Duncan Trussell Family Hour - 682: Ian Fidance

Episode Date: April 18, 2025

Ian Fidance, a cool guy who did nothing wrong on the subway (and brilliant & funny person), re-joins the DTFH! Seattle family! Duncan is coming to the Capitol Hill Comedy Club & Bar, April 2...4-26. Get your tickets now! This episode is brought to you by: Visit trueclassic.com/DUNCAN to save. Shop now and elevate your wardrobe today. Give all the “moms” in your life a unique, heartfelt gift you’ll all cherish for years—StoryWorth! Right now, save $10 on your first purchase when you go to StoryWorth.com/Duncan! This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/duncan and get on your way to being your best self.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Greetings loves welcome to the DTFH before we get going with this episode I want to apologize, you know, I was looking at the Darrell Cooper comments and some people are like what the fuck with the ads and You know, I looked at that and I'm thinking come on relax like really it can't be that bad, but it was It really was we didn't realize that YouTube had automatically put ads like every two minutes. I can't believe the number of people that watched that thing. I'm so sorry about that. We just didn't know.
Starting point is 00:00:36 So we fixed that. So if you dropped out of that episode, which was one of my favorite episodes of the show, because you're like, I'm not going to get stroboscopic ads from you, you greedy fuck. We fixed that. Now there's only 32 ads versus 796. Also, if you are being distracted by the ads, don't forget you can become a member of this channel and you will have ad-free episodes. If you're listening to this, you like the audio version, go to patreon.com forward slash DTFH to get ad free episodes over there.
Starting point is 00:01:14 I got shows coming up. Please come see me if you're listening to this, the week of April 19th, I'm gonna be at Meow Wolf Denver, Convergent Station. There's an awesome festival happening there. All the links you need to find that are at dunkittrustle.com. At April 24th, I'm going to be at the Capitol Hill Comedy Bar in Seattle, Washington. I don't know what's going on with this. Somehow the name of this venue seems to have changed. So if you go on my website, it's going to say Emerald City Comedy Club. So I don't know what's going on exactly here. It's a little confusing, but just go to emeraldcitycomedy.com. You can find tickets
Starting point is 00:01:54 for that Seattle. And I'm excited to see you. I haven't been to Seattle in a bit. Then I'm going to be at the Comedy Zone in Greenville. That's May 9th. And then I'm gonna be at Wise Guys in Vegas May 15th. And then in June, I'm coming back home to the Comedy Mothership, June 6th, 7th, and 8th. Now everybody, get ready for a wonderful podcast with one of my dear friends, Ian Fydance is such a cool guy. He's so brilliant and funny and and yeah I know the subway thing that you guys are probably all thinking about the trouble he got in recently
Starting point is 00:02:36 Might make you not want to dive into this but I'm telling you the story you've heard about the New York subway event is The story you've heard about the New York subway event is not what happened. And I invited Ian on the show to set the record straight about what happened between him and the body and all that. So if you please have an open heart and open mind and just know that sometimes the media slants things. And everybody, please welcome to the DTFH, Ian Fydans. Don't forget the lube. I don't use the lube. I will move. Fuck me trying swimming. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:30 Fuck me trying Let's play in ya. Fuck me trying Let's play in ya. Sponsored by Pure Moods. Sail away, Sail away, Sail away. You know that fucking song? Played all the time in the rehab I went to? by Pure Moods. Sail away, sail away, sail away.
Starting point is 00:03:45 You know that fucking song? Played all the time in the rehab I went to, yes. Oh God, and you know that song, you listen to it, and at first you're like, oh, I really do like this when it first came out, and then you realize like, this is like the most classist fucking song. What? That is the part.
Starting point is 00:04:03 How? Pull up, pull up the you pull up the lyrics to Sail Away? Wait, make sure it's Sail Away and not that song that's like sail! Enya, Orinoco Flow. Wait, what's that Enya song that's like, Who? Me on the eagle now listen from basal to Palau in the shade of Avalon From Fiji to Tyree in the Isles of Ebony. She's just bragging about what cruises. She goes. I'm saying no one can do this trip What no one does that trip no can do that in your trip. I don't have that much money This is this is from the north to the south. Do you know how many? I don't have that much money. This is this is from the north to the south.
Starting point is 00:04:43 Do you know how many miles it's going to take on my Delta car? This is Jeff. This is what Jeff Bezos, his wife is saying where they're going. This is her soundtrack. Then we're going to Bali and then Cali. And then we're going to go. What is this like spit on the help? What is on the hell?
Starting point is 00:05:00 My God, I have the nanny and then go to Hawaii. on the health, slap the nanny, and then go to Hawaii. So, Josh, could you please pull up a man has sex with corpse on New York subway. I was in a bad spot, okay? And I've apologized. I'm having you on the show because I want you to like not be canceled. Thank you. And I know that your angle on this is,
Starting point is 00:05:28 is different than what people think and it's easy to misunderstand a thing like that. And it's tough when the story gets out there and I can't control the narrative. Now, yeah, first of all, I want to say you're disguised. Okay. Autopsy on corpse that was sexually violated on a NYC subway train, unable to determine cause of death. So but before we get to-
Starting point is 00:05:48 I have an idea. Okay, now you can cut that. The victim was already dead when an unidentified necrophiliac had sex with his corpse at the Whitehall Street Station on April 8th. So now, let's talk a little bit about what you're doing now. Because I think a lot of times people get caught up in the past. And this happened on April 8th, that might've was well been a million years ago.
Starting point is 00:06:17 Because what is time? It's a construct. So- It's a flat circle. As you say. And so, since then, we talked on the phone and you were telling me some things you're doing to make amends for this.
Starting point is 00:06:32 Yeah. First of all, I'm in Austin and that's very cool and I'm happy to be here. I am gonna be staying here for a little while. Yep. So you moved to Austin. I'm just tired of New York. It's a lot.
Starting point is 00:06:45 But I'm saying more specifically, like, you know, obviously people are shocked because they thought of you as many things, but they probably didn't think of you as a necrophiliac. Right. But I'm doing a documentary on Norwegian black metal. Okay, there you go. And so that is kind of a part of that genre,
Starting point is 00:07:07 is necrophilia and you know, I don't know if you know like black metal, like in the 90s they were setting churches on fire. Yeah, I do know that. And so I am down here doing a little research. I might wanna dive in to get some of the project going again. I think Ian, maybe you're missing the force
Starting point is 00:07:27 for the trees here. People when they hear that you, and I'd love to hear exactly what happened there. Maybe you just tell the story. So you're on the subway and you see a dead body. Yes. And I mean, a lot of times, you know, when something when someone gets arred, they go, what were they wearing? You know, like they deserve it.
Starting point is 00:07:53 This guy was just sitting there. Well, what are you supposed to do? He's dead. I thought it would be funny to I had a friend on the train and I thought it'd be funny to grab the dead guy's dick and be like, oh You know and so yeah, okay. So this was see now. This is the lame stream media. Yeah, well not When I'm reading this article there you are in your disguise when I'm reading this article What I don't see is a mention of like, you know, this was like no they get they get it wrong. It's like, I thought Elon said comedy was legal again, and then you go and do some prop comedy
Starting point is 00:08:28 and then I'm the asshole. Boom, and then they turn on you. Yeah. So, okay, now I think people are probably, I can already feel it in the ether. People are like, ugh, fooled again by the media. So, you, It's a bit.
Starting point is 00:08:42 You're on the subway subway you see a corpse and What would you do? Well, I mean you're underground you can't call 9-1-1 honestly I don't think I'm as funny in the moment. You're with your bros. You're laughing. You're having fun I think I'd freeze up because you know, I think there's so many funny things you can do in that moment Mm-hmm. And well what another thing I did and they say it's defiling But I thought again, like, you know, when you put someone's arms behind your back and then you put your arms through them.
Starting point is 00:09:10 Yeah. And then you are the arms. Yeah. Yeah, I did that. And I thought it'd be funny. Like, oh, I'm going to jerk off and finger my own ass. And then again, it's like, I'm the jerk off. You weren't the one who finger you.
Starting point is 00:09:23 You just know,ered the corpses. Yes. Like, isn't that funny if a guy was dead and like, you know, you're like... Verifiably funny. Old school funny. The funny we lost. I'm a zombie. We lost this level of funny. This was, this used to be the 80s. Yes. In the 80s, Chevy Chase did that. Yes.
Starting point is 00:09:42 Didn't he do that to... It's not like I put a hole in a wall at a girl's gym and then I look through with my buddies and not one on a quest to lose our virginity. I this I mean I this is old and I'm sorry this is dated but there was this uh, Very funny movie called caddyshack with a gas most people aren't familiar with anymore and in Jim Belushi and Jim Belushi he was in county check John Belushi John Belushi and uh Jim Belushi he was in County Shack? John Belushi. John Belushi. He was in County Shack or your animal house? Animal house I'm sorry yeah yeah so I'm getting my hilarious muses. What Animal House and County Shack both have in common is they're created by National Lampoon yes but also what they have in common is in Caddy Shack Bill Murray apparently found a corpse
Starting point is 00:10:24 in Caddyshack, Bill Murray apparently found a corpse in the forest and they found Bill Murray, I don't know, he's putting clown makeup on the corpse or something, which is, but yeah, John Belushi, in Animal House apparently found two corpses and he did a whole human centipede thing and that is where they got the idea whole human centipede thing and that is where they got the idea from human centipede. Dude, honestly, Bill Murray is my be all end all of comedic actors and to know that I didn't
Starting point is 00:10:54 even know that and I instinctually go to defile a corpse under the guise of humor is like... It feels good. It feels good and it feels bad that people just got it wrong with me. Like, people say they just hear defiling corpse necrophilia and it's like, dude, also when I had the arms behind him and I was like, oh, I'm jerking off. I put my dick in his ass and I went docking engaged. Like I was controlling, you know, like an alien is like, this is how I control a body. Yeah, docking engaged
Starting point is 00:11:27 docking engaged My god, I'm in control friend must have been laughing there. Oh my god Yeah, and I'm waiting for him to fucking come out my defense, but it's like people are so scared of getting cancelled Nobody is willing to go to bat for anyone anymore. I guess discussed. Okay. Look I think look, I think now I mean, I knew I've already talked to you about this. And so, you know, this is why I invite you on the show. But I guess the last thing to address is that. You took his penis home. That's funny. Like,
Starting point is 00:12:03 now I have a prop at home. Use as a thumb hey what's up oh you got my thumb no it's a dead man's penis egg on your face yeah there you go I mean this I mean and clearly I had to take it with me to Austin because apparently they're searching my apartment which I think've been looking at my cat cam. My cats are fine. Yeah, like I said, I'm chilling down in Austin, doing moon tower, blah, blah, blah, life is life, just going along.
Starting point is 00:12:33 Keep on trucking. I'm not gonna let my past define me. And I'm not gonna let things that happened in my past. How many days ago was that? It was not even 10 days ago. 100 years. People change. 100 years. And I'm not gonna let that dictate my actions in the future.
Starting point is 00:12:47 So it's just life moves on. And so I'm moving on and I'm looking for apartments here. And, you know, anybody got an apartment? Well, I know in the past you have offered to let me crash. Unfortunately, yeah, I was hoping I was going to buy. Still, I'm so I Totally forgot to tell you this but the you know funny would be if we were at dinner with your family And I was like this isn't sausage. It's a dead homeless And then I'll just put it back in my pocket
Starting point is 00:13:27 where I keep it. Dude, listen, I had a talk with the bank who gave us the mortgage, and I guess there was a thing in the mortgage, I didn't even know it was there, and I didn't even know that this was a thing you could do. I thought when you bought a house, you could just see anyone who wanted to come and stay could stay
Starting point is 00:13:47 But yeah, apparently uh, like For two more years Only our family is allowed to stay in the house and that sucks or you know, that's weird. That's the house. What about Where you record and this is where our quijote should probably let you stay here Is that cool? And then I could just do sets at black rabbit. There we go. Yeah. Yeah. Is that cool? Yeah. Really? Yeah. There you go. Backroom right over here. Oh dude. There you go. Thank God.
Starting point is 00:14:14 Cause I came down here. I didn't have a plan. I only have a bag. And dude, think how cool that'd be if like, like that could be a selling point for black rabbit is there's like a real, you could like a, a, a, a side black rabbit is there's like a real you could like a side show before the show like and now And also your fit with a dick the rainy street rippers still running around you guys it's like fresh supplies Like if you think the penis gag with the homeless guy on the subway is funny What do you see what I do with a dead corpse of a twink that went out to a gay bar and then he got killed by a man who's killing homosexuals because he's secretly homosexual? It would be funny. It's so cool Austin has become
Starting point is 00:14:53 such a hotbed for comedy. Yeah. This is the place to be. We had the rainy street, now we got you. It's like who's next? There's so there's so many great comics are part of yeah I can't I mean the motherships like across the street I've been going there every day just asking Rogan if I can go on and tell my story, you know Wag wag wag You know, I think the problem a lot of comedy I did He is a lot of security guards are like big strong. And when I went, hey, let me in, I tapped the penis on his chest.
Starting point is 00:15:27 They didn't like that, but. Well, it's not that they didn't like it. It's that again, like because we live in essentially a police state, there are like laws saying that you can't disfigure a corpse. Yeah, but I'm keeping it on ice. It's not like it's like decaying. Dude, listen, you're preaching the choir here. Like, but I'm keeping it on ice. It's not like it's like decaying. Dude, listen, you're preaching the choir here.
Starting point is 00:15:47 Like, but I'm just- I mean, I thought that was a place where it's like no holds barred funny. And I'm like, I could do the penis wag thing there. Cell phones are in a bag. Listen, people like you are pushing back and it's working. Yeah. I feel like we're a year, two years away
Starting point is 00:16:02 from any comedian being able to carry around a penis in their pocket. A severed penis, thank you. Yeah, I feel like we're close to what we had. I mean, this is the same conversation people had with Kaufman. Oh, I know. He loved that severed penis guy. It's like I'm doing like the Tony Clifton. Like I'm not really a necrophilia that goes around
Starting point is 00:16:23 and fucks dead people under the guise of humor I'm a guy that's yeah doing high concept art and it's like I'm suffering for it but you know that's why I'm having you on look no I appreciate it you know the the people just sort of have conversations and you know the squirting flower on the label mm-hmm you know what that used to be before history got whitewashed? That used to be a baby penis. Shhh. And you would be like, do you want to smell my baby penis?
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Starting point is 00:17:22 The first like I did think of you not that you did it but you're one of my friends in New York. Yeah. And so like in Hinduism they say the era that we're in right now is called the Kali Yuga. The Kali Yuga. The age of disintegration and I can't think of a more age of a disintegration moment than... And I don't know, maybe as the story comes out, the guy actually killed the corpse, but I'm guessing the corpse was, like, somehow they were able to distinguish that this corpse wasn't murdered by this dude. But, so I'm just thinking, like... Like... This episode of the DTFH has been brought to you by True Classic Tees. Now you might be asking, why aren't you wearing one right now? And I'll tell you
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Starting point is 00:21:45 Did that necrophiliac think to himself in that moment when he saw the corpse? He's like, holy shit, I just started reading The Secret. This is, the stars are aligned. But you know what I mean? Like when you, when you. Yeah, but if you take this news story and then you tie it in with everything else
Starting point is 00:22:26 that's going on and I did you watch that Netflix documentary about the kid influencers? Not yet. I don't want to watch. I don't want to watch it. Truly, truly evil. So tell me about it, because I just I hate watching now that I have kids. Yeah. Watching shit like that's scary. It's a psychotic mom that was basically dolling up her daughter to make the ex-husband jealous.
Starting point is 00:22:48 Look how successful the daughter is without you. We're succeeding without you. And then it turned into, she basically mediatrained the daughter from birth to be good on camera and then scouted out this girl's friends and family, like cousins, to live in a content house as kids and make content and then off camera the kids are crying and it's like no do it again and then at the same time the majority of the people watching this content are fucking
Starting point is 00:23:16 pedophiles and the mom doesn't care because it gets clicks and likes it's like that is what's what's more evil, fucking a dead corpse or pimping out your children for likes, clicks and shares and robbing them of their childhood so that they can be involved in this nefarious era of narcissism and me me me. And then that kid is completely fucked and has a fucked up relationship with reality for the rest of their life. Right. What's what. But But all these things in tandem are the caliuga of like, it's common. It's there. Well, it's selfishness, right? I mean, what you're looking at is like these extreme mutated versions of hyper selfishness, you know? That being said, not to keep like dwelling on the core subway necrophile
Starting point is 00:24:07 We don't know the whole story. Mm-hmm. So it that could have been his friend. He's like dude I'm a benefit of the doubt guy on the subway. I'll be there Will you please come please? Yeah, but the that's a kinnison joke. Hey, I know I fuck you when you're dead Yeah, is that really a good is a joke? Okay, so the the what you're talking about is Really fascinating me because you know the history of children and new innovations
Starting point is 00:24:42 they always get the short end of the stick, right? Like, children working in factories. Right. Right? Like, whenever there's a new thing, the Industrial Revolution happens, the kids, you just, no one even thought back then. No one thought you shouldn't send your kid to work in a fucking factory, where they're all, the kids just fall in. Yeah, but it's like, at the time, what else are kids gonna do?
Starting point is 00:25:03 Kids get some out of trouble. I don't know, what are they gonna do? Working in. Yeah, but it's like at the time, what else are kids gonna do? Kids are out of trouble. I don't know, what are they? Working in a factory, making friends. Yeah, having bad pals. And you know, you see these pictures of these soot-covered kids after a day. Ripping cigarettes. Ripping cigarettes.
Starting point is 00:25:16 They've worked harder in their eight years than I ever have in my entire life. In this hell realm environment, and you just realize, it's never that great for kids in the sense that you, it just depends on what, there you go. Look at that little guy. Kids in the month.
Starting point is 00:25:35 Hey, I'm smoking a pipe, I'm sore. Having a yolk pipe before I go down in the mines. Arrrr! Arrrr! Nothing like the coal down here. The coal on my face is blacker than anybody. I've yet to grow. There's the pipe boy again with that is so funny.
Starting point is 00:25:51 The pickaxe weighs more than him. Those are cool. I want to hang out with those kids. If I was also a kid now, I'm realizing I'm older than a kid and I wish I didn't say that but then so click on the color picture that is now now we like to imagine that's anything's different and it's like now we've got these kids Digging the pictures a little too black and white if you know what I mean look up child labor and lithium mine. Oh Yeah, I
Starting point is 00:26:18 Mean truly now it's never been easier to be alive at the same time throughout the world There's more people enslaved now that ever There's more child labor than ever. People are living in absolute squalor and suffering now more than ever. But in certain parts of the world, it's like, Hey, it's easy, breezy, beautiful covered. You know, like click, click the kids in the river there with like scooping up mud to the side, Josh, the very far right. Like you see that picture that's up there, France 24. Josh, are you high?
Starting point is 00:26:48 No, it's not. It's like it's got to be fresh. You see that? Yeah, that that just click on any of the pictures. Who cares? People know I'm talking about. And for those of you listening, it's just what you expect. It's kids digging around in some horrific place. Anyway, the point is. The the Kali Yugauga is not quite what people expect because, oh, that's a good picture.
Starting point is 00:27:09 What is that? Hey, is that, what is that, a protest? Let's click on that protest. It's a line for a water slide. Yeah, there you go. Good God. Here it is better not to be boring. Cobalt mining for big tech
Starting point is 00:27:21 is driving child labor deaths in the Congo. So now, if you think about the history of slavery, the idea is you would human traffic these people to do work in the West. Now, it works differently. You're not gonna call it slavery, even though- I mean, now in the West, nobody wants to work anymore. Well, that's the reason.
Starting point is 00:27:49 The reason why is because the technology that we have that is making life so convenient. Being fueled by these poor fucking children. It's just because it's like, it's a different model. You can distance yourself from it a little bit, meaning that you can, non-ironically, post a sanctimonious Instagram message about whatever your environmental message is to the world
Starting point is 00:28:18 or your cultural message is to the world, and ignore the fact that there are bits and pieces in your phone that were dredged out of some hell mine by kids in the Congo. And that's the Kali Yuga. The Kali Yuga is we figured out a way to create a little bubble over here. You don't really see it. It's not like you're going to see CNN, Fox or anybody being like, and let's cut to our life, camera, the lithium mine. Thank you children for giving us the technology. We've got a four year old wearing a GoPro on their head.
Starting point is 00:28:48 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Show us what's going on. Oh, it looks like he fell in a crack. Shit, get the GoPro. But this is the, you know, this is the call you, and so we're seeing all these horrors that are, I mean, really like. But have not these horrors that are, I mean, really, like, but have not these horrors been existing since the dawn of time?
Starting point is 00:29:10 And isn't the idea of evolution and expansion to get away from them? I mean, isn't that just evolution to evolve to a point where you don't have to, I mean, anxiety is an evolutionary trait that helped us survive. And we've gotten away from where we get anxious to let us know that there's a bear near us. And then now we get anxious if we have like an awkward conversation.
Starting point is 00:29:36 You know, it's like, isn't that the goal though to evolve past pain? No. But Now we're evolving to where our life is easier and it's based off the pain of others, but isn't that something that you can't control? Well, I think that so I think in my thinking about this problem, you know, like I'm I'm driving the kid to school today problem. You know, like I'm driving the kid to school today. He's like, do you like flamingos? I'm like, yeah. And I just saw some video of penguins. I'm like, I like penguins too.
Starting point is 00:30:13 And but I didn't tell him that the video that I saw was on Neil deGrasse Tyson's channel. And he was pointing out, you know, the reason these penguins are so clumsy is because they have no natural predators. There's no natural selection happening on land. They have no natural predators on land. So on land, they'll just waddle up to you. They don't, you know what I mean? Whereas like you see the way squirrels behave. Aren't penguins predators like seals? But not on land. Oh. So in the ocean, look at it.
Starting point is 00:30:46 We look at a penguin in the ocean. They're fast, sleek, made for the sea. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because they had to get that way. Because if you're not, you're going to get fucking eaten. Yeah, and then on land it's da da da da da da da da da. Hey, the other guy's da da da da. Boingy boingy.
Starting point is 00:30:59 I look like a nun. So in that narration or commentary he was doing, he's pointing out what we're talking about, which is if you want clumsy penguins, then make it so that they're completely safe and you're gonna get some clumsy fucking penguins via natural selection. You're gonna get some clownish silly birds.
Starting point is 00:31:22 And the moment any kind of new predator emerged there, like if some asshole just dropped off a couple of honey badgers or something, a male and female honey badger, that's it for penguins. They're gonna rip through those fucking penguins. So we've gotta train penguins to mine for lithium. Bingo! Now you got it. And we gotta go to Anarcha and start clubbing penguins to mine for lithium. Bingo! Now we're gonna go to Anarcha and start clubbing penguins
Starting point is 00:31:48 to train them. You know how cool that'd be to look at your phone and be like a fucking penguin mining shit for me and they deserve it because they're slow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Clumsy motherfucker. So so but you know, my kid said, I didn't even mention that shit.
Starting point is 00:32:01 And he's like, but sharks eat penguins. And I'm like, yeah, yeah. And he's like, but sharks eat penguins. And I'm like, yeah, yeah. And he's like, and that's sad. And then I fucked up initially, because I was like, well, I mean, is it sad for the shark? Like, the shark's probably hungry. And he's like, oh yeah. And then I thought about it, I'm like, no, you're right.
Starting point is 00:32:21 That is sad. What am I doing? I'm trying to create some Machiavellian like Child here like no, there was a component of sadness in the natural order of things and how to Mitigate that and deal with it without you know, fucking everything up in other words, like what are we gonna do? Let's imagine if we had police in Africa, but there were animal police. And we made it illegal for the lions to eat gazelle. We found a way to create- To keep the gazelle safe?
Starting point is 00:32:51 To keep the gazelle safe, we discovered a way to easily grow plant-based gazelle meat that we drive around and throw it to the lions. And anytime a lion's about to get a gazelle, we have some mechanism, a taser, I a lion's about to get a gazelle, we have some mechanism, a taser, I don't know, to protect the gazelle. You will create fucked up gazelle and fucked up lion
Starting point is 00:33:14 the moment you do that. I guess I wanted to ask, when do you introduce the concept of sadness to a child? Because you need sadness to grow. Pain is a fertilizer for growth. And it's like, I think what we're seeing is people are living in a safer time now more than ever. And I know people to this day, they've never faced death.
Starting point is 00:33:35 Like my age, like, yeah, no one in my life's ever died. And then they're 48 years old and their grandmother dies at 98 and they're just grief stricken. Like, I can't believe this is and it's like I Don't know. I mean I have a warped view of it because my dad died when I was eight so I was introduced to like pain early and it's like I have a fucked up way of thinking of like You know people either have not lived through pain so they create their own so that they have to then use that as like almost like a stealth empathizer to feel like they are more in touch with things
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Starting point is 00:39:07 these gazelles that have been manipulated to where they the lion doesn't come after them. And it's like you need the lions to make the gazelle tougher. You need pain and suffering. You need to be on your own. You need to be walking around and face the world so that it'll harden you for the realities of life later. And I feel like you either have one way of looking at it. Those things make you harder and make you more empathetic and understanding and give you better perspective or it angers you and makes you have a chip on your shoulder towards the world. I don't know the answer. I only know what happened to me and I had that anger for a while and I kind of evolved past it, but it took a while.
Starting point is 00:39:49 But is that not life? The struggle and the battling your way through to get to the other side? Well, you know, the, I also have a myopic view of it. I can only see things through my eyes. And I try to get in the dead dad club, you know, you live in a different world. Like once you, once you, and it is a designer, like there's a designer reality that people live in. And the designer reality is based on whatever the algorithm is serving you.
Starting point is 00:40:19 So and whatever your social media platform is, and whatever algorithm they're using, it produces a designer style reality for you where you via the algorithm have filtered out some infinite amount of content and zoomed in on some other bit of content. And then if you look at the ecosystem of the modern human, and by ecosystem I mean like that, the habitat, and I don't just mean physical habitat, I think now we can argue that digital space is a physical habitat. So you see we roam in certain meadows, I guess you could say.
Starting point is 00:40:56 And so what I've noticed across the board is that in general, most of the habitat that we're in does not address mortality in the way you would expect a mortal species to address it. So we know there's death, we hear about death on the news, we make love to corpses on the subway from time to time, but we don't seem, until you actually encounter it firsthand, it's very easy to live in a bubble where you don't really think you're immortal.
Starting point is 00:41:38 But via not really addressing the fact that something supersedes all the cultural machinations that you're obsessed with. And that is that in some uncertain moment, someone you love or you are gonna drop dead. And until you really address that as much as you can bear, then you will be a wobbly penguin via just that. And I don't think humans need people chasing them in the streets or anything to become fully human,
Starting point is 00:42:17 but we already have the most incredible predator in the universe, death. It's a modular predator. It might come as an aneurysm, a heart attack. You might get beaten to death, stabbed to death, set on fire, the sun might supernova, nuclear, but the list goes on and on and on. But via ignoring that, you think that you are being positive
Starting point is 00:42:44 or that it's a modeling thing to stare that in the eye when in reality that thing is the evolutionary force that you must address if you really want to live. And that's why Neem Kuralibaba would say, love everyone, serve everyone, remember God. But some people think that he actually meant love everyone, serve everyone, remember you're going to die. And that we carry death on our shoulder, meaning that you must live in the consciousness of how precious human life is and how at any second it could go away.
Starting point is 00:43:25 Yeah, and Dave Matthews said, eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow we die. Dude, and I would, I mean, I can't show it. I'll get, I would show you my new tattoo, but again, the media mobs. I can't show my ball. That is ridiculous. Because I have on my remaining testicle,
Starting point is 00:43:42 I have that tattooed. I love that. Very small tattoo. I would like to read it like Braille Dude, it is bread. That's a great idea. Holy shit I wonder if I could get some kind of Braille implant on my remaining testicle that says For tomorrow we die And Dave Matthews man also said don't drink the water and it's like well You can't pick and choose am I gonna drink the water and die or
Starting point is 00:44:05 He meant piss ah drink if you Drink well, I'm out on that too. I already already went against that today. Yeah. Yeah, you got it well, I I you know I I live in this pocket of like it's I struggle with it because again like you're talking about the natural predator of death and I feel like And I'm just looking through it through the guys of like annoying whites I look at like annoying whites and they don't have a lot of death facing them head-on You think it's just the whites? Well, I feel like it's it's this twofold thing where a lot of whites look at conflict throughout the world
Starting point is 00:44:43 And they're like this is happening in death, but because they haven't had death face them, face to face, nose to nose, they look at these other deaths as this horrific thing and it's horrible and it is, but at the same time, if you've dealt with real death and real face to face trauma, you're like, hey, shit happens.
Starting point is 00:45:04 If anything, you learn that it's out of your control, empathize, but also like there's not really nothing like you can do, but change the environment around you. And then I look to like, you know, inner city blacks, and it's just so fucking heartbreaking that because they are faced with so many horrific traumas and deaths from an early age and just like the systems have been around them. They end up becoming like dead eyed nihilists to where it's like, yeah, nothing matters. And they realize in the education system, they're just pawns.
Starting point is 00:45:36 So it's like, why am I going to do anything but just not give a fuck? And then you're seeing kids younger and younger be disaffected and then act out in a way that like I mean dude all the Fucking murders and shootings in New York are like young kids Yeah and also they're smart and they know that once they turn 18 all the charges drop because Everything gets kicked up to child court, right? And it just pisses me off that you know people being an uproar about you know X Y & Z going on in another country It's like I guess because maybe I taught and I see like the faces of the kids I taught on all these kids that are
Starting point is 00:46:09 being affected by gang violence in every city and it's like nobody's screaming out for these poor fucking kids and I think a lot of it is like well I'm not allowed to speak on that because I'm not that race and I'm like in trouble but it's like that's so fucking heartbreaking. But everybody cares about what happens to like brown kids in another country. But when it happens to black kids and ours, they're like, well, I'm not going to touch that.
Starting point is 00:46:31 Yeah. And it's like that is a horrific thing that's going on right now. Yeah. And it seems like people get in an uproar every once in a while. But then when like legitimate tragedy is happening at their back door, they're like,
Starting point is 00:46:43 wow, there's nothing really I can do. Well, you know, there's a, people just don't have community anymore. And, you know, if you've ever been to like Burning Man, you realize the horror of war in the reverse, because you see like why people get really like addicted to war and why when people come back from a war, they're like, what the fuck, this isn't even life.
Starting point is 00:47:08 Because one thing that's happening when you're at war is community, this intense life or death connections happening with the people around you. You're experiencing the amazing thing that can happen where, and you see it in sports too, you see when you're experiencing the amazing thing that can happen where, and you see it in sports too, you see like when you're watching like an incredible basketball team and you realize, oh, that's not one person, that's a group mind.
Starting point is 00:47:34 You're looking at a super organism made up of a bunch of different people. They're practically telepathic. It's synced up and like working together. And that must feel incredible too. The feeling of being part of that must be amazing. And so humans are, we do that. That's one of the things we do when we're in groups
Starting point is 00:47:50 is we congeal into a group mind. And so in that experience, when it's positive, it's transcendent. It's, you realize like, oh my God, there's not much of a separation between me and you. And so when you're looking at like the violent forms that that takes, I think really what you're seeing is like, you know, what else is being offered here?
Starting point is 00:48:16 Like people are gonna be magnetized towards something real and it must feel real to be in a gang. It must feel real. And suddenly you get the experience of living in something that feels more like reality than the synthetic, you know, padded, nerfed kind of corpo reality that is being sold to people as reality reality.
Starting point is 00:48:44 And so I get it. I think a lot of community comes from this like desire for a pat on the back or just like a parents love, you know, in the sense of like, you know, a lot of, a lot of, you know, gangs or whatever. It's like, you're coming from a single family home. There's a group of guys that are like, Hey, do this and I'll be proud of you. And it's like, okay. Like I think everybody is just,
Starting point is 00:49:09 maybe again, it's through my lens, but I think everybody throughout their life is just searching for some form of community and reinforcement of being loved. And instead of feeling like the words of I love you, I love you comes from different forms of action. Like being involved in an online community, you get that affirmation through like a like or a share.
Starting point is 00:49:30 Like, and a lot of times it's negative, but it's still that reinforcement of, you know, if you're like all shitting on something that is a net positive because you're all working together to shit on this one thing, even though the thing you're doing is negative. And it's just reinforcement of like, you're liked, you're all working together to shit on this one thing, even though the thing you're doing is negative, and it's just reinforcement of like, you're liked, you're welcome.
Starting point is 00:49:47 And it's a matter of finding your community, but finding a positive community, and that's so much harder than finding the base negative and then bonding over that. Does that make sense? Oh yeah, and where I get woo-woo with this line of thinking is that, fine, you found a community.
Starting point is 00:50:09 You found people who, I don't know, collect stamps or whatever, crochet or whatever the fuck it is. And that's fine. But I feel like that going back to what we were talking about earlier, which is if you want to look at the real they live reality that we're in, remember they live? You put the glasses on, you could see what they eat, consume.
Starting point is 00:50:39 So you catch a glimpse of that, anyone will. But you don't wanna believe that could be true. You don't wanna believe that you're just a herd animal. Manipulating a cog, yeah. So you seek the solace of something that would, instead of deny that is happening, make that seem okay. To deal with the cognitive dissonance. And so to get back
Starting point is 00:51:05 to being a happy consumer versus a paranoid consumer, someone who's like, something doesn't seem quite right here. And so those communities like that will form. And but I think that step number one is stop ignoring the reality of things, even though you don't have to tell anyone you're thinking these things, by the way. In fact, maybe it's better not to, but if you've caught that glimpse, that's good. Don't be afraid.
Starting point is 00:51:38 But then step two would be a simple question. Is this all there is? Is there just these mortal, easily manipulated beings on the planet that are being puppeteered by increasingly effective technological propaganda to step in line and harmonize in a way that's safe for the power structures that exist, is that all there is? Is that all there is?
Starting point is 00:52:13 Is it? And then that's where you go into nihilism. And actually, nihilism serves that force more than anything, because if really that's all there is, if there's nothing after this, nothing but for it, then fuck yeah, dude. Get what you can while you're here. Profit, fucking enjoy. And, cause really you're just a mode of sentient meat
Starting point is 00:52:39 floating in the void of space, blah, blah, blah, blah, in this mode of thinking, well, who does it serve? It serves oil companies, because it's like, yeah, fuck the environment. Who cares about anything? What the fuck, none of this matters anyway. What the fuck? Well, wasn't that like the 80s?
Starting point is 00:52:56 They had no forward thinking. It was just like now, now, now. Greed is good. Yeah, and now we're suffering all the consequences. So I think if you can successfully argue that we live in a godless void, and I'm not saying you need a theistic point of view to have any kind of humanist morality,
Starting point is 00:53:18 but it doesn't hurt. But if you can successfully argue that, then I think the next question becomes, well then what is the idea here? What's the point of this thing, right? And so somewhere along the line, some version of hedonism takes precedent over service, over helping, or most importantly, it's like having this incredible Wi-Fi connection in your brain, which is the connection to the transcendent metaphysical superintelligence that I think all of this stuff exploded from
Starting point is 00:53:51 and not using it. So if you're not picking up the phone, there won't be a next step for you other than like trying to scratch an itch in the wrong place. And that is buying shit, getting those likes, fucking as much as you possibly can. All the things we all try to do. It's great. I say, go for it. I tried. I tried. And it does distract you for sure. And I'll create a lot of drama to distract you even more.
Starting point is 00:54:18 And that's really good. If the if you don't want to confront the reality of your inevitable annihilation, what better than eating someone's ass for a few hours on MDMA and then getting an argument with them after about how you don't listen? You know, man. So so to me, I think step one is a deep, honest, nonpublic internal interrogation, asking yourself, is there anything other than me? Is there a higher intelligence? And then reach out to that. And then via that, something else will start happening that you can't predict.
Starting point is 00:54:59 Because, and then that leads you into certain situations and communities that have a focus not on the temporary, fleeting, transient, worldly phenomena and on something else. And there's so many different forms of that out there. And that I think is where you start really experiencing the kind of liberation you are seeking in all the other forms. Well, that, what you just mentioned and spoke about,
Starting point is 00:55:28 that's like the main tenant of, and I'm just gonna say it because I think it's important to make people aware that there's a place to go that's better, but that is like the main tenant of Alcoholics Anonymous and Programs of Recovery. That is exactly the backbone of all of that is to get out of self, privately look with a clean lens at all of the garbage and everything that's going on, cleanse yourself of it with the higher purpose of helping someone else do the same. And in that,
Starting point is 00:56:03 that's like, like the main goal of AA is to maintain a conscious contact with a higher power. And that's just some, that turns people off and people go, God, no, I can't. But it's almost like that higher power is that higher form of consciousness of living every moment in the now and taking in and figuring out how can I take this moment to serve someone else? And that's so hard to do because all these distractions and sometimes you grab it and you hold on to it and it feels so good. But then it's so fleeting, but you almost have to let it flow through you and then, okay, this again. And that's like, I never feel
Starting point is 00:56:41 better than when I'm helping someone else. And when I am not talking about me and not obsessing about me and not obsessing about that, but when I'm in this moment and I almost like, dude, when I was teaching and I was explaining something and like it clicked with a student, I would get this chill from the tip of my toes to the top of my head. And I got that feeling, I would get this chill from the tip of my toes to the top of my head. And I got that feeling when I would take my first sip of alcohol. And I got that feeling when I would,
Starting point is 00:57:13 you know, when you like rip a new tag on a joke on stage, or like something comes out the right way, and I would get that same feeling. And I get that same feeling when I help someone else. And we make that connection. And I think the goal is to always maintain that connection. But in order to do that, you have to rip out all this sludge and get rid of those distractions. But what you just said is like so important and the goal, but it's so hard because you have all these outside influences. But if you can like, whap, whap, whap, whap, whap, whap, whap, whap, whap, block them off and then maintain that conscious contact with a higher being, higher purpose, higher feeling,
Starting point is 00:57:55 I think that is, like, I never feel better than when that's going on. And I always feel better when I leave a meeting than when I walked into it. And I want, with my standup, for people to leave feeling better than when they came to the show. And I feel like those are things when I feel it and I grab onto it, I feel infinite. And then it slips through my hands and I concentrate on the fact that it went away.
Starting point is 00:58:22 But it's like, it always come back. Yeah, it'll always come back. It'll always come back. But for me, I feel like that's such a better service of time to be constantly trying to bring it back to the now and not now me, but now you. How can I serve this? How can I serve that? Like being around you is such a joy
Starting point is 00:58:42 because you immediately bring it to the other person with like a, you can feel this energy. And this is such a little thing, but I'll never forget one of the first times we were texting, you used a bunch of exclamation points to show like excitement. And I was like, this feels good.
Starting point is 00:59:01 I can understand that they're excited and I believe that they're excited. And so now I try to do that. And it's not what you can take away, but what you can bring. And I try to bring a good energy. But then on the other hand, when I'm alone, I like just sulk and I need to work on having that when I'm alone, because when I'm alone is when I'm in a bad way. Yeah. But when I'm around others, I feel like so good. And I've looked to you for how to do that because I see the energy you bring to other people.
Starting point is 00:59:32 Well, thank you, man. And also your constant search for consciousness and contact with something out there rather than self. I'm going to tell you a quick story. It's a dream I had. So I was walking on the beach with Jesus. And this episode of the DTFH is brought to you by BetterHelp. You know what?
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Starting point is 01:02:47 Thank you, Byron. Basically, like, you know, I was hurting really bad. And I call the story footprints. I was hurting really bad. And I was looking back at the footprints from when I was hurting really bad, and I only saw one set of footprints. Where was Jesus's footprints, right? And so then ran into Jesus up the beach. And I'm like, hey, you know, when I was feeling really bad,
Starting point is 01:03:26 I noticed that you seemed to have split because I only saw one set of footprints. And Jesus said to me, actually those were my footprints because I was carrying you. And I said, well, honestly though, if we go back and do a forensic analysis of the two sets of footprints,
Starting point is 01:03:41 you'll see I'm a 10 and a half. And the other set of footprints which is your yours is or a Twelve thank and God you just turned it to funny I went off on this fucking what's for it's a diet drive. No you know I love you. No, I'm gonna get back to it I Know now listen listen I said to Jesus. Yes? Now look.
Starting point is 01:04:08 What'd you say to Jesus? Well, I said, let's take a look at these footprints. And I had some of my friends come out from the movie industry. We did molds. And I was able to prove verifiably that in fact, those were my feet. This is quite a dream.
Starting point is 01:04:22 Those were my feet, not Jesus's feet. I was walking alone and it appeared, I'm like, so you are gaslighting me? And he's like, I'm God. I split you into two people and you carried yourself. And I woke up weeping, you know? And from that dream, I learned something. Yes. Weeping. You know? And from that dream I learned something.
Starting point is 01:04:47 Sometimes Jesus has the same size shoes as me. But Ian, I… Anywhere is Nike Monarchs. Air Monarchs. Yes! I do thank you for saying that. And it means the world to me. And my feeling these days is that people,
Starting point is 01:05:15 everyone looks at the world, there's so many people who are so sad right now. And they're so- Justifiably so. Yes. And, but I understand why. And it's not just the set of phenomena. It's the nihilism.
Starting point is 01:05:30 It's that, you know. Could you call it narcissistic nihilism? I think nihilism and narcissism go like peanut butter and jelly. It's like, again, if we're gonna live in an empty, and it is delicious, but if we're gonna live in an empty—and it is delicious—but if we're going to live in an empty, like, non—if we're going to live in a void of consumerism, and you are fully certain of this, then what else do you have but yourself? And why wouldn't you worship yourself? It's the only thing you're making contact with in this infinite void.
Starting point is 01:06:06 And so of course, all the things that we look at and feel bad about in other people, when you really sort of trace that, we follow it upstream, you realize, well, everyone is being just bombarded with data that has an agenda and the agenda is inevitably based on some state model or some corpo model that's trying to get you to act in a certain way to make money. And this is a, it's like, look at the stock market.
Starting point is 01:06:47 Oh my God. Do you know Abby Hoffman is, Abby, I think it's, will you look up Abby Hoffman activist? This is one of the funniest. Oh, I thought this was the girl from Love on the Spectrum. Dude, I've gotta watch it. Bro. Is it good? It is so heartwarming and wonderful.
Starting point is 01:07:02 And I want the love that they experience with each other. It's such an innocent, joyful, whoa, what's this? That's Abbie Hoffman. He is a social activist. And so one of the most amazing things I've ever heard of anyone doing is a form of activism. He went to the New York Stock Exchange and he dumped bags of money onto the traders.
Starting point is 01:07:32 So all of a sudden in the New York Stock Exchange, money's falling down. The traders stopped trading to grab the money falling out of the air. And he literally for a few minutes shuts down the New York Stock Exchange by dumping money on it. And so that level of culture jamming to me is so brilliant because it's pointing out that this is idolatry.
Starting point is 01:08:03 And nobody wants to talk about this, it seems like, because we want to believe we don't live in an age where people worship idols. But I can't think of a more incredible modern deity than the New York Stock Exchange. It's a temple. In the morning at temples, what do they do? Ding-a-ding-a-ding! They ring a bell. At night, they ding-a They ring a bell at night. They have the golden bull. Wasn't that in the Bible? Yes, yes. Like it's a temple. It's a temple and within the temple
Starting point is 01:08:34 there's a god and the god if the god turns green everyone's happy. If the god turns red everyone's happy. If the God turns red, people will literally kill themselves for the God. They'll jump at, just like people used to throw themselves under the wheels of fucking massive carts carrying deities, just like the Aztecs did. Everyone loves to think we're so modern. When the deity turns red,
Starting point is 01:09:03 people try to fly, maybe they jump and they shoot and they poison themselves because the deity is red. Did his deity turn red because he killed himself? Well, Diddy. Whoa. Yeah, I don't know. Diddy, bad guy.
Starting point is 01:09:19 Come on, you know I love him so much, dear friend of mine. But this is like so interesting. So this is a roundabout way of saying, like if you don't like the word idolatry because it sounds antiquated, think in terms of fast food. If you're eating shitty food, you're gonna get sick over time. If you're eating like 7-Eleven hot dogs
Starting point is 01:09:45 for six months straight, I can't even imagine. I would if I was in Norway. They have the best 7-Eleven hot dogs in Norway, Bergen, Norway, shout out. Yes, I thought it was a joke when everyone, when I toured Europe, everyone was like, you have to eat the 7-Eleven hot dog in Norway. Can you pull up 7-eleven hot dog?
Starting point is 01:10:05 No, it's it's what they're known for. It's you are look that is not I I thought it was a prank I thought it was like go to the 7-eleven in Norway as for a hot dog you do it then this is like someone saying There's faster than light travel there. It's not possible. Let's go to Norway now. Hmm. Well, well, yeah So I'm curious based on the size of the hot dog, the man's penis, bigger or smaller, the one that you defiled? No, why don't I show you? No, no, no.
Starting point is 01:10:37 Okay, all right, sorry. Okay, in Norway, 7-Eleven is a common place to buy hot dogs, often special offers. Hey, I had done special offers. Hey, I had to write for AI. Yeah. It's like, if it's sentient, imagine being sentient and you have to like do it. Dude, type in, are 7-eleven hot dogs good in Norway?
Starting point is 01:10:58 I don't buy it. There's only one way to find out too. You can't like have one of those shipped. Yes! 7-Eleven hot dogs in Norway are generally considered good and popular. How? Dude.
Starting point is 01:11:11 I don't know. I don't know. You know when you walk into a 7-Eleven, and I don't blame anybody working at a 7-Eleven for not keeping up with the hot dogs, but you walk in there and one's been rolling too long, and there's that smell of burnt, burning hot dog, rolling on that fucking thing.
Starting point is 01:11:28 It ain't good. It ain't good, it ain't good. But that to me is the upstream problem right now is that people have been eating 7-Eleven hot dogs, which is whatever, you know, the, is being slopped out. Oh yeah. And in that story, a new kind of religion emerges
Starting point is 01:11:55 where the self becomes the nexus point of all importance, which obviously this is a catastrophic philosophy if we live in a world with other people, but it's exactly what cancer cells think, you know? all-importance, which obviously this is a catastrophic philosophy if we live in a world with other people, but it's exactly what cancer cells think, you know, it's like it's all about me, baby. I got an idea. Hey, I'm gonna innovate a new way to do this liver thing. Hey, check it out. And then, you know, next thing you know, you got tumors because some fucking cancer cell wanted to be a ring.
Starting point is 01:12:24 Yes, and so so, you know in the small and in the big it's a fucked up Mode of being basically a cancer. Well, it's a way to become a cancerous thing and And in the same way that if you if you have managed to cut yourself off completely from the totality of all things of which you're a part, if you don't recognize you're part of a universal superorganism, then the cancer cell also has no, if the cancer cell could think, it's not thinking. Like, I think this is gonna fuck up this body that I'm part of. No, it's like, hey, check out this reel I just put up. Yeah, yeah. Look at this content.
Starting point is 01:13:07 Yeah, yeah. Cancer turns your body into a content house for tumors. That's what it does. Cancer would most definitely take selfies if it could. You wouldn't need to get an MRI. You just go to its TikTok and it's like, look at this, do what I made, it's beautiful. Cancer's doing TikTok dances while your body's rotting. Yeah. You wouldn't need to get an MRI. You just go to its TikTok and it's like, look at this, do what I mean, it's beautiful.
Starting point is 01:13:25 Dancers doing TikTok dances while your body's rotting. Yeah. That's cool. That thing I've always loved about AA and the 12 step program is that it's like an emergent spiritual lineage born from what in the old days, I think you would call demonic possession, but it's an antidote to the possession.
Starting point is 01:13:48 Well, it's like this spiritual experience. That's what you talked about. The goal is to have this like experience. And that's the goal to have this like spiritual experience that then you're constantly searching for by doing the thing that got you there, which is to go through this house cleaning and then this helping of other people clean their houses. But also at the same time, it's like people use psychedelics to experience the same thing. And so it's like, I struggle with whatever
Starting point is 01:14:15 way you get there is good or like, no, you have to do it this way, you know, like, um, but I think the goal is to have that experience to then understand that your purpose is not you, it's for others. I guess. What do you mean you struggle with it? Well, I struggle with like, you know, like when people are, they're like,
Starting point is 01:14:38 oh, I'm sober, but they like smoke weed. Or they're like, oh, I'm sober, but I do psychedelics to like get me, you know, X, Y, Z. And I'm like, no, you should be sober and go through this through a spiritual experience through the work. You're taking a shortcut. But then if you look at the history, a Bill Wilson, you know, did acid to have this experience. And then he based this work off of searching for that spiritual experience he got through acid. So it's like, who the fuck am I? I have my way and I fail at it a lot and I'm constantly trying to do it and I'm constantly falling short. And then maybe it's a part of
Starting point is 01:15:16 jealousy where I'm like, oh fuck, I wish I could just do acid and get it. But I'm too worried that if I were to step out and do a psychedelic that I'd go off on a fucking bad way, you know? Yeah. And so maybe I always look at like, what am I disliking and why? And it always goes back to me. I'm disliking something that you're doing because I see it in me and I'm doing like a like kind of blaming something else rather than looking at me and going, oh, I need to fix the thing that I don't like in you. And instead I'm just focusing on what I don't like. Does that make sense?
Starting point is 01:15:51 Yeah, absolutely. I think- Like everything I hate, I think I see in myself. And it's easier just to point the blame than to look at myself and go, fuck, I exhibit that trait. I've had sober friends. I've had sober friends in the program Knowing my love for psychedelics who have you know reached out to me?
Starting point is 01:16:12 Almost like they want me to give them permission to take a psychedelic. Yeah, and I always say like if you feel like there's like a 1% chance this If you feel like there's like a one percent chance that this gets you back to the you that I knew when you were dying, I don't know if it's worth it. Like that it's a sort of risk to reward thing. Totally. You're sober now.
Starting point is 01:16:38 You somehow climbed out of a pit and when anyone who's had a friend get sucked into that pit yeah it's the most it's definitely on par with watching someone die of cancer or something it's it's it's maybe more annoying but also with cancer you can go hey I'll go with you to chemo to address this hey yeah let's go to the doctor hey you recognize your body's falling apart? You know that you're gonna go get treatment, but with alcoholism and addiction, you're like, hey, I see this thing that is hurting
Starting point is 01:17:16 and I know a way for you to get help. And they're like, no, get the fuck away from me. I'm not going to do this. It's like, you can take a horse of water, but you can't force it to stop shooting heroin. Yeah, I tried, I've tried. What's so awful when your horses get on heroin, dude? It's a horrible ride.
Starting point is 01:17:35 They fall asleep on the trail. They nod out. But someone dying from most other diseases, you don't have to call them like, did you steal my car? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm pretty sure you stole my car. But the,
Starting point is 01:17:52 so, you know, I always say, dude, talk to your sponsor about this one, man. This is not, like, I'm not. Or just like your sober network. And that's a very addicty thing. I'll kick ideas around them, like my friends that are sober,
Starting point is 01:18:10 and they're like, are you stupid? Like, no, don't do that. Like, the last thing was like, I think I'm gonna, I haven't taken my meds in a little bit, and I think I'm gonna stop. This is, it's not good. I like the way I'm feeling. And they're like, dude, take a step back, go back on your meds.
Starting point is 01:18:27 Are you kidding me? Yeah, that. And generally, one of the qualities of addiction behavior is you wanna blame someone else. Also, it's you wanna be in the director's chair. You want everything to be you. I'm choosing, I'm doing this, I'm doing that. One of the best things I ever things I ever heard in a meeting and I cackled and everyone looked at me like I was crazy. Some guy goes, I'm not working on myself. You know, my favorite song is me, me, me, me, me. God, it's the worst. It's the worst.
Starting point is 01:19:10 worse. Well, and this is the, uh, but I, I, sorry to cut you off, but I don't do during the pandemic, things got really fucking bad for me. And I looked into mushrooms therapy and the, the place I found was like, so you get the mushrooms, you do them. And then we talk about your experience. And I was like, Oh no, I thought I was going to be in a room on mushrooms with a therapist like talking me through this. You're leaving me left to my own devices. I get to go get a bag, I get to do it, and then I tell you about it.
Starting point is 01:19:33 That's the most ingenious business model I've ever heard in my life. I know, I know. And they're like, here's a number you can call to get the mushrooms. Go get, yeah, oh my God. Oh my God. But, you know, all that being said,
Starting point is 01:19:45 I think, cause I have diabetes and I had to get on a Zempig for the actual reason. And seeing how whatever the fuck this is doing didn't just make it so my blood sugar got back to normal, but that also the addictive eating patterns I had just went away. Like, you know, it's lint, my family's off sugar, which is really hilarious for a diabetic because they're like, just a couple more days and we can have some cake.
Starting point is 01:20:16 And I'm like, oh, great, wow, good job. Did you make it a month? I'll die if I eat that shit. But that's all I am what people do, sober October. Like, oh, is it tough? Exactly. Yeah. And, but, I make that joke, but the reality is like, I don't care as much anymore. Like, I don't, I can look at Oreos, Skittles, cake,
Starting point is 01:20:45 and not really have the, like, you know, when there's cookies at the house, like, there'd be some part of my mind that knew exactly where they were in the pantry. And I would look at the cookies and be like, oh, you're gonna make it like maybe a day. Oh, yeah. And so to see how a lot of the guilt and shame
Starting point is 01:21:09 and shit that people who overeat that I was feeling seems to be mitigated by something in, by a medicine. It's somehow this fucking thing is actually, it just reminds me of when I was a kid, I see it with my kids. You know what they'll do? They'll just stop eating. They'll leave, they'll eat until they're full,
Starting point is 01:21:36 and they're like, I don't wanna eat anymore. You know, like, you should eat some more because you're gonna be hungry. No, I'm not hungry. And that's how people are supposed to be, but that goes away, and you eat even, the signals go away to tell you you're full and then so When you and this is the new conversation around a zempik and all that whole class of drugs is that this is a neurological Issue that we've been like you fat fucking piece of shit. Why do you eat all that fucking cake?
Starting point is 01:22:02 You stupid and it's like no you don't understand their brain is telling them they're hungry well especially because everything they put in the food is Definitely manipulating that as well. I mean we all have millions of microplastics in our balls now It's like I fucking when I die it'd be better to recycle me and put me in the ground And the brain yeah showing up in the brain. Oh, isn't that wild? And the brain. Yeah. It's showing up in the brain. Oh yeah, it's everywhere. It's everywhere. We're being poisoned at every single turn in our lives, whether it's mentally, spiritually, physically.
Starting point is 01:22:33 Everything is poisoning us. And everything we put in our body is not just content of food. It's content of ideas and content of content. And it's like, dude, you got to filter out that fucking poison as Above so below it's like you see physical manifestations of cultural trends and I can't think of a better embodiment of the the the disintegration of
Starting point is 01:22:59 community and culture then Plastic showing up in our brains. our balls, our gut, everywhere, right? It's, it's, it's that, that is the physical manifestation of an, of a, of a... I gotta get some microplastics. Oh yeah, me too. Jesus Christ. Yeah, the, the, so that leaves us with what I think is the number one job right now is first do the analysis. Don't listen to us idiots yapping about this. Do the analysis yourself.
Starting point is 01:23:39 Watch they live. You know, do the analysis. Invest in sunglasses, invest in fucking sunglasses, do the analysis and then if if or if you've already done the analysis and you're feeling nihilistic from the analysis, which is the unfortunate walk around with a shotgun and shoot people you think are aliens. I'm working up to that dude. Sorry. Well, no.
Starting point is 01:24:05 Well, the subway fucking necrophot. You know, I think that's your training, because you just got to the point. I'm meander and you're like, just get to the fucking point. You know what we have to do. There's a war. There's aliens. They look like humans. Jokey. Yeah. Ha ha. Like a dead man's penis in my pocket.
Starting point is 01:24:24 There is a cock in his pocket. It's just not dead Dude there was a kid in like fourth grade who would cut a hole in his pocket and his girlfriend would come up and jerk His dick off at the water fountain Wow, I thought that was so cool. And you know what happened? Kids dead now. From what? Floor in the water. Put him on a bad path.
Starting point is 01:24:51 Send him down a bad path. That's how what he thought life was gonna be like. If you're getting jerked off in fourth grade, it's like, what else is there? You've already reached peak feeling. You're never gonna be able to go to a water fountain without getting an erection. Yeah. He's got the weirdest fetish of all time. You're never gonna be able to yeah, you never search at our water fountain without getting an erection
Starting point is 01:25:13 He's got the weirdest fetish of all he's just going up to the airport to get that water in the bottle and he's just like Oh, I'm gonna bust. Why do you have a water fountain in your bedroom? Thursday night, I just get Thursday night. Why do you carry around a camel backpack? You're going to bars Weird no, I'm not gonna tattoo a water fountain on my feet And you're the best man, you're the rapid up moon tower you got shows coming up Oh, yeah, I'm everywhere man. I'm on the road till you're working your ass off. Do you got so many fucking dates? That's awesome. I'm out, man. I am in Philly, May 16th and 17th.
Starting point is 01:25:49 I am in Rochester, May 8th and 10th. Uh, the 22nd I am in Charleston, South Carolina. Then I'm in Atlanta, the 23rd and 24th. Um, all over Ian finance.com. So funny. You're being in Jordan is a podcast out everyone's in YouTube Which is killing it by the way. Yeah, it's really fun man. You I'd love for you to come and do it in any Oh, dude, I'd love to I love your podcast. Oh, thanks the algorithm loves your podcast because it's always showing me your pocket
Starting point is 01:26:18 It's really cool. I love it when I feed it's working. It's working. Plastic good. Yes, yes, plastic good. Awesome. I love you, buddy. Love you too. Thank you. Thank you. That was Ian Fidance, everybody. Go to his shows. The link to his podcast is gonna be in the comments, wherever you find this.
Starting point is 01:26:41 And I love you and I'll see you next week. Until then, Hare Krishna. Bye.

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