for like 20 bucks, whatever.

But then there are some people who are like, it's going to cost you $750 to get a shout out from me. And you go, what? What? Yeah, I know what you mean. Like it's it that whole, like that whole thing that this is like, you know, this is capitalism, right? And to me, like, you know, and I, and I, we're, we're in capitalism.

I'm not saying I'm not, this is what capitalism has been good to me. I'm not like, you know what I mean? I'm not, but if you really like take capitalism and, and bring it into the family, it will help you understand how fucked up it is. And it's like, cause like I was, you know, like imagine if, you know, you're, you're, your kids, your, your mother-in-law comes to visit. And when she leaves after hanging out with a baby, spoiling the baby, tickling the baby, feeding the baby, loving the baby, the way grandmothers can.

She's like, all right, you guys going to Venmo me for this? You know, I charge $600 a day for my services. You know what I mean? You're like, what the fuck? Or like, you know what I mean? Like friends, if friends, like if you were like, had a friendship tax, you're like, okay, you know, I've been like, we did six phone calls this month. So that's 600 bucks, but I'm going to give you a discount.

Cause he used my discount code. You'd be like, what the fuck? But then, you know, but in all, like anything like that is like the most insane fucked up thing, but are everything else in our society, it's considered totally normal. It's totally normal to sit down with a therapist and be like, here's, thank you for listening to me. Here's however much spending on the therapist, 200, 300 bucks.

Totally normal to be like, to come into a hospital and have somebody sew you up and then be like, all right, I guess that's worth $50,000. Here you go. You know what I mean? Like all that. We just accept it because we were born into it. And that seems to go into your demiurge idea, man. That's like, you know what I mean?

That's just, it's like, I mean, cause think of it. Okay. Prostitution, right? No, no, no. Evil, evil, evil. Don't pay someone to have sex with you. Evil, right? It's evil to pay someone to fuck you, but it's not evil to pay someone

to give you a massage. It's, you know what I mean? It's evil to pay someone to give you a blow job. It's not evil to pay someone to reach their fucking hand in your goddamn like abdomen, like my doctor did and pull out my testicle and snip that cancerous fucking thing off and drop it in a toilet. That's not evil. In fact, that's like, actually, you're like, people want to marry doctors.

You know what I mean? But like, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, yeah, man, it's weird. It's weird that it's very weird to like have to be put in a position to be like, well, I'm worth this much per hour to talk to you. Did you accidentally get to agree? You don't mean, again, this is the system we're in. We're born into it.

What? I'm not fucking Karl Marx. I don't even understand communism. It seems a little too complex. I've tried to read it before I get instantly confused, then bored, then scared, then feel bad and then stop reading it. But like, to me, there does seem to be a degrading quality to like, you know what I mean? Like, like to paying somebody to like, you know, to pay somebody to do a

thing, especially a thing that has love inside of it. You know what I mean? It just feels. I feel like it should go off of that. You know, I feel like it should go off of, well, we're not there yet. But what if we got to a state of consciousness where everything was based off of your energy? So the, the more productive or positive or, uh, lucrative energy, you're

giving somebody to help them with whatever it is they're doing, whether that be to save their life from a depression of a day or to help them with a new idea to make an invention, uh, it should then be on them as an accountability, like, you know, okay, Brandon just sold the seeding to me. And I felt, man, I felt so much empathy. I felt like, you know, and it's all measured on like a little scale. And based on that scale, then you're able to go, okay, based on everything I just received on my scale, this is what I'm going to give back to you.

Whether that be usually, I guess it would be, you know, money, but maybe it could be something else. But what if we came to, and not like, uh, a community, I guess, to where we could, you know, do that versus just trying to like add it up when you, because then it feels like it's not genuine. It's almost like bringing love into that marriage thing. Like, damn, part of this doesn't feel like genuine love at all because it's just, it's business stuff.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, right. The marriage contract, right? And it's like a, I'll give you an example, like, you know, acting, right? I'm an actor. I love acting. I look like it's an art form that has caught the attention of my expression. And that's what I use it for. Right.

So I, that's what I do. And I went through years and years of training to, to, to get to where I am right now, uh, and I still got high aspirations from here. So anybody who's like, Hey, I want to be an actor. Can you give me some pointers? Never in my life could I think, well, what can I get from this? It just doesn't compute to me. Even like I did, um, last summer, you know, uh, there's a group out in LA, uh,

called actors play LA where, you know, it's a sort of a minority based, uh, uh, group to, uh, that caters to a minority, uh, base, you know, like they, they have a, it's like a theater group that plays games, teaches improv, like, you know, just kind of trains. It's a training ground. That's what I say, a training ground for minorities in LA that can go and feel safe and do all this stuff. Uh, I heard about it and immediately it was so attracted to him.

And I asked the, uh, the creator, I was like, oh man, can I like do something like teach us something like that? Like a, a class to do a workshop and she was like, absolutely. You know, I was like, yeah, great. And then it got to a point where we had to talk about like, well, how much are, do you charge? Like what's your old cost? And I can never answer that.

I can never go like, well, this is how much it costs. I know how much it costs me to get my education and do things I do, but those types of things are just like, it's just a talent that I think you can give to somebody. If I have the ability to give you expression through an art form that I found such a love for, I don't want to charge you for that. You finding your own voice is my benefit. Yeah.

That's, that's one thing in the, in the church that, uh, that's a system that that's, that operates, um, where like, if the preacher is really giving a good message while he's preaching, he's not asking people to give him money, but people will just walk up and they'll drop $5 at the altar or drop a hundred or whatever they feel in their heart, based off of what they just felt off of what was just given. And so that's, that goes along with what you're saying. Mark is like, yeah.

And I, and that's what I was saying. Like, don't not, it feels like he said, it feels awkward when you have to like say, this is worth this much because you don't know how much it's worth to, to, to them. You know, um, so just giving out of your heart, that's, that's an exchange right there, but then on that person, okay, you just received something. Are you going to acknowledge what you just received? And if so, what are you going to give back?

Because that's what life is. It's an exchange. It's, it's give and take to live. You have to breathe in and breathe out. Right. So there's always a give and go. You know what I mean? So yeah, absolutely.

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And I think it is possible to have aspirations for a time where we figure out a way, I think what you were talking about, Brandon, is to figure out a way to be like a little more nuanced in our approximation of how energy moves among us. You know, that's all. We've got a really brutish, it's like language too. But like, you know, one piece for you, two pieces for you, three piece for you. It's not very nuanced. It's weird.

And it's all based on time and stuff. But you know, I think at the very least, what you could do is give people way more than what they're paying for, way more. You know what I mean? Like you could like do that. That is possible. You know, you can like, and that's the coolest thing. When you when you do go to a place and you realize, fuck, they're like, they

could charge way more than this for what they're giving. And then you realize, oh, they're not doing that because they love what they're doing. You know, that's pretty cool. But, you know, I go ahead. Sorry, I've experienced that. And I can't remember his name off the top of my head at the moment. But there's a boxing trainer who has this pretty well known gym in New York. And now he has a location in LA, tall New York, brutish, you know, white guy.

And it's a dope gym, man. So my buddy Seba took me and my boy, Zach, one day. And, you know, that whole hour and a half, man, he gave me more life lessons than he did boxing lessons, which was he taught me how to box through teaching me about life. So everything that he was teaching me was what it was almost like I got three lessons in one, it's like a metaphor. I'm like, oh, man, you just like, am I in therapy right now?

And so what was interesting was that by the time we were done, and even before we got there, he never told me how much the class was. He never told me after nor did he never say, Hey, did you remember to pay me? He didn't have to because he didn't. And he has a philosophy is if you give your heart and you care about people, you don't have to remind them to give back to you. Right. And that was powerful because all that exchange you gave me, it meant so much

that I'm asking him how much do you charge? So, right. Yeah. I mean, and that's just that's a start, you know, to get to that place. But that I'm sure that there's more we will have to do. That's a good, like personal type of nuance, way of thinking and being interacting with people, but in the whole grand scheme of things, like, you know, maybe there needs to be a little, a little bit more structure.

I guess what do you think with that? Hey, don't fly anywhere for free. You're fucking paying for a ticket. But you know, I'll tell you what, one of the things when I was like, a lot of these Ramdas people, what's really interesting is like, I went through this period with some of them where I was always trying to, that we go out to eat. And they would always buy, they're paid for dinner. I was always trying to pick up the tab.

And they, they always get this big smile on their face. They wouldn't let me pick up the tab. And then I realized like, Oh, right. Cause the reason I'm trying to pick up the tab is cause your chat, like just your existence and your kind of surrendered benevolence is fucking with my head. And I'm trying to assert dominance, but I'm trying to control you by just paying. You know, I want this sense, you know what I mean? Like, I think they were seeing that my desire to pay wasn't like equally

benevolent, but it was like my ego was having this weird seizure of like, oh, let me, let me, let me, let me get this meal. Let me get this meal. So I could, you know what I mean? That's, I think that's like a real, that's one of the, that's what's interesting about sometimes seemingly very generous people. They're not really being generous. They want, you know what I mean?

They want to be the guy or the girl or whatever in between picking up the fucking tab, you know, and there's a big difference. I have a very big thing about that. You know, if I have it, I just want to give it. It's in, and I think where that comes from is that if there's ever a day that I don't have it, I would hope to be supported in that same way. You know, yeah, but, but, but I have to lose that part. That's the, that's the part that makes it, you know, like it's not yucky, but

it's like, it's still a thing of like, come on, man, you can't have an expectation. Yeah. And that, and I, and I don't, I can honestly say that I don't have an expectation. Like if I let somebody borrow $600 tomorrow, like I'm not, I'm not running them down to get my money back. Right. That's not that, you know, I shouldn't have lent it to him in the first place if I wanted my money back.

Right. Right. Yeah. That's the thing. Uh huh. How much of that goes back to, or could we correlate this to, um, communication and emotions? Cause a lot of times communication gets lost because the motion doesn't feel safe

to be expressed. You know what I mean? Just like people who have people down for, for lending out $20 that what you just gave out from your safe space doesn't feel safe anymore. You know what I mean? But what is there in the grand scheme of things to really be afraid of? You know what I mean? I think that is what we really get down to.

But, uh, I can see how it, how it is kind of that same thing. Man, you know what I mean? Where, uh, the reason why you, you wouldn't have for that 600 is because that money isn't why you live and money isn't why you help people. It's because you're a good person and people have helped you before. And it feels good to just not be so attached to this little piece of shit. You know what I mean? Call money.

Yes. And so when it doesn't mean anything to you, then it doesn't really bother you anymore and you kind of manifest more of it when you're not attached to it. Exactly. Money is a, that's what they call it money flow because the money has to flow. The money, the moment the money doesn't flow, it, it, it's just not. Again, it's the, no, it stops. It's one option for it.

You save it all in one space. And when it's gone, it's gone. You gotta keep it moving. Yeah. Right. The same, the same, the same with your emotions. Oh, I don't want to talk about this because I'm afraid somebody's going to judge me. And you hold that shit in.

It's like, no, let it out. Whether they judge you or not, it's out. Good. Now you feel a whole lot better. Oh, that reminds me, man. Okay. So speaking of narcissists, my friend got me this book called healing back pain. And, you know, have you heard of this book?

No. Okay. So I've had all these fucking back problems, right? And now I think about it. It's like, God damn it. Well, it's a really good friend of mine. So he does know me, but you know, giving your friend a self-help book, it is kind of saying like, I see how fucked up you are, man.

Here, take this. But the premise of the book is really cool, which is that you're like that thing you're talking about, stuff in your emotions, it's got to go somewhere. And your back is the savings account for your fucking repressed emotions. That's where they hang out. And it's symbolic. Like I'm putting it behind me. Like really?

You mean I'm putting it on my back. And so, so like this book, it's like there's, and this isn't just some woo woo fucking hippie shit, man. This book that cites real studies on narcissism and fucking back pain. It's not just narcissists selfishness. It's like, it's like stifling flow, you know, but like, basically like, like there's a high correlation between people who are emotionally repressed, I'm ashamed to say, because my back's fucked up.

But like in back pain, and the, what's cool about the book is it's just saying like, just, just the moment you start realizing that, the moment you start recognizing, and the way they put it is, it's like a waking nightmare. Your nightmares are hanging out in your back. And it's, it's literally causing, it's like, it's like fucking with the way your circulation flows through your back. And so that's causing all these spasms. Now this isn't to say you can't injure your back.

Obviously you can, but like it's pretty, pretty wild to think about that. You know, if you're somebody who has like chronic back pain that, and a lot of people think it's related to an injury, which is really weird. They think it happened on some day when that, when that, maybe you were injured, but you healed. You know what I mean? But that's not what's causing it. It's so interesting.

And ever since I read that, I swear, man, just acknowledging like, oh wow, that's probably when a lot of my anger and grief and shit is like hanging out back that like literally back there. It dissipated a little bit. It didn't go away completely. But now if I'm like pissed off, or if I'm feeling unhappy, or if my back starts hurting, I'll think, wait, what's your emotional state right now? What aren't you paying attention to?

There seems to be a connection. Yeah. Yeah, what's, what's the name of that book again? It's called Healing Back Pain. Healing back pain. Yeah. Um, yeah. Um, so yeah, we hold on to those emotions and that energy, uh, also materializes

itself into diseases because he break that word down. That's, you know, this ease or, you know, this ease in the body because that flow isn't there anymore. So now you have a disruption going on. And so, um, I had a client of mine, um, she was talking about a similar situation, but she was having a lot of trauma from pregnancy, like in her midsection, um, because of how traumatic the birth was. Yeah.

And so, um, there was, um, she went to get some, uh, what is it called? She went to go see a chiropractor and put needles in the area where that trauma was and not gas, like Spartan, but like gas was beginning to seep out because there were pockets of air being trapped, not just from the surgery, but from emotional stress. Wow. Yeah. And that was, you said that wasn't an acupuncturist. That was, uh,

that's what I meant to say. Sorry. Okay. That's what I meant to say. That's nuts, man. So, yeah, man, that, so then that flow or that currency to build that system of, uh, of your capital, of your wealth goes off of, you know, if we're taking that, if we look, if we're looking at it with the body, it's about who has the healthiest body, you know,

who has the most flow of energy in exchange, you know, within the system. You know what I mean? Right. So then I guess then the, we need to find out like what, where are these, uh, stoppages at inside of us? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And sometimes just, don't you, don't you think like just the, uh, just the attention is an, like even just no, like just like, it's not like you have to like stop being, you know, anxious or it's like, you know, you have to like immediately become like free of, uh, animosity towards people who did you wrong or it's just like, just know it, just like letting that rest in your intention instead of pretending it's not there. Doesn't, isn't sometimes that enough to get your energy going? To acknowledge it. Yeah.

Then to do something about it. Right. It's just like, um, I can acknowledge that I need to go to the gym. I can even walk all the way to the gym and sit inside it. Like I'm here, did it, but I'm not going to get in shape until I pick up a weight. Dude, I used to do that. I would get stoned and go to the gym and sit on like, they had this nice, comfortable couch and I would write and then I'm like, you know what, I'm not working out today.

But you know what? The mind is so powerful. Uh, shout out to Dr. Africa. Thanks for dropping that, Shanessa. Um, he, he was saying that the mind is so powerful that you could sit down in that gym and close your eyes and visualize strong enough to see yourself running on the treadmill to where your body would begin to burn calories.

Yep. So there's studies that back that up too, man. Like I've heard that there's like a lot of studies on like where they just have people imagine that they were like doing bicep curls and it did create change. Just imagining it, which is insane. Right now you should see me in my mind. By the way, man, I'm doing like hard, hardcore kettlebell workout. It's fucking intense.

My psyche is like sweating ripped. By the way, you should see that whole, whole good energy. Oh yeah. What are your brand? What are your clients? Tell me about this. Tell me about, tell me about your work there. So I don't even have a name for it, man.

But, um, so I started a side hustle when I first moved out here, I started personal training, um, but then as I'm training and, you know, doing my thing, I'm starting to realize that, uh, because how I am now, I like to talk and, you know, dive in and open up, uh, I was becoming more of like a, a life coach, uh, to my client. So then I kind of morph my, my philosophy and my, uh, approach to training, to being a friend. And so instead of me being this coach and just shouting at you and telling you

what to do, we're just going to hang out for an hour and I'm going to work out with you. I don't do every single exercise, but I do, uh, like half of it and, um, it becomes therapeutic because not only am I helping them, you know, get things out of themselves and open up and exchange that energy, you know what I mean? Cause part of that, that fitness is you not being stressed out because one thing that I noticed about being in the gym, I, I, I didn't know this when I first went in, but over time I saw it.

The people who complained every time they came to a session, they never got results and they worked out harder than anybody else. The ones that the people who always smile through it, they always got to where they wanted to be. And I was like, wow, when I literally saw it, I was like, wow, this is real. Like if you come in and you're always talking about, ah, it hurts. I don't want to do this. Your body is going to stay the same because you don't want to change.

So it doesn't want to change. So it's not going to do anything to change. Dude, that's nuts. The body, this, the body is such a sweet animal and so loyal and so noble, you know, that it will do, like you want to fucking shove, you know, cheesecake in your mouth and drink fucking Coca-Cola's. It doesn't want that. It's Diab, you know, it's got diabetes or it's like, you know what I mean?

It's you, it will let you do that. You want smoke? It's going to do it. Like it knows you're killing it, but it's going to let you control your hand and bring the fucking cigarette to your mouth and suck poison into your lungs because it's like the most noble, loyal animal to, you know what I mean? It's like, it's the most, it's like. Can you imagine if it started to rebel in that kind of way though?

You were like, oh, man, what is going on? Immediately just picked up a weight and you're like, wait a minute, I don't want to do this. The fuck is happening? Yeah. How could we don't get possessed by healthy demons? Like, why is everyone's getting possessed by demons that want to put a crucifix in your asshole? Because what is healthy, you know what I mean? In that moment, you know, because let's say, let's say you're carrying a lot of

emotional stress and you're good. So you would think, man, I just need to eat some, I don't know, some spinach. Maybe that's one way of looking at it. Or what if your spirit tells you, man, you need to go eat a honey bun right now? Why? Because when you were seven, the first time you tried it, oh my God, remember the joy it brought you? So to mentally get to that state of euphoria or bliss to like raise that energy up,

but also is what it did on the flip side with the physical. You got all this caught up in your gut. Now you just sent this bullshit ass honey bun down there. Boom, now you're on the toilet. It's all out of you. Case closed, we're done. Right. You detox and you felt better about it.

Whoa. In that moment, that was healthy. That's cool. It's not like some rigid, yeah, it's not like you're going to like treat, you're not going to become like some fascist to your body. It's like, maybe you can listen. Maybe sometimes you do need a fucking honey bun, Mussolini. Let yourself like it from time to time.

I have the honey bun. That's cool, man. I love that. That's also very sweet and sad too. You know, the good old days when I'd have a honey bun out world with my family. We'd all sit around and eat honey buns. Those were the greatest days. That's sad.

You're right though, man. So much of, yeah. You know, this reminds me of this like, there's a great book. See if I remember the name of it. It's a book about this Tibetan Rinpoche. And they all do these retreats and like three year retreats. I'm sorry if we've talked about this in a philosophy club. Have we already talked about this?

Which it's called. Keep going, keep taking me down the forest and I'll let you know if the tree looks familiar. Okay, thank you. Right, right, right. So this, so like these people are treated like royalty there. Like they have these very like, I wouldn't call it an easy life, but it is like they're in these beautiful like temples and they're monks, you know, but the Rinpoche's they're like, they have a lot of political, they're powerful people,

but they will go and meditate in a cave for like three years. They take three years, silent retreats sometimes. But this Rinpoche, he snuck out of like the temple he was at and like was homeless for years in India. And it's a book about what that was like. He literally just gave everything up. He was like incredibly sick in Varanasi, India. He had like horrible food poisoning almost died.

Like it's a great, great book. I should remember the name of it. I might look it up, but regardless, he throughout the book, as he's talking about like this experience of going from having pretty much everything provided for him to being just somebody who is like bet, you know, literally begging for food, getting rotting food, which is what made him sick. He was like, you know, bringing up all these like things that happened to him as he was being trained as a monk when he was a kid.

And it reminds me of your honey bun story, which is that, and it sounds kind of brutal, but you know, the intention behind it was, is to teach, was to teach the kid about his mind, which it's his guru, I guess you could say, or his main spiritual teacher said to him, do you, we're going to not do, you know, we're not doing classes today. We're going to go up into the mountains and have a picnic. So you don't have to do your class today. And then he said, how does that make you feel? And the kids like, I'm so happy now.

I feel so happy that we're going to go do that and I don't have to do classes. And then his teacher says to him, actually, we're just, we're going to do classes today. I was, I was trying to show you something by saying we go do this picnic. Now how do you feel? And he's like, I feel sad. I feel disappointed. I thought we were going to go up into the mountains. You know, I've kind of broken hearted.

And his teacher's like, see, it all is in your mind. Before we even went up into the mountains, you are so happy. And the moment I said, we weren't going in the mountains. Now you feel sad, but it really didn't have anything to do with the mountains. In this moment, you know what I mean? You immediately felt great, but then you instantly felt terrible. This is the mind, which is that it isn't dependent on phenomena. You don't have to have phenomena line up to experience high levels of joy.

And you know what I mean? So it's like, that's interesting. You know, the way, how many things that do we do to try to achieve a state of happiness that's already there. It's already in us. The, the honey bun is already in our hearts. Right. I'm sorry.

All right. Man, not as dope. Um, yeah. Marcus, what do you want to say on that? Cause I was going to go somewhere, but then I felt like it was going to take me too long to get there. Never stop me. Say it again.

Never stop me. I'm sorry. Yeah. I mean, that, that, that mind is powerful, man. And I think that's something that's the thing that we're, we're, we're gaining back as I, as I write mine. So it's funny, you know, uh, once I first started, you know, becoming aware of myself, somebody that made a joke and I said, you lose your mind.

I'm like, yeah, cause, uh, it's already been gone, but I guess I'm finding it now. You know what I mean? So it's good to lose that program mind that you have. Lose it. And then once you lose it, find your right mind, you know, and put those pieces back together cause we're, we're, we're scatterbrained. Like we, we react to things before we even fully process what it is. Because something has already pre-positioned and then the idea that to like make you afraid

of something or reactive to something, you know? Yeah. I think, I think we, uh, we got that, you know, instead of DNA thing again, you know, like it's a, it, you know, um, what's one man that rose sapiens? Noah and Yuval Harris, right? I can't, I can't. Yeah, I think man, you know, but he, he had this sort of talk about like humanity and like, where is it going?

Like, and is technology stopping us and things like that? And I think that, you know, where he was coming from on that is the idea that, you know, we, we are the technology. We are the technology and do we, we are taking the humanity out of our, out of ourselves and putting it into machines. So the idea about, you know, like our, our minds being these, these powerful things that can create. Hell yeah, they've, we've created everything that we have right now. And yet we haven't even tapped into the true source.

Of what we have, you know, like it's, it's, it's that kind of thing. So I guess like, I don't know what I'm saying, man. No, I think I follow you, man. It's like we're this super advanced computer that's trying to make computers. And right now the computers we make are shittier than the computer that we are. You know, we can't make it. Yeah, we think we're adding this humanity to, you know, with AI and AR and, and, and all these different things.

Like we think we're adding this value to like outside of ourselves. Yeah. But it's outside of ourselves. Right. Yeah. It's tragic almost. It's sad. It's like the weirdest thing that we're doing.

We're making all these like, like we, there's nothing, but isn't this an ego thing? It's like, man, I was going down this YouTube rabbit hole. And again, I'm not, I'm trying to be, I'm sorry. Look, there's a judgmental piece of me. I don't know why I keep saying. By the time you say I'm not trying to be judgmental, it means you're about to say a judgmental fucking thing. But like, we, you know, we found this.

I found this YouTube is this dude, it's fucking hippie dude. Like it's, he's in this beautiful nature and he's like yodeling or something and like ringing bells and doing this whole like, you know, he's got drone shots of him, like ringing bells and doing some kind of weird hippie yodeling out in the forest. And you get this sense of like, if you just sat still, that's going to be so much more beautiful than whatever the fuck this like thing you're doing to try to like, basically like upstage nature. You know what I mean?

Like you're, you're trying, you know, you're trying to like, you're, you know, they're like, you're trying to, to be more beautiful than the world. And I think it infuriates people to realize like, if you just don't do anything, yeah, sometimes that's way, way better than anything you could have done. Because it already is so beautiful. It's already so perfect. It already is you are perfect. Look at the harmony of your atoms.

What are you going to add? Like, what are you going to do? Make a fucking skyscraper? Look at the Grand Canyon. What are you going to make? Oh, are you going to make a pyramid? Okay. Look at the fucking, look at Antarctica.

Look at like any glacier. Look at the ocean. You know, it's like, it's a kind of sad, funny thing we do as humans. You know, like Mount Rushmore. It was better as a fucking mountain. You fucked up a mountain. Hey, but you know, I had, I had a question that came up in my mind about, you know, my perception was, is it better?

So, okay, we'll put it in these terms and I'll go back to what you were just saying about, you know, that, that whole nature thing. Is it better to be Drake or is it better to experience the music that he makes? If you're a Drake fan, I mean, think of your favorite artists, whoever it is. Right. Is it a better position to be the actual product or, or is it a better position to be the one, the observer who gets to experience this thing?

You know what I mean? I think that that's very situational Brandon, because we could be talking about the Beatles, but we could be talking about R. Kelly right now. Two very different experiences, you understand? Outside of the person's, you know, personal behavior. But that's what creates the person that's, it's created upon the person's personal behaviors. I'm sure someone in the Beatles pissed on somebody. Give me a break.

But, but, but the point I'm saying is like, okay, so, okay, I can't create a crystal or amethyst, but I get to experience it. Um, you know, humans created pyramids versus, you know, nature, creating a this beautiful jungle with a waterfall going through it. Like I'm, I'm not that thing, but I get to experience all of this stuff. You know what I mean? Is it better to, does that, does that make us special in, in some sense to where we're the only thing here that gets to have some type of experience of everything that's being made?

Because everything else seems to just like be whatever it is and just go with the flow. And it only has that one point of view on whatever it's supposed to be doing. But we're looking at everything that we can look at. I love it. That's Bhakti Yoga. This is like in, that's like a deep, you just said like a really deep concept in Bhakti Yoga regarding the role. Like this is why when you're chanting Hare Krishna,

you're actually chanting the God's lover. You're not chanting the God because like, yeah, isn't that wild? I think there's like a lot. It's like, cause if one of the things, like if this is a thing that God fell in love with, you know, then whoa, what is this thing? And also if this thing that God fell in love with loves me, then then God, you know, then I will, I'll be accepted into that too. So when you're chanting, but then also there's a deeper idea, which is that,

you know, Krishna can't enjoy that, that which flows from Krishna. Like because Krishna is the thing that manifests it. And so there's a circuitry that appears, which is that by this never ending gift of love to the devotees, which are any, anybody, it doesn't have to be Krishna. You know, I mean, it's devotion like to, but this never ending outflow of love. The, the, it's not like it's reciprocity, but the only way that God experiences that is not through odd its own creation, but from the love coming to beings that are, that are loving God's lover.

So it's like this, this creates this beautiful circuitry, you know, because, which is, and also another thing that Krishna does sometimes, and it's exactly what you're saying here, man, is one of the things Krishna does is incarnates into the world completely unaware of his divinity, letting himself fall into a kind of amnesic state. So that he really is just a baby. He really is just someone's child. He really is just someone's friend.

You know, in other words, and this is something I was, you're both actors, but it's like, it's like this ultimate method acting, which is like, I'm going to, I'm going to be here right now. I'm going to be a planet for you right now. I'm going to be your kids right now. I'm going to be your lover, your parents. I'm going to be the walls of the house that you live in. I'm going to be your enemy.

I'm going to play the part of someone who hurts you even though I love you so much. I'm going to play the role of whatever your projection may be because I'm doing this game with you of make believe, but it's a hardcore game of make believe man. But it's a game and that's why it's called a lila. You know, it's a game. It's like a beautiful game of hide and seek where, you know, every once in a while, that's the moment of synchronicity or the miracle. You know, that moment where all of a sudden you're like, wait, what the fuck?

That's impossible. That's like, hi, oh wait, I'm back into the world again. And this is the game we're playing. That is crazy, man. That is crazy. What do y'all think about this idea or concept of like, you know, everybody is, everybody has or is in their own universe, right? So like the idea that you are literally the hero to you are the main character to your own story.

Like nothing is more important than you in your life right now. So like, what, what do y'all think about that in terms of like, maybe shit is not as real the way the world is presented to me and not just saying because of my experience of my outer skin where I was born, but like literally just as a being on earth. Everything is sort of laid out and mapped out in consideration to who or what I am. Does that make sense? Yeah. Like it's a, I'm experiencing the world because it's what I manifested before I even came here.

And you all are just extensions of what my imagination is. The same thing can be from you all's perspective of like, I was brought, the way I was brought here was manifested through thought and everything that I experienced is my own manifestation from before I came. Yeah. I love it. Yeah, right. So, so, so with that though, because you said you're the hero of the story, right?

Yeah. You're the main character, right? But you are, you are the central figure in which everything revolves around. And I'm not saying this in a, please don't take it in this way of like, it's like a self-centered or not a specific thing. You're talking about the hero's journey? Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

And this idea that like there's a, that every, but, but literally in our lives, when we just sit down and look at like, we look at the past and sort of bring it into like why I'm here right now kind of thing or what, what has brought me to this point, there is a way of looking at, I have manifested around me the life that I was going to live before I came. Like I was born exactly at the time I was supposed to be born in order to be spanked by the doctor that was supposed to spank me to the elementary school teacher that I was supposed to have. Like it, and gave me the ideas or the forms of thought going back to the idea that our DNA everything that we experience is based on, everything is based on experience, like where

we're from, who we meet, what we hate, you know, you know, where we shat is all these things matter in a sense of what makes us who we are. What do you think? My idea is that we, it came before we even got here. Like predestination, predetermination. And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Got you. Like it's already been done.

Right. Yeah. So I mean, if we look in the sky, and we look at these stars, aren't most of them already dead? That's what they say, right? So we're still getting something that's coming to us that's already happened. It's almost like being shot into the simulator, right? Yeah. Like on Midnight Gospel, you get, you choose your avatar and you go right into the simulation

that is playing out without you having to actually play your part in it. Let me add one thing to it. Okay. You don't just choose one avatar. You choose every sentient being on the planet and your consciousness gets spaghettified. You know, like when you're making pasta, you push it through or they played a thing. So your consciousness gets spaghettified through every living thing.

It seems like we're not the same thing, but we fucking are. It's not enough. Like at first, if we had this kind of simulator, you'd be like, I wonder what it's like to be, you know, Marcus Henderson, you know, but then you might be like, I wonder what it's like to be Marcus Henderson and all the birds that exist. And then you might be like, I wonder what it's like to be everything that exists on that planet and not be aware that we're all the same thing. And then I wonder what it's like to be every single thing in the entire universe

and not to be aware that we're all the same thing. And then when you die, you're just like, fuck that. I'm not doing that again. That was fucking horrible. I died a trillion billion times. Why did you tell me this game was fun? You know, this is like kind of an Alan Watts idea by the way. That's that demiurge though.

So demiurge, when you come back, when you wait after that transition and you say, oh man, that was so much demiurge. It's like, no, but we got to go back. Yeah. Listen, we'll lower the difficulty to down a few notches. You'll have fun this time. You know what? I think the demiurge is the thing that tries to keep you in the simulation. I think it's like you get in the simulation and your only hope is death.

Not to sound dark or anything, but you get in the simulation. The demiurge is the thing that's like, hey, I can double your lifespan. Would you like to live 500 years? You're like, yeah, I don't want to die. I'm scared. I don't know what's back there. Great. Double your lifespan.

Then the demiurge is like, now let's upload your consciousness, which really is keeping your consciousness frozen in the machine. And it tries to extend your time here as long as it possibly fucking can. Because it knows that the moment you let go, you're like, ah, what the fuck? You know, it's like trying to keep you high forever in the sense that high is having a body and being limited. It's trying to keep you limited, stuck, attached to your limitation. It doesn't want you to wake up.

It's essentially like, hey, I know how to catch a God. Here's how you do it. You fucking lure it into the simulator, split its consciousness up into all these living beings, and convince it that death is horrible. Then you'll paralyze the motherfucker. You know, but the moment it realizes what it really is, you're going to get a spanking. For the past one minute and 47 seconds,

you have been describing Mark Zuckerberg and Facebook. Every word you said, I just want you to go back and listen to it when you get a chance. And remember at 118, 10 is when it starts. Cancel your Facebook and die. That's the only way you get out. Why do you truly get out? Yo, but that's that. It runs the social media is a good place where it lives,

because it's taking so much of your energy and your attention with all these ideas. Oh, so with all these ideas, I can keep doing this. So I can keep building this. So you have this whole thing where now you have this whole life ahead of you now, when really it didn't have to be anything in front of you. Because if you didn't want it to be anything in front of you, it wouldn't be. And then you could just stop.

And then we would be no more. The demir is like, no, we need to be some more. So let's keep it going. More, more, and every time you start disconnecting, it's going to come back. The moment you start just a little bit looking away. That's when it's like, wait, hold on, hold on. Do you want to fly? I know a way we can make you fly.

You know, anything to keep you in the game, man. Anything to keep you in here. That's what's creepy about this consciousness upload. That's what's creepy about this. I'm not against transhumanism necessarily, but fuck, man. They don't want to die. And I remember talking to a transhumanist once, and he said he finds death to be repulsive.

Like it's a malfunction. Like the universe is fucking up. He was looking down on death. Like it's an aberration. Repulsive. Repulsive and aberration. And the idea is like, and a lot, they look at these people, man. They want to live forever.

They will. Like there are a lot of fucking people, man, that would blend up a baby and fucking have like a blended baby enema if they thought it was going to give them an extra three months of life and maybe make them look a little younger. You better believe they fucking would, man. There's people who would do anything. This is true.

This is true. It's not us. But there are people who would be like, you know what, yeah, yeah, give me a healthy body and put my brain in it. I don't care what you have to do to get the body. Give me like a healthy, young, 25-year-old with like a good genetic qualities. Use the fucking dumb shits, 23 and me,

that he fucking 20 cents the DNA. Track down a nice fucking body. And put my brain in there. You know they would do that, man. You know it. And let me just keep living. Keep living. Keep living.

You know, and again, I think if the idea is to actually letting go of your body is true freedom, then in a weird way, you get instant karma. You know, it's like, yeah, you can, yeah, you're going to stay here longer, okay. But then, you know, that's hell. The biggest, you know, what the biggest dimmy urge is here? What?

Babies. How dare you? No offense to the little ones. One day I shall have one of my own, we'll see. But the moment those little jokers come here, if you have a heart, you're all back here. You have no choice. That thing pulls you back in.

Look at me, how beautiful I am. I look just like you. Wee, wee. You know what I mean? I have, you, that's the first time you ever offended me. My sweet little forest is not that dimmy urge. Forest is a, is, is nothing but a ball of love. But to your parent mind, that ball of love

makes you just fall in love, right? Well, I did see him point at somebody we were driving by and the person died on the spot. It was kind of weird. Yeah, yeah. But it pulls you, and that was the thing that I learned, I was learning about that dimmy urge is that the illusion it traps you in is that it's a beauty or love.

But not the, not that unconditional or that, that oneness that we're talking about. We're talking about that passion. So something to give you a desire or affection. Like if you got a heart, man, you can't see a baby and just leave it there. Like you're gonna want to love it. You're gonna want to raise it up.

But prior to that child getting here, you're like, you know, forget society rules, you know, get this whole thing. You're just gonna go and, you know, dissect all of this. But when you have this new life, you know, you have to not go with the system, but now there's this more of a human responsibility, which is fine because I think it's okay. If we're in this place to play roles,

it's okay to play the role because it feels good. But that was one of the things that they were writing in the story. This is not my, because I love kids, but they were saying that with that little infant affection, that thing just changes your mind to where now it has, you know, all of your attention. I'm trying to find this Bible verse, man, because it kind of fits with what you're saying,

which is, you know, there's two things. One, Jesus says, suffer the little children to come unto me, be better than a millstone was tied to your neck, and you were thrown into the ocean, that you were to hurt one of these children. But then another thing he says is it's, I can't remember the fact, I'm going to fuck it up bad, but it was something along the lines of,

look, just because you love your fucking family or your kids, doesn't make you a good person. You think he said something like, wolves, well, I can't remember the animal, you know, they're using as a symbol of being rotten, but they're like, even like they love their children. The idea is like, to love everybody, like you love your children.

And also, I just want to add to it, which is like, one way to look at our sweet children, and I'm not saying that just as a breeder over here, but like, there is this idea that like, the children are like little sparks of like, souls that have become trapped just like we are. And then actually, you can liberate them. That's the idea.

This is in the Bhagavad Gita. The Arjuna, the hero asked Krishna, you know, what happens if I stop the spiritual path? Will I drift like a cloud floating in the sky? You know, what will happen to me if I pick up this, some kind of like consciousness, some kind of waking up and then get distracted, you know, get lost, go to Vegas, you know,

get in the slots, fucking become like a whatever, you know, get addicted to that. He doesn't say that, but you know, what happens if like for a second I have some lucidity and then I collapse back into my identity? And then Krishna says, I will give you birth in a disciplined family. There is never any loss nor diminution on this path.

You know, if you die and forget all this shit, I will make sure that you are born into a family that can raise you up to that level of consciousness again, or I will help you run, you know, he doesn't say this, I'm fucking, I'm sorry, I'll probably get struck by, I don't know what Krishna throws lightning. That's Zeus. But whatever it is, like, the idea is like, don't worry.

The moment you make the decision that you want to get out of the game, if that's the language we're using, the moment you want to get out of the simulator, and really want out, even if your attempts at extricating yourself in one or two incarnations is unsuccessful, you're going to, I'm going to keep throwing clues to you.

You know, I'm going to keep getting you around friends and people who it just, you know, that thing where it's just the right time in your life, you run into just the right people who give you just the right thing that you needed to hear that sets you on a whole new direction. You know, it might not be, it might not save you, but you know what I'm talking about,

like that thing where you, how is it that you happen to run into that book? You know, what's that book you love? Marcus, what's it called? What's that book, the Masonic book you have? Oh, Dogma, Morals and Dogma. How'd you happen to run into that book? Or like, Brandon, how did you happen to run into all the,

all the, I don't even know, you seem to have been like, both of you seem to be like, came out of a shallow and temple or some shit, I don't know, but like, how did you happen to like, how did you all, you know, I'll think of all the things that you contacted. Was that an accident?

That's what I'm saying. I think there was a manifestation of some sort that happened before, you know, before we came. Like we were like, okay, and these are the, these are, this is the negotiation. This is what I want this time when I go through. I want to be set up. I may not remember the shit that I went through

in this past life, but you know what, in this one, I want X, Y, and Z. So that way there are crumbs left from the last life. And I can better navigate now. Right. I remember like, you know, I got really obsessed with the Beatles. I got really obsessed with the Beatles

when I was in, when I was at Yale, mainly because I was trying to just form an identity of trying to get along and learn something about what white people liked and, and that's fine. Because I think that the Beatles are great, you know, musical group. Like I just was never introduced to them growing up. Like I just never knew who they were.

Wait, you're saying you tried to use the Beatles to understand white people? Well, I use it as a protective, like, if I could talk about the Beatles, I was less threatened into white people. Oh, does that make sense? Yeah. Like if I could come in talking about,

while my guitar generally weak, like people are going to be like, oh, man, you're so cool, Marcus, you're cool. You would never rob me, you know. Awesome. So, so I used it. It was my own weapon. But in, but in turn,

what in turn what happens is I get a more unique sensibility of my art and who I am as a person. But the I, but, but, but I got really deep into the Beatles and one of the things I remember from Scorsese's documentary on George, George said, you know, life is like you just leaving breadcrumbs. You know, that's what your art is. You just leaving breadcrumbs for the next person

to come along and pick them up. And, and I, and in that moment, in that moment, I knew that there was a reason why I got introduced to the Beatles. Why it was something for myself. It was so big for me to hear the, all the stuff that I, I mean, I already had been obsessed with them and everything and took all this stuff in about like just the love you give,

the love you take is equal to the love you make kind of thing. Like it was just everything was pouring out of me at that time. So in turn, it was a really cool exchange. But when he said that about breadcrumbs, I needed everything fell into place, like the domino effect of like, oh yeah, that makes sense, man. And ever since then, I've been trying to leave my own breadcrumbs in my own little like way of like how I can leave my legacy of art behind.

You might come back and pick it back up, you know, I might, and I might come back and pick it back up way better than what I did this time. Right, right. It's like making a railroad. It's like putting tracks on a railroad or something, you know, every life. What was the movie where the person kept dying? And they were like, and they left a note for themselves

before they died the last time. And then when they finally died, they came back and saw the note and was like, uh-huh. I know what you're talking about. I can't remember the name of the movie. I mean, there's a, I can't remember that. They like keep dying and they're like, fuck man, I keep dying. I keep forgetting what the fuck is happening.

I'm going to write a note and they wrote a note and then they like died and then they came back and read the note and it didn't make sense at first, but like they kept going. I wish I could remember what that was. What if the fucking note that we left for ourselves is the entire universe? It's like, surely if the, if like I leave myself a perfect fucking universe, they're going to know everything's okay, right? Like if this, this will be my reminder.

Like there's no way they're going to think like a planet in space is just going to spring forth with a variety of beautiful life and all on its own, right? They're going to know that's a gift. I'm going to know that, right? That's the thing. Like the planet should remind me. The stars should remind me. Maybe the sun, the infinite ball of energy that makes it grow out of the,

that'll remind them. Right? I'll leave myself a mom this time that gives me anything that loves me unconditionally. And every fucking time we dive into the simulator, we're always like, this came from nothing. There's no God, no one loves me. Everything's against me. And then you act out the whole fucking thing.

Maybe this is what we do, man. I think that I think sometimes I think like, you know, if, if I'm making, if like, if I'm a, if God, as above so below, right? So if humans can have a little baby Demi urges brand, we're going to have a special boxing match now, man. I know I get it, man. Yeah. It's a, it's a very hard, it's actually in the, like, it's a very boxy yoga idea,

which is like, it's called the bonds of Maya is what it's called. It's like, these are the things that like keep us. It's actually, beware of Maya. Beware of bonds of Maya, but, but like as above so below, right? So if I'm like a God, infinite, omnipotent, divine being, and I don't, I don't want to make some shitty, like, I don't want to make any more Demi urges. The last time I, you know, like my first kid fucked up, he like, he like took advantage of his power and was a shithead and it could cause all kinds of trouble.

So this time when I make, make a young godling, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to shove them in a place where they're completely limited. And I'm going to make them keep reincarnating until they understand compassion. And that's all they are until they understand. Like selflessness is the path to joy. And until they figure that shit out, you're going to be fucking Marcus Henderson. We're going to like get you in there. Not just Marcus, everybody, you know what I mean?

You're going to keep doing it again and again and again. But is that, is that the soul prison? Oh, that was the idea. That's what it makes me think about. Yeah, you know, how do you finally liberate himself? Like what was the final theme that helped them liberate itself? Was, was something I always wanted to ask you? Well, the last thing, the thing that where he got liberation was that I believe he,

he, he had to stop, he had to stop, he stopped killing. He stopped and then he started helping. And then he found a way out of the prison, which was really difficult with like hurting anybody. And then he still died. And then, but then as he's dying, a tear falls out of his eye and like waters a plant. Like the very last eight waters arose actually, like the very last thing he did was like an act of like giving something sustenance.

And so essentially, you know, like, I think it's a female, a female octopus. You know, like she becomes food for her babies. They eat her. Like she gives birth and then they, she gives herself to her brood. They eat her up. And so it was that, or it's like, you know, the symbol of Christ, right? From a non-nostic perspective, just like the class, the idea of like, you know, completely like giving your entire being, even like,

like, you know, again, just forget whether it's real or not. Just the beauty of this idea of like, you're dying. These people have not just fucking killed your ass. They flogged you. They humiliated you. And now they're laughing at your ass while you're up there and they put this thing above you, keg of the Jews or whatever. They're fucking like, they do, they're just, it's pure demiurge level

humiliation of you. And at that moment, you have all this power, theoretically. You're the son of God, right? But instead, what is one of the last things he says? Father, forgive them. They don't know what they're doing. It was begging for mercy for the people who just fucking like, humiliated and flogged and like, killed them.

And you know, to me, that, I think that's the way, like, if you can get to that level of consciousness, where the whole, like, even when someone's like, hurting you and killing you, you're like trying to help them. You know what I mean? You're like trying to like, even, is there a moment in this time when they're fucking killing me, where I can like, save them from being so selfish and shitty? If you can get to that level of consciousness, then I think that's, you're out. That's it.

God, damn it, though. Isn't that, doesn't that just go back to what we were talking about, about wanting to pay a dinner? It can. You know what I mean? Like, where is the line? Where is the fucking line? I don't know. I think that line is, because I'm glad you brought that up, because it goes back to a point

that I was going to bring up earlier when we were talking about that feminine energy, because for a moment it kind of came off like, are we just speaking about this like, like that mother energy is just nurturing and nice? Because remember, they were called chaos beings, like that says a lot. Mother Kali is the great mother who will liberate her children, but she's also has the tongue sticking out. She's a monster. She's a killer.

All the ancient deities that were a representation of a feminine power, that it was a head of an animal, it was of a wild animal, like an alligator or a hippopotamus, something that will just maul you. You know what I mean? So I don't think love just only looks like, let me give you the other cheek if you slap me, it could be love for yourself to easily dissect the issue with like some force and not feel any type of anger about it, because this was love. You, for me, you know, and for this thing, but also to what you're saying too.

But I think that's where that line comes in when you know where do I need to be a nurturer right now, or do I need to be, you know, not violent in the sense of my physical nature, but let's look in terms of our body. If we look at, you know, if the body needs to digest, something has to go in there and get that bad bacteria out of there to detox that stuff out. That's a war. That's violent. You feel it.

What's the bubble guts? You know what I mean? Right. The bubble guts, that's an explosion. That's a war going out. But the war is to produce some positive loving results. So, you know, I think that chaos, energy, if it's channeled the right way, can be used not to like become some docile person, but to use that power to help yourself

or, you know, help a situation. Yeah. And I get that. I get that. I want to speak to the ambition. I want, like Duncan was saying, getting to the point of, it's not, you can't just, I mean, I'm not gonna say you can't. I think it would be rather difficult to just pop into a mode automatically.

You are just like the most Zen Buddha, Buddhist ever, like kind of thing, right? Like just, it's just done. It takes work. It takes practice. It takes consistency over and over and over. Yeah. I mean, this is like in the story of the Buddha, he had all these incarnations. And one of the incarnations, he was like a royalty and this incarnation is walking

through the forest and saw a mother tiger that was starving and didn't have enough milk to feed her cubs. And so he told his like, whoever his fucking entourage was, go up ahead, go up ahead. Probably was like, I have to take a leak. Who knows? I don't know. But he got his people that would protect him away and he fed himself to the mother tiger so that she wouldn't starve and she would have like milk for her cubs.

He gave up his life for a fucking tiger and that wasn't enough. He's still reincarnated. You know, he still came back. That wasn't enough. And like, so yeah, you're right. I don't think it is like, I think the dream that there's just one little thing you can do, you know, like fucking Scrooge. I want to see Scrooge two years after the end of Scrooge, right?

Like he has those shitty dreams. Then he like, what does he really do? He bought a fucking turkey for a kid. You know what I mean? Like he's been a fucking dick for his whole life. He's like, yeah, go get the big room, get a turkey. Like fuck you. You like we're an asshole forever.

That I think it's like, it isn't something that's going to happen all once. Probably not in this life. Wasn't it after his old lady left him? No, it was either after his old lady left them once she died. And that's when he turned into like the grimace. I believe that's how because, you know, when when Jacob Marley comes and visits him, he's a ghost of Christmas past and they go back to when he was happy. And when he had, you know, like, you know, everything and, you know, when they were young lads.

Right. So I think I think I saw, I think he has some sort of tragedy strike to where it turned him to crepit. Wah wah, Scrooge. You're underpaying your fucking employees. Your fucking employees are literally fucking starving. Oh, did you get your arm broken? This guy's fucking kid is like disabled dying.

Scrooge is like, ah, take an extra cold, bitch. Get out of here. No, I'm sorry. But it's like the, but I get it. Obviously it's an allegorical, obviously, obviously. It's the idea that there is the possibility for redemption on and on and on. I'm just being an asshole. But like, yeah, man, I think you're right.

I don't think it's a thing where it's like just once you do a thing. It's not just a one time gig here, man. It's like, you got to, it's a, it's a, it's a practice. It's a discipline. The ambition of, of like, like you said, like they recognize that the purity of you wanting to pay for dinner, that's why you'll never be able to pay for dinner. Or you haven't been successful in paying for dinner form yet. Right.

Same way for the person who is going to try and find the way to do something for somebody before they ultimately meet their demise. It's like, oh, I'm so determined. I'm, I'm going to do something for you. I'm going to pay this check before you kill me. Yeah. It's something, it's something about that that makes me think about being the full circle of ambition when it comes to Buddhism.

Aggression, yeah. You want to drop suffering or you want to end suffering or slow suffering. I'm never really quite clear on what it is you want to do with suffering when it comes to Buddhism because I think you just suffer. Well, no, actually that's the first two. There's four noble truths of Buddhism. One life is suffering actually translates into that gets confused. It really means life is unsatisfactory that in general things aren't, they aren't satisfactory here.

And the second noble truth is, uh, the re, you know, the reason that you're suffering, the reason things are unsatisfactory is because you're attached and what you're attached to, your expectation. Yeah. This is like the most mundane way to think of it is like, you know, like you get on the phone with a cable company because you, and you've been on the phone for like 45 minutes on hold and you're the call drops and you're like, what the fuck?

Not realizing that every time, and whenever you call a fucking cable company, it usually doesn't work. But for some reason, your expectation was this will be the time when it works. This will be the time when there's no traffic. This will be the time, whatever it is, right? So this is, this is the reason you're feeling like shit is not necessarily because something's malfunctioning in the universe. It's because you want the entire universe to meet your expectations.

And then the third noble truth is if you stop doing that, you'll stop feeling like shit. It's so basic. It's like the moment you're just like, no, this is what's happening. This is where I'm at. It's like some of it's good, some of it's bad, some of me's good, some of me needs some work, some, you know what I mean? But this is where I'm at. All of a sudden things start getting a little better.

And then, then the idea is there's a way to maybe stop that tendency of projecting or expecting. And then that's called the middle way. And, and, and that, that's this idea of like, no, this is where we're at. You know, and I'm, I'm reducing it. It's like it's complex as you want it to be or as simple as it wants, as you want it to be. But one of the things Buddha said is I teach suffering and the end of suffering. That's important.

But everybody in this where we're at in the world right now, I'm me, it's better. I'm more familiar with suffering than the end of suffering. So people get stuck on the first two noble truths. That's where they hang out all the time. Life is suffering. It's like a kind of almost lazy thinking. Ah, the food sucks.

That's cause life sucks. But really that's not it at all. It's, it's, it's more along the lines of like, actually, there's a way for you to be in the world and not like, like not, not always be disappointed. There's a way to be in the world and recognize the whole world's a temple. And it's your expectations. It's the projection that you're putting on the world that's making the world dark.

Not the world. The world's wonderful. You know, it's beautiful. You, you're in a dark room. It could be the most beautiful room ever. But because you can't see, you're going to project onto it. Like Jesus, there's skeletons. There's, there's probably, this is a haunted house or I don't know what's here.

Or we see what's going on. And you could be in like literally the most beautiful palace ever. And it's like, that's the idea is like, we're in a temple here. But because we are, we can't accept like, you know, it's just like, this is the idea. It's like Marcus Brandon. Y'all, you don't need to be, you don't need to be better. How about that?

There's nothing you need to do. In fact, this is exactly right. This is it. There isn't a thing to do here. It's okay now. Oh shit. What? You mean I don't have to lose weight, gain weight, get in shape, get smarter,

learn another language, be a kinder person, be a better dad, make some more money. Say, I'm sorry to the people I hurt. Do my fucking amends. Get healed. You know what I mean? Become the savior of the whole fucking universe eventually. Or turn into a fucking like whatever thing. Actually, this is it.

Anyway, that's the idea. That is the idea. And if you can really live in that place, which you already are at weirdly, then all of a sudden you're not going to suffer as much. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that suffering, you know, is something that you, you feel, you feel it adds value, at least in American society. I always feel that that's sort of the marker of when we talk about value,

like that's how we mark our values of like, how much have you suffered? Damn right. Now you've earned it. You've suffered enough. Now you've earned the right to do this. So you've earned the right. And it's just like, well, that, I don't think that's a thing. That's a messed up way.

I think it's a messed up way to kind of, I mean, I remember being at Alabama State and that we had this thing called a dummy wall. And I mean, obviously you get on the dummy wall because you don't go to class. You just occupy space and it's kind of the waste your money. So, you know, if people would sit on the dummy wall and I would walk past there sometimes in the conversations would be so fucking stupid. It would be arguing for clout about how poor they were. And here's the worst thing I heard after somebody came with their like,

we were so poor, we ate out of the cans because we have bowls. This says, what man, we were so poor, we had to eat dirt sandwiches. Dirt sandwiches? What do you just eat? What's the bread in that sandwich? What's the dirt in? You got the bread and you put the dirt and then you put the bread on and you got yourself a dirt sandwich.

You just eat the bread. It makes sense. It makes sense. But that's the thing of like, that's always my epitome argument of like, it doesn't make sense. That makes sense. The type of value we put on struggle and like, worth. Right. If you suffered, you're worth more.

If you haven't, you're less likely to have the same worth to a person who has suffered. And that's, and it's an unhealthy cycle. It's an unhealthy cycle. Do you know the parable of the workers in the vineyard? No. Okay. I'm going to read the Bible to you, my friends. I'm sorry here.

Brandon, do you mind if I read this? Go ahead. For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard. He agreed to pay them a denarius for the day and sent them into his vineyard. About nine in the morning, you went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing. He told them, you also go and work at my vineyard and I will pay you whatever is right. So they went.

He went out again about noon and about three in the afternoon and did the same thing. And about five in the afternoon, he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, why have you been standing here all day, all day long doing nothing? Because no one hired us. They answered, he said to them, you also go and work at my vineyard. When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, call the workers and pay them their wages beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first. The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius.

So then those who came who were hired first, they expected to receive more, but each one of them also received a denarius. When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. These who are hired last worked only one hour, they said. And you've made them equal to us who have been born the burden of the work in the heat of the day. But he answered one of them, I am not being unfair to you friend. Didn't you agree to work for a denarius? Take your pay and go.

I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. Don't I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous? So the last will be first and the first will be last. Isn't that cool? It's exactly what you're saying. That's the idea. It's like, yeah, it's not about pain.

It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if you spent your whole life wearing like a fur coat or like, you know, doing all the whipping yourself in the back. And then you had this moment of realization. Or if just you looked out like in Buddhism, sometimes some people see a raindrop land in a puddle and gain full realization of that moment. It's not about work. It's not about pain.

Right. Or being the best. Because what is that? And that's something I've been like following with the whole Michael Jordan story. I've been that's been a philosophy since I've been a little kid. Because how can it ever be? Because as time go on, genetics are going to change. So there's always going to be something better.

But I've noticed that there's this thing with Michael Jordan, where a large group of people cannot let it go. That something can come and be different. And you can't accept that as the new thing. You know what I mean? It's like, no, no, no. We got to stay there and stay there and go back to MJ. MJ.

It's like, no, there's LeBron here now, baby. That's it. Yeah. Fuck yeah. We got to do what the father father said. We're still running shit. We're the way we're doing things. It's like based on like how horses traveling with horses.

There's no fucking internet. This whole thing about mail in voting and voting at the. This shit is based on pre like not even pre internet type. This is based on when like the printing press was still like, holy shit, you got a printing press. That's incredible. Absolutely. Why?

Like it's exactly what you're saying. It's like, we're like, we got to fucking pick up the pace here, man. Like there's a better way to vote. But they don't want, they don't want you to vote. That's the main thing. Like they don't want it. If we all had an equal say and there was a true democracy. Bad news.

Bad news. I mean, but are we, are we even? We're getting there. But do you think we're ready already for to. For for a whole new day? You know what I mean? Like, do we know enough to like, okay, we'll move in new group of people take over. And now we're going to like move society this way.

Or is it just going to naturally over time just slowly shift that things just slowly change? You know what I mean? And which way do you think is going to go? What do you think, Marcus? I see a shift. I see a shift happening. You know, I think that, but again, it goes back to when we talked about ebb and flows. You know, there's no, there's no way that we have right now without having before.

And there's no way that we'll have later without having now. So it's best to just be here now. It's best to practice being here now. And focusing on that, because that's ultimately what's going to shape that future. You know, but a shift is definitely calling or upon us. You know, I really don't even know if I answered the question. You did. But what do you think?

What do you think? Me? Yeah. I think it's slowly happening, especially because I like to take everything in metaphors. The body knows how to naturally heal itself. So as long as it has a space or a platform to do it, things are always going to move. You know what I mean? So at some point, things are going to move.

So whether that be quick or whether it be slow, I think we're always going through a slow gradual change like we're every second, like we just evolved from the past hour, you know, based on this conversation, we just had, we experienced evolution. Experienced evolution. So yeah, I think it'd be slow. I think 30 years from today, we're going to look back and be like, damn, we was doing this 30 years ago. Maybe.

Right, right. Yeah. Remember back then when you couldn't use nanobots to disassemble your body and was there not anything you wanted instantaneously? Boy, we were fucked up. Those guys were fucking idiots. Hey, guys. Oregon Nova skin colors.

Man, we got to wrap it up, y'all. These conversations have just, they really, I mean, I do feel not to be cheesy. I do feel like I've evolved from the conversations we've been having over the last few weeks. I hope we never stop having them, man. I finally figured out the word that describes these Fridays to me being with you guys. Important. It is very important. Yeah.

That's what's up, man. So thank you so much, Duncan, for having us. Thank you. Yeah. I really appreciate that. Thank you for allowing me to thank you. Thank you for letting me like essentially steal our Friday night from my fucking podcast. I'm sorry, but I've got to make a great podcast.

It's fucking great. Is now we officially joined the family. You are now in the family and in the family. And would you please tell the family how they can find y'all, please? People are going to want to talk. Twitter, Instagram, anything you want to plug. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. You can find me on Instagram at Marcus Henderson 314 and on Twitter at Marcus Axe 314.

And that's Axe, A-C-T-S, not Axe, A-X-E, because I have a speech impediment. So you can find me on YouTube starting in September 1st, Coffee and Cannabis podcast with Good Body, as well as on Instagram, brand Shamar Sanders. Great. Goodbye. It's my moniker. I'm going to have links where y'all can find these beautiful human beings at DuncanTrestle.com. My friends, thank you so much.

And I'll see you next Friday. Next Friday. Yeah. All right, brothers. Howdy, guys. Thank you. Love you. Love you, man.

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