Duncan Trussell Family Hour - 448: Robert Ryan

Episode Date: June 26, 2021

Robert Ryan, purveyor of beautiful tattoos and highly-disciplined mystical yogi, re-joins the DTFH! If you enjoy Robert be sure to follow him on Twitter! And check out his website, Raking Light Projects. Original music by Aaron Michael Goldberg. This episode is brought to you by: Squarespace - Use offer code: DUNCAN to save 10% on your first site. Hello Fresh - Visit hellofresh.com/duncan90 and use code DUNCAN90 at checkout for $90 off, including free shipping! BetterHelp - Visit betterhealth.com/duncan to find a great counselor and get 10% off of your first month of counseling!

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You're listening to the Dugga Trussell Family Hour podcast, and this is a remarkable and special episode with one of my most mystical friends, Robert Ryan. You probably know his artwork. He does the most beautiful tattoos that I've ever seen in my life. Robert Ryan's way more than a tattoo artist. He is a highly disciplined, mystical yogi

who travels all over the planet to some of the coolest places that you've probably never heard of. And I'm still thinking about some of the stories he told about these secret caves that he just visited. I can't wait for you to hear. Real quick, I'd love it if you'd subscribe to our Patreon over at patreon.com forward slash DTFH.

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All right, everybody, without further ado, welcome back to the DTFH, Robert Ryan. Welcome back to the DTFH to get everybody up to speed here. We were talking on the phone the other day and you started telling me about this incredible trip you just took and I because I guess I have become a true pig like capitalism is the like in infected me so much that I said wait don't tell me anything let's do this is a lot as a DTFH and then later I thought why not mix the two together and see what happens but that's the that's how we ended up where we're at today my sweet family and so now I'm gonna give the

mic to Robert because he just went on this insane beautiful spiritual trip and I want to hear every detail. Thank you I don't think it was a capitalist tendency because what I've been learning going on these pilgrimages that is super important to bring a little something back from it you know and share it and that's why not like why would you even bother to make a trip to a holy mountain and not bring some of that back with you your trip would be a waste of time in any other way so I'm happy to share it and I don't think it's it's not a commodification of our friendship or our conversation but I know what you mean you know like yeah you just want to like run to the to the mountaintop and scream it from there and like you know I definitely need to be a little careful

about how I talk about a lot of these pilgrimages especially this current one because the place I went is pretty secret it's a hidden place but I can say that I was brought by my guru whose name is Rudra Abhishek to the mountain range in the Balkans and we explored a series of caves that are man-made by the Trussian people ancient ancient people they they're saying they could be 6,000 to 8,000 years old they're they definitely predate a christ and what they walk they were temples that were built into the mountain to worship the divine mother wow now they're in they're in the shape of a uterus you uh you sent me some pictures I showed one to Erin and she was just like whoa that is that is most certainly not just a uterus it's like a pre-birth it looks

like they're about to give birth to something when you mentioned the we you just gave us a lot of information by the way your guru is he from the Balkans no he's not he he has some devotees that are from that area that were a little bit familiar with the lore of the these uteruses um but he's from Spain uh so he's from Europe and someone had told him about them and he said what you know he felt the call to go worship there so he had went on a personal pilgrimage to this place and uh he felt the her presence so so strongly there that he brought us back wow with him yeah wow now I guess the the one of the many things that have blown my mind about this trip is like this idea of the the Prussian people I was crushing Trussian people I was not Prussian

we know the the Trussian people I was googling at you I couldn't really find a lot of information on them but after seeing these pictures which folks who are watching live uh I think I know a way that I can share the screen a different screen so you can see these pictures but we'll do it after we finish this conversation who who are these people there's not I don't know much about them I do know that they were like uh probably what the pagan people of Europe would be like in that region but it's definitely there's a huge Vedic influence there too and um you know I I I think it's probably possibly from a different age entirely that that these were being used as temples and worship there um but they I would you know they have like their version of stone hinge

so I think they were probably like similar to pagans maybe later on in time before you know before christ but way back I think it's a whole other whole other group of people you know that were inhabiting this planet before you know a completely different system you know if you if you believe in the yuga system it was from a different yuga possibly okay like pre like what some people would say pre flood or yeah pre deluge yeah pre deluge pre um what is it that the graham handcock talks about the uh comet impact during the lesser driest but like this is the thing that got that got rid of the mammoths and the uh extinction yeah but these people might have been living with those creatures but they're it's not like you know the it's it's not like the myth of like

the savage caveman it's like these were very very advanced people who were reaching the end of just to have the technology to be able to build these things you know to carve these out and and I mean we hiked pretty high up to get to these places and it wasn't easy to sort of bring any kind of tools and things like that we were bringing stuff to to to worship and we had a difficult time and uh you know just to be able to to create such a place in that environment they had to be pretty advanced what when you say you're bringing tools to worship maybe you could talk a little bit about what the what your your guru's plan was for this trip well it was amazing because um one of the the major themes of the trip was like kind of he was encouraging us to let go of our

ideas of what we thought god would be or spirituality or even worship would be and just to be able to be like absorbed in the grace of being in these caves you know and like he was kind of setting us up you know like helping us connect with a more subtle energy of this cave so like one of the one of the caves that we visited he did a silent meditation but we began with um two we we began with ohm and creme those two um so we chanted those and i'm not i'm not kidding man those syllables filled the cave and they stayed there our entire meditation so it was completely silent and uh wow he was drawing like yantras in the in the ground and that would change the vibration of the cave or he was kind of working with these these subtle vibrations but like really

kind of like nurturing them and like connecting with them and just like the the idea of the divine mother is she's the expression of the consciousness you know like um there's the idea of uh purusha and pakrati so purusha is like the um dormant uh kinetic energy and uh pakrati is the kinetic energy you know and that's like uh when it's the god and the goddess one's like the dormant and one's the the the potential the kinetic you know and then also the subject and the object you know and um the doer and the the dawn so yeah so uh that sounds so crazy yeah the you're saying that he started chanting these mantras and they like it's like they stayed they just hovered there around you without chanted them together yeah they just filled the room and they were

they were present you we stopped chanting it and it was there you know until we left you know it sounds like someone like logging like i mean not to completely reduce it to something as unmistakable as possible but it sounds like someone walking in like in some future apocalyptic situation knowing how to use a computer you know what i mean like recognizing this tech this is a technology and i know how to i can interact with it a little bit is what it sounds like to me yeah and that's really what sadhana is it's the technology you know sadhana is like your practice your your connection with the divine and you learn the technology to work with the elements of the divine in order to manifest it in yourself you know and that's what he's encouraging us to do is

manifest this energy this vibration of the devi and have it in our lives and so we could be able to see her in all we do and in our actions in our thoughts and in everything and and he's really like good about encouraging like the highs and lows in life too like not all the good stuff that happens still it still comes from her it still comes from the divine it still comes from the grace of the divine everything happens by it so he's really good it's not she doesn't sugarcoat it at all you know and he knows how dry and difficult a life like this can be he is very from my from my understanding of him is he's a very he's like a strict guru and it's that is that an accurate description of him uh yeah for lack of a better word he he's direct you know and uh he's he's

he keeps it real 100 you know and he can joke he has a great sense of humor he loves like you know just having talking like friends talk you know and there was a lot of that on this trip which was really sweet and beautiful too but when he gets down to business he gets down to business and he doesn't he doesn't uh he doesn't bend on anything his uh his focus is very strong and he won't be he nothing can really derail him i've never seen him derailed by by some pretty insane obstacles he can't be wow if your friend is feeling bad or mad or damn try cheering them up with a surprise lotion clown surprise lotion clown dot com i want to thank square space for sponsoring this

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gone on with him or every teaching he's taught me there's been a process of purification for sure and it's been very carefully built into me this this purification process you know like he would you know he won't teach you something until you're ready to be to learn it you know yeah so it's that kind of process and he's very careful because he knows that there's a lot of damage a lot of damage can be done in a lot of this work you know you're dealing with like huge amounts of energy and awareness and you know stuff that you know if you're not ready for it it can really throw your life into like a ditch you know yeah well what do you mean a ditch like you mean like because you sort of recognize this transcendent reality it's hard to you disconnect

with the earth you mean or yeah and just like um you know you're constantly have to challenge your mind you know so you're constantly challenging your mind you're challenging your thoughts you're challenging your ego you know just to sit on the floor can be such a battle that's that's the kurukshetta in the Bhagavad Gita is just getting on the floor and sitting still for a moment by kurukshetta he means the battle that the the Bhagavad Gita the battlefield of the yeah the battlefield which is our body yeah you know like uh that that's going on the the battles oh we're always waging the war you know and like the the outward wars that we see happening in society are the inward wars that we're fighting every day you know they manifest on on physical battlefields

just as much as emotional and spiritual battlefield okay this is so i'm getting goosebumps now that you're mentioning this this concept of the battlefield or the field only because this is where i'm at while you're building temples going to the Balkans and mystical caves i'm listening to the Bhagavad Gita audiobook and mowing my lawn so this is my my level but uh which is i'm i'm i like that level but i'm listening to it and clearly i'm this moment was supposed to happen because i got absorbed into a verse that i've always found to be somewhat mysterious and i've wondered if it's a translation issue or something maybe you can help me understand it which is is Krishna is telling Arjuna he's saying there is the field and the knower of the field so you

know that for you know the verse i'm talking about and um i always thought to myself is he meaning like the battlefield or is this more like an an energy field or but is that kind of what you're is that a literal sort of concept which is like your your body is no different from the battlefield of sacred duty in the Bhagavad Gita i think that's a great way of explaining it the field is the self and the knower of the field is the knower of the self and that's the one i think later on in that verse that's who it becomes dear to me i think he says or something like that yes yeah so um yeah i think that's what it is the the field the unified field is the self is consciousness you know we're unified through consciousness in this world to every single aspect of this world

so to know the self is to know the outside world as well okay and and if the mother is consciousness then we're sort of we are the mother then or we are there we're like we're we're there we never left the mother's breast as long as we have consciousness it's like a result of communion even if we don't recognize it yeah that's why i'm climbing mountains to climb into uterus trying to get back in which was amazing to be in the uterus because if you were sitting facing in the cave you enter through the cave mouth and then the uterus is like carved inside the cave so if you were facing it you would get this overwhelming amazing feeling of absorption you know and like this kind of magnetic pull towards it and if you face the other way facing

out looking out into the world it was this sense of birth and expression you know so you were you know there's there was like a dying state and a being born state happening within the cave if you could tune your awareness towards that that is so i've never had that kind of experience through nature you know what i mean like i've gone to sacred rivers i've been to many of quite a few sacred mountains but they've had temples on them this was just like you're in nature and yeah the the the expression of the the people the artists that made these these masterpieces in the caves i did it did take me to sit in there to figure it out but it it taught me like kind of being born from the earth and and going back into the earth in this life and many other lives this

is making me think of one of the weirdest ketamine trips i ever had where some stone elemental like was in a cave gesturing for me to follow it into the cave and then i'm you know in the ketamine vision i'm like oh sure why not why wouldn't you and i followed it in but then i became you know became the cave became the mountain became everything you know it had tricked me or something but that's what it makes me think of is that uh how very close at any given moment a human life is to becoming the earth like it you know we are the earth but i mean fully letting go and merging i just never thought of of it somehow is going back into the womb that's pretty trippy yeah going in going back out you know the the cycle

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the base level reality just pure stone pure yeah they call it getting stung i guess why they call it getting stoned merging with a plate of like cheese fries and a diner at two o'clock in the morning because you're coming down off an LSD you know what when i was on ketamine a cheese fry elemental lured me into a cheese fries i became a cheese fry um so the when what do you when your guru takes you to a place like this and you realize that you know i guess you already understand who you're dealing with but do you wonder like where did he learn to do this where where where did he get the the teaching from to know to come to this cave or to be smart enough to recognize that this cave was a mystical place and to understand how to interact with it like where is

that coming from is that from his guru or is that yeah he has gurus and masters that he he learned from but it's it's a past life thing for sure to me like i've had too many experiences with this soul that i know that we've been connected on different we've been connected in other lives for a long time and i can see the way he he can read a situation or how he he conducts himself like this is a full life's work not just a 75 year work this is thousands of years you know wow this this being's been and you know it's crazy we were visiting and it's funny i picked the a picture you had Duncan had asked me to send some pictures to him and one of the the pictures that i picked was this it was a samadhi of a saint who who is mummified it's one of the few

in india where the the body's actually outside of a tomb because the holy people will become they'll get put into the ground you know and that's where they they maintain the state of samadhi underground so this one's above ground and it's like a mummified samadhi and we went to visit that that place and there was a painting on the wall and there was a painting of a of a one of the the saint's students and it was a it was a painting of my guru like it looked it it looked just like wow and he said he had showed that picture to a to his mom and uh she cried when she saw it because she knew right you know you know that's so i think i've we've talked about this it's worth talking about again but that's one of my favorite neem

curly baba stories is you know he was having darshan and a woman saw him and and started crying and said you're my father's guru you're my father's guru you know and but that would it would have been impossible because of his age for that to happen and then he said to her something along the lines of he started crying and said i went up into the mountains i went up into the mountains and like wow i never heard that story before i was just like whoa yeah i've never heard that yeah well i mean because you know i like it's a it's a recurring theme in guru stories is this sort of like not being sort of um not hanging out in the time stream the way we are it it is Krishna talks about it in the Bhagavad Gita saying as i recall something along the lines of

there was never a time when you did not exist you you know but i can remember i remember you don't that's the difference but but but people who seem to be like truly enlightened they are given the gift of their admission of whatever that kind of amnesia is that sure and and they get hints of it all the time right like people come to them that have been connected to them so they're constantly being reminded of it or um i don't know yeah i i think i think they're very aware of their their past yeah i mean i yeah i think it must i think it's you know whenever i wouldn't advise this necessarily but whenever you feel like playing around with the just kicking around like wonder what it would be like to be enlightened and that's probably a horrible trap

because the more you kind of come up with that version of it probably the further away from it you're gonna get but still just thinking of the difference and in the way that i would act in the world or that my the way my consciousness would manifest if i didn't have amnesia of what happened before this oh yeah yeah um it could be it could be it's like seeing x-ray you know like see it's like being able to see everyone's organs you know or like yeah and like i was i was mentioning samadhi before like the state of samadhi and what they call samadhis like uh these are these are called jiva samadhis where the soul remains even though the body's not functioning in the world anymore and then there's different states of samadhi that you reach through meditation or awareness

and i've met people that have entered the later states of samadhi and chose to come back to either teach or just chose to come back to give blessings and those people are operating on a completely different like they're in the united states they would be put into homes you know like institutionalized in india people recognize them you know and all over the world i know like in in other you know indigenous societies are um though you know a lot of people that might have been viewed as having like a bipolar or multiple personality disorders are the shamans of those villages because they can you know traverse into different worlds but i've met some of these saints they're called siddhas in um in south india and they're just like checked out like they're they don't make

any uh rational sense to us but they're you can tell that they're they're operating in like a different uh dimension but living in this world it's crazy how the indoctrination that happens when you're born in the united states makes you so completely blind to that sort of thing and how the system here is set up in a way that it accidentally maybe not accidentally seems to relegate people like that to institutions it the you know tell you know how many saints and mystics do we have in this country right now who walk around with this diagnosis that they've been given who have this sense of like you know i think it's changing a little bit now like the field of mental health is changing we're coming up with like better ways to talk about it like the

west is just come is just coming to the driveway of what india figured out what any ancient society would figure out but because now we're coming up with um new names to talk about it multiple personality disorder for example it's being changed like now i think they call themselves systems actually you know so it's an acknowledgement of like don't call it a disorder this is one of the ways consciousness manifests and you know my my body has become a kind of like i don't know what you call a fee a field but it there's more than one creature in this field you know and so yeah i know what you're saying it's like um i mean i can't how many if you ever had the thing happen where you're walking down the street you pass someone who is um in another country would be one of

these people you're having some paranoid fantasy thinking about something maybe someone like someone named i've had this happen where i've been thinking like about you know someone named william who i was just thinking about you walk by someone like that and they they just start going william where's william william william you know what i mean but they don't have but they haven't been trained so it's an aberration and you know it's been a very difficult life for them to have to like be able to have that that ability or whatever you want to call it in no cultural reference for depending on where they were born yeah they they're able to see you know um a soul as a soul or or possibly see a spirit or a ghost you know or uh interdimensional being and uh you know then they're drugged and

or you know put in an institution lobotomized yeah yeah yeah so yeah and and you know i don't want to confuse uh people who have achieved um you know some sort of uh amazing yogic initiation with someone who might just be schizophrenic schizophrenic or just but i think there's something there you know that uh these people i think the the ones that i met the cedar's i think they probably started out like probably went to the school and you don't know anything about their history you know but i think or yeah i don't it's a it's a confusing thing because i think there is of course there's a terrible mental health problem in in the world yeah and we just keep adding to it every day but there are people out there that could be confused as out of their

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are all over the news and stuff and you know we were talking about the and he just posted this great instagram video but we were talking about the suppression of ufo reports from people in the military and so there's a physicist talking about in the 50s and 60s there was actually a directive to suppress anyone reporting that they'd seen a ufo and there was actually a fine if you were in the military and you reported it because it was everyone was seeing them and everyone was experiencing it and they didn't want the american people to know that the shit was flying around that the military had no idea what it was and so the information was suppressed similarly uh and i agree with you we do have to make a distinction between people with legitimate like neurological

disorders and things like that and like mistakes i guess but i think there's no reason why anyone couldn't be a mystic regardless of the what circuitry they're running but the the um the the problem is for like if i see a ghost which i've seen i will i will talk about it i'll talk about in the pub podcast i'll tell my meditation teacher you know i remember seeing a friend of mine who committed suicide and you know as you as i see as i've come to understand i see ghosts you know and like not having the not even knowing what to do just looking over in there and really you know see i don't know if you've ever seen a suicide ghost but they're very confused usually they're very confused and they usually think they're in a dream or something have this sense of like they

don't realize that they're dead because probably when they were killing themselves maybe they some of them i don't know was they were already kind of asleep or something i don't know but yes like a crossroads they're the crossroads yes and i remember my meditation teacher very seriously saying you know when you see that you're supposed to tell them they've died like that's the directive is you need to let them know that they're not it's not a dream like you're you're dead you drop there's nothing there to guide them towards it right right well i'm lucky because i'm surrounded by like people like you who i can talk about things like that with without being shamed for it a lot of people don't have that and so when you know and so there is a i i want to say an accidental

suppression happening in the west but i don't know again i'm not sure it's accidental like here it's like there's the the if you are in the wrong company and you start talking about ghosts you're going to get i rolled into the next dimension man you know people are you're not going to get a job like if you're in a job interview and you mentioned i do believe it the existence of ghosts gnomes silk fairies whatever you're like okay you're fucking nuts even though it's a legitimate biome that we just haven't been able to like quantify it subjective reality is what it is you know and everyone's trying to kind of there's a agreed illusion that we all join in each day you know and anything that challenges

that gets tamped down very fast you know like a good example of it is money you know you look at money it's this magic talisman in each of your pockets and uh it's only worth what you believe it to be you know and any once that concept gets challenged it immediately gets put down you know and that's i feel like that it's just to continue this idea of what everyone thinks they are what they could be and what they truly are always gets kind of like it's it's only for the people that for the known you know like that kind of thing right it shouldn't really be esoteric knowledge the fact that there is that kind of suppression of the truth or the the trueness or the awareness of the true reality there comes you know powers you can get powers because

you're you know you start manipulating you know right you know oh my god it's i do it oh my god i do it with forest my two and a half year old because it's like we if we're playing with toys i'll palm something like i'm a horrible magician but when you're dealing with a two and a half year old you're fucking david copperfield man like you it's the most astounding thing they've ever seen because no one's run the awful like you know wiggle your hands distract them with this hand put the ball behind your back where to go oh god it's a true miracle so what you're saying is same thing at a different level which is like if you can if you can like keep people isolated from certain types of information it's going to make you seem that much more astounding when you deliver one of

these miracles that should just be a normal way that humans interact in this dimension yeah wow that's trippy man sorcery it's like sorcerers took over and then like just but that being said any person alive today has access to the same information that you had access to that that vacuumed in you into this path and i mean let's not forget that right now you're sitting in a temple you constructed you're in a temple right now this is your you are a person you are my only friend who has constructed a temple and not like the way i put up temples i'll just like throw a ramdas picture up throw buddha in front of my meditation but you like actually install deities in this temple and that is no small feat because can you talk about like what goes into that

yeah um it's it's a it's a pretty long process um i feel like i you know there were efforts that i made to make this temple occur here in my life but it occurred in my life beyond any of my reach you know it kind of built itself around me and with the help of many friends with the help of my teacher and with the grace of the divine like i couldn't have if it would have been insane for me to even think about five years ago but just being kind of queued into the awareness of like worship in your community can bring great benefit to you and the people around you i started working on this temple but i that that idea didn't like i didn't think that up you know what i mean like it it was brought to me it was given to me and now it's my job to facilitate it and i think

that every one of us builds a temple of some sort and we worship deities all the time it's just which deity do you choose to put the garland on and unfortunately um i do it and i've done it my whole life i've i've put the big garland on the big ego you know and um when you start kind of stepping away from that and realizing that you know your efforts could be you know the ego's always going to be involved and that's i think that's the beauty of a lot of the sanatan dharma all the all the powerful dharmas that are being taught that you don't you don't get rid of the ego you work with the ego you know and you don't put the ego first and uh but when you say sanatan dharma can you let people know what that means that's that's the eternal dharma that's the dharma of

like all the the the vishnavas the shivas the shaktis all of them together the big the big movement towards understanding of the self and the the dance with the people and god and that can it could expand even further out to all the other religions as well but the the continuing teaching the continuing of tradition the continuing of ritual the continue of mantra yantra you know all of it um the pushing it forward that's the dharma that's not the dharma now when you talk about this idea of like hanging the garland on the on whatever deity you choose uh it reminds me a little bit of sort of the earnest homes new thought the the manifestation stuff in other words like and it's in the Bhagavad Gita I mean all these trippy concepts are in this incredible book

but you know those who worship uh the demigods go to the god the demigods those who worship me you know come to me me being you know the divine the divine the identity but there is within buddhism and hinduism this idea of like there's this potential for true whatever you want to call it transcendence eternal liberation but also if you want to you can you know go to other plant you can go to other like celestial planets when you die you can go to the realms of the gods from like building up good merit the same thing that happens on and planet earth which is if you become this is to me one of the great weird paradoxes of generosity is that the more generous you become weirdly the more things come to you like you the more you give away the more you get

and if and then and then you it's like you realize oh this is some form of magic here and it doesn't even seem to care if i'm giving stuff away with the understanding that this will probably bring stuff to me it just is it's like some kind of physics or something so the idea is that that that doesn't just end up with you having good luck for a year straight or getting all these weird synchronicities that lead you to things it can eventually make you eventually you could become a demigod from these sorts of things but then you fall back down into human birth but also you know if you decide to start hanging your garland on cynicism on secularism or hardcore materialism or whatever the fuck it is you're gonna get that too that's the way it's gonna show up

yeah you get all that you know and like it and nothing happens without an exchange you know like you don't ever get anything from nothing you know so wherever you're pointing your direction towards you will you know you will one day reach it you might not reach it the way you thought you were right you know and that's where the mind starts getting involved and starts getting you know that's when you start getting into the jungle of the mind you know and that's why why you see a lot of suffering where you know like when you when you choose those those things to worship you know like where if you choose to worship goodness and there's no mistaking goodness in your life but when you start worshiping the path of the sugary you know the honey path of the easy way

out of all things you're gonna find that it wasn't very easy at all no no i guess that's the division you know like um what you choose to worship and how you get it i i mean to me that's what i love about the idea of god being so generous that it's not like you have to like worship christina according to uh or shiva or it's not like you have to worship the this uh in the traditional sense they're so merciful that the idea is like oh if you just think that i'm death then i will that's what i'll be for you i'll be your death if that's what you if that's how you want to interact with me that's how we'll do it or if you want you know it's all things but it seems like the moment you start recognizing that a natural kind of updraft starts happening right the moment you start recognizing

like even whatever this particular relatively degraded sort of fixation i have on this thing or that thing there is within the potential for liberation when you start realizing what you're fixated on no matter what it may be as vile as it may be which is that other verse i don't know i love talking about the gita with you because you know it uh you know even the vilest of criminals if their minds are absorbed in me will cross over the material will cross through some sorrow as easy as stepping over a puddle something like that but that the absorption into anything isn't that the absorption into god even if you don't recognize that that's god yeah the perpetual motion you know there there's momentum once you start going towards something like that you know

whether you start going towards god or whether you start going towards alcohol there's a momentum that builds up you know and if you know you can through through our perception you can see what the result of each one is you know but uh yeah i think that's what it is that they're like you said uh the stream starts happening and what happens is the flow starts happening because you stop swimming against the stream and you start going with it oh cool because your your mind's gonna talk you out of it any chance it gets yes you know like um and that's something i i'm sure you've learned through meditation like there's so many ways to talk yourself out of just sitting on the ground oh a million reasons to not meditate that's a good book

um a million reasons not to meditate it's boring it hurts you're gonna look like an idiot don't do um your friends are gonna make fun of you know your family way you're gonna annoy the shit out of everybody when you get too happy and they're all depressed um but you know again that's another for me like that's something that uh i love experimenting with is because you know my ego it always wants me to be right it wants to win it it wants to it has this insane idea that you know almost it's better to be just a walking defense mechanism than vulnerable and so anytime i've managed to like go with the flow of love anytime my defense mechanisms are up and there's a chance to be right but instead you just start truly just opening up to somebody

who's you know and saying like you know i really want you to love me and i really want to love you and i want instead of like the the the defense mechanism talk which is like you know what's wrong with you why are you at you know what i mean when you drop down into that place it is an it's an alternate dimension it's like obvious when you're in the dimension of vulnerability and love whether it's sitting on the floor meditating or no longer doing the sort of circular whatever habitual karmic patterns in your life that's a result of you constantly trying to be right or constantly trying to like affirm a reality that is even there holy holy holy god like it's the most incredible thing it's not all i'm saying is i you know how they say there's six

degrees of separation between you and any person i think there's six degrees of separation between you and building it any person in building it having a temple grow out of him yeah sure yeah or there's six six degrees of separation for me becoming president you know like yeah anything but you know i think what you're talking about too is the the way you start experiencing things when you start experiencing them through the heart and not through the mind yeah you know yeah because because you sit on you sit on the floor and you meditate because you love yourself you sit on the floor and you meditate because you love god because you love the stillness you love the peace and you don't sit on the floor and meditate because you think

that it's a waste of time or that you think that you're not good enough or that the body starts talking and the body hurts or you know or I don't have an I have other obligations you know what I mean no yeah that doesn't none of that comes from the heart you know no that'll come that's that's things talking to you out of that stillness which is true love awareness yeah yeah that's it and and that true love awareness it's some kind of beacon right it's like it's not like it's not you go at it alone that long like dropping down in the heart help comes quickly like it's whenever I'm praying whenever my life gets so much better when I'm regularly praying like and it's not like it's like you know working out takes a long time sadly to like get in shape

but communicating with god through prayer for me it's like lightning it's so fast how how quickly things happen in that way you know I mean I just I think it's important for people to recognize like I think with meditation sometimes it can feel like a solitary sort of thing but for me whenever I add into it the component of and also this is me opening up to god oh wow what a change yeah yeah definitely and that's why like I like I really like you know chanting mantra because you're glorifying god through the names of god and the syllables of god and but I do like also love silent meditation too because you know I I can focus my mind on that stillness that is still god too and that's another stage of god that's god beyond the concept of god that's god beyond the

picture of god beyond the color the smell of god it's the the the consciousness of god so there's different ways to find that love for god through loving yourself whether it be mantra meditation breaking leaves listening to the Bhagavad Gita while you're mowing your lawn you know yeah performing on stage connecting with people there's so many different ways you know but as long that's all loving in the heart and the the idea of love that that's when you start to get into like contractual love like well he'll love me if I do this she'll love me if I do that I love her so much she should be doing it you know and that's not love that's the mind so oh my god that's the mind's like hideous shitty impression of love like you know like that's the mind's like

ape impression of this incredible thing it's the agreement you know or the con yeah yeah like the business of love oh my god which it it does exist because we we have to use our minds you know so that there is that you know that's how you manage your relationships and things like that but if the heart's not driving the chariot you're in for a big big disappointment right the heart driving the chariot yeah that's Krishna and and what a I mean it from you know I think the benefit of being in your head and proud of it for most of your life is it's like what's it's I don't know if you've ever seen those sad videos of when they let the laboratory monkeys out of a laboratory like when they've been rescued and I mean I'll I'll cry thinking about if there's a beautiful video

of these monkeys when they realize they're outside for the first time they hug each other they're so happy and then they're like you know they're free it's that same feeling when you realize fuck I don't have to live up in this tiny shitty room up at the very top of my identity when you drop down into that place it is like a blindfold has been taken off of your eyes or something and you do find yourself in a really much much much more beautiful world and you don't get hurt no one's exploits you like you think what's gonna happen yeah you move out of the mental ghetto of your mind into the high rise of your heart and this is like right yeah and I've done it I've moved from shitty apartments to beautiful homes and what a feeling so you can do that in

your life on a daily level wow yeah what an opportunity you know because it doesn't matter what fucking beautiful home you're living in if you're up in your head that home's gonna suck it's you're gonna see everything wrong with it you're gonna be freaked out probably by the mortgage or whatever it is that you're paying for the neighbors are gonna be loud yeah yeah grass isn't gonna grow you could be in your heart in just about any situation I mean I can think of a few I wouldn't want it doesn't matter it still sucks you know but most situations it's a it's a beautiful thing um you bring me into my heart it you know I want to I think some people probably have some questions but I wondered if maybe I don't want to mess the phone situation up but can you show

people your temple a little bit or is it not for yeah yeah I can't see I don't have a monitor of myself oh if you if you move like you're I think you're if you move your head a little to your left yeah so that's their lingam wow that's the Shiva lingam let's try to go up and see the Divine Mother Kali can you see her yeah wow there she is and then Lord Ganesh over there can you see him yeah okay and then you know this is the temple and each of those deities you spent how long how long do you install each one um the the installation was just in a day but um then afterwards there was a certain ritual that I had to maintain my group uh installed the deities and then I had to maintain for 30 to 40 days uh worship of each one and then

then my regular now like what my schedule is now of how I worship them which is a couple days a week you're an incredible person man oh you're an incredible person we're all incredible people come on man well we haven't even talked about your tattoo art um okay so uh by the way for those of you maybe aren't familiar with Robert Ryan the greatest um I don't know what the correct term for tattoo artist is but it has to be the greatest tattoo artist on the planet right now like you that's super super subjective um but yeah I've been tattooing a long time and I love doing it and I love making tattoos on people so Angel is saying watch his vice um okay so now just to be clear we're still on the right schedule with you it's 11 18 do you have I got 20 more minutes

20 more minutes okay beautiful um I think everybody here probably has some questions for you if you haven't asked a question y'all there's an ask a question area where you can ask and then it gets upvoted I'm going to dive in and see what questions you might have for um Robert Ryan um and by the way Robert uh this is something that popped up earlier that definitely counts as a question when we were talking about gurus or the disciplic succession or your guru having some familiarity with the like these rituals via some access to past life memory or however you want to put it someone was asking yeah but where how far back does it go like you know where does it come from ultimately uh adi guru is lord Shiva he was the first guru and there's a discussion between

him and parvati his wife where he just he explains the the meaning of the guru and uh what happened was a a group of sannyasis who are people who um have given their life to god had passed and lord Shiva bowed to them and uh parvati was like how come you're bowing there they worship you and he said no no I worship the guru because he's the one he's the light of you know that in all people he bring the guru liberates the person from darkness to light and that's why lord Shiva bows to him so Shiva is the first guru so that they say from the original the primordial sound of ohm that's the guru beautiful and also I'm sorry but Shiva does smoke marijuana right yeah um you know there's there's a big division of of that where a lot of like the more orthodox folks don't

think that he does but I know in the story that I told last time was on your podcast where he swallowed the poison yes they they used bang which is marijuana to to massage his throat after he had done that and I believe that you know the the depictions of him smoking a chillum it's to to illustrate that he's outside of society he's that primordial energy he's he's a natural man he's actually like he he doesn't wear the flower garland all the stuff on him is is like seeds and snakes you know so he doesn't wear jewelry or anything like that so he's like of the earth so it's one of those other aspects but yeah there there's a connection between marijuana and lord Shiva but you know it gets people argue about it and it's not an argue that I would like to have oh yeah okay yeah I know

well yeah I think I think it's I think it's definitely that I've I've spent enough time with sadhus that they they worship that that plant as as the goddess you know I smoked out of marijuana out of a chillum at a Shiva temple in Varanasi I told you and I knocked I think I did the same one yeah knocked a picture of Shiva off the wall can't take you anywhere man I never will forget it I was it's like that's my karma I'm sitting there no that's that's Shiva that or Debbie that's her showing you like wake up wake up man you're not you're not here just to smoke pot oh no I was so before I was so hypnotized by the monsters they were singing and I was having that beautiful experience that you get to have when you chant mantras which is an immense familiarity

a feeling of coming home but also you return to your little identity here and you're like what the fuck how do I why do I feel like I'm at Thanksgiving dinner with my family I I'm in a temple on the banks of the Crunchies River what is this this can't be Thanksgiving Uncle Albert is here what is this and then that's when I lean back knocking the Shiva temple picture off the wall they were sweet though they just told me to move away from the picture yeah yeah and you know what that is too that's as soon as you started questioning yourself yeah and that's I'm sure that happens to you when you're performing on stage right oh my god played music on stage once I started like do I know this song that's when I start clamming you know and like yep knocking the picture off the wall

that's the name for it from now on not bombing I knocked the Shiva picture off the wall um okay here's a question from my friend Drew Lewis who is a comedian very funny is the divine mother in Sophia of the Gnostics the same thing yes absolutely absolutely and I think the the the caves that I was visiting are highly connected to the Gnostics and and that story and I could share with him maybe later or through you because there's the name Sophia was definitely part of that experience really that was having yeah yeah whoa yeah yeah yeah yeah and uh and I I had asked my um my guru about about that about the the Gnostics if he felt that that if there was Christianity happening in those caves if he thought it was the Gnostics and he was like oh

absolutely whoa I guess because that's that's where you start to see that's the the ones of belief in Christianity you know the Gnostic Christians where they worship the divine mother not as Mary that's something else that's Sophia hmm what it's it's it's much more aligned with like the the Shakti worship in in India do you think you could do a a millisecond description of what Sophia is in Gnosticism for folks listening might not know what it what it means yeah a real amens I'm not nearly well versed with it but it's um Sophia is what is like the high goddess in the uh worship in the Gnostics and she had a son whose name was Yael the Baoth who is half lion half serpent and the story was that she wanted him to be the the all one god and she hit him in a

cloud for his entire life and kept him away from society and kept him away from the rest of the things that were happening so in his mind he was God um and that's where you get the the term blind idiot god from Yael the Baoth and um so it sets up this story where Christ contends with the Yael the Baoth and that's where we find out who the one true consciousness is are we the Yael the Baoth is that yeah we're yeah the children of chaos that's what it that's what it um uh translates to the the the son of Sophia the the child of chaos and I'm sure I just butchered that story pretty hard but I'm sure there's some Gnostics that can expand on it and uh correct me and maybe let people know what's up but it's definitely Sophia is that divine mother absolutely here's a

here's a question this is a cool one has your guru ever sent you into tears of ecstasy that's from the new druid yeah yeah yes tears of ecstasy and tears of shame not not he didn't shame me I was ashamed myself that I wasn't being uh totally attentive to what he was teaching me and I realized like oh my god I can't believe I was missing this you know this this this real potent message so here but more tears of ecstasy and tears of joy and tears of laughter but then also tears of my own demise well that's a beautiful kind of you know those tears are cool I mean you know when people hear shame these days they're like that's terrible but like I think what you're talking about is um oh god why am I talking about the bug

of like it's because I would just have been listening to it but the uh so you know Arjuna Arjuna recognizes Krishna as the universal form and then there's the response is a series of apologies like you know you know the verse I'm talking about yeah yeah as your friend I'm sorry I'm sorry is yeah and he's begging him to go back to his regular form because he just can't even hang with the universal form yeah yeah that I think that must be a common experience with it with true teachers is that at some point your life starts getting better sweetening you start waking up again or becoming alive again and you realize there isn't any amount of anything you could have given someone that could possibly repay them for what they've given you you know and then

in those moments you're like thinking of all the times you were sarcastic or didn't pay attention or other times you're like oh my oh my god I'm I I'm so sorry taking the work for granted and just like assume that you know things are going to be a certain way just like keeping all our expectations onto something that's being shared with no pretense of reward for them you know like none they don't need the the gurus of the world don't need to be to need to be gurus they're gurus for us you know they could they could have chose to get off the the the cycle a long time ago they come back you know the Dalai Lama keeps coming back you know he doesn't have to yeah it's like the same way that gods don't need flowers and incense and flames offered to them that's for us

that's so we see them yeah in ourselves in our actions in our in our worship in our prayers you know they don't need that gods don't need anything you're god you don't need anything and that's what a true sadhu is is someone with who's without needs an efficient person it's not it's not a guy dressed up outside of temple in orange you know it's anybody that has the efficiency to live with beyond needs it's a remarkable thing it's like imagine you've learned to swim you're a I don't know when people usually learn to swim however old you are and instead of enjoying the the pool that you've been excited about swimming around in you keep coming back to the kiddie pool to teach other people how to swim that's pretty cool you know yeah that's like the coolest thing that's what

these people are doing they don't have to be in this like dramatic vortex of confusion they can they can go and and they stay longer than they need to sometimes sometimes their bodies are you know in a lot of pain and they stick it they stick it out because because they love they they want to help so much it's a really incredible thing to even know someone who knows to know you who knows someone like that it's like the cool you can feel it you know you feel their energy through their students okay thank you for that oh let's do let me see what we're doing here I do know we it's 11 30 what it was a time again 11 11 45 okay 10 or 15 more minutes okay beautiful so gage dizzle wants to know if you bathe your deities yeah and that's what's called abhishek

which means the ritual bathing of the deities the one that I bathe here is the shiva lingam because it's set up this tank here catches the water so I bathe it with water milk ghee honey yogurt and some powders some sandalwood powder some sacred ash and rose water wow yeah so that that's that's a in each step of the bathing of the deity is supposed to be a reflection of the bathing of your soul you know I when I when I was going to the hard christian temples and watching it highly recommend anyone who can see that ritual why it's the most beautiful thing to see and then I remember so I was familiar with what it looked like then I walked into a forest room when my wife was putting lotion on him when he you know which is part of the bedtime ritual is

you like yeah you rub lotion into them and like you're watching it it's so much more than just like I don't know when I put lotion on myself a kind of haphazardly slapping around I don't even know why I'm doing this you're looking at the mother like it's love go like like it's like watching someone work with clay or watching this like and you recognize oh my god it's the oldest I am watching one of the oldest things there is that's how what you're bathing the deities I think it's like and I it's like the same thing it's totally the same thing yeah yeah it's like because when you're when people are bathing the deities it's not like they're doing it with love like when it you know is that correct when I'm yeah love and and and total attention because

there's like the process of the abhi shake them it's pretty you know they're they're simple versions of it but for for the big ones you know there's a lot of steps that you need to do to do this correctly to to maintain the energy and yeah so it's an attentiveness to the reflection of god within you like uh because it could just be pouring water over a stone sure you know to an outside to someone who's looking from the outside but from someone who's an aspirant you're bathing the god within you and that that's that's what the ritual is designed to do is to make you more aware of that and uh you'll I've noticed when I started doing the abhi shake them to the shiva lingam that I started kind of using that approach and a lot of the things I do in my my day-to-day

activities yeah like right do you do that with your um uh where you give tattoos do you do totally yeah that that's where I started really kind of incorporating it you know in the in the process working on another person you know kind of treating them the way that I would like to be treated um keeping them clean and safe and um trying to do my best to adorn them in the best way possible uh yeah that that that's for me it works like when I come in here to record you know if I like spend some time like not just cleaning it but cleaning it thinking like you know I hope this becomes a place for inspiration or it's a it's a completely different feeling you know and and it's yeah that's so cool man you hear stories about Lee Perry doing that in the studio at the

black arc the you know the dub um guy he would like put incense and feathers and all the empty ports and stuff like that and offer fire to all the input jacks and everything like that just like just to get it ready for what he is about to do I mean yeah like people like ask you know remember when they found that that that guy was like working on that old buccalous synth and like got high because someone had put an lsd crystal in there and he touched it I never heard that story yeah and some people were like why would you put an acid crystal in a synthesizer it's like you've never fucked with a synthesizer if you have to ask that question it's clear acid I bow to my synthesizers I really do I'm not ashamed to admit it um so let me look through here

here's a great question and I'm going to try to pronounce emel emel emel six sila do you have any advice for balancing thoughts of how so much of life is illusory and how we're just stuck to a rock floating through space with functioning like a real person in society I often find that it's really hard for me to participate in a lot of society stuff because everything seems so fake but I also feel like I'm missing out on a lot I think the first question you have to ask is who who's asking that question you know like where's that question coming from and that question's coming from a place of unchanging um reality you know what and so when you start kind of looking at yourself as like

I can go into these uh illusions in the world I can I can live in this world with all this chaos and craziness that's going on and I could still be myself I could still find my center I can still find peace in my heart so through through the work of yourself you know like and and that question is occurring for a reason you know like that that's coming out of somewhere that's coming from an awareness of yourself so the self's not going to change you know the the the adventure suit wears out you take on a new one you know like um the the days go on you know your body's changing but the the you isn't changing you know and it once you start to become a little bit more familiar with yourself in that way that you can't be really moved you really can't be stained by all those

things that drive you crazy about going out in the world it's it's not going to have the same kind of effect on you thank you I hope that I hope that helps out that is good advice no they just wrote that doesn't help no I hope it does help and like and that's something I've dealt with my whole life I came through that that world you know like I came through the the anti world the anti heroes I worship at the punk rock altar and I still do you know I love I love the you know rooting for the bad guys even um yeah but you know like I struggled with the world and I still I'll continue to struggle with the world but I struggle a little bit less when I know why I'm struggling with work Robert Ryan thank you so much thank you so much for being here with us and for like all the technical

problems in the first 30 minutes they didn't witness for your divine patience that sounds that seemed like a lifetime ago didn't it yes it was a different reality can you um some people I think are speculating they might be close to your shop um if folks wanted to um maybe get a tattoo or folks just want to connect with you at all how can they reach you um in the physical I work in electric tattoo in asbury park new jersey on the jersey shore it's a beautiful town um I take walk-ins on saturday it's first come first serve cool um and uh you know as long as I can do it within like a two-hour slot I can I can do your tattoo as a walk-in if you want to make an appointment you can reach out to me through Instagram it's Robert Ryan 323 and or you can email me there's

a link for the email there you know you can find me I'm online too so uh if you want to set up appointment you can do that if you have any kind of questions about what we talked about today I'd be I'll do my best to answer them in a timely fashion thank you all the links you need to find Robert will be at Dunkin Trussell dot com howdy christina robert ryan howdy christina dunkin trussell howdy bow howdy bow that was robert ryan everybody you can find him at robert ryan 323 and a big thank you to hello fresh square space and better help for supporting this episode of the DTFH and of course most importantly thank you for listening I'll see y'all next week hope you have a wonderful weekend or week

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