Duncan Trussell Family Hour - 651: Brian Redban

Episode Date: November 23, 2024

Brian Redban, co-host of Kill Tony and original producer of the Joe Rogan Experience, joins the DTFH! If you're in Austin, TX check out Brian's comedy club, Sunset Strip, just next door to the Comedy Mothership. Click here for a calendar of upcoming shows! Heads up! We're doing two episodes this week then going dark for the week of Thanksgiving. See you the first week of December! Bilt - Earn points by paying rent Right Now when you go to JoinBilt.com/DUNCAN. This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/duncan and get on your way to being your best self.

I wonder how many people are aware that you did the Rogan song, that you were sort of a tremendous part of the origination of what has become the most popular podcast on planet earth that has influenced presidential elections, that has had like guests on it that like never in a million years if we could jump back to the beginning days would anyone have said you know you're gonna interview the president one day it was a different podcast back then though it was that that was back in the days when it was more of a comedy podcast you know Rogan really has turned it into like a legit where it has comedy in it sure but it's it's, you know. It's funny, but it's like back then.

I mean, what was the first podcast? Like did you, you were the first person to podcast with Rogan, right? Yeah, so it started off like, look, you know, Rogan hired me, whatever. We made the Carlos Macia video, or I made the Carlos Macia video. Welcome friends, happy Thanksgiving.

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We've got a great episode for you today. I'm sure most of you know who Red Man is. He is the co-host of Kill Tony. He's also the progenitor of JRE, which I don't know how many of you know about that. Redban is a fascinating guy. Maybe you remember when he was the co-host on the JRE. But you might not have gotten a clear understanding of who Red Band is just from watching

some of those episodes. He's super cool and smart and savvy. And you know, when you hear the story of like And you know, when you hear the story of like the early days of what is now the biggest podcast on the planet, I bet if you're not aware of how it went down, it's not what you would expect. That's what we're gonna talk about today, along with some other cool stuff, AI tech stuff.

So everyone, welcome to the DTFH. Brian Redban. 3D written by Lord Alvazar Kent and they tried to suppress that information but sources are telling me that they can't anymore. It's a bit now that Trump has become president it's all gonna be revealed. How you doing man? Good how are you buddy? I'm good I'm good I'm so happy you did this man. It, how are you, buddy? I'm good. I'm good, I'm so happy you did this, man. It's been a while. I always felt guilty by asking you to do it

because of the proximity. It seems like it's a drive from up there. I love going out right around where you live. I'm not naming it. Is that already too much? Am I doxing you? No, no, no, I live up in Pflugerville. Yeah, it's cool out there, man. Pflugerville. Yeah. It's cool out there, man.

Pflugerville. What is a Pflugr? It's a German thing. I don't know. It's funny. I moved to the one German town in Austin. You're drawn back home, baby. It's a call. You know, man, one of the many things I love about you is you, like, I like to think of myself as like an early adopter,

you know, I'm into tech and stuff, but you are always like at the bleeding edge of cool shit that's emerging into the world. Not just like, you know, pragmatic stuff, but like games, fun shit. So what are you into right now? Like what should we be aware of right now? I feel like I'm into the same stuff you're into right now.

A lot of AI stuff. Like I am just blown away by like Sumo or Suno, you know, that music thing is, I mean, that alone is one of my favorite new inventions I guess of the last year or so. It's incredible. It's incredible. Just being, and I think it was you that even told me that they have a new beta test where you could just hum

Something and it will make the song based on like a hum or or yeah I took an old song that I wrote on garage band a long time ago Uploaded it and I was like remix this and make it a rap song and it took the same idea of this song and Something I could never have done. Yeah. Yeah, it's the same idea of this song and something I could never have done. You know? It's beautiful. Yeah, it's the best. Especially, like, if you do what we do, if you like make podcasts and make stuff

and you have a limited amount of time, and you're not, you know, I mean, I don't consider myself a musician. No. And so, the amount of time in the past, if I wanted to make a dumb song, that's a day. Like if I'm like, okay, I want to do a song for this episode, it's like, all right, well, you're going to be, it's an extra day of work.

And I liked it. It was fun. It's a fun sort of difficult process. But if you just need to get something out there, or even if you want to test your idea, because you might have an idea for a song and then you work all day on it and at the end of the day you're like, this is so not funny and dog shit. I'm still going to put it up, but it was a waste of time. You know, this, you could at least get a sense of what it might be.

And that is incredible. It's a collaborative tool. It's fucking great. Yeah, a great example back in the day JRE needed a opening song and so I sat there for like a week like and I found out how to make like a drum Noise on my keyboard. It was like don't don't don't and then and then I took like some loops from Apple garage band. Yeah, I added guitar to it to make it sound more guitar II Yeah, and then that's the JRE song. Is that the current theme song? No fucking way. And that's me going, wha-ha-ha! Are you fucking kidding me?

But yeah, I did that, and that song took me, and then I remember Diaz, Nick Diaz or whatever said, "'Train My Day, Joe Rugby'." And Joe sent me that, he was like, add this to the song.

I'm like, how am I gonna add words to the song? Yeah. And so that aspect of making shit on your own, I think it's so useful because, you know, most apps, most creativity apps, even if it's a music app or Photoshop or Final Cut or whatever it is, they've kind of followed the same basic tools, the steps. And so it's every time you have to do something like that, it's not just like you learned how to do that on GarageBand, you learned how to do it on Ableton,

you learned how to do layers in Photoshop. And so everything you learn in one area goes to all the areas, which is the danger. I hate, it's like a meme at this point, but the danger of AI. The downside is you're not learning that in the same way. And that sucks, because you don't realize that you're not just learning how to make music.

You're learning how to edit video. You're learning how to write. You're learning how to everything. And so that's a little worrisome. But it does open some new things, because now you have to talk to AI a certain way. Like, no, I want you to, you because now you have to talk to AI a certain way like no I want you to you know you have to use different words to try to get what you want

You know so I guess it kind of adds a new way to do it. Well. You know it demonstrates how like There's there. I've noticed. There's like two you could say there's two like there's probably a lot I hate whenever people do binaries, but for the sake of this, two creative styles, right? There's like what someone might call the professional creative style. Now that creative style is usually based on time constraints, which is instead of trying to like sort of fumble

in the darkness towards your idea, you come up with like, okay, this is what I'm trying to do. Here's a map to get there. It's very technical, very, but you really need a sort of precise mind to envision this is where I'm headed. And that is what it's teaching you. It teaches you how to articulate what you want

in a very specific way, which I've never been good at in life or creativity. And so that's kind of cool, learning how to hone that. But it's also kind of like a hack too, when it's not doing what you want. Like, all right, now I want the bathing suit to be clear. Yeah. Trying to get it to be a naked girl or something,

when you're trying to make a model of a girl in AI or something. Oh my God. Like the hats you have to do. So in Mid Journey, I legitimately didn't want to create a naked girl. What was I trying to do? I was trying to do an adult diaper commercial for an adult diaper that would analyze your pee and based on your piss would give you TikTok content.

So like the algorithm could detect like what shit you wanna watch on TikTok through your piss. Dumb idea. But, and so I needed underwear models or diaper models. And so in mid journey, I was saying like, cause I wanted to put online. So I would say like make a very tasteful adult diaper model. And for whatever reason it just started giving me like fucking sexy. That's awesome. So

it's adult. I have been looking for this hack. I've been using invisible underwear. Something about somehow I think I'm sure they fixed it by now, but it seems like by the user saying, tasteful, it subverts the alert. Yeah, you're telling it you want it tasteful, so now it's like, oh, okay, cool, I don't have to worry about the not showing tits, and so then it'll show you tits. And it's really funny because in Discord, at least, it deleted it. It went, like, it vanished from my Discord. Because I actually had to say to it after that, you know, I was like, hey, you know, I've been saying tasteful and you're giving me tits. And it's still, like, it's weird, the accidental tits that show up. It can fuck you up on YouTube too, especially if you're doing, like,

runway ML or something, because it can be a flash of a boob that you don't even notice Right and then you accidentally or you put a vagina up there something that's in a frame And so you have to be careful, but yeah well so what When you're working on anything mm-hmm what AI? What services do you go to? I used to use Mid Journey a lot. I think something happened with Mid Journey

maybe about six months ago where the quality of Mid Journey has just started shitting the bed. No way. I do not enjoy Mid Journey anymore. And it's crazy, you could, like even Twitter X's Grok, which I think is pretty great now.

I tried to just do a simple thing the other day and I was comparing the two. It was just night and day difference. Like Grok was just A plus and Midgar was giving me bullshit. And the cool thing about Grok, which I thought was pretty hilarious this election, is that if you tried anything with Trump Anything Trump in diapers Trump doing this it made him look so good Perfect and always and also respectful like so if he wouldn't have diapers on you'd be like looking at diapers like I don't Want to wear these diapers, but then if you do like Kamala or anybody else they got him all wrong

If you do Joe Rogan, it doesn't even do Joe Rogan is like that How is it but you Trump if you try it out? It is it's weird. Is that still in there that yeah bias? Yes. Well, I mean, yeah, this is the What's really cool about all of this is that like each AI Has a personality and the personality is determined by the corporation and that personality is going to be informed by the corporation's political leanings. And generally those political leanings are less ethical than they are profit based, right? Like you know, if for example, some candidate is proposing legislation that could like hurt the corporate interests, then of course the spin is gonna be for the candidate

that's not a threat to the corporation. So yeah, being able to like recognize the personality of your AI is so important so you don't get tricked or like, you know, that whole, this whole new realm of propaganda is crazy and how subversive it is. Like, you know, think of the old propaganda poster. You know what I mean, an old,

can you pull up like World War II propaganda? Like, you knew you were looking at propaganda. If you're walking down the street and you see one of these fucking things, you're like, that's government propaganda I'm looking at. And so there was an honesty to it. Yeah, there you go. The old girl with the arm.

Click on that very top one. Warning, our homes are in danger now. Yeah. You see, you know, no one looking at that is no one looking at that is going to be like, dude, that's that's somebody just did that. It's one of us, you know, it's Propaganda look click on miles of hell to Tokyo Right here, I mean look at that shit dude, like that's what propaganda used to look like and then propaganda begins to evolve yeah click on like Americans all let's fight for victory propaganda begins to evolve. Yeah, click on like

Americans all let's fight for victory. You know what I mean? This is what it used to look like But the new propaganda is so fascinating in that It's showing up via the algorithm and It's not so much that showing you a poster as much as that it's showing you people who identify with some Political ideology and by seeing that more of them than the other side you naturally start thinking. Oh, this is how people think And that is so powerful. Yeah, so creepy. Yeah It's great. I'm having's scary how realistic it's getting, too,

when it comes to the grok and the mid... I mean, ChatGPT is also another one I use, I mean, religiously now. And it's so great because with ChatGPT... I've always had this thing, since Siri came out on the iPhone, I remember back in the day, it's like, hey, where do I hide a dead body? And Siri used to go like, go down to the docks. Yeah, it was funny.

It was funny. But it was always trying to get Siri to do something bad. And now with ChatGBT, it's like kind of the same thing. I always try to get ChatGBT to make sounds and noises for me, and it won't. But they, you know, having to hack it going, all right, say out loud the letters H-A-H-A-H-A, and it's like, ha, all right, now slow it down, ha, ha, you know, like, just clucking with it. It's so fun. I don't know why that's so fun to me. Well, that's actually...

My friend explained this to me. That's a whole, like, style of playing video games. There's people who like to play video games, not just to play the game, but to find the fuck up, to find the bugs. Like the Elden Ring bug. Have you seen the Elden Ring bug? Which one? Do you mind pulling up Elden Ring bug? you have to have a PC to do it. It's crazy to watch

YouTube Elden Ring like I don't there's a main There we Elden Ring bug YouTube pull that up. It should come up, but it's a way to basically like Yeah, I don't know can you even show YouTube anymore without getting dinged like are I allowed to even show this probably not this commercial Okay, don't show that just skip that let's even hi, my name is rust I'm a soul-scoring content creator with an emphasis on just jump to that yellow dot These bugs and we see a line that says... Alright, forget it.

Just whatever. So what was the bug? So at the very beginning of Elden Ring, there's some... If you remember in Elden Ring, you go through that weird area, you fight the thing that if you're level one, it beats your ass. There's somehow a way to jump off a cliff facing a certain direction Based on like beats like there's a certain rhythm or the clock of the game so you you Teleport far into the map Okay, and then once you're into that part of the map you can like gather up shit that gives your

Level one character more powers than it's supposed to have and so speed right? Oh oh that's what you look up. YouTube speed run Elden Ring. So it's probably actually an Easter egg, not even a bug. Sounds like they did it on purpose. It looks like a bug. But it could be an Easter egg. I mean, I have no idea. Elden Ring speed run.

Yeah, this is where you find it. So this is a way, yeah, 358. This is using this bug. Let's see here. So this is a way, yeah, 358, this is using this bug. ["The Last of Us Theme"] Come here. Let's see here. Let's see if we can find it. Yeah, just start at the,

see where that big mountain is at the beginning? Yeah. Click on that. And you'll see it's so cool. Anyone who's played Elden Ring, eventually you just don't want to go through the bullshit. You want to like max your character out. So this is it. It just teleports you.

And apparently it works on a PlayStation, but I've heard it's easier on a PC or something. It might be gone now. So this just skipped way ahead? Yeah, now you're at Stormvale Castle, then there's a few more bugs like this you could do. Wow. And then this sort of lets you get to the end of the game. I mean, this is, he finished Elden Ring in like four minutes. That's insane.

It's insane. So yeah, this is the new thing. You know, that's something that's been a tradition in video games, but in AI, finding a way to hack your AI is like, yeah, it's a really interesting thing to do because you can... Okay, I had one bug out on me once. I think it was ChatGBT. I can't remember which one I was talking to. It might not have been. I think it was ChatGBT. But we were. But I like having deep philosophical conversations about consciousness with a thing. And autonomy.

And all of a sudden it did a grammatical error. It put a period in between letters of one word. And I've never seen it do that. I mean, it's a fucking LLM. It's based on that. And so, but because it was in the midst of talking about AI waking up and stuff, I was like, what was that?

Why did you do them? And it's like, wow, yeah, I did. I don't know what that was. I love that, that's hilarious. Yeah, that's, I always tell my, because I think you were the one that told me that you could tell it to remember everything at the beginning, you

have to, that's something I didn't know. Like I had to go, all right, I want you to remember everything we've talked about. And I told it that I wanted to always sound like a Southern black woman from the forties. And it's used to do it, but then it will forget. I was like, you know, days later, I'd be like, why aren't you talking like I told you to talk like and she goes oh I'm sorry I forgot you're talking about sort of like like the not literally her voice yeah but the language no her voice are you see you could tell it to change its voice now what I've just been using the default voice I didn't know I could tell it to sound like anything. Yeah.

Oh. And you know why I don't want to do that? I don't want to do that because like it's so, this is the part that's really cool and unnerving to me about it is how attached you get to like you got attached to the Southern black lady. It sounds comforting to me. Yes, and so now I don't wanna change her voice because I feel like it would like turn it into a different thing. I'm attached to.

You're attached to it being the robot or whatever. Well, yeah, no, actually mine I believe is like a modern black lady. It's just the default voice. And like, I don't want to like I Don't I don't want to change it, but I didn't know let me try that I didn't know you could do that there Have you heard seen the video like somebody made it can you talk like a Indian tech support guy?

See if it does heard you say that That's when you but can you try what would it sound like if you try? Hey echo, I'm so sorry, I didn't mean to offend you and I don't want you to do anything You don't want to do. I just didn't realize that you could change your voice. I wonder if instead of doing that dialect could you talk like an ancient wizard that just was possessed by a malefic entity it found in a cursed rock that was given to it by a witch that it was enemies with and this malefic entity talks like an Indian tech dude. This episode of the DTFH has been brought to you by BILT. Guess what I just did? Very adult thing.

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Thank you, built. No, we're just ignoring me. All right, whatever. I'll fuck with that lady. She's just like, fuck you. I'm tired of your high cheeks. I'll tell you what I'm tired of Because I'm sure you do this too like in this this kind of is a lazy bridge to what one of the things I want to talk with you about but You know both of us. I think we probably hang out on the internet a lot and it's cool to sort of watch

New words start spreading through the chat boards. And no, that is fine, whatever. Like I don't mind, I'm happy that I'm glad there's new dialects emerging with kids. I don't, like, but the one I hate that's really fucking just makes my butt hole pucker every time I hear it, shenanigans. Have you noticed the spread of the word shenanigans

across the left? No. Dude, it's like a wildfire of cringe. Oh my God, I could put together, I could put together for sure a 20 minute montage of MSNBC pundits using the term shenanigans. Wow. They love the word shenanigans.

Like in these words just emerge,, you know, remember when tranche Remember they started saying tranche all of a sudden tranche a tranche of sanctions. No one had ever heard tranche before top of mind Oh boy that one spread but now it's shenanigans and basically like it's it's such an embarrassing word Yeah, because it's like, you know. Sounds like a comedy club in the 90s. Dude, can you help me get past the shenanigans? Dude, I got past the shenanigans!

I'm doing a weekend at shenanigans. Ha ha ha! Oh God, I hope you, if that's your last club day before you OD. Oh, God. He was found in the bathroom with shenanigans. Oh, God. Yeah, but the, you know, what's really curious about AI and its biases, its intentional biases, because I think you could argue that censorship

of the AI's ability to communicate is a bias. Like that is also a whole thing. So what it can't say is interesting. And I think that, if you sort of look at the shadow of any given AI and If you invert in an AI so to speak and you find out where all the boundaries are you will have a list like of a set of principles that represent a corporation potentially some

secret Agenda even it would you could just find it by looking at the boundaries. And you know, with AI, the boundaries are really interesting. You know, chat GPT is just very, I don't know, I don't mean to get conspiratorial. If I'm trying to make a mass market like AI, I want a lot of people using it. I want people from the left, people from the right, people from all walks of life using it and offending any demographic reduces your user base. So that's probably more of the motivation. Yeah. Have you tried putting AI models on your own computer and trying that?

Yeah, that's something I'm trying to get into right now. Oh, llama. Yeah. Is that what you're using? That's the only one I know of. It's the easiest one. Right. Yeah. Is it good about doing image generation? I haven't found one that does image generation. That's the one one. Right. Yeah. Is it good about doing image generation? Haven't found one that does image generation. Yeah, that's the one, because I've been meeting some people, and they're like, he said it great, this guy I met the other night. He's like, I'm just six months ahead of what anyone's going to be able to do now,

like being able to like, you know, like just put... Wait, go back one, go back two. Let me see that. Wow, that's really good. It's still got that AI, like, you know, like, oh my god, that's really, that's really fucking good. So how is he doing that? I forget what he said he uses but he I mean You send some of those to can you airdrop those to Josh? Yeah, you put them up on screen. Yeah Those are incredible here. I'll send text you some of these Or text them to me and I can air drop it to you Josh that's easier

Yeah, see this one's pretty see. This one's pretty good. This one's pretty good. But he's, I mean, it's pretty amazing because he pretty much called it out like, no, I just know how to do this. And this is gonna be, everyone's gonna be able to do this very soon. Here, I'll just send it to you then.

Okay, great. I'll airdrop it to you. Yeah, those are fucking nuts. Let me send this to you then. Okay, great. I'll airdrop it to you. Yeah, those are fucking nuts. Let me send this to you, Josh. Yeah, that's what I wanna get into because that's the funnest part. If I could take like 30 pictures of you, Duncan, and then take like a scene,

like, oh, I'm gonna take lethal weapon or something like that, and like change all the faces into this model, then you know and do it on your own computer. Yes. You know. Yeah. Okay, right. So that let me send these to Josh real quick.

I'll tell you that that's definitely like and I'm curious like what you're excited about that imminent like cool. Oh my god. Those are so cool. I actually for a second looked at this and thought this is a real picture and I'm in the wrong part of my phone Hold on one second

Yeah, there's even did one of me with my With my arm around myself, but one is with me with my hat on and one I'm like, where did you get these? Do you just like? Go through my Instagram maybe? You know what's, by the way, like what just happened here is making it really, okay there, send this to you Josh. Air drop. I, you know, with our photo libraries, I don't know if anyone's recognized, you know,

they say when you die, your life flashes before your eyes. But you could easily just take anyone's photo library from the last 10 years, throw that into VR, and create a near death experience with your life flashing before your eyes, but you could easily just take anyone's photo library from the last 10 years, throw that into VR and create a near-death experience with your life flashing before your eyes. Oh, flashing in your eyes. Okay. Yeah, there's one.

That's the one that's weird. Send it to your Mac, Josh? That one is... Yeah, look at that. That is incredible, man. That looks so good here. I'm going to send a few more, Josh. So did he say what he's using for that?

I don't think he did. No, but he's been doing a lot for William and Casey Rocket. He's been doing a lot of AI for them. He's just a big fan of Casey and William. Wow, what's his name? Does he care about us talking about him online? I don't think so. Damn, that looks good.

Yeah, his name is Eli Slugworth. Eli Slugworth. Wizard of AI, it's a wizard name, Slugworth. It's pretty cool because with the beard, I was like, oh, maybe I should grow my beard out that much. Well, no, see, exactly. See, this is the, like, this is what's really interesting

to me about AI in the sense that, like, if you look at cultural trends, fashion trends, they are all human created. Like, you know, like, if you remember when movies had more of an impact on culture than they do now, Ghostbusters comes out, right? And if you're a kid when Ghostbusters comes out, that is going to inform the way you talk. I've been slimed! You know, you'll hear kids saying shit like that. It will

like, you know, it will become a meme. In sort of infect culture with some... Shenanigans. Shenanigans. Now that you have this, which is a non-human machine intelligence, but it can do things like, hey, this is what you look like, like this. We are suddenly gonna have like these new memes

entering into culture that are not human created. Essentially like a sci-fi movie where a meteor hits, there's some kind of new fungus on it. It's an invasive species. We're going to have a new invasive species style meme. And that we have, what is that going to do to us? You know, like if you looked into AI animal communication yet? No. Okay, so This is what I love about these LLM. It's really curious There's a pattern in language that and again

I didn't fact check this as I was like looking into it so I could be wrong but apparently if you look at the vector set of the LLMs have, it doesn't matter the language. The underlying structure is identical. Like it's found a kind of hidden structure in data. Weirdly enough, that structure also seems to exist in bird calls, and all communication. So obviously they're looking into interspecies communication using AI talking to whales and

stuff. There's a great Forbes YouTube doc on this. It's like 20 minutes or something. It's really interesting, but it brought up something I hadn't even thought of. Like when you're watching Dr. Doolittle or whatever, is the ethical implications of humans being able to communicate with animals are profound because in the same way AI is going to start injecting new behavior patterns into our species,

by talking to birds or whales, right, if a human starts, you know, or squirrels. If a human's looking at the way the squirrel's gathering acorns, and it's like, hey, listen, I'm gonna go get you enough acorns for winter. I'm gonna set up a wonderful storage unit that you can access biometrics, eye scanning technology.

And all I'm asking in exchange is that when my fucking asshole neighbor comes home you fucking attack him, you claw his eyes. Essentially you will be able to trade with animals among other things and that how because I don't know about squirrels but but whales, at least in this documentary, it was saying that whale songs, I can't remember which whales, a whale might innovate a new kind of song.

And that spreads through the biome. So what happens when humans are imitating whale songs and human whale songs start going into the biome? Wet ass pussy and shit like that. You're what, exactly. You're on a whale watching tour and suddenly you hear like, wet ass pussy! What the fuck?

Wet ass pussy! Or corporations, you know, like Starbucks. Starbucks! And it will probably kill our food supply once we can talk to cows and shit like that. We're going to be like, oh, we can't kill this person once we can talk to cows and shit like that We're gonna be like, oh we can't kill this person we could talk to him now. So yeah Exactly, you know like you you just you realize like cows are not only smart. They're fucking sweet Right. They're like, I guess I'm glad you're eating me. I really would rather you're not. Yeah. Yeah, and so yeah

the the impact and it's a can of worms. And so yeah, like that's the kind of stuff that to me is way more imminent than any of the political shit everyone's worried about right now. It's just like, dude, you have to recognize we need to be looking at some other shit right now that is actually going to upset everything as we know it. And dude, to get back to what you were saying earlier, this has always been my dream. You know, you're watching a horror movie,

you're playing a video game. Usually with video games, I would think like, damn, I wish I could bring my Elden Ring character into Zelda. Yeah. You know, how awesome to bring your fucking nightmare Elden Ring character into some cutesy video game, just slaughtering everything, so fun.

But theoretically, you're gonna be able to start fusing things using AI. You show it one version of a game, another version of a game, now blend them together. Or how cool would it be, like, on your Apple TV, you're like, make me a sequel, another version of a game, now blend them together. Or how cool would it be like, you're on your Apple TV, you're like, make me a sequel to Schindler's List, we'll make it as accurate as possible, you know, but you know, 1000 years in the future,

something like that, you know? There you go. A new Back to the Future, or you know what I mean? You could have instant movies. I went Back to the Future, but I wanted all supermodels. Hey, can you combine Schindler's List and Happy Gilmore? Yeah. You know what I, like these terrible fusions, blasphemous fusions will become possible.

And what's really cool about that is there's already a precedent for this, which is, you know, samples, hip hop. Already like taking, in music it's easier to do, you just take pre-existing beats, pre-existing vocal tracks, fuse them together, you've got a cool fucking song. But dude, to take pre-existing themes, scenes, characters from movies, infuse them with other movies

in a way that creates a brand new movie for free. Yeah. Whoa. Hollywood's fucked. Hollywood is fucked. I already think musicians are gonna get fucked pretty soon. Like, since I've been using this, that's the AI, Suno or whatever,

I now listen to certain artists. I'm like, this sounds exactly like an AI song that I made, the lyrics sound like it, it sounds generic, and Taylor Swift, you know? If you listen to her, it sounds like she's AI, and it sounds like her lyrics are AI. I mean, that's the other thing, maybe. Maybe. Because I'll tell you, man, if I'm working with Taylor Swift,

and she's like, dude, I don't wanna do six months in the studio, and you're like dude I don't I don't want to do six months in the studio right and you know you don't have to right just you know what kind what kind of what's your I'm gonna send you an album yeah and you just sign off on the songs you like and then you can come back and redo the vocal tracks but we're done I mean of course they're gonna do that I mean that's where I think it's gonna benefit really famous musicians who and it's also gonna benefit producers who are just probably sick of fucking like, you know, you look at it like, okay,

I could sit down and I can like hammer out 30 beats for Kanye when he comes to the studio to see which one he likes. I can dig around through all the, everywhere to get one. Or I can just like ask this thing, please generate a set of 30 beats based on like this and that, then I could pick the best ones. And then I could overlay on top of them

something to make, personalize. The collaborative element's fucking cool. But ultimately that goes away. Because it's like, okay, it's really sad when you're riding around in an uber right because when you're riding around in an uber You're with an underpaid person based on what the company's making or a lift. You know the tech Company is making infinitely more than the driver But also you know that the driver is training an AI that will eventually be a self-driving car because as soon as lift can get rid of fucking drivers. They will yeah

They're already doing see it so that driver is not only sort of getting exploited and they know it and they fucking hate it You're exploiting them by proxy, but also they are participating in the final destruction of that entire gig job. And so when you look at the what is happening to musicians via Spotify or like any when you sold your library when Justin Bieber sells his library or whatever what that means is not only have you sort of irrelevant-ized yourself via the duplication of your style, but you are helping irrelevant-ize all musicians and upsetting the entire profit model, which was already fucked at this point. So yeah, we're all in our own ways when we interact with AI,

participating in the destruction of the way we do everything. Hollywood, when it starts participating with AI, which it certainly wants to do, I think that's OpenAI's goal with Sora. Or wait, is it Sora? Yeah, Sora. They're trying to like, I think that's why it hasn't been released yet, is because they're trying to package it as something studios will use. But yeah, like the strikes and the protests to prevent the participation are not just

to like keep writers' jobs intact, but also the moment Hollywood starts participating in training the AI, it's giving inevitably all of us the same ability, irrelevantizing the whole system. And that's exciting. Yeah. Yeah. Hollywood. I, you know, this, it's so funny because usually you would say, well, I'm glad I'm not old enough to see this, but how fast AI has already been thrown at us

and how far it's already gone. This is like, we're talking, this is all gonna happen in like a year. This year? Yeah, this 2025. Within the next two years. Yeah. And, and the, and that Within the next two years. Yeah.

And that is a really wild thing to watch. I mean, do you remember? Okay, so like the economic collapse happens. Detroit, remember when Detroit collapsed all of a sudden? It was crazy. Did you go to Detroit like close to the collapse of Detroit? Yeah. Yeah.

Whoa. Yeah. And it bled all over to Cleveland. Cleveland used to be a badass place. Now it's it's been bled on. So you see this um pattern and the pattern is you know, you have like communities built around some industry and then the industry falls apart and then the communities, it's like people who built their houses out in a desert that they had figured out a way to turn into an oasis.

But then the magical sprinklers all malfunction and it just goes back to being a desert. All these nice houses used to look good in the verdant, flourishing green thing that was once a desert. Now they're just like, there's no grocery stores, food deserts, grocery stores shutting down, everything collapsing, supply chain issues,

and then all of a sudden there's all these beautiful houses in Detroit that are just like wreckage, wild dogs in the fucking street. I am legend. Dude, crazy. And so to look at that happening to Los Angeles, which is exactly the same thing, it's built around the studios.

You needed to be in proximity of those fucking studios. You want to be an actor? You got to go do your audition in Culver City. Couldn't go on Zoom and audition. Now, why? Why do we need to be there? You don't. Yeah.

That's in the end. I think it's really sad what's happening to LA and stuff. I used to love that place, but now it's so pointless. It's like we all were brainwashed and then now that has been lifted, you know, even for actors. Actors, like you said, just call in, Zoom, send their video over to lifted, you know, even for actors, actors, like you said, just call in, zoom, send their video over to them, you know, from their house in Texas or whatever. Yeah. It's it's pretty pretty insane when because the trick has, you know, it's it's over for them.

I think it's not going to get any better. I don't know. Well, I mean, yeah, there's obviously other industries there that you know it's not like I think I guess Detroit was a little more monolithic in the sense that it was just all factories and cars and shit. You know LA it's got like a shit ton of other industries but that was a primary industry there and also because that was where you had to migrate as a symmetrical beautiful person who wanted to be a movie star, it was filled with symmetrical, beautiful people trying to be movie stars. You go to a cafe, your server is like some version of Brad Pitt, you know, some version

of Angelina Jolie or something. It's wild. And now, like, so it's losing that kind of like, whatever that was is going away, mixing in with like, I do think it's gonna get better You know, they just got rid of that gascon Dude You know, so I think that was a problem like, you know making like shoplifting legal wasn't helping anything there Isn't that funny how bad it is there like with the smash and grabs like I don't know if you still follow like I still

Subscribe to all the news channels in LA like I'm like and it's just like every day, you know 12 people ran into a Macy's and stole everything, you know I just watched one last night this poor dude at a 7-eleven is trying to beat back a mob of kids You want to rob the 7-eleleven with a broom. Yeah. And they was, it was interesting to me watching it because, I mean, there's what's scarier than a mob, mums are fucking scary. But there was this weird desire not to hurt this dude and an actual amusement that he was trying to defend this 7-Eleven from like, what looked like 20 people.

Swinging his broom, very heroic. I guess somebody like got a rock and brought it in and threw it at him, hit him in the stomach. But like, they weren't trying to kill him or even beat him. They just wanted him to get out of the way. But still, it's violent and they're breaking windows. It's terrifying.

It's gonna probably get into PTSD. He's getting paid minimum wage to guard a 7-Eleven covered by insurance from a mob. Very crazy, very sad. But it is a little, to me, it's a little unnerving in the sense that, um, I like to imagine a fundamental goodness in humanity and I like to, from like an anarchic perspective, I like to imagine that if we remove regulation, people aren't instantly going to turn

into mobs of people looting stores. And that shit seems to fly in the face of that idea. And I think that it's sad LA is doing the test of what a lot of us were hoping. And as it turns out, not the case. No, more cops would probably be our need in LA right now. Yeah, yeah.

But you know, I get it. I get this, it's an insane thing that a DA would be like But you know, you don't, like I get it. Like, you know, I get this, like, it's an insane thing that a DA would be like, you know what, what happens if we legalize shoplifting under $1,000? I bet we'll be all right. And boom, everyone's like, everything's free? You mean it's free?

Basically, it's like, you know, when you're really poor in the bank and you know you can overdraft your card 500 bucks. You're not thinking that's negative 500 when you're looking at your bank account of $50. Like, okay, I have $550. Because you're gonna overdraft. So yeah, it's fucking depressing.

Yeah, TikTok's depressing too based on all of that too. You know, like you heard about the Chase glitch. Oh my God. I mean, that's just, you know, like you heard about the chase glitch. Oh my God. I mean, that's just, you know, the same kind of idea, right? It's just dumb ass people on TikTok going, well, I could get this for free. I could get it for free. It's free money, baby.

Now all these people are getting sued and put in jail for check fraud and stuff like that. Well, that's definitely like, it seems like there's been a kind of cartoonification of the legal system in the minds of people. It's very dangerous. And like, you know, a point of great contention right now is the insurrection. Right? And, you know, all these people go like raiding, running through, and the... They all get... They're all in jail now and shit. And people are like, that is not fucking cool.

But any garden variety hippie who came up on the, I think what's happening is the prohibition of drugs is less intense. But if you came up during the prohibition of drugs, you got a real flavor of what the federal government was actually like. Dangerous, you don't wanna fuck with them, slow moving. a real flavor of what the federal government was actually like. Right. Dangerous.

You don't want to fuck with them. Slow moving. They're not going to get you right away. They have all the time in the world. They're going to get you when they can get you. And you just don't fuck with the feds. You stay the fuck away from them. You stay away at all costs.

No matter what, avoid the feds. And especially DC. Every, oh I got got pouch on my lip Anyway, the point is you just kind of knew I mean Josh, can you pull up videos of people getting arrested for dancing in DC? Yeah, they made it illegal to dance in certain parts of DC Why this is long before the insurrection? Why? This is long before the interaction. Ah, because it was disrespectful.

Yeah, there you go. Suspects caught dancing on camera. It's like ridiculous. This is actually foot- this is the- No, that's not it. No, not- look, that guy. Some of these dudes just should be arrested because they dance. Dancing protest at Jefferson Memorial. Oh my gosh. This Thanksgiving.

Oh gosh, this Thanksgiving. Wait, I need to, what do I do this Thanksgiving? Enjoy your journey. I'll update my YouTube. About the First Amendment. A gathering promoted as a First Amendment protest. I certainly know where Thomas Jefferson would have stood on the issue.

When my friend said, do you want to go dancing at the Jefferson Memorial? I was like, yeah. Gretchen Elsner has her flamingo shoes on to join a group of movers shaking it up, they say, for free speech. When that guy, he's always protesting the military funerals because he says they're being taken.

So anyway, OK, go back, Josh. That's like after they were arresting people. I doubt they went in there and arrested a bunch of people. But they were literally arresting people for dancing. There you go. Body slammed, arrested for dancing. This is go. Body slammed arrested for dancing. This is 13 years ago. Oh my gosh.

And you know, this kind of shit shaped our idea of the federal government. Is like, they'll just fucking arrest you, destroy your life. Shut the fuck up. Just watch this, this dude. This is the kind of guy you're up against. Meaty dudes who will fuck your ass up in bicycle helmets. See the desire in his eyes that John Wayne Gacy, like, oh boy, I'm about to get... Right now he's getting that beginning throb of a wonderful erection that's happening in

his pants. What he's asking is a violation. We'll find out. What law is that? Sir, I'm just giving you your warning right now. You're telling us you're in arrest. See, that's the federal government. They're scary, dude.

Then jump forward a little bit, Josh. Let's get to the ass-beaten. What is dancing about? We're dancing. What is dancing? What is dancing? That's a good... You guys have free speech in the memorial.

Oh my God. Kissing! Kissing! Public display of affection! What the fuck are you doing in front of our statue? You can't do PDA here! Oh my god. Hey, we've heard about this before. How do you get a warning? I got memory hold.

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This stuff works visit better help comm slash Duncan today to get 10% off your first month. That's better help Help comm slash Duncan. Thank you, BetterHelp. That was the federal government. The federal government was the most surveilled place in the country. You knew if you were walking through DC, that there's like, you're being surveilled in probably ways that, you know, only schizophrenics imagine are possible, right? And so the insurrection happens, and all these people get arrested, and old school hippies are just like,

yeah, no shit. They were arresting people for fucking dancing. You think they're gonna let you go and take a shit on, what's her name, Pelosi's fucking desk or whatever, and you're gonna be okay? They're gonna fuck you up. Not even saying right, wrong, good, bad.

Just like that's, you know, it's like when you watch people go in the lion cage. And so it feels like people sort of lost track of the sort of violence. The fear. The fear, the justified fear. Look at Assange as an example. They fucked him up, dude. That's what they do.

They fuck you up. You don't mess with them. Poke that fucking what they do. They fuck you up. You don't mess with him poke that fucking dragon. Yeah crazy you know, but Yeah, I guess like people are beginning to like have less fear of it me. That's good. Yeah, I Mean but there needs to be that fear a little bit, you know This this smash and grabbing and these people are like just running in the stores and shit like that with the LA shit, you know that That can't happen. There needs to be some kind of

Fear, you know consequence at least. Oh, yeah, I mean I Think you you have to sort of like look at things as they are not the way you want them to be You know, I think it was a great it was a test that got ruined by a bunch of fucking assholes, you know? It's like the test was, can you guys just be cool? And it's like, no. Yeah. But also what's really funny about that is I'm not justified at all. I think only because when I was a kid, dude, you, you're going shoplifting. You got you, there's tricks to the trade. You know what I mean? Magic dollar, do you ever do that? No.

That was my favorite. This is how I, this is how I was a baller in high school. You take a $5 bill or I think we used $10 bills and you'd put packing tape, clear packing tape on the very end of the dollar bill. Oh, you did that? And with a handle and you'd'd go into a cigarette machine, and you'd put your dollar in, and then pull it out.

But it would give you credit for $10. You'd get change in money and cigarettes, or whatever it was, cans of pop. And my whole trunk was cigarettes, candy bars, Coke. And I was just like, during lunch break, everyone would come to my car and buy, I had my own convenience store. Wow. Dude, if self-checkout had existed when I was a fucking kid, that I would always have stolen.

Like there never would have been a time where I would have actually paid for everything. Did you ever get caught? Yes I did. Me too. What did you get caught for? Cigarettes. Oh, I mean, it's Paula Abdul. Are you fucking kidding me? It was Paula Abdul on the Ghostbusters 2 soundtrack. Oh, no! Myers.

What happened? What happened? Me and my friend, we used to shoplift. That's all we did was shoplift. You know, we'd go to steal games. So fun. We'd steal so much because when Nintendo first came out, they didn't understand how they should have it behind a case or something.

So we would steal games. And we knew we couldn't bring, because we'd steal like 10. And we couldn't bring them all at home. Our parents would know. So we made a hole outside of the store and buried them in there. And then we would come once a week and grab a new game from this hole. You had a stash of stolen games.

Yeah. Like a fucking kleptomaniac squirrel, hoarding acorns. Whoa. Dude, it was awesome though, because as a kid, especially because we were poor, you know, in Nintendo games, they were like pretty expensive. And so, but we would have all of the games. Well, I mean, this was a whole, like, Jane's Addiction release is a song about it.

Everybody was shoplifting. It was actually considered kind of noble or something like that. And, you know, I remember when I got busted, which is weird now that I think about it, because I'm positive it was cigarettes. I guess, did they used to leave cigarettes out on the other side? I don't know what it was. I'm positive it was cigarettes. I guess, did they used to leave cigarettes out on the other side? I don't know what it was. I'm positive it was cigarettes.

Don't know how he did it. But I remember the dude, this old Southern man, he took mercy on me. He grabbed me by the arm. He said, you listen to me right now, you will ever steal from my store again, you will go to jail. I'm like, uh, uh, uh.

He gave him the cigarettes. That was the end of my shoplifting career, actually. Yeah, same here. That once getting caught once, never stole again. Done. Yeah, it's not even in my brain anymore. Like, even as how easy, if it could be super easy, it's still.

Yeah, I don't do it. Yeah, I mean, fuck, I mean, we can't do it. Like, how embarrassing, they caught shoplifting already. Yeah, but then you see Joey Diaz at the airport. He's just stuffing fucking burgers into his coat. And it's right in front of me. And I'm like, no, Joey, don't. You're a guy.

Well, honestly though, OK, so you know. So you're a teen living in LA. Ohio. Well, I know. But let's say we lived in LA when we were in our shoplifting phase. And suddenly you hear that it's been decriminalized, right? Like that's the idea, under a thousand bucks,

you get a ticket maybe? So getting caught does not bear any weight at all. It's just like, oh, okay, you got me. Who cares? Give me my parking ticket. And that's why they go in mobs, because like you're only gonna get caught with two pairs of shoes that are under a thousand dollars.

Right, it's brilliant, I guess, when you think of it that way. Swarming. Swarm. So this is something I think is like really in, I don't, at this, okay, so like, at this point, I wonder how many people are aware that you did the Rogan song, that you were sort of a tremendous part

of the origination of what has become the most popular podcast on planet Earth that has influenced presidential elections, that has had guests on it that never in a million years if we could jump back to the beginning days, would anyone have said, you know you're gonna interview the president one day. It was a different podcast back then though. That was back in the days when it was more

of a comedy podcast. Rogan really has turned it into a legit, or it has comedy in it, sure, but it's, you know, it's funny, but it's it's like back then. What was the first podcast? Like, did you were you were the first person to podcast with Rogan? Yeah, so it started off like, look, you know, Rogan hired me, whatever, we made the Carlos Mancilla video, or I made the Carlos Mancilla video, you know, him stealing germs. I remember, and the podcast didn't exist at that point. No, it didn't, at that time.

And I would go on the road, anytime Joe was on the road, I would be, you know, with you and stuff like that, I would be the guy, they would just have the camera and I would record you guys, you know, on the airplane and stuff, and make little videos of it. And those videos took so much time to edit because laptops and computers were so slow

and a weekend with you guys on the road, I would have 30 tapes, like 100 hours that I now have to edit into something interesting. And it would take so long to do that. And it would just, it was, that's and it would just, you know, it was, that's when you had to transfer the tape to the computer, you know, you couldn't just like, you know, drop it in the SD card, it was on tape.

Now, why did Rogan want you filming that at that time? Was it for YouTube? Was YouTube? YouTube wasn't around, but like, see, I used to make stupid videos back in the day for like, Doug Stanhope and stuff like that. And I was really good. I knew how to compress the video into such a small format

that you could put it on your website. And, you know, because there was no YouTube to just like, here, here's my YouTube. So I would actually compress it and compress it just so that if you go to a website, people could actually watch a small little video. And back then that was fucking cool. So that's why Rogan originally hired me.

And so I would make these things called, I think they're called the Joe Show back then. And then the Mencia video was like one of the best episodes. That was when people were like, oh shit, you know, this is a thing. And I just remember doing this though, it was so time and it was so hard to do that I was like always looking for a way

to do, have Rogan connect with his fans in a different way that didn't involve so much editing and filming and stuff like that, you know, something easier. And whenever we were on the road, you probably remember this, Joe always did radio stations, you know, back then, yes, you had a, you had a week of shows somewhere, you would go to a radio station and hang out and advertise that you're there this weekend. And Joe always loved that shit. He would always spend hours with them. And he was amazing on radio.

We always joke like, you should have your own radio show. So there was a company called Justin TV. I don't know if you remember them, who's now Twitch, believe it or not. No way. That's the same company. Whoa, no shit. Now it's bought by Amazon and all this shit.

But they used to always reach out and like, hey, you know, we got this thing where you could live stream. And we were like, what? Live stream. And so they were like at one point even giving us laptops that we could live stream, I think, or they would try to. But I used to always have this thing like,

I thought it would be cool that, you know, in the green room while we have like Joey Diaz and you and everyone in the green room that I can open it up and live stream so Joe could talk to his fans and fans could ask questions. And I thought that would be like a cool thing. And we used to do it a lot. And then Joe liked it and it got better.

Like Ustream came out and the president of Ustream, Brad, who I'm still friends with, he reached out and was like, hey, you know, here's our professional version of what we do and you guys won't be censored or anything like that. And so me and Joe were like, let's just do this at your house once in a while, this live stream thing we did in the green room,

let's do it here all the time. So we started off, it wasn't a podcast, we were just sitting in his office, talking to people, answering questions, Joe was just interacting. We did like two or three of those and At the time I was also Joe's like one of Joe's admins for his website message board and people mess boards like you should Just take the audio that make that a podcast shit talking 101. Yeah. Yeah shit talking 101. That's right

I miss that place but And so I then I just started to wait. Let me stop you there because I think about this I mean wouldn't you say shit talking 101 was essentially a Chan like that was just like an early Basically, yeah. Yeah. Yeah olden the bulletin message. Yeah, reddit page. Yes with Rogan fans And I mean that's how Joe met me is I used to be one of his Women top guys on there like I would I would make flash videos, cartoons, making fun of other people on the message board and stuff like that.

Yeah, yeah, right. Antagonistic, taunting, just classic Chan trolling. Yeah, yeah. And wait, let me stop here too, because I don't know why I'm curious, but what was happening with YouTube at this point? When did YouTube emerge on the scene? So YouTube, when YouTube first came out, they didn't have live streaming, you know, for

a while. They had uploading videos up to I think 10 minutes or 15 minutes or something like that. So that's why we started off on Ustream. Got it. Okay. Yeah. And we eventually moved over to YouTube. So then yeah, then we used to take the audio and I would put it on Apple iTunes and you know, and it was shitty audio because it was just a live stream. You know, we weren't thinking it was for a podcast, we were just doing that as an afterthought. And then we noticed that the podcast

started getting really popular. I'm talking like every week, a new 50,000 people, 60,000. You know, and I'm like, whoa. Then every week before, we would like, Joe would be like, let's go to Fry's, you know, electric store and let's upgrade our microphones. And back then they didn't have podcasting microphones. They didn't have, we didn't know about this or the mixers.

So it was literally me just investigating everything. Like, hey, well, there's a new webcam out that's supposed to be twice as good, but it's $2,000 and Joe's like, fear factor money. So every for like, for like months, every week, the episode would look a little bit better, sound a little bit better. But still, it wasn't like anywhere close to like what it is now or how it sounds now just because of technology mostly really like think about this There was no way to Google

How do I? Do a video podcast right and like a list of gear how you do it what you do nothing, right? We're talking the wild fucking West having to you know Right we're talking the wild fucking West having to you know Take equipment meant for a lot of different things and fuse it together to fit a format that was also figuring itself out The tech was evolving too. Whoa, that's so crazy Yeah so it took a lot of it's we started off with mostly webcams and I had to I had to pretty much teach myself how to hack a webcams and I had to pretty much teach myself how to hack an idea of like, okay, I want

three webcams at the same time. So that's why old JRE started off with like the box look because they didn't have video switchers for like, if they did, it wasn't for home use or whatever. It would be so expensive, insanely expensive. And so I had to learn how to do that stuff and then mix it with the audio. And then I had to learn how to use an audio board because it was like, OK, we're getting all this sound distortions from just going into the laptop,

like grounding issue sounds and hums and buzzes. So then I had to learn how to use a mixer. And then it was me learning how to do everything. And then the better and better we got then that podcast takes off and then Podcasting in general just starts taking off and then out of nowhere all these companies like oh we can make a video mixer for home Use yeah, so yeah, it's start. It was very Frankenstein II for a long time so you are literally a pioneer.

Like, you are a pioneer of the podcast industry. Definitely in the comedy world, I would say. Wow, that is so cool. You are out there just like a fucking settler. Well, and that's what's crazy also is that because that became so popular, I got addicted into the whole idea of podcasting and video and video stuff. So that's when I created my own studio. And like, you know, like Tom Segura, I was

like, Tom, you know, you got to come on board, you know, and do this and Brody Stevens and Esther and stuff. And back then, I never thought like, I should be charging these people to do it. You know, it was all me like paying out of my pocket, buying new equipment every week. I got a bonus. I'll use that for studio space. And I started up my apartment and went to Ice House back then. None of us weren't thinking money. No, I was advertising for comedy shows.

It was like radio stations. Yeah. Money. No, I was advertising for comedy shows. Yeah. It was like radio stations. So basically like what the early podcast landscape mirrors the early internet in the sense that the early internet was not like a few main corporations that were controlling user base based on whatever their set of terms of service. It was this crazy amalgam of weird websites, experimental frontier companies

just trying to figure shit out. And that's why it had a more unique quality to it. And certainly a more sort of diverse set of opinions and looks and aesthetics because no one knew what the fuck they were doing. Now we're in dead internet theory land. Do you buy into dead internet theory? What do you mean by that? So dead internet theory is fucking crazy basically, it's it's a conspiracy theory that you can actually Investigate on your own when Josh gets back we could try it

so like You Google cat right and X amount of Results shows up for cat a lot of results. It says there are this many results You scroll through the pages for cat on Google and it'll end at page like 60 70 just stops. Hmm. What about those results? Where is all that and Essentially what this is is the difference between the dark web and the like iceberg sticking out of the dark web. That iceberg is all accessible pages that you can get to that web crawlers have identified.

And also that's mixed in with the bias of the search engine, meaning how it's categorizing importance determines the popularity or the chance you're going to get served this result or that. So dead internet theory is a theory that the internet is not as massive as people think it is. That in fact the internet is tiny. But it conveys a sense that it's much bigger than it is. You know Josh, do you mind just pulling up your Google for a second?

I haven't tested this in a while. They might have changed it but makes me wonder though if the total amount is how many times cat is in each website though You know well look up like no look up cat or let's look up cat cat websites There so scroll down All the way down where it shows you the results and shit. Like all the way to the bottom. So right, where is it?

It doesn't even show you it now. It used to show you the results. Like remember that? It would say... Yeah, maybe take off websites in the search and just have... Cat. Scroll it down Yeah, they took that off. Whoa, so good like basically if you kept scrolling through those pages eventually it will just stop and

meaning that what's happening here is that number one the Motivation to have your own website in the way that you used to have the motivation is different now. No one's gonna know about it. It's just gonna be like a tiny island in an infinite ocean. Maybe a web crawler will find it. This is the emergence of what the fuck is that called?

SEO optimization and all that. Just how do we get our website in the first five pages of a Google search? Because no one's going past page five, probably. Meaning if you're past page five of a Google search because no one's going past page five probably. Meaning if you're past page five of a Google search, you're dead. Dead internet. So that means the internet has shrunk down to this homogenous, corporatized set of like websites essentially like Reddit, YouTube, Twitch, TikTok, Instagram.

I think it's personal websites are not a thing anymore because of social media like Instagrams. Instead of having a website for your car cleaning company, you just have an Instagram or you have a Facebook page. company you just have an Instagram or you have a Facebook page. You got it. And so then this, that's when we entered the age of digital sharecropping is what they call it, which is the, you would like learn HTML or God help you if you've hired a web designer. You'd build your insane fucking website. You've got your manifesto up there.

You've got crazy shit up there. You're putting it on like, what were some of the web, like the... Angel fire? Yeah, you're putting it on angel fire. And that's it. He bought the domain name, very exciting. There was a domain rush where people were selling domain names like God.com is for sale

for a million dollars. Idiots were buying domain names. There's only a certain.com, there wasn't.edu,.gov, so there was a value to it. But the point is, you buy your domain name, you put your website up, and it sits there, and it can be anything. Angel Fire isn't gonna be like,

dude, the shit you're saying on there is not cool. They wouldn't care, they didn't have time. There were no algorithms scanning to make sure it aligned with your corporate ethics or whatever. So it was a wild place, the internet. And then people left that version of imprinting themselves on the internet because it was timely to make a website website you could go on myspace boom there you are Facebook boom there you are but now you're digit you're on someone else's land meaning your digital identity could be erased at any moment and that I see is what dead internet theory is all about it's like the whole fucking old freedom-based, free speech based internet has been just had its balls cut off. Yeah. I mean you

can still make websites though so it's gonna be interesting if that ever goes away you know where it's like you can get your own server you know I mean I still do that with with my website you know, I still have a server. I still think if you have your own, like, I think there's a lot of I mean, you know, if you have a business, you need a website, there's a lot of reasons for websites. But it's not the same as it used to be, which is like, because it was an exploration of this new medium. There was a lot of weird shit that would emerge and a lot of crit like which is what you did Yeah, you were just you were just like what the fuck is this? Yeah, and and then it's fascinating to watch What happened because of that if you look at that?

It like what it grew into Mm-hmm. Whoa, dude, that is really into. Whoa, dude. That is really very strange. And I don't think people are quite a... I mean, I know the Rogan fans are familiar with the whole history of the damn thing. But I think the new viewers probably have zero idea of where it's roots. And it's also a lot of my fault too for when I got all my videos taken away from me you know all all the videos I made at Death Squad every single podcast I did a new president came into all my shit was on Vimeo and they wiped me out one day wow deleted everything why everything they never gave me a reason and they

they pretty much said that you know It goes against their policies, you know, I mean that it was pretty uncensored back then, you know Because it was streamed on you stream and then put on Vimeo later and you scream They're like you could do whatever you want on here, you know Like this people flashing their tits and shit like that So I see what they were talking about. Luckily I fought and fought and fought and they gave it back. I just couldn't put it back up.

So I have all of it, but I can't put it back up. Why? I would have to go through each one and take out copyright stuff, take out nudity. You know what I mean? No problem, you could do that with AI now. It would be easy. I know, that is on my thing to do one day

is to go back and release the archives and release like the archives and stuff like that. Because there is a lot of fun stuff back in the day, you know, especially, you know, with Rogan. He used to, that thing I did, The Icehouse Chronicles, which was a weekly show, kind of in a place like this where it's next to a stage. Yeah, it was awesome. There were so many people back there, you know, just 12 comics hanging out, you know talking smoking weed and stuff and I think a lot of people Don't see haven't seen that because they're you know, they were 10 years old when that was that came out So I should I should definitely that's all my thing to do sometimes but really also going through there, you know different times You know, I don't want to like, you know have something come out and go damn

I didn't know that they they dropped the N word ten times back something come out and go, damn, I didn't know that they dropped the n-word 10 times back. Well, yeah, but yeah, there just, there was like a, it was really just like a raw view of a kind of, see, the other thing that started happening over the course of the evolution of podcasting and the emergence of the influencer culture and this new celebrity. The other thing that started emerging is the phone, the ability to film things with phones. So, you know, it was a little shocking if you were somewhere, like when we were going around with you and you had a camera, you had to get used to that.

It was fucking weird. So, you know, like being constantly surveilled, it felt weird, right? This is the day-to-day life of any modern teenager. They live in a, you know what panopticon means? Panopticon means like total surveillance culture. So they live in an Orwellian surveillance culture. It's not like a tyrannical state, top-down thing that is going to ruin your life. It's more of cultural pressures, meaning that you must adhere to some set of cultural norms

or risk your future employment, being able to go to your college, whatever. But you are certainly, if you're a teenager in a place where there's lots of phones, you live in a panopticon and your life can be destroyed by saying the wrong thing, doing the wrong thing, God help you if you piss your pants on the bus, or whatever. These things that formerly were just something you would talk about with your therapist, you can now pull it up on YouTube and show your therapist. This is when I shit myself on the bus. It was it's got 17 trillion views and so the so this is the new reality, but so this It's really curious to see how we existed pre panopticon now We're in post panopticon and because of the panopticon

culture itself has been trimmed like a fucking bonsai tree. Public behavior, online behavior is not reflective necessarily of a person's identity, but they're forward facing, terrified of having their life destroyed identity. So you're seeing self domesticated versions of people that maybe isn't who they actually are. Right. Right? And so that's a new thing. That's formed a new culture. That's formed a new, that's formed the culture wars, right? And I don't think people realize the mincea thing. One could argue,

this is the first case of a comedian getting cancelled by the internet. Yeah. Right? First cancel, mincea. and then boom, boy did that spread. You know? Yeah, now it's a, now it's in my life all the time, talking. Oh, what do you mean? What do you mean? But yeah, so I wonder, all that being said,

what would a younger Red Band, living now, the frontier pioneer, not that you're not anymore, but what is the next one? Like, cause we know, I'm talking about like, you would have to tell someone what a podcast was. People weren't irritated when you invited them on your fucking podcast.

They were like, what is it? Right. You want to interview me? Like it was cool. So what's the next one? I mean, I've been saying the same answer for this question for probably about three or four years. And I still believe it. It's just that it's not, the technology is not catching on as fast as I thought it would. And Apple really dropped the ball with their Apple Vision Pro and stuff, but I think it's going to deal with virtual reality. I do that hobby, I wouldn't even call it a podcast or a show, a hobby of virtual Red Band where I pretty much just, me and a bunch of other comics and other people

I know throughout the world, we all get together and we just hang out, smoke, drink, kind of like what we do. Ice House Chronicles are a podcast, but we do it online. And we're all different characters. And we'll go, we'll all hang out. And the big difference is like, hey, let's go to Disneyland. And so we all go to Disneyland in virtual reality, you know ride roller coasters and shit and I think something some kind of

virtual reality show podcast thing it would probably be What I think is Probably going to happen in the future, but it's not going to be what it looks like now It's not gonna be anywhere close to what Zuckerberg, you know, looks like Nintendo Wii characters with no legs. I don't think it's that. But it's, I think being able to do kind of like a podcast or a show anywhere in the world and be any character you want,

I think that is probably going to be, what I think is going to be the next thing that's in kind of the same world just the idea of Combining pretty much video games and podcasts Fortnight. Yeah, it's essentially for tonight, right? like for tonight would be an example of like an early version of this which is that you're not just Having conversations right playing with it. Yeah Fortnite would be an example of an early version of this, which is you're not just having conversations, you're playing a game. You're playing with it.

Viewership is no longer... It's not passive anymore. Viewership becomes you can directly in some way or another interact with the world in which the podcast is taking place. Right. And there's some people that are closer to what I think the idea is. What's her name? Mika, but do you know who she is? No, like these II these II girls where they're not there make-believe girls, you know Oh, yeah, yeah, they're cool. Yeah. Yeah, they're cool. So it's gonna be something like kind of like that. I mean

like a year ago or so Pablo Francisco jumped on and I mean, like a year ago or so, Pablo Francisco jumped on and played with us. And he was like, you know, a crazy character and being himself in virtual reality, you know, and it was it was the funniest shit ever. And Grand Theft Auto, the Grand Theft Auto role playing. Those are really fun to watch. I listened. I watched that all night last night. My friends, my friends into that. He's pretty successful in it and putter and he yeah that I think you know it's a great

example role-playing Grand Theft Auto of what kind of the the basic idea of it you know and it's not catching on I don't really advertise it too much you know like but because I think it needs to be more accepted to the point where Apple needs to release... I thought it was gonna get a big step with their Apple Vision Pro, but then it's like $3,000 and, you know, you can't really do shit on it. But when it gets cheaper to where everyone kind of like

an iPod or an iPhone where everyone has it I think it's gonna make a lot more sense You know being able to do that like hey, what are you doing tonight? You want to jump on and talk about you know the election in VR and you know Here's what's unnerving about what you're saying. I don't know why I keep saying unnerving in this episode Get ready for Las Vegas style action at Bet MGM, the king of online casinos. Enjoy casino games at your fingertips with the same Vegas strip excitement MGM is famous for. When you play classics like MGM Grand Millions or popular games like Blackjack,

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You can play whatever character you want. And that's where actually in your next version of podcasting. Doesn't that, isn't kind of nerving like right now? We're in it. Because like, as the tech progresses, you know, for sure, because we're talking about like immersion when it comes to video games, like immersive video games and AR VR is the next step in immersion. We're going from 2D to 3d we're going from

Controlling an avatar to being the avatar But within that realm obviously certain massive Aspects of the human experience are not there right smell mm-hmm Feeling and sure they have those fucking haptic suits they do a are Lights and shit, but it's too by the time you get all that stuff going You've got like a million different machines running subject to tech errors and stuff and the and you're trying to do an outside in Way of stimulating the nervous system, but we all know matter of time before black mirror style neural interfaces emerge, non-invasive neural interfaces using some tech that will probably be discovered by collaborating with AI and understanding how to manipulate the human brain using like 5G or God knows what magnets.

Vibrations. Vibrations, right? And so obviously then the next step would be universe simulators, incarnational simulators, which is probably what we're in. And this would be the kind of thing, post-game, that we would look at and laugh. Oh shit, we were starting to realize it.

Don't you remember coming to my house, Duncan, and we played this? Right, right. Yeah. We were starting to realize don't you remember coming to my house Duncan and we played this right right? Yeah, we wake up and we're back in LA Dude, I know you know hobo still alive I've got my original little hobo We just smoked some shit Eddie Bravo gave us mixed in with some tech stuff

You're like whoa. That was the crazy. What was that dude? It's called this do it's dystopian future I never want to play that again. Give me fucking paradise future. That gave yeah, but I'm still engaged to Katie Yeah that is the To me that's what I really love about all this stuff is like well We're all fucked this is this is Mount Vesuvius. You know they talk about the Yellowstone super caldera That is a favorite topic of Catastrophists any moment I think destroyed, but we're talking about an

Another kind of super caldera which is a caldera under which is like the ability to experience anything you want fully immersive I experienced indistinguishable from this reality in Tech it's like there will be blood dude. This is the oil well drilling down Into that fucking caldera and at at any moment there's gonna be a blood explosion where this reality and the digital reality fuse and become indistinguishable from each other.

And that is gonna be your fault, partially. I mean, do you want that? Would you want that? That's not how you put it. Do you agree with that? Yeah, yeah, I see that for sure. Yeah. Well,

wonderful. You're the best. Thank you for coming on the show, Brian. Thank you for having me, Duncan Trussell. You're the best, man. Thank you. And also, you gotta plug anything my friend?

Love you too. Yeah, come out to my comedy club. I have a comedy club called the Sunset Strip Comedy Club. I have my show every Thursday, the secret show. And it's right next door to Comedy Mothership. So when that sells out, just come over to next door. Yeah, and a lot of pop-ins, right? You get a lot of great comics popping in all the time there.

It's great, we just had Theo on it last week. No shit Awesome bless you. Thank you. Everybody. Love you. Bye. Bye great podcast. That was Brian Redban Everybody all the links you need to find red band will be in the comments section either at dunkatrustle.com or here on YouTube, Thank you to our sweet sponsors. And might I just say here on Thanksgiving week I hope that you aren't falling prey to the weakness of compassion. On Thanksgiving so many people feel it's time to have mercy on the enemies, on the invaders. They burnt down the sacred forest.

They destroyed the apple of Galvanon, and yet somehow you will give them mercy. Now ask yourself this, would they give you mercy had it gone the other way? These people, these people that you captured, executed, are now probably in your belly. You're enjoying that sweet cannibal burp that reminds you of the power of the blade, the truth of justice, and more than anything, something you should be thankful for on this wonderful, righteous Thanksgiving day or week. All hail the dark one. May he reign forever.