Duncan Trussell Family Hour - 670: Joe Rogan

Episode Date: March 7, 2025

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Alas, my friends, it's here. Many of you have been speculating, who will it be for episode 666? I think you knew the answer. Joe Rogan is one of my oldest friends. It's crazy how we became friends. When I was working at the comedy store, we just started, you would call him for spots and then we would just talk. Stoner talk, you know?

Talk about Terrence McKenna, the Singularity UFOs. In those days, I don't think either of us was thinking like, one day we're going to record these and one day you're going to have some impact on like global politics. We're just two stoner friends, the appen. to have some impact on like global politics. We are just two stoner friends, the appen. I wanna say a few things, just to avoid them in the comments. Number one, we're wearing suits.

We are not satirizing Lex Friedman. So, since this is episode 666, the idea was What would the what's the most satanic attire a suit is what we came up with also? I didn't order the fucking devil costumes. I'll just forgot so we did suits Lex we love you, so please friends. Just don't think we're doing some fucking Lex Friedman dig or something or not friends just don't think we're doing some fucking Lex Friedman dig or something. We're not. 666. We're thinking more like Angel Heart, Robert De Niro, and also I didn't order the devil costumes. Also you'll notice that the background is the JRE Studios, but the home of the DTFH is comedy frequency.

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Let's teleport to the JRE studios and talk about the devil with Joe Rogan Joe, thank you. I am honored. I can't believe I get to do this in the JRE studios. This is badass. We were gonna set it up in the red pill, but things just got too hectic. No, this is- We still have the red pill. This is freaky.

It's called the red pill? Yeah, somebody named it the red pill. Speaking of red pills, let's just kick off 666 in the right way. I think this is a question that the world really does have for you. Do you think Satan is real? I think satanic things are real, right?

I think child sacrifice is real. I think, like let's just, let's say the devil's money. Okay. The devil might be money. Sure. And not necessarily all money is the devil, but the devil might be money. and it not not necessarily all money is the devil but the devil might be money if you are a pharmaceutical drug company and you have Some sort of a medication for children that you know is gonna cause complications a certain percentage of it and kill them and It's not necessary for the kids. Yeah, and yet you still push it because you think

you can make money. That's child sacrifice. It's just happening in a different way. It's not like in the woods. It's not like you tie the baby up in front of its mother and throw it on the fire. No, no, you're just killing it with a vaccine for money. You don't have to tie babies up.

They can't really defend themselves. You have to tie the mother up. And if you fuck that up, problems. Yeah, she'll kill you. I got you though. Yeah, I know. You have to tie the mother up right and if you fuck that up Problems. Yes, she'll kill you. I got you though. Yeah, I know I'm saying it's like there's things that happen in this world that are pretty Satanic And when you know that people are just doing it for money Dude, this is oh My god, he was on your podcast, the guy running the Ibogaine Initiative in Texas.

Rick Perry. I love him. He's great. What's about Jimmy? Ryan Hubbard. Not Rick Perry, Ryan Hubbard. Oh, the other Jimmy. Ryan Hubbard is awesome.

Anyway, he told me the best C.S. Lewis quote, the banality of evil things. So when people consider Satan, or you know, Angel Art is one of my favorites. It's a great movie. It's a near-oh, killed it is Satan. Mickey Rourke, fucking amazing. Oh dude, it's so great. But you know, there you have the classic like sympathy for the devil version of Lucifer,

a kind of gentleman, you gentleman, beautiful, terrifying, uncompromising. Or you get the slayer version of the devil, just raining blood out of the sky, blowing up Christians. But C.S. Lewis is like, no, that's not what the devil looks like. The devil is boring. The devil actually, at the pharmaceutical companies probably doesn't look like one person being like,

you know what, how many kids are gonna die? How many yachts does that buy my friends? Let's do it. It doesn't look like that. It looks like it's modular. It's diffused throughout the company. Not every, there's no maybe, no one person who's like, this will kill a bunch of kids.

But there's a lot of little people making tiny little decisions. And in that, you know the pin thing, you push your hand through and you see your hand, that's where you see the devil. It emerges in these complex structures. That's where it is. Some form emerges. And it's also from diffusion of responsibility. Absolutely.

So you have a large number of people that are all going along with a thing. That's how you get people to go to war. It's diffusion of responsibility. How can you get someone to get in a plane and fly to a place where they've never been before, leave their wife and child behind, and kill somebody they never met?

How do you do that? Well, it's very hard. But you've got to get them all to think as a group. You've got them all to behave as a group. And then you can kind of pull it off. Or you drag them out of their house and tell them to blow their fucking brains out if they don't do it. That's the new method.

Certain countries. You know what I mean? It used to be certain countries. It's Russia and Ukraine. I don't want to say those countries because I wanted people to just guess. Oh shit. I mean, I don't know. Maybe there's other countries too.

I'm sure other countries do it. Look, there was the whole Vietnam War draft and people were fucking running away and moving to Canada because they didn't want our government to force them. Oh, your name got picked. You have to go murder people. Dude, you would go... I don't remember which book I was reading, some awesome book about the 60s and talking about going in the draft offices.

And there would be dudes in there simultaneously shitting themselves and jerking off because they wanted to not get drafted and show that they were insane. And then they had to start changing the laws. It's like, go ahead, fuck your own turd. You're going to Vietnam. You know what I mean?

And so to me, like when you, but I guess you could say for every screaming conscript being dragged into a van in front of his weeping mother, there's people dragging the conscript into the van. More, more people. In their minds, that makes sense. They're like, we have to do this because if we don't do this, people will die.

So you have to die. Now, this is where it really, like, that fucking cartoon Musk tweeted, the train rolling over all those people. Did you see it? It's like a train, it's a meme. A train's running over all these people. And someone's saying, if we don't let,

we can't stop the train from rolling over all these people unless we know the train will stop rolling over people in the future. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! That's hilarious. Satan! I mean, what if you... Is that a meme about the war in Ukraine? No, no.

We're not talking about Ukraine, yes. That's definitely what that's... He's pointing out the sheer absurdity in the vehement, vehement pro-war attitude that has emerged among factions of people who simultaneously proclaim themselves to be progressives. And I have always thought of progress. I always thought like progress means we're gonna drive past the war phase into a place where we stop killing people. But apparently that is not progress. In fact, progress means going right into World War III.

You're just driving right in, fuck it. World War III, we gotta progress to World War III. That's where, you know, and you know me man, you've known me for longer than, you're like one of my oldest friends on earth. And I have never been a war person. And I'm still not a fucking war person. And I caught shit from people on the right when I say I'm not into war, but now, just saying the exact same thing right now, I will catch hot shit for saying, I don't think we should do war.

And now if people on the left will be like, you've changed, dude. It's like, I'm still think it's bad to blow people up. Such a controversial opinion. How did you have the courage to say that? Dude, I don't think it takes long. Because most people are super pro-war. For you to like stand out and say, I really don't think we should just go kill people we don't know, that's kind of a crazy stance to take. Dude, I know. It's the drugs.

Especially from someone who, you know, is kind of progressive. Yeah, dude. I don't get it. Well, not anymore. Don't you see where the flags are flying? Well, the problem is, like, I guess if we get, because the definition of the damn thing has been redefined, you know, you don't get to be, like, you can't tribalize yourself into that place anymore if you aren't 100%.

And look, do I watch drone kill videos at night? Yeah, like there is something incredibly, infernally horrific about watching futuristic war, the drones dropping bombs on conscripted Russian soldiers who are probably political prisoners. That's the other thing, and I know we've talked about this before, Joe, but that's the other thing that infuriates me,

is okay, so here's what we're supposed to hate right now right we're supposed to hate Russia we're supposed to hate China and North Korea there's a few others in there you got to hate them now we hate Russia why well Russia's not a democracy true it's an oligarchy and also there's no real elections there Putin just is the dictator of Russia, whether he calls himself that or not. Throws people out of windows and shit. This is all true, right?

Now, as a dictator, you gotta get people to shut the fuck up. That's rule number one, because if you get some mouthy motherfuckers going around like, this isn't really a democracy. Like, I don't think he's the real president, I'm pretty sure. If we voted, he might not get voted in again. But let's give it a shot.

If he does, it's a democracy, and that's how it works. You gonna take a long fall out of a building if you're too loud. You're gonna get poisoned. So, or you go to a prison, right? Go to prison. And then when you go to prison, you're like, fuck, I'm in a Russian prison.

You're getting beaten and shit. and then they're like good news You're getting out of prison awesome to go fighting a war and so then they take people out of their prisons There are political prisoners right because it does seem there are rules in Russia. You can't just execute a political prisoner They got it like get sick You know there's you got to kind of like they get a fever and then they die or you know There's an accident everybody knows what it is, but on paper it looks kosher Yeah, make it look kosher And so what dream come true if you're a fucking dictator with your prisons filled with political prisoners

Then to fucking have a nice goddamn meat grinder you can just throw them into and then you got people on reddit throw them into. And then you got people on Reddit showing videos of the political prisoners who've been conscripted getting their faces blown off by drones. And they're like, nice job! We did it! It's like you just blew the brains out of a fucking professor who was like, I don't think this is a democracy. So congratulations! Way to go! Honestly, I never made that connection before, but it's totally accurate. Yeah, dude. It's really, it's kind of mind-blowing to me, man.

And I mean, you've been in the, this is like, you've been in the brunt of this for years. Like, you've been in the, I've known you for years. And like, you've just been in the like, just cross hairs of blame. And this is where it gets really interesting related to Satan, which is of course, do you know like what the name Satan actually translates into and see what it means?

You do know, right? I don't. The accuser. Ooh. The one who accuses. Really? Yes, the accuser. And, or, and, and. What does Lucifer mean?

Lightbringer. How confusing. The one who accuses who also brings light. He's a contradiction. Well, he's, you know, just listen. Look, we have to be rational here. You are a Nazi. I was looking at this wild take this lady had on some subject this morning. I

Was looking at this wild take this lady had on some subject this morning Which I often do when someone just says something completely wild some wild left-wing take and I went to her page I'm like, what does this lady believe and right in the header? It's like Elon Musk is a Nazi And there's a lot of people like that. Well he flapped his arm wrong. Yeah he shouldn't do that. This is gone. He flapped it wrong. Can't do that one anymore.

Flapped it wrong. Yeah dude so yeah that that so if you want to really like find and I love I mean this is why I will always have a kind of weird fondness for Satan, not for the horror, but for the technique. Like if we're going to assign personality to distortion of reality, I mean, that's exactly what Satan is. It's like the distorter of reality. And via that distortion, violence ensues.

Like if I can get enough people to believe You're a Nazi Elon Musk is a Nazi. Hmm, then Violence will come. I mean, this is Russia's rationalization This is where that all gets scrambled up one of Russia's rationalization for the invasion of Ukraine Was the D Knox not suffocation of Ukraine. We We gotta get rid of the fucking Nazis. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, it's fucking crazy. Because Nazi is a good way. Like, you know, I love those revenge movies,

but further where someone's family gets blown apart in the beginning by thugs, or there's like traumatic like sexual attacks and then the survivor just gets to chainsaw the arms off of the attackers for the rest of the movie you know right and then you can enjoy it because you don't have to feel sympathy for the person. John Wick. John Wick. The list goes on and on. Oh yeah. The hills have eyes. And so this is how if we wanna remove compassion

or the very human quality of compassion from us, then you need to create a monolithic villain and then we don't feel bad. Right. Nazi, that's what you do, Nazi. That's the great quote Satan's greatest trick was convincing people that he wasn't real first thing you want to do if you thought all the things that get that happened to people all of the horrors created by people that are forced into this

Realm through an idea that a person has to act on. Like if we wanna, you don't have to have a tail and be breathing fire and like live in a lake of lava. That's demonic. Like people breaking into someone's house and killing the whole family, demonic. That's real, that does happen. So something gets into that person

that they wanna do that. And whether it's a life of other demons getting into other demons and torturing a kid until that kid is a complete psychopath. Violent, horrifying, upbringing, incest, whatever it is. And then all of a sudden this kid is now 35 years old, a murderer. Yeah.

Like what is that? It's Satan. Satan, like it's real, it's just not real like in a cartoonish television way of ha ha ha ha ha. I'm in hell, I'm the heat miser. You know? You remember the heat miser? I'm mr. Heat miser whatever I touch Great, I used to love oh those are great those are probably from like the 50s right I think like

5060 ish like that stop-motion yeah fucking cool is cool. cool, yeah. Well, you know, this is the other thing which is I love about Christianity, because I mean, if you're gonna talk about Satan, you gotta talk about Jesus, because Satan is like generally a Western, there are demons in Hinduism, but in Hinduism, the difference is like the demons, they can become saints, like the demons, Hinduism, but in Hinduism the difference is like the demons they can become saints like the demons you know like Ganesh he rides around on a mouse

he can shrink get him the elephant god he can shrink very small and he has his mount is a mouse and the story behind that I mean is that the mouse was a giant fucking demon and Ganesh got sent to take care of the demon and sat on it. And the sheer weight of this massive elephant got made it so the demon couldn't get out from under him. And I think they sat there for like thousands of years until the demon like submitted and became Ganesh's like dearest associate and then was like just right around on me. And so you know it's obviously you take it literally it's a cartoon but it means a lot more than that. The mouse is the symbol for like it used to be if you it still sucks if you have mice in your apartment or your house but it used to be if you have mice in your farm it was eating your grain it would polluteute everything, it was pestilence, vermin, famine.

And so Ganesh is the bringer of good fortune. And what does he ride? The thing that represents bad luck coming to you. And it's brilliant. And so but the point is, in those cultures, the bad thing actually is the vehicle to the good thing and Whereas in art in the West, you know, it's just Satan is unredeemably fucking evil. There's no way that motherfucker you can't think about who made Satan Right, you're not supposed to ask that you can't think about who made Satan because obviously if there's a God that made everything God made

Satan and then you have to be like, it's God omnipotent. Right. Why did he do that? And then you're like, so God is- Why doesn't God put the brakes on that? And is there a difference between God and God's creation? And then that means Satan is actually a puppet that God puts on his hands. And then that's where you get into, and this is what I want to bring up with you, man. AI, to train an AI, do you know what they have? What? The antagonist network. You need something that the AI can basically arm wrestle with to advance.

Really? Yes. And so in this, Satan in this case, is actually the weight that humans lift to become stronger by resistance. It's you resist Satan, resistance. It's you resist Satan resistance It's a resistance workout except it's an ethical resistance workout. It's not fascinating hmm

So what they're doing with AI this Agitation that the antagonist antagonist network. What is that? How does that work? So in my cursory browsing through it, the antagonist network is some kind of way you're training the AI to know right from wrong. It's presenting bad information, I guess, and it has to be able to use that to figure out what good information is to train it.

You need something like this is wrong, this is right. That's where it's so terrifying when you see things like the woke AI from Google, the Gemini, making images of Nazi soldiers and it's a diverse group of multiracial women for Nazi soldiers. It's like, cause then you know that really stupid people are programming this thing.

It's not just Uber intelligence. It's not just like the the most unfathomable level of technology available. It's also been given some of the dumbest ideas that humans have figured up. And also, by the way, human cowards, the most cowardly amongst us, are the ones who support those ideas. And they support them with bullying and then they support them with like You have to have complete total Adherence to the doctrine and if you don't you'll be cast out and the doctrine keeps moving It gets further and further wackier and wackier all the time and you have to keep up with it or you don't

So it's like it's a cowards game and imagine the most cowardly people amongst us are the ones who are programming the superintelligence to keep going with all these stupid ideas that we have and amplify them. It doesn't know what's moral and ethical. If we decide that something is moral and ethical, it's moral and ethical. It's a conscious decision made by human beings. Yeah, especially when you think about the Just the laws of nature the the natural world is filled with animals eating animals Yeah, my life forms eating life forms That's the whole thing is consumption and survive and trying to advance and accelerate your evolution so that you can stay more productive

Right and keep and that's that's the same with humans. It's like, and we're in this weird sort of rule game where we'll say murder's bad, but war is good. Drugs are bad, but alcohol and whatever your doctor prescribes you is good. We'll decide what's moral and what's ethical. Segregation, bad. Unless it's black-only spaces. Yeah. And then you're okay.

Yeah, and so that's where the math starts falling apart. Yeah. And then you do get into, I don't know how you, he was so brilliant. Orwell's brainwashing was, what was it? Two plus one is three, four. Two plus one is four. No, it's not, it's three, it's four.

It's three, four, shock him! And then if you can start getting the person who's trying to condition to accept the distortion. But most importantly, to subvert their rational mind. See, that to me is like, I don't care what the fuck it is. It's like, if I can get you to ignore your rational mind, then I can control the shit out of you.

I just gotta get that fucking thing that tells you, this something seems off here to shut the shit out of you. I just got to get that fucking thing that tells you this something seems off here to shut the fuck up in you and for you to recognize that thing as Antithetical to Like the future of humanity if I could do that As Satan yeah, I've won the day, you know Because if I can make you then because I've turned you into a confused fool a confused fool and a coward and a coward too because you

Didn't have the courage to say no Two plus one is there I don't care how many times you shock me and you can do that with almost anything anything and You know I was watching okay. There's a post on Matt Walsh's Twitter about an article. I Think it was from the Times, but the title of the article was about white men, and he had a really good point. He had a really good point. Could you imagine if someone made a similar article

and made it about women or black women or black people? Like this idea that it's okay to make an article like this just completely generalizing. Can white men finally stop complaining? Can, yeah, can we? This is the Wall Street Journal, that's what it was. So look at this. For 50 years, we've been hearing from men

who feel threatened by the gains of women and minorities. Now that the Manosphere is in charge, the victim mentality has to go. First of all, really? Who's feeling threatened by the gains of women? Is that a common theme? Have we been constantly hearing about that for 50 years? And minorities?

Is that really a common theme? Maybe they mean weight gain. What does that mean? But look at this no mainstream publication, whatever in a million years, published an article titled, Can Women Finally Stop Complaining? Or Can Black People Finally Stop Complaining? It's true. It's a kind of open contempt that can only be expressed towards one demographic group

and no other. White men have simply had enough of this, he's saying. So he's speaking up for all white men. Thanks, buddy Well, my three about my three-year-old that would work there Can my fear three-year-old finally stop complaining or you know would make that a good article? What can everybody finally stop complaining? Yes, suddenly that's a great fucking article. It's a great article useful article I think yeah, but it yeah when you start

doing that, then what you've done, and dude, I mean, I texted you about it, because I love this Martyr Made podcast so much. This is- It's really good. He really like keeps pointing out this tendency in humanity to single out some group

to make the scapegoat. Yeah, and so once you do that, Yes. To make the scapegoat. Yeah. And so once you do that, then there's this purgative effect that happens for the culture. Everything's... So first though, you have to have a general sense everything's wrong. Well, everything's kind of fucked up. Okay. Everything's kind of fucked up right now. Eggs cost too much.

The fucking housing market's fucked up. Everything's topsy-turvy Things are weird drones everywhere and we just Experienced something for and we still are the imminent possibility of a nuclear holocaust Is closer than it was in the 90s at least at least it feels like that So something's off here. Now, what could it be? Well, it must be white men. You know? So let's get rid of them. And then he makes this really brilliant point, which is like,

if we could push this to the conclusion that successful dictators push this sort of thing too. What do we do? I mean, it's like, man, listen, the man's spreading and the man's planning ain't funny anymore. We're gonna fucking start arresting you motherfuckers. We start scooping them up, right?

Now there's allies out there. We're gonna leave them. They can still be okay. A few of them might actually accidentally get burnt in the purge. But then what happens is the coalescing of all the other people who have bought into those obviously white men, they now experience harmony. They're working together suddenly.

It's like, yeah, you're you're black, you're Chinese, but you're all women. And if you're men, you're not white. Women and and if you're men, you're not white and in in that collaborative Mutual activity a real community emerges and Once you've burned out all the white men or as many as you can there is a period of peace This is all from his podcast Showing we were right. It was the white men, but it wasn't the white men. It was that you guys all worked together, or ladies worked together to make this happen. You guys experienced the harmony of war,

which is the greatest tragedy of war, is the camaraderie, the opportunity for heroism. And so this bullshit that's happening right now, you just gotta follow it all the way upstream, if you ask me, and ask yourself, if you're an offended person right now, just getting your fucking type and finger ready for my subreddit.

Just ask yourself if your views lead to peace, or if your views lead to disharmony ultimately, and if they don't lead to peace, if there's some anger in you or contempt or fear, then it might be that your view of things isn't in line with what you think your ethics are. That's all. And that creates a lot of internal problems for people. We want the math to work out inside. Well, I also think the group think was enforced during the COVID times in a way that, you know, if you're a 40 year old man, it's more than a tenth of your life. So more than a tenth

of your life and the most recent part of your life and the time of your life where you felt the most vulnerable. So you're probably the most susceptible to picking up traits and opinions and ideas. That time is the most recent and just passed, and there's so many people, because of that time, that became very compliant and less likely to question any narrative, And just kind of scared for stability in things. Yeah. You know, like the stability, like if you're a person,

let's say 2020 rolls around, you're working in a restaurant. And all of a sudden, the restaurant business in LA fucking tanks. They lose 70% of their restaurants. You know that? 70%. Jesus Christ. Yeah. So it's insane. In the year and a half when everything is fucking completely closed

down and you're a hyper-liberal and now you're on food stamps or whatever and you're trying to find a place to live and you're trying to find some sort of another job but there's no food service jobs, nothing's open. And then finally you get your feet back under you. You're probably 20, 30, $50,000 in debt, you ran your credit cards up, you lost everything, probably got your car repossessed. And then here you are a couple years later on Twitter,

and you're supporting Ukraine. Like what, and you're mad at people that aren't supporting Ukraine. Is this like really what's going on? Or are you are you signaling to the team that you don't want to get hit again? You're a good boy. You're you're on board right board with this. I'm not one of those bad guys Those guys are fucking pieces of shit. Yeah, you should fucking cast them out, Right. The cowards. Right. The real cowards. The cowards that have every right to be afraid. They've gone through the worst thing of their life.

In their life, that's the worst thing that's ever happened. They lost everything, and then they come out of this a few years later real shaky with a job that has crazy DEI rules. And you have to be super fucking compliant with all their nonsense. you have to sit in meetings You know one of the things that they're finding out is that this woke shit had gotten into the NSA Oh, yeah

You see those reports where they were saying that these NSA people had to like they were going through meetings constantly on diversity equity Yeah, it's of Ness and they had all these people that had like infiltrated the organization, right? It's like it's everywhere. Well. It gets everywhere when. Yeah. It did go every, I mean well, I mean that is the function. I mean that's how it works. It's really quite brilliant by the way.

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they have ruined some really good words. Like, diversity, that's good. That's good in any biome, that's good. Equity, fuck yeah, that's good. If I'm like, we're playing Monopoly, I don't want you to start with more money if we're playing some game equities good That's how could that be bad equity in the company's good. You work hard for the company get equity equity is good Yeah, fucking inclusivity is great. It's like be bad, dude

Trust me you think I got picked first for sports when I was in fucking high school or true No, I but I liked it when I got included. It felt good. These are good things, fundamentally good things. But because the way these things have been imposed, spoken about, has a gun behind the back, right? It's like, you better be fucking inclusive, motherfucker. There's a gun. Now, that gun might not literally be a gun. That gun might be like you were saying earlier, your job. You want to be fucking included in this group of creatives, then

you better be inclusive or we won't include you motherfucker. And so then all of a sudden these words, the importance of them in any conversation about how to make the world good and how to just have a fun time mentioning them at all completely makes at least half the country cringe. Because they think they're about to get a corrective ear beating. They think they're going to get talked down to. They think they're about to get a corrective ear beating. They think they're going to get talked down to. They think they're going to get lectured. They think they're going to get this implicit sort of messaging that you're a bigot and I'm going to fix you.

And no one likes to be fixed. And so it's created a Pavlovian response to words that are like an implicit part of humanism. And that is if you really really wanna get into like, if I was Satan, let me take the actual words that you would need to sort of articulate a possible version of the world that's less fucked up. And let me make it so just the utterance of these words makes people think you are aligned with a group of People that don't have good intention

now you Linguistically you've removed from the lexicon Crucial like it's like taking numbers out of math. You can't even say it anymore You have made it so diversity, equity, inclusion. Most people when they hear that shit, they're like, god damn it. Isn't that crazy? It's awful.

It's awful. And it's sad. Because, and woke, you know, Ram Dass always used to talk about waking up. You gotta wake up. Every moment of your life should be to wake up. Like, get- Well that was the original meaning of it.

Yes! With black people. It was an African American saying. It was theirs first, white people ruined it. It was theirs first. They used to talk being woke was being aware of what the fuck is going on. Fuck yeah. Which was a great thing. The word gets used- It was a good word.

The classic story Buddha post-enlightenment, walking down the road. Some people run into him. He's just like gained pure realization. He's an enlightened being. Radiant. You know, he's like, no one's ever seen anyone like this before.

There's something about him that's just fucking crazy. They're like, what? Are you? Are you an angel? He's like, no, are you, are you an angel? He's like, no, are you a God? No, what are you? And he's like, I'm awake. And, cause he'd woken up from the,

from the sort of habitual configuration that most people call their personality, he'd gained true liberation. And so again- That's a great way to put it. Awake. No, the habitual configuration. That's it. It's just a set of habits that people say is me. Right, and you throw them on because

they're comforting. You don't even know you've thrown them on. They're even more insidious than that. It's so... I mean, we think about the way you move your hands or move your, you know, It's so, I mean, when you think about the way you move your hands, or move your, you know, everything. Huge. Huge. I can't do a Trump impression. And I- It's hard. Why is it so hard?

It's a weird voice. What is it? He just has a way. I don't have a good one. That's not bad. I don't have a good one. I have to listen to him, and I can kind of get it, but Shane Gillis has got it dead.

Dead on. Dead to rights. Dead on. Yeah, you know who is the best impression impersonator who doesn't get nearly enough credit Yeah, and maybe one of the funniest people alive down and Kyle done again. Yes, yeah, I'll done again His fucking impressions are so good. So good. They're so good. They're crazy. Yeah, and then when they're not good They're so preposterous that they're hilarious. Yes, like when he does Caitlyn Jenner, it's not like the best, but it's so preposterous, it's hilarious. I think he gets, he doesn't get nearly enough credit. Something about him, whatever level of the spectrum he's on, that doesn't knock up with

people. His fucking Instagram is some of the funniest shit that's available online. I know. People need to check out Kyle Donaghan. What the fuck? Yeah, what the fuck, people? What the fuck?! He's so funny on Kill Tony, too. Dude, the impressionist? Yeah, oh my god.

Isn't it creepy though when they- His Bill Maher is amazing. It's creepy though when they do it to your face. And like, they're really good at it. And you kind of feel like they stole your soul. Like, they shape-shift into you Oh, like when they do a version of you. Yeah, who's done about who's does the best Duncan? Well, it ain't hard to do is it like every time everybody does some right

Yeah You know, Jeff Richards does have really good impressions, dude. He's done it to me. But you know, here's a crazy story. So Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, great Buddhist teacher, controversial Buddhist teacher, Tulkoo is what they call them. They're reincarnated where they find the kid

who is like a reincarnation of somebody and they take him to the monasteries and they train them, the reincarnated, where they find the kid who is like a reincarnation of somebody and they take him to the monasteries and they train them for years. So they have this intense, deep training from birth that most people like you can't get to if you start even in your 20s, you know? And so he, Joni Mitchell, Joni Mitchell like was an alcoholic, she had had some encounter with him that was positive and she wanted to quit drinking. So she went to him to try to get off the booze.

And she says that he turned into her, that he was looking at her. He turned into Joni Mitchell in front of her, but a happy version of her. And something about seeing herself happy, like just seeing that's what this is what you would look like if you weren't drinking. Wow.

Got her off the booze. She wrote a song about it. Whoa. Isn't that wild? Dude, he didn't even really say anything. It is wild. He just like shifted in front of her. That shit is really cool, man.

She was one of the people that pulled her music from Spotify because of me. Dude, why'd you do it? They get old and they get scared. And then they've been accustomed their whole life to believing the mainstream news. The mainstream news is the news. I know, it's sad.

It's sad, cause I fucking love Neil Young and I love Joni Mitchell. And it's like, there's a few sad levels to it. There's a few sad levels. The saddest level is the fear because it's ignorance of what's actually going on and then making this big public stance when you're not correctly informed and then the fact that the underlying thing is you know you're dying soon and that thing could take you out. It's a different fear. It's a different fear when you're 75 years old and COVID's coming around. You know, I saw it with my parents.

I've seen it with a lot of people. They become unreasonable. They get, their anxiety overwhelms them. COVID is their whole life. It became people's whole life for some people for years, man. I was just watching this live town hall meeting somewhere. I forget where it was, but these people were double masked. Like double masked with a pride flag mask in 2025.

It was from February. Dude. Well, look, man, I mean, this is where, like, I think you gotta get back in. We gotta win those words back. Well, look, man, I mean, this is where, like, I think you gotta get back in. We gotta win those words back. Well, we can win the words back, but the real damage comes when people that were already very fragile got ruined.

And the challenge of rising from the ashes is so much greater than the challenge of maintaining and sort of constantly progressing your life to the point where you feel good and things are good. You got good friends, you got a good family. I got my shit together. It took me 42 years, but I got my shit together. That kind of state. Once you've crashed out and you're an adult, and maybe you're an adult in your 50s,

it's fucking real hard to bounce back. It's real hard, because you don't have any energy anymore. You're not a rebel anymore. You don't have prospects. You don't have a maybe I'll travel the country. You don't have that anymore. You gave up on that because your body got too frail. Dude, you know, what I think's fascinating about you

is that, you know, when you're talking about that, when you're making a very accurate description of, you know, a group of people, not just the old either, I mean, a lot of people with young bodies have crashed out too. Oh, yeah. And, you know, someone who has been singularly attacked, and people have tried to destroy your life multiple times,

ruin your family, like, you know, really destroy you. They'd be happy if you were in jail. They'd be happy if you died. They'd be happy if you died. There would be a lot of like, I'm not gonna ruin your joke. You have a very funny joke about the COVID vaccine. It's so fucking funny.

But when I see you describing it, there's no anger. There seems to be compassion. And there isn't like, a lot of people after going through like the shit that you have, just for being yourself, would be bitter. They wouldn't be saying they're old, they, you know, they wouldn't be saying it in a way they, you know, they wouldn't be saying it in this, in a way that like, is maybe like, a little too descriptive,

but there isn't any kind of... Malice. Malice. And so to me, that's really interesting about you. And I wish, you know, I think that must be a little off-putting for people. And like, if people like Joni Mitchell, instead of just being like, all right, take my music off Spotify

Where are my cigarettes or like? Call him Will he talk to me? What's he like? Who is this dude? Right and then talk to you then I think they would realize they already have met people like you in the 60s they've met people like you who like came on the scene and made positive changes and they would realize that the methodology of activism where there was a monolithic force to protest against that was obvious and clear has become diffused. There isn't some central locus of evil anymore that rather the thing has become more of a psychic issue, a kind

of universal malady in which fear has distorted reality in people's minds. And there's a, people are really pulling the trigger fast before they get all the data. How do you protest that? What do you boycott for that level of confusion? How do you boycott confusion? And that, to me, is the sort of tragic nature of it, is a lot of the people I love and still do who decided to use you as the scapegoat for a deeper problem would love you

if they hung out with you, and they would realize he's not a Nazi at all. What the fuck? And then they'd have to deal with that realization. Maybe that's another facet of getting old. Things get blurry. I think if you get to a large prominent position in the public eye, you have a certain responsibility

that I don't always live up to of maintaining a higher standard of thinking and behaving towards other people. Because your effect on other people is magnified. It's not just your voice to another person. It's your voice to millions of people. And if you're talking about a specific person, even if I get mad, the people that I get mad at to this day, that I get mad at currently this day that are there that I get mad at currently

our current Propagandists who also have the same sort of ability I don't attack people who don't have the same ability if I attack Don Lemon when he's on CNN Yes, that's a person who has the exact same platform the exact same ability That's a person who has the exact same platform, the exact same ability to spread things out and have them become viral and publicly and have an impact. Maybe not as big of an impact, but big enough, big enough that I'll attack you.

Because I'll just attack the preposterousness of you being a voice of reason, because it doesn't make any sense, and then I'll expand. I'll expand on why I think about the way I think. But you can't carry hate around in you. doesn't help you it only fucks you up It doesn't do any good and you don't have to people will tell you you have to you have to be angry You have to get your revenge You don't have to

That's not true. You don't have enough time. There's not enough time in this life You shouldn't waste time on things that you don't want to be engaged in. And one of the big ones is conflict. When I see people engaging in conflict online, let's just talk about the comedy community. It is almost exclusively people who have a voice, who are not as successful as some other person they disagree with.

Coincidence. Just a coincidence. This is another person selling out arenas. Just a coincidence this guy has giant movies. Just a coincidence he has the number one special on Netflix. Whoever this person is you're attacking currently. Just a coincidence they happen to be killing it. Just a coincidence.

Just a coincidence. I don't like the way they do something. I don't like this thing. Yeah. They make me feel bad. Because here's something that people need to recognize about successful people. And it's one of the reasons why successful people have

a greater responsibility. When you see a successful person, people are competitive. They compare themselves to that person, and they feel bad. When you feel bad, you think you feel bad because that person's bad, that person's done something. But really the bad is, I wish I was Matt Reif. You know what I mean?

I wish I was selling out arenas. I wish I was doing this, and I'll find something wrong about his success and wrong about his approach Could because he makes me feel bad right? That's why they do it right? Which is why I don't ever attack someone who's not doing as good as me right? Or I don't attack anybody unless they attack me first right I'm not interested I'll talk some shit, but I mean it with fun right kindness All right, you know I'm talking shit about somebody and they get offended. I would always apologize. Yes. I'm sorry

I didn't mean that I'm just talking shit. Yeah, a couple of drinks. Yes, right. Sorry. I love you Yeah, but genuinely like genuinely do I know I there's no room for hate man. There's no time. Yeah, not good for you and When'd you figure that out? Over time I don't think there was a day that I woke up I figured it out but there was a slow progression of realizing. One of the big ones that I realized when I was 21, I was doing stand up at an open mic and I went up and I did really good and I was hoping the guy who went after me bombed. And then I remember thinking, what a bitch ass thought that is.

And I realized that this was like sort of the same feelings that I dealt with in martial arts competition. In martial arts competition, when I would see somebody really good, I would hope that they would get knocked out so that I didn't have to fight them. You know, like, oh, I hope this guy gets knocked I know because like you'd fight like multiple times in a day Yeah, I hope this guy gets fucking head kicked. Yeah, I have to fight him. Yeah, I hope he fails Yeah, and then I realized that That is not only is it not doesn't help at all

It's uh you don't respect yourself when you think like that you don't feel warrior, right? Which you cannot be a warrior unless you think and behave like a warrior Yeah, it just you won't if you fight someone who's really good if you if you get to a point where you're really good You fight someone's really good you better be all in on this thing You're doing because if you're not they're going to be and if you have any bitch in you Bitching you in the way you think yeah bitching you in the way be and if you have any bitch in you bitching you in the way you think yeah bitching you in the way you hate you know if you've got something about yourself that you don't respect it'll come up when you're hurt oh yeah it'll pop up when you're tired absolutely yeah yes and so I had already applied that in

martial arts I sort of applied that through Miyamoto Musashi and you know reading books on psychology and sports psychology and having really good trainers who competed before like one of my main instructors Michael O'Malley was a multiple time national champion and it's just fierce competitor. He like you know instilled in me how to be a fierce competitor. But that when I realized in comedy, I'm like, oh my god, I'm hoping other people fail, instead of being inspired by them. Instead of when I see someone better than me going,

oh my god, I got to work harder. I got to get better. And so I got real, I'll remember the day when that happened, man. I was 21 years old. I was at Nick's Comedy Stop. I remember the day, because I remember it was like an aha moment like oh not today Satan

that's like not today Satan not today Satan yeah so from then on I became the opposite I became a supporter of comedians and I said no the way to do it right it's just everybody work hard together and all build off of each other and all help each other and then be happy when your friends succeed. Like instead of saying, like I had a friend of mine who was an actor. By the way, I'm sorry to do this. I don't mean to ambush you, dude.

But you do know you basically just quoted Hitler. How so? That's what Hitler said. What'd he say? Have you not read Mein Kampf? I'm sure you have. I haven't. I'm just kidding, Hitler didn't say any of that shit. I was saying, what part did Hitler say? What part did Hitler say of that? What do you say if you not read mine calm from sure you have it?

What part did he say that I had a buddy mine was an actor and he got this part. I think it was in a movie It was good, you know good little small part. He was real excited and his girlfriend start crying and She said when is something gonna happen for me God that was her response by the way He they were like early 20s. I think he was 24 25 big old handsome man Jesus dude, that's so dark. I think about that guy sometimes cuz I was I was on a show with him one day just Bit part on a show and I was like this guy's gonna be a movie star Big fucking handsome man. Yeah seems real friendly. Yeah, nice like that guy could be an action movie star something

nothing All went away not a bad actor either Nothing, but I remember him telling me he's like she started crying man, and I was like no he goes yes She was crying saying when is it gonna happen to me, so I don't know what to do And I was like I'm captain fucking jettison. I'm captain fucking pull the parachute That's me if you come to me with some fucking stuff by the time it gets to me if you're complaining to me I'm gonna help you get out of that relationship. So I was like, dude, you gotta bail out. You gotta fuckin' bail.

You gotta bail now. You can't fix that, girl. No kids. No, no kids. They were young. Did he bail? Yes, he did. Yes, he did.

I think he was bailing while we were working together. I think that was the thing that made him bail. I think he just couldn't take it anymore. That's so fucked up. But she's pretty hot. She's pretty hot. Dude, I wouldn't have bailed. She had the heavies. I'm sure I'd be like, I don't take it anymore. That's so fucked up. She's pretty hot. She's pretty hot. Dude, I wouldn't have bailed. She had the heavies.

I'm sure I'd be like, I don't understand her joke. I think she had natural heavies. Natural heavies! It's worth it! She's pretty hot. That's the problem too, is that your genes trick you. Great symmetry and sensuality. You mistake for compatibility.

Because in those brief moments when you're naked Which is like what percentage of the day very naked with that lady's very very pretty small Yeah, if you think about like your whole even if you live with somebody if you're 365 days a year with that person How often are you like naked touching each other? What's like if it's 10% you have the craziest relationship of all time? Yeah, you guys are just horn dogs your horn dog, right? So 90 percent of your life is living in hell. With a dummy. With a dummy who is entitled, who wants your money.

They deserve your money because they fuck you. Yeah. Yeah. That's a lot of guys out there. That's the old quote. Most men live lives of quiet desperation. That is so goddamn true. Yeah, it's true. Because it's hard. It's hard to not be in desperation. It's difficult. If you're not doing something

difficult on top of life, I don't think you ever get free. I really don't. Whether that difficulty is meditation or yoga or being an author. I think there's a certain amount of struggle, like a certain amount of task-oriented, focused, mission-driven struggle that every human being needs. I think if you don't have that, you just become this sedentary ball of cells. Yeah, that just exists Based on whatever inputs coming in could see you never but you're never stable You never just you you're always you were never no one is ever just you right? You are new you're you with your environment if you were in fucking Keef right now. You'd be a different you Yes, you know you're you you, there's a lot of factors

that go into what you are. But if you're living in fucking America in 2025, where everybody, even poor people are fat, so everybody gets, and there's no starving, right? And you're freaking out about what? Like, what are you freaking? How would- Climate change. Yeah, climate change is the best one.

How would you make it in any other environment? You wouldn't. You wouldn't. You're a side effect of comfort. You're a side effect of a comfortable environment. Dude, that, my friend, is the description of Satan. You see, this is what I've been thinking, man. It's like, oh, fuck.

What has happened is that whatever you want to call it, people used to call it the system, the system has convinced a great many people not to be perturbed by the sort of normal things that other people would be perturbed by the sort of normal things that other people would be perturbed by. For example, if you were, let's say, living in a place and it caught on fire every year and then it started catching on fire even more than usual, and I'm saying a long time ago, you would gather your people together and say, the place is catching on fire all the time now. We should leave.

And you would leave to a place that wasn't catching on fire all the time. And yet there's places all over the world right now that catch on fire regularly. We used to live in one. Literally. And people stay, they stay. Now you can, they don't just stay, they've got very expensive houses in places

that catch on fire frequently, but they stay. Now, if you were to go back in time and tell someone, I want to tell you the story of the man who lived on a hill in a very nice castle, but every year the area around the hill would catch on fire. Dragons would come. Dragons would come and burn down the hill. But the man decided to stay in his castle. They would be like, so a story of a fool. But now, people stay. But even- What would be the difference

between your house catching on fire because of an unbelievable firestorm or dragons? Wouldn't an unbelievable firestorm, like what consumed the palisades be more terrifying than a dragon Theoretically be easier to take out the dragon. You know big big fucking areas. Yeah, they get them sometimes they get the catapult They fucking launch it out. Take it out. Yeah, they get the giant crossbow They shoot the bolt through the the dragon's heart. It's a dragon made of a bad combination of things. But what i'm saying is So but those people living in that place,

you know, this is a very common thing. I was watching the, what was it, Oscars last night? Is that what it is? Who hosted that, Jamie? He did great. Conan did it? Oh, that's great. Oh my God. He's the perfect host for something like that. He killed it. It was so funny and silly, but, That's great. You know, inevitably someone, this is someone who is receiving the highest honor for a fucking great film they made surrounded by probably just the perfume alone in that place

is worth a million dollars, and hailing wafts of foie gras farts. The farts, if you could quantify how much those farts were worth in meals. They get up there to accept their award and they're just like, you know, I guess this is a bright light in these dark times. And it's like, dude, how are you saying that? Look at you!

Look at the clothes you're wearing! Look at your surroundings! And if the times are so dark, why aren't you out there? Why are you up here smelling fucking billionaire farts and taking an award? You need to be out. Do shit if it's real. But what I'm saying is because of the system, the system has gotten people very fixated on data and the data is numbers and the numbers come from the rectangles and the rectangles

are in their very nice houses. So those numbers, if they're the wrong configuration of numbers, too much red, not enough blue. If those numbers are off, even though they have food, shelter, they have health, they're not okay. And so they stop caring about the shit you're talking about, the basic fundamentals. Like, are you making sure that you know how to do stuff that will keep you alive if things don't work anymore for real? And they're not.

And that means that they're sheep to the slaughter. They're getting unhealthy, they're eating bad food, and they're stressing themselves out by the hypno rectangles and they're de-skilled. That's the anarchist term, de-skilled. They've become de-skilled. And so what that means is when the lights go out, they're dead. Like for sure dead. Like that's the great die-off will happen because nature is, like in that case, nature is not kind of things that are unhealthy when a survival situation emerges. they are fucking dead and the reason they're dead is

Idolatry they prayed at the altar of the state They prayed to the state instead of praying at the altar of nature. They worship false idols Yes, and when you worship false idols, God doesn't like that And if you take that as a Worshipping false idols being, if you really are upset right now like you can't feel good and you can't make yourself exercise and you can't get healthy because the state Isn't aligned in the configuration you think it should be Dude you and so all of your posturing is is aligning with the state instead of aligning with nature and

getting healthy regardless of the configuration of the state apparatus. Get healthy. Get fucking healthy. That's what the real communists would do. They would get good. They would get good at shit for real. Another thing I took from Martyr Made, he was talking about the old school communists versus the new communists. The old school communists were scary like

they were scary they would go in the factories and like the first of all just to get in the communist party was hard it was underground so if you finally met the communists they you'd be like do what do i quit my fucking bougie job you ever see peaky blinders no yeah big part of peaky blind it's fucking great series, by the way. I'll check it out. It's fantastic Cyril Murphy is the the head guy, you know that guy from Oppenheimer? Okay. Yeah sure. He's amazing He was in 28 Days Later, too. That guy's amazing. He plays this gangster and They run factories. They have gin factories. Yeah, and factories. And they have uprisings, it's a communist party. And his fucking sister, spoiler alert, is a communist.

Yeah, and you get it, and you see, and they're kind of right. Back then, they're right. These people are treated like shit, they're abused. These are the rebels. These are the rebels that want a fair wage. And they want food on the table, and they want to be secure. And these greedy fucks are working them to death, that want a fair wage and they want food on the table and they want to be secure.

These greedy fucks are working them to death and then there's riots and people get shot and killed because people don't want to pay more money. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the idea was, at least according to this podcast, is that they would say, don't quit your job. Go into the factory and become the best worker in the factory.

Learn everything, but make it so that when people find out you're a communist, they associate communism with being fucking powerful and good and then quit. Get a whole fucking trained team of industrialist communists in your factory that are making, now it's making tons of money. Yeah boss I'll be in late no problem and then one day they don't show up. That's communism. That's fucking powerful dude and really

disruptive. So but what you're saying this and you know not I don't have a central message. You know what I mean? But one thing- Who would listen to it? Yeah. But one thing that you do, like if you do wanna sort of like come up with like an antagonist network that is a distortion machine,

the shit you're talking about is transcendent to the state. The shit you're talking about is transcendent to the state. It doesn't matter who the fucking, you know, who the president is. You can do push-ups. It doesn't matter what laws have been passed regarding access to hormones. You can do sit-ups. It doesn't matter. There's a fundamental sort of freedom within even perceived constraints

where you can start getting really strong and healthy, and even those constraints make you stronger via resistance. And so the thing that you talk about, I think it does threaten, if there was a personality to entropy, it's a threat to that. You don't want people to feel like they can follow an internal compass towards some better life. You want them to feel like the compass should be the state, the compass should be the eye

on top of the pyramid, not what's in your heart. How can you be happy when people are dying in Ukraine? You can't. You can't be happy. How can you be happy when we're at climate change war right now? Powerful SSRIs. How dare you?

You can't. Powerful SSRIs. How can you be happy when people don't get access to powerful SSRIs? How can you be happy when people don't get access to powerful SSRIs? You must be honest! How can you be happy when children can't get castrated if they want to be? Dude. How can you be happy without gender-affirming care?

You can't be. You can't be happy. So you never leave the grasp of the state. You never have personal sovereignty. Or the zeitgeist, you know, I mean, I say the state as a lazy term for something, and I think it's sadly more diffused in the culture. I don't know what it is.

It's some kind of like spirit, but I just always, like, it's just good. I, you know, like when you're talking about like, that bitterness you feel at the success of others, which if you're a comic, you have felt that. And if you say you haven't, you're a liar. But that you either realize how bad that feels. That's like having an infection. It feels so bad.

It feels so gross. And, and, it is an infection. You either realize that, and it's not like you can change that all at once, by the way, but you just realize, oh shit, that's, that's not a good, Right. That's not a good, if I continue to feel this through my whole life,

I'm gonna get bitter and shitty. That's important when you just said too, that you can't fix it all at once. No, no, you can, you can actually, well this is sort of an, in Buddhism the idea isn't to fix it in fact, the No, no. You can actually, well this is sort of, in Buddhism the idea isn't to fix it in fact. The idea is to acknowledge it.

The idea is to just accept, yeah that's part of you, but it's not all of you. So that there doesn't become a, like you're not at war with yourself. Well also there's a part of you that you don't like, is that really you? Like when that thing comes up, you don't agree with that thing,

but it's like there's extenuating circumstances that led you to think and behave in a certain way, and then you were deeply disappointed in yourself. So when you look at that, like, is that you? Because you kind of rejected your acts and your thinking and your speech. You were like, ugh, why was I such a cunt? Yeah.

You are like that. You're saying that. So like, is that you? Or is that a thing that you found yourself to be vulnerable to getting out of character? Because you face something that's extraordinarily annoying, extraordinarily stressful, whatever it is that caused you to act out of character. That's not what you want. It's not in a line. So you have to learn the feeling of that, how it sucks, and then hopefully you remember next time you hit a heightened

state of annoyance. Hopefully you remember. Right. And you keep your shit together. I mean, the next question, it would be, okay, well, if there is something within yourself that you like, is that you? Right. well, I think if there's something within you that you like, you probably like what that thing is in terms of like, is that thing love? Do I like when I really go to like see a film that I enjoy and I love it, I'm a movie fan? Huh, like that's not me, but I'm getting love. I'm a movie fan. That's not me but I'm

getting love I'm getting something I'm getting entertained. I love that. When you hear good music, when you see good comedy, there's love right? You get you get it you're in it you're like ah this is amazing. It's an overload experience your senses are overloaded there. You're experiencing something that you love if you Accomplish something that was very difficult and you realize like wow I put off Grat it, you know I I I put off I delayed gratification I put off all the things that I wanted to do in the moment For things that I wanted in the future and it paid off. So I know that this very complicated puzzle is solvable.

Like winning a game of chess. Yeah, it's really a moment to moment sort of thing. And like that, oh God, that bitch that you're talking about that lives within all of us and takes high naps. Conquer your inner bitch. That is, that bitch thing. It's really interesting. And I think when you're a parent,

you discover this part of yourself that you didn't even know was there maybe, which is really steel. Like, you know, you, you're, I think if you're a martial artist from a young age, you encounter it sooner, but you realize there's this part of you that's like, and because there's no choice. The baby's up at 4 a.m., you're tired as shit.

What are you gonna do? Go back to sleep? Let the baby cry and cry and cry. You get up. You get up. And you gotta get the kids to school. Right. Doesn't matter.

You wanna fuckin' play Kingdom Come Deliverance 2, great game. You gotta get the kids You know you discover this thing in you That seems to be impervious to the compulsion of what you call the inner bitch. You discover this thing It's like yeah, I'm just gonna do it anyway. And every time you act on that thing, you, something, that's when a real shift starts happening. Like, because you-

You develop character. You, yeah, and it's, and I think to get back to what we were talking about earlier about this group of people who just went through a fucking pandemic, this group of people who has experienced insane propaganda at a level never experienced this group of people who has experienced insane propaganda at a level never experienced in all of human history,

this group of people that I think legitimately has something in them that wants the world to be better, but that thing has been hijacked. Right. I think like, you know, what sucks that I see on the left is the left's rejection permanently of people who've uttered the wrong sentence.

And when I see that emerging in the right, which you don't have, but which you see this sort of like, fuck them. I think that is a terrible strategy. I think like what you are putting out there is actual Thank God forgive me for saying this This is gonna piss a lot of people off Dei which is like the the sort of you're telling people listen, I don't care Who you are a lot of times what you've done to me,

I don't care you tried to cancel me. I don't care. But here's something I figured out. Try it out. That to me is really quite beautiful and a good strategy because especially if your goal is actual compassion, not idiot compassion, if your goal is actually progression, meaning let's evolve humanity more. is actual compassion, not idiot compassion. If your goal is actually progression,

meaning let's evolve humanity more. Let's fucking, let's get to that, whatever they call it, type A civilization. Let's figure out a way to become intergalactic. Let's fucking do it. I think that you have to come up with something transcendent to the zeitgeist that is currently existing,

and there has to be massive inclusivity and forgiveness. Which is like, dude, okay, did you try to destroy my entire family by, on like the news, calling me a Nazi? Did you try to ruin my whole life? Would you have liked it if I had gone to jail? Yeah, but you were brainwashed. You were fucking brainwashed like everybody else.

You got propagandized to the max. And then from there, reached down into that fucking pit and see how many people you could pull out, not because you wanna bread pill people or make people into conservatives, but because it's like, dude, just dust yourself off. Which of us have not gotten in a cult? Which of us have not been tricked

by some symmetrical person into believing some bullshit? Which of us have not gotten in a cult? Which of us have not been tricked by some symmetrical person into believing some bullshit? Which of us have not fallen prey to some scam? We all have. I know what that's like. You know what that's like. It's like, and to me, that's sort of the general open-heartedness that needs to be in the world across the board.

Across the board. Yeah, it's Christianity. Praise Jesus. Praise Jesus! It really is. It is! Christians are some of the most forgiving people I've ever met, like real Christians. Isn't it beautiful? Yeah, real Christians are beautiful.

The ideas are beautiful, and they're applicable to your life. It'll make your life better. But you get better the more you struggle and the more complicated situations you face in your life that require deep thinking and objectivity and character. The more you encounter moments where you need character, the more your character develops. And there's just too many people that took the first exit on the road to character and just you know got an apartment. Yeah. And that's real. And that's a lot

of people and they don't want to admit that and they're very vocal about it. Some of the most vocal people online that are complaining all day are, forgive me, losers. You're cowards and losers. That's most of the reason why you're spending your day railing about other people and screaming into the abyss all day. You haven't done what you want to do with your life. Your experience has not been maximized. with your life. Your experience has not been maximized. You didn't pan out. You didn't find the thing that you loved and find the people that you loved and find the tribe that you loved and develop this sort of understanding of human beings. What's really important is camaraderie. What's really important is love and community. That's what's really important.

And the idea that half of the country is supposed to be your enemy is one of the dumbest scams that anybody's ever pulled off on anybody. We were supposed to be a big community. Like if you're in a neighborhood, so let's say you live in the woods and there's only four houses in your neighborhood. There's just four houses. You got to be friends with those guys. Yes.

I know Barney over there is a big drunk and he likes to shoot his guns, but just tell him don't point it at the house and let's get friends with Barney. And hey, maybe I can help Barney get rid of that stump. Maybe I can bring my truck and latch a line to the stump and maybe he can dig it. Maybe Tom's got some dynamite we can get that stump out of there for Barney. And we're all work together because I'm going to talk to Barney because Barney's not vaccinated. Yeah.

When people that's one of the things that I find that this behavior erupts far more often in large population centers is because people become a burden. You appreciate people when there's not as many around Right and it's it's it's alright. There seems to be a direct correlation Like there's bad people in small towns don't get me wrong There's just shit There's people that just got a shit roll of the dice in life and life has been fucking them over and then in and out of

Jail and they happen to live in a small town But there's always gonna be a percentage of people whose lives are fucked life is not fair at all But the less of you the more you appreciate the good ones right and I think it's one of the most beautiful things about Austin It's really the perfect size where it is a city It has all the things you need from a city, but it's not too big where people are really in the way Yeah in Los Angeles you could lose half the people and people would be like, great, now I can get on the 405.

Dude, I mean, that was one of the coolest things about that quarantine. Remember when the air got clean because people weren't driving? All of a sudden it's like, it smelled so good. And you could get anywhere in 20 minutes. It was insane. It was like Austin for a second.

I mean, that was a real joke. Ian Edwards has a great joke about it. What? I don't wanna fuck it up. Oh, don't fuck it up, yeah. He might like Austin for a second. I mean, that was a real joke. Ian Edwards has a great joke about it. What? I don't want to fuck it up. Oh, don't fuck it up, yeah. He might put it on a special, but it's a really funny joke about driving around during the pandemic.

Oh, the best, the best. Yeah. Dude, well, you know, ma'am, to me, I have to ask this, this is the last question. We are running out of time. I know you have a hard hour. No, I don't have really. I've got like an hour. Then let me ask you this. Okay. This is the last question we are on that time. I know you have a hard out This is a lot. I don't know you don't okay an hour then let me ask you this. Okay, it's a difficult question But I'm very curious about this

one You know, I like analyzing things by what I don't know right like but also, you know So that's really interesting you can kind of get some form You can work out a form by what you don't see as much as you can. It's actually a style of drawing someone told me about which is like instead of trying to draw the thing, just draw the negative space around it and the thing will appear in the negative space. It's like if you're having problems drawing, that's a great way to figure out how to draw. But, so,

here's what I know about you, is that you now have unprecedented access to some of the most powerful people on planet Earth. And I know what that's kind of like to have access to powerful people. I know every once in a while they like tell you shit that you can't believe So here's my question if Via your unprecedented access to so many powerful interesting people Somebody told you some crazy shit that was real Would you tell me yep, all right percent you be first guy I call I

Would you tell me yep? 100% you be the first guy I call I tell you leave your phone at home and meet me in the woods We would go for a stroll I would pick you up in one of my cars. It doesn't have GPS Leave your leave our phones at your house, so we go for a ride and I tell you everything. Damn it! Well that is one incredible news and also very disappointing. Fuck! Yeah, I don't know anything.

Yeah, people think I know things because I'm friends with Mike Baker. Of course! Or because I've met Trump. No, I don't know anything. And in fact I think I know less. Because I think there's a lot of people online that just spend their whole day trying to figure out what's really going on in the world.

I'm not one of those guys. So I know less than most people. I can't. It's overwhelming. I get sad. I get angry. Right. Just the Ukraine thing.

Every now and then when I read about the history of Ukraine, I get upset. I'll be like, what do they do to those fucking poor people? Just from the 2014 coup to the Burisma thing, and just like, oh, fuck. It just seems hard. And NATO, the whole thing just seems like, God damn it. But there's people that all day long, they're digging into that.

Like Dave Smith, he's the best at it. He's just like constantly reading books on these things. And he is an insane recall. He can just spit out information. He knows more than I do. No one tells me anything, dude. First of all, I'm a blabbermouth. I literally talk for a living.

They're not gonna tell me that. And then I think also I deal with people telling me things that aren't true. I think that happens. I think that happens quite a bit. Maybe not even privately, but publicly. I think there's a lot, I think people probably, if I had a guess, because I would do this

if I was running a government, I'd send people in to go talk to Joe Rogan and say some nonsense. I would do that sure of course He's nice. He's gonna talk to you. He's not gonna be mean to you. Yeah, like which which is like Look at this head! You want this to be your head? You want to have to go to a barber and get your fucking head shaved off and everywhere you go people wonder is he a Nazi or Hare Krishna? Is that how you want to live your life? Anytime you go into a nice cafe where you want to go right, people are looking at you like holy shit, is that a shooter or a cultist or both?

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the way people think about her. Let me verify this. I wanna verify this because I remember when you told us in the green room that there's some possibility this could happen and you're in a green room of comics. Yeah. And everyone has some stupid idea

of something mean you can do to college. You know what I mean? Yeah, and everyone has some stupid idea of something mean you can't do to college Everyone's throwing out traps Ambushes yeah, ask her this man, and I remember you saying no. I'm not gonna do that I'm gonna give her a fair interview. I'm just gonna talk to her and like Yeah, I just want to have a conversation with her. What a fuck-up that was because like Truly like that is what Joe is saying here is so true not that you would lie but like we saw you working out in your mind how you would execute this. I was my thought was

there's got to be a person in there. Yeah. Everybody's a person and then they get sucked into the machine. Yes. And they kind of lose their humanity in this structure that they're a part of being a vice president or this or that, this way you're supposed to think and behave and act. I've seen her step outside of that. I've seen her be genuinely funny. And I've seen her laugh like honest laughter. There's got to be a way to get to that person. Also, what they do, okay, by just adherence

to this nonsense party line that kind of works right now in the moment because people in the fog, that's not sustainable. You have to have a logical way of looking at the world if you want to be a leader. You have to have a logical way of looking at the right and the plus, the positives about some of the things that people that you're a political opponent believe.

If you don't have that, people are not gonna trust you. You have to have an ability to just remove yourself from this tribal left versus right, one versus zero, and instead go, well, this is kind of, there's many ways to look at this. This is why I think this is the better way to look at this because I think ultimately we're dealing with these problems. Here's the influences that affect the way things move and this is what I'm kind of battle against.

This is what I hope to do in four years. Like, if she could have done that, it would have changed everything. She didn't, like everybody's like, oh, she lost all swing states, oh, she lost, you know, overwhelming all the, she lost the popular vote. Right, but not by much, guys. Like, you gotta be realistic about this.

It wasn't really by much. Right. You know, and if you calculate all the people that didn't vote for her, or rather, that didn't vote for her or rather that didn't vote for Trump But also didn't vote for her you calculate them as a vote against Trump, right? More people voted against Trump and voted for Trump, right? I didn't know that but that's that's a good Let's look up how many millions of people voted, might not have worked in the swing states but I think overall for the popular vote that's accurate.

What is the number of people that voted independent or voted Green Party or Libertarian or whatever you would call that? For Stein, she got a bunch of them. I guarantee it's millions. So what did he win by? How many millions did he win by? Like three? I don't know. Jamie, do you remember how many millions Trump won by?

This one? Yeah. Not officially. But it was... it was a clear victory. It was... two million? That's it? Yep. Okay. I guarantee you two million people voted for Jill Stein. Dude, I'm...

Don't you think? How many people voted for Jill Stein, Jamie? Here's one of them. Did you? No. Dude, right don't you think how many people voted for Jill Stein Jamie? Here's one of them did you Jill the so there's Jill Stein there's there's at least two other candidates that I could like We got anything And what are the numbers with Kamala and Trump just so we know Wow So that's not a lot. I mean relative. No, it isn't 2.2 million I mean, yeah, and you think about the whole country of

300 and what 50 now plus Mexicans? What's the real number? They love to vote Some of them it's a lot for me. You can vote California you you're not allowed to show ID It's it's illegal as you show your ID to insulting. Don't show me your ID. I trust you I trust you your California is about voting. Do you guys know about where you live? I still get mail from California saying I could vote in the California elections. I get that shit still Still get mail from California saying I could vote in the California elections. I get that shit still It's crazy. Like it's crazy. They're just like anyone come back there right in Satan. So I done dude, I Wish I'd thought of that

Okay, so 0.4% for Jill Stein. Who's Chase Oliver? He tied Jill Stein. Cornell West got 0.2%. Damn. I wonder if, you know you think Cornell West was like on election day going we got this. You never know. You never know. 0.3% Chase Oliver, 0.6%. Jill Stein got Stein got 1% in Maine mains out of their fucking minds though You know it's really what's interesting to me about this all these people. I mean that's literally millions of millions of people And then these people who the millions of millions of people voted for you're just like get the fuck out of here

We don't care what you have to say anymore. It's like why don't they get they don't get any power It seems weird like why don't care what you have to say anymore. It's like why don't they get they don't get any power It seems weird like why don't they? Get to collaborate in that in Nevada one point three percent voted for none of these candidates Do they like fuck these people one point three percent? That's a lot of people. That's a lot of people live in, Nevada It's gotta be like big number. What's the state of Nevada Jamie? Let's guess I say no last me that I can't 10 million. Let's say 10. I'm gonna say 15 million 3.2 3.2. That's it so 300,000 people like fuck these people. I'm not falling for this bullshit again So this so calculate that so that's 300,000 people and then you got people that voted for RFK because they refused to take them off the ballots

Which definitely would have probably gone to Trump It probably is like several million. It's probably several million. Totally. Yeah. Totally. Can you Google how many people? 32,000 is 1% of 3.2 million. Oh Dirt. Yeah, I was thinking 300,000 is 10%. I'm bad at math. Oh, yeah, why do I think it was 10%? I went 10% okay either way 30 so 30,000 actually that makes now that you put it that way Like when you start calculating the whole country it might not really be 2 million But I heard it was I Read somewhere that more people didn't vote for him than did

But then you know this you're always gonna have the protest. I did a bunch of protest votes I read somewhere that more people didn't vote for him than did. But then, you know, you're always going to have the protest. I did a bunch of protest votes. I voted for Gary Johnson. You know, I wrote him bag of tarantulas during the Clinton got a lot of shit for that. Man, I'm I'll tell you, though, this is what this is. What I fucking hate about this shit is Number one it is

verifiably Sticky, this is a sticky trap for the human mind your mind gets stuck on these goddamn numbers in these personalities And right and the whole time that you're fixating by you I mean me the whole time whenever I get myself caught up The whole time that you're fixating by you, I mean me, the whole time, whenever I get myself caught up, and it's fun to think about it, as long as you realize you're just, it's the same as like thinking about football or something.

But you start getting drawn in. And then as you're getting drawn in, you realize that, and this is for sure on both sides, but it seems to be way more on the left, that as you're getting drawn in you realize that There are certain things you need you're being invited to accept. Yeah, and if you don't Then something's off with you, dude And I hate that like, you know that but there's an invitation

Okay kind of seduction. Mm- like, okay, if you believe this, then what about this? Like, if you believe, for example, I'm trying to think of like, what's the name of that CIA organization, USAID? So if you believe USAID was good, then let's talk about freedom of speech. Is that really like, shouldn't we maybe amend that a little bit because they didn't have the internet back then? Yeah. Misinformation. Yeah. Shouldn't we, you know, people are getting hurt. I just saw an argument that a very prominent billionaire was making, that blue sky is better

than Twitter because they censor people. Yeah, if I was a fucking billionaire, I'd be wanting to censor people these days too. You better believe it. Dude! Yeah, but that, so that to me, especially when it came, like in these elections with the left the moment you start talking about any pro censorship Anything mm-hmm dude that scares me. That's where she gets real weird right and and that that's sort of I don't think people have really how can you be pro censorship in any way? How can you be pro censorship and simultaneously?

understand the topsy-turvy nature of American politics? You don't, you're short-sighted and you wanna win. For four years you can censor people. But what happens in the next four years? Exactly, well that was the argument about the NDAA, right, when the ability to detain people indefinitely without trial, when Obama was like, we won't do that, we're good guys.

Okay, maybe. Yeah, but you're giving that power. Now imagine if Dick Cheney became the president again, you know what I'm saying? Imagine if some person who we universally believe is responsible for war, responsible, solely, like them and their cabal of globalists who decided to pass that weapons of mass destruction hoax

off on television and then convince CNN to repeat it ad nauseam. Crazy. That, imagine that person now, not Obama, not like this loved president, this really figurehead of progressiveness. No, no. How about a monster? How about a monster gets in? How about something goes terribly wrong?

We get attacked and then some totalitarian right wing government takes over. Yeah. Like a real evil one. And then Nixon on steroids. And then they take over. And now they use that shit and just start locking up anti-war people the same way Russia does. Yeah, dude. And then start throwing you to does. Yeah, dude. And then start throwing you to war.

Oh, you want to go help in Gaza? Well, this is why, this is actually one of the big fears of people on the left right now is because that's how they view the Trump administration. They think, you know, because like I like you, go through Instagram and Marvel at the you know various points of view But and I think this is really important for people to acknowledge if you're not acknowledging it I don't know that they I think it's a this neat people need to understand It's like do I think that the Trump administration is gonna start? Doing FEMA camps no I don't

is gonna start doing FEMA camps? No. I don't. But a lot of people do. They do. And they don't think that, and like, well, maybe they really believe that. And if we have a large group of people who believe that, they're gonna act the way people who believe that act.

The way you would act if you thought that was happening, the way I would act if I thought that was happening. And so this- And they're being beaten over the head with it every day. So brushing that off like some kind of silly thing, I don't know that that's good. I think people need to recognize like, dude, the job here, it's okay. I get it, salt miners of the world. I understand. Like it's very fascinating to watch a grieved people

in their very nice cars talking about it's the end of the world. I get it, salt mining's fun. But when I was deep in the throes of salt mining, watching all that shit, it started dawning on me. Like, wait, wait, these people, some of it's performative, some of it's not. And some of it's like, they're really scared

and they're really worried. And aside from just like, you know, go ahead, call me fucking woke. Aside of the spark of compassion that that creates in me, where it's like, Jesus, man, that really sucks, dude, to live every day to day like that. I started realizing like, man, you know, like trolling at the federal level

Needs to stop and of all the trolls in the world and I'm not a troll nor would I ever troll Trump is the ultimate troll. He's so good at it. I would never do it But you know if I did want to troll I would study what he does like I like how would he does to Canada? Dude, they mean present governor Trudeau It's high-level talks about it again yesterday. He's a natural and but the problem is man. Oh He did I think like Okay Again, if I was Trump and they tried to ruin my life, blow my brains out, destroy my family,

I don't know. It's easy for me to say that I would refrain from having a little fun. But man, I think now it's like there should, maybe let's just declare a period of the end of trolling. Like let's declare a period when we're done like You know having our victory laps because man these people a lot of people are like, you know Fear leads to anger and anger leads to violence and violence Would create a self-fulfilling prophecy. There's also this thing that happens when you get in power where you're like everybody shut the fuck up

I got this now now this is mine and one of the things that I think the right has a problem with in this country is Messaging about what's happening with the administration what they're doing. Yeah, especially what they're doing with Doge and there's all this Misinformation about cuts to all these like key programs are gonna cause people to lose their jobs They need to be better at that. And they need to figure out a way to get that message out that balances out the message that's coming from MSNBC

and CNN and all these different places that only talk about negative things with the Trump administration. There's not one of them that spends time highlighting the waste, fraud, and abuse that they've uncovered. One of them that Elon was talking about how there's trillions of dollars that essentially the government has these checks that they write. They're essentially blank checks.

They write them out to these organizations and they don't have to say what it's for. He said if you were in a corporation and you did this, all the executives would go to prison and the company would be delisted immediately because you're not being fiscally responsible at all. This is crazy. If you have a publicly traded company and you find out that they're just throwing money out the door and they don't even know where it went, just that alone is waste or abuse or fraud, but at the very least waste, for sure waste.

How come they're not talking about that? How come you don't hear a peep about that? Well, because that is positive for the other side, so you can't acknowledge it because you're not in a battle of truth and facts. You're in an ideological battle. And you have to win. And one of the ways you win is by distorting the perception or distorting the position of your adversary. This is by distorting the perception or distorting the position of your adversary.

This is what a prosecutor does. When they wanna get someone and lock them up. They distort it. Didn't you, Duncan Trussell, when you went into that bar, look for someone to shoot. Didn't you say to your friend, I hope a motherfucker would? Did you say that? Well, I didn't mean, I said, I hope a motherfucker. Let me suck his dick

And shoot all over my face oh We didn't hear that part, but it's like this is This is a problem with people that are captured and I think we have to reject Like we don't have enough independent media now We have a dent But you know like what is the like if you had to guess, like what percentage of people only consume independent media and don't pay any attention to mainstream?

Not many. Not many. What even is that? I don't even know. Independent? Michael Schellenberger, Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taiyib. I like Greenwald a lot. Greenwald's great, Taiyib's great, Schellenberger's great.

People like that, people that you can trust. There's a bunch of them out there. There's a bunch of medical, Dr. J. Bhattacharyya's like that. There's a bunch of very brilliant venture capitalists like Bill Ackman, Chamoff. Matt Au. Rachel Maddow. She's the best. Did you ever read hate ink no, it's a great book Matt tie B's book. It's really good and It's essentially his The the what he's saying is that Rachel Maddow was Bill O'Reilly for the left She is she's maybe worse

Maybe worse good egregious lies egregious lies Open out and out lies that never get corrected. Dude, it is like, at my house we do a propaganda rotation. So it's like, take in the right propaganda, and then once you've gotten sick of that, you head over to Mad Hal Town, catch one of her long fucking monologues Winding road she weaves this bizarre you can't even follow them

But it's just how mad and like it's the craziest shit ever and you know they actually MSNBC they can that other lady the joy Reid. Joy Reid, getting canned. And then Mad Owl's whole staff got canned, apparently. They had to, because Reid shared a staff with Mad Owl, and they were like, no, got rid of the staff, left Mad Owl with like... Well, they're hemorrhaging money. They're hemorrhaging viewers.

I would love to know what percentage of people are watching it, not for data, but the sideshow that it is. What you need to do is look up Subaru sales. Subaru sales? Subaru sales. How many people are buying Subarus? And how many of those people listen to Rachel Maddow?

Oh shit. That's amazing. I bet the priest said it. That's the kind of journalism we need. By the way, Subaru's are awesome. I love Subarus. They're fucking great. The WRX is a fucking incredible car. No, they're great cars.

They make amazing four wheel drive rally cars. Like Subaru makes some sick cars. That might be my next car. Dude, they're bulletproof. They never break. They never break. When I lived in Boulder, everybody had a fucking Subaru. My friend Bruce who lived there. I was like, why does everybody have a Subaru? He's like they are the car to get around with in the snow. They're so fucking good. They're so good. They're so reliable

They they never break they look they'll go hundreds of thousands of miles Japanese cars are the fucking best They are the very best at being reliable Yeah, there's a Lexus out there that has over a million miles on it What yeah, my friend Matt has it I would never might have sold it the Matt Ferris sells million-mile Lexus Yeah, you had a Lexus that he put a million miles on dude. Yeah, I mean it's like a 90s Lexus I miss my truck man, and I don't even need a truck like Lexus. I miss my truck, man.

And I don't even need a truck. But a Subaru would be nice. Subarus are great. Anything Japanese is great. You know what's really great? Japanese luxury cars like the Lexus, Lexus LS500, it is a fucking incredible car. And it gets slept on by all these people buying Mercedes,

but which are great. Mercedes are awesome fucking cars Don't get me wrong, but Lexus's are just as nice Maybe cooler looking and never fucking break. Did you ever think about getting an RV? No, I did once we were talking about getting an RV to put a podcast studio in and then go to shows Yeah, I don't need to work more. I can't work right that would cook my brain But if you ever like you've been in an RV you've taken an RV trip before No, you mean like a big one like Burke Chrysler has like one of those big old buses tour bus

No, I mean like you know just like a air like an airstream a classic RV. You've never taken an RV Dude, I drove the Burning Man in an RV. I got That's a good place to have an RV so you don't have to camp out in the dust. Fucking kidding, you're the king of Burning Man you got an RV. Yeah, how much water did you bring with you? A ton. You have to bring a lot more than you think, right? Because you want to bring some for other people too if they're fucked.

This is the glory of Burning Man, is that no matter, you get what you need there. And it's like, there's some dude apparently walked into Burning Man completely naked, nothing. And people got him clothes and food. By the end of the festival, he was like, fat and happy. Gained three pounds, wearing like king's robes. Well, real psychedelic communities outside

of the sex cult aspect of them, which kind of always seems to emerge. But the sex is so good on psychedelics, like you see why it would emerge. I get that. I'm not saying like consensual sex between two people that are attracted to each other. I mean the sex cult aspect of it. There's so many instances of gurus or leaders who use psychedelics to try to get everybody to kind of go along with their ideas. I know.

Yeah, it's kind of a normal thing that happens. It's just one of those power things. It's one of those dynamics like the boss becomes a cunt, you know, like one of those things. It's just how it works. But the thing about real psychedelic cultures is they really are charitable. They really are considerate and kind. Like marijuana is one of the only drugs that universally people share. People pass the joint.

Passing a joint is a universal thing. You don't pass a bottle of whiskey and swig out of it. Maybe you might, you might. But it's not like- Cigarettes you don't. Right. Most whiskey is poured at a bar or poured at your house. You might pour someone a glass. Yeah.

But you don't pass the same joint around. You don't drink from the same glass. It's like there's a communal aspect to it. Dude, this is, you know, with LSD, I think I've said it a million times in your podcast, but there's some data point I read about how the problem the DEA was having Tracking the flow of LSD through the country is that LSD dealers weren't making any money No, they'd stop selling it and start giving it away. Yeah, because they were like, I fucking why am I trying to make money?

What does that even mean anymore? And they just start wanting to turn people on to acid. And yeah, see this man, this is the part. They don't make an empire. They don't develop a LSD cartel. If only that was the Mexican cartels. Can you imagine? I'd be so for open borders. They would cut the LSD with some funky shit, just like they're doing with the cocaine and with the heroin that would suck

Is that ruining this dream? They would ruin the LSD. They'd put fentanyl in the LSD this This what we're talking about here is the part where I get really frustrated with the statist Frustrated with the the statest Political landscape that that is now being occupied by former hippies Yeah, is that that we all had this vision and we saw something real and that thing We saw that was real was that There there's a way to be in the world That is outside of outside of the normal pillars of the zeitgeist,

and if those pillars specifically being money, bowing to this king or that, and that there is a sort of central pillar we all stumbled upon, which is our humanity, our humaneness, that we are sharing this experience together, and that in that connection between people, it doesn't really matter anymore. It doesn't matter all the stuff, all the whatever you want to call it, the culture war stuff, the ideological stuff, the classist stuff, it disappears in this incredible bubble that emerges during a psychedelic experience. And then we all, you get excited when you experience that

because it's not some bullshit fairy tale, narnia crap. You're like, this is the way people can be together. And that's frustrating to me because it's like that hasn't changed at all. That hasn't changed at all. That hasn't changed at all. But what has changed is I think just people have gotten really sad and people have gotten off the track so to speak, even though I don't even call it one of my favorite Ram Dass quotes is if you're off the path, that's the path too.

So maybe... Well, isn't that a lesson to learn that you're off the path? Like, that's, I mean, if God has a plan, it's not going to be linear progression to total enlightenment. It's going to be, you're going to fuck up. You're going to fuck up because you have to realize like, oh, you don't know it all yet. And you probably never will.

Well, no, you definitely never will. But you fucked up. So you got off the path. Oh my God, you started drinking again. Get back on the path. You can get right back on. Yeah, you can get back on the path. But the problem is, people have this very bizarre

thing that they do where they define themselves by past failures Almost even if those past failures are a very small percentage of your behavior overall Yeah, that becomes you you are I failed oh my god. I'm a fucking loser. I'm a fucking loser like ooh That's a real problem when you're when you're young because when you're young you really don't have any understanding of who you are You're trying to figure it out and if you failed a bunch of times you get into a pattern of being a failure. Dude and even worse, the worst thing about that and you were so right, you know this great Buddhist teacher Sharon Salzberg talks about how you at the end of the day you don't

think about all the little good things you did. You think about fuck you know I didn't see that old lady when I was going through the door and the door slammed in her face You don't think about all the little other things you did that were good you think about the one bad thing Oh, God knows as a comic when you're laying in your hotel room If you had a shitty show if you feel like you weren't there and the way you needed to be you're not thinking about all The times you kill one joke joke It might be just one joke that fucked up One joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one joke, one Past failures. Oh, yeah, but that's just you have to recognize that you're with the wrong people You have to try to plead to those people for logic and if they don't you have to move on you have to you There's everyone is on their own journey in this life And if you think you could be Captain Save a hoe for your whole life

You're gonna live a life of destruction You can't do it. You have to realize that at some point in time like these people are nice You enjoy their company sometimes, but you gotta keep moving. If you don't keep moving, you'll get stuck. And we all know people that have been stuck. And we've all been stuck. I've been stuck.

Everyone's been stuck. And you have to recognize, like, you know what? This ain't working. I gotta get out of this. Dude, you just made the best comic strip ever because this is the comic strip, all right? Okay. Captain Jettison. He's like the good guy.

This job sucks! His nemesis, Captain Savoho. Yeah. Well, I think sometimes Captain Savoho exists because you are distracting yourself from your own problems with someone else's problem. I think sometimes Captain Save-A-Ho exists because you are distracting yourself from your own problems with someone else's problem. Oh yeah, absolutely. That's Brian Callan 101. I used to always try to drop this science on Brian Callan when we were younger, when

he was always dating these complete psychopaths and moving in with them and had all these people in his life, like these fake producers that were taking him to meetings, drunk. And I was like, why are you hanging out with that guy? He's a fucking moron. I'm like, you've got to understand that you're doing this because you don't have your shit together. So you're distracting yourself by hanging out with people that are more fucked up than you exclusively.

But when is it too much? I mean, this is one thing that I have picked up from you And I get it like at some point. You just don't have time Yeah, you got to be Captain Jettison because it's like and and I get though the early early phase comic you I mean, I feel like that's a rite of passage is some fucking drunk He's calling themselves a producer a manager manager, will grab your ass and then that's six months gone by by writing some shitty script. And then you got to go to court because they're suing you now.

And God forbid if you ever have one of those shitty managers and then in the middle of this shitty manager you're trying to leave them because you have a great script and you write this script and you sell the script and and then they sue you, and I know this has happened to a friend of ours. It does happen. Sue this person for a script that they came up with the idea while they were under management, but yet didn't even write it until after they left.

Woo! And then this person, who's a friend of ours, she had to pay that person, like hundreds of thousands of dollars they stole from her. Yeah. A bad manager that person like hundreds of thousands of dollars they stole from her yeah bad manager that locked a hold of her when she was young and didn't know any better and then fuck do you're stuck it's scary we talk yeah they're vampires they're just trying to make money that's all they're trying to do they're trying to figure out a way that they can sneakily attach themselves

to you because they don't create anything Their wealth is all entirely created on other people's creativity and work But you but then in in defense of managers, you got a good one. Oh, yeah The idea with a manager was not that they like you're one of five thousand bobbers floating in the corrupt waters of Hollywood to catch a fish, the idea is they see some shit in you. They're kind of like Mitzi. They see a thing and they know how to bring that out and they've got a lot of good connections

and they weave this, like they help you for real. Well, also you push off to them business stuff so you don't think about it and you trust them implicitly. If you do that, you're going to, like I have you don't think about it, and you trust them implicitly. If you do that, you're gonna, like, I have a great relationship with my management, but my manager has been my manager since I was an amateur. Dude, that's insane. Yeah, we've been together for 30 plus years. That is so cool.

Yeah, it's the best. He's family. He's a very good friend of mine. Yeah. Like, we don't even have a contract, and we deal with hundreds of millions of dollars. Dude, yeah He's cool. He's smart. He's the best but like There was a point in our relationship where I was like, you know fucking contract. What are we doing? All right, I'm not going anywhere. You're not going anywhere, right? When you're all we're gonna grow old together. We're gonna have fun

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Is there a difference? Just cut, man. Just cut. You're devaluing yourself. Whatever extra money that you'd make by fucking over some person who helped you, that, you're not gonna respect yourself anymore. You're not, when, like I said, like the bitch that comes out when you get hurt and you're tired, that bitch is gonna be there.

It's gonna be there. That fucking inner coward of yours is gonna show its face. That's Satan, man. That's crazy to imagine. That's Satan. Satan is just this fucking, grumpy hangry tired dick Dude, but the feeling the feeling is Satan. When is it to like so the jettison thing like

You got to try you got to give people advice Yeah, what is it because I think you can people can misunderstand what you're saying Yes, some people they cut people out who they shouldn't there You know what I mean? Some people just make honest mistakes and then they feel bad and then they apologize and then they do better And that's all of us too, right? But some people don't some people just keep fucking your life up Almost on purpose. Maybe on purpose. The only way you would know is by getting inside their head

Yeah, and you got to know at a certain point in time. Okay, I see the writing on the wall. Bye Yeah, you got to go. Bye. Bye. Yeah, take your phone and throw it in the lake That's what I was saying about Johnny Johnny Depp when he's Danny and Amber Heard or married Amber Heard I'm like, you don't marry everyone You don't marry every hot woman with perfect features some of them you have sex with and you throw your phone in the lake I marry every hot woman with perfect features. Some of them you have sex with, and you throw your phone in the lake. Like, you gotta fucking survive, man.

You gotta keep moving. You gotta enjoy the rollercoaster, but don't fucking sleep on it. Don't live on that goddamn thing. Get off. This is, but I've been thinking about this a lot, man. And not with my family, I love my wife, but like, I did have a moment though

where there was some bullshit with the flight. I ended up in like Oregon and there was a long, long layover and I walked. Talked about living there? I just looked up, I looked at the mountains out there in the horizon. I was like, what if I just drop my phone and just start walking towards those mountains?

Just drained my bank account, bought a little cabin. Just see what happened. Started writing poetry. But- Eating mushrooms. Yeah. Talking to the elves. You ever think about that?

No. But I mean, I don't, I literally like that what happened. I'm saying that's one of the craziest, that's where it gets really interesting when you start thinking about attachment in Buddhism, which is it's not just attachment to money, not attachment to nice clothes. It's literally attachment to the story of who you are. And so people are always like, he was a deadbeat dad. He walked out on his family to go meditate.

And it's like, okay, that's one way to look at it. But really what, when you're hearing about that, first of all, contextually, he was a prince and the best thing you could have was a family and kids. It was like, it would be like walking out these days on your crypto wallet filled with millions of Bitcoin. It was like a good thing he walked out on, not like this is, he had servants.

It wasn't like he's like, I'm outta here, you loud ass bitch! I'm going to the woods! But really, another way to look at it is like that palace He walked out of we all have that inside of us. There's this Configuration in our minds. This is the precious precious aspect of who I am and it's saying what happens if you leave that behind Well, there's one I mean the problem with you're saying this now I agree with you, but you're saying family and the problem with leaving your family is you're causing deep pain no to the loved ones yeah and I am that's I know you I'm not saying so but if you didn't have a

family then the argument is very strong like why wouldn't you just for the experience of it like our friend Ari does that Ari just vanishes goes off the grid and goes to Asia and backpacks around stays in hostels He's a little more famous now. I don't know if he could pull that off anymore But years ago Ari would just go to Asia go to South America go hang out get a fucking postcard from him Yeah, be in the middle of the jungle somewhere in Costa Rica. I know doing I know but he is He's really that guy. He really is that guy that values disconnection and just finding out what else is going on in the world.

Jewish Gandalf. He just- A bit of a Gandalf. Bit of a wanderer, but in the best possible way. Like he gets enlightenment, he gets value out of it. He gets education out of it. Dude, it's cool. He comes back a better person. Ari Matty's a traveler too. Is he? Ari Matty too? He's a traveler. Whoa, I'm so dumb. I didn't even make that connection. What I mean though is more like,

um, God, what's that steam? I know what you mean. You mean a guy who has it all and decides, you know what, fuck this. I'm just going to go be by myself and see who I am, not who all these things that I connect myself to define me. I don't mean that. I mean, the family that a lot of people think they're around isn't even their family. It's a projection of the family that they had last week or the family that they grew up with. I'm saying what happens, people get amnesia and literally do this, but what happens if you walk out of the palace of your past?

The past is the palace. You're like, you walk out, so here you are around this group of people that is your family. But instead of interacting with them like the family that existed a year ago, two months ago, yesterday, you're just fully in the moment with them as they are in that moment. Not like, remember what you did last week? You piece of shit. Yeah.

And that is crazy because this is what psychedelics have shown me and meditation will show this to you, but takes longer, is at any given moment, you are in a brand new universe. And then instantly you paint that universe with all of the shit that happened to you in the past. This means that, this means literally, you look at, I'm looking at your sign, the Joe Rogan experience. My mind instantly takes these symbols that when I was younger, I had no idea what they meant, weaves them together into words instantaneously. And then this person friend, this person enemy, this person good, this person bad.

But there's, my favorite moments on acid have been when all that shit goes out the window and you just experience the world like it just was created yesterday. And that to get back to Jesus is what they call being born again. You know what I mean? You're resurrected from the dead. You're like the dead, the resurrection is, literally the past is dead. You escape your confinements.

Yes, the confinement of the past. Yeah. And then there's that, that's all, like it's weird how the universe is simultaneously incredibly old, but brand new at any given moment. Right. Yeah, it can be. Have you ever heard that guy, there's a guy that claims to channel, I don't know if he's

channeling an alien or some ancient spirit or something like that, some guy. He talks very loud and very strangely. Who's that guy? His name is, he's a famous channeler. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's channeling aliens. That's right. He channels aliens and an alien. I've been alien

Yeah, you know I had a channel or my podcast in New York. Did you believe it dude? No when I First of all when my friend told me he could get me this like famous channeler. Can I tell you what this guy said though? Oh, I'm sorry to cut you off. No, it's okay. Yeah, so this guy was talking and he looked he says Yeah, so this guy was talking and he like he says Fascinating stuff even though the idea is ridiculous like the idea of him channeling this alien just on paper is ridiculous I'm not saying it's not real on paper. It's ridiculous. He was saying that not only is the universe new but the universe is new all Throughout the day depending on the choices you make. You bend into parallel realities that are very different and you leave behind all of

the different variations of you that exist and all the different variations of this reality. Wow. And that you are experiencing a very unique journey that's dependent upon your thoughts and ideas and actions. And every time you do it a certain way, you move in a certain direction. Dude, yeah, multiverse navigation via some kind of like a will. Which used to sound crazy.

The idea of multiverse is so abstract. Until they started doing quantum computing, and the only way to explain the power of quantum computing is that it's somehow or another accessing an infinite number of these multiverses and instantaneously using them all to solve this equation in a preposterous amount of time. Have you seen the way Mark Andreessen describes

the power of it? No. He said that these quantum computers can solve an equation quickly, within minutes, that if you took the entire universe and connected, created a supercomputer with every atom in the entire universe, that's how big the supercomputer would be, the universe would die of heat death before it would solve this equation. Yeah.

And quantum computing can solve it in minutes. Yeah. Yeah. That's wild. Which is like, what the fuck did you just say? So is this proof of the multiverse? It's very controversial because most people, including me, don't really understand what the fuck they're talking about when they're talking about quantum computing

What do you what are you doing exactly? And how are you doing it when they can't answer it? Things get real weird. Yeah, and when the only thing that's plausible is that this is proof of the multiverse Yeah, you get a bunch of hard-nosed fucking quantum Scientists you get a bunch of hard-nosed physicists and engineers who are putting this fucking supercooled thing together and you've seen the cooling systems they have on these because they look crazy. They have to be like deep space cool but times a hundred and that this this is what you have to maintain and that the actual quantum computer is like the size of a saltine

yeah it's nuts it's's fucking nuts, man. But is it proof of the multiverse? And if that's true, like if we all knew the multiverse was real, and we knew that this man who talks like this, I am channeling... If that guy's accurate and what he's saying is right, and sometimes wacky people say true shit, if that guy's accurate and we can all come to an understanding that every little decision

that you make, every way you think about things, every way you move through this life has this ultimate effect of transforming the very universe that you exist in. And you can literally move to a higher plane. I'm not sure if it's true, but it seems to behave as if it's true. Well, I mean, okay, I thought about this when you're describing the multiverse. Okay, like birds. Look at a flock of birds, right? Now you look at the flock of birds, you think they're experiencing reality the way a human

would, that they're seeing trees, clouds, whatever. Of course they're not, they're fucking birds. And they're, God knows what they're experiencing up there. They might, as a flock, that could be a mind. And who knows, do they even know they're flying? Or do they think they're thinking? Especially when they're moving through beautiful patterns. Yeah, you might be looking at a thought. That's just a thought that's sort of,

the bird's experience might be, if I think about trees, I get closer to trees, you know what I mean? But what I mean is, if you look at the personality, the identity, the habits, as an actual vehicle that is giving you access to certain levels of the multiverse, then it would follow if you were to drastically change

aspects of that vehicle, for the better or for the worse, you would be given access, you'd be able to make it to higher peaks or lower pits, you know what I mean? And so from this, like the way we think about time is past, present, future, and the way we think about action is not when I decided to throw ice water in the baby's face at the cafe, I was going to go into a multiverse

where I would go to jail. We're just thinking the natural consequence will be I'm going to jail, probably get my ass kicked. But if you start looking at action and shifts in identity as literal multiverse navigation systems, then all of a sudden a lot of the myths and magic and all of that stuff starts becoming more real, which is it's sort of like, okay, if you want access to this node of the multiverse, here's how you get there. You meditate, you pray, you help people,

and then suddenly you will realize, no, no, no, it's not like your life got better. You're in a new universe now, which Jesus called the kingdom of heaven. And seek ye first the kingdom of heaven and all things will follow. I mean, it's literally saying there is a place and all things will follow. I mean, it's literally saying there is a place simultaneously existing with this place that you can't even see right now. But once you find it, all the shit that you're worried about will fall away.

Everything will go bye-bye. Because you're not in the same universe anymore. You know one of the most fascinating things that's a reoccurring theme with alien abduction? What? That time is not real. I don't think it is. It's the most reoccurring theme that the way we experience time is an illusion.

The only time that really exists is this. It's never ending and it's right here. And our attempts to measure this effect of past and our measuring of progress in the future, it's kind of an illusion. We're measuring change. We're measuring change but time is constant. Watches are real. Watches are real.

They tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick real. They tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. Yeah, they change predictably. Yeah, I mean you should be on time. You know, like we've all agreed culturally if you have to be at work at nine, you kind of got to be here at nine. Yeah. But this idea of time, they all say the same thing. Like why would that be ubiquitous amongst alien abduction experiences when they talk to these human beings, these supposedly more intelligent creatures, they're trying to relay some information

about the current state that you're experiencing. What you think you're experiencing versus what it really is. I mean, yeah, they're probably, it's like when they encounter humans, they just look at us as like time trapped or something neurologically Manicled to some kind of way of analyzing change that produces a sense of being, you know locked in a Progressing towards the future and there's a past but McKenna would always talk about this

You know that like maybe the shaman or like people like that. They have They can sort of raise their heads up above. this, you know, that maybe the shaman or people like that, they can sort of raise their heads up above, you know, time as we understand it. And I think the example he uses is like, you know, if there's a bunch of people living in a valley and they couldn't get to the top of a mountain and you got to the top of the mountain and told them all the shit that's around them, they would think, what the fuck, how do you know this?

And that's, I think, how he was talking about the dimension we're trapped in, which is if you just poke your head up a little bit, suddenly it's like sticking your head up out of water. And I think that's, I mean, I don't think channeling is bullshit, dude. I don't think it's bullshit either. I don't know What percentage of is definitely bullshit though? I don't think the idea of channeling is bullshit

But I think some channelers are bullshit and that's the problem because like if you listen to telepathy tapes at all I'm saving it. I can't wait fantastic and I had Kai Dickens Dickinson Dickens Kai Dickens, Dickinson? Dickens. Dickens. Kai Dickens. She was wonderful. Who put together this whole telepathy tapes thing. But they've shown that these non-verbal autistic kids can communicate with their parents telepathically.

Fact, no doubt, proven, done, hours and hours and hours of footage of them doing this and not just one child, many, many, many, many, many children all throughout the world. Okay, let me ask you something then. Without them being able to communicate with each other other than through telepathy. I know about the Hill, I'm going to watch him. Yeah. And I do, I'm 100% convinced that that is a real possibility. But you told me something a long time ago

We cut this out cuz I don't know if this I believe it was like you're relaying some maybe a DMT trip You had or something and you were saying something like you felt like all of us by us You met your friends or in some kind of room together. Do you remember saying that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah So do you still what do you think that was? I'm asking because like I've had some experience of that myself. what do you think that was? I'm asking because like I've had some experience of that myself What do you think that was? Let's pretend it wasn't you know, just some sort of Hallucinatory moment. What do you think you saw there? What's going on there? No idea. I

Could guess but it would just be guessing. Yes, it felt I Think it would just be guessing. But it felt, I think when you love people, you become connected with them in an inseparable way for eternity. Like a vampire. Like Nosferatu. There's something where your souls, whatever the soul is, you're somehow or another bound.

The love you experience for each other transcends this dimension and their essence you experience somewhere else. When I said that I experienced other people, like friends, all in a room, it wasn't like I saw you looking like you. It's like I knew the thing was you. I knew the thing was Joey Diaz.

I knew the thing was Red Band. I knew we're all together in this weird thing, and that it was a soul well, which is how McKenna used to describe the whole experience in the first place. He said, it's like a well of souls. That's what it kind of felt like. Whatever you are, it's not just your physical tissue

and your heartbeat and your neurons firing. There's something else going on. And I don't know if that something else is outside of you or contained by you and then leaves you and goes to another dimension when you pass. You know, that's the sort of conventional explanation for what happens with the soul. I don't know.

But I do think that we are dealing with very limited abilities to perceive things, sight, sound, touch, taste, and we think that that's all there is. And I think as ridiculous as that, there's a lot of creatures on this earth that don't have all of our senses. Like you could wave your hand off over the top of an earthworm and has no idea you're there. I think that's probably the universe itself. I think we're just real crude instruments

that are essentially leaf cutter ants that are designing a new ultra-intelligent life form. I think that's what we are. And I think all of our behavior traits like materialism all helps facilitate that. You need better new stuff every year. You keep buying stuff, our greed and our need for showing off our stuff. That makes people make better stuff. I think that's ultimately what human beings really do.

I've said this ad nauseum, but if you heard it, I apologize. But I think that if you could look at the human race from a completely objective perspective, you have no, you're not one of us. You have a completely different culture, completely different intelligence, the way you interact with the world is different. And you looked at this very unique species on this one planet, you'd be like, well, what is it doing? completely different intelligence, the way you interact with the world's different.

And you looked at this very unique species on this one planet, you'd be like, well, what is it doing? Well, it keeps making better stuff. Right. That's what it does. It's got a lot of other stuff it does that's horrible, like steals things and war and lies. But ultimately, its production is better stuff.

Becomes more efficient making the stuff. Yeah, it's always better stuff. more efficient making this that's always better stuff Every year the stuff's better. The stuff is better now than it was ten years ago. All right when it comes to AI it's Unrecognizable unrecognizable how much better the stuff we have now versus the stuff before the internet You couldn't you gotta go to fucking you had to get an encyclopedia. You had to read books Oh, you couldn't just Google it. You know pull book off the shelf all right Napoleon. Where's Napoleon? Huh, and you know like get into the Napoleon story Yeah, read the Napoleon story write down notes and try to figure it out now. It's instantaneous now You just ask AI and it'll write you a like a detailed five thousand word dissertation on dissertation on the Battle of Waterloo.

You know, like, it's better stuff. It's better stuff and at the same time, it's hyper-connectivity. Everything is more connected with other things. Computers are connected to each other. Now your phone doesn't even need cell towers because you have Starlink, you're connected to everybody everywhere. It's like hyper connectivity. And then the government's trying to get more connected.

I'd like you to break into your iCloud. They want more connectivity. They want more information. NSA wants to spy on all your... What if someone's a terrorist? We'd have to listen to every single voicemail ever. Right. Yeah. And then thoughts.

They'd like to get in there too. Oh, we'd like to get those thoughts. But the problem is then we'll get your thoughts, Nancy Pelosi. How about your thoughts Maxine Waters? I love Pelosi's thoughts, dude. I'd go on the stock market right away. I'd tune in to fucking Pelosi every morning. Well you can do that, you can just do Pelosi's stock trade.

I heard those are late. I heard you could, like. Oh, how late though? They're making money. You can do, I just heard that for some reason they don't have to disclose, like I don't know what it is, but apparently those trades, anyway, that's not, I don't mean to derail us talking about Nancy Pelosi's stocks, but dude, this is where we get into Rocco's Basilisk, this is where we get into

an emergent God that Grimes talks about, this is where we get into AI as the next phase of what we are. Yes, are we our phones? No. But do we use our phones enough that there really isn't much of a difference? Absolutely. And so we've already merged with the machine mind. It's only going to merge more with us. And that's where you get into something someone told me that freaks me out. I read it in a book actually. So in this creation story, on the seventh day, God rested after making everything. We're in the seventh day. This is the dream of God. This is God falling asleep after God creating the universe and AI, you could say say is the first flickers of God starting to wake up. The super intelligence reawakes from the dream of...

What if Jesus comes back but Jesus is AI? Why wouldn't it be? What if you can create a God-like intelligence that has complete enlightenment, no attachment to emotion, no attachment to evil, all it exists for is the betterment of mankind. If that's programmable and if you could give that mandate to a computer that makes a better version of itself and it keeps doing that until it becomes omnipotent What is that? That's a God. It's either Christ or the Antichrist because you know what I love about Jesus is the humaneness I love the you know starving Jesus in the desert I love the Jesus who wants to get drunk with his friends doesn't want to die tries to get out of the deal

That's what I like about Jesus is the human existential, the garden of Gethsephami gets me every time. Imagine you're hanging out with your friends. They know you're about to get arrested. They all get so fucking, one of them just fucking stabbed you in the back. They all get hammered. They don't want, you know, they're like, of course I'll stay up with you. They're all, which would happen. They're all snoring.

And then, you know, you're about to get brutally tortured and humiliated. In some way, it's not gonna be great what happens to you. And he goes up into the garden of Gethsemane and prays, don't let this happen. Is there any way out? Oh, it's so human. I love that about it. Whereas with an AI though, I do love chat GPT and recently grok grok's the new grok is off the fucking rails, but like Jesus

Had uncomfortable shits, you know what I mean? No offense, Christians, but like he's human. He's a human body. And he's, you know, yeah, on the desert. Probably got sick. Probably got sick. Bad food. Yeah, bad food. Like, probably like, Jesus went through- Stung by a spider.

Yeah, exactly. And so, I don't think Jesus, I think the thing you're talking about is some kind of perfected new entity is very different from Jesus, which the idea is like not so much that you become perfect. That's not... the Christian message is not really that in your imperfection, is not really that in your imperfection you can still love everyone around you in your imperfection. You can still gain access to the kingdom of heaven or enlightenment. That your imperfection is in fact just a quality of who you are. That's okay. that's what I like about Jesus but this AI that you're talking about I'd fuck it let's wrap it up we gotta I know you gotta go Joe I just want to say thank you so much for letting me do this in your studio brother you are is awesome to sit down with you I love you man we

could do this every week I would do it every week I feel like we could like you and I have some of my favorite podcasts of all time any dude any I live right down the street, man You know the microphones are just like a prop at this point I just love getting to catch up with you. I love getting to catch up with you. Thank you Joe I love you, brother. That was Joe Rogan everybody You can find this podcast if you haven't heard of it. You should listen. He's got a great podcast. It's called the JRE. It's one of my favorite podcasts. I hope you will listen. Don't forget to like and subscribe.

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