Duncan Trussell Family Hour - 569: Jay Anderson

Episode Date: June 19, 2023

Jay Anderson, UFO and paranormal researcher, joins the DTFH! For more from Jay follow Project Unity on Twitter and YouTube! Original music by Aaron Michael Goldberg. This episode is brought to you by: Lumi Labs - Visit MicroDose.com and use code DUNCAN at checkout for 30% Off and FREE Shipping on your first order!  AG1 - Visit DrinkAG1.com/Duncan for a FREE 1-year supply of vitamin D and 5 FREE travel packs with your first purchase!

He's not a decorated soldier, though he says he is But he conquered my heart When first week he asked it felt just like Me, ne' but her meeting jam Don't matter that he never bought the Taliban Stolen valor, stole my heart He and me because of kissing were an art And if you call him out, a war's gonna start He ain't deep because so I've gissin' where I'm hard And if you call him out, a war's gonna start Cause he's my special man

I know he ordered all his battles online But when he takes off his uniform, he looks so fine When he spits in my mouth It tastes like fine wine When he's in my foxhole I feel just like I'm dying Stolen vallors stole my heart He'd be Picasso if kids were an art

And if you call him out War's gonna start Cause he's my special man Stolen Valor stole my heart He'd be Picasso if kids were an art If you call them out, war's gonna start. Cause he's my special man. That was Lee Carlson doing a cover of Tamer of Funce Controversial, yet amazing song, Stolen Valor. And I am Duncan Trussell and you are listening to the Duncan Trussell and you are listening to the Duncan Trussell Family Hour podcast.

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Follow me there if you are interested in daily multiple, many, many, many, many updates on the state of my NFT library. Hi, wow, do we have a fantastic podcast for you today. Jay Anderson is a UFO researcher, not just that, he dives into a lot of other paranormal topics, occurrences and happenings. And I've been following him on Twitter for a long time.

He's one of my go-to sources if I'm trying to catch up on what's going on in the world of UAPs, UFOs, whatever you want to call him. Highly recommend following him on Twitter. It's Project Unity on Twitter, and he's got a YouTube channel of the same name with fantastic interviews that are rational, logical, informative, and of course, super weird, which is why we love the topic. And these days, you really do need some like main set of data feeds because there's so much weird stuff flying around out there and it keeps getting weirder and it keeps getting parsed by lots of different people and so you can end up feeling confused and maybe even want to disconnect from all of it, which is why I keep my eyes on project Unity's Twitter along with Jeremy Corbell and a few others just so I get a nice well-rounded,

non-wobbly analysis of what's going on out there. This is a great podcast. What I really loved about it is Jay opened up about an actual encounter that he had with UAPs using Dr. Stephen Greer's consciousness shifting techniques. I know all of this stuff might sound absolutely bad shit to some of you and I don't blame you. It is weird but now that we have some verified former intelligence officers whistle blowing that maybe we have wreckage that maybe we have ships,

then maybe all of the stuff that we've been compulsively rejecting might be a little more true than we thought it was. We have to reframe the way we listen to people when they tell us about extraordinary experiences they've had with UFOs and there are so many people out there who have had that experience and they're all over the planet and they've been telling different versions of the same story for thousands and thousands of years.

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It's Project Unity, aka J Anderson. I'm going to be a little bit more of a little bit more of a little bit more of a little bit more of a little bit more of a little bit more of a little bit more of a little bit more of a little bit more of a little bit more of a little bit more of a little bit more of a little bit more of a little bit more of a little bit more of a little bit more of a little bit more of a little bit more of a little bit more

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on. And your Twitter feed is one of them. You do such a good job of not just like broadcasting or signal boosting relevant stuff that's going on in the world of fringe theories or just odd happenings. But also, I love your commentary on it. I just love people who in the midst of the stuff that is happening right now can maintain a level-headed rational attitude towards it without getting too sucked in to one thing or the other. I mean, I think that's what we all need to work on

because it's very easy to get spun out. But before we start talking about what I'm sure you, I know you're interested in it because you've been tweeting about it, and I certainly am. I'm curious what shifted you from probably being someone who's interested in these sorts of phenomena and things to becoming somebody who is a mouthpiece and who is a kind of a thought leader when it comes to these things.

What happened? When did you think, you know what, I'm going live with this stuff. Yes, it's a funny one, Duncan. I mean, like I've always been a very curious person and a bit of a daydreamer when I was a kid, you know, I think the, the primary sentence from each teacher was, it'd be great if he just applied himself, you know, because I was always just off into clouds and, and thinking about other things. But, you know, I always had like a, a basic curiosity. But what actually happened to me I always had a basic curiosity.

But what actually happened to me was I had my own experiences. And the way in which that path unfolded for me, which then led to me being in the UFO research field, is inherently a spiritual path. And that's what really fascinates me about the UFO subject is there's these, once you've kind of dig underneath the nuts and bolts and the vehicles and the potential of alien life and civilizations. There's a very strange correlation with consciousness, higher states of consciousness. It bleeds into back a little bit, so I'm 28 years old now and when I was in University, my third year of university, in fact, you know what don't gonna. I'm gonna close this window and if I start getting sweaty, I will just open it again because I can hear my neighbor's brewing.

Only only. Okay, if it's bugging you, that's fine, but I'm not picking that up. Okay, all right. Well, no, if it gets too hot, I will. We're folks listening. He's roasting out there in the UK. Roasting is really hot in the UK and we don't have AC in our houses or anything like that. So we're very unprepared for the sun.

Brutal. Brutal. It's gorgeous though, but yeah, if it gets too sweaty, I'll open the window again. But yet to take you back, I was in my third year of university and everything was just kind of falling apart. Like, my friendships at the time were kind of breaking down, my relationship with my girlfriend at the time was breaking down and just it seemed like a kind of culminative series of events

where it was just overwhelming. And it put me into quite a significant depression. And interestingly enough being in the UFO research field now there is some interesting correlation with trauma and having anomalous or paranormal experiences so you know I'm not sure if it's definitive but there certainly seems to be a correlation but either way I was in a bad spot and my dad you know my I think my mom and dad they were both worried about me they both knew that I was in a bad spot. And my dad, you know, my mom and dad, they were both worried about me.

They both knew that I was not in the right state of mind. And my dad was out in France at the time and he was like, hey, look, I want you to come out, you know, I'll pay for your train ticket, come over and stay with me for a week and just detox, just relax, just, you know, let the pressure out. So I went over to France and when I was there, he said, look, I've got this series of books

that I've been listening to that I really think would be good for you and I really think you should listen to them, I've got them on audio book. And at the other time, I was like, oh, God, you know, like, this isn't gonna help me, like a book isn't gonna magically just change the way that I feel right now. And anyway, I guess-

Especially a book near dad likes. Right, right, right, right, right. Come Especially a book near dad likes. Right, right. Come on. I'm not gonna... This isn't gonna fix my problems, but either way, I gave him a chance. And you might know about them. It's a series of books called Conversations with God

by Neil Donald Walsh. Yes, yes. I do know about them. Actually, I think my mom was into that act. And I read a little bit, I liked it. It's really cool. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it was the first catalyst for me that introduced a different concept of God, more like a universal consciousness type of thing, rather than just a, you know, a daithy in the sky, which I just always had an issue with.

I grew up kind of semi-Christian. We went to Sunday school and stuff like that, but it wasn't super strict. But I never had that realistic concept of God in my mind until I read these books. And these books were the first thing that just kind of allowed me to phase out of this depression and see life in a slightly different way. It sent me down quite a novel route of being interested in these types of issues. So I started researching different areas of philosophy, different laymen areas of quantum mechanics and seeing the gap correlations between these things and becoming very interested in that. No UFOs at this point, just a kind of more expansive interest in novel ideas about reality and this type of thing. So for about two years, going down that route

of just kind of coalescing information and having some at least what felt like personal realizations about consciousness, our wider reality, what we really are as human beings. And then I ended up basically in another depression. And as is life, right, just kind of up and down journey. I found myself in another situation where basically now, I felt like, all right, I've correlated all these different bits of information, I've come to some, you know, personal realizations about the grandiosity of reality, but what does this do for me?

What does this actually do for my life? I'm still not really that happy. I've still got a lot of stresses. You know, all this ethereal, ephemeral, philosophical stuff is great, but it's not really benefiting me in my real life. So I was sitting on my bed this one night, and I just, you know, you could call it a prayer. I just kind of said, it's set out loud to the universe.

Like just give me something. Give me something that is representative of all these things I've been learning. Give me something I can do of said it, set out loud to the universe. Like just give me something, give me something that is representative of all these things I've been learning. Give me something I can do with my hands, something real, you know, please just, you know, give me this thing that would make all of these ideas click into place. And then about a week later, my best friend who has also been like this kind of strange into twining agent on both of our journeys of understanding spirituality or consciousness, we both assisted each other in different

ways on that journey. My best friend, a week after this request I made to the universe, came to me and he was like, dude, you've got to check out this documentary. I was like, what is it? He said, it's called Unacknowledged by Dr. Steven Greer. And I've never heard of Dr. Steven Greer. Okay. And now I know he is quite a polarizing figure in the UFO community, but there is a lot of value to the man, despite some

of his egotistical tendencies. Yeah. You know, there's definitely a bit of a wide divide in the research field. However, I'd never heard of him. So I was coming in blind. I was seeing all of these, you know, minute men missile operate a nuclear launch facility. Guys coming out the record, talking about objects coming over and shutting down nuclear silos and they were showing the documentation. And so it was a good introduction into the UFO field and it made me recognize, actually, there's some pretty serious people here that are talking about this. Okay, I'm interested.

I'm listening. But it was at the end of that documentary where Greer introduces this concept that he's coined as CE5, which is essentially methodologies for initiating a form of contact with these non-gemenitologists. I just read about this. What you're going to love about this. I just read about this with Greer. Yeah, go ahead.

I didn't know that aspect of Greer. And I do know the controversy around Greer. My feeling right now is like, all hands on deck. You know, and it's subjectively a person's job to sort of differentiate the personality from the data stream and like find the coherence among other people who are saying similar things and just disregard whatever the Personal stuff is that's like giving you the Ick, right, you know, it doesn't mean the data is necessarily wrong

And yeah, so I think he's done some great work out there for the UFO You know need he deserves some credit for that, regardless of a personal bullshit. He's been in the game for decades, man, and, you know, I've been in this for about five years, and I'm already paranoid and freaked out and not trusting many people, so, you know, it's a pretty tough terrain to navigate coming through this, especially when you're

dealing with the intelligence community and all the kind of mixed match of messages that come from these people Individuals who want to try and lead you down a certain route, which I've certainly had experience with but Dr. Grier. Yeah presents this concept of CE5 and you know CE5 essentially if I boil it down for people is Different methodologies usually involving some form of meditation practice or just a basic sense of meditation, getting into a clear calm coherent state of mind, bringing up positive energies and projecting the intention that you want something to respond to this. And you know, this gets into all sorts of non-locality of consciousness,

quantum physics, types of conversations, the further you dig down into it. But this was for me, when it was being introduced, I immediately went back to that night on my bed, asking the universe, give me something that I can do that proves all of these exotic concepts. Suddenly, here's a guy saying, hey, you want proof of these things, just get into a calm state of mind,

go outside and start projecting your intentions. And the deeper I've dug into this field, just get into a calm state of mind, go outside and start projecting your intentions. And the deeper of dug into this field, the more I've come to the realization that that type of contact it is real, but it seems to require very strong intention, a setting aside of disbelief, and a genuine belief in your own capabilities is a conscious vehicle. If you don't have these types of beliefs, it seems much like, look much like many other ritualistic behaviors, the actual effect doesn't take place if you're not believing that the actual ritual itself is worthwhile. Right. So for me, because I had what felt like this weird confirmatory message from the universe,

dude, I became like a zealot at that point. I was fully like, this is an answer. I started going out into my backyard and it was in the summertime luckily, so it was pretty warm. And I started getting into these calm, meditative states of mind, very basic as well, which was such a realization to me. It's what really sparked me wanting to make my YouTube channel was I was like dude I'm not a meditation expert and this happened so anyone can do this. Oh my god I need to tell people. So that was what happened. So okay. Initially and I think that this is some form of a progression of sorts because it starts off lightly and then it did result in some pretty spectacular things occurring. So it started off and I've always been someone who looks up at the stars. So I know what satellites

look like, shooting stars, meteorites, and I've always been a stargazer. What I first noticed was a drastic increase in the amount of what looked like satellites traversing over. So it would be a crystal clear sky, but within about 10 minutes, I'd seen upwards of 30 of these white orbs coming over in different directions. Wow. And that was enough for me to be like, hmm, you know, something's happening here.

This isn't normal. I don't usually see this many. So I started going out pretty much every single night within this summertime period in 2019 around August, June, July and August. And for maybe a few weeks, it was this type of influx of white satellite looking orbs. Then some of these white satellite looking orbs, as they were traversing, would begin to glow, glow, glow, and then flash, and then come back down again very slowly as if it was like

this kind of flash bulb effect, which is what it's commonly called in the whole contact community, which is a fringe below the fringe. So it's like a subculture within the already fringe topic of UFOs. Are these crazy people who say that they can contact them with their mind? And you know, that's not very easy to take on board if you're a skeptic of the UFO subject in general, then you've got this added layer of like, oh yeah, and you can also bring them in with your consciousness. However, what else can you call birds? Exactly, right?

Yeah, exactly, dude. It's like the worst type of thing you can tell a skeptic, and especially if you tell them, and you have to believe in it for it to work, and they're like, oh, of course you do. Yeah, thank you, buddy. Oh really? It goes like elf on the shelf, is that what it's like? You have to believe in it for it to work. Can I like, oh, of course you do. Yeah. Thank you, buddy. It goes like elf on the shelf, is that what it's like? Dude, honestly, the amount of conversations I've had to have on that to try and justify my position on this.

But either way, white orbs coming over in a higher frequency than I'm used to, then they start glowing and flashing, glowing and flashing. And this would be maybe three or four times. So it would come across the sky. It would start to glow, it would flash. It would bring itself back down. And then I would, in my mind, at least, send some form of

confirmatory thought, like, Hey, are you, are you here for me? Are you here for me? Flash, another quick bright flash. And it seemed to be responsive to what I was projecting towards it. So that, to me, was another step up on the belief scale of like, okay, this is something that's not normal. I haven't seen this before. But to kind of skip ahead,

the experiences that I ended up having in August in 2019, and I had four of them, really solidified my belief that I had to start putting my face on the camera talking about these experiences, seeing if other people were out there, because I was in my backyard, which is literally just out there, and I was at the back of my garden looking towards the house, looking up at the sky, again, crystal clear sky, beautiful evening, probably about 10 o'clock, 10.30 at night. And I was doing what at this point, it became my usual routine, which was to just get into this state, start projecting these thoughts and intentions and just scanning the sky and seeing what turns up.

And there were some flashes. I saw a flash of white light in a void of space, and I looked up and put my attention on it, and then I saw it again, another flash in the same spot, and then another flash, and then another flash, and it was just a static flash that was a no discernible object attached to it, just a static flash, flash, flash like that every second, second and a half. And I was watching this and it lasted for about five minutes or so. To the point where I was just like, OK, well, that's great. I'm going to keep looking around. Thank you for being here, whatever you are. I'm going to keep scanning the skies.

And I pan my head over. And there was a cloud floating across the sky. And I did a bit of a double take. I looked at this cloud. I kept looking back. And then I looked back at this cloud. And it was when I looked back at it the second time that I realized that there was something

not right with this cloud, because it's kind of hard to describe, but it was quite dark, it's quite a dark looking cloud. It looked like it had this light overlay of TV static, like there was a fuzz, some sort of kind of near fuzzy disruptiony field that was occurring. And when I noticed that, I was like,

OK, this is weird. What is this? Kima eyes on it. If this is my house, and I'm at the back of my garden looking towards my house, this cloud is basically in a trajectory where it's going to drift past my house and keep going off from basically from left to the right. And I'm at the back.

This cloud gets to basically from my line of sight directly aligned with my house and it does a complete right angle turn. It like unabrupt, unabrupt, jolting change of its direction and now it's coming towards me. So it's up in the air but eventually it's going to be above my head. It's slowly making its way over to me. When I saw it do this 90 degree change, dude, my heart skipped a beat. I was kind of stunned and locked in place,

I felt like a rabbit in headlights. Like I couldn't really move. I was just staring at this thing and knowing that it was eventually going to be directly above my head. So it got directly above my head. Duncan, I swear on everything I love in this world. This is the truth, what just happened to me. This cloud, as it got directly above me, it just sucked into itself. Like it just went like that. And inside it was a triangle formation of about 25, maybe 30 orange balls of light in a perfect triangle formation. Wow.

It didn't stop. So as it happened directly above me, I had to turn my head and watch as this triangle just went off into the distance and I could, as I was staring at it, I could see that some of these lights were like swapping places in the formation. They were like changing spots in the formation, so I don't think it was a solid craft. I think it was literally dude like a squadron of orange orbs, you know, and it's hard to believe, but I swear to God, like this happened to me.

And like, dude, the first person I phoned was my mom. It was like a restaurant or something. I just phoned my mom, like, you that can't believe it. Oh my God, I saw these orange jobs. She probably thought I'd had a psychotic breakdown, dude. You know, they believe me now. Now that I've had like, you know, CIA offices and Pensacle and Program Directors on my podcast, they're taking it a little bit more seriously, but I think it was pretty hard to digest at the beginning. But yeah,

that propelled me into knowing that this is real. I don't know what they are. I wouldn't ever say definitively, oh yeah, these are the archerians from the stars. You know, I don't know anything. I wasn't given telepathic messaging. Didn't get any downloads, but they responded to a coherent signal from the human body, which to me says so much about not only the non-local capacity of human consciousness, the idea that consciousness is a field, we're immersed in it and focalized as one kind of crystalline aspect of consciousness, but that it's actually an all pervasive field. It certainly seems suggestive that that's the case and the fact that there are intelligences out there, man We don't know what they are, but they pick up on these subtle frequencies that we produce and I kind of look at the human beings a

Bio quantum computational system will like a computer a quantum computer bio quantum computational system. We're like a computer, a quantum computer, biological. We have these incredibly sophisticated and intricate instruments for analyzing information and rendering reality. And we may even be responsible for collapsing the photon and the electron into its particle state, as is shown in things like the double-slip experiments. So we're these very interesting creatures. And there are other things out there. This is what was demonstrated to me. There are other things out there, and it's certainly, especially amongst all of the talk right now with the UFO field, which is very bureaucratic and kind of military industrial complex-oriented national security threats and sovereign airspace.

And you know, these things are intruding on our sensitive sites. And for me, there's this other side of it, where it's like, Hey, look, you get yourself into a grounded, peaceful, open, loving, intentional state. And some of these things turn up. And that says to me that there's room for optimism as well, that there's benevolence out there. But I'll let you respond in a second, but real quick, as I said, I had four experiences with these orange orbs. On two other occasions, they flew across the skyline in different formations,

like a W formation with a couple of them trailing off at the back and a V formation with a couple of them trailing off at the back. Just very quick traversals, as I was outside, they just kind of flew by, I saw it in my periphery, looked up and just caught this little formation of orange orbs flying across the sky. But it was the third. So I had four experiences, but it was the third experience where they came down close. And so I was again out in my garden, same routine, same type of thing, getting into these states. And I saw a flash of color in my peripherals. I looked up to the left and three of these orbs are flying across the sky in like a little formation, these three orbs. They stop on a dime, high up, but they stop on a dime

right above my house. And then, as I was looking at them, I noticed that they were descending, and they were coming down, and they were doing this weird weaving. They were like weaving around each other like this very hypnotic and kind of calming and they came down and froze about five feet above the roof of my house. They were roughly basketball sized. This kind of pastel light orange color, slightly transparent and something I didn't think about at the time but I've looked back on and realized is that they weren't giving off light. There was no kind of light dissipation onto the roof. The roof wasn't glowing. It was like a self-contained light somehow. Nothing was spilling out of it.

And they froze above the roof of my house for maybe a few seconds. Then they suddenly started moving again, and they began this routine of moving around each other. They went up and they literally floated over to my neighbor's garden over there and froze again. And I just, I couldn't think, there was no thoughts going on in my brain. I wish I could have at that time because obviously I'm getting into these meditative states and I'm like trying to send a message. Then they turn up and you just turn into an idiot because you're just like, you have no space in your mind for what's really happening. So I had no intelligent, ambassador type of welcome to earth message. I was just staring at them

with a dumb, struck face. But then, yeah, after like three seconds of being frozen over my neighbor's garden, they just suddenly started moving again. They went up and up and up and up and up and up until I couldn't see them and I haven't seen them since. I want to thank Loomy Labs not just for sponsoring the DTFH, but for supplying me with the greatest edible gummies of all time. Lumi Labs, microdose gummies, are a godsend for people who aren't lucky enough to be living in states with logical drug policy. When I left Los Angeles, the thing that I was most sad about was that I knew I would be

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And who knows what conversation you were having with them. You're waking mind might not have been aware of what was going on but I do think that they probably did talk to you. I mean, maybe the reason you became who you are and started doing what you're doing was not just because you saw it, but because there was a deeper sort of soul level communication happening. I almost attribute it to a psychedelic experience. There's like a neural genesis that seems to occur when you have a contact like this because it's so outside of your parameters of normal, much like a psychedelic experience, it throws you into being forced to embrace abstract and and wider types of concepts. And so I think that there is in some way, some level of neurological shift that might occur

and maybe the brain either accepts or rejects what it's seeing. And if you reject it, you just kind of shovel it in the filing cabinet. If you accept it, you start embracing a new type of reality. And dude, literally, I just got my camera phone. I went to the forest near me where no one could hear me,

where my neighbor's couldn't hear me. I put the camera on the tree branch and I just started talking about my experiences and telling people it was real and encouraging people to get into the States. And everything about my life now unfolded from those experiences. So when people say to me, yeah, it's what, dude, honestly, the life journey for me on a subjective level has just made me feel like there really is an inherent intelligence embedded into nature and that things move and assist you and that you respond to life, life responds back to you, manifestation is real to a certain degree and it just changed

everything about my life. I mean, I was like, I was a rock climbing instructor before I was in this field. So I was just not in this type of space whatsoever, just in a different type of world. And, and, and all of these doors opened up for me from them. So like, like you, I agree that these orbs, if their language is alien, it's the language of experience, like the way they spoke to me is by unfolding an experience for me right and trusting that you have the capacity to to deal with it because

Perhaps they're they know some people don't need to be diverted They don't need to deal with this extra layer of reality that is now seemingly being confirmed by this extra layer of reality that is now seemingly being confirmed by world governments. You know, there's a story in a documentary, and I can't remember the name of it, I'll get it for you. It's a documentary about Neem Crowley Baba, Ramdas's guru. And so as this story goes, they were hanging out by this mountain in India that's considered to be the sacred mountain. All of a sudden these orbs appear. One of his followers was like, we've got to

get a camera. We've got to film this. We have to get a camera. He just laughed. Do you want people to say I can call orbs? Is that what you want? But for it's just what you're saying. For him, this was normal because of where his consciousness was. And these things do seem to show up around certain people to the point where it's like verifiable. And so bizarre, so outlandish, you can't judge anyone for hearing your story or the story I just told or any of the countless stories out there.

And being like that is complete nonsense. We can't blame anybody for their skepticism. But I think one thing that we do know is that people are having these experiences that aren't charlatans, that aren't doing some stupid hoax. So to me, one way that I like to contemplate these stories and the UFO or whatever you want to call it phenomena is by looking at what evidence we do have, not like evidence pictures and all this stuff we wanted. I think we will have pretty soon, but the impact on humanity as a whole. In other words, the human biome has within it a strata of people whose lives have been changed, sometimes not for the better by contact with whatever these things are. And there is a coherence to the stories.

There is a repeating patterns. There are so many, not just like you could argue, okay, yeah, sure, well, that's just because you hear a story and then you hallucinate it or you want to see it, but historically, you look back and it's the same thing throughout time. And I agree with you that the conversation around UFOs has to have consciousness within it, has to have an acknowledgement that we might share a consciousness, not just with each other,

not just a planetary consciousness, but a universal consciousness. A kind of, if we are made of, if everything that we're made of, at some point came from the big bang, then we're entangled. We're entangled with the very first moment of time. We are, and this solves a lot of the problem of,

you know of traveling faster than light speed, because what it does, it's not called spooky physics, the way that you can. Spooky action at a distance. Yes, spooky action. This seems to overcome the speed of light and seems impossible, but within that,

you see a mechanism where potentially, or a medium, I guess you could say, through which these things could travel and thus be anywhere they want to be instantaneously. Well, this is what's fascinating about the time we live in Duncan, because even recently, I saw a study that demonstrated they've created a macro quantum event, a scalable quantum event meaning that the strange behavior that occurs on that quantum level of life, we've always considered it very difficult, or perhaps even impossible, to scale those effects up to our world. But we've recently had, like, though I can't remember the university that published it,

but they created a type of structure that has basically proved for it's just cat theory real. It was in two quantum states at once. And that's not something we've ever been able to do. So you look at the way that we're moving with quantum computation and quantum physics. You look at the way we're moving with artificial intelligence, even sophisticated consciousness studies, like the DMTX London Imperial College London trial that happened recently where they were probing into and mapping the realm of the DMT space. We're getting very sophisticated data about things that we once considered to be extremely exotic sci-fi types of concepts. So you think about this strange, deep trench within the UFO field of this

entanglement with consciousness. And right now it's still considered relatively woo-woo and and you know pseudo-scientific, but we are fast approaching a quantum era. And I think within that, and I have to believe, because it's just part of my optimism, I have to believe that technological advancement will assist us in spiritual advancement because that's where we're going, that's where we've cashed our chips, right? We've cashed our chips as a human species in technological progression, pretty much above all else. And you go, you know, you go back to the dawn of time, ever since we first sharpened a stick into a spear, we have been propagating technology. That's part of our influence is that we have this ability to create intellectual tools that further propel

and accelerates us through evolutionary time. We're like nothing else on this planet in that regard. So if you could zoom out from the trenches of the human experience, you might be able to see the mosaic we're creating through evolution. And I think at least the way that I try and see it is that early human history was very shamanistic. And we moved from that with the age of enlightenment and Newtonian reductionism and all these kind of dusty academic saying, oh it's just solid matter as we moved into this more technical analytical realm. I would like to think that we're now moving into something that I call techno shamanism, which is this idea that these two worlds are going to

meld together, that we're going to have science and spirit or physics and metaphysics, logic and intuition meld together. And the more sophisticated our technology gets into piercing into reality, the more likely these are to meet in the middle. And that's my optimism. If everyone's freaking out about AI and the global stage and I understand, but I genuinely think we might be on the precipice of a transformation of the human species, at least in terms of our way of looking at reality and responding to reality. So yeah, I think we're on the edge, man. I think we're on the edge of taking that woo-woo pseudoscience and realizing, oh, these are components of reality.

And we're like Jedi with amnesia. Yeah. And if you look into some of the most Impactful at least the ones I'm aware of some of the most famous scientists in the world of Nikola Tesla being one of them They were mystical like Tesla had a vision From which Emerge the technology that it has transformed the modern world. And, or look at, um, Parsons, uh, JPL, you know, he pals with Crowley. Or, yeah, similarly,

there's craters on the moon named after him. So I think that sort of in default reality, there is an assumption that is incorrect regarding the minds of the people who brought some of the greatest technologies in the world. Yeah, the basically mystic channelers. Yeah, the channelers, you know. Right, right. So that's where, and I get it. It's like, you know, I think if you kind of look at capitalism as a womb that is growing these like potentially spiritual technologies that will, you know,

create a benevolent transformation, that womb weirdly requires these sort of like acolytes or disciples of matter who you don't need to be lost in the idea of like, you know, angelic beings that we're now calling aliens or spiritual entities that we're now calling aliens. But really, they do need to be in default reality. They wanna be in default reality. And I guess the only problem there is they have this weird passion about defending default reality

as being the only possible reality. But to pull that off, they can't really look into the people who have constructed the technologies allowing default reality to exist. Because then the work gets pulled off from under them, right? Now they're really fucked. So now there's nowhere to hold on to at that point. So you don't investigate Tesla.

You don't investigate Oppenheimer who quoted the bug of Aghita when he was the nuclear bomb went off and that says everything about Oppenheimer. He was reading the Gita. You don't look into what was spiritually feeding these people and you can enjoy this nice three dimensional space time stuff with air conditioning, well not for you, but air conditioning. Yeah. And there's a comfortable. One of the best cases of that is that one

of the founding fathers of rationalism, René Descartes, because you know, René Descartes basically laid down the principles on which a lot of these very skeptical reductionists, rationalist types of minds, will then debunk, you know, an anomalous phenomena. But what they conveniently miss out is the fact that René Descartes was given the foundational principles of rationalism by an angel. At least that was his interpretation. So he was in a fevered dream. It was out in Prague, hidden listed in the army at that time. He was sleeping in a fever state. And he had an angel, or at least what he interpreted to be an angel, come and visit him in this fevered state. And it said something along the lines of, if you wish to understand the universe, you

must think in terms of measurement and number. And this inspired René Descartes to basically lay down the foundations of what now is used to debunk anomalous phenomena. So the irony of that is just the cherry on top of the cake, you know. Well, I think one way to look at it would be it's like Imagine the human species as like sailors who don't want to admit that there's something under the water. They want to like imagine it's just surface level stuff. And the stuff under the water is all the stuff that comes into the human consciousness field

that we call inspiration. And that inspiration is what gives us everything. That's where all the ideas come from, everything comes from that. And somehow people don't want to, it seems like people don't want to, again, I'll always go back to as above so below. It's like, yeah, some ways, you could argue, you could argue that like certain ideas are UFOs, certain ideas are UFOs flying into your subjective world from the vastness of your unconscious mind. And if you extantiate those ideas into reality, they will exist minus you. They go on to repeat themselves either momentically

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then it penetrates through the web of consciousness. It goes through dimensions that we don't even think are real. It influences different life events and brings you towards it. At least that's what happened to me. It felt like my life events were unraveling and it was only when I had those contact situations that I looked back and go, oh my god, it was like I was led to this. It was like life moved me to it. And so this is the fascinating kind of duality of these things. They're not just solid state vehicles, it's not just matter, it's mind, it's mind and matter, it's that symbiosis between spirit and science that I was talking about

in terms of my hopes for humanity, hanging above us in the skies like a shadow of our future human potential. This is what happens if you combine this hemisphere and this hemisphere in perfect sophistication. You have a vehicle that can not only traverse the dimensions of time and space, it can traverse the dimensions of consciousness, of whatever that really means. This is in some ways a spiritual vehicle. And that's what really gives me this kind of passion to understand it, because it's not as cut and dry as people think. And, you know, I've got a friend of mine who was a leading UK defense analyst, and he worked for some of these very good, you know,

top tier companies. He was the editor of a published publishing company called Jane's Defense Weekly, which is like this big defense mag, very not-some-bolts analytical orientated guy. He's now on the Bigelow Institute for Consciousness Studies Board and is completely immersed in the concept of this being entangled with human consciousness, with human spirit. So the deeper you dig, the more time you spend

on the UFO subject, you inescapably end up at this weird metaphysical, spiritual conscious soup, and it's fascinating, mate. It's funny that that seems surprising. And it's funny that when people do veer off into the spiritual angle when it comes to UFOs, they get discredited even within the UFO community. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And this speaks towards our sort of blindness that we have, some people, they have narrowed

their view and they expect UFOs to conform in some way with human technology or the aliens should be limited. I mean, some of the comments you, like with the current revelations coming out regarding the visitations by these things, one of the arguments that weirdly pops up is, well, there's no way, because the closest planet and the speed of light, and there's no way. And it's like, you're talking about a question mark, but you're ascribing to the question mark limitations based on terrestrial technology and human limitation.

astrial technology and human limitation and and if it doesn't fit in with like Einstein's theories, then it can't be possible It's not possible and to me that's just so odd that people fervently into the UFO or UIP or whatever you want to call it field seem to refuse to acknowledge that There might be some novelty at work here that is so Different than anything we could ever understand that we can't even see it Maybe that is the reason if you do the Greer

Meditation prescription that suddenly you start seeing these things It's not that you're calling them as much as you're sort of wiping some dust off the windshield And seeing what's happening in the bandwidth Yeah, it's like widening the bandwidth of your perception, you know And that's another thing dude like people forget that we exist on the visible light spectrum of experience. Like, you know, there is a whole spectrum that is completely invisible to us. We can't see infrared and ultraviolet and extreme precision with our eyes. Like this tiny, tiny little slice of default sensory experience is being used as the kind of explanatory blueprint for everything.

It's like, that's not fair. You can't do that because we're limited by our perception. So we're going to be limited with the kind of models we can create for reality. And as you said, this usage of either the Fermi paradox or great filters or the speed of light restrictions that distance between stars and planets, this is the territory of, you know,

Brian Cox or Neil deGrasse Tyson or some of these people that go, oh, well, I think because of these restrictions, but it's a human template on something that is inherently not human. Right. And may have had a whole lot longer to advance. And also I leave the door very wide open to multi-dimensional intelligences in this subject.

I don't think it's necessarily just aliens from a planet in another star system. I think this could incorporate some very novel ideas about intelligences from other dimensions. And the fact that you have bleed through in psychedelic, near death experience, trans and dental meditation, and UFO experiences, there are correlatory archetypes that appear in all of these different modes of getting into a higher state of consciousness.

So a higher state of consciousness is the keystone, that's the underpinning keystone. It's represented in all these different practices, these archetypes show themselves in all these different practices. So I think that's probably an alien element. I doubt we're the only ones on a dirtball flowing through space I'm sure there are plenty of those but I think and I do think with the kind of contact modalities We were discussing which led to me having my experiences. I don't think that's alien I think is I mean, it's alien to us, but I don't think it's that typical traditional thing

I do think it could be something that we might call spiritual or at least metaphysical or ultra-dimensional and It could be something that we might call spiritual or at least metaphysical or ultra-dimensional. And I've spoken to some incredible people during my time in this field. I mean, honestly, it's such a wild journey. Like I said, I went from setting up a camera on a tree branch to flying to Florida to me a former director of special projects for Los Alamos National Labs. And these incredible people who have had exposure to this type of issue internally. And this individual in question,

this Los Alamos projects manager, he was like, I think it's just interdimensional. I think this is a higher dimensional object coming into our reality and we're just seeing a little slice and he compared it to, oh, what's that book, Flatland? Have you heard of Flatland? Yeah, sure. Yeah, but why don't you describe it to the listeners?

Well, Flatland is quite a small book, but it's basically the whole book is premised around the idea that this three-dimensional object comes into a two-dimensional reality. So Flatland is a two-dimensional reality. Everyone exists on that dimension, and it's about this three-dimensional object coming in and how it's perceived and how people respond to it. And this individual Oakshaan and from Los Alamos, he kind of gave the same idea that these things that we're seeing. This could just be a little slice of a higher-dimensional object and we're not getting the full picture. I certainly think there's an element of that represented in the UFO field alongside what could genuinely just be spaceship from another dimension or another

another part of space even you know they're working on these things you've got David Grush coming out as the whistleblower recently saying that we've got multiple intact non-human exotic vehicles that are being studied and this is not nothing new to the UFO research field I mean you know most people in the field who've done their due diligence are looking at groups like Lockheed Martin and Raytheon and Boeing and with wary eyes, right, Patterson Air Force Base and all these different corners of the national security architecture that at least from historical reference, it would seem one sequestered materials and studied them. And the even more easy to trace history is the obsession with anti-gravity, electro-gravitics, novel propulsion, exotic energy,

like there is a paper trail, especially in the 1950s. It's very strange, because it kind of looks like in the 1950s, a lot of mainstream physics was looking at anti-gravity or gravity generation or manipulation as the next logical step. Right. It was the next logical step and then it just stopped. And you can literally see this in the history where labs got shot down or scientists just disappeared off the grid. And so these types of companies had a vested interest in pouring millions and millions, maybe even billions,

into these types of novel gravity generation types of systems. companies had a vested interest in pouring millions and millions, maybe even billions, into these types of novel, gravity generation types of systems. And to think that they haven't made any sort of advancement in that area with 70 plus years worth of black budget money being poured into it off the books, I think that's very unlikely. So there's also the possibility that some of these things we're looking at in the sky and thinking, oh my god, that must be an alien spaceship could actually be a lockied Martin platform of some form that we're just not ever disclosed to the public. Yes, I, yeah, that I think is like, to me, certainly one of the more logical explanations or that they're, you know,

because you know, it makes a perfect cover right you are supposed to a perfect cover oh that's just you know it's just a UFO don't worry about that with a perfect way to simultaneously test your vehicles while discounting completely that they're yours and definitely a wonderful way to send messages to your enemies who are probably smart enough to be like, that's not a fucking UFO, what do they have? What is that?

Wait, they're shutting down their nuclear silo. How are they doing that? That's not a UFO. I think that with Groschen particular, did you watch then, of course you did, you watched the interview, and I don't, what was the name of the interviewer what was his name so right Ross is a Ross is a good friend of mine Ross Colt Hart he's a multi-sister alien investigative reporter very well known in Australia and he did such a

good job has blown up yeah well he's he's great I mean not to to my own home but I got the first interview of that dude back in 2021. I got introduced to him just as he was getting his toes wet in the UFO field and we've, you know, got like a little chat group where we spoke over the years. And yeah, we did the first interview where he was highlighting some of these things and a couple of them I've reposted

onto my YouTube channel in light of all of this reverse engineering program hype, just to remind people what the dude was saying because two years ago, back in 2021, he was saying the same things about his sources being giving him this type of information. He had one of the things, and I'm sorry to derail them, I'm sure you were gonna ask about Dave Gresh, but just one quick tidbit with Ross.

Someone that he managed to meet who unfortunately passed away and one of the reasons why the guy reached out to Ross was because he knew he was dying. He was dying of cancer. He was the former director of the US Navy's entire science and technology division. He was the head guy, a guy called NAT, N-A-T, Cobits, K-O-B-I-T-Z, and he got in touch with Ross, and they started a kind of friendship, and they met up a few times, and Ross didn't really push him on what he wanted to ask him, and eventually this guy just went, you know, Ross, why don't you just ask me what you really want to ask me, and he said, okay, that, you know, where you ever read in to retrieval or reverse engineering programs relating to UFOs. And he said, yes. And he said that there have been multiple

retrievals. This was like a couple years ago. So, you know, this is not the first time. And there's been so many high level testimonies over the decades of people saying, yes, we have these programs. Yes, we do have these vehicles. I think even if people have their doubts about Dave Grush right now because it's early days and it's hard to know exactly what's happening, especially when you've got people coming from the intelligence architecture, it's difficult to trust, it's difficult to know what's really going on behind the scenes, but the acknowledgement from someone like Dave Grush and the official complaint to Congress and to the Inspector General, like that raises the bar a little bit. It's not just some guy making claims and not backing it up.

He could go to jail. He could go to jail. He could go to jail. Like, I don't think people understand how valuable it is to have security clearance, how for people in the intelligence community, that's your bread and butter. And when you lose that, you're fucked. And so for someone like that to essentially throw their career away for a few interviews and to deal with, I mean, aside from the God knows what he's going through

just from the psychological warfare and threats coming from the intelligence community, but just to deal with the general like being marked as like an idiot or a charlatan or someone having a psychotic break. I mean, it's not like what he's doing benefits him as a person in any way, at least in a way that's, that's, you know, makes sense based on what the rest of his life is gonna be like, assuming that other people don't start coming forward and he, like the damn breaks.

So that sucks for him, but you know, one thing I do when I'm watching these interviews or one thing I do, you know, watching the hearings, the UFO hearings and stuff is I look at the people doing the interview and I think, cause you know, it's easy to get caught up in Grush, but what's his name, Ross?

Ross? Ross, yeah, Ross Coltard, CEO of ULTH, A-R-T for anyone listening. Yeah, obviously I don't know this for sure, but I'm watching him and I'm thinking, oh fuck, grush, he showed him stuff that he's told him that he can't talk about. And he told him stuff that he said, you can't talk about this. And so I like to imagine I can see the weight of that information on these people's shoulders because you can't fucking hide it.

And the hearings, when you see these people after they get the debrief, they don't seem okay. Like they seem legitimately spun by this stuff. And from that, you can extrapolate a lot because these people are being told stuff that does not fit in with default reality. And they're working through in their own minds how to ethically, morally continue to do their jobs

with some of the information that they've been told. And you can see it on their faces. These are fucking politicians. They're trained to not get rattled. I mean, I'm sure you saw the interview, the hallway interview. What was his name? Oh, I'll go just been a few of them now. There's one who said lock your doors.

Lock your doors. lock your way. Lock your doors. Yeah. Yeah. Like this is just after he gets the download. And you look, just look at his face. Just forget whether he's a Republican or a Democrat. Just know this is a trained politician who is not supposed to get rattled.

He is rattled. And so, so I think you can learn a lot from that because a lot of these people are, and I do think it's a burden, which is why another reason people in the intelligence community don't tell some of us, some of the things they might wanna tell us because they are having to deal with it

in their own lives. Losing security clearance aside, they don't want to burden somebody with this shit because it's a lot, I think, for them to deal with. Dude, like, I really want to know the truth to this subject, but I do not envy people in extremely high classification levels in this subject, like within government. Like that must be one of the toughest things to be shouldered with this type of knowledge and to know you can't say anything about it

because it's a national security secret. I mean, the amount of pressure, which is why, you know, I'm pretty fortunate. Like I'm a young guy, I drifted into this from just putting a camera on a tree branch, but I've got some pretty amazing contacts these days, like within the intelligence community, within DC, people that are a little bit closer to the conversation that's happening, and I get little tidbits bit of private information, like there are more whistleblowers,

there are more whistleblowers, people who have had genuine access, like Grush is referring to all of the high level senior sources that came to him, people who said they were in the program, you know, but it's second hand testimony. What's happening under the surface level right now is there are first hand testimony people ready to go and waiting to go. And you know, the whistleblower protection act, because for people that don't know, like this year, in the signing of the National Defense Authorization Act, the NDAA, was a series of legislative changes relating to UFOs. So you had this kind of like blanket coverage investigation, multi-agency investigation of

all the information about UFOs going all the way back to 1945 if that was kind of one of the legislative prerequisites for this year. And then there was the whistleblower protection act which is going to be put in place to essentially be a safeguard for people who are read into this out. And that's title, title 50 legislation, which is what David Grush is basically relying on to be safe and protected. The only issue of that is, and this is something that Ross has brought up and a few other people have brought up, is that even if it protects that individual, it doesn't protect that individual's family, like for example, if your son or daughter wanted to get a job in the intelligence community or in the military, that might not happen anymore because now you've basically been blacklisted as a problem. So, there are lots of factors that play that make people hesitant to come out.

You know, I've spoken to some individuals who have relative levels of access that do not want to come out because they're worried about the ramifications that might occur for them, their family, etc. So there's a lot of pressure. There is a genuine raising of the temperature occurring right now with this subject, and I think it is this kind of ontological shock factor that they're trying to avoid by just warming the water gradually and introducing more and more elements from what I was told. to gradually and introducing more and more elements from what I was told. And this was coming from someone who retired at a very high level within the intelligence community. I won't say which particular agency, but what I was told was that the non-human intelligence aspect of this has basically been greenlit, that the compartments that are being held in classified

annexes are being greenlit to start opening up the doors, letting people know, yep, there is a non-human intelligence, there is technology, we do have that technology, but our capabilities is going to remain secret. Our capabilities is in the reverse engineering success, the potential success of being able to recreate these very exotic platforms, these very novel energy generation systems, the manipulation of space time, the manipulation of gravity curvature. This stuff is not going to be public knowledge.

And so there is this non-human component, but you have to remember that there's a human component to this. And that's actually what worries me more than the non-human component is the idea that we the crazy monkeys have, you know, space-time weaponry or something that's just too out there for you to really even comprehend. Right. Well, I mean, again, this is truly spitballing, but... Mm-hmm. Okay, take... I think it was in Grudge. It was one of Grudge.

Someone, something someone told Grudge, I think you probably know the source of this, you know, the story of like they had a 30 meter craft, but someone went inside. It was inside of a football stadium. You know what I'm talking about? What did that came from grouch or that gun from? Was that grouch? I don't want to say it came from grouch because I don't think it did, but I know this, I heard the claim being flowed around that there was this vehicle that was small in size, then you went inside it and it was gigantic, which again, and that's actually a concept from Doctor Who, if anyone has heard of Doctor Who, which is a very popular sci-fi British thing with a flying police box, that the Doctor would travel through, but you go inside it and it's just gigantic vehicle.

And I suppose that could be some form of space time dilation. It's very difficult to wrap your head around the growth of that. Who knows? But that spun me a little bit because then I started thinking, what's to say, we're not inside one of these things. What's to say if they're... Right. ...they're not. ...then we're in some kind of egg. What's to say we're not kids, we're in some kind of egg. What's to say, we're not in some cosmic egg.

I often go back to, I don't know, did you see the grant morson? You know, grant morson is. Yeah, yeah. You were at the invisible, did you see that rant he did at some conference where he was talking about? No, I don't think so.

I will send it to you. It's incredible. He's like, clearly like hammered and high as a kite, which I think he admits to during it. But that certainly does nothing to slow down his brilliance. He's so brilliant. And right, right. He's brilliant.

He didn't, I think this is prior, I don't know if he came into contact with Greer or whatever, but essentially he was in Kathmandu on some hash and had made the decision he wanted to see these things. Like there was the, first you have to ask and, you know, weirdly this is the, in like secret societies and some magical systems. The pre-e requisite is, no one's coming to you and giving this to you until you ask for it. You have to not just ask, you have to really want it. And then you get it. And this is in the Bible too, you know, if I just ask. And you know, ask and

you will be told, all the answers will be revealed to you. But you got to ask first. So essentially, Etaux about this crazy vision he had in Kathmandu, where he was shown alpha-centory. And he was told that humans are essentially larva that is being grown in time space, in the medium of time space, where like this is where our mom are real mommy and daddy lay their eggs and they grow us in time space and then and then we get to like you know join our true family but you start here this is the hatchery. This is a hatchery we are in a hatchery right now and This is a hatchery. We are in a hatchery right now. And the hatchery idea, things get really interesting. Just if you play around with that thought experiment, you would expect when

an incubator is ready to hatch, an uptick in the midwives showing up an uptake in. You would expect that. Right. When labor starts, that's when the doctor shows up. And so to me, that's the part that gives me a little bit of the wobbly creeps, is I think like, wait, oh shit, are we about to hatch? Is that what's happening here? I mean, dude, it kind of feels like we're about to hatch in different ways. I mean, the UFO subject is one aspect of this, but like we were saying, you know, quantum

mechanics, AI, psychedelic and consciousness studies, we're arriving at a new potential chapter in the human story and I genuinely do get the sense that there is some level of preparation or Sottle integration from this phenomena that's in some way either keeping tabs on us and keeping an eye on us as we get towards this state or is in some way subtly Assisting with us getting towards that state and you know, I and we were kind of talking about this before I'm just saying about how people look at the way the world is going and it's it's a pretty cynical world view because Everything kind of it's falling to shit or at least it looks like it

Yeah, but you look at that from the perspective of your own life and I said this a few times, you know, at least for me, if I look at it from the perspective of my own life, dude, there's been so many moments where my personal world was falling apart. Also, my personal reality was falling apart and chaos and destruction in different ways and and it's like, you know, you're going through the fire. But when you have enough separation in time from that event and you look back, you go, oh wow, okay, I see how that clicked in place. I see how as painful as it was, it was necessary to help me grow, it helped me get stronger, it transformed me in some way. And if we look at the human species as a collective group as a single entity, we're just going through the evolutionary stresses and strains and developmental

hiccups along the road. And I do think, you know, especially when it really increases in intensity, I kind of get the feeling like with a human being, it's kind of like you always have the ability to make that decision, to make that change that you need to make. If you're not really being the full person you're supposed to be, you do have the freedom to make that choice. We don't always make that choice. So reality comes along and just goes, oh, bam, and just like, I've made the choice for you. You either pick up these pieces and you build something better or you just stay as a shattered

thing. So most people would pick up the pieces over time and they build themselves together and they get over that event and they're stronger. And so I look at the way that the world is with, you know, kind of like geopolitical craziness and climate craziness and just social craziness, everything's in hyper, hyper state. And I actually try and look at that as the best available evidence that we're transforming, that we're going through a process, that it's not always fun, it's not always easy, but it's necessary, it's an evolutionary prerequisite for us to get to the next stage, and any time an old system or old model is replaced with a new one, by literally

just cause and effect, that old one has to die off or blow to pieces like disintegrate because it's being replaced like the phoenix rising from the ashes you have to go through that fire and then you get to rise out of it and I think we're in that moment I think we've had a lot of those moments throughout human history we've demonstrated our transformative capabilities to adapt and grow but this where we are now this is beyond the wheel, it's beyond electricity, it's beyond even fire, because we're at a position now where we're giving birth to like an artificial god, and we're a part of it. We're the gestation process for this technology. In fact, I was listening to, I can't remember which Joe Rogan episode it was, but he was talking to someone where they said that

we are the sex organs for the arts in the world. And I was like, dumb. Yeah, for the machine world, right? And I was like, yeah, damn, I kind of feel that. Like, I think it's more important than that. But it's also like, yeah, that's an element. We're giving birth to this stuff. So if evolution isn't making a mistake, if nature isn't making a mistake, because we are, unless the Ananakia real, we emerge from nature and we emerged from this planet and our consciousness developed and became more sophisticated almost as if Mother Nature is caching all her chips in the human species. It's like, right, I'm going to concentrate intelligence in this one primate species. Let's see if

we can create a vehicle through which I can explore my own landscape and we are the conscious explorers of our own planet, which means that we are in some ways our planet embodied as individuals exploring itself. And we have this insatiable, internal, almost unconscious drive, which is drive, innovation, creation, technology, just more, more, more, more complex, we're filling ourselves out into space. And I think it was Terence McKenna that said that the job of the human species

is to transform itself from a camel into an F-16 mid-flight. And I love that. I love that because it's like, yeah, we're like this shumbling creature that's getting more streamlined, more fast, more acceleration. And so I don't think evolution or nature has made a critical error with humanity.

I think we're an expression of nature and we are following our evolutionary path. But with such a novel multifaceted creature that our path through evolution, when you're down in the trenches, there's just an individual kind of observer of it. It's like, dude, this is crazy. We're just insane. We're just, we're destroying our planet. And it's true. But these might all be just components of that step by step progression until we're ready to go out there, man. And so we're ready to voyage out into the great unknown. Jay Anderson, thank you so much for coming on the show. Please come back on everybody. Follow. You're coming on mine next week. I cannot wait. We will continue to come to this nation. Part two is next week.

Project unity, YouTube project, unity, Twitter, follow. Both of these feeds. I'm telling you folks, this is where I have gotten so much good information. And as you can tell, truly a brilliant person. Jay, thank you so much for coming on the show. Duncan, it's been a pleasure to be repeated soon. How did Grace know? Thank you.

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