Duncan Trussell Family Hour - 395: Lou Al-Chamaa

Episode Date: August 16, 2020

Lou Al-Chamaa, record A&R guy and co-host of In My Feels, joins the DTFH! You can follow Lou on Twitter or Instagram, and listen to In My Feels here. This episode is brought to you by: ExpressVPN - Visit expressVPN.com/duncan and get an extra 3 months FREE when you buy a 1 year package.

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This is my podcast, the Ducket Trussell Family Hour podcast. Why is it called Family Hour? Many reporters ask me. Sometimes at the beach, I'll be with my family, relaxing in the sand, rubbing coconut oil into my beautiful wife's pregnant stomach. While my child frolics in the sand with his wooden toys, because we are a sophisticated family,

and we raise our children in the Montessori style. And suddenly, sometimes, they come out of the sea. Sometimes, they come galloping down the dunes. There have been a couple of times where, much like the sandworm in Dune, they'll come exploding out of the sand, cameras flashing, screaming questions to me. Why is it called the Family Hour?

And I'm not going to answer it under duress. And honestly, I'm not going to answer it now. Because to me, to bend to the paparazzi is one of the last things you do in our beautiful city of angels before you find yourself consumed and devoured by the ever-present darkness of this place. Yeah, sure, I could say something too. I'm like, well, I call it the Family Hour,

because the idea is that we're all one human family, not just a human family. We're a galactic, space-faring civilization. We just don't know it yet. And we're not just a space-faring civilization, you paparazzi fucks. But we're a time-faring civilization. We're traveling through time right now.

Don't you get it? Don't you understand? We're all just particulates in a cosmic time machine. We've made the decision to move in the direction of the future, that in fact, we're also moving in the direction of the past, because we are the attention of the transcendent, falling upon our individual identities. Don't you understand?

I call it the Family Hour, because we are not just a galactic family. We are not just a universal family, but we are a transcendent family. Have you not heard the Hare Krishna's say, asinkasinkabeta tatva, simultaneous oneness and difference? I call it the Dugga Trussell Family Hour,

because we are a family internally. There's a subjective family. Some of the mitochondrial DNA inside of me, I consider to be my uncle. Some of my gut biome. I send Christmas cards to my gut biome, and they send me cards. They're beautiful little E. Coli children.

Yeah, I got E. Coli, but I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to bend. For now, I'll let you imagine for yourself what I call the Family Hour. Yeah, sure, I could say, well, I call it the Family Hour, because it's a moment in time. We don't know what's to come. We don't know what happened.

We float like a tiny little portal, like a tiny little scope peering in to a dimension that is largely shaped by our projections. That's why I call it the Hour, but I'm not going to do that right now. I'm just going to ask the paparazzi to stay away from me and my family when we're at the beach. Have I gained weight during the pandemic?

Yes, I'm not going to be shamed anymore by your beauty standards, paparazzi. Am I the Duncan Trussell that appeared on the 1999 edition of GQ? No, am I the Duncan Trussell that appeared on the 2004 edition of GQ? No, am I the Duncan Trussell that appeared in every GQ every year, right around spring?

No, and am I ashamed of that? No, and sure, it would be easy for me to say I have begun to recognize that my human form is temporary and transient, and I'm not using that recognition as an excuse to neglect taking care of my human form, which is as much a part of me as the transcendent identity. But sometimes, I'm going to give myself

a little leeway when it comes to self-shaming, because I've learned to embrace my temporary human identity in a field of love. I could say that, but I'm not going to fucking say that I'm not going to let some paparazzi listen into this. Disgusting, sleazy rocks off. I'm not going to let some paparazzi listening to this pull his pants down and start slowly massaging

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Climb out of that claustrophobic geo position slime trap that you fired yourself in. Liberate yourself with the glory of Express VPN. Thanks Express VPN. Here's an email I received a few days ago. Dear Duncan, I just wanted to let you know how much I love the Duncan Trussell family on our podcast, how much over the years this podcast has meant to me

and has transformed me into what I like to think of as a far better person. I've become incredibly happy. I'm in shape. My hair changed color. My eyes are a more vivid blue. And I think I owe all of this to the Duncan Trussell family on our podcast,

but I just want to say you're a fucking sell out piece of shit because of all your stupid fucking commercials. How dare you make me listen to your fucking commercials before this podcast that has meant so much to me and has really amplified my ability to experience love in the universe. If nothing else is just giving me something fun to listen to, I just don't understand how you could be

such a fucking steaming pile of garbage that you would put commercials in my favorite podcast. One day I hope you fucking wake up with bees that have climbed into your ass and waited to sting you until they'd somehow made a thriving ass hive. And then they all sting inside of your ass at once and fly out. And I hope they swarm around your wife's head

and they all smell like your ass. And then they sting your wife's head and fly away because of all the commercials you do. But I do want you to know how much you mean to me and I'm so happy that there's a Duncan Trussell family, our podcast for me and my family to enjoy. Sincerely, Prince Garlon Twat. Well, Prince Twat, first of all, thank you.

I'm glad you enjoy the podcast, but I just want to say that if you don't want to listen to the commercials, you could easily go to patreon.com forward slash DTFH and subscribe. You're gonna get commercial free episodes of the DTFH. It just dives right in to the interview. And if you want to do the video tiers every Monday, every Tuesday, we have a meditation every Wednesday.

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And I really don't think it's cool that you are threatening me with poop bees in my family. It seems weird that you're this simultaneously like me and are angry at me. So it really makes me question whether or not the podcast has done anything to make you into a happier, great person. And also I would just like to finish up by saying

that I hope that scorpions, like thousands of tiny scorpions figure out a way to burrow into your nipples. And I hope that they burrow down, not into your heart. I don't want you to die, but I hope they burrow into the, just around the circumference of the nipple. And I hope that they burrow a very intricate system of tunnels where they lay their eggs. And I hope that right as you're falling in love with someone,

as you're eating dinner with them and beginning to realize that you're falling in love with them. And right at the moment where they would also realize that they're falling in love with you and that this would lead to you having a really wonderful marriage and recognizing the beauty of family and how incredibly powerful and simultaneously fulfilling and challenging a family could be.

I hope those scorpions explode. I hope every single one of them explodes because of some kind of cosmic flare that they're somehow connected to an interstellar cosmic and right at dinner, right as you're about to profess how much you love this person who was gonna lead you into an incarnation where you're no longer such a selfish prince, I just hope they explode.

And just like loudly pop and that scorpions and blood and bits of your nipple fly over the table and land in your future loves food that they get in their soup or their mashed potatoes. And then they swarm up into their mouth and they sting them all about the lips and make their lips swell up. And because of this, the whole possibility

of your happy life seems to be temporarily like it's not gonna happen. And I hope that you recognize it's because I cursed you. But then I hope that these scorpions reverse time and go backwards, back into your nipples where they sort of lay dormant for the rest of your life. And you do get to have a happy family but you know that if you ever send me a shitty email

like that, next time I'm not gonna fucking reverse time on your nipple scorpions. I'm gonna let them blow up your fucking nipples and swarm your family. So don't send shitty emails like that anymore. And again, that's patreon.com forward slash DTFH. I hope you will subscribe. Also friends, we got a beautiful shop

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I ran into today's guests in the most beautiful way. Noah Cyrus and today's guest, Lou Al-Shamar reached out to me because they like Midnight Gospel and I was invited onto their amazing podcast in my feels. And during this conversation I got to have with Noah Cyrus who is amazing. You gotta listen to her music, it's so good. I was nervous, I'm not immune to the power of celebrity

and especially when celebrity and talent intersect. And also during this conversation, I got to hear some of today's guests' amazing philosophy and realize, oh fuck, this is like a high level manifester. This is somebody who is really smart and is using, you know, it depends on what you wanna call it. You wanna go Harry Potter, you can call it magic. You wanna go Tony Robbins, you could say he's an entrepreneur.

There's really no difference. But regardless sometimes when you get to get a download from people like this, it really kinda like, it's like getting a chiropractic adjustment for your energy form. And I hope that today's conversation does the same for you that my recent bout with overdosing on magnesium did for my bowels, except instead of causing you

to have explosive bowel movements for about a day, it clears whatever blockages might be getting in the way of your ability to grow the kind of garden, a phenomena that you want to have flourishing around you. Everybody please welcome to the Dunkin' Trussell family, our podcast, Lou Al-Shamma. The Yeah It's the Dunkin' Trussell family.

Lou, welcome to the Dunkin' Trussell family on our podcast? How are you today? I am honored and awesome. I'm feeling unbelievably good. A little nervous. I'm not going to lie. Hey, that's an honor. I'm honored by your nervousness.

You know, I'm a little nervous too. You know, you all approached me for your awesome podcast and your feels. And, you know, it was such a great conversation that we had. And then in the midst of it, I realized, oh, cool. I don't know if you would call yourself this, but I like many of the people I have on my podcast, they practice magic.

Yes. Would you consider yourself like, is it too easy to say that you practice magic? No, I don't know. It's difficult to say. I mean, I feel like I'm always practicing, but I'm always just myself. So this is always me all the time.

So I guess, I don't know. I don't think I would separate it as a practice. I think it's more as just a way of living. Gotcha. Okay, cool. You know, it's all semantics, really, but before we dive into the philosophy part, though, let's just do the grounding stuff.

Speaking of nervousness, you know, I start researching you. Yes. And whoa, you're the guy. You're the man. You're the guy. Like, you're the guy who, like in the dream of singers. Yes. So I mean, I do many things as my manifestations

because I'm from a background. I mean, you know, my mom was a single parent up until I was 12, you know, we were raised on welfare. There was five. My mom was, there was five of us. So I'd always had a street hustler mentality. So you never really did one thing. You always did many things.

Because if you had some revenue stream broke down, you had 20 others that were picking up the pieces. And I've kind of adopted that moving to LA as you do. And, you know, so, you know, I started off in music. I actually started off, I was an electrician, qualified electrician. Yes. So when you, you know, when you start off, you know, your mom's like, go make some money.

You're like, okay, cool. Let me go study to be an electrician. And this shit is actually fucking hard. Oh, yeah. Like I had to do maths. Like I dropped out of school when I was 16. I didn't do it. I hated that shit. But I had to retake them to do the electrical.

And I passed that shit. And I was like, this is actually pretty good. Where did you study to be an electrician? It's, it was in Islington College, which is like North London. Of all the jobs, there's a few that terrify the shit out of me. Pilot, scuba instructor, and electrician. You know, there's other ones too.

Cause you can really, that's one where you can die. There's a lot that you could die. I guess construction worker, but let, something about just that possibility. You know, I hung a light the other day. And I remember like just treating it. I felt like I was working in a nuclear reactor. Just a sense of like at any second,

you could just go into your next incarnation. Zap, you're gone. Yes. Yes. So that's why I quit because I got electrocuted on, I switched off some power. And I didn't realize it was an emergency power light switch. And I was on a ladder and I got, I was held on, fucking held on for dear life.

My brother was there too. So basically you're supposed to kick someone off the ladder if you see them, but he thought I was joking. So it felt like an eternity of time, but it was probably about three seconds. Oh. What did it feel like? It felt like, I've never felt every cell in my body vibrate.

But at the same time, like you're actually gonna die. It was, and it was, it was emergency power too. So it's way stronger than the normal voltage. How long do you get, how long before you would, have a heart attack? Or what is it that kills you from being electrocuted? I don't even know, to be honest. I just, I know to wear the rubber boots and then try and let go.

I know the safety procedures, like don't touch anyone, like basically poke them with a stick or those type of things. But yeah, I let go and I just went, I basically swore at my brother and was like, fuck you and I'm out. And I pretty much quit that day. Great decision. Yes.

And then I started to kind of, you know, I'd always send demos round or of people I was managing at the time. And I was hustling and I managed to get an internship at a record label, which was RCA and I worked there for free for about 12 months. And I was like, I had to give up my side hustles, but I was still doing the part-time electrical stuff. Yeah. It was three days there and four days at the label.

And then from that, I kind of transitioned full time into the A&R point, which would be the point between the artist and the label. So A&R. Right. I'd sign artists and pair them with great producers and songwriters and then, you know, strategize when to release them and just basically try and have hits. Listen, this is fascinating because like, you know, you said,

I want to jump back for a second before you made your first big move. So you, how did you, who was your first artist that you worked with? I mean, there was tons, so many. There was an artist called Chipmunk, which was, it sounds funny than it is, but he's actually a rap artist. He's actually a pretty dope rapper. And I was managing, I was doing the label and managing, so I had this songwriter show up and hand me a CD.

This kind of young black kid, he was incredible. And he was 17 and he handed me a CD where he was country rock, pop, R&B, all on one CD. And there was one song that we did that we actually ended up playing to the artist Chipmunk. And I remember I pitched it to another artist who turned it down and it ended up coming out and going straight to number one. Whoa.

Yeah. So it went to number one and I was like, holy shit, I can do this. How old were you at the time? Oh, shit. I mean, 21. Damn. That's insane. I mean, that's crazy.

And when I was 21, I was like, I was, I was like in an ambient haze. I wasn't literally, but you know, I didn't know it. I just certainly didn't have to wear with all that I would A, have the guts to like even represent anybody. And were you going to shows all the time? You're an electrician, you're going to shows. I'm just saying, what's the point? We're like, I'm going to start rapping people just because I mean,

at the time I was dating a singer and so I was always kind of involved in the music side of it. I just knew that I had to make money. So my side hustles made me money so I could focus on doing what I wanted to do. But yeah, but that that number one came came pretty easy. But I mean, still 21. I look back now, I was like, I didn't know what the fuck I was doing. I don't think I mean, no one knows what they're doing, not even now.

Oh, and it was just I just kept learning and I learned very early on in music. It's usually first name, dot second name at company dot com. Right. And then I was like, fuck, I can reach the whole planet. Right. So I would call email like random fucking top executives and they would email me back because I was sending good shit. Shit.

This is I mean, it's crazy. Also, you were like, it seems like we don't have to get into that part of it because it's all over the internet. It seems like you got pulled into this updraft, man. You were like, you know, touring around with a very, very famous person. And like, you seem like at that age, you just it seems like a lot. It was a lot happened at once. It seemed it was a world.

And I mean, I can't dive too much into that legally. Reason to. That's not what this podcast is like. Absolutely. But, but, you know, I could I can trace back my thoughts and feelings and emotions as being a twenty one year old was I was conflicted as fuck. Like I was it was a whirlwind and that's exactly what my life was then. But, you know, I loved it.

I love the journey. I love the learning. I'm always consistently learning. That's one thing I've always been aware of. I mean, you learning in the sense of like you're just all you always have something you're working on to try to teach yourself. You're I just approached it honestly. Like I'd be in the studio with fucking like when I was twenty two

and with Justin Timberlake and fucking all these people. And I'd be like, holy shit. And I wouldn't be like, you know, you're Justin, can you put me up? It would be like, yo, how are you? Right. And they'd invite me to their birthdays and then we start hanging out. And I was like, I was just just a guy in the studio who was happy to be there. Right.

Not trying to get anything from anyone. And I ended up making all these friends who ended up becoming some of the biggest songwriters and producers in the world who are still are consistently. Right. And we kind of all came up together. But I mean, like I used to sleep on couches. I said all that whole struggle is is beyond and more. And I love that struggle.

Like I worship it. I love it so much. Me too. You made the decision in your mind. I made the decision in my mind. I'm just not going to do the normal thing. Yeah, I don't care what I, you know, some people I think just I think they it sounds fatalistic, but they decide, look, if I if this I'll just die.

If this doesn't work, I don't the there isn't this is just what I'm going to do. And then if it works out, great, great. But if it doesn't, well, at least I died trying trying to, you know, get beyond like the normal kind of possibilities that are presented to you when you're a kid in high school, you know, when they do the exam, or I don't know if you took that test to see what you'd be proficient at. You know, that thing, the job test. And it's like, oh, you you'd be a good manager and a company, not like a manager.

But, you know, you'd be like a good like manager at Walmart or something like that. You're like, I'm not doing that. We don't have those tests. We don't there is no it's funny because I mean, I didn't I didn't take my. So when you I guess when you're a 10, you take an exam, which pre predetermines what which classes you're going to be in the upper school, which is from 11 to 16. And I didn't take those exams. So I was always put in the lower classes for so for out my whole secondary

school, I was always in lower classes. And then when when you finally went for your exams, they were like the highest you can get as a C, even if you get 100 percent right. See, I'm like, what the fuck am I doing here? Right. Oh, and everyone celebrated getting the results. I was like, fuck this, I'm trying to make some money. Yeah. What are you making money?

Music at the time? Did you do you? Yeah. So when when I was in school, I had I was I used to work in a printing firm, so I used to print magazines. And you know, there was this whole, I don't know if you remember, but there was this massive story of, you know, celebrities aren't how they look. They're retouched and all that. The story came out.

We were part of that, but we were the company that would retouch the images if there was a ring call, if there was a sagging fucking ass, if there was, you know, a boob that wasn't pushed up. We would do all of that shit. And and I loved it. I could I could take a part of printing machine and put it back together. No training. This is just shit I had to learn because the company was so cheap.

We had to repair the machines ourselves. And I loved it. And I was making, I don't know, 200 bucks a weekend at like 14. I was working from the age of 12. So I was making about 40 bucks a weekend from 12. Wow. And now in school, I was bawling like it was like lunch on me, whatever you guys want, we're good, but I still got free dinners, you know, because we were, you

know, I wouldn't say we were poor, but we were, I mean, we were pretty poor. Yeah. So you get free dinners. And I used to walk in there, head held high, give me my free dinner ticket. I'll get my meal and my juice, carton. I used to love that shit. So even back then, you had this attitude, like even back then, you were you were you had figured out a way to do this kind of alchemy that converts whatever

the experience may be, even if it's a kind of experience that will be mortifying for some people into something that isn't bad at all. No, I think, I think because we had no choice. We had to, you know, you know, I had younger brothers. I had older brothers. I we we took care of each other. We had all brothers. All brothers.

Yeah. Wow. Say, same dad. No. So, I mean, none of our dads stuck around. So my, I guess my biological dad, there's three of us. Then there's one with someone else who didn't stick around. And then there's another one who, yeah.

So three, three, I guess, three different dads. And then my stepdad had a son, too. So there's I think there's now six of us. I don't mean to get all deep in psychological. I love it. This is what we're like. How do you think that, you know, my mom was married three times, divorced twice. And sometimes I wonder, like, man, how did how does that affect a kid?

You know, you know, how do you think that affected you being in a big family going through that it's not just like our parents like just casually get divorced or casually meet new people. I mean, it's like that's a lot of drama, man. How do you think that affected you? You know, it was funny, though. I mean, we it was just us, though. So it sounds like a big family, but there was no extended grandparents.

There was no my mom was raising an orphanage. So there wasn't any extension. It was just us. So we had just us. And we didn't really, I mean, there'd be boys would be boys. But the rule would be not you're not allowed to hit in the face if you had a fight. Body shots are OK. The face is who made that rule. Your mom. No, we did. OK. That was just agreed upon.

You can hit each other in the body. You're not going to have no face punches. Yeah. But we I don't know. I mean, looking back now, I mean, I don't know. I can look at it back now with happiness. But now having a door, I think it affects me more having a daughter now, because if I seen some like some shit. So but when you're in it, you don't know that it's shit.

You know, I used to live by a place called murder miles, which which was literally people, teenagers would get stabbed or killed just coming out of your house. There was a whole road where countless murders would happen. So there was a weird energy around that place, but it was home. So you wouldn't separate yourself from it. You were it. Right. You know, you'd leave school

and there'd be people waiting outside trying to rob you. So it was you'd have to figure out different ways to go to school, because you know that certain times those people would be hanging around that time. But it wasn't it wasn't like it was a scare thing. It wasn't an attract. I don't know. It was a weird thing. Now I know the attraction to it. But I mean, before we get deep into the whole consciousness thing, I always knew I wanted more.

So I'd walk past, you know, nice cars and be like, you know, I want that. I'm going to have that or I'd walk past nice houses. I'd be like one day I'm going to have one of those or whatever. It's not I'm not a materialistic guy now, because I don't give a fuck about that. I think that's why I tracked it so well. Oh, but I always believed there was so much more. And I wasn't I wasn't prepared to just lay down and die because there was no there was no option for that.

Did I was it like did you have a sense inside of you? In other words, it wasn't just like you had desire. Was it like did you have a sense like you already kind of knew that you were going to figure out a way to achieve that level of success, even though you might not have understood the path you were going to take to get there? Or were you just like, I want that and I'll figure it out. I don't know if that's a great crime. Just saying like seems like some people they just sort of know.

Just kind of already know it's going to happen. It's strange because now I can look back and say that I knew. I wasn't aware of the knowing, but I knew I'd look up at the stars and I'd be like, what the fuck is out there or the moon on a full moon? And be like, is there someone fucking up there? Is there life on other planets? Is there any of that type of stuff? And I would always believe that there was.

And I think that's what kind of kept edging me towards the spiritual tip of, you know, I know about responsibility. You know, I had to raise my younger brothers, you know, bath them, change them, feed them all. And I loved it. And I loved it. And being the middle child, that kind of that taught me so much responsibility. So I always felt I was ahead of the curve because of that.

What did your mom do? My mom, my mom was a cleaner. Gotcha. She would take us to all her cleaning jobs, which we loved because she'd be in these nice apartments and we'd be running around the house, be like, fuck. And we were kids and we'd be like, look at this, look at this TV. Look at, you know, all that type of shit.

We used to we used to have a rental TV. So, you know, when you get a TV and you put like a money in the TV. So that yeah, so you can rent a TV basically. What? Yeah. So you didn't if you didn't have the money to pay up front, you could rent the TV. So you'd put the coins in and they come and collect the coins, which would be the money for the TV.

Your TV was like a slot machine or something. We had a we had a pay phone, too. Because I mean, we'd always be calling girls and shit. My mom was like, fuck this. The bill is too high. So we'd have to go and change up money and put coins in and in your house. Yes. Yes. Holy shit.

I've never heard of that. That is how long do you get for like a quarter on a TV? Not very long, especially calling a cell phone from it from a landline. The TV, what's a quarter get you? I don't even know. I can't even remember. Wow. Look, I'm getting to in the details here. I'm just you just blew my mind.

That's like a that is a Mandela effect thing. Like that's it. You come from an alternate dimension, friend. I don't even know if those exist in this timeline, but that is wild. So the TV was free. It's like, here, we're going to bring this to your house. But you're going to. And then some guy would come over once a week or once a month and like the money.

Yeah. And that would be you paying rental for the TV. And when you finish, they take the TV back. That is the trippiest thing ever. OK, so you suddenly have just trampolined out of a childhood where, you know, if people are placing bets on what you're what what an average future is going to be, just based on statistics and stuff, I don't know that people are going to be putting money on you. And especially if it's like, you know, this guy is going to become the guy.

You know, like that that is to me, it's just it's a beautiful story. So suddenly you find yourself swept in to this wild world and you're young. And I don't mean to be negative here, but how did you keep from killing yourself? I mean, it was it was tough. I didn't, you know, the the press are constantly hounding you. I was not that guy. I've never been that guy. I've always liked press. You know, I hate them. Yeah. Yeah.

I they the twisting the, you know, the the freedom of speech is so twisted now that nothing is ever freedom of speech. It's kind of the freedom of misinterpretation. Right. So I'd always learned to be honest, I never trusted anyone anyway. I mean, being from where I'm from, you don't trust no one. And that kind of helped me. And now I trust everyone because I have no reason not to press myself.

So yeah, it was it was a whirlwind. It was a great journey. It was a character building for sure. But to be honest with you, I mean, when I worked at that printing firm as a T-boy, per se, you know, you'd make teas for people, you go and get food for people. I was bullied like fuck. Like I was bullied so much and I used to be so quiet. And then one day I turned around and I looked at the guy.

I mean, I'm swearing so much, but that's kind of my character. And I turned around to the guy bullying me and I said, fuck you, leave me alone. Yeah. And he stopped. And I was like, holy shit, I have a voice. Right. And I must have been 15, 14, 15. And I was like, wow, and since then I've always used my voice. I speak my truth and I'm like, say exactly what I want and how I want it. Um, within reason, obviously.

And that was kind of the turning point, which led me. But I realized like business is all the same, man. It's just I call it myself now the honest hustle. And I was always an honest businessman. And the same principles, you know, you buy phones on the street, you sell them, you buy them half the price, you sell them for more to whoever. Right. You buy, you know, fake watches, you sell them for more. You buy, you know, I used to sell trainers from from China just to pay the rent.

So, you know, I'd figure out where the fuck factories were that made Nikes. And they'd always make overages. So like, say Nike would put an order in for a million shoes and they do like one point two, because, you know, some of the pairs would be a little messed up or an air bubble would be would be popped. And I got in contact with those people who knew those people. So I used to order shoes for like dirt cheap and sent to my house. And then I'd sell them for like just under asking price.

And that shit paid for my rent for years. Wow. This is so cool, man. This thing, why is it? I mean, I remember on the school bus, there was always that kid who brought the candy in the box and would sell the candy and that kid was loaded. And I would always just think like, and also you couldn't. There was everyone wanted to do it, but since he was the candy kid on the bus and he'd sort of asserted himself as that, it wasn't like he would get you.

If you brought your own candy and kids would try. Yeah, bring their shitty boxes, but he had the best candy, the most variety, you know, and he would get, I would just look and think, why am I not doing that? How it can't be that easy. But what do you think that is? That some people figure that out and some people don't. Some people figure out this, this world that we're living in right now, for better, for worse, it's designed.

The whole system is designed so that you can do exactly that thing you're talking about, which is find a thing and sell it for a little bit more and make a profit. Why do some people end up just not ever doing that? Always getting, you know, there's just some people in my family. You know, my my folks were kind of where they weren't entrepreneurs. What do you why do you think some people don't believe that that's even possible for them or what what makes some people take the leap into that level

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and you'll get 10 percent off your first order of a website or a domain. Thank you, Squarespace. I think it's, you know, thoughts, thoughts become things. And I didn't know that at the time, but my predominant thought was making money. So the idea of making money would come to me or I'd find it. I'd go search for days and days and days. I used to sit like even when before I got a label job, I'd sit in my pajamas on my computer emailing morning, noon and night, thousands of emails.

And I'd get rejected from every single one, but there'd be one that would go through. My predominant thought was always not on success, but it was on money. I didn't give a fuck about success. I didn't care if anyone knew who I was or any of that type of shit. I just pay me. Wow. That is I mean, I still have that mentality now because I know that money is freedom, especially in today's society. I mean, you can you can live as a Buddhist and not want to own anything

and do any of that type of stuff, which is great. But where I am now is like freedom for me is raising my daughter full time and and and doing things like this that I love and can enjoy loving and not having to do something to pay the bills and which I would do anyway. But I'm now me about that. So this is what I would love to hear. And I think you're the man to clear it up. So many people think that you cannot

consider yourself a spiritual person. And have as one of your motivations, making money. People think you need if you're a spiritual person and you've got that mindset, something's something's off. You're supposed to not ever think about that. And I've always found that to be a really like ridiculous expectation that spirituality can't intertwine with working in the marketplace.

But can you talk about that a little bit? Yes. Are you aware of Osho? Yeah, absolutely. Fuck, yes. So he's the perfect example of having being spiritually rich and attracting riches. My dude just literally put his hands to his thing. Would just be like, hey, everybody and these these white people would throw him money, Rolls Royces, helicopters, cars.

And he's like, shit, they keep giving. I'm not asking for it. I'm just open to it. Many people look down on him for that. I mean, that's the fur. I remember the whole Osho limo thing, the documentary that came out about him. And that's, you know, that's one of the signs. It's like, hey, your guru's got a fleet of limousines.

You better watch out. But see, that's all they had on him. You know, if it wasn't that, it would have been something else. If it wasn't, you know, it was like, I watched that documentary from such a standpoint of a third person. So like that that that documentary frustrated me. And everyone's like, well, they were crazy. They poisoned this people.

They did this, they did that. And I was like, yeah, but you're missing the point. The point is U.S. Society just tried to destroy them because they didn't understand what the fuck they were doing. They were there openly. And again, it was a sex cult. No, people were open to have sex.

That's fine. That's not illegal. That's just great. People want to do that, do it. Free choice is free will. This is why the universe gives us is free will. So, and you know, again, I think this whole notion of it's the guilt factor of being successful while being spiritual.

But again, we have to go back to children. Children don't feel guilt. There's no, there is no guilt. There is, it doesn't exist to them. There is selfishness that exists. Oh no, that's mine. That's a natural instinct. So we can be selfish and not feel guilty about it.

So, and I think again, back to that documentary is, you know, he built something so special. And I wish he was alive now during that time because I'd be fucking there too. In a spiritual sense, but he, you know, I think we can also, it's the Buddhism teaching as well. You know, you have to shun all outside wealth to be spiritually enlightened.

But you know, Buddha was a rich man. He was born rich. He was raised in a palace. His dad kept him away from, you know, pain and hurt and heartbreak and all these things. And, you know, he wanted more because inside he was empty, but he had physical things. Anything he ever wanted, escape the palace,

saw homelessness or death, saw, and it crushed his soul. That's when the change came, meditated under, I'm just in the short version, meditated under a Bodhi tree, became enlightened, shun outside wealth to become spiritually rich enlightened. So everyone now does that practice, but you don't have to, if you're spiritually rich, you automatically attract riches on the outside.

And I'm not talking about specifics like Rolls Royce's or Watchers or cars. I'm talking everything that comes with spiritually rich. Yeah, look, I am in agreeance with you. I've always, you know, because I work with the Love Server Member Foundation, Ram Das' Foundation. And, you know, like that's one of the complaints sometimes people will mutter, like these are retreats,

they cost money, or where does the money, these people. But it's like, these are people. We live in the marketplace. We live in a, no one's photosynthetic. And I don't think there should be any shame in having the desire for freedom and the kind of freedom that you can achieve right now. A big part of that does come from getting paid.

And also, I think it's okay to not even, if you want to not even think about it as freedom, because it's just, yeah, maybe you want something. Maybe you want a really nice house, or maybe you want a Rolex. I don't know what you want. But whatever the thing is you want, you want it. And then the store, you know, in Buddhism

there's this term of like add-ons, which is, so, you know, you look at yourself in the mirror and you see a wrinkle. And instead of just thinking there's a wrinkle, you think, fuck, I'm getting old. I wonder how long before I start forgetting stuff. And then, holy shit, man, maybe I should get on testosterone boosters or something.

Am I okay? You know, I shouldn't have done so many drugs and you know the next thing you know, you're in this spiral instead of being like, oh, that's a wrinkle. Similarly, you might just want something, whatever it is, something that if you tell your sanctimony is fucking spiritual friend, they'll be like, no, no, no,

that's just of the material world. And it's so, but it's like, well, so are you. And so is the desire. So is the thing that popped into your head. And so I'm down, I'm 100% down with what you're saying. And I think it's really sad that some people squelch that part of themselves. Yeah.

And that, you know, thoughts, feelings become things and that becomes the attraction to it. You know, I don't feel guilty for anything that I buy or anything that I, you know, to be honest with you, I don't spend any money on myself. I find it very difficult to spend money. Anything else like house, yeah, solar panels, gated property, like my daughter, my wife, take it all.

I can't tell you the last time I bought a pair of shoes or some clothes or anything. I own one nice watch, one nice bag. And that's it, literally, because I was taught, going into a meeting, you need a nice watch and a nice bag. So those were the two things that I have. And they're not even that expensive in the grand scheme of things.

But anyway. I love it. I'm the same way, man, that's a dad. When you, that's the cool thing is because it's like, my God, you know, before I had, before I got married and had a kid, well, okay, I'm not gonna lie, I've bought some synthesizers since, but it's like, you know what I mean?

I would, you get caught up in buying shit for yourself. And then that's the joy of having a family. It's just that thing where you're like, oh yeah, I'm gonna get you a house. I'm gonna get the kid, one of those remote controlled cars he can drive around. Because you know, you go from being a me to a we. No, it is, you're not just an individual anymore.

You are this collective of like youth and your wife and whoever else is in your household. And there's a real delight in that, in letting, and I think there is a form of weird renunciation in that too, because really what do we want? You know what? This shirt I'm wearing right now, this is my first new shirt in a long time.

I've been wearing a pair of $12.95 on Amazon. Seven dollars. Beautiful. Which, I always ask the dad, is which car, remote control car are you gonna get her? Him, sorry. Well, we already got it. It's a monster truck.

There we go. It's just cause it's hilarious to watch your toddler drive around in a tiny monster truck. It's the funniest thing ever, cause they just, the way they just accept it. They don't know, just like what you're saying. You know, I also, I was not born into wealth. I wasn't, you know, I had the thing,

you know, this how you know you're poor when you're a kid. When you ask your parents, I was like, mom, are we rich? And my mom's like, we're rich in spirit. I'm like, we're fucking broke. Dad, sorry. You know what's funny? You know when I realized we were poor?

I was on the bus with me and my brothers and my mom. Woman sitting next to us, and I heard her talk to our friend and she goes, these kids smell. And at that point, I was like, okay. And I didn't tell my mom, cause my mom would have bitch slapped her. Like, that's the type of, my mom was very strong, very strong.

And it kind of affected me. I'm not gonna lie. For a very long time, I was sitting there going, wow, we, you know, I mean, we want, my mom, don't get me wrong, we wanted for nothing. Like, there was food there. We had everything we needed. Like, we got it.

And I remember on every opposite birthday, you'd get vouchers from the government to buy shoes. And I was like, yes. And because everyone around you, your friends were poor, everyone, it was like, it was like, there was no separation from it. It wasn't like, oh, you know, over there is there

and we're here, no, no, no, we're all in the same boat. Oh, but I was like, damn. And I thought about that the other day actually, and I was like, wow. But I love it. I love the fucking, like, I feel it. Like, I love where I came from. And that's some part of, like, obviously, you know,

I don't want my daughter to experience 1% of that. But then, like, I still want, I don't know. I struggle with like, her knowing where I came from without her knowing where I came from. Right. Do you know what I'm saying? I do. It's such a difficult line.

Cause like, you know, for example, the car I'm gonna get here is gonna be a G-wagon. Why? Because I've always wanted a fucking G-wagon. And I could afford one now, but I don't want one. I have solar panels now, I'm gonna get electric car. Like, that's just beyond me. But you know, like for her, I'm living through her. You know, I'm gonna get her a train set.

It's not for her, really. I love that you're getting it. It's for me. Let's me sit. You know. I love it. I'll get it out, man. I'll be on Amazon.

And I'll be looking at, like, magnet tiles. These, you know what I'm talking about? These things are cool as fuck. I'm looking at them and I'm like, you know, he probably needs more magnet tiles. And it's like, come on, you're buying the magnet tiles for you. He, you know, we buy him these awesome,

right now we've got this awesome wooden, wooden like car track thing. And you, he doesn't put cars on it. You know what he does? He likes to push it around the floor. He doesn't know what it is, but I love that you see it like that. It's a beautiful form of sharing.

Yes. Look, this is, so this is, let's dive into the philosophy now. Can I, can I read you a quote? Can we start with a quote? Yes. From Osho actually, one of my favorite books, the book of understanding,

which fucking has blown my mind, probably the best book I've ever read in my life. I have not read it, but that'll be next on my list. Trust, like you will shit your pants when you read this book. Beautiful. Same. It says, I do not believe in believing.

My approach is to know. And knowing is a totally different dimension. It starts from doubt. It does not start from believing. The moment you believe in something, you have stopped inquiring. Belief is one of the most poisonous things to destroy human intelligence.

All the religions are based on belief. Only science is based on doubt. And I would like the religious inquiry also to be scientific. Based on doubt, so that we need not believe, we can come to know someday the truth of our being and the truth of the whole universe. Wow.

And that's the opening page of the book. Holy shit. Yes. Wow. What I love about that is he allows doubt into the equation. Cause that to me is really a, you know, a lot of times people think if they're doubting something's wrong,

especially when it comes to manifestation. You know, there's this idea that if you find yourself in a doubtful mindset, then that actually could potentially push away some of the things you want. So how do you move from doubt to knowing? What is that process for you? Questions.

Questioning the doubt until it becomes a knowing. Okay. So let's bring it into like, so what's an exit? What's the last thing you doubted that you started questioning? I don't know. I mean, like I was living in a two bedroom apartment probably a month before my daughter was born.

And I was like, fuck this. I need to get out. I need a house. I need some space. I didn't doubt. Wow. I probably did. I started looking at a bunch of places.

We put a bunch of offers in. We didn't get it. And then we looked out where we are now and we put an offering and we got it. But getting the mortgage process was a fucking pain. Holy shit. I had to go through two full mortgage processes. I didn't, I don't know if I doubted.

I stressed a lot about getting the house. So again, on the manifestation tip, you can stress and it doesn't mean it's not coming to you. But my, I don't know. I probably doubted probably 5% but my stress for getting it outweighed the actual doubt. I don't know. I don't really doubt things anymore.

I don't. You mean you were doubting whether you could get that loan? Yes. I was just because of the paperwork and everything else that had to come with it. I had to take a higher rate. Like I had to do all that type of stuff just to jump through the hoops.

It's insane. I mean, it's like, they basically like take your balls and shine a flashlight under your point. They don't, it's, they look at, I mean, who could blame them? You're about to give somebody a shit ton of money. I thought, you know, I mean, you're like, I get it. Like you want to make sure there's no skeletons in the closet

but they check every fucking closet, man. I understand. But so during that process, you're like, I don't know, maybe this won't happen. Maybe this won't happen. And to be honest, we, this is how close it was. Like it was, it was the due date and we moved in. Wow.

And we moved in and I prayed. I said, baby, please be late. I've never like said that shit. I was like, please, it's not the right time. Let me get my shit together. At least get the furniture in. And the baby came one week later. Wow.

How was your wife handling that, man? Like, man, that's like, she's got her nesting. She wants to nest. Y'all are going through a loan process. That's intense. My wife's a hustler like me. She gets it. She's like, I mean, women are the strongest beings

on earth, factually. And this is why, you know, before we dive in fully on the whole manifestation tip, you know, my theory is, you know, you look at every religion and every belief system always paints women as second class, always as behind. Because I feel spiritually very early on from Adam and Eve days, from whenever, you know,

we condemned a woman who ate the fruit of knowledge. How the fuck can you condemn anyone who ate knowledge? Right. So spiritually speaking, men have always put women secondary because women are spiritually more in tune with the universe because they give birth to consciousness. Right. And I've always encouraged that in her.

Like, you are the power. You can manifest way quicker than I am because I have so many men, but don't get me wrong, women have so many hookups too. You know, you have to do this. You have to do that. Men have to be the breadwinner. There's all these fucking connotations

that don't exist that are instilled in us that we have to uncondition. Yes. My wife and I have been unconditioning each other since the day we met 10 years ago. We don't argue. We don't have disagreements. We don't, you know, none of that type of stuff

because we know spiritually we're in tune with each other and we're growing. We have these type of conversations all the time. And we grow together and we're always talking about, she's like, when I jumped onto this podcast, she said, manifest that shit. Wow. And I was like, yeah, damn right.

I mean, because like I watched your show and this is a perfect example of manifestation is in terms of an unrestricted thought. I watched your show and I was so in awe of it. I said, this shit is so fucking genius. Every episode blew my mind and it kept getting better and better and the topics you were talking about

and the visuals and everything made sense. And I said, I'm going to be on his show. That's so cool, man. To me, that's, you know, because the show was a form of manifestation and it's like interesting, right? That's the thing that seems to happen when you start manifesting stuff.

Other manifestors show up and then you swap data. You like, you know, like you exchange ideas and like, you know, you remind each other. You remind me of thing. I forget, man. That's my problem. I'll forget.

It's very easy for me to just forget some of the basic stuff. You know, grammar school level stuff, which is, you know, it's so easy to get lost. And for me, it's very easy to get lost in my mind and swept away. Sometimes I wonder if I'm doing that on purpose just because I love so much being swept into my head

and into doubt, fear, despondency, negativity. I somehow look like it's almost like a BDSM thing where it's like I enjoy the chaos and then more than anything, I enjoy dropping back in. You know, as Sharon Salzburg says, the healing is in the return. That moment when you drop back in and remember the thing that's so easy to forget

and then you're in truth again and then the magic starts happening or maybe I'm afraid or something that I don't know. Maybe there's some sense of some in like, and I think this is skipping ahead a little bit, but sometimes as I do explore the concept of manifestation and look back at all the things that did work, not accidentally, but worked when I was reading

the works of the great manifesters, you know, like reading Ernest Holmes, The Science of Mind or listening to people giving lectures like Michael Beckwith from Agape or something or even talking to you during the last podcast and then all of a sudden, boom, stuff just starts happening instantaneously. And then I start thinking, well,

there's almost a sense of like, how far can you go with this? There's a feeling of like, if I were to push this further or if I were to experiment with this more, would I stay alive? Would I even be a me anymore? Would there this, it sounds insane,

but sometimes there's a sense of like, if you did this enough, would you just kind of forget you were a person or something? You know what I'm talking about? Would you just wake up from a dream you were having that you were this limited being and suddenly be unlimited? And in that there, I don't know, it's ridiculous, but there's this feeling of like, shit,

I'm afraid like so much, I guess the best to summarize, so much of what the way people understand who they are and the world is through their perceived limitations. That is how we identify who we are, not by what we have or what we can achieve, but by where we're stuck. Sounds depressing, but wouldn't you agree? That seems to be maybe not for you,

but for a lot of people, that's where their mind lands. I think it's because it's, I mean, I'm trying to bring awareness back to the power we all possess. And I feel like when something bad happens to us, it's not us, it's something else. It's, you know, it's Sod's Law, as we say in the UK. Sod's Law is basically when something bad happens,

it's just, it's something that has happened to you. It's not in your control, whereas everything is in your control. Everything, the way you look is you are in control of the way you look, the way you, you know, all these life situations, your health, the way you die, you know? I mean, I'm gonna, I can get so deep

in all of this type of stuff. You know, it's the law of attraction. I mean, thoughts, feelings, emotions, your belief system, everything about you is your attraction. We're never not manifesting. We're always manifesting, even when you're aware of the manifestation, you're, you know, even health, even the weather, even,

because if you believe in manifesting from a standpoint, because I talked with somebody, but yeah, I believe in that, I manifested that good thing. And then something bad happens, they're like, well, no, that wasn't me. But then you can't truly believe in the power you have. Do you think you can reverse age? So I don't know.

I mean, the early texts said that Moses or they lived to 800. I don't know if that's completely correct, but because there was no limit on age. You know, how old, like we have birthdays for our children and it is how old are you? It should be motherfucking how young are you? Look, man, I've heard sex great. Yeah, that is a good way to put it, how old are you?

How old are you? And then you're like, you know, you wake up and you're like, fuck, I haven't slept, I'm tired, I'm this, I feel, you know, and then you see, I even studied people who lived to 100. And they're like, what's the secret to success? And to your life, long lifespan. And there is always a common denominator.

They were just content. They were content. It wasn't about manifestation or any type of bullshit. It wasn't awareness. They still drunk, they still smoke, but they did it in happiness. They did it in a place of comfort. How do you get to that point though, man?

This is, to me, let's start there, because I think you're right. You're gonna start doing, I mean, in Buddhism, but also in magical texts, in the ceremonial magic, or any of it, generally, the process starts with learning how to calm your mind. The process starts with shunyata. How do you, mindfulness is what they call in the last bit,

how do you, it's like getting to that place where you're no longer disturbed by the mind. And this is one of the things I love about you is that you're not somebody who was born in the palace. You grew a palace around you, but you weren't born there. And so these things that you're saying, they do carry a little bit more weight

in the sense that you're walking the walk. It's not, you know, you have done this. You definitely figure out how to do this, but talk to me a little bit about that. I have a real problem not being reactive when the phenomena around me is chaotic. I get pissed when my poodle starts barking. Sometimes I just, you know, I get caught up

if the news is particularly fucked up. There's a fire, holy shit, trending on Twitter. The San Andreas Fault earthquake swarms and it affects me and then I get lost. How do you find your balance in the midst of chaos? See, I first learned how to quiet the mind on YouTube. Believe it or not, I mean, I was like, cause I was tired, I was so tired.

I was so depressed. I was so, you know, anxious. My head was too heavy for my body. I used to get headaches or like all that type of shit. And I was like, and I've always been someone who's responsible. I'm like, this is enough, bro. Like me telling myself, I need to stop.

I think it was Tony Robbins who said, staring in the mirror for like five minutes a day or some shit and just smile at yourself. And I did it. And I said, this is the dumbest shit I've ever done. But it worked. I mean, I was like, and I started smiling. And I mean, I did it for like three days

and it kind of worked, but I would do this thing where, like my mind is eerily quiet. Like I can't believe how quiet my mind is. From, don't get me wrong, now, all I hear now is nursery rhymes from the babies TV shows and stuff. But I would do a thing of, I would sit there and I would count down. If I'm in bed, if I wake up at night or, you know,

before bed, I'd do 100 to zero. So 199, 98, 97, and you'd be like, fuck that bill. Oh, the baby or this or that or whatever's going on. None of that. 97, 96, you'd lose your place about a thousand times. The first few times and it's frustrating as hell. You get down to zero and you're like, oh, whoa. And then it all comes flooding back.

And then you go 50, zero, 50, zero, you do that for a week, your mind will be blank. I promise you. You're saying do countdowns when you're going to sleep and when you get caught in your thoughts, you start over again? Any time, any time, doesn't have to be sleep. It can be any time.

If you find your mind race, cause it's easy to count up. Yeah. I mean, it's easy to count down too, but it takes a little bit more of a thought process to be like a hundred, 99, 98, and then you get to 90. And every 10 that I get to, I say thank you. And then I keep going and then you go 50, zero, 50, zero,

and you do it as many times as you want. And then you'll notice like a split second of a silent that you've never felt before. It's almost like, I don't want to get too vulgar, but it's like, it's almost that point of when you masturbate for the first time. And then it's like the best explosion ever and you're fucking amazed.

It's the same thing. The gap. The gap. That gap in time where you're exactly in that moment. And it's a beautiful thing. I mean, it is so beautiful. And you're sitting there going, wow, for a split second, you are you.

Yeah. And then it all comes flooding back again. But I think that's the reason why manifestation isn't really a common knowledge thing because we don't work on ourselves enough. There is no, we don't spend time on ourselves. No one does. Right.

Well, yeah, because, you know, well, and also a lot of the times the manifestation stuff, you'll watch the secret, you'll hear it secondhand, you'll get an idea that it's a possibility. But some of the literature, it doesn't, at least I probably skipped over it, but it doesn't like get into the precursor stuff, which really is like what you're talking about.

The, like before you get into the bigger picture for, you know, it's like, okay, what you want to, my meditation teacher tells me that, you know, there's an, you know, I don't know, he's amazing, but, you know, there is the potential to like maybe levitate. You know, maybe that is something, but it's like before you, how do you think you can levitate

if you can't stop yourself from drinking every night? Like how do you think you can levitate if you can't even drink enough water every day to stay hydrated? Like how can you levitate? How can you gain that control, whatever that may be, whatever the magical act you're looking for, if you can't sit still for two minutes, you know?

So I think that's the idea, is first begin to find that calm space. That's the temple. That's like the temple you carry with you. And that's the place you can do the work, right? Is that how you see it? I'm not gonna lie, Dung, it's difficult. Everything you explained,

like I tried to do, you know, the Eastern meditation of staring at a blank surface, eyes open, doing the countdown with the breath, and it was agonizing. It was agonizing. But they do say, I did read afterwards that you can have a notebook there, because I had a ton of ideas come through

for other things and you can write stuff down. But I mean, it's, for me to become spiritually aware, I had to be in a place where I was comfortable enough to do it. Me, Lou Paul could not be spiritual Lou. Back where I was, it just didn't exist for me. I had no choice. That's why the Western culture now

is really picking up on spirituality, because the West has money. And they can afford now to take time out. And again, when I speak to people who are religiously, for example, Damien Eccles, who we both know, he's a master meditator, and he's dedicated his life to it. I don't think I could do that. And to be honest, I don't meditate anymore,

because I like where I'm at right now, and I like that there's some thought process, some not, some, I question myself, I don't, but it's me. It's never this kind of external source. I think Michael A. Singer is the perfect guy to break down the untethered soul and the surrender experiment, where he basically lives in a wood cabin

and surrenders himself. It's almost like if you throw a feather into the wind and it blows, that's how you have to be with your thoughts and your emotions and your feelings. And he literally built a cabin with no money, and he became this multi-multi-millionaire, because people just kept, but we have to remember one thing too.

So for example, when I was doing a job, whether it would be in a printing firm, or this shit job, or this, or that, I did it at 100% as if I was being, like I was like the world's best paid employee. And I think that's where some of us confuse. If you're working in McDonald's, that's fucking amazing. You're hustling, you're doing your thing.

Do it 100%. Do it like it's the end goal, because you know what's gonna happen. Your thought process will take you to the end goal anyway, but if you're half-arsing it, you're manifesting half-arsed situations to continue. Love it. That's for sure, man.

That, right there, that is it, that thing. That is, to me, that's actually one of the things I forget, but that is it. Because, you know, Ram Dass talks about this a little bit, which is, you know, in India, you might see a window washer, you know, and realize you're looking at someone, it's like watching a great artist. Like you're looking, like they're so fully involved in it.

There isn't a sense of like, I'm just a window washer. It's like, this is what I'm doing now, and there's a crazy thing when you see that versus somebody's like, well, I got this fucking temp job until I get my CD to Lou. You know what I mean? So I'm like half, I want to get the fuck out of here, that thing in your mind.

I know exactly what you're talking about. Like, to me, that is the wild quality of this manifestation. Is like, if you, there is a way that the entire glory of the universe can shine through you, regardless of whatever your activity may be, and you, and they say this, I've met some pretty advanced people, but never like the like alleged guru, the Osho or whatever.

But they do say that when you see people like that, whatever it is they're doing, there's this grace to it that's captivating. There's this, whatever it may be, there's this artistry to it that you never forget. And they're not forcing themselves to do that. They're not like exerting or anything. Because I think a lot of people confuse

being fully devoted to what you're doing with like just exertion. And I think it's not pushing harder. It's, you know what I mean? It's not like driving at a thing aggressively. It's a whole different thing you're talking about, right? It's like tuning in to it and letting that be the sum total of who you are.

See, I'm not gonna lie, ignorance for me was bliss. Like in terms of, I'm super happy now, but I'm trying to master the ignorance so it becomes bliss. So basically, you know, ignorance, for example, the food I used to eat, it didn't matter what I ate, I felt healthy. Now I know if I eat shit food,

it's in my mind that I've eaten shit food. So therefore I manifest my body rejecting this food that I enjoy. You see what I'm saying? So when I say ignorance is bliss, I mean it on that level of the, but the difference now is I know that everything in my life is me.

Every single detail, every single person you walk past on the street, every single, you know, everything in your life, even the weather, even like I study people who live around tornadoes. And they're usually a couple of types of peoples, you know, people who like to, who have a distinct knack for rebuilding

or wanna rebuild so their whole shit gets taken down. They're like, it's fine, we'll rebuild. And you're like, oh shit, okay. So, you know, like we wouldn't live in a tornado valley because we're just not there, we're not the attraction. And even as I said to you the other day, you know, with the earthquake that happened here, you know, I knew it was coming while I was sleeping.

And my wife did too, it was the strangest thing ever. And she woke up in a panic, the baby. I already had the baby monitor and I said, and I lent her back and I said, you're okay, we're safe. She's safe. And I felt safe the whole time. And again, we can't, fear is an attraction too. The things you fear come into your life.

And I said, and you know, even, you know, going to the cinema and watching a horror movie, the only difference from you attracting that horror movie is the fact that you don't believe that that horror movie is real. Because if you did, you would attract that shit into your life. I study murder victims.

How is it that that jogger was killed by some random person? And there's always, people can't see the distinction. We all have this relationship with death, whether we like it or not. We know it's coming. We know what it's like, but sometimes we avoid it. Sometimes we don't. But it's the attraction of the death.

For example, I thought when I was growing up, like I wanted to die. And I'd get into fights and people would try and stab me. But I didn't clock at the time that I was attracting that death, but I knew I didn't want to die. You know, there's anxieties, there's oppressions, there's all these type of things. And then I turned it on its head and be like, wow, it's me.

I'm, we are powerful. And the same thing, I know you spoke about the news that like, fucking get rid of that shit. Form of meditation is focusing on one thing. Whether it's focusing on no mind or levitating or out of your body or what, it's one thing. When you watch the news, you're meditating on that one thing, whatever that news reporter is saying

to you, that's your meditation. Like anything in life, you know, if you're painting a wall and you know you're in the moment or whatever, that's meditation. We just think this eyes closed and we're off to the fairies. So I don't do that. I don't have outside distractions. Like this lockdown for me has been a strange blessing

because I like the fact that I only focus on my family, my business, doing what I love. I don't watch the news. I don't even watch TV anymore. I'm reading, I've got, I'm not educated at all. Like I didn't go to school. I barely, I read five books, three books when I left school and those were only for school books.

I think it was like Mary Shelley's Frankenstein and some other bullshit. And I never, and I would never read. And now I'm reading like a book a week, which is insane. And I'm really into like near different experiences now, which has just blown my mind. Yeah, that's fascinating, isn't it? Wait, but I want to get into that,

but tell me your thoughts on the multiverse. Well, so I'm going to give you a good one. This is a good one. Cause I learned this the other day and it's so true that my whole body shook and I was like, holy shit. So for example, I don't know, what would a young Duncan Trussell, what would his,

so for example, I wanted to be a soccer player. I used to play semi pro and then my, I dislocated my shoulder. I came back from injury, I was fresh. I had doubts and I had a strap and I did it again. And I'm the game over, my game was done. I had so much doubt in my mind and I knew I was going to get injured.

So every time I play football now I'm going to, you're going to get injured and I do. So there's my manifestation. The multiverse. So for example, there's probably a me cause I put so much energy into that, that playing professional soccer. So I can tap into that skill, right?

If, if I focus on it, which I never do because who the fuck has time, I don't have time for that. So I don't know what another Duncan was. I mean, there was so many other things. Maybe I wanted to be a lawyer. Maybe I want to be this, we'll know to be that. And the reason why our sole entity puts out so many, we put out so many different versions of us.

Yes. Even from a point of, you know, I wanted to stay in bed this morning cause my baby got up too early. If I put enough energy into that, there's another me in bed having his day, living on and whatever, thinking that that's the true source. Now the difference is the only entity

or only multidimensional you that knows you is aware of all of the multidimensional selves. So that means we are not the source of us. We are multidimensional version of us. Yeah, right. We're like, we're essentially like one part of a spectrum of us right now. Yes.

That's a good thing. Yes. So, and okay. So, cause to me for a lot of what the manifestation stuff to really work, it requires a multiverse. It requires a, you know, for example, and you know, many people hear this shit and they're like, give me a fucking break.

You're telling me that, not many people. I'll tell you, this has been my cynical side when I thought about this stuff, but I've seen so many crazy things going to those Ram Dass retreats, man. You just can't doubt it anymore. But like, you can doubt it, but you're doubting, you're no longer doubting

cause you have an experience that you're doubting cause it freaks you out and you can't deal with the fact that things can be very different than what you think. But the, so, but this is what I think I'm just going to say the cynical stuff just because I think you can address it in a way that maybe we'll clear some stuff up

and people think, okay, number one. Well, okay. I went to a manifestation church once. I'll never forget this. And they were having a sweepstakes or some shit. Someone's going to win a car. And I remember just thinking like, all right. So is this like the person who wins the car?

Is this like a weightlifting contest but for manifestation? Cause everyone here is going to be attempting to believe that they're going to get the car, but only one person is going to get it, right? So in my mind, to me, it's like, okay. So it is, it's bullshit. Or like another cynical version of it is like, well,

we don't want there to be evil in the universe, right? We, one of the big problems of any kind of philosophy or spirituality that involves the conceptualization of the universe where there could be, even if it's a super version of you, is how do we deal with the suffering in the world? How do we rationalize that? And sometimes, you know, Ram Dass will say,

we choose our incarnations. Yes. And I'll hear, and when I'm in a good mood and I hear that, I'm like, yeah, I love that. But when I'm in a bad mood, I'll think, really, that's just your way of not dealing with the fact that sometimes people are born, you know, children are born in the most fucked up situations.

They don't even make it to before because their parents are alcoholics. They don't get fed and then they die. And it's like, all right, that's a lazy way to rationalize that horror in the world. And also, what are you saying? The four-year-old manifested its own demise, you know? So to me, like, that's the cynical part of me.

The non, the neutral part of me thinks, well, I don't understand that well enough to really deal with it. I don't really know. And then the part of me that's into the manifestation stuff just thinks, well, that is real. I mean, that did happen. And is the universe malfunctioning because that happened?

Is that the idea that the universe is out of balance? So anyway, how would you answer that? So, because I mean, I search for that truth. How is it, especially children, I mean, you know, it's, and we look at death like death, not new life. And touching up on the ND experiences, near-death experiences, they feel love, they feel compassion when they pass over.

And I have read so many, you know, kids who have cancer, who pass over and come back. And they're like, I did not wanna come back. I loved it over there. I loved it. I knew why I was here. I knew what I had to learn. So, you know, we are born,

we are reincarnated into situations for us to learn. As the soul, the entity as a whole, we are a personality in this, you know, which we retain in the afterlife too. Oh, so in terms of children are manifestors in the now, they're innocent, so nothing is predetermined. Only the situation you're born into is an agreement that you have as a personality

or a soul or entity, whatever you wanna say, has with the agreements that everyone around you. So for example, you know, your child, your wife, your whoever's in your life has these agreements before they're born into incarnation. So, it's so difficult to kind of, I don't wanna offend anyone who's lost a chuck cause I get it, I get all that type of stuff.

But if we knew that life, there's life after death, I think we would approach this completely differently. And especially when you research the NDE's and you know, all that type of stuff, you realize that children are super in tune with everything. They live in them complete now. There is no yesterday, there is no tomorrow,

there is now, I'm hungry now, I'm sleeping now, I'm not, and we as adults forget that. So yeah, and even back to you, you know, the church thing is, you know, manifesting a car, it's also the knowing, cause I struggle with that, cause I try and research, for example, music, how, what determines a song being a hit? There's so many fucking components

going on in, within that song. There's a songwriters, there's a producers, there's the label, there's the artists themselves who are completely in meltdown. I hate this song, I don't want it to come out and it becomes the biggest hit on the earth. Right, so I kind of have attributed that to the energy is in the song.

Yeah. Whatever was created in that three, four minutes is in that song, regardless of anyone around them. But it's also the expectation, right? So if you're born rich, you expect to be rich. I'm not talking about manifestation in happiness or sadness, that's all irrelevant. It's about manifestation.

So when you expect, see, I didn't expect nothing growing up. So for me to, so someone says to me, why don't you just manifest $100 million? Because that's not believable to me, that's not what. Right. That's not, I wasn't around that. Now, if you ask, I don't know if you've seen that show, Succession.

No, I haven't. So it's basically about billionaires, but it's like a true interpretation of billionaires. And you look at them and you realize like, let's go for a round game of rounders, cool. They jump in their cars, they hop on their helicopters, they go and play a game of rounders, and that shit probably cost a million dollars

to do that whole thing. That's the expectation. They know that shit is gonna be there. And therefore their universe is there. Yeah. So with children, is some, their soul can push them, pull them back, if they're in a situation where they're,

I watched a kid on Netflix whose parents, used to put him in a cupboard and beat the shit out of him. And social workers used to go around and I'm like, well, what did he, he didn't deserve any of that. Right. But then he's now in a better place, in a much better place. So hard for us to understand, I'm not from any of this.

I don't like, I just know that this is what it is. No, I agree with you, man. Look, this is why I bring up the multi-verse because I think, you know, humanity's gone through these very interesting phases and one of them is we went, we learned how to fucking fly, right? And then the moment you learn how to fly, suddenly the terrain of the earth,

you learn more about the earth. Essentially humanity is a whole, the consciousness of humanity. Anytime we gain a technology like that, it changes completely. When we became, when we gained the ability to go into orbit around the planet, everything changed again. The example I've been given is like, you know,

we went from thinking when the sun went down, it might not come up to knowing that the sun's always there, floating in the sky. And similarly right now, we're in an interesting predicament as humans because we are in a place where we, most people, not most people, you know, religious people don't think of it,

many people feel like the moment your body dies or the moment someone lets go of their body, they no longer exist. This is the scientific materialist standpoint and within it, it produces a nightmare situation. If Dawkins is correct, if you name it, whoever is correct regarding the, this is it. You get one shot, random,

you don't get to choose your avatar, no. You get exploded into the universe with some sentience that's a result of an overactive fucking neocortex. You sort of trick yourself into imagining that you're a thing and you do that just long enough to get by without going insane and hopefully get your DNA into somebody else, make another accidental blurt of sentience before your meat machine collapses

and then you're infinitely gone. That's the idea. And if you live in that universe, then yeah, that for many people, even though they might not want to admit it, that's a pretty dire place. And also it doesn't feel like it fits in with what our instincts or our sense of self tells us,

not to mention the near-death experiences, but people are going to rationalize that all the way. But I really think it could be that we are looking at some kind of, for lack of a better word, multiverse situation where there is a simultaneous experience happening, a kind of continuum of identity stretching from the most dire version of ourself

all the way across the board. And the sum total of all of those combined equals the great wisdom of whatever the archetypical you may be. And it's the archetypical you that is kind of like the way the sun is for the earth. It's a tension where it's shining, where that lands. That's where you're at.

That's you. You're being like, so that's where we're at. And as above so below, because of that situation, we can really jump through that timeline. We can, and then all of a sudden, things start making a little bit more sense. Even though it sounds fucking nuts,

that if we do gain multi-dimensionality, if quantum computing, or if we gain some lens, if we can do the same thing we did with an airplane, but for this continuum of identity. And theoretically, based on what we're talking about here, we've already fucking done it. There already is a version of the civilization we're in right now, a version of us right now

that lives in a civil, call it whatever you wanna call it, a technological civilization that has gained the ability to look past the singularity of death, and is recognized, oh yeah, there's a continuum of selves. And if this is the case, then yeah, you really can, you want the $100 million, you can manifest it, but not just that. You could theoretically jump actual points in history.

You could jump to the timeline where there's an actual time machine. Because that's the thing, man, I know this sounds absolutely like, for some people might sound like gobbledygook, but you listen to my podcast, this is what I always rambled about. But I'm saying, man, this,

like everybody thinks a time machine, right? They're like, oh, a time machine means you're gonna get in your little time machine and you're gonna travel back to the 70s. Who wouldn't wanna do that? Do blow in the 70s at some badass 70s party? But really, actually, what it might mean is it's a device, a technological device that shifts your consciousness

in a way that makes you no longer susceptible to the doubt that keeps you from jumping timelines. Because if the implication is just a shift in our attention or consciousness can radically transform not just our bodies, but the stuff around us, then suddenly a time machine isn't a portal, it's a consciousness device.

It's a thing that does the thing, the great manifestors have figured out how to do, but without you having to go through all that precursor shit. And so now everyone becomes travelers. Only the what we're traveling is we're swimming through our various lives. It sounds insane, but so did fucking flight.

So did jumping on an airplane or going into space. And so yeah, man, I do think like that's where I get unnerved by it, actually, is it's like, whoa, that's what they were talking about when they were talking about the possibility of flight. They didn't mean flight necessarily as much as like, oh no, you can jump wherever you wanna be. You can jump right in to paradise.

That's my poodle. I wanna jump into a fucking dimension where he doesn't bark anymore. I had the first place I'm gonna go. He's been good for this long. He's been good for this long. So anyway, yeah, to me, that's how we can work with the idea of manifestation

is we have to redefine the universe to not just be one timeline. It needs to be an actual continuum. Well, the past, the present and the future is all happening now at the exact same time. Like it's factually true. I like it. You know, if you're into it and you're super deep into it,

you can tap into those type of timelines, those dimensions, but for example, another dimension that you're living has no concept of time. Right. So, you know, all that type of stuff. So, and you know, the annoying, I mean, not the annoying thing, that's the wrong word, having the door

is you're always conscious of the time. How long has she napped? So how long is, and I fuck, I'm a guy that just time for me doesn't exist. It does not really a thing. But as long as you use it to your advantage, not as a disadvantage, you know, we have all the, we put, we always rush things.

That's one thing as a site, we always do. We're always looking for the quick fix, the quick fix, the quick fix. But now I'm trying to be at a point, like my wife's speaking about it all the time. We want to live to 100. We want all that, like we love life. We love what we're doing.

We love all that type of stuff. And the way we're going to do that is by not putting a concept of time. We're trying to get back to the early, the Moses and those dudes. They didn't know what age they were. They didn't know it was Monday, Tuesday or Thursday or any of that type of shit or nine, you know,

before Christ or any of that type of stuff. We as a site need to get back to that. And I feel like that's a part of what creates unhappiness and anxieties and stresses because we have to achieve something by certain goals. You know, I think the reason why I'm, you know, I'm doing so well in myself because even my own belief system, you know,

when you're younger, you're doing whatever you're farting around. And then I know that the older I get, the more accomplished I've become financially. That's just a natural trait of growth. That's why, you know, you know, 80% of people make their money in their retirement or just about to retire or this type of stuff

because it's the belief system. But I'm trying to, even now with my daughter is bring her to a where, I don't know, it's difficult to, I don't know how I'm going to do it, but always make her aware of the fact that she, her emotions, her feelings, her thoughts create her whole outside exterior to every single detail. Even the, I can't stress it enough the way she looks,

you know, her image, the way she feels about herself. It's like, you know, when you see so many self-conscious people and they look great and they're like, like super models. Most of them are super self-conscious and have anxieties and want to have this stuff because they're so focused on their looks. Yeah.

So therefore their looks on the outside looks good. They just can't see it because we haven't, we haven't factually seen ourselves with our own eyes. We've seen a reflection of ourselves. We're seeing the image that we've created on the inside, outside. So I'm trying to, you know, read all these religious texts and take pictures of, pinches of them.

You know, we are creating God's image. There is no, there is no, but there is no human, but we can, can't do this, this and this. There's a never ending. If you believed you could fly, like you could say, the airplane is the closest manifestation of flying. Right. We don't, we don't, we don't believe

we can physically fly ourselves. You know, if we did, we probably would be able to. And that's where everyone's like, no way, that's not possible. And those are the people who stay in the timeline where you can't fly. See, this is like, the thing we're talking about is, you know, I don't, it's, man, I've seen just one little,

it's quick little thing, man. Like we are at one of these Ram Dass retreats. And, and again, I don't know why I'm always battling with a skeptic in my mind, but we're one of these, it's been raining every day. This is fucking Hawaii, but it's raining for some reason, right? And Ram Dass, he, I just saw happen, man.

He's like, you know, he's had a stroke, but he still had this floaty thing and he would go out into the ocean. And so they take him out on this, that where everyone goes and swims with him, it's a really beautiful thing. They would throw flowers and flowers are floating around and they go out in the ocean.

He's floating and laughing. And I watched it with my own eyes, man, it's raining. He went out there when it was raining. It stops raining. He's floating out there. It stops raining. And a rainbow appears above him. So now you have this being floating in the fucking water

with flower petals around him and a rainbow above him and the rain stopped. And it's like, come on, that's too much. Whatever that was, that's wild, man. And I don't think some people are afraid to live in that kind of universe where that's a possibility. I'm on the cusp, man.

I mean, and that's just a little version of some of the shit I've seen over there. But like, you know, we do, that's why I like hanging out with folks like you. Cause that's the other beautiful thing is, and you know, Chogan Trump of Rinpoche says, don't do spiritual hitchhiking. But really, you know, like bikes will get close

behind the other bike and they get caught in that like updraft, you get pulled along. So that's why I think in Buddhism, good right association is a huge part of it, which is like, you want to be around people who are going at the very least, if you're like, you know, if your intent is to evolve, but for whatever reason, you're a little cloudy.

You want to be around people who are actively doing it cause you will get pulled in their updraft. Like it will happen. You know, you will see, if you hang out with these people who have a practice, you'll see some of the craziest shit you've ever seen, whether you believe it or not, because that's the world they live in.

I've never actually met anyone who doesn't understand what I'm talking about ever. Because I feel like I've turned the needle and I've always been aiming, well over the last few years, aiming to turn that needle. So now I only attract people who want to listen or, you know, have kind of tapped into it,

but not really. So I get calls all the time of people just being like, you know, how do you do this, this, this, this? And it's just you. I mean, like, I read so many people who are on stage being like, you know, giving out advice for the, they're one problem that they have. And it fixes that one problem,

but we have to give power back to people, to individuals. You know, we are a group collective. I mean, for example, you know, when all the protests were happening and it was a beautiful thing, but it would have been equally as effective as sitting down, meditating on one focus. Doesn't, I'm not talking like eyes closed, whatever.

Focus on change. What change do we want? And write one thing down and for a split second, think of that. Write the second thing down. For another split second, think of that. Changes will be happening quicker, especially collectively. I mean, individually you have enough power

to do it by yourself. Hands down, collectively, holy shit. Yeah, that's why the news is so fucked up, right? Because it's forcing people in a collective death ritual, right? That's what the news is doing. It's hijacked, it's people, you know, that thing you said about meditating

when you're watching the news. Man, that is so fucked up. Because just think about it. If you're sitting on the couch, watching the TV, imagine if you were sitting in a room and there was no TV and you were just staring at the wall. You're meditating.

You're meditating for fucking hours. That would be amazing. You'd be like, yeah, I meditate three hours a day. I just sit and stare at this dark rectangle. But turn on the news, you're still meditating. It's just you have been hijacked by a fear matrix. And to me, what do you think about that, man? I mean, this is where I get real creeped out.

Because I'm like, is there some kind of sentient darkness that wants to keep people chained to fucked up reality? No, I don't know. I mean, I've separated myself from it. So I can only speak from my experience. It's the conditioning. Of course the conditioning is there, but we all have free will to turn it off.

No one's forcing you to turn on the TV and watch the news. Just as, you know, it's like, you know, when you go and get surgery or whatever, you sign paper, you know, you're putting your like, again, it's your choice. All of this is your choice in terms of you watching the news. Yes, what they feed you is not really your choice,

but you're watching it. Do you think, so, holy shit, is that right? Holy shit. Well, I'm sorry. I didn't realize how much time and fuck, man. We've been talking, you are really magical, man. It feels like I've been talking for like five minutes.

I know. Whoa, whoa. Are you in a rush? No, I'm just, no, for a second I was like, oh, we've probably been talking for like 30 minutes. No, I feel like I've still got so much more to say. Oh yeah, we're not even, okay, no, I'm not in a rush, but I'm not in a rush at all,

but I do want, I want to ask you this. And this, I don't need to do some like evangelism, crazy shit, but don't you think, man, I think you're advanced enough that if you wanted to, just talking right now, you could like, people are listening. I think you could flip their scripts a little bit, right? Like, can you do like a, can you set an intention

or do you think you have the ability to like put into the people listening, some kind of like upshift in their consciousness? I mean, to be honest, I try and be as practical as possible because I'm a pretty practical guy. I don't know any of the, I mean, I've not raised on this. I wasn't, you know, but I just, I said knowing,

I don't know how to explain it, it's just a knowing. And I keep seeing more things. For example, what I would say to people is, look at every good thing in your life. Look at every thing you feel is bad. For example, I mean, I read a book, you know, on NDE and it was this woman who had cancer and the woman who was the doctor, she said, you know,

it could always be worse. And she was like, what could be worse than cancer? She was like, well, I know people who are paralyzed from the neck down, who are literally slowly dying. And I'm like, holy shit. It's also a perspective, but you can, I mean, trace back any bad things that's ever happened, any good thing, anything in your life.

And you can trace it back to a feeling, a thought, an emotion and actions, something on the inside, not outside, because our reaction to the outside is, oh, it's happening, then we react. The attraction to it, then we react. Right. I mean, just study your own life. That's what I do all the time.

All the, when I used to get, I used to, you know, when I broke up from a relationship, I was bitter inside. I, you know, I felt like dying. I felt like physical death without dying. I didn't want to die, but I knew that it was, it had to feel better than heartbreak. It had to. And, you know, I would drink, I would take drugs,

which was great. I'm not gonna, you know, I had a great time, me and my younger brother, he was, I was, I don't know, 21, 22, and he was 18, 19. And you could, I mean, the UK is legal there for alcohol and stuff. And we'd go out, we'd always get into fights. And I'm not a physical person at all.

Don't get me wrong. If you're fucking me like shit is gonna go down, I get that feeling about you actually. I think you know how to fight. I mean, like for example, I'd get like three guys would come up to me in a club. And then I'd, I'd know that some shit's gonna go down. One would swing and I'd just head by him.

And then he would fall to the floor. And then the other two would be like, whoa, that's the kind of reaction, but I'm not a violent person, but I can trace back the attraction to that. My bitterness, the way I was feeling about myself, everything to do with that. I used to, you know, I'm a lover, I'm not a fire. I was too busy into girls to be worrying about fighting.

I'd let the other guys fight and I'd just be there with the girls. And I love that, I love that. But I realize what our mission on this earth is. And I feel like people lose that sight because they have to achieve something. I have to, I don't care about leaving anything. And I was like, I wanna be remembered forever.

I don't care. I honestly don't care. I wanna start, I wanna learn more to have unconditional love for others. And for me, that is the ultimate goal. And when you read near-death experiences, and I'll touch upon why I think, why I know near-death experiences are real,

because my older brother had a best friend. When he was seven, 16, he committed suicide. He hung himself and it was horrible. And he used to always sleep in my bed. So I would always go and sleep on the floor or whatever. And he was always around every weekend, every weekend, every weekend. It came from nowhere.

And that, it affected me. It affected me to a point where, when you're young, you don't really like death. You don't really like ghosts. You don't like any of that type of shit. And one time when I was a kid, I had a dream about him. And he visited me in death form. So he had the dark eyes.

He looked like he was dead. And it was so real. He was in a corner of my room. And he said to me, he said, I shouldn't have done this. This is the wrong place. I shouldn't be here. And I said, it's okay. You're gonna be okay.

Everything is always gonna be okay. And then I woke up and I didn't, and this was like when I was young, 12 maybe. And that dream has stuck with me forever. That's been in the back of my mind. And I read a book yesterday, yesterday night, and it spoke about the near death experience of people who have tried to commit suicide.

And every single one who does, who comes back, says that this do not do it. Go into a void. You go into a place where you shouldn't be. It's a place that you're there for a very long time. They say that life is a gift. And they have all these emotions and feelings and everything about why we shouldn't do it

and why religions say it isn't so and all these type of things because they've touched up on, you go somewhere else. You don't see the light. You don't see any of there's not a being waiting for you. You're just in solitude. It's like that Robin Williams film, What Dreams May Come.

I don't know if you've ever seen that. Oh yeah. Yeah. So when his wife commits suicide, he has to go find her in the deep, deep underworld. It was like that. And I was like, holy shit. He came to me in that dream and he reached out to me.

And, you know, it's like the NDE experiences is, you know, when you ask a question, you know the answer. You don't have eyes, but you see, you know, you don't have ears, but you hear, you know, there's a, there's a being there, but it's not a form. It's a light, but you know, it's nothing but unconditional love. And they ask, you know, what have you learned?

What is your knowledge? What have you, all these type of things? And then they send you back with unconditional love. Yeah. So that's the whole point of like, we're here for this free will. Like we are, we are the powerful people. Like this us, we're so fucking powerful. And, and that's why I touch back on ignorance is bliss.

Cause I get so frustrated when I hear people just be, just so not aware of their, the power of their awareness. But I've learned now to accept people as them. And that's a beautiful thing. So now I'm trying to, you know, the unconditional love thing. Cause I can get quite selfish in myself. Cause if anyone starts fucking with my psyche, I don't need you in my life.

I don't, it could be anyone, you know? And we have to maintain our, we have to, for you to get to this point, I had to maintain my spirit, my soul, my, my thought process. I didn't let, no one could derail me from any of that shit. Only now is I'm opening up to this type of conversations and, and you know, trying to educate people as best as I can from a point of love, from a point of the power

that they all possess. Yeah. Yeah, man. You, yeah, it's, you know, one thing I've noticed is like, though anytime I'm really actively working on myself and developing unconditional love and generally the people who are fucking with your psyche, they get so annoyed with you.

They don't want to talk to you anymore. They generally hit the road. Like the insidious people are the people that are really caught in the shit. They just think you're an asshole. They're like, oh, another fucking spiritual dumb shit. I don't, what happened to him? We lost him.

We lost him because, you know, in that layer of reality, people live in hell. It's a hell realm and like, like they're always at war with each other and they're always fighting. So, but then sometimes you do have to make active decisions. You know, you can't just hope that people are going to de-magnetize from you.

Sometimes you really, especially, I think in the early phases of it, you got to like, you have to watch out. The Prabhupāda, the guy who started the Hare Kṛṣṇas compared it to like a little tendril coming out of the ground. When you're that little tendril, you have to protect it. When it gets to be a big tree, nothing to worry about. But don't fool yourself into thinking you're a tree

when you're a tendril. Because if you are truly, if you have unconditional love, it alchemizes everything. You know, like people get around that and they instantly, they forget why they're upset. They can't remember, they might remember as soon as they're out of your presence, but that is one of the qualities of the effulgence

some of these people radiate, is that people get into their presence and radically, instantaneously transform. I don't know what that is. I've felt it around Ramdās and I know people who have been around like Rinpoche's and stuff, where they'll be completely bummed,

completely depressed, even suicidal, and get around Rinpoche, like these advanced beings and they forget. Why was I so fucking, why they don't even remember why they were unhappy? It's just getting in the field shifts it. So I think that's something that's measurable, man. I feel like that's a scientific study

could be done showing that's not just the placebo effect, that's some kind of resonance you reach with these beings. So yeah, I think that the exploration of this is one of the most important considerations, not just for an individual, but for like humanity, because we really are talking about like a shared intuition, at the very least,

among our entire species, the near-death-experience shit. People just, they don't know what to say about it. How do you deal with the fact that people seem to be having the same experience across cultural divides? How do you, regardless of your religion, you're an atheist, you're still gonna see the same thing. You're a Hindu, you're gonna see the same thing.

Buddhists see the same thing. Everyone's seeing the same thing. And also- It's personalized though. So for example, what you manifest in this life, you also manifest in death. So if you're Catholic, that light will be Christ consciousness.

That's the kind of statistics that they've been breaking down. If you're a Buddhist, you'll see the light, all that type of stuff. So again, if you're tormented and suicide in this life, you're also tormented in the afterlife too. Yeah, that's the, in Buddhism, it's the bardo. It's just what you're gonna carry your energy wherever you go. It's like, the energy that you die with,

it's not that energy carries into the bardo. So if you kill yourself, then all the only difference is that now you don't have a body to kill anymore. So now you're really fucked. It's like, you sort of intuited that there was a solution. Are you seeing, hold on one second. Ha ha ha ha ha.

Hey, you know, to me, that's always a good sign. It's like anytime you get deep into a thing, if the landscapers show up to me, it's like, oh yeah, that's the forces of the universe trying to prevent the conversation. Of course, they always try to prevent the conversation on Thursdays around this time. I didn't expect-

Well, the grass is listening and wants to grow. Yes, that's it. But so yeah, I had an indie person on, and one of the things they're saying is like, I think maybe when you come back into your body, you attach cultural significance to the stuff you saw, but the landscape appears to be the same. And it's not like people are dying

and some people are seeing a tunnel and some people are seeing a road and some people are seeing a sunrise and some people see a giant frog. It's like there's some kind of light, there's some kind of light for view that happens, there's some kind of similarity. And also, it's really trippy,

is the phenomena that if you see yourself and you look different, it's what you were saying earlier, that people who have NDEs, when they see themselves, it's like they see themselves for the first time, because they're looking in the mirror, they're always seeing like what you were saying, like a projection or something like that.

It's very trippy. But to me, I think right now, we don't fuck the idea that there might even be a possibility of sending some kind of scope, a gauge, a mechanism into the barter that we could put our, there might be a way to technologically scan that place, sounds like madness. But I think that's a possibility.

The more people have this kind of conversation, and the more, I think it inspires folks to start thinking about that, which is like, man, there's a way for us to really track this shit. I mean, these stories are insane. One of the stories I've heard, this India E guy told me that there was a doctor

who was doing a simple surgery on an athlete. It was supposed to be a simple surgery, but the fucking guy's heart stops, right? And they can't resuscitate him. And so they're like, they're about to give up, something went wrong. This fucking lady comes running in to the emergency room and tells the doctor, no, keep doing it, keep doing it,

keep doing it, he's not dead, he's not dead, he's not dead. And the doctor's like, what are you talking about? And she's like, this fucking, like she encountered him. He went into the fucking, he was screaming at the doctor, I'm not dead, he went into the waiting room and told this lady, tell the fucking doctor to keep trying, and he brings him back. What the fuck is that?

That's, because it's not just like we're having this subjective dreamlike experience when we die, there's other stuff that goes along with it that's impossible. People see things in other rooms, people recount conversations that folks were having in other rooms, you know, stuff like where it's like, no, that's not just you heard it while you were dying. And that's the key example of the separation

between true religiousness and science. There's such a big divide of, you know, the explanation from a scientist would be like, it's the drugs or you hallucinate it or the lack of oxygen to your brain. And there's a clear distinct lack of education in that field. And don't get me wrong, like there's some great scientists out there who have had near death experiences too

and have come, you know, even the book Proof of Heaven, which is an amazing book where a neuroscientist who operates on the brain ended up going brain dead for eight days. And he had his whole family around him, he had all this type of stuff. And they were like, he's not coming back. I mean, you know, one day, two days,

and he had E. Coli meningitis of the spine and spinal fluid, so it's attacking his brain. And if he was gonna come back, he's gonna come back as a vegetated state. And he describes like, he calls it the earthworms eye view of when you first die. And bearing in mind, he wasn't aware of the personality, he wasn't aware of his kids back home,

he wasn't aware of any of this. And I'll tell you the reason why afterwards. And then he, once he's there, he's there, he's scared shitless, he feels fear. And then he goes up and up and up and sees a light. Then he goes to this place called the core and all this other type of stuff. And he sees all these faces.

He sees this woman with beautiful butterfly wings. Sounds crazy as fuck, but it resonates so well. And she's flying around and he's like, wow, this is amazing. And he goes to another place and this is amazing. He goes back to the earthworm view and feels at peace. And can see all these faces, which he realized was his wife and his son and his sisters who praying for him to come back.

And he remembers his son, I think he was 11, who wrote a note and was like, please dad, come back to me. And he remembers feeling really guilty because he wanted to stay. He wanted to stay in the afterlife, but he knew he had to come back. And after eight days, he woke up, like nothing ever, ever happened.

His brain was intact, everything was fine. He wrote this book and he basically was like, he's trying to bridge the gap between religion and science. That's why he called this book Proof of Heaven. And again, his connotation, he went to the church, he had all these type of things. So it's the God, it's the higher power. He kind of touches up on that, but it's higher than us.

It's something that was created from life. It has to be. If we as humans have free will, it cannot be anything but love. If it was the opposite of love, we wouldn't have free will, we'd be controlled, we wouldn't have any of these conversations. And that's the whole thing back to, excuse me, the news.

We have the free will to meditate and choose what we instill into our lives. That's the free will. We just choose not to have that free will. And it's real. I mean, I don't know how to explain it, but if it was common knowledge, we wouldn't, I don't think it would transform life for the positive.

I think it would transform life in a way where we would do everything we would do to die, in a sense, if something went wrong, if I was fine, I'll do it again. And I feel like that separation has been there for eons of millennia, because we are supposed to be on this earth. We're supposed to learn.

We're supposed to learn from scratch. We're supposed to do this. We're supposed to pick up new shit. If we knew for a fact that there was life after death and it's this beautiful, loving, no judgment, no, I'm gone. Everyone's gone on the planet. Yeah. Well, I mean, that does, I mean, to me, that's the thing.

That's where, if you take this stuff to the furthest point, it gets that trippy, where, and there are studies, I mean, not studies, there's stories, there's Shambhala, there's stories of these cities that where everyone in the city gets simultaneously enlightened, not just one Buddha, the entire city gets enlightened together,

and then the city, it's gone, it's not here anymore. Like it blips out. It's like, that's one of the, I think it just depends on where you are in your training, whatever this fucking training is. Some of us are in part of the part of the training where right now you're learning just the basics, how to be compassionate, how to love,

how to give more than you take, just basic stuff like that. And then when you start giving more than you take, you start realizing, wait a minute, the more I give, I get like triple or double back. So if I start getting, and then that's its own weird little sand trap, because you're like, shit, I'll just start leaving massive fucking tips everywhere. I'll just start like, and people like,

and I'll do it secretly. I don't even fucking tell people I do that. You know, and a lot of people, the most successful people I know, they all do that. They all do that. And it's like, but that's the thing you start realizing, okay, it is a little bit like a machine, in the sense that if I freely give energy in the positive,

I get an exponential increase in that energy back. And the amount that I don't freely give the energy, that dilutes that effect, but it still will echo back. Like I've experimented with this shit, man. You can literally be desperate for money, and then give somebody way more money than you should, in that state, and you're still, what do you know? Surprise, surprise, two days later,

a fucking check shows up. And it just happens to be three times the amount you gave that person. Then that's where you enter the realm of magic, right? That's where you start playing around with that energy. Like what the fuck else can I do? And then maybe there's something past that, where you might really be able to pull your head out

of whatever this thing is, out of a wormhole view without dying. You might really be able to travel out, just because you want to. And then that's a whole new class. I don't know, that's like college or something, compared to where I'm at, but I think it is possible. And also I think some people who are like professors,

or like advanced students, pop in to the realm that we're in, to like give classes sometimes. Like they come here too, and like here, I'll show you some stuff, and then they go away. You know, I don't know. Again, man, this is my hippie speculation on this situation. I love it.

I mean, I do these practical things, just to test my power, my attraction, or whatever. I used to see these adverts on TV, a good few years ago, it was probably five years ago. And it would be like, checks in the mail, get your checks in the mail. And I'd be like, what the, I'm British, so we don't really do checks.

And I was like, I want to get fucking checks in the mail. And I always like, you know, artist's royalty, I don't get those, but artists get checks. You know, when I carry every Christmas, probably fucking makes a ton of money. Yeah. As a check in the mail. So I would sit there and I go, you know what?

I want to check in the mail. I'm going to sit there, and I want checks in the mail. Not how am I going to get the check in the mail, bearing in mind, it's just, I'm going to get the check in the mail. It was a weird knowing. I just fucking knew it. And then I'd start receiving checks,

which would be, you know, you can borrow up to 45,000. And I'd be like, great, I'm going to imaginatively cash that as a joke. And then I'd store it in my little cupboard, and I'd see it every day. More and more of those checks came, and I was like, fuck yes, you're getting it. You're warming up to this.

And then I got a call from, it was Simon Cowell's company, who were looking for an A&R consultant. And I was like, yeah, fuck you, I'll do it. And this is one of my many music jobs. I was also a publisher. I was also this, I had my management company. I had a label.

I have, you know, there's so many different tentacles to things because I don't put a concept on time with them. And I, you know, did the, filled out all my forms, signed the contract for a year. And you don't really talk about how you're getting paid. You just know you're getting paid. So it will eventually happen.

Lo and behold, they paid me a check in the mail. Which is like, they pay me a check in the mail. And I do that now all the time. I even sometimes time my manifestation. So let me think of like an old friend who I haven't spoke to in many years. And then I put my timer on, but it has to be an unresisted thought.

And you have to be aware of the fact that it's like a, you know, poof, you know, oh, how's that friend gone? Not even any question after that. It usually is about eight to 10 seconds. And I was like, holy shit, I manifested that in eight to 10 seconds. That's fucking fast.

Now I can move it slightly a bit bigger. What else can I, can I practically think about that I can attract to me? Would just get out of the way, just do it. It will show up. And I did that. I, you know, I left my full-time position as a publisher. Probably, well, they didn't renew my contract in March.

And my attitude at the time was like, fuck these guys. Like I know my worth. And I was like, you know what? The universe has bigger plans for me, way bigger plans. And, or I have bigger plans for myself, which the universe is going to deliver. And then, and because I adopted that attitude, I was home, I was enjoying it.

I was getting calls left, right, and sent out. And I was saying, no. I was like, I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that. I don't want to do this. And I, thank God that happened. Because I'm, I don't want to get too practical on the money thing,

but I'm making way more money than I am now than I was in that job, in that position. And I wouldn't have done that if I would have stayed in that position unhappy and, you know, all that type of stuff. And, and I want people to get back to a place where do what you love, because success is going to come from that regardless.

With God, I promise you, if you let go of the notion of how you think the success is going to come, be Jim Carrey in this shit. That motherfucker is a true manifester. He like, he is the ultimate G of like, if you see any of his quotes, all that type of stuff, that guy is incredible, like incredible.

And I want to touch up on one thing too, Duncan. We have to stop labeling. For example, we know what the characteristics of a man is. We know what the characteristics of a woman is. We know what a characteristic of a Buddhist is, a Christian, but they're not the characteristics. Those are made up characteristics to keep us conditioned mentally

so we can believe in those conditions and attract the conditions back. So I want to drop all fucking labels. I'm not a man. I'm just me. My wife is not a woman. She's not my wife. I mean, she's her own person.

She is, she is her, you know, she is herself. You know, there's no, I'm trying to get rid of all these notions of my dad is not black. He's a, he's a man. And when he drops all of those notions, he can drop. Because, you know, culture doesn't make people. People make culture. You know, I was, I was talking to,

I don't mean to keep bringing from DOS. I was talking to Rob DOS because when my first child was on the way, talking about like, what do you, you know, what's the, how do I, how am I good? How can I be a good dad to my son? And he goes, first of all, that's a soul first. The son thing is a role.

Dad thing is a role, but that's a soul. And there's all kinds of games you can play is that soul. Now, you know, the conversation regarding race, gender, all that stuff is very political. And like, you know, so I'm not going to, I don't want to get into, I don't want to understand it fully. I've, I've deep into it with some of my friends or regarding it.

And I've gone deep enough into it to know, you know what? I could, I'm only going to speak from my, my own experience. My own experience is that sometimes my idea of the way things are. In other words, if I think I know what a guru looks like, I think I know what my, you know, then what inspiration is. If I think I know what, whatever the things are, that my ideas, if here's what it would look like,

here's what it would look like if I made a great podcast or here's what it would look like if I wrote a great script or here's what I do. I'm a comedian, any of that shit. All those things, the moment I make those sort of structures in my mind, it instantly blocks out vast swaths of energy. And so the whole time you're looking for the guy who looks like Osho, you know what I mean?

You might walk by a guy who's just sweeping the sidewalk. And that could be fucking Jesus. You know, that could be like the leader of the Illuminati. That could be like someone who was so super advanced, but also polite and notices you going by and is like, well, he wants to find Jesus right now. So let him go look for somebody that looks like that. Because that's what he's into right now.

So yeah, I think learning how to, at the very least, for a second, put all that stuff down. Whoa, it feels good, it's a weight. All of the things you expect things to look like, all of the ways that you expect things to be. Honestly, I don't know if you ever get this deep with it, but sometimes I'll try not to be able to read anymore. Drop that, the ability to put letters together,

drop the ability to like, so I could see like English and not know that's an A or a B or a C. Just see it as the geometric, like weird, like, you know, Cyrillic, just see it as that without, like how deep can I go underneath my overlays of language or what color that is? Or gender, or any of it, you know? And just be in that place before the overlays.

That's a very powerful place. That's the gap. That's the place that you can drop into, where it is just this before language. Ooh, that's a powerful place. And it also is a very liberating place to be, for me personally, you know, because it's a fucking, you know, oh, I'm 46.

How many times a day do I say that to myself? Or, you know what I mean? I've got one testicle. How many times a day do I say that shit? Or, you know, all the stuff that the ch, me-ness. For a second, when you put that down, oh man, that's freedom. And I think that is the place you work from.

That's the place where you can really start, you know, doing wild things, if that's what interests you. Yeah, and it's good. I want you to, I am running out of time here. There's, pretty soon there's gonna be a screaming toddler within moments, I think. That's manifesting that, I guess. But I wonder if you could leave people with,

you have encountered some of the most successful artists most successful musical artists of our time. You are the man, literally, like in you, and I love your humility with it, but whoa, like the various things that you've achieved in your life are wild. What are, what are just some, a few pragmatic things you can give some of the people

listening right now who feel completely stuck, right? And this is the fucking pandemic, man. Comedy, no one's doing comedy. Everyone feels trapped, gummed up, stuck in their house or freaked out. Give us some wisdom that we can carry with us into the next few days. I mean, it's difficult.

I mean, from me, I don't, again, we have to uncondition the conditioning of everything. You please learn, please. It takes time, it takes time, it's almost if you were born, if you could be born today, what would you do differently? And I would say, everyone, please live your truth. You're thinking something, but say something else that is conflicting in the universe,

that is unmanifest, that is not bringing the things that you want, that's why we can't distinguish what manifestation is. Please live your truth. The reason why artists are, some of the biggest artists in the world are so successful is because they're so emotional. And emotion, thought drives emotion.

Emotion drives the action, which when you have thought and emotion together with action, that shit comes to you, it's so intense, it's uncontrollable. The difference is we fight our emotions, we should accept them. They are here, they just love them. This is what we're here for, we're here to emote, we're here to feel, we're here to feel pain,

we're here to feel love, we're here to feel anger, we're here to feel successful. This is why we're here to feel. Question your anxieties until they are no longer an anxiety. Why are you feeling the way you're feeling? Yeah. Question it, question it, and question it, and question it. I understand there's people who have no money,

there's people who have no food, I had that, I had all of those things. You just have to believe that you have the power to make any change that you can. Fucking love it, man. Thank you so much. You are so generous with your time. Thank you so much, man.

I just hope we get to carry on this conversation, even if it's not in a podcast form. Thank you for this download, really. It's been a dream. The last download too, we had when we chatted. Yeah, this has been a dream for me. Like, I'm in awe, so thank you so much. Thank you, and please, can you tell people

where to find you in my fields? It's just at Lou Alshammer, I mean, L-O-U-L-C-H-A-M-A-A. I mean, yeah. Across the board. Yes. Brother, thank you so much. I really appreciate it. All the links you need to find,

Lou are gonna be at dugitrustle.com. Thank you so much for this. Love you, appreciate it. Thank you. I'll be back, thank you. That was Lou Alshammer. Check out the podcast he does with Noah Cyrus in my fields. It's wonderful.

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