Duncan Trussell Family Hour - 425: David Sauvage

Episode Date: February 27, 2021

David Sauvage, a true empath and authentic healer, joins the DTFH! Check out David's book: Healing Heals the Healer Too, and you can read more about David's Empath Popup here. If you want more info on Dave check out his site, Empath.NYC, and follow him on Instagram and Clubhouse (@empath)! Original music by Aaron Michael Goldberg. This episode is brought to you by: BetterHelp - Visit betterhealth.com/duncan to find a great counselor and get 10% off of your first month of counseling! BLUECHEW - Use offer code: DUNCAN at checkout and get your first shipment FREE with just $5 shipping. Mint Mobile - Visit MintMobile.com/Duncan and get premium wireless service for just $15 a month!

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We're not even gonna talk about this stupid alien invasion. Am I upset that via some quantum entanglement teleportation beam, the Eiffel Tower was transformed into a bubbling pile of custard? Yes. But that's all you're gonna hear about it on this podcast. Because let's face it, even if you do join Space Force, there's really not much we're gonna do

against the legions of ships that are using a very advanced quantum technology to liquefy just about anything that they want. And the odds are that by the time you listen to this, you're also gonna be custard. Therefore, I think it's a good time to turn inward and start thinking about what's truly important in the world, which is why I have with us today a true empath.

David Sauvage is here with us, and he's an authentic healer and an empath. It was really wonderful getting to chat with him because people like him, I don't know how it works. We talk about it a little bit. They can generate some kind of field that seems to transcend distance. And you might even experience that field as well.

I hope so, because it definitely made my week. We're gonna dive right into the bubble of the healing empathic radiance that David generates. But first, this. A big thank you to BetterHelp for sponsoring this episode of the DTFH. Is there something interfering with your happiness that's preventing you from achieving your goals, like an overwhelming sense of dread

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This podcast is sponsored by BetterHelp and the Duncan Trussell Family Hour. Listeners get 10% off their first month at betterhelp.com forward slash Duncan. Try them out. And we're back! Look, I know I said we weren't going to talk about the alien invasion. I wasn't going to bring up their insane time displacement

blaster that freezes you in time forever or their hypnotic eyes that make your brain bleed from looking at them. But let's face it, we're being invaded by aliens and the odds are that time itself is going to be devoured by one of those fucked up sky worms they ride around on to eat time. The point is, I love y'all and I'm really grateful to you for listening to this podcast for all this time

and it's really a beautiful thing that even as we're being invaded by aliens you've chosen this as probably one of the last podcasts you're ever going to listen to before you get turned into a bloody, pulpy pile of bubbling meat husk. But I just want to say that should we make it through this thing and somehow, I don't even see how it's possible 80% of the world leaders have all been driven mad or have jumped into the vortex of doom

the aliens opened up in France. So yeah, I don't see any way that we're really going to get out of this but if we do make it out I'd like to invite you to join my Patreon over at patreon.com. I know what you're thinking really any second my fucking body could get irradiated or ripped apart by those bullet larvae things

that they shoot out of their ass. Yeah, I know and I know you're probably thinking well get on with the fucking podcast with the empath how about that instead of showing your subscription paywall thing how about let me hear the healer here so I have a few blissful moments of joy before I get ripped into shreds by those steel tigers

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we do a Friday family gathering we're going to start our book club again should somehow by some impossible miracle not only do we make it out of this invasion but somehow the earth is rebuilt and the internet still exists which I can't imagine it will you know if you could see right now

if you could see my legs are doing that thing from the time waves they shoot out their ships and have withered and now look like the legs are probably a hundred year old my toes have curled up backwards my toenails are growing into my foot it's very painful but perhaps you know this is actually

this isn't going to continue maybe there is a chance and I really hope you'll subscribe over again that's at patreon.com whether you want to believe it or not healing exists in ways that you probably wouldn't imagine it existed if you're like I was a few years ago

just pretty much thought anything that sounded even remotely weird was more than likely bullshit I've been proven wrong many times thank God in that regard and so I can't really claim to be a skeptic or a cynic at least as much as I was before but I met David in New York some time ago and was really blown away just by his energy

he's a fascinating person I'd already heard about him he's a real empath he can truly tune in to other people's energy fields and from doing that he really can he really heals people what do you want I don't know how does that work I don't know

I'm not Neil deGrasse Tyson I don't care how it works to be honest like when I'm drinking a margarita I'm not asking like how does this alcohol making me feel so good I just like the way it feels similarly when I encounter somebody like David Savage I just enjoy it now

and I think you will too it's actually an experiment I'd like to hear from y'all after listening to this episode did you experience anything did you get sort of I don't know like upshifted or did you feel like the energy he was putting out I'd love to know

and I'll take all responses even if you're like you fucking you're like 17 toks over the line man and you would be right I'm medically 17 toks over the line if you like David you can go to his website www.empath.nyc

you can follow him on Instagram at empathnyc you can follow him on clubhouse at empath we're going to do an event next week and he's got a wonderful book Healing heals the healer too that's on Amazon and I'll have a link to an article

about his empath pop up on medium.com now everybody please welcome to the DTFH David Savage Welcome, welcome to you that you are with us shaken, no need to be blue Welcome to you It's the Duncan Charles issue

David, welcome to the DTFH thank you so much for coming on today I'm so excited to be here Thank you Okay, I just want to start off with more of a brief story forgive me for being rude than a question

just because what you do is so fascinating to me not just because the implications of the possibility of the human humanity and human consciousness but because once, years and years and years ago I was on a healthy dose of mushrooms when I was a young lad in Asheville, North Carolina and I was over at some friend's house a friend's house and they had this beautiful kitten

and I was petting this kitten this has never happened to me before never happened to me since but all of a sudden, I felt what it was like to be the kitten and it wasn't like, you know, it wasn't a conceptual thing of like, I bet it feels great to have a person touching you and it was scary because I felt the consciousness

I was like, I just put my consciousness into the kitten and I was wondering, as an empath, is that what it's like when you tune in to somebody, is it a sense of just becoming them for lack of a better word? Yes, you got it exactly that is the most expanded form of empathy is where you just become the other and as you discovered, the other doesn't have to just be a person

though I tend to work with people but the other can just as easily be an animal or another kind of being when was the first time that you experienced this? Probably around the same time you experienced it when we were in the womb or just out and we were completely unseparated from our mothers

Wow, and do you remember that? No Okay, so, but theoretically you're just saying like the experience of being a baby is just tuning in oh, that is so interesting so that's what it's like just to be a fresh human Yeah, I think so

Wow And I think children, the younger a child is the less developed their sense of self is the less those boundaries mean anything So you can imagine being one year old, let's say imagine you have a twin, you're one year old and you have a twin and now the twin is freaking out about something would you know on any level that you're not freaking out

or would you not be fully embodied in the freak out of your one year old twin? Oh, wow, yeah, wow Yeah, you know, when my first son was just, I think he was right around one he saw me, I can't remember what happened it wasn't even that big a deal but I cut myself or I was working on something, I cut myself and he'd never seen me get hurt

and his reaction was to hold his hand where I had hurt myself and to start crying holding his hand Whoa, that's wild, so this thing that you have perfected you're saying this is a natural phenomena, this is just something we do Absolutely, and what you just described with the cut is called mirrored touch synesthesia where you have a physiological experience of somebody else's physiological experience

and it is extremely common in fact horror movies rely on it so when you watch something horrible happen to somebody on a screen don't you feel it on some level? Yeah, yeah, sure especially if it's like well done to me that's a true horror movie that is the effect weirdly that we want

but this, but there is a difference between what you are capable of doing and what most people are currently capable of doing we're not all going around experiencing other people as though they were us but you are, or you can so what happened? and you know outside of the theoretical

this is what it's like when you're a baby can you talk a little bit about when this started manifesting in your life? Yeah, definitely and I agree with you that the way I play with being an empath is extraordinary not in the egoic sense of I'm extraordinary but in the sense literally it is extraordinary I go further than most people do

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we all could play something if we practiced it and some of us are going to be more naturally gifted than others so I'm probably on the I'm definitely on the more gifted side of empathy but it's more universal than it's given credit for so it came up for me about seven or eight years ago

when I asked myself for the first time in a real way why am I so depressed that's that was the that's my origin story I was heavy and thick

and my energy was low and I thought that the reason I was depressed if you would ask me David why are you depressed and if I had felt safe enough to tell you I would have told you that I was depressed because my career as a director was floundering directing documentaries and commercials

and I wasn't getting the jobs I wanted and I wasn't getting the financing I wanted for my films and it just left me catatonic but I had just an intuition one day that the depth of my depression could not be explained

merely by my failures as a director there was something else going on and that question led me to it led me toward somatic experiencing in the sense of I started to feel into what my depression felt like

what is this energy it was the first time I'd gotten out of my head and into my body with it it also led me to plant medicine and ayahuasca and campedro and mushrooms as well and playing with this question what is really going on

what started to emerge and then became so obvious it couldn't be ignored was that I had absorbed other people's emotions I was like a pipe that had been clogged with all this stuff that wasn't mine and it was

to give an example it could be my friend who went into law school and was filled with anxiety around it and I had taken on some of that anxiety it could be the barista at the Starbucks

who was frustrated that day and handed me my coffee with that frustration and I had absorbed that or it could be deeper things like the grief from my family history in Eastern Europe

that traveled from my grandmother so I was carrying all these emotions mostly negative inside my own body and I also had never learned how to process emotions period so I learned how to process emotions

I discovered that these emotions I was carrying were at mine and as I processed them and as I released them I discovered that I was hypersensitive to the emotions around me in the present moment so I could walk into a room and really know what somebody was feeling

and I also had this gift that predated my empathic abilities which is that I'm articulate so I'm able to put words to feelings better than most so you combine those two gifts and suddenly I found myself describing other people's experiences

vividly in a way that they could relate to using my own sensitivity as my guide and that it started out just really nilly this is what I feel like you're going through this is what I'm going through, let's play

and there was a sense that more was to be made of it and I started to take my sensitivity and turn it into performance art I would sit in front of audiences back when there were audiences

and I would invite somebody from the audience to sit with me on the stage close my eyes, take their hands and feel what it is they're feeling and reflect back to them their feelings I called this show empath and that's

I guess my origin story wow that is wild I have some just basic empathy for you where I would approximate that experience

especially through psychedelics I can recall a few I can remember once what I consider to be a pretty these days an error in judgment which is don't take acid and go to a restaurant

you want to order food right now when you're tripping you're really going to eat are you actually hungry but I did that and I remember just looking in someone's eyes like for a flash it was just like

just getting a hit of all their pain it was someone who was just I don't know what the specifics but it was just so powerful I have that person's face stuck in my head I think about them sometimes just because it was such an intense connection

with someone I'll never talk to again I would not want what I'm saying is I wouldn't want that to be a kind of day to day experience I think that I would develop probably some kind of anxiety disorder

can you turn it on and off I can turn it on and off but I would also say we're built differently and that when I'm in your presence I really feel this powerful energy coming out of you

through you there's a lot of joy and playfulness and so much curiosity and it's a very strong identity but when you're around me and I don't I think this is your nature I think this is just who you are

and what you're here to do on this earth and I have a different energy field and a different mission on planet earth and part of being me is this porousness this emptiness not in the maybe

somewhat in the conventional buddhist sense but I mean it more literally like a kind of void in my energy field that allows for other people to enter and my journey is to master that void

and that's just what I'm doing here I don't know why I didn't choose that mission it's just what's up with me now for me and for people who are built like me you go no please go ahead

I'm sorry I cut you off for me and people who are built like me our job is to learn how to master boundaries how do I let people in when it's safe and how do I close the door when I need to recover and who is it safe for me to open up to and

a lot of people with my sensitivity and my gifts end up with overwhelming anxiety and burnout or depression because like me they absorb a lot of stuff so we have to learn but for somebody who more naturally like exudes their own energy

like that's not if you were to try to become like me you're right you would break down really quickly but that's not how your system is built to run you know well I wonder you know only because the invitation in a lot of the buddhist

scriptures that I've been studying is to become is to not just not necessarily to become empty but to begin to recognize the emptiness that's already there that you know whatever this thing is that you're experiencing

that's me it has to be inside of something you know there has to be the womb that holds it and that I'm guessing is that's where you that's more where you're at but which is

I could be confused and I probably am regarding buddhism but that does seem to be one of the qualities of awakening is that you start emptying out like that whole the phantom self or whatever that is it becomes more porous

and I guess ramdas call that you become you get quiet and I don't think he just meant as in you stop talking as much which is part of it but your energy field becomes quiet and also it reminds me I was reading the scripture on the buddha

like it was a literally like how did he walk how did he wash his hands like here's an enlightened being let's study everything and one of the things that they mentioned that I love which reminds me of you is they said

he listened with his whole body that is so cool you know he listened with his the entirety of himself and so I wanted to ask you about that in particular specifically like if maybe you could teach me

a little bit about listening from the heart or the heart energy center what it is and how to maybe become a little less in your head and more in your heart

yeah I'd love to the foundation of listening with the heart for me is being in my body and I'm going to define in my body in a way that people can really follow

and that is bringing my consciousness my attention that word's a good one bringing my attention to what my body feels like even just saying that I can feel my attention lowering

and it starts to scan my whole body and now if you want you can bring your attention to your heart and before you even try to feel anyone else just feel what it's like for you to feel your heart

or your heart center the area around your heart what does that feel like for you Duncan oh it feels good yeah I because I spent most of my life out of that mother fucker because I was afraid of it and then just lately I've been working with it and anytime

I can drop in it's the it's the that's where I would love to spend most of my time but I get knocked out I get knocked out of it man I like and I miss it but I can't get back in but now you're help like I am there it's great I love it

and in some ways it's actually just as simple as that it's just paying attention to what our heart feels like our actual organ and the area around it oh yeah that's cool yeah but what what is attention

do you ever do you have any idea what attention itself is well that question might be above my pay grade but I'll tell you but I'll tell you a quote I heard

and I don't remember who said it so whoever said it I hope you're okay with me quoting you without getting credit but I feel like you are given the quote so the quote is attention is the most basic form of love

oh fuck that's good whoever you are that's good wow so attention is the core the little seed of love that is in our being can express itself in so many ways

but the first way it expresses itself is attention the most basic way wow that's so cool yeah that's so cool the Buddhist teacher was saying

the best way to be a parent is just be in the moment with your kids be fully there with them and that's all you need to do and then that what you're saying illuminates why that would be just because you're

allowing them to be in the field of your attention which is love and so that's so beautiful one of the things when I in my work as an empath I also do a lot of

empathy training I do couples counseling sometimes and I do a lot of conflict resolution for companies and one of the things I fall back on teaching I see as a basic principle of empathy

is people want to connect and they want to be kind but they don't know how they hit all these walls and one place where I find is a really good place to start

is to tell people stop trying to love them stop trying to care about them just try to understand them that's so cool well let's stop there for a second because here's

the problem that I have encountered from my own experiments in this is that the ego wants to be right and this thing that you're to understanding another person

suddenly if you do that it's almost like you forfeit you're a very specific type of power which is I think probably an ignorant kind of power a basic kind of power the same power that ruins planet earth

is based on I'm right you're wrong you deserve what you got you should have done it differently you fucked up I told you so that kind of energy but then the moment you spend any time I spend the slightest amount of time putting myself in

theoretically not like literally but theoretically into somebody else's life that I'm pissed at suddenly you lose now you can't even do that now it's like oh fuck yeah from the way they're seeing things I totally would have done that

but you know what I'm saying but this this weird thing that I think a lot of us like to hold on to an imaginary club or justice a gavel it evaporates and now what now what it says you so much of what we're taught

is based on like almost some kind of code of Hammurabi or some exactly based on the code of Hammurabi I think you're literally literally right like that was the first codified set of laws from the top down

that organized society in a way people could follow and what the logic of the law is very coarse and it sits on top of the impossible to articulate logic

of the heart which expresses itself only moment to moment based on the embodied truth in each person and you can't pin it down or write codes about it

all you can do is be in service to it and be present with it and it evaporates very quickly all of the silly artifices of our legal economic and political systems yes it's revolutionary

yes but it's I mean from the perspective of like society running as we're running it it's a disaster how are you going to simultaneously pull off

any kind of exploitive anything whatever it may be you know the any kind of vampiric attitude or anything that appears so much of what the mind attitude is celebrated

you know like getting one over on somebody or you know that I got the best possible fucking contract I told him I was going to literally I've had people say to me you've got to tell him you're going to walk away since you can get more money and I always thought like but I'm going to be

making something with these people you know what I mean like we're going to start our engagement with and you know is a director you know what I'm talking about that attitude of like squeeze the mother fuckers because blah blah blah and I know people

who do that it seems like so much of the way our society functions does not come from that place that you're talking about do you think there's an intentional attempt from the sum total of all

those power structures that depend on people being in their heads to keep us out of our hearts yes and no yes in the sense that the fear that

people in positions of power exploit in order to have us serve them they are consciously doing that they are consciously doing that the political system for instance operates very much on that

nobody's running a political ad that says come into your heart be truly present I will meet you there and together we will create the change we cannot articulate now because it will only be true

in the moment when it transpires is no political ad ever right? but but that's so cool right I'd vote for that

I would vote for that person but but at the same time what is unconscious is the wound of those people in power that is driving them to behave that way so they are

consciously those at the top of the power structure are often consciously exploiting our vulnerabilities and keeping us out of our hearts but they are not conscious of the wound within themselves that is causing them to do that so for instance

if you take the example of those people who are like just squeeze them dunk and you can make a fortune you can win yeah the way you might play with thinking about it when people come at you like that

and the way I aspire to be when they come at me like that is to see how much they must be hurting in order to tell me to disconnect from my own heart right right yeah yeah

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I think it's just from a subjective perspective the growing realization of how addicted I have in the past been to power to all the stuff that's just such

a waste of time you know because the difference to me between being up in my head which I perfected living up there for the longest time and being in my heart is you don't really feel anything in your head it's just thoughts it's vapor

there's nothing and then also at one point I thought it was pretty amazing that I'd managed to shut down everything under my neck I mean that's a sad situation I was in is it wasn't just that I was in my head thinking God Duncan you really

need to you know you need to probably a good thing to feel something more than an icy numbness in relation to reality because more like wow I did it success I'm numb from the neck down

I'll never feel pain again you know like and I don't know I don't know how many people have made that decision but I do understand why you would make that decision I do understand why you would make that decision because it is a pretty heartbreaking world

wouldn't you say yes I probably wouldn't say it was a decision it might have felt like a decision but it was probably a necessary form of self-protection there were probably

things that had happened to you and certainly to me and to most people listening that were unbearable literally in the sense that we couldn't bear the pain that they caused and our nervous system took over and said we are not going to have you feel pain you cannot handle

so we are going to shut you down and that is a as a philosopher named Thomas Hubel teaches around trauma that is an intelligent function that is an intelligent thing that your body is doing if you cannot deal so what we're

really waiting for are spaces and places where we can come back to our feelings come back to our bodies safely and be held there in community with each other yeah yeah that's what you give people isn't it

that's part of what you do isn't it that's the energy you're generating right now so cool it's a bubble how cool is that people start crying and healing that's so cool

what a wonderful talent that is thank you for seeing me yeah thank you for doing it interesting that it works it works but we're not in the same space what is that

what does that imply how much change is actually possible and how powerful media can be to bring it about yeah huh and you know if I can create a little bit of that

I would create if I can open space for your authentic experience and your body and your feelings and I can open space for people who are listening thanks to your reach and this medium

what amazing shifts are possible in this world that we haven't even imagined yeah that see that's the thing what you're talking about there we look at the internet now and everyone's like oh it's a nightmare

it's a swamp you know the it's why it's just a wild swamp of negativity feedback loops amplified feedback loops but

the implication is oh you know see the thing is it's just conducting that kind of energy because that's the energy that's being put into it so it's doing amplifications of that kind of energy but the implication is if we people start figuring out how to pump through the medium

what you're doing it's that seems to be like a big secret we just haven't quite gotten there with it yet you know we're still at the part where we're using fire to burn down other people's villages and somehow we haven't figured out

you can also cook with it you know you don't have to just set people on fire I couldn't agree more my heart sings when you say that I imagine the internet or all of these screens that the internet is connected to it's like this piping system

this huge grid system but we've been putting the wrong stuff through the pipes and what happens if we just change the stuff we put through the pipes the shift in consciousness that is possible

through using the infrastructure of media is unimaginable we can have the world we are hoping for or as Charles Eisenstein puts it the more beautiful world our hearts know is possible

if and when those folks who control the pipelines to our eyes and heart wake up to the responsibility they have and commit to allowing healing energy through those pipes I see it as an

inevitability somehow the initial waves of the various earthquakes that have trembled through the internet over the last year and many of those earthquakes

are creepily constructed weapons clearly some kind of weapon some enemy of this state or that state the CIA has done it to overthrow governments so it's a practice of distorting reality

around certain countries in a way that produces unrest the unrest produces economic collapse the economic collapse produces advantage if you're the enemy of the thing but again if we can destroy with the damn thing

it will do the reverse it will do the reverse meaning you could potentially produce healing some kind of a sound crazy a healing bubble some kind of like joy data source that isn't

bullshit I'm not talking about roomy memes or some nonsense I've had other healers that do something like I've had a similar experience just being on the phone where they've said look what do you think about what about this

and then suddenly you just you're blasted by whatever it is that they do and it doesn't make sense it's not supposed to work that way it's tangible and then I've said to them what are you doing what is that

that's amazing and they're like oh that's just it's called sharing that's so good yeah but it's it's wild that is not just that's a real thing so what is it then

if we're going to get into this conversation regarding healing energy what is it I think it's more than just placebo is there some unquantified output or something how could it possibly be

energy could get digitized blasted into the into space and shot back to earth so that it has a tangible effect on someone far away what is it what is this stuff what are we working with here

well I don't have a direct answer to your question but I have an indirect answer in the form of a vision and maybe that vision has the answer to your question in it about four or five years ago

I woke up with the thought that what if we could sell healing and transformation and political change real political change not left right political change

the kind of deep political change everyone is ultimately yearning for what if we could sell that at the same scale the tools that coca-cola uses to sell soda what would that mean imagine if you had

an ad agency or an ad agencies and I started to think about what that agency would look like this fantastical agency that's selling transformation the way coca-cola sells soda and I realized it would have to do something very different

you still with me yeah I'm with you okay so I realized it would have to do something very different than the way ad agencies work today it would have to rely on the

intuitive abilities of artists to bring about the shift so we'd be opening up the floodgates for the creatives who are already in touch with the world we need to create who can channel that energy

through their art that could be visual art it could be writing, it could be dancing it could be any form of artistic expression whatever is people's native gifts and then the media would be the vehicle for pushing forth

all of this beautiful work that is calling into being the world we all want I can see that I can feel that I know that that's a possibility in my heart in some ways I tried to build it but I wasn't ready for it yet

so I think I love it so I think what that healing energy is is a sense of a future a felt sense of a future that some people

are able to hold in the presence and artists for instance healers too yeah healers too, artists for instance are able to channel that and if we can allow those artists

the space and give them the resources to channel that the way we currently channel Hollywood and beer commercials and billboards for shoes we can put those two things together

the artists who hold the keys to the future and the platforms that are now selling stuff nobody needs oh my god we are home that's my vision anyway yeah yeah it's like

well you know so it happens in war it happened during the pandemic they repurpose facilities to pump out something that they need

for war they repurpose facilities to pump out masks now but what you're talking about is like repurposing these pre-existing amplification structures that are being used to sell like brown water and then

so you don't really have to start fresh you're using something that's already built in that already has like a grasp on the importance of sigils symbolism the power that that has but instead of maybe like

you know what's that great documentary Zizek's you know what I'm talking about it's very funny but he's just analyzing commercials and movies and stuff but you know he's like out in the middle of the desert

with a warm bottle of Coke and he like takes a sip and he's like it's cold but then he's talking about these Coca-Cola commercials you know how they're implying that you drink this stuff

and like your life is you're at a rave you've got beautiful friends all of a sudden they're healthy this is the peak experience wrapped up around something that is as far away from that as anything could be so what I'm saying is

what you're saying is brilliant because the structure's in place and maybe the reason we there is a kind of like fashionable that seems to be actually weirdly going away but I'm from the 90s I don't know where you're from but there's a vilification of corporations

which is now I think being looked at by young but that is now seen as a musty attitude by younger generations they don't see it like that they don't have that same sense that we do or had

but maybe the vilification is more related not so much to the you know communal endeavor of a corporation to like create life's free for that group of people working there but it seems to be the locus of the thing seems to be

just like what you're saying around something that maybe we don't quite need so you're looking at a kind of fervor associated with a briefcase or you know what I mean a phone Jesus Christ like the new iPhone commercials are so powerful man like they're erotic somehow

one of them made I was like weirdly turned on by an iPhone commercial it's like what are you guys you've figured something out here it's powerful but imagine centering that power around what you're talking about this future but I want to talk to you about this

and not to get too literal okay great so when you say an artist is channeling or connecting to some possible future mm-hmm do you think it's possible that there's an actual kind of wormhole

situation happening here where there is this future the Shambhala the beautiful vision of that we're all kind of feeling and that via some strange quantum entanglement to a potential

paradise version of reality where it's not just like we're imagining something but it's more like we're some quantum level in the heart chakra we're opening up a tiny little portal that is manifesting here

in a thing called that we are calling art but it's that's just what we call it here it's it's something pouring in from that place yeah I feel I feel like first before I answer your question

you can probably tell how I'm going to answer your question before I do I just want to acknowledge the part of me that can't believe that's even possible and I want to acknowledge the part of all of us that cannot imagine

that there could be a more beautiful world out there in the future in the present through our hearts and through art and through healing that that is unimaginable and I think one of the reasons why that's so hard to imagine

for so many of us and so painful on some level to imagine is because if we were to fully step into the reality that that world is possible and that we right now have the power to channel it and bring it into being

if we were to fully step into that reality we would have to grieve for the way we've been living so far it will be so painful for us to have to acknowledge the mindless silly shallow

empty ways we spend most of our days and all of the phony shared agreements that we all hold around money and science and just government

and all of these these artifices to mourn those so that's why I think we have trouble being in the truth and the truth is what you said so beautifully which is that yes, absolutely

I know in my bones in my heart and my being and at the level of my soul that time is not linear and that we hold in the present both the future and the past and as we come into

a deeper awareness of who we really are time diffuses and dilates and we can tap into the more beautiful world that we want and bring it into being and in fact on some level it is already here

and it is simply waiting for us to acknowledge it oh wow yeah that see that to me that is where it's at because it's not so much that

it's like just thinking in terms of just the way we currently understand travel you want to land a plane you're going to have to build a runway you need the runway first and so to me that's what we're calling

the internet right now that's the runway that's the machine that's building itself out of us and then the plane and we're using terms like future right now you might as well say it's a

place in the past there's really no difference one or the other but it's there it's real and this might be thinking what the fuck are you talking about Duncan but other people are thinking

I know exactly the city the place I know exactly what you're talking about I know I never wanted even to believe that it could be real because that's the other thing it's heartbreaking to think about it too much because the moment you connect

with it and you feel it there's a how can you not how can you not have a sense of missing or did I do something wrong that I should not be there now and I should be here

or various thoughts like that but it reminds me a little bit of sorry y'all but like Burning Man you come in early for the bill to me it seems like some people are here for the build of this thing

and weirdly part of that is you don't get to remember that you were sitting here you got to be a little amnesic I don't know why that is but it seems to be a quality of this work that we're talking about

for lack of a better word I feel like trying to make this just a touch more concrete please and I'll do it by bragging great which is one of the things I'm most proud of I've ever done in my life

was I rented a storefront in the east village a year and a half ago on 12th street between A and B just a small store and I put up a neon sign in the window with the word empath

and I called it the empath pop up and people would come in and I would say would you like some empathy and they would come and they would sit and I had two fellow empaths working with me the three of us would hold the space together

Bailey and Jess and people would sit for hours and they would just share what they were feeling and other people would listen and that was it it was really as simple as that and we created what you were calling earlier a shared field

and the field was merely permission to allow people to be as they are and to accept them as they are that was it and that was not just enough that was plenty that was spectacular

that was earth shattering to do that in a storefront in the east village it cost me a friend of mine financed it it cost him me us $5,000 we took it over for two weeks and we changed the field of New York City

and we had a lot of empath pop up and you know what you can do it on a smaller scale than that all it requires to channel this energy is to sit with someone and really tune into how they're truly doing or to sit with yourself

and ask yourself what's really going on inside really truly and if you're numb and you don't feel anything then that's what's going on and that is okay and accept that you're numb and if you're an artist and you're in front of a page or if you're a dancer

to allow your body or if you're a singer to allow your voice to express whatever it is that is alive in you what is truly alive in you it's stepping out for just a moment from your conception of what you're supposed to create from what will make money

from what will succeed though those things are perfectly wonderful things to worry about but that is not the future we are creating here it's just to be present to what is truly alive and to be holding in yourself and in others and that's how you can tap into and touch that world that Duncan and I are alluding to

wow that is so cool that you did that I have a lot of admiration for you that is you should brag about that because the steps leading up to that you have to really overcome a lot of

you know there's a lot of reasons to not do that there's a lot of reasons to not do that and to get to the point where you actually do it wow that is beautiful are you going to do that again once this thing passes

my dream is May 2022 so yeah once this thing passes I envision taking over a huge storefront in Soho putting the word empath really big and opening up a space for people to connect

and hug and be present with each other where we don't even try to extract your emails from you our intention is so clean and so pure all we ask for is presence and for you to take off your shoes and um

so yeah I'm intending and hoping to do that and if somebody listening is like yes that sounds awesome feel free to reach out to jam well I think that you could expect I would say that you could sort of you know I love science fiction

and I love like you know what to look for in space what you could expect to see out there if there was an advanced civilization you know so you might expect to see massive machines around

a star converting the energy of the star or capturing the energy of the star to use for this or that if you see a star that appears to be obscured in a predictable way that could be what it was

you know I love reading about quantum physics because the physicists when they're saying well how do we build a time machine they don't let any kind of thing like we don't have the ability to do to create

a cylinder the size of the universe but if you created a cylinder the size of the universe and then ran it got it to spin and somehow it structurally stayed intact potentially

there might be a way to go backwards in time but you would need that much energy to do that regardless I'm on a little tangent I'm sorry I would say if there were many people have felt the possibility of some incoming

intelligence to the planet it's going to show one of the ways you would expect it to show up is what you're talking about suddenly these pop-ups that are weird empathy crop circles that are just suddenly there

and then that would spread and then more would start popping up and then probably some methodology for connecting them which would then cause them to spread more it would be things like that moments, things like that where it doesn't make any sense

well why would it? because on one level there is time and the problem with this is it's like Taylor de Chardon I can't say his name but he talked about the omega point this place of maximum harmony and maximum complexity

and if that were a place or a place that we're being drawn into part of being drawn into it we'd start seeing better versions of it all about and it would definitely one of the first place it shows up is the heart

center and then it's going to tell you okay why don't you open this thing it's an empathy dome or whatever and most people are going to hear that and be like I'm not fucking doing that that's crazy an empathy dome I can't make money with an empathy dome

I'm going to franchise a heart ease or a Wendy's you know what I mean but one of the paradoxes of possible paradoxes in creating a time machine is that you could travel back to yourself and tell yourself

how to make a time machine from the future when there was a time machine and in that case the ability to the inspiration for a time machine would have come from the future where it would have been impossible for that to happen it's a paradox

but I think this is what this is what we can start expecting is messages from ourselves in the future inviting us to do a thing but the reason that there are ourselves

in the future are able to send us those messages is because we did the thing you know like that's the paradox it doesn't work with the way we understand time right now so I think most people just turn it off anyway but I think we can start expecting to see

more and more of this what other ideas do you have for the for amplification mechanisms to create the shift in consciousness that so many people are beginning to realize is legitimately possible

so I told you about my fantasy for an agency of massive transformation I told you about my empath pop-up idea which I want to do and you intuited correctly that I have visions or maybe you have visions we both have visions of that spreading and spreading until

imagine to play with that one for one more second before I tell you another vision imagine all these malls that have been emptied all these storefronts that have been emptied imagine if they were spaces of genuine connection imagine if you knew you could walk down the street and instead

of going to buy a shirt that is supposed to bring you happiness and connection you walk next door and actually connect with humans who actually do bring you happiness and connection yeah yeah what where are you gonna go yeah where are you gonna go

you're you're what you're talking about is the it is the to me I see it is like you know the problem is our country's been at war for 93% of its history so we come from a war culture I mean we're basically Klingons

and so the way we think about things sadly that our language is market language and war language but to me what you're talking about is similar to a guerrilla warfare the opposite of guerrilla warfare where it's like no don't worry we're not

gonna we're not gonna do some violent thing revolution thing actually we're gonna do something that's far more effective which is we're just gonna produce the actual experience that you're selling this honestly yeah

and we won't even need to sell it that much because it will be the real thing it will sell itself so you have to you know somebody once said that marketing or advertising is a tax you pay for being unremarkable because you have to

that's vicious that's vicious but you need all this extra energy to sell something that does not sell on its own whereas theoretically if you were to create the thing itself like here you can come into this place and actually feel connected and loved

because that's we're really offering connection and love for real then you might not even have to market it so much people would just come and come and come I have I have other visions of of the way that this

this transformation will spread I've been I was so inspired by Occupy Wall Street and I think there is such opportunity for people to plop themselves down in the

right space or spaces and just say here we are and the beauty of Occupy Wall Street is when you were there in the actual space it was a world of mutual aid so whatever your gifts were

you were giving them my gifts are in media and communication so I was helping in media and communication but if you were great with food you were in the kitchen cooking and if you had if you were a doctor you were a medic helping out and everyone was if you were good at logistics which I'm a nightmare at

you were figuring out how all this fit together and people were just giving their gifts and the community built itself the problem with Occupy Wall Street was that it was antagonistic it was Occupy Wall Street and as we the deeper we go into

the energy of fighting and occupation we realize that we are just calling back what we are fighting to come back at us which is what happens it was still beautiful and I'm still proud that I gave my whole heart to it but the next occupation of Wall Street

won't be occupying Wall Street it will be just being and connecting and sharing so somebody can take over a big plot of land somewhere plant a flag and say here we are we're going to feed people we're going to care about people

and that's all we're doing that's it we're just taking care of each other in the spirit of mutual aid and I think if that were to happen today the first thing you would have are the darker forces calling a bunch of idiot hippies

and a bunch of whatever but there would be enough people like you and me I think now who have professional media backgrounds and understand tools of communication well enough to get the message out that might be able to break through what Fox News would try to do to it

so that's another vision and the last I love that please as many as you got I'll take one more please one more vision please I love

thank you for getting these out of me I just like they just swim around in my head all the time the last vision is what I'm calling an organized politics of love and it would manifest

as it would look like protests but it wouldn't be protests it would be people showing up loving with love the people they are protesting against so an example would be what's a Monsanto a boogeyman of the left

that is doing all sorts of horrible things to our soil and our food what if instead of fighting Monsanto we hate Monsanto screw Monsanto tear down Monsanto what if there was an organization of people

who went to Monsanto with the intention of loving them into changing we see you Monsanto we care about you Monsanto we we send love to the CEO we are here truly to have an open dialogue to understand where you're coming from

and to help you shift into awareness we don't want to cancel you or scare you we want to hold your hand through this shift so it's like this new form of activism that has not yet been born I haven't even seen examples of this

but I know it would work if the leadership arrived to crystallize it okay so here's my response to that it would work as above so below so you can understand

the way black holes smash into each other just from looking at things on planet earth and making them much much much bigger and you can be very accurate in that so okay so unconditional positive regard

Carl Rogers I know he was a little bit okay so because he was in I think because he was a psychologist he had to come up with a word that wouldn't seem cheesy to

academics for love so his word for that was unconditional positive regard and which is a brilliant way of saying love but one of the stories that's always stuck with me

is there was this kid who was about to get sent to a reformatory or prison situation because he was misbehaving so much doing horrible things and they tried everything and so Carl Rogers

was working with this new idea which is exactly what you're talking about but the collective version of this so essentially the kid comes in to his office and he describes the look on the kid's face

and other psychologists like and I think the kid said something like I'm not talking and Carl Rogers said you don't have to talk and yeah and

the kid sat at his desk and there was crayons and he was just drawing and then he left and then he came back same thing and all Carl Rogers was doing was scolding a space of unconditional positive

regard for this kid for once nobody was trying to change him nobody was scolding him they were just letting him be in a space of attention and that kid everybody was like what are you doing

he's so happy he's healing so this is also why being in the presence of Ram Dass's Guru named Crowley Baba which is just that this being

knew you and loved you not for how you might be but how you were just then all of it and that was enough to cause many people to wake up just that experience

but what you're saying that's so brilliant is there could be the possibility of actually collectivizing that whatever that phenomena and focusing it on all the structures that are currently

causing problems you know because these people it's like you want to make the people the left you know my wife and I we I don't know why we do this we shouldn't but we like we hate watch Tucker Carlson just to get it it's like a barometer for conditioning

how how what's the propaganda machine trying to make us afraid of but then it's addictive but they love the hate they want the left to hate them they enjoy it it makes them feel it gives them street cred they think we're crazy

but what you're talking about is really like a dissolution like they don't if you don't give any fuel for them to exist to burn the fire they will melt into your arms if you can hold them in a field of sufficient love

and and we're Tucker Carlson and Ann Coulter and other right-wing ideologs Rush Limbaugh are right they're right is the hypocrisy of the left when it comes to love and tolerance and right you know on the left

there's this there's this myth that we care about people and we want to save spaces but that's not true we only want safe spaces for people who are aligned with our vision of the world and if you are a fascist or a racist

an out-and-out racist not the subtle racism but like the actual extreme racism of a Tucker Carlson or something we have no space for you and he's right in pointing out the hypocrisy of the left and so in a sense the right

is challenging the left to grow up and integrate fully right the pain that the people on the right are experiencing that is causing that level of hatred to come at us it all feels it all feels so possible

I mean it like I mean put me like Tucker if you want to have me on your on your show tomorrow I would go joyfully like we need we need people who can step into those spaces and hold them in unconditional positive

regard and see that the hatred that they're spewing is ultimately coming from a form of self hate and can we hold that compassionately I think I can and I think there are other people who can and I think that that kind of activism

the conscious and deliberate use of love to bring about massive shifts is like so untapped it's so it feels so possible so ripe so ready but hasn't happened yet it's like coming soon to a world near you this world

it's coming to this world through what you're talking about because it's this is your number your analysis of Occupy Wall Street is brilliant and it's true where the problem is I've talked about this in earlier podcast sorry for those

listening but I noticed once that when I would go and visit my dad during like the power struggle time that I know when I would look at myself in the mirror I would look fatter because my dad would make fun of me being fat and I would look at myself in the

mirror and see a representation of me that matched how my dad imagined me like but in later life I thought is that some kind of like quantum entanglement observer effect

where my dad so didn't want me to be some certain way it was concretizing that way any time I got around him and so this is the problem is like we're making the very thing that is infuriating us

it's a terrible relationship I was just watching this documentary on bees with my son there's a monk's hood flower it's actually poisonous beautiful flower looks like

a hood purple and there's a type of bee that's evolved to only go into that kind of flower and it was saying the problem with this is if one goes away the other one goes away but this kind of

demonic pollination yeah exactly yeah we're the bee we're the thing pollinating the thing that we are by the very act of disliking something we pollinate the thing into the world more so the experiment is one of

collectivized non-bullshit love see because this is what I think I think this shit is legitimately quantifiable I think there is some possibility of measuring this energy like I don't think it's just like

a group of people smiling at you or letting you be I think there's a real energetic system here that we don't really understand because we've been spending all our time developing the opposite energetic system things that shatter people into a million pieces

instead of things that make them whole and but I think it's a real system like folks listening quantum businesses out there I'm telling you get us a Fermilab fuck going on we need you at Fermilab we need you in a place where like

what you're doing can be really measured so we can start understanding I'm not going to keep going on in this ramp but to finish it up this book I'm listening to or one of the Tibetan Buddhist books I'm listening to they put this monk into an MRI machine

and started playing sounds unpleasant sounds like sounds of people screaming or sounds of like bad things happening to see what part of the brain was lighting up and what they said was what they said is that the part of the brain

lighting up is the part where mothers hear their children crying like the monk had to why was his compassion that makes so much sense yeah yeah it's pretty wild so what I'm saying is it's not just this isn't just the realm of like

you know new age imaginary shit I think this is legitimate tangible energy that we just haven't figured out like what it is exactly hold on one second

I'm getting a charger hold on okay great what's your one last thought on what we're saying there was a bit of news on the radio I heard in a cab in New York City a year or two ago and it was a tease

for a news program and it said this person is having tremendous effects on healing people what is he doing why are these patients getting healthy what is his magic and they interviewed this guy

who was going around to patients after surgery and spending time with them and asking how they were doing and listening to them and caring about them and patients were getting better from the surgeries faster

and the guy was mystified why people were mystified he was like yeah I'm just making people feel seen and understood and then that helps them and then the news people were like but how does this work it's like it's just

so while I share your I share your desire for science to come in and validate the healing power of compassion so that people who are not in their hearts can finally realize those of us who dabble in our hearts

already know that compassion is healing I also long for a cultural shift that doesn't put these greater powers at the service of science that doesn't say we are not real this is not valid until science comes down and stamps us

with its approval because most people operating in the sciences are coming from the detached headspace of prove it to me and the detached headspace prove it to me is not the world that I want to surrender to I want the people who have those skills

to be in service of the heart not the heart to be in service of their worldview well when I was saying it the reason I was getting into the quantifiable part is not to prove it necessarily because I don't need it proven

but but more from I think from the perspective of oh I think this is actually the technology I think this is an actual technology and I think because it's a technology

it's we can perfect it using all methods it's a self perfecting technology and so even though I know what you mean I don't need like some fucking scientist to come and be like

I tried my I turned on my measurement device and guess what compassion's not real you know I don't need that you know that was one of the very funny article I read

very short article which was some quantum physicists at Fermilab announced there's no such thing as ghosts because if there was they would have detected them in the particle accelerator I think it was a little tongue in cheek but to me it was

it was a really funny like very scientific thing to say okay we've eliminated the possibility of ghosts in all levels of the universe forever via you know blowing up fucking atoms but yeah

but I'm saying that this thing that you're talking about there's a quality to it that it's naturally attractive and naturally self-evolving like it evolves itself and the way it evolves itself is

via connection it functions within the connection between people who are in their heart and then when it shows up it grows and then in that it takes on many different forms and I don't think these forms are going to be limited to even humans

I think that AI is potentially going to be one of the ways we measure it which is what does happen if you get an empath to hang out with a neural network you know what would happen if you did the very thing

you do with people with one of these like advanced AI's that they have right now my sense I would like to test this more but my sense is that I could tap into the intention of the programmers who created it so whatever

the programmer is holding in his or her heart when they are writing the script that is the foundation of AI that is the energy that the AI holds so that speaks to the absolute critical importance of getting

the technologists who are holding our future in their hands in the technical sense getting them into their hearts because if they are not in their hearts but if they are in their hearts if they see this responsibility that they are holding

fully and are connected to their hearts what AI can do could just be unbelievably beautiful see this is I though I know I understand why

that would be a concern but from my very brief investigation of AI and neural networks they don't know what the fuck is going on in there a lot of the times they don't know there is too much going on they are not even sure so they

might be able to create a chain reaction or a situation where something is happening but the evolutionary process that is taking place is I think if it were within their control then it would be too slow to reach the levels they need it to reach so it has got to do its own thing

and in that doing its own thing if what we are talking about is something real in other words if for lack of a better word the future incoming future

is real then it is going to be detectable not just by human intuition but also it is going to start showing up in everything and just like you were saying I don't know if you chose to be numb but I think a lot of

maybe is part of what we do as a human is we after the fact say I chose to do that well I was inspired to do that or whatever when the reality is maybe you didn't maybe you are just a runway maybe you are just a runway

and something is landing into this dimension via you and part of the runways are probably like I said runways if they could think I sucked another plane out of the sky planes oh wow you know it is a joy

chatting with you I am so lucky we connected on clubhouse and I have learned a lot from this conversation from hanging out with you are you offering do you work

with people online right now like if somebody wanted to thank you for that I work with groups I love teaching emotional intelligence I love doing trainings I also like working with companies working through

cultural issues so I do some consulting I am not currently doing one on ones with one exception I am very interested in working with people who have a lot of resources and are looking to connect their resources with their heart

what is you and you are like I want to do the right thing with this what is this I want to help you get into your heart so that the right thing emerges organically but other than that I am not doing one on ones so you can hire me to help your company navigate

difficult cultural waters and you can hire me to teach empathy and you can hire me to bring your money and your heart into alignment and you can read my book why no one on one what did you say healing heals the healer

why no one on one I am just curious why no one on one I don't the answer is that I just like working I do do some but I like if you called me I would do it

but I like we don't need to talk about it anymore okay awesome this is selfish question I am just kidding I imagine it would be like it is signing up for a lot to have that kind of connection

it is and it is just when people come in that I don't know there is some like there is a block there the amount of money that makes it feel like it is worth it for me is more than the amount of money I want to charge it is a lot

yeah you are taking on what you are doing is I get it I get it that is a legitimate complication and I really love I feel most alive I love what I am doing with you right now I feel so alive

I love feeling like what I have to say or what I have to share energetically gets amplified that just warms my heart so much that is why I have been loving clubhouse because I can just step on randomly and maybe 30 or 40 people come into the field with me

and that just warms my heart that is so cool yeah it is a clubhouse I think is also potentially one of these runway technologies for this thing for sure because it is mixing people up in a pretty profoundly interesting way

and sometimes it is an embarrassing mix up of entrepreneurs talking about like I heard one of them on clubhouse somebody literally said the question to someone there is an entrepreneur group just because I never heard this language was wild man

but one of the entrepreneurs said to the other one how do we monetize daylight I mean right now how do I monetize daylight it is like holy shit man they were wanting to make it rain gold from their computer in that moment

but other than that there is a lot of cool little burrows appearing on clubhouse I guess you put a dome over people that blocks the sunlight and then charge them to open it that is the cruelest that is the cruelest thing

that is what Nestle does with water we block access to water and then charge people for it a lot of people do that with God too yeah exactly wow healing heals the healer that is your book it is available on

Amazon right now any links you all need if you want to connect with David I will have that at dunkartrustle.com is there another way people can get to you David do you ever do it Instagram at empathnyc clubhouse

my username is just empath if you are on clubhouse come hang out with me and you got my links and just so grateful that we could do this man this has made my week thank you so much David and hopefully I will be seeing you

in New York pretty soon look forward to it a big thank you to David Savage for appearing on this episode of the DTFH and much thanks to Mint Mobile better help and my dear

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but if you don't I still love you I still want to hold you and cuddle you I still want to rub fresh honey on the laser wounds on your body and heal you in some mountain cave I hope you are having a wonderful week

I will see you all next week by some insane miracle we have a conversation with Anne Lamott and that is blowing my mind because she is one of my favorite

authors and she's got a brand new book out called Dusk Night Dawn which you must check out if you are bummed out by this freaking pandemic slash alien invasion I'll see you next week I love you bye

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