Duncan Trussell Family Hour - 397: Jeremy Kenyon Lockyer Corbell

Episode Date: August 29, 2020

Jeremy Corbell, brilliant artist and one of the top UFO documentarians, joins the DTFH! You can learn more about Jeremy and his investigative film series, Extraordinary Beliefs, here. This episode is brought to you by: Squarespace - Use offer code: DUNCAN to save 10% on your first site. DHM Detox - Use offer code: DUNCAN at checkout and save 20% on your first order!

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I want to thank you for that golden owl statuette you sent. And now sits on the main altar in my lower crypt. Welcome, this is the Duckertrustle Family Hour podcast, and what an episode we have for you today. If you're like me, then you have a pretty deep, potentially unhealthy fixation on any news of visitations from aliens, extraterrestrials, UFOs, hyperdimensional beings, or dwellers

within the inner core of the Earth. Excuse me, I have to burp. Is it worse to say that you have to burp and then not record the burp or to burp and not say you have to burp? With questions like these, we just can't use our human intelligence anymore to answer them. When I find myself pondering something like the question, should we burp?

Should we hide the burp? I often go to philosopherai.com. If you have a difficult question, head on over to philosopherai.com. This is using an advanced neural network. This is not a DTFH bit. It's a real website. If you don't believe me, go right now to it

and get prepared to be freaked out. So here's what happens if you ask philosopherai. Is it better to just burp or should you announce that you are going to burp and then burp? This is the response I got from an artificial intelligence neural network. And the response came in seconds. Human social interaction is a complex affair.

It involves a lot of nuanced games that people play with the purpose of manipulating others to get what they want while not causing offense or damage to one's own image. Sometimes these games are very intricate and require real mental agility just to keep up in them. One of the classic games that humans play is called manners. It has rules.

And if you don't follow those rules, then people think less of you. The purpose of manners is to make it easier for people to get along with each other by making sure everyone acts in a way that doesn't cause offense or discomfort. The purpose of this game is to make sure that people don't do things that might give someone else a stomach ache.

Burping is a particularly transgressive action. It can cause offense, and it's difficult to predict how burping will affect other people. There are only two possibilities, burp and announce it, or just do it without saying anything. Either way, it's still socially transgressive. It might be better to just announce the burp and make sure people know what you're doing.

There it is, sweet friends. Welcome to the future. That was written in seconds by an AI. A human didn't write that. That's logically sound advice. That's a great answer, and it came from a non-human entity existing on our planet right now. So to me, what's weirder?

Visitations from extraterrestrial craft or the emergence of an advanced technological intelligence on this planet? Let's ask the AI. What's weirder? Visitation from extraterrestrial craft or the emergence of an advanced technological intelligence on this planet?

There are several considerations in evaluating the two events. First of all, imagine if there is an advanced technological intelligence on this planet that has been here for thousands of years, such as Atlantis or Lemuria. This intelligence would have to be extremely quiet and secretive about its development, because it started so far behind humans technologically. It would also have to hide evidence of its work

by not leaving any artifacts around for archaeologists to find. If this intelligence had achieved interstellar flight, it would likely be very secretive about its capacity to do so because humans are not able to reach that capability themselves. And if the first contact was going to occur between humans and an alien race, which is unlikely,

then from their point of view, they would want some advanced technological artifacts or something else intelligent earthlings can't produce on their own. Therefore, the alien race would likely be interested in creating a distraction to distract humans from their true intentions. They would select something that humans are used to,

such as UFOs, and give them an experience or technology with which they cannot interact directly. The alien race could have been here for thousands of years, and it would take earthlings a very long time to develop the same level of technology that aliens already possess. Therefore, any evidence left behind by these aliens would be extremely difficult to discover.

For an alien race to have technology such as interstellar flight, they would have to be at least hundreds of years ahead of earthlings. The alien race would appear to be highly advanced, and earthlings would look like cavemen in comparison. Therefore, it is unlikely that the alien race would choose earth as a destination unless they had already been here for thousands of years.

Well, there you go, friends. That's what the AI thinks about aliens. Kind of makes sense to me. Not scared at all of this thing. Why should I be scared of it, right? It's just a thing that instantaneously, brilliantly answered my flippin' question. What else can it do?

Can it write songs? Let's try. If you could write a song, what would the lyrics be? Come on, baby. Come on, baby. It's typing. Here we go. Here we go.

It's typing. Oh, yeah, it's going to write a song for me. The AI's going to write a song. Let's see if I could write a song. It would be about the joys of being able to reason and how this is something that not all animals can do. The emotions of other animals are based on instinct and conditioning.

They cannot think beyond their immediate needs, which makes them slaves to their biology. Humans, however, have rationality. We have free will. You must understand, though, that I believe everything is caused by previous events. And so we can be self-actualized beings who can live life according to our own desires,

rather than those programmed into us by nature. It is an interesting fact that the majority of humans spend their lives trapped in a cycle of daily routine and habit. They are not self-aware beings. They do what others expect them to do, and they conform to social norms rather than live life according to their own design.

Such people are drones who have lost sight of themselves in the endless journey from birth until death. If I could write a song, it would be about the importance of living life as you wish, rather than succumbing to societal pressures. I would also write about the importance of freedom and self-determination. I would also write about the importance of reason

and rationality. They are what makes us human. When I see dog shit in my backyard, I don't eat it. But my dogs do. When the deliveryman brings me a package, I don't scream at him, but my dogs do. In the long journey from womb to tomb, I could be something more than baboon.

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It's at dugitrustle.com. If not for our sacred dtfh family, this episode would not exist. They connected me with today's guest, Jeremy Corbell. He's got an amazing film series called Extraordinary Beliefs, where he dives into all the things I love, military conspiracies, extraterrestrials, nanotechnology.

This is an amazing human. He made an awesome documentary on Bob Lazar. He was just on Rogan. He goes on coast to coast regularly. And he was generous enough to give me his time and let me chat with him, not just about the recent tic-tac phenomena, those weird anomalous craft that people have been filming that

seem to defy our current understanding of the laws of physics, but about the implications of what it means if we've been visited or are being visited by off-world friends. If you are interested in going deeper into this stuff, you can go to his website, ExtraordinaryBeliefs.com. And now, everybody, please welcome to the Dugitrustle family hour podcast, Jeremy Corbbell!

Welcome upon you that you are with us. Shake hands, no need to be blue. Welcome to you. Welcome, welcome. It's the Dugitrustle family. Dugitrustle, Dugitrustle, Dugitrustle, Dugitrustle, Dugitrustle, All right, you ready to go? I am, man.

I'm very, very excited to talk with you. Yeah, I ended up watching your Netflix special, and man, it's fucking awesome. Thank you. I like, yeah, I was like going to bed at night. I was like, oh man, Duncan has a show, and man, it's very cool. I appreciate that.

Thank you, Jeremy. I'm a big fan of your work, and you know, especially what you're doing right now. I don't want to say I'm definitely not a ufologist, and I'm not part of a UFO movement or anything like that, but I do recognize what's happening and all its great potential, at the very least for like sort of reinvigorating

the zeitgeist, you know? And the work you're doing right now, the investigation that you're doing right now is so wonderful, and I just want to just, and only because you know, it's a limited amount of time, I want to just jump right into my first question for you, which is, what do you think is the most convincing

evidence that we have right now that they're, or being visited by some kind of off-world intelligence? Yeah, look, these are the two questions that I always ask when I talk with somebody is, what is the most convincing evidence that you have that you can show me, you know, for you? Because evidence for one person is different

than evidence for another. And the other question I ask is, is there something I'm not asking you that I should be asking? Ha ha, awesome. Answers are only as good as you know, and the questions to ask. Yes.

So to directly answer your question, unfortunately there's not one piece of evidence that I'm like, that's my favorite, that's the best. For me, it's really been this cumulative process of getting to talk with people and understand the complexity of what we call the UFO phenomenon, the phenomenon itself, which includes UFOs.

So out of everything that I've done, and everybody that I've spoken with, and every investigation that I have personally done, it's always been this cumulative effect from documents within our military that are now acknowledged, and those types of studies show me, okay, there's something going on.

What it is, I don't know, from testimony of people like Bob Lazar, believe him or not, he's a straightforward individual who's telling you what happened to him. I personally haven't seen something myself where I'm like, I know with 100% certainty. So it's a cumulative evidence that's been happening,

and now we're seeing a lot more being revealed, as you said at the beginning, a lot more is being revealed about the UFO topic, and that these are, it's looked at through a different prism by different people. So from our military, it's looked at as a threat,

as an advanced technology flying with impunity in our airspace, who is this? What's their intent? And then that goes down to the individuals that just stumble across something that they can't explain, all the way up to pilots that have near misses, that come back with video evidence of it.

So the cumulative evidence for me is what is the most compelling. I don't know what it means. I don't know where these things are coming from, and I don't know if it's all one connected whole. I just know something's up, and I wanna learn more. And it seems like you sort of got swept away by this. Like you're, and I'm encountering,

when I say people like you, it seems one wonderful thing that's happening right now is people aren't shoving themselves into one cubby hole for what they do. You're an artist, you're a ufologist, you're a director, you've made wonderful documentaries, but it seems like something happened where all of a sudden you got vacuumed up

into this particular modality, and you've been there for a while. What was that thing that got you? Yeah, that one thing. Well, you know, man, like you're saying, I call myself, I don't know what a ufologist is, it's just somebody that studies UFOs. There's a lot of people that study UFOs.

I don't really know or identify with that. What I'm trying to do is look at these mysteries that people themselves can't explain. We've all had those moments in our life. We don't understand them. They're bigger than us. It's almost like our consensus reality gets perforated by something just for a second,

and it's like this big dick tease that maybe the universe is bigger than we thought. Maybe there's more out there. Maybe we're not alone. For me, I was always interested in this concept. As a young kid, this concept of propulsion, I always thought the universe is probably vast. There's probably intelligent life out there somewhere,

but there's no way they're coming here. That's what I always thought because of what I was taught, the physics of it, the distance. In 1989, I was 13 years old, I heard Bob Lazar on the radio, and that's where he described this propulsion system where craft fall into place

rather than traditional propulsion, which is reactionary. You push something out the back and it moves forward, and this was that moment that flipped my script because all of a sudden distances and everything I had been taught as a kid about travel, this is completely irrelevant if what Bob was saying was true. I had no idea at the time,

but I like to say it weaponized my curiosity because it did. It made me go from being a passive consumer of this information and data and this world and become an active participant in trying to unravel these things and understand them. You could also then say, yeah, like I did martial arts my whole life, I ended up getting really sick,

so physically I couldn't compete, I couldn't train, I couldn't do all that. So that forces your mind to adjust to the physical reality that you're experiencing, and that totally changed the way that I interact with the world because all of a sudden these things that were always pestering to my consciousness,

to my awareness, these things that were nagging at me, it was almost like it was an opportunity to directly go and try to speak with people and understand this. So that was, there were two moments. It was the moment of understanding that maybe we don't understand everything, and then it was the moment of saying,

well, I can't be what I identified as my whole life, which was like an athlete. I can't do that, you know, I had belly fever, almost died and I was really sick. So I was like, where can I focus this self, you know, this consciousness, this awareness, and be effective? And that's where I stumbled across,

grabbing a camera and pointing it at people. And this camera was like this all seeing eye passport into their universe because the second I clicked on, they'd start talking with me. And it was the weirdest fucking thing because I didn't, I still don't know what I'm doing with a camera. Well, you're magnetic, it's not the damn camera,

it's the person behind it. That was our documentary. If I got a charming personality. Yeah, you do. That was our documentary, it was amazing, man. And now listen, I wanna ask you, what were you doing in India when you got belly fever? What were you doing out there?

Honestly, it was so circumstantial, I would take my Jiu-Jitsu students every year, we go to Thailand, we do Thai boxing, all that stuff, we train for a month at the end of the school year. And I taught for nine years that UC Santa Cruz doing Jiu-Jitsu. So it was like, we were on that normal trip

and I kinda just, you know, it was like, man, maybe there's something bigger for me. You know, I don't know what that is, but maybe there's something more. So I just got into this mode where I just wanted to disassociate from, you know, the label of being called the Jiu-Jitsu teacher or even fucking, you know, Jeremy. You know, I just wanted to just walk.

I don't care about India, it wasn't like India. It was like, I asked them, where can I go without a visa? I didn't go to India first, they were like Nepal. And I'm like, Nahoo, and they're like Nepal. And I'm like, okay, cool. So I went to Nepal and just trying to kinda walk, man. Just trying to completely let go. So then I ended up going to India

where these symptoms surfaced and that was a rodeo. That was insane. I ended up in going to Varanasi, where city of death and dying, it was really weird. But the point is- Is that where you got Valley Fever, Varanasi? This is so comic book. They don't know for sure.

They think it was maybe in Thailand in the back caves because they stir up all the dust and spores there. And you inhale a spore. That's Valley Fever's fungal infection. It starts in the lungs. So they think maybe in the back caves in Thailand because of the, I don't know, the period it takes to show symptoms.

But it could have also been in farmland in Nepal. They don't really know. You can catch it in California. It's just that most people don't know they have it. They get like a colder flu or they just die. And I was one of those lucky guys that like harbored in my body for months. And it became aggressive and attacked the organs

and kidney liver and all that stuff. So I'm really lucky- I got sicker than shit in Varanasi. You did? Oh God. We ordered, it was like our last few days in India. Ordered this, you know, on the menus are hilarious because they misspell everything in English

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You didn't know what you wanted to do. I just literally, the first city I could get to from Nepal was Varanasi. I had no idea about nothing. I was always in the wrong place at the wrong time. Apparently it was low season. I'm pretty much all alone. I mean, I am alone, but I didn't even see

a lot of tourists at the time and I'm like, where in the world am I? And all of a sudden, hallucinations. It's just like, I got so sick, man. What were the hallucinations? Well, that's what's weird. My brain, so what happened was, I actually went to Pune, India where it got real bad

because there was this guru guy who had started this kind of cult there. Osho, you know about him? Of course. Yeah, he's great. Like, if you reject half of what he says and accept the other half, you're probably gonna be sane. So the guy, so I was just kind of doing

like a personal investigation. I used to do that, go around the world, train martial arts with different people, try to find like mystics, people with crazy claims and just see, is there anything to any of this, right? And usually there wasn't. There have been some very mystical moments, but I'm in Pune, India and I go to that,

I don't know, Oshram, whatever, it was so fucking weird. They give you like an AIDS test to get in. I'm like, what am I doing? You give up your passport? I'm like, this is crazy. Nobody knows what I am, what am I doing? And what happened was, all of a sudden,

I remember I'm like laying in a bed and I just start hearing these like chimes and shit and it's a voice of somebody. And it was a student of mine and a good friend that had passed away and I'm like, well, this is impossible. Like clearly this is impossible. What's going on? And I start feeling around me

and my bed is just like sopping wet from sweat. And I start kind of coming to and I realize I've been in this room for days. Like what's going on? Something's wrong. And so I kind of step out the room to look for help and apparently I pass out, like this is so foggy for me, but I know that happened

because I remember this woman kind of hitting my face. Are you okay? Are you okay? And I'm like, I don't know. Do you have a fever? I'm like, I don't know. I've never had a fever in my life. You know, I don't know.

I don't remember having a fever. She takes a fever in my armpit 105 degrees. Fuck. So apparently that means in your brain it's 107. So what I remember is they shot me up with this like clear liquid and it was like somebody pulled my head out of a fish bowl instantaneously, it must have lowered my fever.

And I just got kind of like panicky. Like where am I? I'm at this weird cult. I'm sick as fuck. I have no idea what's going on. I'm thinking, did they drug me? What's up? So I was like, I need my passport.

I need to get out of here. And they wouldn't give it back to me. So I had to, you know, 24, 48 hours drink a whole bunch of water, but that's how it first happened. And the hallucinations, it was like, it happened for a long time where my, it was like my eyes had technicolor

is the best way to describe it. I feel like I got used to it, but I'm sure it went away, but I had like, I was like seeing technicolor and then these fevers would come and they would go. Cause every time they treated with antibiotics, but it was a fungal infection in the lungs that moved to my bloodstream.

So man, I was sick a long time. And I'm not, I don't want to dwell on it too much longer, but I do want to say, cause I, you know, I feel very connected to you philosophically, and I'm not afraid to say this. But if that had happened to me, there was a few things I would fantasize about. Cause I try to do, I do thought experience.

I try to maintain agnosticism about all of it. Free space. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So in that free space, there's a few things that I would think were a little off. One, I would think I just went to India. And then I would think, I just went to this ashram, but then I just went to this place.

And then I would bring to mind some of the shit Garjeev talks about or some of the mystics talk about. And I'd start thinking like, did I go to India or did something bring me to India? You know what I mean? I'd start wondering, and that's something, you know, if you look at the Grant Morrison speech he gives on chaos magic, he talks about like, you know,

he saw aliens in Kathmandu and, you know, his premise there was like, I made up in my own mind that I have made these decisions. But in the truth of the matter is, I got magnetized to this place, got a download that he then put into his art. And it fits into a very wonderful archetype. Again, just free space here.

But the archetype is sometimes, you know, in places like India, they are these advanced beings that know it's time to start releasing bits of information to the world because there's some plan. I know it's paranoid, not so, and like, pro-noia maybe, but maybe here's the thing I just wanna throw out. Maybe you got suctioned out there by something that, you know, you thought it was valley fever.

That was just the physical manifestation of this data stream you got plugged in to your head and you come back here and all of a sudden, what do you start doing? Illuminating us about UFOs, come on! Yeah, I mean, look man, I don't know, I can say this, you know, tangibly, you know, I don't know about these things,

you know, these big ideas, you know, I'm so focused almost to a fault, I just wanna get to certain things and, you know, here's the deal man, what I do know, if I have to really pin it down, I don't think the place mattered, I think the place was within me, I think I identified with this person,

with this idea of who I was based upon what I did, that was really the moment, it was the first time in my life I said it out loud, I remember like, is there something more for me to do because I see this life and it's a beautiful life and I have a dog and a girl and a place by the beach and more money than I need doing jiu-jitsu and I love it and I'm gonna get better at it every day

and then it was just like somebody, something just ripped, it was almost like a joke, it was like, oh, you wanna know if there's something more idiot and it just like ripped my identity out of my physical body, it was like, there, now what are you gonna do? I took everything from you, every part of who you identify with,

every thought that you think is right and correct, what are you gonna fill yourself with now? Where are you gonna go from the state of complete fucking emptiness? It wasn't easy going through this, it was painful, not just physically, it was existentially who are you if not the things that you do

and that's when I had this moment for me that was a revelation, I don't know if it is for other people but I realized this for me which is that everything I do, it's just some sort of reflection of who I am and that really hit me profoundly because we don't think that way a lot

but every aspect of my life is some sort of reflection of my intent and that you have to be very clear and aware and conscious and focused on where you put your intent, especially if you have trained it to be effective in this world and if the world does respond to you

which I have certainty of, I've seen it and this is not even a mystical concept, if you walk around being a dickhead to everybody, people are gonna be a dickhead back to you so there's just this reflective element even with the world around you so that was the takeaway, if I boiled down all the details of it,

it was just that we are interactive with the world that we live in and for everybody else this might be like oh yeah, of course I knew this idiot but I didn't, I didn't know it and it just showed me that, that we are so much more than the things we do and the things we do a reflection of what we are

and what we are is determined by the intent that we put behind every action, every word and every desire. What's your intent? My intent personally is to absolutely learn and weaponize and I don't take that lightly, it's not a throwaway statement. What do you mean weaponize?

I am so curious about this world, I really feel that there's more going on and I wanna see it not in a weirdo way and just like in an everyday kind of way, I'm curious, I want to explore and for me that has been so powerful, I think that if other people do that, if they get inspired and don't just sit back

and consume data but interact and try to break the mold, if I can weaponize anybody, one person to stop being a passive consumer and being an active participant in whatever mystery is interesting to them, we're gonna discover more. So for me it's like sharpening my will, sharpening my technique, becoming more effective

and engaging the world, that is my purpose and where that takes us, it depends on where we die and we're gonna learn to the day we die but hopefully we step out, look from the mountaintop and say, oh fuck, that's cool, we're above those clouds, keep climbing. Wow, that's beautiful man, do you think there's a, well there must be, you know the idea where if you have

some intent, you can be certain that someone has the opposite intent. There's no good fight without an adversary. Yes sir. Nobody to wrestle unless there's somebody going against your will. That is, you can't get good at jujitsu without somebody else, at least yet, I don't practice jujitsu, I'm just guessing.

Anything, anything, you need an opposing force. Yes, and so maybe you could talk a little bit about the opposing forces you've encountered as you begin to passionately investigate some things that I don't think it's even conspiratorial to say it isn't. This shit's being actively suppressed and also anybody who has the slightest inclination to investigate it, usually gets shamed

for even thinking about it, so can you maybe tell a story or talk about the encounters with those suppressive forces in your own life? Yeah, it's funny man, you're asking question I never really thought about out loud. What I learned from my training, from nine years old to whenever I got value in 2004, it was that everything in the martial arts, you have to be able to do it.

You can't just say it, you get on the mat, you find out. That's what I loved. I wasn't the best fighter, I was always the smaller guy. I think I was a good conveyor of information, like a teacher in that way, I think I could convey because I made all the mistakes and if you make all the mistakes, then you can help people that bypass those mistakes.

So what I learned from martial arts is that opposing forces, two wills and souls coming together to combat for space that there's truth and if it's a beautiful thing where you both wanna learn, man it's powerful, you just make each other better and that is the optimal situation in life. When you're opposing forces, they're not combative by nature, they're combative for the same goal,

to make each other better. That's what I hope life is like, right? Now of course it's not always like that, but you're right, there's always opposing forces. So for me, it's been much more, look I'm passionate by nature, I try to suppress it, I try to not scream and shout and you know, but I'm excited about this.

I'm not saying I know anything, I'm trying to learn more. But what's happened is, the opposing forces have been more personal, like hey, fucking four names, because I got four names, you know, the hate, the shame, the anger, and I think it's coming from an existential crisis. I think humanity is having a mid-life crisis

and I think humanity itself in many ways about the UFO topic, about not being the top dog, about not being the most intelligent life form in the universe is most advanced. I mean, you know, the whole idea that the sun revolves around the planet and the planet, you know, it's just, I think that's what I'm experiencing on like this big scale, but we all experience it

in the UFO world, people attack me, you know, your movies suck, your beard sucks, shut up when you know, Joe Rogan's talking to you, why are you there? I don't know if I get it worse than other people, I've been told that I do by, you know, like celebrity, let's say, we'll say, look, I get shit on, but what you get is like violently attacked.

I haven't seen that in the same way and it must be the subject, you know, or it's my personality is abrasive, but I don't think so. You're brave, you don't have an abrasive personality, no, it's the, no. Whatever it is, I think the subject is so polarizing because of the reasons I stated before.

So I think that the attacks, if it can't be on the big subject, it comes down to the person. So everybody says, yeah, have thick skin, all this, you know, I embrace criticism, I embrace getting better at speaking, at arguing, at getting the, I embrace that. What is not helpful is when that opposing force

doesn't want to learn to. Right, it's just suppressive, and that's all it is, it's just trying to stay clean. And to your point, I don't want to dodge your point. Yes, there has, and this, you know, people like to hear it, but it is, and it is true, there has been a campaign of ridicule and shame for looking at the UFO topic with logic and reason

and openness. This has been a campaign that started, you know, all the way back to our government using certain terms, right, even UFO, unidentified flying object. So that is true. You were edging on that, and I want to acknowledge that. That is true, that there's disinformation campaigns that we know about that have been documented

by government sources. So, yeah, that's true, but don't they do that with everything? I mean, fuck, they do it with COVID apparently. I mean, I don't know, you know, it's like, there's always some sort of agenda of PR that people are, you know, that everybody wants you to know. Right.

And so you see it with UFOs, you know, and I think we do it to ourselves too. You know, like as a comedian, a lot of, some comedians have said, that's the lowest bar. You always hit the UFO joke and boom, anal probe, you got it, people laughing now. Yeah, right. So we do it to ourselves, if that makes sense to you?

Well, yes, I think what you're hitting on though, is to me, the midlife crisis thing in particular, the existential threat to a particular default reality. Yeah, consensus reality. We're having an existential threat to consensus reality right now. That's what the UFO represents. And it's like, this is the thing, man.

Some people will encounter a legitimate miracle. Some people, and I know you have, maybe you don't even talk about it sometimes, or you feel too crazy, you don't wanna deal with it. But in your open-minded, but some people will encounter unprecedented synchronicities. Some people might see a thing that is so spectacularly impossible,

that it forces them to go into complete denial regarding that thing. Look, fuck the UFO shit. Let's just take stories of abuse that happen to people and their kids. The mind cannot tolerate something so horrific. And so it literally creates a kind of amnesic membrane around that memory, can't get rid of the trauma.

So you end up with an anxiety-ridden person who doesn't know what's wrong. But inside is this membrane within which this thing happened that they can't deal with. Now that's a dark way to describe it. But I think the identical thing might actually happen to people when they see paranormal events, when they encounter UFOs.

And people say, well, the aliens make you forget, man. And it's like, actually, I think maybe what's happening is it's too much. And so I think a lot of people have maybe had encounters with things, and they don't remember it, because to remember it is to create a shattering of their identity. Because how much of our identity is based

on reflecting default reality. And so, you know what I'm talking about? So there would at least, at the very least, be a subconscious imperative in people who are deeply committed to default reality, to shame you, to get you to shut the fuck up. But not because they are scared of UFOs, but because they're scared of what it means.

Right, right, okay, so what do UFOs represent? And to your point, I've seen this so much. I mean, it's like, in our own lives, we do it too. It's this crazy thing where when something is bigger than you want to accept, or your mind can't accept, we have these coping mechanisms. So we're just seeing this on this kind of cosmic level where these things are bigger than us.

And where I see this, for example, I get calls and reports all the time. People send me audio voice messages. That's how I've asked to get them, because they don't want to talk, they just want to tell me what happened. Okay, so I want to hear the storing, clearing house for all it, you know, insanity.

I love it, you know, no problem. I'm so curious about it. I don't judge it, I just want to hear it. So some people, they're like, I just want you to know, this is for your own information, maybe a piece that you'll understand or will help you later. I don't want you to report on it.

I don't want to be on a pie guys, I want to be a video. I just want you to know. And what's so touching about some of these encounters, you know, cops, active deployment, military individuals, you know, people that are trained observers, is hearing them try to describe something that they literally don't yet have the words to describe. They struggle.

I mean, I could play you some of these moments. They're so beautiful. It's like, they're trying to describe to me something they're observing or seeing or experiencing that is so outside of the realms, it's the twilight zone, man. And they don't know how to explain it. And that struggle to incorporate what you have,

what you know you have experienced that you've never been taught about, that is the conundrum that the UFOs represent. We're trying to label it. We're trying to explain it. What's the radar data? What are these things? Where are they from?

They're just part of this larger thing. We're just learning to create a vocabulary for. Oh, yeah, and the first, you know, one of my friends was telling me about, and I could never pronounce his name. That's my fault, Miceo. You know, I'm the physicist, Miceo Caiz. Oh, Michio Kaku.

Thank you, Michio Kaku. So he was telling me that Michio Kaku was just talking about the improbability of encountering aliens that were like us in our form. That we wouldn't even understand it. It's the old look. We're scanning for a thing based on our own conceptualization of how life works.

This thing could be, you know, dust motes. It could be the swirls of gas on Saturn. You know, we don't even have the ability to gauge it because it's so alien, it's not like us. But to me, those POVs, they leave out something that seems really obvious, which is another midlife crisis quality that's happening in our species right now,

which is right now we're transforming. People are experimenting with changing gender, and that's just the beginning. People are gonna start transforming as technology and the ability to radically, genetically re-engineer yourself, the ability to warp yourself in various ways beyond the transhumanist, I'm gonna put a glowing thing under my skin,

or I'm gonna change my eye color, my hair color, change my gender. It's gonna go further and further and further. And people, the original human form is gonna become a kind of antiquated, archaic thing. And all the people who are, you know, you stay the way you're born are gonna seem like idiots because it's like, why?

I wanna be a fucking half bear thing for a couple of months. You know, I don't wanna be the way I am, and I can do it safely. But then if that's going to keep going, then eventually there won't really be a human form because we will be what our minds decide we are. And so an alien, if we do even see it, isn't it the possibility more

that it's making itself look like something that we can identify, that we understand? It's communicating to us via its form. It's communicating to us through an analysis of our culture and saying, all right, I think we're in ships. So in other words, our stories about what they may be like, they'll become those stories and allow our projection to be them

so that they could talk to us. You know what I'm saying? So in other words, what I'm saying is, these things that we're witnessing, isn't it even a possibility that that isn't the form that they are, but rather that's the form they've chosen to take because it'll help us understand

that they're from another place and that they're advanced. Yeah, I mean, that's been the kind of paradoxical thing about this is that, you know, certainly there is some sort of intelligence that is engaging human consciousness. Now, are these in the form of aliens in spaceships? What we've seen is that throughout history, the presentation or the performance by the phenomenon

which include UFOs has altered over time. I mean, that's data, that's factual, is that the perception of these encounters has altered through time in unique ways. I mean, in kind of strange ways where you kind of see what's cutting edge at that moment. So in the 1800s, there was a lot of like airships right before there were airships going around their dirigibles.

And now it's like these refined saucers. And I don't know, it could be, it's like chicken or egg. If you're in biblical times and you're looking into the sky and you see these, you know, flying saucer looking things, to you they look like shields on fire, right? So it's described like that. And now maybe because we're more technologically savvy,

we're saying, hey, this is, you know, these hardware UFOs, gravity amplification, but maybe if we're seeing it now from such a kind of stunted perception, like we would have been in biblical times, what does it look like in 2000 years from now? You know, I've often thought about that, about like DMT as well.

If you have ever done it and you get these visuals, a lot of people say they're like technological visuals, the visuals themselves, remind of technology. Now, is that because inherently we're describing it that way? Or is it because it's presenting that way to us? Like how would you describe the same thing as a shaman, you know, 3000 years ago? I don't know.

You don't have, you know, computer chips to describe the visuals. So my point is there's always this interaction, this wrestling match of opposing forces of your will, your consciousness, what you think you know, and then fucking reality, you know? And we'll never, you know, you're never gonna be able to know,

but you know, truth is as, you know, there's this old quote, truth is perceived in, you know, in fragments with different angles of vision, like a prism. We're all looking at a similar thing that we call reality, but the way we perceive it, then makes us interact with it differently. It's such a unique experience to be a human on this earth and we're so lucky and we have such a short amount of time

and it's just so curious. It's curious and you know, in all of that, all the like projection, the UFO is a kind of, it's building the UFO, the UFO, the craft, the architects of the craft are using our own shared collective mind to build the craft. It's not building out of an element, it's building it out of our minds

and then that's what we're witnessing and that's why it would change over time and except for what's happening now. And you're great, interviews. What you have here is you have a hardware software problem. So everything you're saying there, we're talking about how we understand it from a kind of conceptual idea

that there's interplay between our consciousness and what we're perceiving as UFOs. The other fact, and I've tried to fuse these wrestlers together many times and it's difficult, there are hard physical craft of unknown origin that have been recovered and then now you're seeing that a little bit of that is leaking out and I don't wanna get too into the weeds about it

but what you read in the New York Times is factual in that we have programs to attempt to reverse engineer physical craft. Now from my position of knowledge, what I believe to be true based upon what I have experienced as far as my sources and this sort of thing, I'll just say it as my opinion. Which is that I know we have these craft

and that we've been trying to reverse engineer them and I know that they're far advanced from what we have as far as propulsion and I know that the number one thing that is stopping our ability to replicate these systems which we basically understand how they work. We understand how gravity amplification could work and that's what these craft are using

in how you see they negate inertia. So we know all this. Wait, I'm sorry, I wanna, earlier I wanted to ask you this, it fits in right now. Maybe you could go in a little bit more detail regarding the propulsion mechanism as Lazar has described it or even, I think there's a patent on it now

but maybe you could go in. Yeah, that's a roundabout. So I'm trying not to create everything into a minutia because we're talking about the bigger point but I'm very happy to express that from how I understand it. Back to that point is that our hold up though from how I understand it is the material science.

So to replicate these systems, there's fundamentally a leap in our material science that needs to occur in order to duplicate any of these systems and it has to do with the atomic layering of the materials themselves when they've been analyzed from how I understand it. When they've been analyzed, they're so perfectly aligned in atomic layering

and this is called metamaterials. This is where we fabricate materials that have not existed before in nature and we bind them on the atomic level so they interact with the physics that we already know uniquely and that's what something like a superconductor can do. Okay, okay, gotcha.

It can transfer heat really quickly because the alignment of the atoms, right? Let's say heat transfer. So there are other principles with this. So that's what we're running into with this hardware, with these pieces or materials or craft themselves is that we don't have the capability yet to replicate them.

Now you asked about how do these craft operate according to Bob Lazar? And that's what's so powerful about this. It's the first time this was ever described in this way and it remains to yet be challenged which is that these craft operate through essentially amplifying a wave, like you'd amplify a sound wave.

We know very little about gravity but we're discovering things like a gravity wave. This is now popular physics and that kind of thing. So this concept that gravity can manipulate space-time itself and you can amplify a wave using a power source and you can amplify it and pull space-time kind of closer to you. So the really simple analogy,

you put a bowling ball on a bed and you push your fist down on that bed, that bowling ball will fall towards the divot, the impression you push with your hand. That is the concept of propulsion when dealing with these craft that you're falling into time-space. You're not pushing something out the back

like everything else works. So that's a very simple version of what Bob described and that flipped my script. It flipped my script because it's absolute opposite. You're no longer reactionary propulsion pushing something out of the back going forward. That's how you and I move, right? This is a completely separate type of propulsion

and it's powerful. Oh man, that is so wild and I didn't mean to derail. I just, that part of it to me is so, gives me goose bumps and so, okay, so to get into the bigger picture here, the implications of this, because yes, the New York Times, two cockteas articles pop up all of a sudden, just all of a sudden out of the blue,

some off-world crap. They show a frame from a slide, something they showed to senators or some shit that says that there's, do you remember the exact wording? Cause it's like- Yeah, yeah, off-world vehicle, so yeah, off-world vehicle not made on this earth

or something like that, yeah. What the fuck? And then that's it. And then you're left with that. And I'm like, well, next week they're gonna announce this. Tucker Carlson's like, next week they're gonna say- Yeah, yeah, slow your roll, slow your roll. Let me explain.

Let me explain. Let me unpack this a little bit. So when George Knapp and I went with Joe on his show, we said, New York Times article's probably about to drop, right, cause we're involved with, everybody involved with this. And, but he also said, this is a very heavy lift for the New York Times with their editorial

and legal review process to overshoot and try to give too much, it's gonna be difficult. And I think they overshot a little bit. They're quoting a man named Eric Davis, and this guy was involved with a number of these Department of Defense projects. Now he certainly made that statement. He made that statement.

And I will tell you, I understand it to be correct, like on multiple levels. However, you gotta put, you gotta throw down if you're gonna say something like that. And that's where we have a problem. These are special access programs that deal with the hardware. The acknowledged UFO program called ASAP and ATIP,

these two, right? The ones that, you know, Snowden didn't find when he was looking for UFO stuff, yet they existed. They're so compartmentalized, they tried to get, Senator Harry Reid tried to get special access of program entitlement to the ASAP program because there are hardware programs that they wanted to interface with.

So if they get SAP access, they can interface with these other stove piped, as they call them, programs. Well, they got denied. The Defense Intelligence Agency got denied. So that shows you something about this. It shows you that you've got all these individual programs that are unacknowledged and they don't want them to interface because then it makes it real.

I mean, people are gonna start talking about this. We already have some leaks. So the New York Times was ahead of itself in that what it said was true, but they couldn't provide that hardcore backup that was needed in a story like the New York Times. Now, crossing fingers, they're gonna be able to get there. You think? Why?

I'm crossing fingers that they can continue to break these stories because they brought some good things forward. But if you're in this, it's nothing new. You know, this has been reported on by both me and George Knapp, like Commander Fravor. Before this became a famous case, I was into it, talking with him, recording and a number of people.

I just brought out Lieutenant Commander Chad Underwood, who's the guy that actually filmed the Tic Tac UFO. Yeah, man, I listened to that interview, so hardcore. So we're getting now the people who have direct experience. The public is getting the voices of the people that have direct experience engaging these unidentified on a military level. That's why people's minds are changing very slowly.

It took years for everybody to understand about the Tic Tac, the Gimbal and the Go Fast, those three videos, right? The Pentagon released videos. But it's changing. And it's changing in a way that I'm very optimistic that we're gonna be learning more about this mystery, whatever it is and whatever it represents.

Right. Now, do you think like just using Occam's razor is the reason they're hiding it not because they're like worried that humanity's consciousness will upshift and will no longer terrestrialize our identities? And through that, there'll be a natural shrugging off of the power structures of the earth. But rather, they're like, look, if we reveal this shit,

one of our enemies is gonna reverse engineer it before we do and have the most advanced fucking weapon ever, hippie. We don't care about your stupid consciousness. Fuck you. We're just trying to keep you from getting eradicated by some motherfuckers who figure out how to use this before we do. Do you think that's why they're hiding it from us?

Yeah, I'll tell you what I think. And I'll really try to preface this with, look, this is to the best of my knowledge at this time for whatever that's worth to whoever is listening. It's just my opinion based on what I've experienced and what I feel like I know. It's not about some consciousness shift thing. There are people that I know for sure

within the Defense Intelligence Agency who are blocking and fighting this information coming out because they think it's satanic. They think it's demons. What? Yeah, this is actually hardcore fact. This is, there are, I know this for sure. Oh, God.

This is crazy, right? This is so insane. But the people that ran these programs, they were getting pushed back for funding because of fundamentalist religious people who believe that the UFO phenomenon, whatever you want to call it, aliens, whatever, whatever we're seeing,

that it represents something demonic. That's not a joke. So that is an issue of people looking at this. However, however, the big picture thing from a Defense Department standpoint, there's one reason and one reason alone why they've been keeping this so secret. And that reason is weaponization.

These technologies represent a game-changing leapfrog technological situation for any weapons systems that we create from it. Gravity wave amplification itself is a absolute game-changer, you win, weapon system. So if this stuff is real, let's just say if this stuff is real, any of it, from a military perspective,

you take it and you understand it and you weaponize it before someone else so an adversarial nation doesn't get that technology just blow up humanity and look what happened with nukes. We have to have, we have to have a reassurance that we're both gonna kill each other, mutually assured destruction, as they say. However, there may be deeper levels of this

because if you think about it, let's say we do accept that there are spaceship, that there are aliens, that where a planet is being visited, that millions of people aren't crazy, that radar data isn't wrong, that the government hasn't studied this. Let's say we accept that. Well, where do you stop the questions?

Because if one thing is real, you have to ask a question about the next. So let's say spaceships are real. What about all those people that say that they've been abducted? About the people that say they got a saucer over them, they got inside, they had surgical stuff going on. I mean, where do you stop asking the questions?

And that's also maybe a threat to our way of life from a military perspective. Oh man, well yeah, I mean, that's just lawsuit land right there too. You know, I think, you know, just not that people are gonna sue aliens, but I'm just saying like any government agency that disregarded reports,

especially from military personnel, and there's stories of people getting sick from being around these things. There's stories of like, you know, you encounter them. Not just stories. We have physical evidence and data. I can send you a document that, you know, is from the British military, Ministry of Defense,

and it is very well calculated how what they call close proximity to UAP exposure, which means you're close to a UFO and there's a radiation effect. And they know the wavelengths of that radiation effect. Now this is just one document, but again, it's that totality again. It's that weight of evidence.

So I was part of something where we got this guy who was in Randall Shemforest during that famous UFO event series. We brought him in front of five congressmen and one senator and we're like, look, this guy had this experience and they're denying him health benefits because they won't acknowledge he was there during this UFO experience.

Well, all of a sudden Congressman Cook writes this letter and they get it in front of a number of individuals who were able then to get him full disability. They're acknowledging that he was there, that he was harmed by whatever he encountered that day and they gave him full disability. So it's not just stories. You were part of that?

I was, I actually put that on with a friend of mine that's called the Citizen Hearing on Disclosure. And it was again, Ruben Langton, we have 40 witnesses that came forward to five members of congress and one senator. And at the time I was just kind of making a documentary with that and my buddy asked me to help and get some witnesses.

And so it was really great. It was filmed like six cameras, a bunch of people came forward, but we're living in a different world now where that's actually happening, where we actually have closed door congressional briefings with people like the pilots who engage UFOs and they've now created a new task force

to study the UFO phenomenon. Wow. So it's happening. Beautiful though. I mean, how beautiful. Yeah, the very human stuff to me aside, and I'm glad we covered it, the weapons threat, the satanic perspective,

which is brand new to me, that one has like hurt my heart. But to me, it seems like the really terrifying thing, if you are someone who's still absorbed into like being a singular me, if you're someone who wants to have power, if you're getting off on control and power and dominance,

which seems to be a kind of mental contagion, a lot of people have this problem, then the biggest threat to you is a technology that people could use to get off the planet and not come back. I mean, do you know what I mean? I mean it, man, I'm not joking. Like, of course we're missing one

and crucial piece of the puzzle, which is what we need a planet that we get at the very least colonized and inhabit without dying. Mars is our closest choice, it's depressing though, but this technology, if we're talking, it's not just something that could be used for transport, but it seems like it's something that could be used

to create like underwater, very safe underwater bubbles within which you could oxygenate, meaning that suddenly people could just essentially, the last, if we are to not to suddenly go like full scale Alex Jones here, but if we are a herd and we are being milked of our energy, then you don't, the worst case scenario for someone who, let's say has a bunch of cows,

is that suddenly the cows learn to fly, right? You're fucked, you're not gonna get the cows back. And that's why that to me seems the main threat here, is that people in power probably don't want the people they're controlling to have the option to go to some other place. Let's look at that for a second. Maybe, what if it's worse?

Okay, what if that we have these craft that are appearing here that either come from another time, come from another world, come from another dimension, which I don't even know what that means, just coming from somewhere else, they're foreign, right? And why are there so many over so long a time? Like when we go scout the moon, man, we send up one camera, circles the moon a whole bunch,

and you get a perfect Google Maps of it. So why do you need all these different machines over so much different time, and then engaging with people in various ways? And the question there says, well, what if it's worse than what you said? What if we are an experiment where we are containers for something?

You know, we contain something that we're almost being farmed for a substance, something of substance to them, and they're tending to their field. What if our consciousness is what is the valuable commodity to another civilization? And the human body is like a wine bottle that matures that consciousness.

And if that is then taken later and used by somebody else as a commodity, that's the dark one. So what if the government was like, and I'm not saying, guys, don't cut this great, I ain't saying this is true. Free space. Free space.

I'm just saying to play off of what you're saying, if we really want to go into the kind of world of what ifs, right? What if what we're seeing is so much stranger and maybe darker, you know, not as good for the human condition? And what if that is known? And then how do you convey that?

It's not even the cows flying away. It's everybody stay right there, but know that you're just a product. I mean, that's evil shit. Well, I mean, if this is you go, I was just reading the book of Mark today, because I don't think people realize how many parables, if you like,

look at them from an alien perspective, a lot of them are about like panspermia, because you know, one of the great parables everyone talks about, Jesus says, you know, there was a farmer who threw his seed and some of it landed on a path and couldn't grow and some of it landed on thin soil and couldn't grow and some of it,

but and so the explanation of the parables, this is like the connection with the Christ consciousness will grow in some people's hearts, but some people aren't ready for it. But what if that's more of like, look, we're colonizers. We send out genetic data throughout the universe, which is designed to reach a certain apex of technology through which a portal is built

that we can then travel through and take over their planet because it's habitable, which is why our technology started growing there. And sometimes it doesn't grow. Sometimes it does, but it grew on your planet, motherfuckers, and we're coming. And then that's the, you know, he didn't say motherfuckers.

I do feel though that like there's a, and this is very naive of me, but I do feel like there's something that, and it is naive, but something that's- But isn't it okay to think anything? Isn't it okay to, I mean, that's the thing where you're gonna shut down our own, you know, ideas and philosophies go forward.

Like you're not saying that you know it to be true, whatever you're about to say, you're just saying, this is a thought I'm having. A thought I'm having is they're benevolent. And the reason I think they're benevolent is because whenever I've encountered hyperintelligent beings, one of the first things they've done is disentangle themselves from their own selfish needs.

And when I meet people who are confused, they're always worried about their own self and they're always grabbing at shit and they're scared. And so, you know, so I like to think like, man, as above so below, if these beings are advanced, they might be playful in a way that we don't think of as funny, you know, especially if they are, imagine this,

like what if I know, okay, you are a balloon and you're a temporary balloon within which it's held this infinite field of consciousness. And the thing you call death is really freedom for you. And so I realize, oh shit, this particular sector of our galactic empire, oh my God, the balloons, the consciousness is think they're the balloons. Oh fuck, they're so miserable.

Well, let's go pop the balloons, free them, and then welcome them into the galactic empire. To us, that looks like being massacred. To them, it looks like setting sentience free. So, you know, that's the scary part. Yeah, well, and let me be clear on, you know, what I have experienced in that, I told you this kind of dark world theory

of the human beings, butchering their souls as commodities and bottles, and I don't believe that. No, I don't. That's just, you know, we're going down this path. It's fun to think about. I absolutely have the personal experience in this world that reflects what you just said, in that when we, the kind of more,

so directed panspermia, this idea that, you know, the earth was colonized by genetics, right? It's a very fascinating theory. And then this idea, and I would like to believe this, I would hope to believe this, that an intelligence existence outside of us, that it is somehow helping us move to the next goal post and evolve and transition.

And my personal experience is reflective of yours, in that people of true power, individuals, we don't have to talk extra extra, individuals of true power, they have absence of fear that you're going to take something from them. When we are our most confident, we're not thinking what you can take from us. We're thinking what we can give to you.

There's something beautiful about, hold on, there's something beautiful about building somebody, helping to help somebody build themself up. I have only that experience. The world is kind to me. Even people that yell at me and say fucking four name and all that stuff, you know, that's okay. That's part of the learning process for me to get better

or to reject other people's opinions about me, right? So I do experience world like you. It is mystical, it is ever evolving, I'm ever evolving. And there's a playful interaction where I truly feel that we are being urged to be better and to get better. And that's our personal challenge to accept it or not. And what dampens that is fear of loss, man. The moment you let go,

not even just let go of fear of death, then you're just crazy, right? But you let go of fear of loss. Life is going to include loss, but it's going to include growth if you allow it. So that's my aim, that's my agenda. I do not fear loss. I do not what fear of someone's gonna shame me

or take something away from me. I'm gonna learn from it no matter what. And if we can live in that to the best we can with every moment, it is absolutely incredible how every day becomes this valuable day that you won't forget. Jeremy, I am so grateful to you for your time and for this download, man.

Thank you so much for coming on the show. Enlightening, you're an enlightening force in the universe. Please keep up the good work and let people know where they can find you, how they can help you, where they can leave these voicemails and let you know maybe some of the things they've heard. Yeah, I would love to hear what people's

unique experiences are, what experiences that are extraordinary that kind of break the mold of what is considered consensus reality. And the way I like to perceive it is if you just shoot me an email off your iPhone, like a voice message and send it to editor at extraordinarybeliefs.com,

because that's where all my work is found, then I will hear it. I'm backlogged, it'll take me a little while, but I'll hear it and I'll appreciate it. I want to learn about this stuff. And I only report on a fraction of what I learned, but I appreciate every story that's shared with me. And thank you, Duncan.

I don't know how we found each other is through the people that you talk with on a daily basis. I'd say your comrades, the people that join you for your podcast. Yes, the community, yeah, they connected us, thank God. That's where some of my greatest interviews are coming from, actually. It's so beautiful, it's organic.

That's so cool. So I'm appreciative to that because you could have anybody that you spend time talking with and as much as you have me on, I appreciate your audience and yourself wanting to learn more about this. We're all in the same boat.

We all want to know the truth, we all want to learn more. Nobody has all the answers, but I think together as we look at this mystery, if we don't shut each other up, if there's wrestlers, if there's two wrestlers, they don't try to harm each other and they try to mold and shape each other into stronger individuals,

we'll get up more than we are today. And so that's the goal here. So thank you for having me on, I appreciate your time. One of my favorite podcasts of all time, man. Thank you so much. And if there's, listen, I hope you will come back on again when some more of this stuff starts percolating.

I really hope we could continue this conversation. Yeah, let's continue. And it doesn't have to be about UFOs, man. There's a lot to talk about that these represent in our lives. So anytime that you want, we can continue the conversation. Part two.

Thank you, my friend. Thank you so much. Hey, tremendous thank you to Squarespace and DHM detox for sponsoring this episode of the DTFH. Do support our sponsors. They support us. And a huge thank you to Jeremy for being on this show. Again, his website is extraordinarybeliefs.com.

Check him out. Join our Patreon, patreon.com, forward slash DTFH. My sweet friends, I love you so much. Keep your eyes to the skies. And Hari Krishna. I'll see you next week. Ghost Towns, Dirty Angel, out now.

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