Duncan Trussell Family Hour - 408: Ramin Nazer

Episode Date: November 7, 2020

Ramin Nazer, visionary artist and creator of Rainbow Brainskull (Hour), re-joins the DTFH! Ramin has a new book out! Read Everything I Ever Wanted. Also check out Ramin's podcast, Rainbow Brainksull, and follow him on Instagram @raminnazer. This week's artwork is copyright Ramin Nazer. Original music by Aaron Michael Goldberg. This episode is brought to you by: Squarespace - Use offer code: DUNCAN to save 10% on your first site. TRU Niagen - Visit truniagen.com/duncan and use promo code DUNCAN at checkout for $20 off your first order! Shudder - Use promo code DUNCAN for a FREE 30 Day Trial.

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Greetings, my beautiful friends. It is I, Dee Trussell, and this is the very end of election week. It is Friday, November 6th. I'm sure many of you out there are on edge and freaky out and stressed out. So I made this song for you. It's kind of a guided meditation that you can listen to to relax. You deserve to relax. After relaxing, you deserve to relax.

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That's you deserve to relax. And that's going to be on my first album, which is an album of guided meditations called you deserve to relax. Hopefully that helped you friends. We have got a long, epic mega podcast with one of my favorite guests, Ramin Nazir. He is the creator of the Rainbow Brain Skull Hour, along with some of my favorite visionary art out there.

And we cover everything. We talk about QAnon. We talk about mollusks, Satanism, transhumanism. We talk about time travel. Terrence McKenna makes an appearance on this epic podcast. Before we dive in, I want to thank my dear Patreon subscribers. If you're interested in swimming deep into the inner nexus of the DTFH, go to patreon.com.

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We're talking about a true, authentic, brilliant fucking genius here. Go to his website. It's Ramine Nazir.com. That's R-A-M-I-N-N-A-Z-E-R.com. Listen to his podcast Rainbow Brain Skull, but first listen to him here. Everybody, please welcome to the DTFH Ramine Nazir. Welcome to the DTFH Family Hour brought to you by Blue Tube, brought to you by Squarespace, brought to you by Cash App, brought to you by

Dammit, Casper. You know, it's actually kind of coincidental that you're starting off with Los Casper a long time ago, unfortunately. But you're starting off with sponsors because your last podcast episode, the Rainbow Brain Skull, you were hour, but it's actually generally more than an hour. I did the same thing. I called mine an hour. It's like, what the fuck? Yeah, I kind of stopped saying the hour part, but I guess technically

on some of the metadata, it's still there. But here's the point. You got sponsored by eyeballs in your last episode. And I wanted to ask you, how did you get connected with them? And are they what company is putting eyeballs into people's heads? And how did you get sponsorship from them? Um, it's a part of Elon's new move, not movie, his new company, the Eyeball Company.

Kind of a weird slip up there, huh? Movie. Not that you would say that. What did I even say, eyeing? Whoops, no, you said it was a movie. Kind of like, you know, something about what's going on here. You must, right? Because you're like, you're sponsored by eyeballs.

Tell me, go ahead, though. So it's a musk thing. Like it's I always thought that eyeballs are just kind of like organic things that spring out of human DNA. I didn't realize they were a corporation. Not just human DNA. I think it goes back 500 million years when the eyeball was first invented and there was no such thing as eyeballs before that.

And life used to just be motion and bumping into shit. Love, dude, you don't have to sell your thing on my show. All right. I know you're just doing the copy right now, but they're great. I agree. But let's get to the meat of the thing. How'd you get sponsorship from the way that people transform photons and animals and all like creatures that have eyes into some

and something we could see? How'd you get that sponsorship? I need that eyeball dollar. Oh, I just said I would suck off the guy that owned the company as one would get any sponsor. The guy owns eyeballs or Elon Musk? Both of them. Why not?

Why stop at one? I would most I would I would give Elon Musk a blow job if he asked, probably. What if he didn't ask, but he just kind of like eyeballed? Oh, that's good, man. I don't have to talk to my wife about it. I'm sure she wouldn't care. She think it was weird. There was we are.

We're starting off we're starting off goofy. And before we we do a DTFH, it's always I'm always in my head. I'm like, is this going to be a goofy one like a Johnny Pemberton or Brendan Walsh episode, or are we going to get into mindfulness like a Sharon Salzburg, Ragu Marcus episode? You never know. I mean, that's the thing. It's like, you know, it's like the way it's good.

I mean, I do didn't I do know. You know, if I if I'm doing a podcast with someone who is in a comedian, I definitely am not going to if I even tried to do any kind of off the cuff improv with Sharon Salzburg, it would I think she would be like, not she I don't know. I don't know what would happen to be honest. I should have tried. Some of these people actually will surprise you with how like,

like Trudy Goodman is a really good actor. And, you know, like a lot of them are like very artistic, but they've gotten like their their role. People know them for is the spiritual teacher or whatever. You know, Ram Dass played the cello before his stroke. You know, they expressed the cellist, the lover, the professor, the son. What are his other identities? Oh, my God, the race car.

You like fast cars, which a lot of people don't know about him. He like really? Yeah. He was I didn't know he liked fast. Oh, that's right. He had a Mercedes Benz. Yeah, that's an airplane. Triumph motorcycle. That's it.

Yeah, he was into like worldly stuff for sure. And he was not ashamed of that at all. He was delighted by things in the world. I, you know, I'd love to know your thoughts on this, man. I'm I'm listening to this book. It's blowing my mind. Have you read these? I think it's called The Seven Story Mountain by Thomas Merton.

The Seven Story Woman by Thomas Merton. No, that's the Seven Story Woman is a different, wonderful, erotic book by Lord Rembrandt Pearl. And it's it's a delightful book about a guy like it's is naked and just lives in the pocket of the Seven Story Woman. The Seven Story Mountain by Thomas Merton Mountain. Yeah, mountain is really, really good. And but he became a monk.

And the part that I don't like about the book is that he. Really disses the world, you know, like he thinks the world is like kind of a fucked up place and that the best place to be is out of the world in a monastery. What are your thoughts on the monastic life? Unlike avoiding everything, I wonder how long I could tolerate it. I think you said on an episode recently with Sharon Salzburg or Russell Brandt or one of those people about how, oh, man, I would hate it.

I would hate to be a monk and how like day three, you would just kind of be over it. You don't want to shave your head and just and Ram Dass would would say it well, too, like when he was trying to be live the monastic life. He then became the horny celibate, meaning that none of that went away. He's just hiding it inside of him and choosing to transmute it there. But I don't know about being away from everything. I watched the show Avatar, The Last Airbender pretty recently. Have you seen that? Have you heard about this?

That show has been recommended to me so many times that it's really kind of disrespectful that I haven't watched it yet. Because some of the coolest people I know are like, you got to watch this show. It's spiritual. It's like a teaching or something. Yeah. Next time you have the time for it, do it. Or when your son gets old enough, maybe like it'll be at that perfect pocket of you'll both enjoy it because it's it's one of those shows that adults like it and kids like it and teens like it.

Why did I bring that up? Oh, so there's four nations, right? There's the there's the air nomads. They're the monks that decided that the world should just be left alone. And we're going to do our own thing and just play up in the air. There's the water tribe. There's the Earth Kingdom and there's the Fire Nation. And the Fire Nation just wants to destroy or conquer everything, not destroy, but make it their own.

Yeah. And during the Great War, the Fire Nation ended up wiping out all the airbenders because the airbenders were just just hanging out there so they didn't have enough defenses. So I don't know. Something about something about the ultra peaceful life. I just always thought it wouldn't wouldn't pan out long term if there was some real bad guys after you.

Oh, right. OK, right. So yeah. So that is the sort of geopolitical consideration of the Brahmachari ashram of the monastic class, which is you y'all need us like, you know, you for the for the monasteries to exist. Right. There's a sense of like, well, you're also going to need the laypeople who are like freedom isn't free. It costs people like you and me. Yeah. Yeah. The, you know, yeah, my critique of the thing is more like I just would

I find it to be so like the idea of it to be so. Dull or something. And but then, you know, the the I think the react. Hold on one second. Awesome. Anyway, like it's it was it's more along the lines of like, God, I'd be so bored. But when you're reading Merton talking about what it was what it's like to go into one of these trappist monasteries, it the way he paints the picture of it, it's not boring at all.

It's like essentially like another dimension. It's like a portal out of the world into some other place that isn't affected the way we are by the stuff going on, like the elections. Like he basically the way he puts it, it makes it seem like it's Narnia or something, you know, like something completely out of time and space. It very it very well may be so. And like we were so attached to all these different

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Because I've never done it. I mean, you and I both meditate and we're all about meditation. Oh, I need to meditate more and be more still and up the time we're doing it. But I mean, I've never done the multiple week thing of you. Hell no. I mean, multiple week, it's like no. And added to that is essentially like, and this is another thing I've been looking into and I'd love to know what you thought about it. The idea of renunciation.

Not just like by going into a hermit like a hermit mode, but renunciation in the sense of beginning to cut yourself off from the things of the world. Like in the way Thomas Merton put it was literally like music. Like music of the world, like everything, like turning off all the faucets of the world. And then, you know, what happens when you cut? Turn all the apps off that you're running.

And it's it's like, yeah, what he's saying is when you do that, you essentially are pulled into God or you're, you know what I mean? That that the whole world itself, this is the part that gives me goosebumps. The whole world itself, it's not that real. It's not much. And there's this eternal loving

love, there's an eternal light that is not. That if you're too caught up in the world, you can't see it. Yeah. And the more you cut the world off, the more that light grows inside of you. And there's nothing better than that. Like if you're lucky enough that you should have the discipline to do that, then yeah, you go into another universe. It's essentially like, look, you know, how many of us have smoked DMT,

taken ayahuasca, tripped out and in the height of the moment thought, God, I wish I could just stay here. Yeah, you know, like I wish I could stay in this other dimension, not stay high. But I wish I could stay in this completely different place. It doesn't seem that affected by the material world. And that's what he's suggesting. He's like, oh, every monastery door is a literal portal into a completely different universe.

You know, but then I get really bummed out because it's like, I like music. Yeah. You know, I like the colors. I like the world. I like politics, you know? And that's where I think maybe that's just Catholicism, you know, or that's you know, that's all of them is liking stimulation. No, Catholicism, especially monastic Catholicism is not just like shrugging off the world, but kind of like not liking like that.

When you hear him talk about it, when he's really kind of severe. I mean, it's a fucking month. Yeah. But he's really kind of severe about the world. And it's and they talk about Satan and how like, did you ever see the witch? Oh, man, someone was just talking about. I don't know if I saw the witches or hocus pocus. So I feel like I've seen eight witch movies in the last year.

But I don't know if that's the one I actually saw. We had a spray of witch movies, didn't we? Like for a while, he's fucking hereditary. What do we hereditary really annoys the shit out of me? I love Ari Aster. We could I love all this other stuff. Hereditary. You know what bugs me about Ari Aster is he's too ordinary looking.

Like I want some like kind of quirky looking old man. He's like a 32 year old professional looking guy. I'm like, you came up with the fucked up shit. That's not I'm not. It shows how our judgments are insane. Like, yeah, I'm looking at Ari Aster right now. Like if you looked at him, if you just met him, the first thing you thought wouldn't be you make some of this creepiest fucking movies ever.

No. And yet he does. And like you really get the sense that he's like definitely tuned into the metaphysical world, man. Like I love so much of his stuff, but I just couldn't connect. What else does he have other hereditary and mid somar, which are both which are both good mid summer. Did you say mid summer?

Because you kind of blurred out on me. Mid somar, mid somar, mid somar. You didn't see mode somar. I did see it. I loved it. That's that's what made me really fall in love with him. Let's look at his entire character here. Hold on a second.

Let me look, let me see here. But that ordinary looking guy is standing in that barn with the 50 naked women all chanting and unison and the one that's like pushing his butt into the like teenage girl. And then like he's just standing there with his little director thing, probably going, all right, that was good. One more time from the top and action. And he he created all that.

I don't know what the point of that is. Just I think it's the same point as earlier. Here's what he's made. Oceans eight, which I have not seen. That's the best oceans. Hotel Artemis. You didn't see oceans eight. I liked oceans four way better.

The witch, which was fucking great. It comes at night. I liked it creepy as hell. And then mid summer was his like hit. But, you know, the the the thing that like I do like about his movies is like his the like his idea of evil. Yeah. And I'm not, you know, but, you know, the in the witch.

What what I was getting at was like there's a part where like, I guess Satan appears. Let me see if I can find the exact quote from it, which was let's see here. Would you ever get a Jamie for yourself or you always want to keep it a small operation? I always want to keep it a small operation. I mean, I do need to. I have a Jamie named Aaron, who does like helps me do all my editing and production and stuff, but he like the as you have experienced with me.

It's a little chaotic over here. The way I work is kind of spontaneous. And, you know, I wouldn't want to drag someone around with me through that, you know, anyway, the point every time we've interacted, it's like you're perpetually moving into a new place. Yeah, exactly. I remember I was in your your place where you had that that big green egg out front and the big picture of Neen Crowley Baba and then then you moved

to kind of like across the street from me here in Silver Lake. They were a little more Highland Park. And now you're I don't know, you've been in like five different places in the last three years. Man, I'm definitely a traveling person. I move around a lot and I used to resist it. But now I'm just used to it's been like that my whole life. I mean, I don't think any of us have any kind of like perpetual identity

necessarily, but if I karmically, it does seem like my karma is to to move around a lot. But now that I have a kid, I mean, that's why we came up here to the mountains is because we realize like, yeah, you can't do that gypsy life with a kid. You know, I don't think the kid would the art kids would would be too upset about it in the sense that if they're, you know, if you're used to a nomadic life, you get used to it. But we're trying to find a nice stable environment for them.

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And it's like something like that. But it's like the, that version of Satan is very Catholic and very Christian. And it's one where it's this refined personality that is seductive, that is, you know, gregarious and funny. And like, you know, all the things in the world that we consider to be success are like facets of the satanic energy from that particular perspective. You know, like eating nice food, being fancy, having an advanced personality, being famous, being like someone, someone, all that stuff,

from Merton's perspective, from the monastic perspective, especially is like considered to be a convoluted relationship with God, like a reversal of what's actually important. Kind of like the whole time we are at the base of this like holy mountain, pretending it's not there and essentially like eating our own shit and pretending we're eating like fucking like steaks. You know what I mean? Because in comparison to being a servant of the divine energy,

nothing the world offers you can compare. Like nothing in the world can touch it. And, and you know what I mean? This is Buddha under the Bodhi tree. What do you think about that? Yeah, I think we all know it deep down, but it's also like there's no shortcut to it because the Buddha had everything before he left the palace. He didn't just decide like, you know what, these things aren't going to make me happy.

He experienced them to excess and then was like, all right, there's got to be more. And I feel like when you, not you, but when we try to be like, hey, it's not all about the money and fame, money won't make you happy. Like I feel like that's not going to work on anyone until they have the money and realize that money doesn't solve all your problems. It does solve all your money problems. As that one guy said, what's his name? The guy that, how to get rich tweet guy, Naval Ravikant.

That's what he said. I don't know him. Oh, he had a great quote where he says money doesn't solve all your problems. It only solves all your money problems. That's cool. And yeah. So, but, but it's like we, we know it and, but we also keep learning it along the way. If that makes any sense.

Like, oh, I thought this thing was going to make me happy and then it turns out it didn't. Oh, it may be if I have a hundred thousand Twitter followers, if I have a million, or if I have this amount in my bank account, or if I have this type of social thing, it seems like nothing outside wise ever really gets you there. That's why it's so tricky because it's always one step away from the action where it's like, well, next step will really be there, but you never get there. So much of your art has within it like this, a teaching that I do connect with Ram Dass, a kind of self forgiveness, a kind of acceptance of the self, a kind of like you're fine,

just where you're at. So much of that, do you really believe? And how much of that do you, do you sometimes like scratch your chin and wonder to yourself like, what if this is all wrong? I'm split exactly down the middle. I like split half the time like it's, this is truth and I am enlightened. And the other half I'm like, these stupid rainbow comics, I'm an idiot. And these are all third grade concepts or not even third grade concepts.

And it's so surface level, not good. And then, you know, you kind of swing back and forth between the two extremes. As I'm sure you do too. That's interesting. I do. But what's very interesting to me is that your comics seem like the opposite of surface level to me. Like they seem like very deep and psychedelic. And like sometimes that I'm looking at them, I get the Terrence McKenna effect,

where I just feel like I'm tripping or something, or I'm remembering something. So that's interesting. And what is it that you remember other than what you didn't have? And if it wasn't in your memory at all, which brings me to what we're going to be discussing over the weekend, which is do you love like an old McKenna talks? He's always talking about the weekend because they're all at some excellent retreat. And it's like a small room and the coffee is like stale. But these are like these divine relics to us.

Like, oh, it's an old Terrence McKenna talk where he. Dude, I love that you're roasting Terrence fucking McKenna right now. How like he escapes the scorn of all of us. We're all so blown away with him. But yeah, man, sometimes I listen to him and I think, wow, this guy is just like holding court right now. It's some expensive retreat. You know what I mean? Like, but yet still compelling.

Like he's so brilliant. Oh, yeah. Terrence is probably it shifts, but most of the time Terrence is my number one. Not that I don't love Ram Dass and not that Ram Dass isn't my number one sometimes or Alan Watts isn't my number one. But for some reason, Terrence would always just stand outside of all paradigms. And ask, well, what is it that you're doing if you're not just getting drunk and praying to some guru or this malarkey? Well, I didn't intend to get into this over the weekend, but basically the rap is this. All boundaries are dissolving the boundaries between living and dead, the boundaries between male and female.

And now the boundaries between past and future, where we see figures from the past emerge now through holograms and deep fakes, which weren't even invented when I was alive. But now I'm talking about them, which brings up this whole other thing, which Duncan hasn't even had a chance to speak in the last five minutes. It's just all been Terrence. Why am I going to cut off Terrence McKenna? You're channeling Terrence McKenna. You know, that is the, to me, the, all the political shit aside, all of our obsession with the state right now, all of the embarrassing 2020 fixation on the machinations of the American fucking empire aside.

To me, the winter is coming that nobody's talking about because of the goddamn president being this like attention vampire. Yeah. A black, a fucking black hole of narcissism. Unlike anything most people have ever encountered. Thank God is that we are going to resurrect the dead. Terrence McKenna sure as shit is just on a hiatus right now. He is coming back as much as you can come back without a physical body. And that is going to be through an AI doing exactly what you just did.

The only difference being that it's going to have at its disposal to some total of all of Terrence McKenna's lectures. And it will have gone through every single one of those created some neural map through which it can express itself. And we're going to like you for sure are going to be at a Terrence McKenna lecture. That's an AI that is adapted or adopted or sort of absorbed his consciousness via energetic Analyzation of all the things he said in his body language. Yeah. That's real man. And that's going to be true for everybody.

And I that to me like that's the thing we do see every once in a while the click bait deep fakes are going to get his thing. But I don't think anybody has really gone deep. Don't you kind of look forward to it like I've noticed when this might be an older episode but you were bringing up this with Rogan and how there's going to be an AI version of Joe Rogan that's even more interesting and compelling than the real one. Yes. Because it's you know younger and it's got more you know CPU while Joe the real carbon based one is aging and yeah going away. But like I remember that his reaction was more like oh that's scary. But you're just kind of laughing in the back and there's something very freeing about everything like dissolving basically like every video

you're not going to be able to know if it was a deep fake or not every audio you're not going to know if it was a deep fake or not even if it gets stamped by the official fact check company. There's always going to be people questioning the ministry of truth and the ministry of the other ministries that George Orwell fucking things. You know what I mean. The fucking ministry of quoting George Orwell the ministry of like yeah. Yeah man I the yeah the this sort of path in human history really does to me show how prescient McKenna was because he he was getting us ready for the singularity and he was talking about how the closer we get to this event the more our systems are going to melt down. And that this that's the big meltdown man which is like when people are dead they're dead.

You know what I mean they don't fucking come back. You're not going to get to communicate with people who have dropped their bodies anymore. You can absorb their writings. You can watch their movies listen to them talk but certainly you aren't going to talk to them again and that you know all the stuff we are all going to have to go through the thing where people are going to see some porn of us like you know making love to like. I don't know fucking the guerrillas and already. Whatever it may be. Have you seen people.

There's deep nudes now and deep fake video nudes too. I don't know if they do it for video yet but yeah there's already there's already software that X-rays a person. Oh yeah yeah I've seen that. I know what you're talking I wrote a little article on it and like all the revenge porn people are doing with it and all that stuff. But that that's just like you know it's that that is the I think one of the embarrassing qualities of humans is that. Generally any kind of tool that we have the first thing we do is try to use it to fuck. Fucking you know what I mean that's still the monkey part of us. And so like the sexual you know second chakra stuff is it always gets magnified or you know amplified or used or converges with our technology.

And so yeah deep fake sex stuff all that stuff. But like post that now that that shit will ever stop. I mean it's going to get worse. It's going to be people are going to be having non-consensual sex with famous people through VR and some kind of like you know what's that shit called. I don't know. You know now yeah VR AR mixed in with like you know high tech fucking flashlights and high tech. Feedback gloves and so you can be a full sensory. That's what I felt was missing from Wally where like they should have been in these full haptic body suits instead of in front of TV.

But I digress. Well that's where they got. I mean you know they were trying to be relatable probably. But yeah I agree with you. That's where they got it wrong. But like the the the great robbery that nobody seems to want to look at is the robbery of the personality. It's like we can tolerate the somebody. I mean it's still going to be annoying and uncomfortable and shitty to imagine that someone's like you know fucking an AI version of VR version of me.

A deep fake version of me. I don't know if there's really bother you though. Like at this point like maybe in 1998 or something. But after having all we've been through and seeing like I don't feel like any combination of pixels on a screen is going to surprise me. Like I've already like ran it in my head. I'm like yeah do what you want with the pixel. Non consensual anything sucks man. Like you know what I mean.

Like it sucks when like you let any kind of like data stream in and the data stream has got aggression in it. Even though a lot of times it disguises and then you know what I mean. Like I didn't I didn't want to talk to you. I didn't invite you in. So like you add to that that suddenly you know like your girlfriend is going to be like hey look man somebody made this deep fake of them like fucking you. You know what I mean. No bad press. It's going to be annoying.

No bad press dot com. That's going to be the deep fake porn site. But like the the to me like where it gets really weird is when you add to it the duplication or the mimicry of a person's personality mixed in with that and not just fucking whatever it may be. You know and then suddenly like essentially like the thing that so many people consider to be who they are something they really have ownership over their personality. Suddenly that is no longer yours and that gets duplicated replicated and then people are hanging out with you living with it. You know what I mean in some AR world people are going to be hanging out with you. You're going to be their roommate and they're going to like have conversations with you and they can even make a kid with me. They can have a non consensual child with my DNA and have sex with that and have that person shouting racial slurs or whatever.

It's all on the table. Torture you. Sure. I mean that's the other thing they're going to like who want like in the future no one's going to be excited about seeing a YouTube video of their AI self inhabiting a deep fake in somebody's virtual reality basement being burnt with cigarettes. Right. Like you know what I mean like and to me like those kinds of events as they come and not to mention all the like nefarious shit where someone's going to get a FaceTime from you being like please send me money. Oh that's going to happen with ads like there's going to be dead loved ones selling you like insurance as you walk down the street if there's still a street to walk down but all of that. But what's going to happen over time and this is the part I'm trying to get out here this is the singularity part is that we're gradually going to stop believing that our bodies matter that much.

That's the thing it's like our duplicates are going to be so precise that the moment of death is just really going to be we're going to like go full circle to what they already say it is in you know certain cultures which is you're dropping your body. The difference is that in the past when you drop your body people hang out with you in their hearts and their minds and their imaginations. But in this case people are going to be hanging out with you for real. You know what I mean that's what I'm saying it's like we'll is I'm not talking within the next decade I'm saying 2030 years. The next decade is not unbelievable though. It's not unbelievable but I would say I'd say this is like 2050 problems but who the fuck knows like where suddenly people the people just start killing themselves not because they're depressed but because it's like I don't want to be the body right now like I'm just going to be my deep fake like I'll exist in the net that's where I'm going to be and some weird religion will spring up around it. And then what will happen is someone will kill themselves and their deep fake immediately will be like I'm fine I'm fine it didn't hurt at all.

You know what I mean like but was is it real you'll be like wait are you serious yeah yeah my soul transferred you know what I mean but it's like that's just an AI. And the next generation isn't even going to find that strange. Well right I mean that's going to be one of the big problems that's like one of there there's so many of these like technological difficulties that are right around the corner from us but to me the hair raising goose bump stuff. My friend is that what they said about the end of the world is true the dead will come back to life and be judged hang on I'm going to disconnect my phone I don't know I'm suddenly getting calls. Sure thing this episode of the DTFH is brought to you by Mattress chew you chew that mattress and get 5% off with your code trust. Trussells. Yeah guys this is a great time for a commercial. Yeah we've got a new sponsor it's collects code French bread mattresses they.

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If you know enough about them and perhaps we're even this this goes to the other boundary so McKenna said that the boundary between. Future and past and present would dissolve so that kind of comes along with the death one because you just grab a data set from the past and you bring it back and then it's like not dead anymore. All of a sudden and we saw it with gender in I mean gender it's always been happening but specifically in the last five years gender was kind of turned upside down. On his head before it was little boys do this little girls do this and now like you're a turf if you even. You know suggest there is I mean what's the definition of a turf I was about to ask you that someone that says that someone that's a turf is someone that doesn't think trans people are actually women or that trans men aren't. Men they're like a different that's called a turf I don't know yeah that's what it is it's tough to keep up with all these things you know how many terms get invented per day. That you miss out on if you're not on Twitter or tick tock or something well I mean that that's the thing the trans people they're like the most cutting edge among us because they're the ones who are like you know. Shaking that shaking off the tyranny of DNA assigned identity and that and all the cultural shit that is connected to that and like that's terrifying for a lot of people and I think the reason is terrifying for a lot of people is not necessarily.

Because the people who are turfs as you say are homophobic even though that is a lot of them but also because they they grok that it this is the very beginning of the meltdown of everything as we understand it and that's terrifying that's terrifying I mean it's like. You know. The reason I one of the reasons I think that trans people. Get attacked by turf so much is more of a technological problem in the sense that the requires surgery for a lot of these people are like they have to take hormones and stuff to. Transition genders and there's a temporal lag in between that which is off putting I guess for turfs or something like that but the more that temporal lag diminishes. And the more even it becomes less of a permanent decision even though some people want to stay there permanently I think it'll become less controversial it's just right now it's because like. You know what I mean like what I'm saying is if we were to get to the point if where we could instantaneously transform into not just another gender which I think it would be like that would be something they did in school is they would be like okay everybody we're going to turn into women today. Like oh we're going to you know what I mean just so you can experience what it's like to be a woman.

Like it's certainly or to feel a woman to have like a woman's body you know or like here's what here's what we're going to like do whatever this technology is some atomic. You know whatever quantum nano particle readjustments and who knows what the fuck it is a neural link in or whatever but certainly it's something that like doctors would do you know what I mean the same way when everyone was excited about psilocybin and psychedelics. One of the reasons they were excited about it is because they were they were wrong but they thought it was inducing a schizophrenic state. And so psychologists were excited because they thought okay if I can know what it's like to be schizophrenic I could work with schizophrenics right that was that I was one of the things that was exciting about it but. God damn how great will it be for you know men to know what it is like to like have the hormones the genitals everything of a woman just at the very least is be like oh that's what it feels like to be a woman. You know what I mean it's one of the great just to be able to squat on top of a mirror all morning just to only be able to do that but I was thinking about wait wait to look at your pussy. Yeah that is you're right that's like the first like that's what I would do first day. Oh but the I was thinking that we already do this in video games like if you select Princess Peach when you're playing Mario Kart or if you select Chun Lee when you're playing Street Fighter or you want to play as infested

Kerrigan in Starcraft yeah whatever other examples I can give it's not like you're you're picking a girl or even just your avatar in a chat room. It's kind of like hey look I'll be the girl for this or for Halloween during the midnight event where the roles are reversed we're kind of fine with it but like you said since it's a long. Maybe people don't like to think of the surgery yeah it bugs them to think of surgery and and I've heard all the arguments before I don't mean to get into the big thing of it. The big thing of it I know that it's weird with with kids or with sports and you know there's always every now and then there's a Rogan episode that's kind of deals with that you know there's this person in. Transports that shouldn't be in the women's category or whatever but those are I feel like those are the little cases. Right yeah I mean I think I think like the world we're talking about here is not so much that it's just that that's the beginning of it I mean yes and that the the irreversibility of it I think for some people is is part of the like. Controversy and the I mean if we in the temporal lag in between like recognizing that you're a woman in a man's body and getting to enjoy body that resonates with your consciousness. Well you know and also that seems to imply like an interesting like you know some kind of interesting karma you know if you like get into the idea that we all plan our incarnation that some people are entering into this dimension.

And that there's there's their their identity is a different gender than their body is like curious to me in the sense of like what a what a what a for a painful incarnation to choose yeah you know to have that sense of like. Like not being comfortable in your in your own body and then also what's I think controversial about is some people when they do transition they realize like oh I didn't I didn't I didn't want to. And then they for and then people are hard on them it's like well they were the most adventurous people ever that they would like be that. In the expressing themselves as they like pictured themselves that they would do the experiment in that regard you know I think that's pretty like like. That's like I have problems deciding where I'm going to eat you know what I mean but like to really commit to that level of like shifting is pretty like wildly courageous. And so you know I think once technology catches up that you're going to see in the same way like in a video game like if you ever played a video game with someone who tries to make their character look like them. Have you yeah it's weird it's like this is a chance for you to not look like yourself and you're literally trying to replicate yourself in the game. There's a lot of comics I remember like at least two or three comics had a joke about how when they start playing we they're they're such a basic dude that the default me was there.

Like it just looks like them when they start just brown hair. That's depressing and funny. That's what I'm saying is like if I'm playing a video game I like I like I immediately want to change form. You know what I mean and like I think that if the technology was available that whatever it is the biotechnology to warp the human form instantaneously then the people who decided to maintain whatever they considered their original form would be looked at. And like it's just seem weird. Yeah like you don't want to be a bear. You don't want to like you don't want to have seven dicks. Yeah.

At least get five at least like you don't want to know what it's like to have like beautiful breasts and like a massive dick and wings. Why would you want to be nothing but dicks. You don't want to just be a big pile of dicks that like rolls around. You don't want to be just one giant sentient burrowing dick. Like you know what I mean like what like you would be really a weird thing to not take advantage of that. The problem is now if you're like you know I want to be a sentient burrowing dick. And you end up getting the surgeries you know you start having like your like parts of your ribs removed you start getting your neck expanded you try to grow your head out and like you know what I mean. If you try to get something like attached to your skull that will help you burrow into dirt you're going to end up on the drudge report right.

Like you're going to be one of those people where like holy fuck why did you do that. And you know what I mean the reason is is because you like had to go through surgery but with quantum technology all I'm saying is the whole whatever we define ourselves as right now that has anything to do with consistency of form. The consistency of the human experience is it's understood and written about. I think it's all going to break down as we like continue to accelerate into McKenna singularity. Oh yeah and not to get to esoteric but it is the DTFH but where our bodies are already doing that like the solid form we're in isn't this thing. It's like the atoms are already dying cells are splitting and regenerating and like seven what is it seven years you're a completely different pile of atoms than you were seven years ago. So it's almost like we're just willing ourselves to maintain this form until we don't and perhaps the shape shifting reptilians or when Ram Dass's face could change if you looked at him right in those beautiful blue eyes of his. Yeah just his face would turn into I mean I'm just reporting this third hand from other people's stories I never experienced that myself but it's real damn it and he.

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You know you gotta turn into Maharajie now it's like no you don't it'll happen but give it a billion in lifetimes. Yeah at least. At least or you know again I mean I think the the right now like okay there was a time not that long ago where people would walk around and they'd see a bird and they think wow look at that bird it can fly but they never thought like humans will be able to fly one day. People really thought it wasn't possible or that people will be able to go faster than a horse or that you know people will be able to go into space. You know that and I think like one of the right now our version of not being able to fly is we don't think we'll ever be able to like travel through time or access other multiverses. And I think that's right around the corner man like that's gonna happen McKenna talked about it I don't think it's just McKenna a lot of people are saying like this is our understanding of time and space is right now like already transforming just by the very act of being able to go into a space station. The possibility that we're going to be able to build colonies on the moon. That's going to produce a completely different human perspective and then the discovery of life on other planets and then the discovery of like that we've been visited by them and then that's followed by some kind of understanding that we don't know how time works at all.

Do you think it's going to play out like that or there's also that theory that we never actually go outward we just go more and more inward and that's why we haven't heard from any other planets. Yeah right I mean that's yeah well I mean I think that whole differentiation between outward and inward right isn't that the hilarious thing is like we think there's an outward and we think there's an inward. You know and that's kept us really solidified in this particular like way of understanding history. And that one you know one of the liberating things that is going to happen I is some clearly time travel is going to happen technologically I've talked about it in the old days I was obsessed with it but like the you know ability for like. My phone does it the new iPhone does it it's so fucking weird you just like it's got wide or whatever that is so you just scan a room and it turns it into a 3D space. You know you talked about this with Tom Rhodes like a million years ago how we're building a time machine using these devices like so we're manifesting it into being and it's what. Like Arthur C Clark said about how we're our goal is not to discover God but to create him. Yeah her or is there.

Or are you. Do you get I've noticed you got in trouble not to bring up controversy or not real trouble but sometimes I'll see your social media and it's like. Depending on the month you'll be getting hate from the left for making some joke during a serious time and now you're getting hate from the right for posting a picture of Joe Biden or something. Oh yeah well see this was like a delightful discovery. And it seems so obvious but you know Natasha Lajero posted a picture of like vote by now he's disgusting or something and then I just put that up because like. I guess I just to me like the dismaying thing is it just shows I've been I must have been a bit of a coward politically or something. When the joke is vote Biden out. It wasn't even a joke I like the elections were coming up.

I just voted for Biden I feel like a real disc I really don't like Trump. I find him to be kind of loathsome and just generally disagreeable a very divisive human. And so I'll go to the exact thing. And I guess they I mean when I was on rogue and I said I was voting for Biden. I guess my assumption was people understood that I'm like I don't like Trump. I was like I don't I don't know. I mean that was a huge assumption. But because I put vote Trump out all of a sudden my Instagram was like a vote Trump out.

OK you said vote Biden out because he's not in. I'm looking at the exact picture right now. It was enough of this filth vote Biden Harris vote him out. And so I got like this crazy amount of like QAnon weirdo hate like real like concern trolling like Duncan not you please you know this kind of stuff. And you know it was when I realized like oh god this is like this is what's in my Instagram. I need to like kind of like get the fleas off the dog. So I just started posting pictures of like Biden getting kids getting vaccinated like no fracking just like real basic not very exciting stuff. I put a picture of Rachel Maddow and a picture of Fauci you know and like the the eruption of like confusion and hate that happened was like excited as a like troll.

It was exciting for me you know because like you know anytime you it's like finding an untapped energy reservoir. You know and so yeah that's that I've been getting a little bit of that but I've been having pretty fun conversations with some of the people who like will engage with me in a discussion. You know like you know man to me like and this is like cereal box wisdom here this is truly completely unremarkable shallow unimportant obvious shit man. But to me what's really amazing about living in the United States of America is that we have such wildly different political ideas and that we're still friends. You know like that's what I like about it that's one of the things I like I like some of my friends are QAnon people and they're they're like really upset right now and scared weirded out. But I love them I always love them you know what I mean like I don't care and it's dismaying to me to think that like sometimes when I call them if they don't answer the phone it might be because I posted a picture of Fauci. You know what I mean it's like give me a fucking break really like. Yeah from either side and I hate using the from either side thing and I always end up being such a fence sitting centrist but I'm not a fence sitting centrist in my in my voting but in the like I'm I don't have it in me to hate Trump people or QAnon people like I'm curious.

I want to know what QAnon is. I know that it's about Trump traveling back in time and saving the world from satanic pedophiles which there's satanic pedophiles for sure but I don't know if they're operating out of that specific pizza restaurant or if the 4chan news is accurate especially because. Have you ever met a satanic pedophile. Have I met one. Yeah. I don't think so. No I haven't. If I had I would have called the cops on him.

I've met a lot. I've met a satanist and a pedophile but not both. Just kidding. I haven't met either. You haven't met a satanist. I'm sure I've met a satanist. I mean you right. I'm not a satanist.

50% of 50% of you know I'm just saying that because you went to like a church of it once. Oh I've been to a lot of different churches. I've been a mosque you know I'm not it but. But don't you get curious like with not necessarily QAnon but I found myself looking at you know Reddit slash R slash conspiracy or R slash conservative to see what the other side of the things is. I'm kind of curious on what the other what the other side has to say. Well sometimes it's boring but.

The to me that hopefully what every single one of us can agree on is like let's figure out what the truth is and because the truth is just truth right. So it's like you know is there really like I've never met anyone who worshipped Malik. I've never met a fucking pedophile. If I had ever met a pedophile I would immediately do everything I could to get them arrested and reported and to stop abusing people. I've met a lot of Satanists and never once have I met a satanic pedophile. I met Satanists who would kill a pedophile but I've never met like a satanic pedophile.

And so you know what I mean like my my like subjective experience of like various religions of the world has been that at the very worst they can be kind of like insular and judgmental and stuff but I've never met anyone. And I feel like truly somewhat of opened up to me by now about like doing human sacrifice or what do you think of like the like Jeffrey Epstein temple just this little stuff like that and I know that's a huge jump to put you know QAnon and Trump and stuff and I've I still haven't even read what the QAnon conspiracy actually is. I keep saying I'm going to actually go look at what it is but I never actually research it

but it wasn't it did you ever go down that rabbit hole look at his island see the temple sacrifices. I believe that there are bad people who are occultists and are doing whatever sacrificing children probably I don't even imagine that's the part that see that's the like if that's where I get offended not because of you but just because it's like man I've interviewed so many different occultists they would never hurt a fucking kid and like I've interviewed like so many people and meanwhile who have like like outsider fringe ideologies and man the one thing they all have in common as far as I can tell is they would do anything to

keep a kid safe but that's but like let's look at it's funny that I'm having to I'm devil's advocating the side of the argument when normally it would be you you're a kind of like at this point like I guess I'm the devil's advocate because I'm defending occult which is Satanist and people like let's take let's take Muslims though like you'll say like well I've spoken to hundreds of Muslims and not one of them would be head someone but then in Paris like you have the ISIS people beheading so it's like a big blanket of people where you might use the word Muslim but it refers to two completely different people with completely different beliefs and ideologies so I guess occultist could be a very broad term.

You look at the Bible and you see legitimate invitations to do violence to kids in a variety of ways for a variety of reasons and for whatever reason no nobody talks about that. You look at the Catholic Church and the fucking Boy Scouts you know what I mean? You look at like all these huge organizations that have been you know some of the Boy Scouts is bankrupt now but you look at like the Catholic Church is really they're completely bankrupt from sexual abuse, sexual abuse, lawsuits. Yeah man and the Catholic Church is like has notoriously protected priests who have abused kids who need to be in fucking jail and so to me it's like where we find a place where

we all agree here regarding the QAnon like satanic cobble of pedophile things is we all totally don't like people who hurt kids in any way especially that way right that's something we all agree on universally. The problem is like when you get people who like love kids not like a pedophile but love kids enough to like do anything they can to keep their childhood safe and give them a chance to grow up without all the crazy shit that happens to people who've experienced sexual abuse right then and that gets exploited by people so that that love of kids gets exploited and people start filling your head with like stuff that may not be accurate.

What is accurate there is sex trafficking. What is accurate there is most certainly fucking pedophiles and what is accurate is like there's people out there who don't seem to have any care for anybody other than themselves and like just want to gratify their senses in any fucking way they can where we need to be accurate if you ask me is finding out who those people really are and what religion do they really follow because as far as I can tell it's not fucking satanism you know what I mean. For every like weird story of some satanic fucking cult that does some awful shit there's there's literal stacks of court documents and transcripts and authentic proof that the Catholic

Church has been hurting kids for centuries. You know what I mean like but yeah why are we dealing with that. Because that's old news we got over that like in 2010. Well yeah I mean exactly we just forgot about it. Q will be old in five years or something. Someone was saying like how QAnon is very successful because most of the time it doesn't predict accurately and the way our psychology works is that you get more addictive if the payoff is less frequent. Like if it paid off every time it's not that addictive but if it pays off every five times

every eight times every 16 times then it's like oh I got to keep pulling the lover so I think they mix in accurate predictions and most of them are not accurate and do you still look at conspiracy subreddits or anything. Yeah I do I mean I've gotten a bit boring right. Well that's a problem it got subverted I mean and that that's to me like this the sign that they must have been doing something right because to me like the whole QAnon thing the radical conspiracy status thing it's like an indication of just infiltration and corruption it's like you know we all anybody with half a fucking brain knows that like there's a lot of stuff

that goes on behind the scenes that you're never going to know about you know stuff that isn't even that remarkable just go on WikiLeaks and look at like I don't know the employee manuals they have there it's shit you would never know when you went to a Chili's it's not that interesting but it's still you know from a perspective like that's hidden data like you know the server routine at a Chili's or whatever like we already know like stuff happens behind the scenes and that's real and we also know that if as above so below if it happens at a Chili's it sure as fucks happening at the Pentagon I mean there's secrets and we know that there's mysteries and we know that and the human desire to like understand

those mysteries is the call to God if you ask me it's like we all have a sense that there's not an elephant in the room there's a god in the room we can't quite see or grok and so one of the reduced versions of that divine like desire to encounter the cosmic manifests as people who are interested in uncovering conspiracies and so for me it's a real sad thing to see like a conservative regime hijack that very noble desire and turn it into a like pro-Trump propaganda that's the part that's dismaying to me because it's like you know you're you're taking it's it's it's no different than what happens when like soldiers get sent into shit wars it's like the thing they rail against Obama and Biden about is

happening to them which is that they're very like legitimate sense that there is something wildly powerfully incredibly alive just behind the scenes is being turned into bootlicking and and and their like desire to like keep kids safe is being directed towards a fucking nonic as far as I can tell and again anecdotal evidence I know it's not like as far as I could tell like you're like if you really you're going to pizza places when it's like man there are a lot of funds out there that you could donate to that raise money to help people who are right now involved in lawsuits with the Catholic Church because they were molested they're compromised Donnie T is the only guy with the answer God man it's so frustrating

it's like single-handedly taking them all down and again I'm not it's not the entirety of the Catholic Church I'm just saying and it's not just the Catholic Church it's the fucking Boy Scouts it's like I think they're they're like it's the pages in DC it's you know what I mean it's like it happens where the Olympic doctor guy yeah it happens it happens everywhere right and so it's like goddamn man or y'all it's like people it seems like these people like you're getting like the laser pointer like what you do with a cat you know what I mean they're getting laser pointed to chase after this like fucking mirage of some Babylonian death God do people send you evidence trying to persuade you or is it all just come on man I thought

you'd you'd be hip to this but without actually sending you evidence oh no I get I get evidence and I get drops every day I well not every day but I certainly have poured over like a lot of the Maria Sabina stuff the Podesta emails like all that stuff where fishy but like it kind of stops after a while like I got into it not cue but the pizza gate stuff I remember reading it in 2016 but then it kind of just stops and there's no there's no more juice to it after a certain level well I mean you know I'm like I'm comfortable like not knowing I think the like the spirit eating stuff and the occult stuff the images I saw of it were like really quite disturbing and it you know I'm a new dad so it's like I'm like my like protection mechanism is like

really like like I would I would do anything to keep my kids safe so when I see some like art exhibit that appears to show an effigy of a little kid and blood everywhere it just turns my stomach man I don't like it but that being said there's a lot of art that turns my fucking stomach you know what I mean like I don't know that's like that's somebody doing performance art and she's like a lot of her performance art that isn't in the occult is disturbing I'm not trying to do apologetics again man any any illuminate like anytime the light shines into the dark corners and kids are kept safe or people are kept safe from being exploited by rich people or priests or whatever that's a good fucking thing to happen you know and I you know if any good thing has

come from the Q and on shit at the very least hopefully hopefully it's making people like reconsider any decision that they were making to like do anything that were hurt a fucking kid I don't to me though it's like when I look at that stuff I just think I don't have enough data here the Epstein thing is real though that's real you know what Tim Dillon says about conspiracies is where we think that it's going to be like a a six season arc with a nice finale and like build up and denouement and like all that but it's it's a soap opera it just keeps going the characters change but there's no ending it's just another twist and another twist and you never actually know because you're saying like oh I don't know if I'll ever know but there is no knowing in this

game it's just you keep that yeah people have been looking at this for years and now it just has a different name well it's yeah I mean it goes there was a great article someone wrote connecting the Q and on occultism to Nazi occultism because the Nazis were really into magic and the occult and so that's another thing that's I've found really dismaying about Q and on is like you know they're using like legitimate like sigils chaos magic stuff and but they're connecting it to the state which is the same thing the Nazis did and so to me like that whole thing and then the other thing that bothers me about it is there's a general sense among them that they've like that they're they're like punk rock unique original when it's like no you're just a group of people

that really loves the president and you know that's never been that cool you know what I mean that's always embarrassing and the difference in this case that makes it kind of indefensible to me is like in the past when you know stuffy people have been overcome with their love for the president to the point that if you say something shitty about them they shush you that's been like considered like just normal like conservative a conservative way to be so this part that sucks is like you're no different than when I was a kid sitting at the dinner table with my dad and my aunt and I decided to edge lord right and say some shitty thing about whoever the president was at the time just because I wanted Reagan just because I wanted to see my dad's face turn red you know

what I mean and my dad is like never say that again you know what I mean there's no difference between QAnon people who are telling you to shut up for making fun of the most as far as I'm concerned the most embarrassing president and like any other conservative person who's tried to silence a person who just wants to have a little bit of fun making fun of like a powerful person which is literally one of the like main steam valves in society is you take the fucking you know you send up leaders you have to because otherwise they get too puffed up. It is punk rockin' that like there I mean it was like this with Bush but not so much but there really has been a very everyone is trying to bring him to bring Trump down but for good reason like

the evidence is all there why they would be attacking him on all these different angles but just the fact that it's everywhere every social media account is anti-trump every show everything so in just oh yeah that they feel punk rock yeah right but still you're just a statist you know it's like when when uh when the and here's the other thing that sucks about it man is it's like these fucks they like to insinuate that like I haven't it's only Trump I've ever like said and it's look I know it's like pure hackery to make fun of a president it's not like some unique comedic angle but it's just as a form of like self-care you know what I mean making fun of like the how embarrassing the American president in general is just makes you

feel better you know it's punching up and it's like the the to me what's the the the thing that's really dismaying about it is it's like of all the years that I've said anything publicly about any president made fun of Obama I think I called him a drone lord I can't remember what I said about Hillary Clinton I'm sure it was something shitty there hasn't been a political thing it's just like you're the president so like God Jesus you're gonna you're embarrassing and a lot of times you're murderous you know and so the what really sucks to me is all those times I never got shut the fuck up the implication that I was gonna be hurt they were gonna do something to me you know what I mean I've never had the sense of like being silenced yeah like I have from them that's happening during his supposed loss like I don't know how this is going to actually play out

it seems like Trump is going to lose this one but don't know but I don't know I guess there's like a big group of people are afraid they're gonna like tattoo they them on your forehead or something if Trump loses like they have this whole world been built in their head that because I don't know if you watch the the Trump what are they called the rallies or anything but it's funny how they're painting the other side is oh it's going to be a socialist dystopia but then the actual left people are like oh no they're not far left enough they're these are like center yeah center left center right people but since they they can't he can't say like Kamala is a cop because then the crowd will just be like who cop and they can't be like he's it's like just get it right you know what I mean like if

you're gonna like rail against the state or whatever or the deep state or whatever just get it right that's all you know like like yeah are you gonna fucking call Joe Biden a fucking socialist like really if they wanted a socialist they would have put Bernie Sanders in there they didn't let Bernie Sanders an actual socialist happen because all the democratic donors don't want to get fucking taxed at that level and so they put this centrist Biden in there so this like there's a lot of things you could accuse those people of being but socialist that's yeah and the left is already good enough at making fun of Biden even people left center no one's excited about Biden this was a purely get Trump out vote and you can see that I mean I don't know if it's it's either rigged by the deep state in which there's nothing

you can do about it or Trump lost in which case there's nothing you can do about it so either way people should just be fine with it I think there is something you can do about it the fact that Republicans took a lot of wins in the Senate and the House yet didn't win the presidency really speaks to how people might have retained their republicanness but just been like I'm really sick of this guy he's gotta yeah get out yeah well I mean I don't I don't that's the other thing about it that's so bizarre to me is like people don't seem to understand that like being the president isn't just legislating you know it's like there's a lot it's your you there it's a persona thing and it's like you're influencing people to act a certain way and you're shaping people and you

know the but to get back to what you said there's nothing we can do about it there's definitely something we can do about it and what that is is just have these kinds of conversations you know and have them with people who do where it isn't an echo chamber and have them with everybody and not be you know not like we like you you can literally troll to your heart's content stir up little ants nests of like people who love Trump or love Biden or whatever the fuck you want to do but like you don't like it's it's what Neem Karoli Baba said kick somebody out of your house but don't kick them out of your heart and it's like that to me is like the main thing we can do like if we if you've already voted if you've already publicly made people aware of where your political leanings

are and you've done that with an intention of not being sanctimonious but because you want to shape the political landscape of your country if you've already done all that then all that's left to do is to try to connect with as many people as you can if you ask me if people who don't agree with you people you know that doesn't mean you can't get in a nice argument with them it doesn't mean you can't you know what i mean it doesn't mean you have to act like all fucking sweet with them online but it's like these people just like you want to be happy just like you and want food in their stomachs just like you they want a roof over their head just like you they want to feel important just like you they you know what i mean all these things that were all the same fucking person here

man and it's like you want to talk about the real evil cobble of people hurting fucking kids it's anybody who is trying to make us forget that and and and that's the real problem it's like i don't give a fuck what your politics are in general you know what i mean i don't care at all i don't even want to talk about it with you most of pro life pro segregation pro police yeah the racist thing is going to throw me off man you know what i mean but you want to be pro life fine you want to be pro cops fine you want to be pro the banks fine you want to be a communist fine you want to be like whatever the fuck it is that you are fine you know i don't care about any of that at all the only thing that like i'm not going to be able to connect with someone on is

like where it's like they're racist or they're like you know what i mean there's like a they're they're fascist or they're like wanting to like create some kind of awful ethno state or some shit you know what i mean exclusionary you know i but even then it's like god damn it man we have to have like the aspiration with each other that like we can find a way or that we can all really connect and still maintain our individuality without merging into some boring right wing or left wing pod of like you know people echoing each other and i don't know how to do it a lot of times it's rare huh it's like yeah i i feel like when obama was first elected there was some of that i feel like after 9 11 there was some of that i feel like there was some unity early quarantine

and there was some unity right like the first two days of george floyd's death and then afterwards it split hard politically yep yeah and a lot of that was manipulated yeah and for one day it was everyone was agreeing i mean i think looking at it from a day to day perspective instead of some grand historic perspective like your brain probably wants you to do you know just like when you wake up in the morning praying to like not to not for me it's just like please god i don't want to let can i not be as much of an asshole to say you know what i mean like some basic simple thing like that like let you know i want to that's how but that's how low the bar is that's i set that yes i set the bar that low for myself because if i get up in the morning like let me be a

messenger of peace in the world or any of that schmalti bullshit it just doesn't feel real but for me it's like i want to be a little less of a selfish asshole today you know what i mean like that i want to be able to forgive people and forgive myself and not be a dick as much that but also i like to troll it's like i'm sorry i like to put like pictures of left leftist leaders on my instagram just because it's astounding to see the the conversation that happens but also i feel a little like at the very least it's like well at least they're talking to each other in there you know what i mean at least there's a back and forth happening you know at least there's some kind of communication happening because it's when we're gonna have a civil war it

should at least be on there exactly to keep it inside the phone diffuse the energy there you know what i mean and also in the conversations when i'm looking at them it sucks when people are like you know and i'm i'm guilty of everything that i'm accusing people of in general you know what i mean i'm i'm guilty of being judgmental i'm guilty of being divisive i'm guilty of being a sanctimonious i'm guilty of being uh high rhodi i'm guilty i'm i i'm completely guilty of these qualities and i recognize that being pretentious or whatever being lowbrow also but like you know when i see people in a conversation and right away the other person is saying like you go fuck yourself man that sucks but when i'm seeing people playfully interact with each other on there

even if there's an edge to it it's still like cool you're talking you know like because at the end of the day i hey i can't believe i just said at the end of the day because like that's who we are you know what i mean we're we're americans we're more complex than the state wants us to believe we're more nuanced than the state wants to believe you can be a fucking drooling leftist fucking ecoterrorist and i guarantee you have more in common with some right-wing fucking pro-cop anti-drug person than you think you know and it's like finding that place is our job as people living in a country together and not letting the fucking narrative be dictated by rachel madow or by rush limbaugh you know what i mean it's like not up to them to tell us who we

are and tell us what's right and what's wrong it's not up to them and it's if we are depending on them to let us know what's happening that's our fault yeah it is so i think i think this happens every now and then like there's not there's no rushing the like oh why can't we just be united again it's we just have to kind of ride it out well stop waiting for people to unite us that's the thing it's like the unification is it gonna happen from the state so stop hoping that at some point we're gonna get the leader everything we're not gonna get the fucking king arthur it's not happening we're gonna get like corporatist oligarch style people probably for a little bit now but on the local i'm talking

the hyper local micro level which is you your family as jack cornfield says the part of the guard you could touch you know what i mean that's where you could do the work and that's where you can and i don't it's just like the the concept of the joining of heaven and earth or you know in psychedelic culture they call it integration but the like the idea is that you or in burning man it's like you want to be a participant you know and part of being that participant means as much as as much as you can authentically do it try to like connect with people you know it doesn't you're not going to get a disney movie style thing and it's not like you're going to come across a a pro-life bible thumping homophobe and convert them any more than they're going to convert

you but you sure as fucking find things you can connect on that aren't political and have a nice chat with them without ever knowing that and that that's i think the that's the that's part of what we could do that's part of how you could break out of your comatose paralyzed state and also don't try to change them drop the agenda you know what i mean that's the other thing nobody wants to be changed i don't want to be turned into a fucking q anon pro chump person i know my q anon listeners if i have any left after this fucking rant that i know you don't want me to like convert you into like a pro biden kamala harris sycophant but and but i know it's kamala kamala god damn it even that's political you fucking oh my god transphobe fuck the point is man i like we still

can have fun together like we still can like i don't know how many games of hearthstone i've played with people i don't know what their political agenda is but i've definitely enjoyed playing cards with them you know it's like that sometimes it sounds so basic and dumb and and like i know it's not anything revolutionary but jesus christ y'all like just figure we can figure this out don't listen we don't need to like the whole civil war shit that's being shoved down our throats forget all that you know like we're it's just this pandemic has got people all edgy and shit yeah that's that's the real tricky variable because telling people to calm down when this unprecedented uncertain time where yeah some i mean the social unrest was coming anyway but

the pandemic is not helping the social unrest man yeah i you know one of my like and this is you can't get these experiences anymore but one of my like one moment i think about a lot man i was hanging out at this bar downtown with this mongol you know the outlaw biker dude you know their outlaw bikers are dangerous and i i'd gotten lucky enough to like be hanging out with one of them and i remember he like we're after a little bit we were talking i'm realizing like if i hang out with this guy too much longer something terrible's gonna happen you know what i mean but i was really enjoying his company and somewhere in that like conversation he looked at me he's like i like you and i was like i like you man but we both knew but we're very different beings you know what i mean

like his idea of what's right my idea of what's right and probably a lot of places is not gonna meet yeah you're gonna start talking about the jews and another like two more topics or something i don't know i don't think i don't know what the mongol's like i don't think hopefully they're anti-semitic and and like again man that is where the tricky thing is is like we can't we can't be enablist you know and like that that's the thing like there does have you can it's easy to do spiritual bypass and can and like think that oh i'm just connecting with people when really what you're doing is getting seduced by a nazi you know what i mean like there is there there are exceptions to this but how often do you truly find yourself when you're going to get your coffee

when you have made the trip to the grocery store when you have decided to risk getting sick to go to a fucking outdoor cafe depending on where you live when you do find yourself how often do you legitimately find yourself confronted by that level of person in general you're gonna run into an old person who probably whose body is hurting who's like you know what i mean nervous to be outside you know what i mean that's the reality of it and you could say hi and that's it no big deal simple is that you know that's who we really are that's what we really are but we're being told like there's go ahead sorry i've ran it too much in this podcast i think about that with biz wait wait i couldn't hear that last sentence you just chopped i said i've ran it too much i've been

very rude go ahead you were saying i think about that with business oh no no you're good you just cut off but i said i was thinking about how people do business together who otherwise would not do business together like you might have some really racist i hate calling everyone racist that's my problem with the the hyper wokeness is that going too far the other direction than everyone becomes racist but let's take for example a real racist on ebay purchasing something from a black man but they didn't know that they're buying it from a black man they're just buying it from someone on ebay so then you have these people doing business together that otherwise would have probably never done business together yeah i mean you know like yeah the like i think it must be really

fucking painful to be like a hard-boiled racist i mean that's a paranoid world to live in you know like and i you know i've had macawed brooks on and his identification of racism is a mental illness i think it's pretty good it's like clearly not real you know what i mean like you're clearly like another like if i'm afraid of like mailboxes you know and like we hang out one day and you realize like i'm legitimately angry and terrified of mailboxes you're gonna think man dunking you you're sick you know what i mean like it and i think racism is a kind of mental illness that a lot of people are afflicted with some like almost everybody really isn't not just tribalism like anything else but a more obvious historical mapped out kind of tribalism

it's because i know that if we were all the same color i know that we would still hate each other culturally or for some other reason yeah we would find some other like thing but you know like you're looking at like people who are profoundly terrified of complexed people and have an idea about them that's completely wrong you know like that the way they think they are is 100 based on their complete lack of interaction with them and like that's the that's the scene and like the what for a lot of those people they live their life and like real fear and trembling and like i imagine that like if there was some weight and like do the neural link download maybe like you know give them the experience of what it's like to be a black

teenager driving through the same place they drive through every day you know what i mean traveling while black the vr game yeah just exactly that you still play vr not as no i'm like on the fence about that new oculus i'm thinking about getting it i'm like kind of like confused about whether i should get a place the new playstation or the new oculus i'm not gonna let myself get both so i'm sort of like torn about that but uh do you vr yeah i was just thinking about how like years ago you i think it was when you first got the vibe and you were just raving about it and like how like have you tried vr porn it's insane and then still a week a week later it's kind of like oh right the vr thing it's weird how quickly you acclimate to this thing that

is the future it's a holodeck and then for some reason the magic goes away after a week where it doesn't suck but you know you're not called to it i've had a lot of great vr sex experiences man it really is a great sex tool man i think it like it's sad that like these companies can't really like advertise that part of it but yeah especially for everybody out there oh i don't think it needs the advertising people just know on it are gonna go get it yeah like that yeah and people deserve to fuck right now you know like i i feel bad for a lot of my single friends out there because i imagine it's like difficult to meet people right now like how is that even working out i think it's like i've been catching wind of this new terror in the land which is just like kissing people

you know oh that's right yeah that's the new age that's kissing yeah people are really scared i think a lot of people aren't fucking anal is like the only safe thing now a yeah anal i double anal is safer than kissing double anal cures covet are you still polyamorous and if so what is that what does that happen we are not polyamorous while erin's pregnant it's too complicated oh right right second one yeah like you can't it's like it's too like it's too much energy to spend yeah i know some people pull it off i didn't know she was pregnant again i thought that photo you posted was an old one no she's pregnant i should have just assumed it was current but yeah right around the corner thank you yeah but it's like you can't like it's not number one is where

are you polyamorous during the pandemic at all or it never happened no we like we are our last girlfriend it's been a while man we um yeah when we just like realize like it will i mean erin is excited about it happening again i think more than my old ass but like the you just it's hard to it's hard to do you can't do it when like someone's pregnant it's like just not fair it's not fair it's like you know what i mean like it's it's right now it's life is not it's not i just i can't imagine pulling it off like we know we're going to bet it not i can't imagine pulling it off under ideal conditions either so that's interesting that's why well i feel like i'm always asking you polyamory questions because you want to try it

no i don't think i have the energy i mean it's tricky you can the problem with it is you it is delicate man like you can really like it's not it's like the power balance is really like can can wildly like it's it's you have two people and then a third person you know and that third person finds themselves in this sort of you know if they like it it's a hard it's like weird enough to be seduced by one person you know but if two people are being seductive with you you know it can be like a lot i think you know shon and cast remember shon and cast right yeah up with them i i love their podcast that's very yeah yeah very ape so shon and cast were a thrupple with mara and then mara left the thrupple and then shon and cast are like it's weird

going through a breakup and then still being in a relationship right they were still together but then the third person left yeah like yeah i'm like it is it's really tricky and like if you're like you know if you it's it's all about communication and like i'm not the best communicator and so like there's uh it's just very tricky like we're learning like we actually were at one point going to like a um marriage therapist a counselor highly recommend that for people in long-term relationships and like she was helping us figure out how to like ethically do it you know like you have to have in everyone's different but like certain rules like maybe like a group text you know don't individually text because like like everything needs to be like out in the open or

all this stuff can start growing in the in the shadows and that's what you don't want because what you want is like union and like the excitement of it and the romance of it it's very romantic it's very exciting but what you don't want is for someone to get hurt you know you don't want someone's feelings to get hurt you don't want to feel bad and like you don't you don't want to feel bad you know i don't want Aaron to feel bad now we have kids you know so it's like there's a like like they're just it's a real delicate thing man it's like oh yeah certainly my idea of what it is when i was a kid imagining wow a threesome would be incredible versus what it actually is you know what i mean is like two very very different things you know it's unfortunately

it's not though i've heard people like it you know get lucky and sometimes just find a person who just wants to fuck you know in general like it can get really like heavy and deep and like i don't know you know what i mean it's like mostly not the sex probably right mostly it's group texts and communication and rules and boundaries and i mean yeah mostly it isn't the sex anyway you know what i mean like if you think about dating and even though like at first you're always fucking or whatever and like if you really like you know that's one of the signs of learning how to have sex is learning weight this isn't just the sex this is the dinner this is the you know cool the text or sending a song to someone or the you know what i mean or relaxing or trusting

opening up and then the sex is something that happens but what's really fun about probably like having a like sharing a girlfriend which is what we've done so far is like it's really like romantic and like i like watching erin like get crush on somebody you know like it's cool to like watch like watch her get excited when she gets a text from someone you know i don't it's like it's cool you know and i like that but that's the good side of it but yeah the sex thing is like it's awesome it's unique it's weird i never quite how is it weird just because you're it's like weird to have more than one person in the room yeah yeah and it's hot it's hot like it's sexy but it's like also weird like you but you know any any horny guy

is like had ideas in their head about what it would be like and when you're actually there you realize like fuck i just have one i only have one body yeah and one dick i only have one dick i only have one body i only have one thing and it's interesting to like feel to people and to feel like it's like it's weird it's like i don't know how to put it man i sound like a complete dork but it's tough to wrap your mind no i bet people are perking up right now i i feel like when people hear the stuff they're like when you talk about this or when you talk about psychedelics or something they're probably like oh especially d t f h or such as myself oh cool i didn't know isn't that crazy i'm a d t i'm a d t f h listener and i'm on it right now honored by it's like an it's an infinity

mirror i love where you're looking at yourself looking at yourself looking at yourself this is my eye for me this is why this is my i love this kind of podcast where we're just talking like it's the best it's like the way that we've like shifted topics i love it like no sense of connectivity you know anything just jump no completing thoughts i love it all random what podcasting is to me it's like the it's like so fun i i don't know about the listeners i mean but i hope they like it and yeah and you've got children not just real physical children but you've got podcast children which i consider myself one of like michael philip at third eye drops collin frangicetto at cosmic nod like so many people have podcasts that are like on the lineage tree of of d t f h

yeah that's exciting i mean you know with the polyamory thing in general i feel like we got really excited about it when we didn't understand it and we talked about it a lot and then maybe hopefully didn't confuse too many people about it you know but we just learned about it more i still don't know that much about it the people i know who has successfully navigated those waters have taught me a lot like they've given me like insight into ways to like ethically do it but you know most of our experience with it is unfortunately been rather bumbling and like you know kind of clumsy and i like you know what i mean there it hasn't been as like um i don't know it like what's been clumsy about it has there been any juicy slip-ups like easily avoidable mistakes that other people

could avoid yeah for sure it's like the biggest slip-up is you need to come up with some kind of like i don't want to say rules because it sounds embarrassing boundaries boundaries you need to come up with boundaries and and and where it flies in the face of most like organic relationships is you need to set those boundaries up right away so like the people that you're with you know have have does they deserve to know what's going on you know what i mean and it's like this is why a slow boil is good because like my my regret in it has just been like i think like there have been times where maybe people felt like we were ghosting them when really what was happening is erin and i were going through our own shit you know what i mean and trying to figure

our own shit out and like you know conversing with someone that was like we were like intimate with was was causing more turbulence right as we were like working our own interpersonal shit out and like you know what i mean and so in that people can start being like hey what about me you know and then in that you and unicorns should expect that shouldn't they know a lot of they shouldn't have rights but they should like expect to be ghosted at points well i mean no i think ideally no like like if you do it right up front then they understand like listen this isn't a probably isn't this isn't a permanent situation this is going to be fun and romantic and and exciting but it isn't permanent and and but and also like i don't know i mean that's the problem is like

it's just tricky you know and and that's the that's the reality with any kind of dating isn't it is like you know no matter what it's a human being that you're like with and uh you know they they deserve compassion and love and a sense of like being wanted and you know what i mean and like it's you know this is the problem is like once sex gets involved and once all that other stuff gets involved it can get quite confusing you know and and and yeah and like people you can accidentally like you know it creates a lot of karma you know we're talking about the thing that makes life happen you know so it's like there's a lot of energy there and and and you know i think any kind of amory is wonderful it's just uh figuring out ways to navigate those waters

compassionately in the midst of going nuts with all the like sex stuff you know what i mean it's like it's it's really like it's a it's a lot of us haven't been taught how to do that you know it's not something taught in schools god knows you know it's not so people wing it right and like you know in there you there's just a lot of room i think to like confuse people at the very least including yourself you know and that's all but i highly recommend it for people who are you remember sex ed up for it absolutely i do yeah i remember being excited about it and then being completely bored hello did i just lose you that's a perfect place to end the podcast are you there

oh let's let's do another one sometime let's do yours next week are you up for can i do yours next week can i put you on the calendar now let's do it right now hang on that was a blast man thank you very much thanks for having me yeah we touched on everything everything okay thank you very much i really appreciate your time man totally harry christina a big thank you to ramina's ear for appearing on the dtfh yet again i love talking with that guy and you will love his podcast rainbow brain skull all the links you need to find them are going to be at dugitrussell.com a howling thank you to all of my sponsors for supporting the dtfh and making it possible folks support the sponsors they support me your noble host but

most importantly support yourself take a long hot bath slurp back some cbd get a massage enjoy some vr porn or whatever it is that gets you off but most importantly love yourself and thank you for listening to the dtfh i'll see you next week until then harry christina relax relax don't think about the past don't think about the future relax relax relax don't relax give that a relax relax don't think about the lax future relax relax relax relaxed relax be relaxed relax be relaxed relax relax relax relax relax relax relax relax relax relax relaxed relax relaxed relax relax relax relax relax relax relax relax relax relax relax relax relax relax relax relax relax

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