Duncan Trussell Family Hour - 549: Lil Yachty

Episode Date: January 30, 2023

Lil Yachty, brilliant rapper and creator of a new, face-melting psych/rock album, joins the DTFH! You can hear Lil Yachty's new album, Let's Start Here., everywhere you listen to your music. Check it out on Spotify, Apple Music, and Amazon Music. Original music by Aaron Michael Goldberg. This episode is brought to you by: Athletic Greens - Visit AthleticGreens.com/Duncan for a FREE 1-year supply of vitamin D and 5 FREE travel packs with your first purchase! This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/duncan and get on your way to being your best self. Lumi Labs - Visit MicroDose.com and use code DUNCAN at checkout for 30% Off and FREE Shipping on your first order!

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You're welcome. I'm glad I could help. Let me know if there's anything else I can assist with. There absolutely is. Lil Yachty just put out the most face-melting Psych Rock album ever. And he's a guest on my podcast. I was wondering if you could introduce him, but in the voice of Jimi Hendrix. Hey man. This is Jimi Hendrix coming at ya. And I gotta say, there's a young cat making some noise in the music scene.

His name is Lil Yachty. And this dude has just released a Psych Rock album that's really knocking my socks off. Man. He's got some crazy energy and a unique sound that's got me feeling it. You know what I'm sayin'? So turn it up. Let's get into the psychedelic trip with Lil Yachty. Alright, well. Look, it's still got some evolving to do, but holy shit, it sure as hell helped me make a creepy song.

Now, before we jump into this episode of Lil Yachty, I would like to invite all of my Nashville friends to come see me and the brilliant William Montgomery. Do stand-up comedy. We're gonna be at Zanies in Nashville. The second, third, and fourth of February. Also, if you want commercial free episodes of this podcast, you can find them at patreon.com. Alright everybody, let's dive into this thing. He has just released an insane album that you've gotta listen to. It's called Let's Start Here.

It's on all the streaming services. This is a beautiful face-melting dive into psych rock, but it's way more than that. It's incredible. Again, it's Let's Start Here. You can find it everywhere. Now everybody, welcome to the DTFH. The brilliant Lil Yachty. That you are with us.

Shake hands. No need to be blue. Welcome to you. It's been Duncan Tassel. Lil Yachty, welcome to the DTFH. I gotta tell you man, I am so excited to talk to you. I can't believe we are talking at all. So, hello. It's really nice to meet you.

Hello, likewise. Matt asks, so did you start in stand-up comedy? Yes, I did at the comedy store. Okay. Where's that in LA? That's in LA. Yeah, that's in LA. That's Polly Shore's mom was this sort of guru of comedy.

And she created this place called the Comedy Store, which she wanted to be an artist colony for comics. So it was always and probably still is just a mad house where you get to perform and learn how to do stand-up. You know, it sounds cheesy to say a lot of comics consider it a kind of temple. It's a cult. Stand-up comedy is really, as I'm sure you know, is a really bizarre profession. Yeah. There's no clear cut path other than getting on stage as much as you can. And so it's sort of a place designed to like weed out people who aren't willing to go through the difficulties involved in like getting stage time.

And which is a midsy looked at that as a compassionate act, you know, even though many comedians thought they were being tortured by getting like spots at 1am for a year straight. A spot at 1am is bad. Oh God, what time do you start performing usually? Like when do you go on stage when you're doing shows? Like 8.39. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

8.39. That's a nice time to perform. So 1am. 1am. When you go on stage at 1am and you are, it's like you have been in line at one of those like disgusting porn conventions where like 50 people get to hump somebody. And you're like one of the last couple of people except in this case that person is the audience. The audience has been, they've, has been made love to the audience has been fucked. The audience has been insulted.

And then you have to go up in front of hammered people hammered and try to make them laugh. And so that was part of her deal. I've never really thought too deep into it. And I didn't, that's fucked. It's fucked. But it makes you good. It makes you good because it's like, if you could make an audience of drunks at 1 30am, who have seen maybe Chris Rock, who've seen Dave Chappelle, who've seen Louis CK that night. If you can get even a slight laugh out of them, then when you do finally work your way up to a normal audience, then you've, you're probably pretty good.

Like, you know how to, how to work with the energy. Yeah. 100%. Have you ever thought about it? You ever thought about it? Don't stand up. Yeah. Absolutely not.

I love laughing though, and I love jokes. And I'm over. I'm like, kind of like, it's interesting. Like, one thing I do do is if I'm doing a show, which is really rare, it's really rare, but if I'm doing a show and the energy is just like really low and they're just not like just not turning up with me. I do then start doing jokes. You know, it's something I do. I got like, like if I'm just like in front of a crowd that is just super still, I just start telling jokes and like cracking jokes to like ease the crowd up, especially if it's like a group of people just like licking real tough or just trying to be like, super like, I don't know, it's like a, like a man. It's like, I don't move.

Yeah. It's like a stamp. I'm just tough. And I start cracking some jokes to listen to people and let them know like, hey man, I'm like, you know, I'm a human just like you. A lot of people sometimes tend to think that celebrities or musicians aren't human. You know, or like just like, you know, celebrities are just like slightly different. And like, don't have emotions. Don't have emotions or don't have feelings or don't, you know, like operate, you know, don't like privacy or, or since we're a celebrity or public figure that we should be used to not having any privacy.

Yeah. We should understand our privacy being compromised to, you know, admit you at dinner to want to take a picture, you know, or to like, I've just been broken up with your girlfriend. Still, hey, can you take signers out of grab, you know, or whatever, you know, just like in the moment of anything like it's like, fuck what you're going through. I'm here and I see you and I want whatever I want. Yeah. You're like a mall Santa Claus. That's just wandering the world. They see you.

There's no sense of like, oh, that's a human. They're just like, let me sit on your lap. Can I tell you what I want? I mean, again, I'm, I'm, I'm guessing this is not my daily experience, but I can't imagine for you what that is like. And I've certainly have friends where I've witnessed this reality and you realize like, oh my God, what a strange trap you've managed to get yourself into. It's like you've gotten into this odd thing that like, you know, how do you even come? It's like you, even though it is lonely, lonely, you feel dehumanized. Absolutely.

At times. You complain about it, but you can't to complain about it. No, you can't. No, you can't. No, no, no, no. That's that, that's that gray area because I mean, any, any complaint just makes you look. I don't know. Away.

It's like, oh, it's like, oh, the rich celebrity, you know, and you know, like, I don't know. But I see another thing is I've never been a person to complain ever. You know, I've always understood no matter what the situation was, I was still blessed. You know, like, I like, I haven't, I haven't been a celebrity musician for my entire life in 25. I started at 17. I took off at 18. So six months after I graduated high school, but 17 years in my life, I lived in the same house with my mother and my sister, with my sister wasn't born yet, 17 years.

But I was my mother and my sister, and I lived a normal life. And I was a regular kid, you know, so my life changed overnight. And so no matter what I've ever went through in my seven years of doing music, I've, I've never, I try rarely to ever stress or get mad or upset or anything, even when something's happening, because I just, it's always on my implementing my mind like, man, I am blessed even people have this type of problem to be in the situation. Right. You know?

Yeah, totally. Yeah. And also what does complaining do? I mean, it doesn't really, it's ineffective in correcting whatever it is that's fucked up in your life, at least God, if only it worked. Wouldn't that be great if just complaining about shit, correct, just a problem? Yeah. No, that would be actually crazy.

But it doesn't. Except for, except for depending on and certain situations, like maybe like when you have some, when you're complaining to someone who cares, you know, like whether it's your girlfriend or your wife or, or someone who actually gives a shit about what you're complaining about, then maybe that leads to a conversation of, you know, cause and effect, like how can we fix this? Yeah, that's true. I mean, yeah, you should.

It's definitely good to, with the people closest to you to let them know what's bugging you. I'm just talking about that. I don't know if you do this, but you ever wake up in the morning and go, fuck this. Fuck this. This is fucked. I don't want to do a day, another day. That does not, that does nothing. As far as I can tell, it just sets your day off.

I have to ask. Sets your day off. Sets your day way off. Now I want to jump into the deep water with you. I have a limited time here and you've done LSD over a hundred times, over a hundred times you've taken LSD. Now that is an admirable accomplishment for someone who is 25. I think it took me, it took me a few more years to reach that number.

I wasn't quite there because there's a lot of things, you know, I think part of it is because of your, where you're at. It's easier to obtain LSD. Now look, I'm not going to go old man on you here, but you must understand, y'all are existing in a great time in human history. When I was coming up, there was an LSD drought. I don't know if you ever heard of this. People don't really talk about it.

There was an LSD boom, which was this, there were some people literally in an underground missile silo. Yeah, I know that. Yes. So that was just acid everywhere. They were very, was this, was this around the time when they were like trying to ban it? This, no, this was post prohibition prohibition. Yes.

So when the CIA introduces LSD to everybody, they're trying to come up with a mind control drug. And so they're testing it at universities. They give acid to college kids around your age. You know what that's going to do. It's going to make you want more LSD. This spawns the sixties. You could argue this is part of what sort of informs the sixties.

This is kind of what I want to get into with you, but you probably know when you take LSD, your relationship with the material world radically shifts stuff that seemed important. You doesn't seem quite as important anymore. And so if you're running a cover, if you're in a government trying to run a capitalist market economy, you're like, don't let the kids take acid. They're not going to want to go to work. They don't care about money. They won't want to go to war.

Prohibition, this leads to it goes underground. And then you get these mysterious LSD chemists who had to be very careful because, and they still do because it's a five year mandatory minimum prison sentence if you get caught with it. And I think that may have changed in some states. I don't know. Anyway, my point is we had a boom and then a bust. And so you couldn't even find acid for a long time.

So for you to, when I heard, oh my God, he's taken acid over a hundred times that made me think, wow, he's got some good connections probably. And I bet the acid that you're taking is not bad. I bet it's pretty good. Yeah, you know, the thing, I think the thing was I was, I was, okay, so I'm black, obviously. Yes. So in my culture in Atlanta, Georgia, let's say five years ago, acid was no one even knew what it was.

You know, like it was unheard of, you know, like maybe a couple of people may have knew what shrooms were of acid. Nobody knew what LSD was. And if you told someone like I'm doing acid, they would look at you like a fucking methad. Like, oh my God, you're an acid. You basically got second to crack. You know, so like, you know, people like people are really closed minded in my community. Like, oh, no, we smoke weed, you know, some people did, you know, actually maybe Molly,

but acid was unheard of, you know, until like now, but five 2017, you know, when I first started doing it, it was unheard of. And I'm saying so like, man, I would when I found some people to get it from me, I would buy it in like sheets. So I have hundreds. And at the time I lived with like 15 of my best friends in this huge house. We had two houses on this property and it was closed off and had this beautiful garden and it was crazy.

And I was so successful that I just like had a shit ton of money. I was like 19, 20 years old and I had a lot of off time. You know, so like we were just doing it every week. And I was just learning so much about life and my brain and myself. And I was growing into this man because at the same time I'm transitioning from a boy, a teenager, you know, to a man and experiencing this shit. And it's just like, and then doing it all these years up until, you know, fucking shit where we are now, I've just like, it's evolved me into such a person I'm so proud of, you know,

it involved me to being this guy, this man who just views everything in a certain way. And I'm so proud of it because I don't feel like I'm doing, I don't do anything because someone else told me to. I don't think a certain way because it was instilled in my brain at a young age. Like I do everything and think whatever I think based on because I wanted to do it, you know, and I don't know if I would have been that same way all the way. If I wasn't to start doing LSD. Yeah, yeah, it's, you know, I can remember having that moment where I was freaked out

by the reality that this was something that is illegal. Like I remember, and also when I, you know, when I was in high school and I was in my high school doing LSD, this was like, you know, pre Internet, there was no ability to sort of research the history of it, what it was, what it's doing to your brain. And so there was a massive propaganda campaign by the US government. And so, you know, they would just tell you if you take this stuff more than three times you will go insane, you will go completely bonkers and that's what people thought. So same thing, you had to be very careful about who you told that you were like using

the substance because they didn't differentiate it from PCP, from heroin or from any of the like other drugs out there and they would treat you differently. But yeah, that was my sort of, that was a real interesting moment for me when you realize like my God, the US government is actively suppressing something that seems to be really good for you. It's not making me less connected. It's not making me less, well, I wasn't productive. I was in high school.

I hated it. But you know what I mean? It's not driving me nuts. It seems to be making me happier, more connected with the world. And yet it's prohibited. That was a really scary moment. That's a scary thing to this day. It's still like, why with so many great reports out there, why?

Why is it still illegal? Why isn't it at least rescheduled or something? Did you ever have that thought, those thoughts across your mind? No, I haven't. But if I think about it, I always just assume it's something that government can't control. Right. And when you're able to tap into that side of your brain, I think it's just scary. I think people want, I think the higher-ups want people to stay down, stay feet to the

ground, stay on the floor, because it's just safest for them. Right. And I think a lot of people don't know anything. I feel like it's a certain type of crowd, demographic of people, like just age group and people in certain jobs for career fields, that when they don't know something or something that they've been told is bad, they do no research. It's just deem it as that. Right.

Like, oh, it's a drug. That's it. I don't care. I don't care what it does. No, that's a drug. Drugs are bad. That's it. You know?

Yeah. They put it all in one stupid box. And yeah, you know what, if you and I were the head of the Illuminati, which hopefully one day we will be, you know what I mean? I don't know. Would we be like, yeah, let them all take acid. Let them all just get their minds blown and merge with the universe and experience a remission of their egoic tendencies.

Who the fuck is going to do the, you know, this is an old hippie, Maxim, who does the dishes? This is like the big question. Who's going to do the dishes? Who does, this is to me where psychedelics do sort of where there could be a problem with psychedelics, which is that because of the gift they give you, freedom from identity or freedom from the little eye, the gift of your true nature, your birthright, you're part of the universe.

You're part of everything. This can cause you to sort of like, or maybe not you, but some people potentially to be like, yeah, so why do I need to like do all the mundane earth realm shit? Like why? What's the point? I'm going to become a hermit. I'm going to go off into the mountains. I'm going to stop working.

I'm just going to like try to exist in this place. But why is that a problem? Well, this, the saying, who does the dishes? It came from Tim Leary and Richard Alper, who are the professors who like got fired for giving acid to their students and who later went on to become like, you know, psychedelic luminaries. One of them a spiritual teacher, Ram Dass, the other one, Tim Leary, the tune in turn on drop, drop out guy, but somebody went over to their house.

So they've been on an acid bender, probably similar to yours is what I'm guessing. I've got a feeling, man. I can tell. I see. I don't think I've gone as deep as you've gone with that stuff. Like there's a place where I'm like, you know what, I'm fine here. I'll stay in the driveway. You guys go inside.

But you know, they, they, their tolerance had gotten to the point where they were drinking it. They're drinking it out of, you know how powerful it is, man, like to just be, to take shots of like liquid LSD is like crazy. So anyway, someone went to their house, roaches everywhere, bugs everywhere, dishes piled up in the fucking sink. They're like, you know what I mean? They're, they don't care.

They're, they have like completely like merged with the universe via this wonderous substance. And that's where the saying came, came from. And that's why we, you know, part of being human is we must maintain our, like, our we have to shit. We have to eat. We have to do all of these things that are not exciting. And so, yeah, it's, you know, I think it's all about finding a way to balance those two. Well, I think, I think as a, as an individual, you should be entitled to doing whatever it

is you want to do with your life, greed, you know, so if you don't want to wash the dishes, I feel like you have your own right to do that in your own personal space. Sure. You know, that's why I feel like it should be legal because I feel like who's to tell who, what to do, when and where, you know, if they don't want to wash dishes, if they don't want to go to work or don't want to work for the man or want to live light-sided in the trailer somewhere, who's to say they can't do that? You know, I just hate the, I hate when people abuse power.

I respect people of power and with power and I respect having power, but I don't, I do not appreciate people who abuse it and tell people what they can and can't do. And because their life and life is so short. Yes. You only get so much time on this earth to walk around and enjoy the wonders of life before you die, you know, and so I don't, I don't, I just don't feel it's fair to tell people what they can and can't do with their minimized time on earth. I want to thank Athletic Greens for supporting this episode of the DTFH.

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As co-leader of the Illuminati here by Declare, LSD is now legal as ordered by Lil Yachty. They're absolutely not. Absolutely not. I didn't order that. That's fucking hilarious. That'd be amazing if this is how we had our meetings. I knew it was that easy. And it was that easy.

You just like, OK, call Klaus Schwab. We'll do legal lass and see what happens. Last time we tried that, I guess it made some good music. I'll see what happens. We'll see whatever, fuck it. So you you have like a fabulous incarnation. You're you have this you're like it's crazy. Like if you ever do the math, you ever do that?

Like you were talking earlier about being grateful for where you're at. But do you ever do the math of how absolutely improbable it is that any given person should like experience the career that you have had, that any person on earth should have that like, you know, with stand up comedy, man. It's like it takes a long time, a long time. Like I can't imagine what that could do to a comic if like within six months. All of a sudden it's like, oh, yeah, everyone fucking loves you.

Oh, yeah, you are a star. Oh, yeah, you're hanging out with fucking Drake. Oh, yeah, you're do you ever do that math? And like like if you do do that math, like does it freak you out, man? Like, how do you make it make sense? What matter? What matter am I doing the math of how fast my life turned around?

Or what exactly are you saying? I'll be a little more specific in Buddhism. They say to understand how rare it is to take human birth. Imagine ocean. There's floating on the ocean as a board. The board has a tiny hole in it. And the the odds of taking human birth are the same odds that one turtle living in the ocean should stick its head up out of the water through that hole in the one

board floating in the water, very rare, incredible, just to be human. It's considered to be one of the most precious incarnations you could take. But then to become any form of human is incredible, any form from the wealthiest billionaire to somebody who's just like wandering, you know, wandering the streets, still all of it incredible. But then to take a human birth and achieve fame, success, fame, wealth and not just that, but to be able to create art as a job. Oh, my God, man.

And very precious, very strange. So for me with psychedelics, anytime I look at the fact that I get to do this is a job. Sometimes I'll think to myself, is this a simulator? Is this some kind of video? Yeah, it's funny you say that, man. You know, you have to have a certain type of mindset to even be able to look at step back from life and look at it in that way. Because with life and with our everyday struggles that come upon us that are so

difficult at certain times, it's hard to step back and say and be grateful just to be alive. But essentially what you're saying is like, you know, I think something the most greatest thing we should be appreciative of is just being alive and just being able to experience life itself, whether you have one leg, zero legs, you're blind, you're alive. Yes, you know, and it's hard to appreciate that with everyday struggles as a human being, right? Like if your lights are out or if you're hungry or you feel like you're

obese or you have pimples, you know, I think we take for granted the fact like, oh, we're still here, you know, because people like I feel like I said, people take for granted life and people I think people think they're like. Just it's old, you know, your old life until it to 80 or 90 or however the average life rate is and people don't understand like, you know, but you know what it is? It's all about for me, I think it's about what you experience, you know, like I've seen people die, I've had friends be murdered and that's when it really put it into perspective for me that, you know, life is so precious and it does not

matter who you are, it doesn't matter if you worship God or if you sell drugs, your life can be taken from you, you know, instantly and you couldn't have been doing anything wrong, you know, and that's when I started to truly understand how precious life was and how short it is and how in the blink of an eye, it can either be gone or it can be, you know, extravagant, you know, but regardless whether the two, it does not stop anyone else's, you know, it keeps going, you know, and it's sad to think about it in a way if you do think about it, but it's true, you know, like it just the work, like, like scoff a bit

if my mother dropped dead right now, my bills don't stop on the first, you know, so I can cry for as long as I can, then I have to start making more music a year. That's it. And I got to go do some more shows and I got to go get some money because, or I'll be crying on the street, you know, which is so sad to think about, even like think about a woman getting pregnant, you know, and not, and being pregnant, being a single mother, having a job and you go nine months and then you get to the point where you can't work anymore and you have this beautiful baby that you're

infatuated with and all you want to do is spend time with your baby, but you have to work, you know, what if you don't have a support system, like a mother or just someone you can truly trust and you have to separate, like that's deep, you know, you got to separate from this life form you just made to go back to a desk or something, you know? Oh, yeah, man. I mean, that's dark. What you're talking about is dark.

That's fucked up. That's new, too. That's not how it used to be. That's not like a, that's not something that in human history that never happened. You know, the baby and the mother stayed together. That's that you look in the animal kingdom, depending on the type of animal. I mean, unless you're a fucking snake, they just lay their eggs and fuck off.

They don't think about it, you know? I don't I don't think snakes hang out with their babies. If they do, I'd never want to witness that. It sounds scary, but that's like what you're talking about is like regardless of how it used to be. That's the way it is now. That is the way it is now. And I, you know, these glimpses that you've had of impermanence.

I'm sorry you had. Those are some rough teachings and impermanence. That's rough, man. Like that's a. That's cold water in the face there, right? Is it have one of your friends murdered? You know, that's that's cold water. And you've been entertaining the idea that

somehow you're immune to that reality. I mean, when I got testicular cancer, I remember after getting diagnosed, you know, you don't know how far it spread in your body. It could be in your brain after you scans. And I remember the same thing that you said, I'm driving home. I look up, there's like a blimp in the sky. It's LA doing whatever LA does. And having that moment of like,

this isn't even going to pause for a millisecond if I die. It's not going to stop for a millisecond. It just keeps going. People who might mourn my death, there's something they're going to cry for the rest of their lives. They're going to just keep going. And that is an incredibly that can be either one of the most depressing

realizations you've ever had or one of the most liberating realizations you can have in this life. Yeah, I mean, it just depends on how much you care about living or, I guess, you know, well, I don't want to say that because that sounds sad because you can I don't want to because like I care about living, absolutely, I don't want to die at all. But sometimes I think like, I don't know, I feel like everything happens for a reason.

I don't and I try not to question things, you know, just because I don't know. This world is a tough one to figure out, man. It doesn't really make sense all the time. So I try to just like, I don't know. I've thought many times on the simulation thing too, right? Like, is it a simulation? You know, is there different worlds where you can talk to your computer and scoop into a different world, you know what I'm saying?

Like, you know, in different planets and I don't know, you know, I love men in black. Men in black is one of my favorite movies. It's just like and just like, I don't know, just the idea of like there being different forms. Like, I definitely don't think it's I definitely 100 percent believe there are more people there. Oh, yeah. You know, and more things going on and more lives. And I definitely think we'll get to a point in life where it's open knowledge

and we'll be able to travel between planets. And I think I think I think eventually there'll be a time when you can freeze your life and that is if we take care of the earth, right? You know, or if they found a new planet for us to go to before. But the main thing is just the time ticking bomb between how we treat our planet earth, whether it'll it'll give us enough time to find the resources to whether it be branch out to a new planet or create the tools we need to extend life form or whatever it is, you know, which at the same time, I think like,

do you is it do you like do you want to live forever? I mean, maybe if everyone you love lives forever, too. But like. Hell, that would be hell in the world. Yeah, then the world gets overpopulated. Yeah, you get overpopped, you know, and it's like too many people. It's I don't know, man, it's the future is kind of scary. You know, in so in Buddhism, they like break there's all these different realms.

There's the realms, the realm of the gods. It's it's actually more rare to get a human birth than a god realm birth. There's more gods than humans. And that's probably what we would think of as aliens, probably, or what now we would call aliens or angels or whatever. But essentially, you have a much longer lifespan. Your ability to sort of gratify the senses is exponentially increased.

And. It's wonderful, apparently. But the problem and again, this is not necessarily meant to be taken literally, though, many people do, you could take it as a metaphor, you know, it's like. You bet you're I mean, from a lot of people's perspective, if we're going to, they would say, well, yeah, you're a god. You're in the god realm. You're there.

You're experiencing like like your ability. You want something. The amount of time it takes from when you think, oh, maybe I want to try to store. That's value, right? What do you mean? Like based on what someone values, you know, if someone value, oh, man, you have nice cars and a watch and diamonds and a big house. Man, you're a god.

I think it's based on what you value in that aspect. Absolutely. And it's based on like, oh, man, that song you made got me through college. You're a god, man. You kill it. You know, it's like it's based on what you value. And that's the standpoint. Yeah, 100 percent.

And from this, like I don't know what you want to call it. From this specific, like view. Mm hmm. The I think the reason it might even exist as a teaching mechanism is to point out like the god, like the most. I mean, the most famous story that articulates this is like, and I won't ramble on and on the Indra king of the gods. He has built this incredible palace, incredible palace.

It's so beautiful. Celestial palace, it's incredible. It's so incredible that all the other gods are coming to check out his house, basically, and they're all like, oh, my fucking god, this place is nuts. Until Vishnu shows up and in Hindu mythology, he's the balancer. He balances things out when they're fucked up. And so he shows up and he says to Indra, Indra, your palace is the greatest palace built by any of the Indras.

And Indra says, what do you mean? Any of the interest? What are you talking about? And he points to a line of ants on the floor and he says, oh, all of these ants at one time were Indra, too. Meaning you don't you don't get to stay where you're at forever. Eventually you your karma, your whatever it is you've achieved will degrade. Entropy happens.

And then you go from being in the realm of the gods to the jealous gods. Now suddenly you're like fucking now you're fighting with other gods. Now you're trying to get back to where you were, but you can't. And so the entropy continues. Then you end up in the animal realms, then probably the hell realms. Then if you're lucky, back to being a human again. So that's like sort of the whole thing is yeah, go ahead and value it all you want. But the and achieve it if you can't.

But it's not going to last. No, no, that's deep. It's deep. It's Hinduism. Fuck Hinduism. It's deep. I'm going to grab my water. That's deep fuck. So. What if you don't mind and I hope you'll forgive me for this.

I'm going to ask you a couple of musical questions about music, though. I'm musically illiterate. Please. What dog do you work on? Well, what do you work? Do you like work with Ableton or anything like that? Do you have a preferred Pro Tools? But the album that I just made is psychedelic. I'll tell you about we did on logic.

Why? Why not Pro Tools? I don't know. I think this album is the first time that I ever made an album that is down this lane and in this world. And I did it with a completely new crowd of people. You know, I did it with a foam band and we did it in just a different light. And they like logic better.

And I didn't even use my actual main engineer. I just it was a whole completely different light. And that's what they wanted to use. And that's what we used. And it was it was great. I think we mixed the album and Pro Tools, but we recorded it in logic. I'm not an engineer. So, oh,

OK, what we use as long as whoever I'm working with knows how to use it. You don't get into that stuff at all. Like you don't like you get into like tinkering. I pay attention. I pay attention, you know, and I'm into the producing part. But I'm just I never really said it takes time to learn. And I haven't really ever said to just try and like I'm more so trying to figure out the next part of the song while they're doing whatever they're doing on a computer.

So I never spent too much time too deep into it. At all, because I get so deep into the music side that's like I'm just like you're working on your and I'm working on my and working together to bring this thing full circle. What is it? So what is that? Like you mean like you're working on lyrics? You're working on like or do you hear sounds? Yeah, we're just whatever it is, you know, whatever it may be, where they'd be like, oh, some sound to add or your lyrics are like the next part for someone else to do.

It's it's it's so many things. Man, like this album, man, this album was it was a real, real man. It was like I went down a real path. You know, it was a lot of it was a lot of I know it's a lot. I'll just say a lot of I said a lot of D&D, a lot of Molly. Yeah, it was just a lot of I was in a different world, man. I went into a deep dark, not dark. It was just a deep other realm, you know,

throughout like the six, seven months of creating this super trippy mind fuck up an album because we had to test it. You know, I had to test the songs and test them and make sure what I'm trying to make is working and just make sure what I'm trying to do is doing the do. Right. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. Right. I see what you're saying. Yeah, like it's unfamiliar. This is a new it's like you don't have that it's not your same word.

No, no, no, no, no, I wasn't. Well, it wasn't it wasn't unfamiliar because I love psych rock. You know, I love psych rock and I and I didn't worship psych psych rock. So it wasn't unfamiliar. If I just I started doing rap music, right? So it's not that I was unfamiliar to my life because I love all walks of music. Like heavily, I'm a big music fan, but I had never done it myself. So the unfamiliar part was working with a band, working with,

you know, singing more and the lyrics that I was talking about on this album, you know, but it wasn't hard because it's just like I listen to it all day every day. You know, I worship dark side the best I'm of all time. So like I'm a student, you know? So like it wasn't that it was that like different. It was just new or it wasn't hard. It was just like new. So it was almost like so fun for me because I was entering this world that I'd

never been in, you know, like in rap, you know, it's usually like, you know, like a producer sends the beat and you just spin on it. You know, opposed to this world was like you start from scratch, you know, you send a circle and you jam and you create, you find what you want to make. And then you just build it. You know, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a class project almost, like a opposed to like a one man thing. So it was definitely new experience, but it was great.

It's, I mean, it sounds incredible. The man, how badass to get to have the experience of like psychedelics, you know, creating music while high as a kite with a group of people knowing your lineage, like that's what's really beautiful about what you're saying. Well, I think, well, I think for me, it's weird, right? So I did the album completely sober, but it would be, it would be like after a session of working, then we tap into the boy and test it. You know, I always wanted to have, I love to have a clear mind when working

because I'm writing lyrics and for me personally, I'm just trying to be so focused because when I am tripping or going down a lane and going to the voyage, I don't want to be serious. You know, I don't want to have to think too hard. If I choose to think hard, that's on me, but I don't want to. I hate the feeling of feeling like I have to do something when I'm tripping. When I'm like, no, I like to be completely free. Worst.

You know, the idea of thinking like, oh my, like even like I wouldn't, I need to put my phone charger, I'd never trip if I like, if I knew like I had. If I knew I had a meeting the next morning or I knew I had a show the next night or two, I just wouldn't because then I think about it and it would kill me. Yeah. The idea of like, oh, it's too much. But I, but also another crazy thing about me is I've never, I've never done except one time and it was very, it was like a

micro dose. I've never done any drugs in public ever. Interesting. And that's because I'm soap. Yeah, yeah, never. And it's, and you know what it is? It's because I feel like the idea and it wasn't until last year, last year, it was a lot last year, last year, early last year, ending a year before when I was making the album that I even didn't, that we, I even did them in a studio.

I had only ever did them ever at home. Wow. And that was because that was my safe zone. And that's where I could truly be myself and comfortable and relax and not have to worry about any mixed energies or any egos or just anything, any other entities disrupt, disrupting and interrupting my trip. You know what I'm saying? Interesting.

That is interesting. Young acid head, because you know, usually the acid route involves taking expeditions out into the world. These like expeditions, when you're tripping, I used to do that, man. I mean, I like my those days are a long gone for me, man. But when I was like having my love affair with LSD, it was so fun to see how much can we function in society on lots of acid? And you get good at it.

You learn how to do it. It's a skill set. I'm not recommending this for everyone. For God's sakes, don't drive on LSD, but you learn. You start learning how to function in the world and you feel this like weird, like secret edge that you have. Because like, while everybody else is in their regular state of consciousness, you're watching the walls melt.

You're experiencing like the vividness of color. And most importantly, you're really witnessing the artificiality of everything. You're looking at all of it and seeing like, my God, this is like a set. We're on some kind of world. We're playing a game like we're we're in a long form game of tragic of make believe, like a tragic game of make believe and people are taking it very seriously. But that, you know, that was the old days. I don't think, you know, I think you're doing the right thing.

Now that I'm an old man, like you're not smart. You want to go out there, man? It's crazy out there. Well, I just I just I think it'd be fun if I wasn't a celebrity, but as a celebrity, when you go outside, man, you get just get ambushed. You know, people already get anxiety when people, you know, it's a hundred people trying to take pictures and you just never know what sorts of tensions are and what sounds really trying to do.

So why are your eyes dilated? What's going on? No, I'm saying that's what people are going to say to you. It's like when they're running out, you know, exactly. You know, all that, all that, you know, and it would just I couldn't do it. You know, I couldn't do it. So I just, I don't know. And you want to know another crazy thing?

Yes. Like the first, the first maybe 30 trips I did. Now, like my first 45, 50 trips I did were in the dark. I always did them in the dark. Shit, you're hardcore. That is hardcore. But you know why, though? It was because I was so fascinated with being in a room.

I'll usually be in my room or my house and when I'm obviously about a time trip in the summer, I mean, I could see the beautiful sunrise, but but I was so fascinated with being in a place that I'm in every day of my life. And I know what it's like. I know it's a room. I know it's dark. I know it's nothing going on. And then doing acid and completely being in the same place.

But I am not in the same place. They're fascinating every time that I'll be in my bed. And I'm like, I know my room. I know this is my wall. No, that's my TV. I know. And then doing acid and just like, what the where the fuck am I? You know what I'm saying? And you know, and turn on some music and just going to another planet.

I'm like, wait, I'm still in my fucking room, you know, and just like losing conscious and thinking about the world. And it wasn't until like very recent that I learned, not learned, but experienced like, man, like not not only like I was so fascinated with my brain making colors in the dark, but then I started to realize the actual colors of the world and like the actual having light and seeing the world is even crazier than your brain making the colors up because it's just like the vividness goes to level 3000.

Yes. Yeah, it's it's a that is for sure. One of the gifts of it is that it sort of reintroduces you to reality. I mean, it's so easy to get like everything can seem so boring. Everything can seem so. You've seen it. You know, everything works. You especially with music, my God, with music. When you put on a song that you've listened to hundreds of times and it's like

you're it's like, you know, you're hearing it for the first time. It's cliche and cheesy to say it's like or like there's so many TV series that I wish I could erase my memory and watch them again knowing nothing about it. And it does that for you with not with music. It does that for you with color. It's like you're reborn or you just look at this. Look at what you're in. Look at how spectacular it is.

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Who? That was the greatest thing about midnight gospel, man. I watched it for the first time, thankfully, on acid. And and I'm glad I did because if I didn't, I would have never got to get the same feeling from just how insane it blew my mind the first episode with the with the mayor, with the zombies. Thank you, which is which is it's just because and it was just so many like little elements, like it's just random.

And I don't know where I'm going to talk about it, but just like, OK, the moment when they were sitting at the campfire talking and the mayor came over and like cuddled him, it was so like they were talking mid talking mid conversation. He just like comes under his arm and cuddles him. It's so funny because that just reminded me of something that would happen like you were doing, Molly, and you were having a deep conversation. And you just like wanted to rub someone's skin while you're talking. It's so funny, man, but it's so true.

And it was just like it was so relatable to me. And it was and it's just but seeing it while I was high and noticing that little part while in this deep conversation, just like, man, I had me crying on the floor, like stomach hurting, like tears, because it was just so like it was just I don't know, just like a small moment that was just like, this is not fucking not fucking real, it's hilarious, man. It's it's so good. It's so good, man. So good. Thank you. I can't believe it's so it's so weird.

You make stuff. I'm sure you have the same experience. You make something you don't know who's watching it or listening to it. Yeah, it's trippy, man. Like that's trippy to me that from, you know, throwing a message in a bottle out in the form of the Midnight Gospel or your music or whatever your art is, you bottles start coming back and you don't like with letters from people. You're like, are you fucking kidding me?

This is amazing. Amazing. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy that way. I mean, I can't even imagine like, you know, I again, I don't mean to go like get weird on your ear, but I just can't imagine some of the stuff that you can't talk about. I just can't imagine. And yeah, it's, you know, not to sit. Maybe there isn't anything like that.

But wow, all the data feeds you probably have that. Like you just can't say anything about that. Didn't put your job. It's a dark world. It's a deep world. Yeah, it's a deep, it's a deep world out there. Yeah, it's a deep world. It's a deep world. And there's just so many interesting

connections between groups of people that you might not. And I don't mean in some sinister way. I mean, I've had cops reach out to me. Like police officers who have been kicked off of the force for smoking weed or broken hearted and think it should be leaked. That's what I mean. You know, it's like you just don't know who's listening. I mean, I think that is why it's really exciting that you are

putting the energy from the void as you call it into your music. I mean, I think that's why it's really beautiful because, like, you know, you connect people with some ideas that maybe they normally wouldn't ever wouldn't occur to them. And that sets them on a certain path that they might never go down. You know, I mean, absolutely. I think if you're making art with some missionary intent, you're probably going to dilute the creative process.

But still, it's it's a beautiful thing. What can happen? So when you when you made the show, did you you took? Did you take episodes from like an already existing podcast or did you record? So when how did you pick those specific conversations? What made you say these were the ones that I wanted to? Well, well, do. So, you know, speaking of the message in the bottle thing,

like when I I started podcasting, when you still had to tell people what a podcast was and I get an email out of the blue from Pendleton Ward, who made Adventure Time and was one of the greatest animated series of all time. And she's a genius, beautiful. Absolutely. So and I didn't believe it because at the time podcasting was new. I didn't I thought I was being trolled.

So I'm just like, whatever. Yeah, sure. You made Adventure Time. I truly did not think Pendleton Ward was listening to my podcast. And then so Pendleton, he can't he like he's you know, we hear the word over and over. Pendleton, if you're listening, I'm so sorry. But he is a he's a genius and like the real thing. So like he he was able to come up with this idea for the for how to animate a

podcast, which was which turned into the Midnight Gospel. So he would pick out the episodes. He picked out a lot of episodes that he liked. I picked out a few that I liked. But you know, man, it's like, I don't know if you have this with your music, but with my podcast, it's like, how do I pick out one episode or whatever? Like, this is the one I want out there. It feels so puffed up or something.

So he helped me pick out that might work. And that's it was not there wasn't any like real structure to how we did it. It just we grabbed some that stuck in our heads. And and and and but and as far as animation, did you just say what you wanted? Are you just let the animator just go crazy? OK, so this is the coolest man. You got to do you got to do animation sometime. You got to get in that world.

Yeah, it's insane. It's the it is the it is the most incredible, weirdest process and the coolest group of people like these are like it reminds me a lot of stand up. And I'm probably it's probably similar to music. It's like, you know, you kind of have to be taken under somebody's wing. It's it's it there's a hierarchy there. And you it's a slow process if you want to be an animator. Like it's it's an inside club.

Pendleton was like some wizard who just came to my house and was like, come come with me into this place and then just took me into the deepest core of it. You know, but yeah, man, you the animators. So the process is you come up with beats so we would have an idea for an episode like the prison episode, you know, and in that you come up with beats or this repeating loop and then you give those beats to storyboard artists who then sketch those out into something that will later turn into the animation.

And so the revision process is visual in the sense that you look at the things that they've drawn and then you say, oh, don't do that or add that. And because it was Pendleton, we were like everyone working with us. They were amazing. And so they just give you these gifts, man. They like interpret what you say. They give you like their idea of what it is, which is usually hilarious and funnier than anything you ever imagined.

And then you tweak it and add stuff to it or I mean, there is such a joy knowing you have a team of artists around you and you can literally ask them to draw anything and they will do that for you. They will draw anything in your head in their own style and then add to it their soul, their art. Oh God, it was the best, man. You would love it. Maybe that's your next step, Yachty. Animated shows, I've been I've been trying to I've been trying to I've been trying

to try and I'm working on it. You are. You're working on an animated. You have an idea of hers that we don't have to get into trying to. Yeah, I do. And I'm trying to bring it to life. We're going to say we're working on it. Oh my God, with your music. Oh my God.

No, not not music. No, I'm saying you can add your music to serious. I'm saying if you wanted to, you could like help make music for it. I don't mean which is so crazy. Speaking of music, I love some of the music in midnight gospel. I thought like when the credits would run, did you make music? Yes, I did. I did. I can't believe you said that.

You make some pretty trippy. You make some pretty trippy like songs that actually were really, really good. That would actually I could die now. Really? I'm done. My incarnation. I'm out. I'm done. I'm finished with my life's work. Goodbye, everybody.

Nice meeting you, Yati. I'm going up to the mothership now. I'm going back to Alpha Centauri. You have to tell me what was that? Did you secretly want to make music? Was that just like a way for you to try it out or what was that about? I love making music, but I never had the confidence or sense of like, oh, yeah, I'm going to make music.

I'm going to I'm going to be one of those people. So I when I was in college, you know how you meet people in your life that just fucking derail you like you are going to go in one direction and then you meet somebody in that like in a good way derails you. So I met this musician, Emil Amos is his name. He has a band called the Holy Sons, lots of bands. He's like the drummer for this band.

All you would like like his music a lot. But this kid, when I was in college, he just had a four track. And, you know, he would make the most beautiful music, like really beautiful, like good, incredible music. And we got to be friends because of Pink Floyd, because my dad used to run a shopping center and one of the CD stores had closed down and so he got all the CDs and my dad had just mailed me a bunch of Pink Floyd CDs and I'm sitting in the cafeteria and Emil,

like, who actually at the time I thought was an asshole. He was like, he was like, he was like, you know, I'm like, we're in college. You're fucking off. He would like now, you know, you're not paying attention in class. I was such a nerd. But like he came and sat down with me and was like, you like Pink Floyd? You like this? I'm like, yeah, he's like, you want to come listen to let's go listen to some of this.

So I went to his dorm room and that's when I saw it. The four track, that's when I saw the guitar. That's when I heard like, holy fuck, this you can make music by yourself. That sounds really good. And he introduced me to Lo-Fi, Daniel Johnston, Sebedo, all the basement, beautiful basement, indie shit that I'd never heard before. And anyway, so, you know, he showed me it's possible to do stuff, to make music with what you have.

And ever since then, I've been drawn to like making music, but I never have. I do it as a kind of meditation or like a. I do it for podcast intros and Pendleton, you know, it's one of the great gifts he gave me was he's like, why don't you make songs? You know, he encouraged me to make songs for the credits rolling. Yeah, I never would have done it otherwise. I never would have like put my own music on my own show out of respect for people like you for like musicians, you know what I mean?

But he encouraged me to do it. So I did it. And then Joe Wong is the music producer. He he would help like, you know, fix the tracks and stuff. Because especially in those days, I had no idea what I was doing. I've gotten a little better sense as far as like it sounds fucking great. It's fucking great. I'm telling you, I still don't understand.

Well, I think I've sat many times and tried to realize why I didn't have three, four seasons, and I think the only idea I can possibly come up with is just that a lot of people, as many people are tapped in, there's still a lot of people who don't get it, you know, who don't understand it's that show is such for like a certain type of person, you know, like it's not like that's not the show, you know, like moms and fucking daughters and families, you know, it's not floor is lava, it's not exactly, you know, they I I have like very little bitterness towards Netflix.

I mean, if you get canceled, there's no way you're not going to have a slight bit of bitterness. And if you don't admit that, no, you're not fooling anybody. It hurts, man. There was another there is another season in my head of the show. Um, uh, but that was pretty much it. That's just like there's two, there was supposed to be two seasons in my head. But there, you know, I got canceled, man.

I got canceled because not enough people watched it and Netflix is a business and it was expensive to make and they're just like, you know, like, yeah, we're like the executives we work with are so fucking cool. And they're like, this is the beautiful thing. I can't believe we got to make this, you know, but, uh, it's not, it's Netflix. It's got to, it's got to, that algorithm tells them whether or not it's profitable based on subscribers. And if it's not, they cancel you.

That's just, I can't get mad at them for that. They let him let me make something. I'm talking to you now because of it, you know, but yeah. It wasn't accessible enough. If like, but if we had tried to make it accessible enough, it wouldn't have been the show it was. So exactly. That's the problem.

That's, that's, but that's, that's well said. You know, if you were to try to appease the masses and make it something enjoyable for everyone to watch, it may, it wouldn't have been what it is. That's exactly right. And, and, and so that, and I, you know, Pendleton, he'd already made adventure time. It's like, you know, his, his, none of us were thinking as we were making it. Like I honestly was like fully prepared for like absolute flop.

Like after we made it, I'm like, man, this shit's too weird for anybody. Like no one, I don't know if people are going to respond to this at all. Like, what have we done? I was so thrilled that it was well received. I mean, that's enough for me. I mean, would I have liked it if it had been like the walking dead or something? Sure. D is there.

Yachty, we built that work like, man, people don't understand how deep we went into the world of the chromatic ribbon. Like nothing was anything you hear in that show, any weird sounding phrase or everything was connected to a world that we built. We, I went as far as like, how do these simulators work? How long does it take them to like generate novelty artifacts for people to get? What happens if you run them too long? What, like we went deep into it.

And so I fell in love with that world and wanted to like do another season to sort of like show people more about what the chromatic ribbon was, who the progenitor was. But I'm so happy it exists at all. You know? Yeah, I mean, I'm sure that was a hell of an experience. Man, I had just had my first kid and I also was making my first TV show. So it was the most mind blowing year of my life. Thank you, Loomie Labs for supporting this episode of the DTFH Loomie Labs has done it.

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You find the links in the show description at DuncanTrussell.com. But again, that's microdose.com code Duncan. I had just had my first kid and I also was making my first TV show, so it was the most mind-blowing year of my life. It was just mind-blowing. I mean, you have recently had a kid, correct? I have, I did. And it's funny, I had my kid the month I started making my album.

Oh, yeah. So it was like almost similar to you, you know? Like, you know, making your first show is making my first, you know, psychedelic album that meant the world to me. So it was definitely a, it was, it was hand-in-hand experiences. How did, now, like, how did you work? Like my experience with that is like, and I feel like you kind of like alluded to this earlier, but here you have this being that is the most beautiful creature you've ever

seen in your life that you love more than anything. But then also, here you have, like, you know, your creative outflow into the universe and, like, you know, you want it, like, how do you balance it out? How, like, you can't, how do you, there's no way to balance it out. So it was a little bit of, like, a bittersweet experience in the sense of, like, I was barely seeing the kid. I'm coming, I'm leaving early in the morning. I'm coming home late at night.

I'm fucking tired. You know, my wife is like, thank God, she's like the way she is, but Jesus Christ, like, she was a, might as well have been a single mom. You know, like I was, there was, because you can't, what am I going to say? What am I going to tell Netflix? I, okay, I had a baby. I'm 100%, I'm 100%. Yeah.

I'm in the, I know exactly, I know 100%, I know exactly what you're saying and how you fill in that experience, 100%. How are you dealing with it now? How are you working with it? Um, trying, you know, the attachment to her mother is so strong now. How old is she? She's one and one and one and one and two months. Okay.

So her attachment to her mother is so strong right now. So I'm just trying to build the connection. It'll come. Yeah. Is this your first? Okay. One in two months. I mean, this is the thing, man, they're, they're like, I'm sorry if this

offends people, but they could give a shit about you. Like they love you. They know your daddy at this point, but like a little baby, I'm sorry, but like good luck. Good luck. Where are your breasts? You start lactating and you might have a friend. So it's like, you know, that's real, that's real.

They love you. They want you. They want, I'm not saying that like the father in that situation is irrelevant, but I think the, you know, like your job is like very, it gets, you know, they start like, once they tune in to you, oh my God, it's the most incredible thing. The first time I could said, dad, he literally leaned in and whispered it in my ear. I'll never forget it.

And I was like, oh, fuck, that's the first of many nuclear love bombs. He exploded in me. Yeah, that's tight. Yeah, that's tight. Oh man, that's great. I got it. Man, let me ask you, I don't want to go too deep, but I've, because I see where I time and then I want to hold you, but you tell me what time you have.

I could talk to you forever, man. Whatever you got, you let me know what, I'm sure you're busy as hell. Sick. I am, but they could wait. Uh, uh, uh, so randomly, right? I started having this thought and I, um, I actually direct this question because he's one of my best friends and he's such a smart guy. I got it.

I want to go to, I'm going to the question in my notes and I just want, I've been having this conversation with people, um, basically. So there'd be a thing where I'd maybe be talking to someone, right? And they know, oh, this is how it started. So I was in a studio with a couple of homies in LA and they were like, I don't know how we got to, but someone was like, man, how much did your child weigh when she came out? And I was like, I don't know.

Yeah. Right. And they were like, you're like, you don't know how much your kid weighed when he came out. You don't, you know, and I was like, I was like, no. And then I said, also to tell you the truth, I don't know what my parents' birthday are. I know it's in January.

I've never missed it. I've never missed my parents' birthday ever. I'm all they have everything they want. They, they always get whatever they want for a birthday to get it. But personally, I just, I know that it's in January, but I don't actually know the date, right? So then it caused this question in my head. The question is, why do people, why do people follow traits that come from

years of brainwash and harmless manipulation as far as like thinking that we have to know certain things that genuinely don't matter. You know, like my, I obviously love my child to death more than anything like and me not knowing the weight that she was when she came out. Does not make me love her any less. It doesn't mean she's going to have a world any less more fortunate than I much more fortunate than I had growing up, you know, but like, it's this thing in society that like people feel like certain things in life, you have to

know, or you have to do, like you, how you don't know your parents' birthday or how, like, I don't know, like it's just, but I, but it's just from years of brainwash of people thinking certain things you need to know, you know, or you, but really don't fucking matter. You know, if you know them, that's great. But if you don't know them, it doesn't make you a shit person. You know, or it doesn't make you any less, any less than, you know, it doesn't mean you love someone or care about someone any less.

You know what I'm saying? Dude, right now I would bet $10,000 that somewhere, sadly, there is a kid in like a dog cage being fed bowls of shit and their parent knows how much they wait when they were born. You know what I mean? There's no connection to quantifying, we're talking about quantification of reality. It's like, yeah, I don't remember my parents' birthdays.

And do I feel shame about that? Yes. Why do I feel shame about that? Well, exactly what you're talking about. At some point, somewhere along the way, I guess somebody got into people's heads and said, knowing numbers is more important than how you feel. Like articulating numbers means more than the feeling you have for your parents or your kids or whatever.

And maybe the reason is, is because how do you quantify that? Like imagine if somebody was like, you know, can you come up with a number that represents how much you love your mom? Like what number do you love your mom at? How much is your love way? What size is your love? It's unquantifiable. That's, you know, that's where the entire material universe collapses in the face

of love, right? It's like, you can't measure it, you can't weigh it, you can't bottle it. And like, and it's very frustrating, I think, for the materialists, for the material universe, because how do you, how the fuck can you sell something you can't quantify? How do you, it becomes useless in the face of capitalism? Maybe that's it. I don't know, but I never considered it brainwashing till you said that. But yeah, I think it is some kind of brainwashing.

I mean, I mean, along with like religion and anything else, no. Well, it depends. I mean, the, it depends. We're talking about the, like, let's say Christian, I mean, you can't come out, you can't, you can't come out of, you can't come out of the womb of Christian. You know, like, well, you can't come out of the womb on atheists, you know. I hope you're amazing. That'd be fucking amazing if somehow your baby came out and was like, Richard Dawkins.

Richard Dawkins said that death is the anesthesia that saves us from the pain of life. What did you make me for? This sucks. God, I'd love that baby, atheist. The most annoying baby. Oh, that's hilarious. No, man, I don't think you can. I think that, like, yeah, I remember once I was meditating and I just realized

how funny it was that I was thinking this was Buddhism. I'm like, you know, I'd given over the experience of meditation to Buddhism, which Buddhism doesn't ask you to do, but I had my own mind connected something that has existed much longer than any religion to a religion. And so I think where the brainwashing that you're talking about would happen is where someone who is considered a leader in any given religion claimed ownership over something that preceded the existence of that religion. That's where she gets weird, right?

Like, nobody can own. Nobody owns anything really, much less like no one. No one can lay claim to this or that. You know, to the fundamental qualities of humanness. So, you know, many people, many people are pretty good at doing that and making people feel really guilty about it. How could I be experiencing this if I'm not a Christian? How could I be feeling this if I'm not a Buddhist?

I mean, I was watching your interviews, man, a lot of the things that you were saying, I'm like, oh, fuck, you must be Buddhist or something. You know, I did the thing to you just from hearing you talk about your own philosophy. Yeah, no, I mean, well, you know what it is. I think I just. I don't really, I don't really think religion is interesting. It's an interesting conversation. You know, I don't really know where I don't know.

I just don't I don't get too religious. You know, I'm more spiritual, you know, and it's solely because I've just the experiences I've had with the crooked pastors, you know, and just crooked experiences where, like, you know, people just are hateful and judgmental towards someone as a person based on their career or how they look or the way they dress. Yeah. Or I've even seen it towards hatred towards people of their choice of sex. Oh, yeah.

You know, who they love and who they want to be with. And I'm just I am my heart. I can't see how that's right now in any religion. How is it right to shame someone because of who they genuinely love, you know, or because they have tattoos on their face or because their pants are sagging or whatever, you know, like, I just don't I don't get it, you know, which pushed me away from the idea. Committing completely to Christianity, you know,

just started to make it sound fraudulent. Yes. I mean, this is one of the tragedies of like false teachers is that they they like, you know, I have in my dark, very paranoid moment, speculated, my God, like, it's almost like if there is a Satan, that that being wouldn't be the thing that went around like burning Bibles or crucifixes or something or like shitting on altars or whatever. That being would be the thing that infiltrated the whatever the particular

religion was and posed as a representative of the religion while doing exactly to other people, what apparently happened to you, diluting, showing hypocrisy, showing that it's and then what ends up happening is instead of like going in on your own minus the priest class, you just are like, fuck that, fuck that. I don't want to be involved in that homophobic, fucking repressive, sex-shaming bullshit. And then you abandon ship, which why wouldn't you?

I mean, Mark Twain has my favorite quote on religion. Religion is what happened when the first con man met the first fool. It's like, you know, it's like you're selling what and you don't have to make taxes, they don't have to make taxes. So yeah, man, I think it's like, you know, one of my favorite when I the first time I experienced Christ consciousness was when I was on LSD, reading the book of John, highly recommend Bible study while on acid. Book of John on acid.

It's like, holy shit, this is not what the pastor was telling me about. Like, whatever this is, is not the same. And I think that's what's beautiful about it. You know, it's like a secret. It's a secret for you. Why am I doing? I'm not fucking Buddhist. Why I'm going to cover you, Yachty.

Just accept the Lord into your heart. No more profanities in those raps. Yeah, I know, right? I don't know, man. I don't know. I respect everyone's. I respect everyone's. Identity, you know, and what you associate with.

And I would never try to make anyone see something the way I see it. I just I am only one man. Yes, that's it. I know. And yeah, and I'm I would I don't know. I just I'm you know, I don't work for a court system. I'm not a judge, you know, so I don't judge anyone. You know, I'm not I'm not here to tell him when what's right and what's wrong.

I just have my own thoughts of life. That's that. It's exhausting, like it's exhausting to judge. Judgment is so like just retire from retire from the profession of judgment. You'll have so much more energy and it doesn't do anything. That one of my teachers, Ramdas is one of his core tenants, even though you wouldn't call it a tenant was we work on ourselves so we can help the people around us. That's it.

Don't try to make somebody else your home renovation project. You know, don't don't don't get into that. It doesn't work. It doesn't work. I think sometimes people do it or even like bring people down to try and pull themselves up. Oh, the drowning method, like the classic drowning method. You're drowning and then you get around somebody and fucking like

use them as some kind of horrible gasping ladder. Lotation device. Yeah, man, that's it. You yeah, people use other people as fuck. Fuck, people use other people's flotation devices. They do. They just float around the ocean of life on other people, ignoring that the other people are clearly drowning, not even considering,

you know, if your flotation device goes down, you're going down too. Absolutely. Well, that's that's the self-centeredness of people. Yeah. Yeah. Which is unfortunate. Yeah, it is unfortunate because they think they're drowning. It's like, you know, number one, you're not drowning.

You just think you are. It's the I think you can see him back there. The dude smoking a cigarette. That's Chogium Trump at Rinpoche, who is another Buddhist teacher that I love. And he said, the bad news is you're falling. The good news is there's no ground. So a lot of people, they think they're drowning because they don't understand that they could breathe underwater.

You know, they don't realize like you're you're you're just panicking underneath the panic. Everything's fine. You're fine. Man, I'm right, Yachty. I don't want to hold you up, man. I don't know what your time schedule is. So, you know, I could I have as long as you've got, man.

You got people waiting on you. I don't want to. Yeah, I do. I need to I need to be somewhere, but this is so fun, man. I hope we can can we can we can we do another one sometime. Any time you any time I will just to like continue chatting with you, man, we could just we got to turn the podcast. It's just conversations with us. Yeah, man, we have we have to we have to keeping in communication

and conversation for sure, man. I'm assuming the number I have for you still works. I don't know, but I change my numbers, but I have your number and I'm definitely going to text me an offline. If you like, not that I have like a lot to offer in that or if you have any animation questions or if you I would love to hear your idea while you're cooking off over there. I'd love to hear it, man.

I will and I'm and I'm going to tell you, I just I just take it to you. So we'll be in contact, man. This was this was amazing, bro. And I thank you so much for having you made my ear. Lil Yachty, God bless you. Thank you so much for being on the show. Much love to your family and we'll be talking soon. Thank you.

Howdy, Chris. Thank you, brother. Have a good day. Peace. That was Lil Yachty. Everybody, you can find his new album. Let's start here, everywhere on all the streaming services. Make sure you listen to it.

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