Duncan Trussell Family Hour - 584: Charles Wesley Godwin

Episode Date: October 6, 2023

Charles Wesley Godwin, incredible country/folk artist, joins the DTFH! Check out Charles' album, Family Ties, available everywhere you listen to music. You can learn more about Charles, find his tour dates, and a lot more at CharlesGodwin.com! Original music by Aaron Michael Goldberg. This episode is brought to you by: FÜM - Visit TryFUM.com and use code DUNCAN at checkout to get 10% Off your first order!  AG1 - Visit DrinkAG1.com/Duncan for a FREE 1-year supply of vitamin D and 5 FREE travel packs with your first purchase! Squarespace - Use offer code: DUNCAN to save 10% on your first site.

Greetings to you friends. It is ID, True Cell, and this is the Duncan Trussle Family Hour podcast. Now I know a lot of us are pissed at the algorithm all the time. The algorithm sometimes seems like a demonic force. For example, the first time I went on to TikTok, it just decided that I wanted to see pimple popping videos. And it was weirdly right. Like I didn't know that's what I wanted. I went on there because I wanted to look at beautiful women into loom, giving me advice about how to live a better life. But pretty soon it just started suggesting hardcore pimple popping clips, sprays of pus and big explosions of blistered pox from the backs and faces of people, I'll never meet.

And though I did enjoy those videos, I really wanted it to just show me women in thongs talking about how I can be a better dad. To make a long story short, I was on Spotify and I've become so jaded by the algorithms suggestions of music that I might like that I don't really pay attention to the playlist that it creates for me. But this time, I got lucky. It suggested today's guest Charles Wesley Godwin. And because I was on my way to the airport in the back of an Uber and was too lazy to dig around for my own music. I was like, fine, I'll listen to it. Let's see what it is. As it turns out, it introduced me to what has become my favorite country singer.

His music is incredible. It reminds me of the first time I listened to Johnny Cash or Willie Nelson. It's just perfect. It's perfect country music. And yet yet it's got this modern edge to it that is really hard for me because I'm not, I'm musically illiterate basically to understand why that is or what's going on there, but it is beautiful. And before you listen to this episode, I'd love it if you would just check out the first

track from his incredible album, Family T love it if you would just check out the first track from his incredible album Family Ties, which you can find everywhere. I did not expect him to even write back to me, but I followed him on Twitter, sent him a DM, and he agreed to do my podcast, which is wonderful. Now, that being said, there is something scary when you get to have a conversation with someone whose art you really love. And so, of course, I had a little bit of trepidation here, like, who knows? What if it turns out that he is somehow completely different than the person that you hear in his songs? And I was thrilled to find out

that you hear in his songs. And I was thrilled to find out he's exactly the same person. His music is a direct reflection of his life, which is a pretty incredible life with a really interesting story behind it. So get ready for this awesome conversation with Charles, Wesley, Godwin, and if you want to go see and perform live, I'll have links at DuncanTrustle.com. I think most of his shows are sold out, which is no surprise to me, but you some of you might still be able to get tickets in I'm going to see him in October this month. I can't wait. All right, fine. Now, some quick announcements. If you are listening to this on the 5th of October, then I'm gonna be in Cobb's San Francisco,

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Chuck, welcome to the DTFH. It is so nice to meet you in person. Yeah, thanks for having me on, Duncan. Your music has become like a go-to for me. I, you know, sometimes the algorithm, it just works. And I don't know how it even happened, but just served up your music. I'm listening to it on the way to the airport,

your newest album. And I'm like trying to, like the, I don't even think that Uber driver's looking at me, but I'm just like wiping tears away because it's like you know I'm a new dad, you're a dad and you're this album about family. It's just you hit every single angle of like what it's like when you're when you become a parent and how deep it gets. Did you with this album like how long have you been planning to write an album about family? I've been working on this a couple years, the past couple years now and it really started coming together when my wife was pregnant with my firstborn in 2019. That's when I wrote Gabriel for him, you know,

before he was even born. So I kind of had that one put away and I could I could kind of see where you know where where my heart was kind of wanting to lead me with writing and that one did not fit on, would end up being the next album. But then, you know, the way things worked, that is where everything was kind of leading me after that second album got out, was to go towards that.

And honestly, I mean, the reason why is therapeutic for me. You know, I've been gone hundreds of days a year for the last three years and I got you know three year old and one year old and a wife at home and you know it's just that that we are time in my life where things with my work and career you know the iron is hot and the opportunities here if I'm willing to work for it to put the time and now to have that relief and that maybe that the dream schedule, after a few years of hard work, for the rest of my life.

So there's a big sacrifice there and I'm missing a lot, I have missed a lot, you know. So this album was therapeutic for me, you know, working through shame and depression and guilt and also the other side is just, you know, I just like anybody that has a family, I love my family with everything that I have. So it was all, you know, it was just all that kind of mixed in to, and songwriting's always been my outlet. So it says, that's the piece of work I came up with.

Oh, you hear your love for your family in every song. And like anyone who loves their family, it's like that resonates with us. Because you're putting into words this sometimes, like if you're not a songwriter, a pretty indescribable feeling of connection. And forgive me, I have a sludge brain, so I'm not gonna be able to name,

I'm sorry if I don't name the exact tracks. Oh, you're good. But your song about the way family is connecting you with your ancestors. Do you know what I'm talking, which track is that? Family ties. Family ties, my God. And that's something, there's so many things

when I became a parent that I just didn't expect to happen. And that was one of them where suddenly you just somehow feel this presence or this, you realize that the countless lives that came before and how you're just one more rung on this ladder going forward in the time. And so it feels like you sing about your ancestors a lot in your songs. So can you tell me about that? It's a mining family?

Is that what it is? Or yeah, yeah, my dad was a coal miner. And my great grandfather, Moore was one as well. So there's been a lot of mining, a lot of preaching, a lot of farmers, school teachers, professors, you know, soldiers, that's kind of the background of my family. And yeah, I like drawing and this will change as I go and as I write more and stuff, but it's been a great well to draw from is their life experiences and the things that they've experienced because I mean,

it's been pretty remarkable. You know, it's an interesting, unique, authentic take that I can offer people around the world, the rest of the country, that anybody that listens to my music, that they can hear kind of these stories and songs about generations you know, generations, past generations of my family that might, you know, they might relate to as well in their own. And like you said, where, you know, some folks aren't able to put into words, maybe the thoughts and feelings that they have about their own life, maybe a love or a feeling that they have or, you know, how they feel about their ancestors, maybe my music can help connect them to that. And again, it's been, I love writing songs, so I've loved getting to dive into that and kind of making something beautiful out of my grandparents know, writing a song like, Seneca Creek about them. And, you know, I got to take some poetic, you know,

license with making it sound maybe a little bit prettier than it was. But that's the fun of it. Yeah, well, I mean, you're, so your dad, when he was going to work, he was going into a mountain. Like that was just into a dangerous mountain. And how, you know, you talk about going out in the road, you know, when I go out in the road just for a weekend,

I don't have the touring musician life, it's brutal. Like the ache to see your family just for a week and you miss them so much. You know, this is, when you're facet face timing with them or whatever, it's still like, you want to be there. But what was that like having your dad leave to go perform one, maybe one of the most dangerous jobs out there? Are you aware of how dangerous it was? Yeah, yeah. My brother and I were always, you know, my dad had two rules that that my brother and I were never allowed to go down into the mines. And then he would never

let us handle a chainsaw until we grew up. There's a to him, you know, chainsaw is the mines and motorcycles were the most dangerous thing in the world and there's a lot of wisdom to that. Yes, there is. But yeah, my dad grew up lower class. My grandfather was a preacher and my grandmother had six siblings, so my grandmother just was raising him and his brothers and sisters. The minds were great money. He got into them in the 70s, and it was a huge great source of income

and allowed him to save money and him and my mom were able to elevate themselves economically, because of that. So it was a great opportunity for him on one hand, but then on the other hand, their countless close calls that he's told me about. When he was my age, he was just getting out of this, but from age 27 to 30, he was working

a really small coal scene that was 26 and a half inches. That's 26 and a half inch coal, that means from Florida ceiling. See, it was crawling in a mile each day, crawling back out. And, you know, they weren't, the person that he worked for, they weren't using roof bolts at that time too, which is, you know, completely illegal. And that would never pass today. But, um, so anyways, you know, he comes from a different world. And, you know, that stuff from a different world and you know that stuff doesn't exist today Thankfully, yeah, and you know by by the end he ended up in the 90s

He left the mines He'd gotten his mining engineering degree and went above ground and he ended up being a very talented manager of Manufacturing and and became one of the he became like the number one chrome plating expert in the world. Whoa. Worked for a different company and he'd go around the world and kind of flip chrome shops and make them world class. So not to get too much into the weeds, but... I like the weeds, that's wild man, those aren't weeds, that's wild.

That's like going from crawling through a mine, a mile to becoming like the top of an industry. That's an incredible story. Like that is beautiful. He's very, you know, he's very talented and when he sets his mind to something like he graduated first in this class, that mining engineering at West Virginia. So, yeah, you know, he was, he definitely did well for himself and made me very proud of him and, you know, a lot of the values and things that, whether

he knew he was showing my brother and I or not, a lot of that passed down to us. And it, you know, it's in large part probably the reason why I've been able to keep going, you know, on this path that I'm on and didn't quit way back in the years when it looked ridiculous. And as a comedian, everybody has those years where it does not look like you're a professional at all. And all your friends and family are like, when are you going to give this up? Oh my God. You got to have, there's got to be something in you that gives you that toughness to keep going. And I know anybody in entertainment has it.

Yeah, you gotta have that because you can't, you know, you can't expect your mom to be like, oh yeah, do you like the most unpredictable, difficult job that no one succeeds at? You'll, I really want you out there in Los Angeles. Like, just like, what, do we open mics? But you know, she would always be like, when you're ready to stop, you can come back.

My friend works at a book packing warehouse and you could come pack books. It's like, I'm not coming to pack books. I'm like, I would be like, I'm not doing that. I'm not going to Pat Books. I'm not coming to Pat Books. I'm not doing that. I'm not going to Pat Books in Asheville. There's got to be some other job. I want to thank Fume for supporting this episode of the DTFH.

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I didn't start until I was 20 years old. Yeah, yeah, I kind of got a late start. I picked up a guitar when I was in college as a hobby. I watched the Ava Brothers and Bob Dylan and Mumford and sons play at the Grammys. I was just sitting there watching on TV in February 2011 and I was like, man, that would be a cool hobby to have because I just played sports all grown up. So there I was in college and I tried to walk on for, for WVU and didn't make it.

I wasn't good enough to make the team. Some of them are like, just with all this free time I had never had before in my life, trying to figure out what else I can get into because a hunting and fishing was kind of the only other things outside of sports that I did. But you know, you can't do that every day when you're in college and in town stuff like that. So so yeah, I was just kind of like in that young like young adult like world, you know, and just trying to figure out like what's my thing? I was a I was majoring in finance and had no reason why

I was majoring in finance because you know reason why I was majoring in finance. Because you're 18 years old and they're like, and West Virginia, we had the promise scholarship. So I had really good grades. So I had the, I got to go to college for free, but I didn't know what I loved or what I wanted to do in life. So it's like, well, I'm going to go to college because I get to go for free, but I have no idea what I want to do. So they're like, what do you want to do? I don't know, like finance. So they're having college getting a free education, but not really. I almost wish I could have had 10 years to sit on that scholarship and then be like, okay, I know what I want to get a degree in, but anyways, that's not the way it worked. So yeah, it started out as a hobby,

and I just pick it up 15 minutes a day, and I wasn't trying to write songs or sing at that point. So the first year, I was just trying to string some chords together, and finally kind of clicked in early 2012, where I could string some chords together, so then I started learning some songs, and kind of singing them to myself and just having just again like having fun in the evenings and I did a study abroad to Estonia, my junior

college. So I'll bring my guitar over there and I got six other flatmates and I'm living with over there. So again, I'm still kind of doing my evening routine to practice in a little bit and just playing music and then they come in and listen to me. And that kind of made me uncomfortable because that's, you know, I never sang for people. I don't want to sing for anybody. I was kind of shy about that. And one night, we were three or four months in over there, and there was a concert in town in Tartu. That was the town I was living in.

And me and my buddies, we all go to the show and my roommate Belom from Mexico City, he grabbed my guitar out of the room after I had left and took it to that show. And so we're sitting there watching this show and it ends and it's like in this little club, if I remember right, it might have been maybe a 200 cat, just a small little place. After the show, Balon runs up on stage and they hadn't turned the sound off. He's like, Charlie, come play a song.

I'm like, kind of looking around. I'm like, Oh, no. And I'm like, kind of hoping a security guy will come and, and like, just pick him up and take him off the stage. But I don't even think this place had security. So that didn't happen. The sound still had turned off. And then the long convinces the whole room to start changing Charlie, Charlie, Charlie, and I'm like, Oh, shit. And I'm kind of weighing it Charlie Charlie Charlie and I'm like oh shit and I'm kind of weighing it in my head I'm like do I whos out or at this like at this point what's the best move here because I do not want to sing but I also don't

at this point like you just man up and just do it you know so I went up and and sang probably like country roads or something because I only knew like five songs. And I was like shaking in my jeans and just like this is ridiculous. But I got through the song, you know, it seemed like everybody enjoyed it. I didn't voice out. I was like, huh, you know, crisis averted and forgot about it. And then so that was like a Friday night. Then the next Monday I got a Facebook message

from a fashion designer there in Tartu. And she asked if I would play for her fashion show that Friday. She said, she asked if I could fill 20 minutes and then she'd pay me 150 euro. So I was like, OK, I can do that. That's like five songs. Just enough, you know?

Yeah. So I show up to this, it's like this cafe that has a courtyard in the center of it. Yeah. And there are these French doors on each end. And she had like a mics and a PA setup and a sound guy there, I show up, plug in and play for 20 minutes

as the models, like would walk through the courtyard and it was lined on both sides with all the people and it ended up being a lingerie fashion show. Like fun. I'm sorry. I'm horrible. That was my first gig Duncan. That's God saying you're on the right path. I always say it. I peaked. I'll never talk that. It was the first gig. So anyways, I've filled my 20 minutes, probably just very green and all. But anyways, I got through it.

You paid 150 euro. And I'm like, this is the easiest work I've ever done in my life to get this much money. So from then on I was hooked. I was like, I'm going to do this without a doubt. So when I came back to West Virginia, I started singing bluegrass music with a couple of buddies in mind that I grew up with, one picked up the banjo, other one picked up a bass, and that's kind of how it all started.

And then when I decided I was going to do this for a living, I was like, well, you got to write songs. So I started writing and then that's when I was like, you know, I really fell in love with this and kind of was just lucky enough to realize that this was the thing I was meant to do. So you had, you know, the classic country music singers, they all start in

Estonia at lingerie. Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, so weird. What's it with Estonia? And you guys, it's Estonia than the lingerie show. Yeah. Then bluegrass. That is such a wild story. Do you think that if your flatmate had not brought your guitar to that show that your life would have gone in a completely different direction? Probably. Yeah. I think I would have gone down whatever traditional path I was headed. Who the hell knows what kind of job I'd have whether I'd be an acupacal or whether I'd be trying to like buy properties and flip them. Who knows what I would have gotten to. Probably teaching history, honestly daily foundational nutrition supplement that supports whole body health.

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Go to drink AG1.com for slash Duncan. That's drink AG1.com for slash Duncan. Check it out. Yeah, that changed the whole course of my life. That's why you need good friends, man. Like, you get a good friend. There's a kind of benevolent derailment that will happen. Like, if you have a good friend, they will derail your life, but in the best way possible. I was headed towards psychology. I was going to be a clinical psychologist, I

guess. And then like I met this incredible musician, Emel, who was this artist, and I saw, oh my God, this is, you can do this. This is possible. And then that was it. You know, if it derailed, whatever I was going to do, we're so lucky. If we have crazy it derailed whatever I was gonna do. We're so lucky if we have crazy friends like that. What was your friend's name again? Belong. Belong is our, yeah.

You talk to him still? Yeah, yeah, we messaged on social media, you know, every now and then I think he's a chef at a restaurant in Singapore. Wow. Wow. True man of the world. We're so lucky. Boom. Did that to you.

Brue thing to do by the way, but wow. Yeah. Send me down on the path. And you know, that sounds all man tough like first gig, but then years down the line, you know, I, my dues came and, you know, I've paid them. You paid your dues. For sure. Oh, yeah, it came, it came back on me for sure. Well I mean yeah you, I just there's no way, you know what I'm listening to your music

and I'm trying to understand it with my sort of, I'm a little musically illiterate, but I do hear Ellie, it's Smith in your music. I hear these patterns that are like, it's just such an interesting convergence of styles that I don't think I've ever heard before. Like, you know, when you hear it the first time, you'll think, oh, you know, this is beautiful country music, but then when it's so detailed and it's so complex within that. So when you are working on a song, like how does like, the song you write on paper,

make its way into the song we're listening to, is that your band that's coming up with the chord progressions and the music behind it, or are you coming up with all of that? And then telling them what you're hearing. Yeah, I'm coming up with all of the... So while I'm writing, I'm playing it on the guitar as well. So I'm writing the music and the words at the same time as I'm going.

Okay. And then... So I'll bring a completed song to the band. And then from that, they can draw out, a melody or a lead or something from that music. Because I'm not a lead player, so I can bring the core changes and maybe the dynamics, the ups and downs of it.

And then they can help emphasize that. And my guys do a fantastic job of doing that and my producer Alan, I work very well together and you know, I was able and even sometimes too, like he'll help on an instrumental part to make it even better. Like there's a song, temporary town where, you know, I brought in the song to them and in the instrumental was much more kind of what the verses and the chorus were and then Al was able to take that and he's like, well, let's cut this off and, you know, let's add this, do these hits at the end and it kind of made it, you know, so much better. So, so that

happens sometimes as well because, you know, I'm not musically educated. I can't read music. So sometimes, you know, my guys are and they can help that, that kind of stuff happen. Right. Yeah. The, the, that to me, you know, I dabble in music just for, to prevent seeing all the mencha, because I did so many psychedelics my whole life. It's like, I read somewhere, if you work on music, maybe your brain won't stop working in your 50s So like I'm always like trying to work on it, but I notice These like weird leaps forward musically like like working on the piano and Struggling and struggling with you know, whatever the thing is I'm working on and then the next day suddenly like I can do it or

You know separating your left hand from your right hand and then suddenly like I can do it or you know separating your left hand from your right hand and then suddenly you can just do it. Did you notice that? You know like it's like your brain changes or something. Yeah, that happens every step of the way. Like you know with the chords and then playing and singing at the same time practicing like any kind of lick or something that I'm trying to learn, it works the same way. And it was just like that in school, if you remember as a kid, there'd be some concept

in math that you're like, I don't understand this at all. And then just one day you'd wake up and be like, oh, it kind of clicked, finally or something. That's the way it 100% works that way. Travis picking, like when I finger pick the guitar, that took tons of time for my thumb to keep the bass while the other fingers would, you know, finger pick the melody and stuff. And then all of a sudden one day just,

and just click. And I don't know how you do that. That's like, that's Superman level stuff. Your finger picking is insane, man. It's like, I don't understand that at all. And I never will. And by the way, that's not, I don't expect you. I just like doing it.

I get mad at the guitar. I can't do it, man. The B chord bar where you gotta put your finger over it. I've given up. I've given up. I tried, I've cut my finger. I've like, you know, it just doesn't work. And anyway, I'm not, I don't mean to be complaining.

I wanna ask you, and maybe it was a different, did you record in Asheville? This is, did you record at Ecom? My podcast studio used to be there. When I was a kid, I heard you say that your mom was saying that you could like pack books there at a place in Asheville Yeah, that's where we made the album. We made the album in Echo mountain. You ever heard of that spot?

No, I literally my podcast studio was in on the third floor of that building when I came to Asheville I needed a place to do my podcast. Oh shit And so they were like, yeah, we have this office space where you could do it And so I just set up there like, yeah, I don't know what you're talking about. The like the secondary studio across the parking lot there that has like a few floors in their main office and all. I think I know where you're talking about. It's the one that doesn't have the video game machine in it.

It's like one of the, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like they're, it's like their studio B is on the basement the basement of that building yeah oh that's crazy yeah crazy that's where we made this one we made this this whole one over in the main the main building wow that's such a weird synchronicity man I what a great studio though like holy shit I loved it I loved it I never had the opportunity to record and to place that nice before. And I mean, I was just, it was the best time I'd ever had creating anything. And we were there in January too, which honestly, I think is the coolest time of year there, because the tourism season's real slow at that point. So it's just like we had

Because the the tourism seasons real real slow at that point. So it's just like we had The whole downtown to ourselves. Yeah, it was incredible time. Yeah, y'all cold though, huh? Cold did you get what which what did Asheville give you? Did you get that sludge rain? Or did you get like super cold? Yeah, we got snow, but you know, there's nothing compared I'm you know from here in West Virginia, so we get a lot more than they do. And my guys are from up around like, like Beaver, Pennsylvania, so they're, we're Asheville South, that's, you know, I mean, it's not-

Actually, it's like, it was. Yeah, the tropics, Asheville. Yeah, it's like, oh, it's 40 degrees. This is nothing today, you know what I mean? How long did it take you, how long were you in town for? Recording that. Two weeks. Yeah, two weeks. That's cool.

So you made it to the built-more house. Did you go to the built-more house? I didn't, no, I didn't this time, but I got to do that sometime. I'm going to take my kid out. Oh, you don't follow, oh, well, maybe they're kids. But the kids are. Yeah, it's basically cool. How old are your kids again?

Three and one. And, you know, I. Yeah, it's gonna be cool. How old are your kids again? Three and one. And I know my son would love it right now and my daughter and I are so would enjoy that too. But yeah, we didn't get to really see any sites. We were working like every day. It's a wild placement. I mean, like, Asheville's fascinating. There's a lot of interesting stuff going out

on like in the outskirts. There's a lot of interesting stuff going out on, like in the outskirts, like I, you know, we just gotten, we left LA during the pandemic, and we were freaking traumatized, man, I've never seen anything like that happen. I've heard about it happening. Like I have one of, a girl I knew a while ago, her mom was there during the Iranian revolution.

And it was creepy what she said to me. Her mom always told her, you have to understand how quickly things can change, like how quickly. It doesn't happen. There's not time to get out of there sometimes. And I'm not saying it was like, I'm sorry comparing like pandemic, I later, you were on, but it was maybe better in Iran.

You know what I mean? Like, seeing this beautiful city just collapse, boarded up, shanty towns appearing everywhere, everyone losing their minds. So we are freaked, man. We went up to Asheville, and we're like, we're gonna get a compound. You know, we're gonna grow our own food.

We're never gonna put ourselves in that situation ever again. I don't know how to grow food. I know my wife does that. I don't know how to hunt. I don't know what you're thinking dude. Like I can barely make food much less grow it. So anyway, I wanted to take my kid into the, into the, in the nature. So I took him up to take my kid into the bluer in a nature.

So I took him up to Pizganational Forest, 5 a.m. because there's a waterfall I heard about. No joke, completely dark headlights on driving down this long gravel road. There's a druid, a guy with robes, monk robes, a massive staff, anywhere that's going to be interesting, but in the dark and a national forest, it's like, what is this? I'm picturing, what was the M Night Channel on movie where it's like the town that was isolated

from the world? Exactly. What was that movie? I know. I know exactly what you're talking about. Just that. Yeah. I know. You know how it is.

I don't know. Like with your sons, you know, you can't show fear. Right. Even though like, they're okay, great. It's like a forest wizard. I know how far I've driven out here. He's in sandals walking with it. So I also, this waterfall is trying to get to.

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He's not walking through this anymore and then he just looked at me, slaps me in the face and laughs. It's the best. So let me ask you, have you discovered any tricks to mitigate the touring goat to find balance in what is a pretty non-ordinary life? How do you explain it to your kids? Or do you just always feel sort of bad about being away from that? Yeah, I mean, there's no trick for the guilt at all. The only thing is, as things get better, the schedule gets better.

So even this year, a lot of this year, besides August and September, were crazy. So I was only home a handful of days out of those two months total but For most of this year it's been like working a week or two and then taking a week or two off And that's been drastically better than than the last couple of years and then hopefully You know we get to that point where I can get my guys on salary and only have to play maybe 30 to 50 times a year So that's that's kind of what I'm shooting for. And then in the long run, that'll be way better than not sacrificing in these years I'm in now and just

having to grind for the rest of my life if I'm going to continue to do this. So there's not really any any any Any secrets I do have one rule. It's a 24 hour rule So no matter where I'm at if I if it means you know if I could take a flight or or whatever it may be To and I can have 24 hours at home. It's worth it. That's great. So even if I'm in Seattle and you know There's there's two days between shows or something if it means I can have 24 hours at the house with the family then there I am flying across the country to get it so that's great that adds up throughout the year though you know we're you know especially last year I probably got

14 days total that I will most folks wouldn't have just because they wouldn't be willing to do the travel. So that's a rule that I have and it seems to do okay. And that's a communication to, man, that's like telling, that's showing them through action. How much you love them. That's not bullshit. That's like, that's real and it's a demonstrating

that you're prioritizing them. I mean, I don't know if this is comforting, but sometimes I think I try to remember experiences with my dad before like the age of five and I can't remember anything. You know what I mean? Like when I'm trying to make myself feel better, I'm like, they, you just learn to your mom. Most kids are just into their mom. Like the dad is there, he's fun, he's cool. But I think maybe that's kind of the problem.

I think maybe that's a problem in the world, is that, you know, the balance of the family, it's a little wobbly, these days. I mean, this is another thing that I loved about your album is just, you know, these days, people get, people look down on the family kind of. You know what I mean? I'm not trying to do some weird like Fox News talking point. I just mean like, and you know, I did too, when I was like a, like a young

20 year old asset had liberal arts student, you know, I would like turn my nose up. Oh, really, the family, family values. Oh, really, no, I've found a new way forward. It's reading existentialism, taking psychedelics, and fainting superiority over the core, the nucleus of society. Like, whatever those things are over there that are keeping everything going, allowing me the ability to enjoy like a freewheeling, weird life. So that's something I felt was really beautiful life. So that's something I felt was really beautiful about what you put out there is like I feel like it's an affirmation of a very, the most important structure in society and in a contextually in a time where that's being diminished in different ways. And can you talk about that a little bit? Did you feel any hesitation about doing it? Did you or you just knew was the right thing? I, yeah, I know exactly what you mean by that.

And as far as I've always done exactly what I wanted to do, you know, creatively. And it's, it's, it's maybe, maybe, maybe made me not the most commercial. Not as commercially successful as maybe I could be. But then on the other hand, though, it's given me a lot of respect in the industry, being this guy from West Virginia that's never moved to one of the major cities to make it happen and who you know, I write all my songs and if you know my first album that that's gonna be on a on a one of the bigger labels, you know that exists in country music is gonna be all about family

you know It's just what what my heart kind of guided me to do, but I understood the whole time that This is not exactly the formula to success You know, and I know a lot of a lot of folks try to hide The fact that maybe they have a family or you know, they say that I want to keep a private or something like that But then but even in their art They're also covered in that I guess and so I always thought it was kind of strange. I never

want to be that guy that's like grown up trying to sing songs about like the lifestyle of a single 21-year-old in college. But you know, I don't know what exactly I'm trying to say here. All I did with this album was just do what I felt like I needed to do. Because I was coming out of a really, a really dark place in my life in 2021, just to put like some background to what was happening. You know, I was independent coming out of the pandemic and the pandemic cut the legs out from me As far as like my work life went I just released my first album in 2019

Right and it took about a year to get booking and management So 2020 was shaping up to be the really the first year that I was gonna actually tour properly Shows that I hadn't booked myself and like have an opportunity to grow and try to try to make this thing happen and then you know pandemic happen I come home from Europe March 2nd from a six-week European tour I've done and then March 13th everything for the rest of the year just got you know it gets pretty much wiped out so in spring of 21 I start kind of getting back at it as soon as Venus would open up and start having shows and I started taking my band out with me in July of 21.

And I had this new album that we recorded over the pandemic, which, you know, how the mighty fall, the whole theme of that album was about mortality. Because I don't know if, and you kind of mentioned this when you're talking about, like, when your, when your child was born, feeling the connection to your ancestors for the first time. And I felt that too when my son was born, I was like, oh my gosh, like, you know, this, things are moving along here. And, and your 20s, and I was 20s. I was 27 when Gabriel was born So you know prior to that point you just You know that you're gonna die someday, but yeah, it just it seems so far away

Yeah, you know what I mean? Like you don't really think about it like you're like, oh, it's just so far away So far away, but when you see your child just coming into the world there in that moment you're like okay this wheel is turning i get like i see what's happening here and this is this is moving way faster than that you think it is charles so that's whole second album was about like the thing of it was mortality and and things like that so back to summer twenty one

going out with my band and we're opening for people making $250 a night. And I have a seven piece band with me and a photographer and videographer. Oh my God. Yeah. Holy shit. How do you split that up? Well, that's right. What happened was is I gave them everything. then I and then I was eaten All the it all the all the the money I was losing as well from money I'd saved up you know throughout the year prior trying to bridge that moment the time to when that album came out in the fall hoping it would work out and That put me under a ton of stress. I mean I was I was losing sleep like

Probably 50% of nights. I was waking up at one or two, just from the stress that year and just not going back to sleep. And so I almost went under in September and we were able to, the pre-sales for the, the album were the next week. And I explained to my guys, you know, what was going on, and they were cool about it, and we're able to, they're like, we'll wait, you know, and then the pre-sales happened, and I was able to keep paying them, and we ended up making it through. And the album came out in November, and it did great as far as independent albums go. Yeah.

So there I am, like, am I okay? Like we made it, but I hadn't written a word in almost half a year, just because of all the stress from it. And then about a week after the second album came out, labels kind of came into the picture. And I started having my first meetings with these music labels and they're like,

so what do you got? We want to hear what you're working on and I'm like, I don't know, I got two albums. Oh my god. Listen to it, decide whether or not you like me or not. You know what I mean? It just put me in this weird headspace that I'd never been in before. Where I like, I just come out of this, like, this crucible. And then on the other end, I got these folks that are kind of wanting to cherry pick my work and just not, I don't know. I took it as doubt. And so there, and then I have these guys that, that it all quit their jobs and like they, they're going all in on me to, let's let's do this we're we're we believe in you so like so I have these guys that I'm trying to

provide a living for and then labels that want to see want to see what I'm working on before they decide whether or not that they they want to work with me and it just kind of put all this new pressure on me that I never had because before I'd always just written freely and And I didn't have any the only one that was relying upon me was it was me because my wife worked full time So it's not like not even you know our family wasn't completely dependent upon me So that like put me in this funk that went on until February of last year of 2022 and I was talking with my my daughter was due February 18th of 2022 and my in-laws were

up you know waiting for the baby to be born and I had three months off. I was going to help out at home, you know, while she was being born and stuff, and we'd been on the road nonstop, basically. So I was coming back down, and this is my office down here, and I'd come down here every morning before everybody was up and tried to work. And I was just coming up with garbage. And I think it was because of all the pressure I had on me, and I just didn't know really how to deal with that and one night My father-in-law and I were up after my mother-in-law and my wife had gone to bed and we were up having drinks and he was like, you know was bothering you I can tell you know something's wrong with

with you not acting normal and You know I told him everything that was going on with work and act in normal and you know I told him everything that was going on with work and he kind of told me exactly what I needed here to kind of put myself back into that free space that I existed in for the past decade of just you know I do this because I love it and just so happens I get to do it for money and for work. The whole point the reason why I write songs is because I love it and it's therapeutic for me. And he just kind of reminded me that, you know, this is what I was put on the surf to do, is write songs.

It's what I've always done. It's what got me here. And that's the only thing that I have control over anyway. So don't worry about any of the other stuff, just write songs. Just follow your heart, write your songs, and if the other stuff works out great, and if it doesn't, it ain't going to be any worse than where you're at now, and you remind them, it's like, where you're at right now, it's pretty good. Everything's working out fine, just keep going. So, you know, it's weird

sometimes, you just need to hear from somebody else, even though the solution to some situation in life really is a rocket science. That was the case there. So I went down the next morning and I wrote two weeks gone, which ended up being on the album. And then from there, I was like, okay, like, I'm going to write about my family this year

because I just feel like that's what I need to do to get myself back on track and centered. So that's kind of how that all came to be. And I didn't think about, you know, I know it's not the most popular thing for somebody to make an album about family or whatever, but that I didn't really care. That's just kind of where when I got back into that free space, creatively where I was just following my heart and going wherever, that's just where it led me. Well, look, I think it's important to note for folks who have yet to listen to them,

I'm going to help you all listen to this, that this is not some kind of cheesy, that this is not some kind of like cheesy, like, folky thing about how this is like, you captured the primal reality of being in a family. That's what I loved about it. There is an edginess to your album that really captures, I think, an aspect of being a parent that just doesn't get brought up that much. It's a mystical experience.

It's a confrontation with mortality. It's a confrontation with your own, like, God, what's your song? What would you do? The one about the foot. That, it's like, you know, those moments, when you realize as a parent, it's like, hey, you can't be a coward here.

Like these babies depend on you. You have to be willing to die for them and for your family. And, you know, that I think that's a self interrogation. Like, you know, I ask myself that sometimes, if I'm slipping a little bit, it's like, hey, no, you can't slip anymore. This isn't about you anymore. And, you know, so you're capturing like that angle

of being a parent and family life. So it's like, it really, the album has this edge to it that I just love. It's such a, also these days, and maybe I'm just saying this because I am a parent and I want to be cool, which is a sad, sad desire to want to be cool. What's wrong with you? You're 49, you're not cool. But, you know, I did honestly, man, anybody thinks they're cool and shit. You never see that person that person like you can tell that they think they're cool There's nothing there's nothing lame or been seeing somebody walking the room thinking they're better

Here comes the cool judgmental piece of shit But I do think that there these days There is something more punk rock about having a family than there's been in a long time. You know, I think you hit a moment in time where an album like that is edgy, is punk rock, is subversive, which is weird. Yeah. Having the same way.

That's against the green. That's against the green now. Yeah. I'm right there with you, man. And I think you'll see, you know, I announced the album, I think it was August 4th when it was announced and made it very clear, you know, what it was going to be about and what it is. And I think you'll see a lot more of that going forward. And I think you already seen, like, especially in country music, you know, I think there's going to be a lot of that and good

because it and there wasn't much of it before that's for sure and So that's a good thing man if it makes if it makes some kids that are coming up that you know listen to music realize hey, it's it's not it's not uncool to It's not uncool to find somebody that you love and settle down with them and have a family. You can do that and also have a career. That just makes it a better society because imagine a whole society for folks that are like 60 years old that never settled down with the one that was right for them and they never had a family

and they're miserable about it later on in life. Imagine a whole town full of that. And that's kind of where popular culture was kind of pushing that that's where things are headed in the future. That's cool. I kind of disagreed. I think that would just lead to a bunch of folks regretting a lot of things in their past. Or just like banging their sex robot in some like weird techno apartment. You know what I mean? Like, that is incredible. Oh my God. You know, it's so weird.

I'm only being slightly hyperbogged. I really think that's the future where I had it's horse is, you know, like at some point people are going to realize shit, I'm lonely, you know, like, you know, a lot of, you know, I'm sorry, this is a rather dark to say, when you get really older, there's die-offs, you know what I mean? And so like your friends, you just, you, like, my teachers teacher, Chugum Trump, I remember she told him, you know, when you get to a certain age, your friends start dropping

like flies. So, like, that's happening. But then there's another version of that, I guess, in middle age, where your friends start doing, like, marry off. They're not dying, but they're like, now they got a family. There's no more time for whatever the thing was or going to the shows or the festivals.

Like, you're in the forge of life now. I want to go out with my friends. I'd love to go blast rails of ketamine at burning man and like, you know, freak out, but I can't. Like, that's not happening. I can't. There's, that's just not happening. It's done. Yeah. And, but some people, you know, they, they hold on and they're able to continue that and continue that. I'm not judging that. They, maybe they made the right choice. I don't know, but at some point. Yeah, and there's nothing wrong with the person that that's truly what they want. I guess

I'm just saying that like there might have been and maybe and hopefully things will correct itself in society. It tends to be that way. Yeah. Usually the way things go. But like for the thing of a teenager to just be like to just have the idea in their head that it's not cool For that to maybe be their future when they're in their later 20s or 30s is like whoa Oh, don't don't write that off until unless you really get out there and live a little bit Yeah, and just and know yourself and decide and that's not what you want and that's fine But yeah, when you got like a young person just thinks oh, it's not cool. Yeah to

when you got like a young person just thinks, oh, it's not cool to like marry the love of your life and like have kids, you might realize you might be better if you get that in your life. Because then it gives you something, it gives you a, it can make you better. And I think it made me better with time management, determination, succeed that I may not have had when know when I was when I was single

no way no way everybody's different but yeah I totally get your point where you know the the theme of the album is a little bit punk in today's society or you know I'm basically saying hey I want all these things and you know I got no shame in it and you know maybe maybe I maybe I need the cool guy in the room but I don't really give a shite. No, that's what's so, to me, that's exactly what I think needs to be out there right now. And you're right, it's a tragedy.

And I look back at my face of looking down. When you're younger, at least when I was younger, you really think you know everything. Like you think you've gotten it figured out, you, it's just part of me young, is you're like, I've got this, like I know I've taken the classes, read the books, I know what's going on here, you're,

you really, at least I was dumb enough to believe that. And then also I think within that is like, you think you have more control over things than you have. Like, you know what, you think you're not, like, because when I'm at my wife, I knew, the cheesy thing you hear people say, I knew you're gonna get married. And I'd heard my cheesy ass friends say that

and was like, shut the fuck up, you don't know that. And I just knew, like it was like I shifted out of time or something, you know, I was like, oh, what, like I, it's like I'm gonna tsunami. Like there's no, this is bigger than me. And so I was the same boat man. I remember, yeah, and I met my wife, I met my wife and I had to ask her out like, she, we first met after I'd just finished playing music.

And I think that that gave her an aversion to me. Yep. But the fact that I'm trying to go out with her, like after this show and stuff. So she really made me like work for it. Like, do you even go on a first date? But anyways, I remember like before she'd even agreed to go on a first date with me, looking at a picture of her and just be like, man, I'm married that woman.

So I know exactly what you mean by the feeling. It's like, I don't know how to explain it, but there's this thing there. It's like a biological thing, yeah. Yeah, it's a new look at your, like my wife will be like, you know, when our DNA met, it's like, we're gonna make some awesome babies.

Like it's just new. It's like, okay, whatever your personality, you know, that bullshit, you're making babies some awesome babies like it's just new. It's like okay, whatever your personality and all that bullshit You're making babies now. That's what's happening and what is cooler than that though? I mean it's like yes, hedonism is fantastic big fan was a big fan love since gratification big fan, but That pales in comparison to like sending continuing that pales in comparison to like sending continuing the the the D you're sending DNA into infinity. You you know what I mean? Like you don't you're growing branches of your family tree like all those people who sacrifice their lives so that you could be breath and air. You know what I mean? It wasn't for nothing. Like it's you're continuing it,

it's moving forward. You become like a... You're collaborating or something with the dev... sounds cheesy. It sounds like the name for the worst, however. You're collaborating with the divine. You're like part of God's like exhalation into the world or something. And what's cooler than that? exhalation into the world or something and what's cooler than that? Yeah, and it's like an extension of the timeline that the effect of a life can have on the earth in a positive, you know, in a positive way, is, you know, most folks, when you're a parent, you're setting out to make good human beings. Yeah. And, you know, oftentimes, I believe that is the case. You know, most folks grow up being pretty good folks and You know good leads to more good and and yeah, I think that's a that's the way

That's the way that this that this world can improve. It's not about people deciding not to have any more children Then just being a a fall off in population like a cliff. Yeah, you know, hopefully it's just it's good people like raising More good people and like raising more good people, and that going down generations, you know, down the line, you know, because I mean, you just look at you look at like the long, you know, look at like the grand scheme of human history here, and you look at like how bad things were in the ancient world, in the dark ages, in the middle ages, and even the world were one, world were two, even though things aren't perfect now, things do get better.

And I think the way that's happened is by good people having, raising good humans, and those good humans get a little bit better, and they raise a little bit better ones, and people get better over time. Is it, I mean, how else can you explain why aren't we just all hacking each other to bits all the time? Right.

Now, like we were for thousands of years, it's because it's a gradual improvement of humanity I believe. Yeah, it was the purge. Not that far back. It was the purge. People were torturing people like as a sport You would just like capture a heretic throw them in a cage and just like see what happens We would scorpions on his nipples. No thought of it. This is fucked

You know that's got somebody to change to see if they float or sink Yeah, if they if they sink all at least they're not a witch and if they float all their And if they, if they sink all at least they're not a witch and if they float all their a witch, you're like, you screwed down if you do, down if you don't, you know what I mean? And that was, that was two centuries ago. You know, it's like four people ago. It's not really, yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy to think about that. And you know, this guy back here, Chogum Trump, a Rinche, famous Tibetan Buddhist teacher.

And one of his books, he said, if you really want to help society, forget about whatever your ism is, whatever it is, socialism, communism, capitalism, anarchism, whatever the thing your thing is, forget about the isms and find harmony in your family. This is how you will improve the world, is by find harmony in your family. This is how you will improve the world, is by bringing harmony to your family.

And it's just what you're saying. It's like if we can do that. And let me tell you, sometimes that's not easy, bringing harmony to your family. Sometimes it's all impossible to, in the chaos, to find peace, but you learn, that's how I, you know, it's made me a better person, because it's training, it's like training

and like how to bring calm, you know, what it is, you have toddlers. It's madness. Like you're like constantly trying to self-correct, you know, yourself, you're like, like, hey, don't get so frustrated here, like calm down, like, you know, and it's like daily, you know, yourself. You're like, hey, don't get so frustrated here. Like, calm down. Like, you know, it's like daily, you know,

it's daily time, trying to like self-improve, you know, dealing with just the normal ends and how it's alive and stuff. You can't, like with a toddler, I take him to some, I take him to a martial arts class and the teachers that the funniest thing he's like, you know, sometimes people yell at other people to be quiet. Like you're yelling at your kid,

you gotta be quiet! You're being too loud and you're screaming. Like, you know, so you have to learn how to tune it down, man. You can't yell at someone to be quiet. That's telling them if you want something yell. So it's, taming that part of yourself. I am so happy to have met you.

And I, like, you are, I already thought you're gonna be the coolest person ever. You're a hundred times cooler. Not didn't sell you based on the cool comment. I mean, real cool. Not like bullshit. Oh, of course it is, dude. Yeah, I did, you know, I know, like, I'm always self-conscious about how I do on these

things, you know. You are a wonderful person, a wonderful musician. You have given a real gift to all of us with your music. And I know that's a cheesy thing to say. I mean, I do not find music anymore that I like. I always revert to the grateful dead. It's pathetic. So to have your music now on my playlist that I can connect to you and I'm on the road, miss my family. And it's just wonderful. I just really am grateful to you. And thank you so much for coming on the show. Yeah, I appreciate you having me on Duncan,' Man. It was a cool surprise, like just getting that message from you saying that you dug the music, because I've been listening

to you for years. So we were sitting in the, we were doing the Apple sessions down in Nashville and I got like an alert on my phone from my email to like email me that somebody message me and I saw that and I was like, I was showing the guys like, this is the coolest thing ever. Like check this shit out. You know, so thanks for having me on. So happy.

I appreciate for now. Man, can you tell people, or do you have shows coming up right now? You're saying you, what's going on? Yeah, yeah, I got I'm torn pretty pretty solid through to the end of the year Charles W. Godwin.com and you know most of them are sold out but I think there are some here and there that there are some tickets available to and if any of them ever work out that that you want to go

to you know just let me know. Are you coming to Austin anytime? I'm playing and New Bronfels in October two nights in a road Greenhall which is like I think it's like 20 minutes down the road but it's like it's like a yeah it's like a classic it's one of like the standard country venues it's a big milestone type of venue and I got two nights there here is like October 21st and 22nd I think. Do you know what days those are? I think it's like October 21st and 22nd. I think you know what days those are I Think it's like a Friday and a Saturday. I'm doing that big highway 30 fest up in Dallas Before all that I think might be the first day of that festival up there I'm not on the road hang on man. Let me just look sorry guys while I like selfishly look at my schedule

So I can go to a show. Yeah, Let me just look at this real quick. Sorry, everybody. You know, be in town. I'm in town. Thank you, God. I'm there, man. I would love to come. And, uh, Saturday, the 21st and Sunday, the 22nd, uh, Green Hall.

If you want to come, just, you know, just let me know. I'll let you know. And folks, please, all the links you need to find them are going to be at dugatrustles.com. If you can't remember this, you know, just let me know. I'll let you know and folks please all the links You need to find them are gonna be a dugout trustless.com if you can't remember this. I'm telling you dive in You are gonna be so happy that if you haven't already discovered them that it's the best and thank you so much for your time I really appreciate it. Thanks for having me on Duncan A Canada's Wonderland Gold Pass is your ticket to unlimited visits the rest of this year and all through 2024.

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