Duncan Trussell Family Hour - 685: Ruby Setnik

Episode Date: April 26, 2025

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Welcome back, everybody! Boy, is this a great episode with a brilliantly funny comedian, Ruby Setnick. This is her second episode of the DTFH. I've been taking her on the road. If you have a chance to see her out there, you must go see her perform. She is a star.

And you can see her perform. This upcoming weekend, we will be performing at the Emerald City Comedy Club in Seattle. You can find tickets at dunkintrussell.com. And now everybody welcome, Ruby Sednik. Ruby, good to see you. You too. You know what?

We were talking about this before the podcast, but I think I have a way to connect it to something I'd love to talk to you about. OK. All right, so I mentioned this earlier. But I think I have a way to connect it to something I'd love to talk to you about. Okay. Alright, so I mentioned this earlier. One of my kids likes that MGMT song that... Boop boop boop boop boop boop.

And so, you know you hear songs over and over. Yeah. But you don't ever really explore the band or the song or anything about it, but it's omnipresent for a while. So I'm like, what the fuck is that song? And like, I found out the craziest thing. MGMT were like two friends from college

and they were into weird fucking music. Like they're into like psychedelic like 70s music and stuff and so yeah pull up MGMT college performance yeah. So look at this. This is like before they really broke out Now I wish we could play the music I guess we can't whatever just play just check it out But wait, that's not it Josh. That's a different song Go back to the the song that they Kids that's it you might have to skip forward. So this I'm pretty sure is like pre fame. They're at Harvard. They've been playing music in like, you know, frat houses.

Are they Harvard students? I think so. It's so cool. You know, like, now imagine. It also feels like they're karaoke-ing their own songs. I know, well, I could be. They might have already been famous, I'm not sure. But, you know, what I read is they're in college together. I don't know the exact timeline here. Oh, yeah, they look young.

They're young, so... They, this is, this song, which you couldn't go anywhere in Los Angeles without hearing that song for like at least a year. Had already gotten popular around Harvard. People were listening to it. And then they go on tour with, I don't know, an already established band.

And then after that tour, whatever happened on the tour, their experience of touring, they were like done. All right, we're done. One of them was maybe gonna become a guitarist for the band. Somebody from Columbia Records saw them. It was like, hey, we got to do an album. And that song, they wanted that song on the album. And they're like, no, we are so done playing that song on the album and they're like no we are so done playing that song we

wrote that song as Joke is the joke. Did you know that? They just wanted to make pop music they and they were like, I think it's easy to make a hip-hop music song And they make it and it becomes one of the most famous songs so frustrating and they have to play it forever what started is like just you know I rolly like they went on to do that a few more times like they ended up in these and I could be wrong about this but they I believe they ended up in like a contract that they didn't like and

they felt spiteful about it And so they just they were like we have to write this additional album So they just like jerked off and made like something that they thought was a joke and then it was again a very successful Yes, like amazing piece of art. They're like, oh you want me to make trash The people like yeah, okay, we'll fucking do that. And Columbia Records is like, great. Oh, hurt our feelings now, please don't make popular music. It's like when assholes try their best

and when geniuses try their worst I think it makes about the same type of thing. They just make middle of the road accessible stuff. Yes, yes. So they released an album, which is what they wanted to make. And of course it's not as popular. They knew it wasn't gonna be as popular.

The fans who like, you know, would play this at sorority houses or whatever the fuck, they were horrified at the the music that they made that Alam is actually really good. Yeah, and but so Do you ever Think about that that like you don't want to be judgmental you don't want to be cynical But sometimes you sort of you do look out at the world

and you realize, like, I think if I just had some kind of, like, I don't know, some combination of endurance and greed, that I could emulate pop culture, what's popular, chameleon myself into that and produce something, not because I wanna make it, but for them it was satirical. But do you ever get that feeling of like, you have to choose when you're making art between authenticity and commercialism.

And do you think that there is a middle ground between the two or? I think unless you're constantly questioning yourself, you slip to the easiest one. And the easiest one is always the one that is the commercialized. Like I think the way that I experience it is like there's the path that's already been stomped on,

you know, and then there's the one that you make yourself. And you always end up on the one that's been stomped on and you have to bring yourself, tear yourself away from it I think unless you're like a singular person who like the only path you you insist on being yourself all the time I'm not like that. I will chameleon. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I mean Listen, I sometimes I think that rude people have confused their rudeness with authenticity I think and sometimes people think that like manners means being a sellout or something like that,

or just general basic sensitivity to people around you. It doesn't mean that you, in some way, like it's harder to do the commercial stuff? Like in other words, like if you're just, it's, there is something, I mean easy, not commercial maybe, or profitable about making the things you wanna make in the world. Yeah, that's a good point but wouldn't you say like?

Abandoning all that bullshit and just being like, you know what? I'm gonna make something cuz I'm tired I want to have I want to fly around in private planes. I want to I want I want health insurance I don't know. I think I can I think I get what you're saying. I think I think that Yes, what you're saying is correct. It's easier, it's intuitively easier to be yourself as a baby, the most actual version of yourself, the most truthful. Yes, that is the easiest thing. But it's a hard thing to do. It's harder to listen to the easy voice, if that makes sense. Like the voice that's telling you actually who you are and what you should be doing is softer and calmer.

And the voice that is fucking freaking out is telling you to make it is giving you bad advice. It's not like the trustworthy voice, but it's definitely the louder voice. Yeah. is telling you to make, is giving you bad advice. It's not like the trustworthy voice, but it's definitely the louder voice. Because it's easier to slip into a harder life ultimately, if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yes, it is.

And what a nightmare. What a nightmare. And because the very last thing you want is to be well received as something you're not. Yeah. Oh. Yeah, it hurts.

But people convince themselves that, and that's what I think, that's what I'm talking about about you have to constantly be interrogating yourself because I think you forget what you want from it in the first place. You know what I mean? Because like the only way to do anything is doing it. That's the thing, right?

But there's so many peanuts around it, especially with stand-up, like what we do. But with anything, any art form, any time you're expressing yourself, there's so much stuff around it that could trick you and you think that's the thing. You know what I mean? But that's actually just the business,

which is so a different thing. Yeah and Yeah, like I can make I can go live in the woods and be funny You know what I mean right and it's just as good right if not better. You know well. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my god. That is the like I One of the Well, yeah, yeah, oh my god, that is the... Like, I... One of the... easy... mistakes you can make when you're...

you know, consuming art, whatever it is... is you can accidentally imagine that... this is an actual meritocracy in the sense that you see whoever and you think that person has to be the funniest person or the most talented singer or the best actor. And you just will never know. No. All the people in America, in the world, who are infinitely better than the best singer, your favorite singer. But they won't make Instagram.

They won't make Instagram. You'll never know about them. You'll never know about them. It's tragic. It's awesome, too. It's amazing. Do they think it's tragic? A lot of those people. No, I think it's tragic? There are a lot of those people.

No, I think it's tragic that they don't, I think that art at its best is like someone is expressing something truthful about themselves in an intelligent way so that it's delivered. It does at some point, I think, need to be delivered because the best possible end result of that is catharsis and people don't feel so alone and that's good. Art is like a connective experience.

It brings people, it makes them okay with stuff that they're shameful about and it's a conversation. I think it's good when good art reaches a lot of people. But that being said, I don't think that that's good for good artists all the time. And it's usually really bad for them. And that path, like the getting it through, it's all, and it's all, it's like under capitalism, I think, is actually the ultimate issue. It always kind of turns into that. Or it has to if it's like massively produced, you know? Right.

You know what? That brings us to something you've showed me one of my favorite things which I have watched so many times now Do you remember the name? Do you remember the name of? How I could find on YouTube easily it's yeah, it's Smith morning interview Elliott Smith morning interview You know what it's like they demonetize this it's fine man. We'll just we kind of have to play it So this is so Ruby sends this to me more on the road I don't remember why we're talking about Elliott Smith, but so This is actually in LA is what Aaron said. This is in LA but somehow Elliott Smith ends up on this show.

Elliott Smith, the gloomy bard of the indie, gloomy minstrel, ends up on this fucking crazy morning show. And just play it, it's the craziest shit I've ever seen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yay. And just just play it. It's the craziest shit I've ever seen His CD is entitled not surprisingly Elliott Smith and it is on this is an intriguing label. Is this uh, I mean getting this right kill rock star, right? Yeah, it's a punk label feeling a little hostile. Are we Elliott? I mean, Jesus Christ. Can you pause it for a second Josh?

Just because we just, okay, so you know, you know the lead up to Easter is Lent, right? So Jesus goes out in the desert to be tempted to pray. Buddha goes and is met with with Mara prior to enlightenment. And whenever I've pictured Satan in the desert, sinister force. Mara, also sinister, dark. But I'm pretty sure this is what the devil looks like. This morning's fucking guy.

This is more akin to what Lucifer is than anything I've ever seen. You seem a little hostile, Elliot. And this is some bizarre, it's not the first and it won't be the last, but this is the beginning of several humiliation rituals that any artist is gonna have to go through. Morning time TV. And I like the Satan metaphor because every time I've done it, I felt like it was hell. And I couldn't imagine life after it. Yes! Or before it. Like when you're in it, it's like it feels like eternal suffering. It feels crazy. And you know what they're calling this shit now is legacy media because this is like this Oh, this is a lineage that loose over here is part of a lineage that has its roots in like just some like in what used to be new technology and censorship and this idea of

You know this guy. I mean, I don't know who he is. Maybe I'm wrong, but Probably if you're doing a morning show or whatever the fuck this is you're not thinking about Authenticity you're thinking I got to get numbers to sell ads to make money It's never even occurred to you that that that any of the shit we're talking about you're just like you're you're You've crystallized as part of this monolithic Gatekeeping mechanism that in general will filter people like Elliott Smith How many people more talent than Elliott Smith? Did one of these it was like you know what yeah, I'm going back under the fucking bridge, dude

Oh, yeah, well, and this is, and they're such, they're such dual, it feels like you're like making a cockroach hang out in the sunlight, you know? Yeah, he's like. Like in the most beautiful way, like in the most loving way. A very talented. And he's like fucking squirming in his dark hoodie

and his purple hair, you know? A talented cockroach who loves heroin. Now let's keep playing. Angry. Yeah, some of it. Would you classify, because I mean this is sort of a circus-like environment to drag you into at this hour in the morning. I'm wondering if there's a potential any of us might come to physical harm. I don't think that... What's he fucking talking about?

Meanwhile there's like a cyborg lady behind him it looks like I've seen Needlessly beautiful Gorgeous yet uncanny Valley quality and then you have some not a response again by the way it's like That fucking puppet behind him Yeah, if you just glance at it you could be like I it's like that fucking puppet behind him yeah if you just glance at it you could be like I it's a kid that is a terrifying if I show if that puppet if I showed that to my kids they would scream you know what I mean that's that's the never noticed that it has a rotten tooth and a black eye dude

yeah and I don't mean to get conspiratorial here, but Josh, before we play this, pull up the Black Eye Club. You know about this, Ruby? Images, find that montage people made. Oh, there it is, it's down there, there it is. So all these people, you ever got a black eye? No. Me either. All these, just go, yeah, see the black eye club

who is punching them on Instagram? This is a really funny conspiracy theory, which is all of these famous people, politicians and powerful people, can you enlarge any of those? They all have black fucking eyes. They go, it's like they all get black eyes and people think that there's some initiatory

Punched in one of your eyes. Yeah, they punch the shit out of you too. Like when you get in the club I know so go back. Let's look at that puppet. I'm telling you Ruby look black eye club This is the beginning and showing him. This is them inviting him in. This is he represents and then you recently initiated. You almost look at that puppet. You're like, is that puppet like Elliot Smith? All right now press play. It's not really folk, but it's sort of like... This episode of the DTFH is brought to you by my dear friends at Turtle Beach. New sponsors, new friends, because they just sent me the Turtle Beach Stealth 700. Oh my God.

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I just feel like that, because obviously we talked about talked about that, it's like, you couldn't write that in a movie. You know what I mean? If someone was gonna die by probably suicide later on, that is how you would foreshadow it. And it feels like, and I said this to you, because whenever I watch this, it feels like a recording of just a nightmare that Elliot is having about his own life, you know?

No, yeah, this is like the, as he's dying, this is like, he hallucinates this. This is the hallucination, which is why I feel, this is the type of shit that makes me believe in God a little bit. It's like, this is the type, because it all feels like we're in this big dream soup. You know? Yes.

And like, things are just like, mirroring each other. It's way too poetic, and it's way too writ to feel random. You know what I mean? Absolutely. And to be like, you're getting jeered and mocked and he's having to just, whatever he's doing right now is like, it's, he's beginning to like, this is the same thing that happened to MGMT

This is like MGMT realizing like they're good this song that they were that they made Mocking pop music will become what they're known for forever and he's also I think recognizing like That this is his future. This is at least a year of doing shows like this He's probably thinking a little bit about his publicist right there He's like I'm paying this bitch $15,000 a month and she sent me to this fucking piece of shit Why is he asking me that how do I react to this? All right, let's hit play They're all like holy shit Yeah, the stunt people didn't think so He's this guy he's regretting everything he's everything he said she's like look at her all of them cyber babe

It's just I don't know know I'm so confused by cyber babe I don't think here in 2025 we can call her cyber babe. That's what he called her cyber babe It's science. Oh Josh pull up like sex Pull up sex pull up sex robot sex Android I Mean was is that what she was going for because for a second that's an Android pull up their real doll Right there this I Mean like I

Wouldn't click on that website real silicon dolls 24 calm. Okay So go back to cyber babe One more over she does have uncanny valley she's kind of uncanny about what happened when someone is very beautiful They don't look real that's and there they become not attractive in my opinion. I mean, I don't like people in New York I just noticed that she there were moments where she Send me that website, Josh. Josh saved that website. But this, it's crazy that in our world, there is this bizarre boundary

this bizarre boundary between us finding out about people like that and people like that. A terrible maze that has to be navigated. There's no way around it. And the gatekeepers within that maze And the gatekeepers within that maze are just like that guy making fun of this tortured genius. Not all of them are like that, but there's just all these, you know what I mean? Why are we creating? Why is this built in?

You're saying capitalism? I do think that that's the thing that you're getting at. It's like, once you make it so that if some The way that you make something happen is that it has to have money around it. It that's when it's just commercial That's literally what it is. I think right like I don't really have the vocabulary to describe what I'm trying to say Yeah, no, right But like that you force it to be something that it's not because it has to be palatable enough to sell You know what I mean? It has to be succatable enough to sell. You know what I mean?

It has to be succinct enough to sell, or describable enough to sell. And so it changes, its nature has to change, right? It has to be packaged. Get packaged, yeah. Yeah, and then- It has to be succinct. And you need, and so it all seems quite logical,

in the sense that, because this is the way it's always been, when you start find yourself contending with that, you're not, even though you are, you don't, maybe you don't quite understand why it feels so fucked up that some of the things you're dealing with feel kind of crazy and fucked up. You are just thinking, but who the fuck am I to question this system like this? What am I who do I think I am that I should question the system? There was the exact same system David Bo you went through Mick Jagger went through well I don't know, but then you think about like what's the difference if

Because I know I said it's good for the art to reach more people But I actually don't know if that's because I think about like before for the art to reach more people. But I actually don't know if that's true. Because I think about like before the system kind of that we have now and like late stage capitalism and whatever. Like, like if we were in a small, how many people they always say like 200 people in a community back in the in the early times, right? Like an Elliott Smith was in our community, it would be fine. And he just live in the cave at the top of the mountain. And we'd leave, you know, cheese and dead goats for him. And every once in a while, he'd crawl out. And he'd play a song.

And we'd think about it for a year, you know what I mean? And it would be fine. That would just be the world. But now it's like you have to like take someone like Elliot Smith and the market economy and like smash them together. Of course, it looks disgusting and strange, you know what I mean?

Yeah. But I would argue that is what it's like anytime you take the mushy human form and try to make it work in a bureaucratic system. Well, yeah. It's like a weird thing. It's like when you get a call from the phone company after your mom died exactly and they're like, you know They're really late on the bill

Apple it's like the pin pad transaction after you have a child Exactly. Oh my god. That is the exactly that's the craziest collision of things which is you When your wife is When your partner is about to give birth Yeah, and you're terrified Josh pull up my Aaron giving birth second child Three pull up the robot sex our three pull up robot giving birth pull up robot giving you pull up a robot giving birth Josh Okay, actually see you find that okay?

But yeah, that's the that's the you know the Hospital attitude yeah, oh yeah there you go Victoria pregnant robot gives This is this is we've got to fetish porn. That's fetish porn. Let's pull that up, Josh. Go ahead and pull that up, Josh. Meet Victo- Oh.

Oh. Wrong one. Meet Victoria. She blinks, breathes, and bleeds just like you. She's also pregnant and about to undergo an emergency c-section. Victoria, how are you feeling? Uh, I'm not feeling well. No! Why'd they put a ghost of a Victorian child inside of that pregnant robot doll?

I'm sure everything will be fine. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Victoria is a pulp of the line patient simulator. And this is a crisis exercise for the Anis. Can you pause it Josh? Pull up a sex robot, please Josh.

I just wanna point something out here. Sex robot Yeah, pull up that any of those that's good that's actually that's that's based on the crew that went up to space Isn't interesting how quickly they made that isn't that cool actually that's them That no that's Jeff Bezos' office. They look like they're in birthing position. But okay, now pull up the pregnant top of the line robot again, and let's do a compare and contrast.

Go back to that. You're gonna tell me that's top of the line? Go back to the sex robot. How the fuck can they do that? and You've got this like it's a mannequin somebody put a tape recorder in a mannequin head and Okay, keep playing I want to see you give birth What's weird is it gives birth to a different roles in It's bringing different roles in a multidisciplinary way.

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Sometimes we come into here and we don't know the scenario. And it's like a real life situation. Having an environment like this where we can... Oh my god! I could have done better, man! What the fuck? Oh my god! You know, I think actually what could be really good for society is if we changed out the sex robots to have that faith

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and sprayed poison in its eyes. Oh my God. But that is definitely another example of this collision between eternal beauty and whatever the fuck we're doing right now, which we are calling late stage capitalism. But don't you think calling it late stage capitalism is kind of optimistic? Because it's about to end. yeah. Or that's the implication. Yeah.

Yeah. Like people who say that have some fantasy that this is late stage. That is my fantasy. Opening phase capitalism. Oh God. Why do you think it's late phase? Because I don't think it can sustain itself.

I don't think you can have this much misery. I don't know, but I'm brand new and I don't read the news and I don't even read at all. You don't think you can have this much misery. I don't know, but I'm brand new and I don't read the news and I don't even read at all. You don't, no, I call it that just as a term of convenience because you wanna come up with like some, you wanna name whatever it is. The thing is. So you say late stage.

Yeah. And then I get yelled at because it's like capitalism, you don't know what you're talking about. You're talking about, you shouldn't mix up classism with capitalism or something like capitalism is just a method of exchanging goods and services. It's not I guess the idea is that it once it gets past a certain stage, it always turns into a class issue. Yeah, Marxism.

That's like Marxism. That's the Marxist critique of capitalism, I think. I think so too. It's pretty much like you, just the way that's gonna work is because you've, what, how would you say it? It's like you've deprioritized the worker. Yeah. And prioritize the person who owns the means of production. You deprioritize the person living in the house and prioritize the person owning the house

the people are living in. And because of that, the money or the way that you... Whatever the symbol set is for the transactions flows up, not down. It's always gonna be a bad deal. And so therefore, at some point, I think Marx did say that, it can't sustain itself. It will end. Yeah But I'm hopeful that it's all good. What do you replace it with? Um, I don't know I guess and this is the thing is whenever I complain about

Like fascism or whatever the thing is whenever I complain about that people are like well all systems are bad all systems Oh, yeah, that's a weak argument. I know But I feel like that's always what I get when I like complain about conservatism. They're like oh well everything's fascism eventually It's like okay. Well, then we should talk about that because that's a problem, too You know what I mean? I think it's more of a problem of definitions. Yeah. You know, I'm never gonna do it, but I've honestly like, this is like ideas I don't do on the podcast, but I really did kick around the idea

of finding some body to play an actual Nazi fascist who is offended that the term Nazi is being used so liberally. You know what I mean? Like, you know, like I, cause I do think like Hitler and the Nazis would take offense that a lot of like what they might view as. That we're using Nazi derogatory. That is not, not that's, you're totally wrong

about national socialism, whatever the fuck that is, is not... You're totally wrong about National Socialism. Whatever the fuck that is, is not National... That's not us. And fascism too, I think. I think what's happening is muddled terms. And in that, and also what's happening on both sides, is an immediate rejection of interrogating what's happening. Like just the very act of looking around and being like,

boy, it feels like there's a better way to do this. Well, I think just like the primary emotion in society and like in my personal life lately, it feels like anger. And when I was like a young person, a younger, way younger person, I always felt like anger wasn't like a, like if the metaphor is like primary colors and secondary colors, like anger is not a primary emotion.

It's a secondary emotion. It's always a result of a more primary emotion being suppressed, and then that turns into anger. Oh, wild. I don't, and I'm not getting that from anything. It's just how I've always felt. As a parent, let me tell you. You don't think?

Anger is a primary emotion. I think you can trick yourself. Like, you don't really, because you think, because the babies are feeling upset Yeah, they're unfiltered and they get mad because the need isn't being met and the need represents a more primary emotion Or like it's it's like like anger is like sadness over time that isn't being dealt with you know You know and for a baby the time scale is smaller They just get pissed right to it just gets right to pissed.

They get pissed. And it's just a way of, you know, the problem with anger, and I get why people, it's so dangerous because some people feel like they're malfunctioning if they're angry or something must be off with me or I shouldn't express it or you know the Expression of anger in an unbridled way is a failure as a human. Yeah, and And then you just get there repressed You get people who stuff all their anger down and then like it Comes out in surprising moments at weird times

Totally and I think I don't trust it. Like, whenever anybody's, like, really angry about something, I think that there's something underneath it. Like, something, like, when it, like, like, I get that the trans stuff is hard, and it takes, it takes people a while to warm up to new ideas. But whenever guys are, like, super angry about, like, trans women,

I'm like, oh, that's what you jerk off to. That's the only way you can come. I think you know what I mean. I mean, I'm not arguing with you here, but like I, I, I, it is impossible for me to jerk off and not be angry. No matter what I'm looking at. No, that's exactly my point. I think that like, Furious actually. I think that like horniness for men, it makes makes them because it takes up so much of men's time and so much of their thoughts

That whatever it is that they jerk off to makes them angry because they wish that they could read a book You know what? I mean, they wish they could take a walk. That's why I jerk off the books. That's Just library pictures. I can't read I It's fucking disgusting. I can't read! I can't borrow books from you. I can't read. That's why I'm so angry at books. I don't even know what I'm talking about. No, I think what you're talking about is really, like, I love thinking these things because

I, like, it's the deconstruction of whatever the current cultural obsessions are in the positive and the negative. Like having the courage not just to like analyze why this is wrong to me, but then why is it right to them? Put yourself in their shoes, whatever it may be, or high heels in some people's case like put yours like try to take all of your potentially justifiable critiques of something that you have seen don't even worry about the sources let's just take your sources whatever they are even though if you've been getting shit from like some slanted algorithm fuck it just let's imagine all that's real yeah then Algorithm fuck it. Just let's imagine all that's real. Yeah, then Do you have the ability?

To go to the other side. Yeah and completely understand that side too and why and Because even if they're wrong. Yeah, let's take something a little less like culturally relevant sure Which burning yeah, that was real. Yeah. You would find a woman, Yeah. drag her out of her house. And just burn her. You torture her first.

Yeah. You'd get her, you'd torture her until she admitted. Yeah. That she would like, kissed a goat's ass under the full moon and had been casting spells on the village and then You would incinerate her. Yeah, and so we hear that. Yeah, and we're like, wow people were so fucking stupid back then yeah and

but They believe they weren't doing it like LARPing. Yeah, and you can't blame, because the instinct is to be like, well, it's the fucking phones. And I do think that that adds like a lubricant to like mob mind and stupidity. It's easier to hate through the cell phone. That's not a new thing to say. And I'm reminded of it all the time, kind of,

with what I do and the people that I meet But like we've always been Worse as a group like like we used to burn women Because they read books, you know what I mean? Like we used to get together in the town not because of Facebook not because like Instagram Not because of like a dirty algorithm or Zuckerberg or whatever, but we as a group with our feet on earth after a long day of thinking all day,

we just had all day to think and work, decided it was time to burn a woman at 6 p.m. after supper, which was made out of grains. We didn't have plastics in our brains and we've always been a flawed species. Well, that's it. And like, when you look back at or you watch some like, I don't know, movie, there was a great movie, The Witch, I think, when you look back at like any... The Witch.

The Witch. When you look back at whatever those moments are, When you look back at whatever those moments are, at least when I do that, you don't realize that those people actually thought they had to do that. They believed they had to do that. There was a real sense of this is the right thing to do. Yeah, and I think it takes a special type of autism to go against the grain. You know, you always have the people... There are always the people who like hide the Jews or like... Are like actually, I have slaves, but I don't think it's good. You know what I mean? There are like these people who go against the grain and they're weird and they're one-offs

because whatever thing in their brain is different and they're not as susceptible to the weirdness of the group mind that allows us to treat people really horribly, you know? You know the current Pope, or the late Pope, he was controversial, right? I do know that, but I don't know a lot about it pull up Pope pull up takes question from

sex robot No, pull up pull up pope takes question from non-binary team See if we can find it. Scroll down, I'll know when I see it. Pope takes, maybe, they might have actually said queer. Pope takes question from like a... Like a queer. Pope takes question from twink, queer twink.

Pope takes question from queer twink. It was like. Pope graciously takes a question from a fucking queer. Well it wasn't what you would expect if you, okay like yeah play just any of those like this is why people got are we got pissed off oh wait i should read this we're go back to the beginnings of people who don't speak italian are like what he's saying being homosexual isn't a crime

it's a human condition. We are all children of God and God loves us as we are. And for this dream that each one of us has to fight for our dignity, being homosexual is not a crime. It's not a crime. Let's make this distinction first between sin and crime. But it's also a sin to like charity with one another. So what about that? So, oh, oh, that was like a lot of people like,

uh, no, you can't fucking say that. And, um, you know, I've been watching all these things with this particular pope, and it's the, like, I don't know if he was like a saint, but the consistency in what he was saying over and over and over again was, God loves you. And this divisive mode of thinking between people, he didn't say it like this, but is fucking everything up. And he was like just always, some kid, a Catholic kid, he was like, I guess, gay or I don't know what the what he's calling himself. But, you know, ask the pope about this. And his response was these people who are saying this stuff that you're asking about are, he called them

infiltrators. And so there you have the fucking pope Pope whether you like it or not that is You know one of the great Christian leaders on planet Earth Yeah, which is why when he died Marjorie Taylor green pull up that shit Marjorie Taylor green green Posted after the Pope died on Twitter. I think it was on Twitter This episode of the DTFH has been supported by Lucy. These are wonderful nicotine pouches. Lucy breakers have an extra surprise. Each pouch holds a capsule that can be broken open to release extra flavor and hydration.

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WARNING! This product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical. Huh. I didn't know that. Today there were major shifts in global leaderships. Evil is being defeated by the hand of God. That evil that she is talking about is a guy who is saying, we have to find a way to love each other

for our differences. Yeah, it's really simple. Well, I think that, because it's interesting, and I like, I've been curious about- I know you like Marjorie Taylor's reading, and this wasn't a personal attack. No, I've been curious about organized religion as a way of imposing structure upon yourself

in a good way. Being a person who has morals and values and reads a book and sits in a room every week with a group of people facing the same direction and thinking about God. And I think it's good. And I've felt frustrated in the past. When I was a younger person,

I would have frustrations of like, why do people need God to be good and like all of these questions. But now I almost, I'm like, I need a father. You know what I mean? Like it is like, but anyways, the point is that I've been learning about Catholicism and it's actually kind,

it's more optimistic than I understood. Cause like there's the Lutheran thing of like grace in if you're a Lutheran grace is like the metaphor is that it's like Like you're basically cow shit and you're bad by being on earth and being human You're bad original sin and then grace is like the way that you paint yourself So that God's view of you is good so that he just has a good thing to look at. He has a good view out of his window. It's like the snow on the cow shit

that makes it just nice for God to look at you. Whereas Catholicism is more like you're born onto the earth. You're beautiful and you're made of love and you're perfect, but then you're born and that's a bit of a tumble. You tumble and it bruises you up and you get fucked up by being born, which makes sense, that makes sense to me. And then life is about redemption. And so the way that I've been thinking about that is that

from the Catholic perspective, but this isn't even about Catholicism, it's about a way of looking at things and people, which is that like everything is misery and then love is just the way through it, kinda. And that is beautiful. And I like that. And the only way that I've ever found optimism

to be palatable is in a box of pessimism. And I've talked to you about that. I think that's what makes you great is that you make hope palatable by being kind of funny and shitty and sarcastic around it. And then underneath that, you're saying something hopeful. And that's the only way that you can take it.

Otherwise, it's just not believable. Yeah, well, I do think that's, yeah, I agree with you. And I think, of course, of all the things, like Christianity in general is so misunderstood. But of course, Catholicism is gonna be misunderstood. Yeah, because it's culty. Yeah, and it's like the, it's strict, it's formal, it's, you know, it can be, depending on what mass you go to, it can be boring as fuck. It is really boring. It's not like church where it, yeah. Yeah, there's all kinds of

sort of like aspects to it where, you know, you look at like these mega churches and you know, it's like some kind of insane Broadway production. It's trying to like keep you entertained. Whereas Catholicism is not like that at all. Have you met a lot of, because yeah, because you're Catholic, so you've met, sorry is that? My wife is Catholic. Your wife is Catholic. Yeah. Have you met Catholic priests? Yeah.

They're so charismatic. They are. Because they have to because that's the job. And then some of them are like, like I'm Have you met Catholic priests? Yeah. They're so charismatic. They are. Cause they have to because that's the job. And then some of them are like, like I met one recently who's like jacked. He's like jacked. And I realized, oh, that's the only way

that they're trustworthy actually. Well, cause you don't trust them if they're not ripped? No, cause then they're a pedophile for sure. You know what I mean? Wait, hold on a second. Everything just fell apart. For sure they're fucking bullied if they're a pedophile for sure, you know, wait, hold on a second Everything just sure they're fucking boy. They're not Jack. You're saying if the priest is not ripped He's a pedophile. Absolutely or he's fucking late. He's fucking someone He's fucking some okay help me out here if he's a priest and he's still a priest and he's doing his duty and he's not jacked

Where's that energy going? This is the craziest shit I've ever heard in my life. So, okay, wait, walk me through, okay, first, okay, let me just say, in the priest class in general, I don't mean just Catholicism, Episcopalians, rabbis, I don't care who they are, shamans, gurus. One expectation I have never had is for them to have a six pack.

I've never been like, dude, your shaman is a fucking leechling. You'll notice, now that I've told you this, you're gonna notice that like 50% of them do, and the 50% of them that don't You're gonna think yourself oh, yeah Because think about it Duncan if you couldn't if you had to just sit around with your balls all the time And you just couldn't come and you weren't working out you saw the comma has to go somewhere It either goes into your No, not a kid necessarily. There's so many things to fuck on the planet!

No, no, no, no, no, no. It's not that he's a pedophile. I'm just saying that he's not being a good priest if he's not working out. And, and then they tend to do pedophilia. If you've ever heard anything like this before... Do you understand the point that I'm making? Jesus was ripped. Jesus was ripped! Jesus was not ripped. My Jesus was. Ha ha! Just pull up a picture, pull up a picture.

There are ripped Jesuses. Pull up a- But this is like, this is why it becomes a thing in when people choose to sexually repress themselves. It gets out in a weird way. There's your Christ. There's Ruby's Jesus. Not a pedophile.

And I'll stand by that. And I stand by that. Jesus is not a pedophile, you can quote me on that pull up the sex robot look That's your god Because he's dealing with his abstinence correctly Well, that's what I mean. Okay, like like i'm saying that it's not one or the other but there's a spectrum Of being a pedophile to being jacked within priesthood.

The one critique of pretty much all forms of monastic Christianity, especially even Jesus that I've heard, which is kind of tough to argue with, is, it's like, if you don't have... Like if you don't have... Like relationships are such a huge part of the human experience. Like knowing intimacy at that level, such a huge part of the human experience. And so the argument is like, don't you need to know the full spectrum of what it is to like be a human being if you're going to offer

any sort of advice or counsel to people you know like you don't you need that and that and this has i think been a debate in the catholic church hasn't it josh aren't they aren't the priests always sort of isn't there some fact of the catholic church that is pushing towards non-celibacy of isn't there some fact that the Catholic Church that is pushing towards non-celibacy laws? Yes. Church, I mean, look it up. But there's an argument too that like when that they're they have a clear perspective on human relationships because it changed.

The AI overview guys is not trustworthy. It's word salad. Go down to clerical celibacy in the Catholic Church. Let's scroll down a little bit. In February 2019, the Vatican acknowledged that the policy has not always been adhered to and that rules have been secretly established by the Vatican to handle clergy who violated their vows of celibacy. Some clergy have been allowed to retain their clerical status after violating their vows of celibacy and even after secretly marrying women. Prefect for the Congregation for Clergy Cardinal

Benjamino Stella also acknowledged that child support and transfer have been two common ways for such clergy to maintain their clerical status and Yeah, yeah, so this is like this is definitely to me it seems like something that would benefit The church is if the popes could fuck. Well yeah, if they could get married, if they could experience what it's like to be in a rough spot in a marriage, if they could experience what it's like to, you know, just all the stuff that goes along with marriage or dating

or any of the stuff that the people that they're talking to are going through, they would probably be more effective. That makes sense, but at the same time, it's like if you want effective scientifically proven counsel, that's more the place of a therapist, I think. And you think so? Yeah, but I mean it's an issue because like within more like within like the conservatism that is like within that is like people who go to church are more likely to not really buy into the practice of therapy or whatever because of the weird. But what I'm, I think what I'm saying is like,

there is an argument to be made for like, innocence leading to a type of knowledge. Like the way that like someone who's never written a song before, so they don't know any of the rules and so yeah They they are more likely to make a mistake That is something that's actually new right and maybe even more beautiful than if they do that if they're like classically trained or something Well, so like there is something to be said about like it's like if a baby could talk I disagree with that I think that though not could talk. I disagree with that. I think that though, not to brag,

I did study psychology in school. And I do think- Et cetera. I do think that- Show them the certificate. Where's my certificate? This one's mine, I don't have yours. What the fuck?

You gotta keep my certificate around. Hold on one second. You gotta keep my certificate around. Josh, you gotta keep- I apologize. I went to- You put it on the wall. Josh, you gotta keep. I apologize. You kinda gotta put it on the wall. My wife and I went to a priest and got some counseling. I loved it.

He said that I am the leader of the house, she needs to listen to me. And I was like, this is great. Is that true? Yeah. Oh no. Now, look. Why'd you put your sunglasses?

When I don't want my certificate, I put on my sunglasses. So this is a certificate, friends. It says, this certifies that Doug Atresla is an expert in physics, computing, history, art, geopolitics, philosophy, etc. It says etc. and it does say etc. So anyone out there listening to this who like feels like I... First of all, are you certified, Ruby? No. Not in Etc.

There we go. So, uncertified person talking. Certified person is now talking. He printed this out. The paper is more thin than toilet paper. Can I also point... Okay. Alright, that's exactly what you're going to get from the uncertified. This is a blue ribbon. It's blue. But you know what that means, first place. No, it does.

You're number one in certificates. No, it means it's a real certificate. You're number one in fake certificate making. It's not fake. It is fake. Oh, really? I just saw it crumble. Can you put your hand through it? You barely whispered.

It's clearly real. What does that mean? It's taking up time space. So it's real. This is a real certificate. This is like totally this is such a shit bird about your certificate You left it. Here's the problem with the great. This is like a great guy. This is the disease that is overtaken the modern Leftist is your post modernist questioning of reality has led to literally I have a certificate right here holding it up It blocks my face hello, but doesn't make so therefore this is what do you mean? What do you mean? Hello? It literally says certificate and Josh is holding and Josh show show mirrors Well, they don't have a camera but but mindset Josh Josh. That's a certificate. It says what is it? May I ask? Yeah, what does that say? It says of expertise. No this right here says certificate. I know

Busted it says Certificate because you said this is not a certificate Is not a certificate you did Josh playback where I said it that it's thin paper No, you printed out said this is not a certificate you did Josh playback where I said it that it's thin paper No, they printed out said this is not a certificate. Is it? Oh, so Where what do you think? Where do they print certificates out? I don't know What do you think they manifest they they they appear once a person no, this is a real Etc of expertise and I am an expert but no I think that But I see what you're saying. I don't want counsel from someone who's never had sex before unless they're jacked in which case

I'm like, okay, you're dealing with your sperm. I'll talk to you. But the I think that Maybe there's also like in like, you know, the modern sort of secular world there is this rejection of the priest class, which has been a fundamental element in human society in some way, shape or form, the mystic, the shaman, the whatever, and the spiritual advisor, way older than therapists. And the, in that, the other thing that is like, especially with Catholicism or Christianity or any of

these things is like, until you participate in it, like, you really, it's like licking the outside of a jar that has honey in it. You're not, you know, you're not gonna, it's all gonna seem weird. None of it will make sense. It will all seem, justifiably so. Or the critique of, you know, a lot of times when I get it, like when I'm like on Reddit and there's like the inevitable, you know, tap dancing on the grave of God, how awful, you know, this religion or that religion is.

And I read the comments, you realize like, oh my, that Christianity that they are rejecting, if that was Christianity, I'm also rejected. You should fucking reject that for real. And then you it's like, oh, they've sort of woven Yeah a version of a thing that isn't even it well We don't do a lot of dramatic acknowledging without religion in society that we don't have structures that sort of Yeah, dramatically Acknowledge the fucking misery of life. You know what I mean? It's all just like it's okay Go to work take care. It's gonna be, go do your thing.

Make sure to put your shoes on. And at no point, unless you're going to church, is someone like, God's watching, this choir of children is singing beautifully and the candles are melting and we're all in a big room with high ceilings thinking about death. And I don't know. I think it's good.

And then you get the deep, then the bottom drops out cause that, you know, yeah, that's the craziest moment in like any kind of temple, but Christianity where, you know, I would reckon that unless you're born into it and really like got lucky with whoever was articulating it to you. Yeah. You're rejecting it. But for whatever reason, for a lot of people it's quaint, it's interesting, maybe you just feel like

you want to be around people, but you're still playing around the idea that this is just a quaint form of primitive, like you know, imaginary, I'm not saying you're literally thinking that, but at some level you might be like, okay, you're a little imaginary Jesus friend, but I kind of want to be around people. And then it's like a fucking tiger pounces on you, and you feel something real, real. And then you have-

Oh, like the love of Jesus Christ. And then you have to reckon with that. And that part of your mind that has been telling you that the default reality Secularist world is the most sophisticated form of human existence it Has to reckon. Yeah with the experiential Reality of whatever the particular thing is. Yeah, it's inevitably way older than some passing fashion. Definitely.

And then you're fucked! Now you're really fucked, because it's like, if the whole concept of interacting with reality is truth, we must live according to our own truth. And then you experience something that doesn't, is maybe the least cool thing You loving Jesus

Yeah, that is not cool That is so embarrassing like really and your smartest friends are gonna like just be like are you okay? You need to get the fuck out of texas because you feel loving jesus in you You will know because you have to deal with like, I mean, my own experience with that is it's embarrassing. Like because for me, the... Because loving anybody is embarrassing too. Yeah, and now you're going to like act and it's certainly not unique. It's one of the biggest world religions.

So now, but now, but for me, it's just the eat. You have to deal with that part of you that thought it was, this was bullshit and thought you were actually right. And like the majority of the planet was just drooling cultists. Can you tell me, cause right now my thing is, is that I feel guilty all the time. And what do you, from what you've learned in your long life of talking to interesting people, can I know your thoughts about like redemption and self-forgiveness? Mmm, do we have time for that? Yeah, sure You pull the sex robot. Let me show you there's a forgiveness bot and she is beautiful No, well, you know, the the. Friends.

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Thank You Squarespace You know I I have I I like doing, as I said, that etc. means comparative religion, I was in there. But the, I think a lot about Buddhism and Christianity these days and trying to find some kind of where are the connecting points. And so in Christianity, you, the way you're, there's going to be this growing recognition of what I would, I guess, like what you might call the most beautiful thing ever Just just incredible like you know if there is if there's kings and queens and royalty and fame All of any you've had some experience with what you thought was the most high-tech cutting-edge thing

When you brush shoulders with you know what? People would call like the Holy Spirit or Christ consciousness or whatever it may be, when it somehow gets through the cracks. And you get some sense of, not only is this the most beautiful thing I've ever encountered, but it seems to be directly interested in me as I am. Like it doesn't seem to be rejecting me at all. And yet just some sense of it at all gives me a feeling of like, God, I'm so fucked up.

I'm so fucked up. Like, and you thought, you, because maybe you've been doing a very good job at rationalizing your selfishness You know what? I mean, maybe you've as many of us have you think that you're you've decided your Self interest is there's something Spectacular about what the way you've been living your life, which is always putting you and thoughts about yourself and your importance and what you need as the nucleus of everything.

Yeah. Even in the negative. Yeah. And suddenly you just start realizing like, oh, ugh, ugh. I'm so self-absorbed. I was every thought. Even if I was not making it about me, it's about me, isn't it?

Everything I do, I'm thinking, what do I get out of this this and that's what stand-up can do or like being in the industry You want to talk about like corrosive stuff? Yeah, I mean, yeah Yeah, this is your or capitalism just transactionalism. Yeah, and and and then There's suddenly this sense of like that is not the road to happiness at all. This self-serving attitude has not been doing anything for me at all. And then, anyway, the point is, I think the beginning phase is a sense of like,

for lack of a better word, like shame or guilt. It's like, in the same way, like if you step on dog shit, or God help you, you get on your hand, you know, like you're not, you need to smell it and not like the smell. It's gonna get you to the grass or whatever technique you use to get dog shit off of your shoe. So that initial sort of awareness is identified in Buddhism too. You start meditating and you just have to deal with all the decisions you've made that suck. Yeah. And there is no lipstick on the fish. There is no snow on the cow shit. No snow on the cow shit. Yeah. But where Christianity addresses this is by saying

that's everybody. Everybody feels bad. Everybody, you can't be perfect in the world. You're not going to be perfect in the world. There is no, whatever standard you've been holding yourself to. It doesn't matter what you've done. That, Aaron was telling me. And that's the thing of that we're all kind of born a sinner a little bit.

And sin apparently means missing the mark. That's so beautiful, that's so neutral. Yeah, yeah. So that, and then it's not like, okay, so go flog your back or like go beat yourself up or go torture yourself or do like, you know, carry like what her mom was doing, that kind of insane shit.

But rather recognize you are contending with the exact same thing everyone's contending with. And then maybe you can find a way to be kinder to people around you, regardless of what side of the political spectrum they fall on because everybody's dealing with this insane predicament. Yeah. You ever go to AA or any 12-step type of thing?

Sure. Yeah. It's just because it's a similar, when people get in a room and they get up and they talk about the worst shit they ever did, and everybody's like, yeah, yeah, me too. Yeah. Nice to meet you. That's it. It's so good, we should do, yeah, yeah, me too. Yeah. Nice to meet you.

That's it. It's so good we should do that just for everybody, I think. But then I'm saying that as an addict, where I'm like, I think people need that, but maybe they don't, maybe just addicts need it. No, I think everyone, I think wherever, what's really sad is this, what we call the puritanical attitude.

Yeah. It doesn't seem to actually align with politics in the way I once thought. I used to think the puritanical attitude was a purely conservative way of being. Sex negative squares who hate Dungeons and Dragons and Goths or whatever and drugs. You hate what they did to Dungeons and Dragons and Goths or whatever and drugs. You hate what they did to Dungeons and Dragons. It's funny and awful. But then you realize like, oh my god, when you look at the puritanical attitude of like people who are like excorciating podcasters for being God, though the, like, what is being judged is different,

the attitude is the same thing that I recoiled at when I realized I was being judged by somebody who thought they were better than me because they went to fucking church and that I did drugs and loved psychedelics and, like, was not gonna wait for mirrors to have sex. And you realize, though though the data set is completely different the attitude

condescending exclusionary judgmental and Manipulative and also weirdly missionary and intent the shunning All of that you rose. Oh my god, if there is a spirit of evil in the world That's what it fucking looks like Not the data set the data set whatever they're upset about some legitimate things the mechanism of reproach is so

Fucking identical. You know what I mean? Yeah Yeah, and so this is why this sort of concept that the Pope is talking about, and you hear about in Christianity, is so, I think why there's some kind of bizarre Christian resurgence happening is because it's a great antidote. Because it isn't saying, everyone's right. Everyone's right. We should pretend everyone's right.

We should pretend there's no transgressions. We should pretend that there aren't people who've done legitimate harm in the world. But rather, first step, recognize they're like you, you're like them, and find a compassionate way of dealing with that. To live on earth together. And how the fuck can you do that

if you haven't forgiven yourself? Or found some way to get forgiveness? How can you forgive anybody if you still hate yourself? And people who miss the mark, as you say, the farthest, and then come back to self-love somehow, and that's a long journey, I think, those are the nicest people, usually. Those are the most trustworthy people.

It's like what you're talking about with the priest. You want someone who's lived a hard life, who's done the wrong thing. That's who you wanna talk to. That's who I wanna talk to. But also the idea that priests just were born priests. I'm pretty sure a lot of priests like- Were born babies.

I'm pretty sure a lot of them were born babies. That is not true. That's why it's very dangerous if you have a, maybe that's why they can't have sex, because their babies are always priests. And that will destroy a mama. Aw, a little priest baby, with a little youngie chain on it.

It's a baby. You know, it's cool that you've been thinking, it's interesting, I guess, I didn't realize that was happening. That I've been thinking about religion. Organized religion. It's just because I'm around this Catholic family all the time who are just my the friends that I've made in Austin me too I'm around a Catholic yeah you're fucking on I'm

around they're all Catholic now except me because you just you are who you're around you know because the people are all we have that's the thing Duncan that's why I'm thinking about so critically. That's a big part of why I'm questioning my whole life and career and whatever, is because in the three years that I've strayed from home in pursuit of stand-up or whatever, the only thing that I give a shit about after all of it is just the people that I've met. And it's not enough to keep me in Texas, or wherever, or New York or Massachusetts or like the weird places that I've gone.

You know what I mean? Like all that I've gotten out of it are these people that I've just, and I love them, these people that I've met. You know what I mean? I love them so much and I wish they all lived in the same goddamn town with Elliott Smith in the cave Yeah, but they don't you know, and so you end up I've just I'm questioning like if it's I think people are just the only thing, you know

Yeah, so yeah, so yeah, I've been thinking about organized religion, which is so fucking random But it's just because yeah the people who are my community right now happen to be Catholic, you know And so that's the lens by which they view the world and I love them so much that I wanna look through their lens, you know? Well, look, judge a tree by the fruit. You know, let me tell you, there is like, the way my brain works is I just have to accept things

as they are, regardless of how much that kind of like fucks with my head. And I can't deny like every encounter I've had with people in our community, people who like go to the Vatican, hang out with Cardinals and stuff, and is completely the opposite of what I thought they were gonna be like. Yeah.

And I'm having to deal with... Because they're smart and charismatic. And sweet. Yeah. And really, like, real sweet, and like, and not like some kind of like trick that you might experience if you are getting like recruited into something that doesn't feel like that.

There's no love bombing happening either. There's none of the classic cult signs that just, this like... like, loosely connected group of people, some of them more connected than others, who have like found this philosophy they're all sort of aligning on that's really old. And so yeah, I am having to contend with that a little bit

in my own head because it's like, it's so beautiful. And I have to, you know, I might have to eat shit a little bit because- What do you mean? Well, because I think of all forms of Christianity, the one that I've been most judgmental of is Catholicism for no reason at all, other than what we all, for reasons, because we all hear about the child abuse shit and pretty much anything that's hurting kids, it's like, I'm out.

But then obviously that is not like doctrine. And I've talked to Catholics in there, they hate it. And their explanation of why is so brilliant, that isn't what I thought, which isn't the repressed priest thing, but more in line with like, this is what happens when power imbalances are happening inside of the structure of Catholicism, where people are not, have too much power.

I don't know why. I don't know why, but yeah, what the fuck? Why are these Catholics, what's going on with these Catholics being all nice? You wanna see something that'll make you cry? Did you see the- Yeah, pull up the sex robot. This is actually-

When's that gonna stop being funny? Pull up the sex robot that cries when you break up. Pull up- Then pull up the one that jacks off when you break up. Pull up like Pope, I don't know why I went on a PopeKick. It was on Reddit. Pope answers questions. We love Reddit.

Pull up kid who loses son, or kid who lost his dad, ask Pope a question. This fucking kill. I'm not allowed on Reddit anymore. Why? You just. I've decided that. This one? Little boy asked Pope Francis is my dad in heaven

this will fucking kill you. Those with Robin Hood gold. What's up with the Robin Hood commercials are so weird. Remember when they robbed the beginning part they cut out, which is the kid wouldn't go up there, he was just crying and he couldn't ask the question. Bell's faith. In 2018, a shy eight-year-old boy named Emmanuel Baldieri met Pope Francis. And in that moment, something extraordinary happened. something that would shape his soul forever now at 16 Emanuele vividly recalls the embrace the words of comfort and the incredible bond

He shared with the Pontiff is gonna be amazing if you're jail children of Rome's Corvallis jail He told us what it was Emanuele stood at the microphone to overcome with emotion. Just play what the kid did, we don't need the narration. What the fuck, why is there always some dude who ruins everything? Nobody needs it! Get out of there, man, find the other one. But then when it came time to ask the question,

I felt a strong anguish. No, go with the actual Pope talking about, I mean, no offense, that is the kid when he's older, but like, Jesus, who edited that shit? There, Pope gives USA Today. God damn it. Why is there always somebody who's gonna? A boy in a blue shirt is sitting here.

You can see his hand as it moves in front of his face. He walks to the microphone. Self-insertion. This is so sad. I'm so sad. He's worried his papa isn't in heaven because he's an atheist. Technically, your papa's nowhere based on your pop's flaws.

Thank you. Don't get it. Little boy. I know. Killed me. Okay, so the pope is saying a short time. Okay, go back a little bit, Josh. You're not helping this man Never felt more

I asked Emmanuel permission to repeat his question in public and he said yes But he said please put piano music to it. So I'll say it out loud. A short time ago, my dad died. Papa. He was gay for father. He was an atheist, but he had all four of his children baptized. He was a good man. He's my dad in heaven. My own dad. This is so hard to take.

What a beautiful thing that his son says of his father. He was good. That man gave a beautiful testimony to his children. For his children to be able to say he was a good man. But unfortunately, his father is burning in hell. I mean, up until that point it was great, but why? It's so sad he said that though. I mean, what the fuck?

Really? Are you kidding? No, obviously he said that, like, obviously you so sad he said that though. I mean, what the fuck? Really? Are you kidding? No, obviously he said that, like, obviously you know what he said. But, you know. What did he say? He said that. Keep playing, I'm sorry, keep playing.

I just feel weird. The violin's killing me. That he has inherited, it's a beautiful thing that he's inherited, the strength of his dad, and also that he has the courage to cry before all of us. If that man was capable of raising children like this, it's true, he was a good man.

He was a good man. God is the one who decides who goes to heaven. But how does God's heart react to a dad like that? How? What do you think? To an audience interaction. At dad's heart, God has the heart of a father. And faced with a dad, a non-believer,

who is able to have his children baptized and to give them that courage. Do you think that God would be capable of leaving him far from him? Do you think so? No. See, this is a pro... Okay, that's beautiful, but I do have a problem with this where I'm just going like, uh... You know. Cause it's just the baptized thing that gets wrong in the head.

No, it's like couldn't God have like maybe... Killed his dad. Oh yeah. Well that's God's plan. And then they're always like, well that's God's plan. That's where that- I mean like there is a- there's gotta be a part of you! You know like, Sarah Silverman used to have this great joke which was like, uh... She has so many great God jokes. Make a wish kids Yeah, you know, yeah, how did it go out of that joke go make a wish kids

I mean, well there there is one wish Why'd you have to call it that oh yeah, she goes it should have been called make a different wish Oh, yeah, she goes it should have been called make a different wish But you know, I guess like to me Ruby I'm sorry like I Discovered the exciting action of bed MGM casino check out a wide variety of table games with a live dealer or enjoy over 3,000 games to choose from like cash eruption UFC, UFC Gold Blitz, Make Insta-Deposits or Same-Day Withdrawals. Download the BetMGM Ontario app today. Visit betmgm.com for terms and conditions. 19 plus to wage your Ontario only. Please gamble responsibly. If you have questions or concerns about gambling or someone close to you, please contact Connex Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement

with iGaming Ontario. I don't like I'm an orphan. Like both of my parents are dead. Yeah. And well now I have a family. Yeah. But anytime I go chasing after some place, that place minus the community that you're talking about, just it's just like a set. I, do you worry, I worry about like the wound,

like the dad-shaped hole or whatever, the thing you're talking about, the orphan wound, and you go running into the world, and I think that it tricks you, and it can trick you over and over and over again, and it's like tricks you with like, you're filling it with alcohol, you're filling it with alcohol, you're filling it with, you're smoking all the time,

or stand up, unfortunately, like stand up. You know what I mean? But like you can use, you can treat anything in your life badly if you're using it to distract yourself from your big old orphan hole. You know what I mean? Like, it's so scary. It's this thing, I feel like I've tricked myself over and over again

into the thing that actually isn't for me. I'm just looking for authority. What if it's not your dad though? No, my dad or whatever. What if it isn't a dad-shaped hole? Yeah. That's the other trick, isn't it? The other trick is you want an explanation.

Yeah. For the suffering. Like a narrative, yeah. The story. Find a reason that this neurosis exists. And then if you have that reason, you know, it's a less of a chaotic world. But oh my god. What if that's not it at all? Do you ever think about, not to say that like, clearly these are these where we crystallize as humans and those but

Well, that's the thing with like that we're saying with I guess that's what I've been thinking about recently because with Catholicism That's the thing of like when you're born It's just that that's the tumble and all the mistakes you are made. Yeah, just because you got you had to be born So, you know what I mean? And all the wounds that you have are just the wounds that happen when you fall out of the ethereal Heaven or whatever and have to be on earth with the dirt and the bugs and the capitalism and the presidents and the knives and the blood Yeah, and then so inevitably you get wounded no matter and some wounds are bigger than others take up your cross Take up your cross that's that that is good

I think is a real divergent point between Buddhism and Christianity is that Whereas Buddhism kind of deconstructs the identity so you really realize like it's not a dad-size hole. It's a universe-size hole And but but But whereas with Christianity, that's where they just split, because Christianity is like, no. Just forget about, like, it's not about, it's not about the whole. It's about the soul, it's about Jesus, it's about connecting to that energy.

Put that on the back of a car. It's not about the whole, it's about the soul. It's not the size of the whole, it's the size of the soul. It's about Jesus. It's about connecting to that energy. Put that on the back of a car. It's not about the hole, it's about the soul. It's not the size of the hole, it's the size of the soul! You're the best. Thanks for coming on here. And you must not stop doing stand-up. You're so funny. You got any... have you been outlining a little bit Ruby? You got any shows come out? I was not right now. I had I need to figure out how to I need to do that

But I but I just had a bunch of I had the don't tell set come out. So that's cool Where is it? It's just on YouTube the don't tell Did took footage of me that is very nicely lit and sounds nice. And it's seven minutes. Oh my God. Good stand-by. That is so great. All the links you need to find it will be at dougatrussell.com.

Come see us in Seattle. You can see Ruby live. And she's brilliantly funny. And thank you so much for coming on the show. All right. That was Ruby Setnick. Everybody, all the links you need to find her will be at dougatrussell.com.

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