Duncan Trussell Family Hour - 703: Keith Jardine & Tait Fletcher

Episode Date: August 9, 2025

Keith Jardine (actor, director, and MMA legend) & Tait Fletcher (actor & director) join the DTFH! You can stream Keith and Tait's new movie, Kill Me Again, on Amazon Prime Video! New Zealand and Australian family! Duncan is headed your way this month! Click to get tickets for his shows in Auckland, Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne, and Perth! Thank you, and we love you!! This episode is brought to you by: Check Out Squarespace.com for a free trial, and when you’re ready to launch, Squarespace.com/DUNCAN to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain. This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/duncan and get on your way to being your best self. Visit trueclassic.com/DUNCAN to save. Shop now and elevate your wardrobe today.

Welcome, my friends, to the DTFH. Thank you for joining us. I've got a great episode for you today. My dear friend, Tate Fletcher, hit me up not that long ago and told me he had a new movie coming out. Kill me again. He told me he made it with Keith. Now, and that Keith and him were going to come and do a podcast.

I didn't know he meant Keith Jardine, the famous UFC fighter. And so, holy fucking shit. Suddenly I was getting to hang out with Tate Fletcher, Keith Dardino directed this incredible new horror movie, Kill Me Again. We talk about it in the episode, so I'm not going to bore you with the details, but it is now streaming. Won't you do all of us a favor and stream that tonight? It's really good.

It's really spooky. And I think you'll see from the conversation with these two awesome humans that people like them need to keep making movies. So everybody, please welcome to the DTFH, Tate Fletcher, and Keith Dardine. Keith, Tate, welcome. Welcome, my friends, to the DTFH. Thank you for joining us. I've got a great episode for you today.

My dear friend, Tate Fletcher, hit me up not that long ago and told me he had a new movie coming out, kill me again. He told me he made it with Keith. Now, and that Keith and him were going to come and do a podcast. I didn't know he meant Keith Jardine, the famous UFC fighter. And so, holy fucking shit, suddenly I was getting to hang out with Tate Fletcher, Keith Jardine, who directed this incredible new horror movie, Kill Me Again. We talk about it in the episode, so I'm not going to bore you with the details, but it is now streaming.

Won't you do all of us a favor and stream that tonight? It's really good. It's really spooky. And I think you'll see from the comments. conversation with these two awesome humans that people like them need to keep making movies. So everybody, please welcome to the DTFH, Tate Fletcher, and Keith Dardine. Keith, Tate, welcome to the DTFH. I am thrilled to meet you, Keith.

Tate, I love you forever. We've been friends forever. And I got to tell you, man, this movie. you have coming out it is so up my alley and i am so excited to see it um do you why don't we just start by playing the clip all right man it's a gruesome scene here in the heights hikes turn that up it is still preliminary but with the midnight mangler on the loose oh you can sit anywhere mangler who comes up with these names hi can i help you coffee Just want to have talk.

I could you turn that up? Is everything okay? Do you ever get deja vu? Every night. I guess you turn that up? No! I'm caught in like this time loop. It's a record scratch.

That just keeps like... It just keeps repeating. Oh, you can... Grab a seat anywhere. I could you turn that up? You can just sit anywhere. You just sit anywhere. You just sit anywhere.

You put a shark in a tank full of guppies. What do you think is going to happen? You see my friend? No. I just came to say hi and to get to know you a little bit. Why? I'm going to kill you. Shoot.

Food's here. Midnight man. It's a hell of a moniker. He didn't flush. What do you think, then? Good? Catchy? What do you think he looks like?

We'll have three more beers. Keep that cold. I'll be right back. You really disappoint me? You're gonna let them break you. I can't keep doing the same thing over and over again. Why are you here? I don't know.

Yes, you do. I'm scar here Oh Yeah Kill me again Groundhog's day But a serial killer Holy shit

So did you Did you write this? Did you come up with this? I did every fucking thing When did the idea pop into your head? You know what? I have a movie that Studio wants to do

and they're about to do this they cover the script and say we want to do this and they're like who's going to direct it and who's going to produce it because it's clearly not going to be me so we're during the rider's strike

and I wanted to squeeze something in so I'm sitting down on my computer I write every day I'm thinking what can I do this high concept that I can do like cheap in one location and all that and time loop

time loop I thought I love brownhongs I love time loop it's interesting man I get into that but then I thought well what about what if That guy, would have the Bill Murray character was a serial killer?

It's so brilliant because it's one of those ideas. It happens in stand-up. You'll see someone do a joke. And for all of time, that premise was just sitting there for anyone to grab. But somehow everyone missed it.

And damn, man, you... Of course, like a serial killer having to loop murdering people over. And that's it, man. And that's exactly what I felt. Like, I was like, first I'm looking like, I can't, I wrote the beginning of the end first, right? In the first few weeks, we're at the beginning and the end of it.

You don't even know about the end. It's like, blow your fucking mind. But, like, I cannot believe this hasn't been. It's so obvious that this has to have been done. I'm looking, I'm looking at it hasn't been done. I can't believe this. Yeah, it's, it's so simple, right? It's so simple.

But also, I have to ask this, and you were there for the production of this thing. So in the show I did for Netflix, The Midnight Gospel, we did a time loop. And when we came up with it, we really weren't thinking about, well, how do you make a time loop episode? We really thought it would be easy. And then somewhere like a week into trying to make this thing, people started losing their mind. The logic of everything. The logic. It's a puzzle box.

And it's so much more difficult. than a typical linear movie. So did you, going into it, did you realize? I had no idea. You know, the middle is always the hardest when you get into the middle and the logic of everything. This is happening at this time,

this is happening at this time, and it has to match up. And it's like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. That was something. Oh, my God, yeah. But like anything done well, right, when you watch it, it should seem easy.

Like, oh, yeah, of course, that's no big deal. But no, you're right. It's cool that you say that because, yeah, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, losing sleep. I was struggling, man. Yeah. Like, well, this is happening there. And then what's happening over here?

Well, that was happening here earlier. And then you got to almost have like a paper of things, like a chronological. So we, our animation director had a stack of paper this big, detailing everything. No, with animation, it's even harder because you fuck up an animation. That's a, like, a few seconds could be a month of work that you've got to read. do. But it wasn't just that. It was the, it's an equation that everything has to work perfectly. One tiny thing out of place. And it wrecks. Like, like tape ringing the freaking bell. And you get in the edit, too, and that's a whole other process in the edit. Oh, God. Yes. Yeah. I don't think

people realize that. We certainly didn't. But I was wondering if you get into, if you ever gotten into at like Nietzsche that much? I wish. Well, you would love it. I could sound smart. Nietzsche, well, it's number one, very useful if you're trying to sound smart. You could just mention Nietzsche like I just did because I want to seem smart. But he had this terrible theory.

And his theory was that, and this is more of a thought experiment. I'm not sure he really believed it. But he talked about a most. of reincarnation where you're just looping your life over and over and over again, but with no change. In other words, there isn't even a possibility for change. And these Ground Dog Day movies, the protagonist has some realization, grows like in any movie. And from Nietzsche's horrific perspective, nothing changes. It's just a looping record player. There is no change at all. And he was saying this because he's like, if this is true, in the majority of your life,

you're not happy, you're in hell. And if this is true in the majority of your life, you are happy, it's heaven. And so this was his explanation for deja vu. It's just like what you hit on here. I just was curious your thoughts on what movies like this are sort of pointing towards, which is not just we all get caught in habitual loops and live the same day over and over again, but potentially we could be in a loop. Yeah, and breaking out. Yeah, to me that's what it was.

And inspiration was all the things I said about watching the time loop movies and all that, but having just gone through COVID where that was a great time loop for me, but it was a goddamn it was a time loop. Yeah. You know, I've been teaching myself how to be a writer, and I started years before that, But honestly, COVID was a gift because I spent like eight hours every day

just fucking putting sessions in of writing, writing, writing, writing, writing, writing, same next day, same thing, next day, same thing. What was that? A lot of people say eight hours a day. A lot of people are like, I don't have poured everything.

It's like he put into this the way he would put into fighting and training is that every day he's at the same coffee shop with all these inane little voices around of all these college students chirping and he's here focused on this thing and he's writing for eight or ten hours a day leaves for a half hour to go do some push-ups or whatever comes back writes another six hours and then goes home and then the next day is the same day it's his groundhog day in this deep

dive exploration for since COVID I mean every day since COVID so there's to put it in perspective too there's four or five different scripts that are completely done that are full-link features and then none of that fits into what we need to happen during this strike in this very small window of time you've got to crunch everything into 12 days right and so weeks before the shoot is happening I'm going to write this thing here and I know what it is and that and it was phenomenal like the consequence of pressure and time of like this has to happen right now this is where this was born pressure and time the most stressful thing I've ever done true and like we didn't have, we didn't even have our SAG go until we never got it because it just happened

like days before, they just happened to release a strike. And I'm stressing, I got this crew and everything ready to go and I don't have, I don't have the money yet. I don't have everything. Like, I just set this date and we're going and by God, everything's going to come together and make it happen. And thank God it did. And I did my short the same way.

I just set this date, we're going to do this thing. And like, it's crazy things just happen to come together, man. And not a movie is just seen. There's something powerful about. that I think too. It's like if you don't proclaim a date of the birth, then there's no birth. There's just palaver, right? Right. Yeah, that's true. I mean, this is, obviously, it's fairly non-standard for this. This episode of the DTFH has been brought to you by my longtime friends over at SquareSpace. Square space, they're friends with humanity itself,

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the nine realms. Thank you, Squarespace. a martial artist and athlete to transition into becoming a writer i'm sure that's happened i can't think of it off the top of my head but that is sort of a wild thing it's interesting that you applied whatever discipline you applied to learning how to fight to the creative process what you said is it though and it's first started with acting is like i'm trying to to compete with acting and this movie business anything's far more competitive than fighting fighting is easy you win you keep winning they can't ignore you right but um so putting the hours so i'm trying

to compete to be an actor like i got to put my hours in on this right and then that turned into like well i want more complex roles and stuff so i didn't learn how to write i'm a horrible writer i tell you the truth like i could barely write a business email you know right it took me an hour to write the fucking quote of um what my thoughts on this movie were you know what i mean but so i taught myself how to write I know dialogue. I just work with that. And I know what I love movies. And it's just like the way I write is I write the movie I want to see.

And I'll just beat it. I'll just beat it. I'll just beat it. I'll just beat it. And I'll just beat it until I get it. I'll just beat at it. And then like real writers do an outline and have the beginning, middle, and end before they even start. And I just go from the character's point of view.

And I just beat at it until I finally get to where I want to be until I got the movie I want to see. Well, I mean, that's sort of like, you know, when you, like, the people I know are writers. when you realize how a lot of the work they're doing is just drudgery. Like you have this fantasy of it being some kind of like beautiful, romantic

creative thing and you realize like they're basically just digging ditches like every day. It's just like a grind. It's torture man for those rare moments of like when I wrote the first scene of this and all it's working. It's like the character's telling you what to do and you can't write fast enough

and all that. But that happens once in a long while, but that gives you hope for all those bad days where it's just like I'm staring at the computer and I wrote one line the whole day and that. Yeah, man. It's nuts. The muse. You know, right, Tate? It's the delusion that people see when they see a product.

You know, like you look at a Nike and you can't unsee that Nike almost didn't happen or FedEx or something like that, right? You can't fathom that that was a tenuous time that maybe it all fell into the chasm. Yeah. And I think the same thing here. It's like, it's like fighting. It's like people go, oh, I want to see George, I want to be George St. Pierre under the lights.

Yeah. You don't know what 7 a.m. with broken toes inside the kilos. Broken toes. You know what I mean? You don't know what that is. That's right. And it's like that thing.

It's like, just move the dirt. And that's life everywhere. That's a transcendent quality of like, whatever it is you want to be good at. You want to be good at comedy. Yeah, I want to be Dave Chappelle. Or like, cool story. You're going to have to suck a whole lot.

And that's going to be horrid. and your ego is going to tell you you're horrible and you want to feel good about yourself like yeah all these things and so it's just like how do you fall in love with the work enough to get a product ever well this is the i think this is sort of the the mythology that has emerged from movies is like god what's that stupid movie with lady gaga she's at a karaoke bar he comes in caesar singing next thing you know she's selling out arenas that is fucking bullshit it does not work like that. And I think what you were alluding to when you're talking about acting is, I remember my

friend was telling me how, how as a musician, you become successful, how there's politics, how there is campaigning, there is PR, how I remember seeing a documentary on Elliot Smith, this brilliant heroin-addicted folk musician. And somewhere in there, he's like on the phone with this publicist. And that's what it really is. You have to, it's, there is this fantasy of like, someone hears your music and the next thing you know, you're a star. It's bullshit. And that's just not how any of this stuff works.

It's a grind. You don't, and honestly, got to help you if you skip that part because. Yeah, yeah, but I think that's what it should seem. If you're successful, it should be like, oh, they just did that overnight. Like, you just wrote this thing and made a movie. Simple. Just fell out of, just fell out of my fingers. I think anything good seems simple like that, though.

I've been thinking about this lately. Like, everything should make sense. Oh, obviously, you do this. Obviously, in this movie, that happens, of course, the twist at the end. That was obvious after you see it. Right. This is, I mean, I got kids, and I'm always telling them, like, they'll see it. They're used to cars with no driver.

And I'll tell them, you know, to me, that's not normal. Right. You know, like, there was a time when that would have actually, that would have caused police to show up. They think it's normal. And, you know, all of the, you know, generations of people were born into the internet, born into social media, born into this, like, hyper-advanced technological civilization. And to them, it seems simple.

Like, of course there's the ability to instantaneously communicate with everyone on the planet. Right. That's normal. Through video or whatever, live. Yeah, yeah. It's interesting because it's a double-edged sword. I mean, you should, what are you going to do?

Walk around all day in awe of the world that we're in. And the backs, the many backs that it's built on, World War II, God knows how many people have just died. The kids ground up in factories, working in factories. I ever told my kid that the other day. I was like, you know, because he was watching, my kids watching Vlad Nicky. I'm sure you guys have no idea what this is a shit parents now. Vlad and Nikki is kids are obsessed with this shit

and it's just some I don't know I think they're Dutch it's these Dutch fucking kids started off as a YouTube channel these Dutch kids running around doing weird shit in their house with their mom

and one of my kids said to me you know Vlad Nicky when they ask their mom if they can go to a water park their mom just says yes I'm like that's because Vlad Nicky's not real Vlad Nicky you don't and I was explaining to them you don't see the take

in between when the mom's like fuck you flat act like you're having fucking fun our future depends on this and basically explaining these kids are being probably exploited they'll be laws against this in the future and then kids are going to see their drug problems later

but the point is we're just exactly we're standing on the backs of people who made it look simple and no one seems to realize that everything around you is a result of somebody busting their fucking ass failing losing dying so but i agree with you like nobody wants to see the

everybody wants a hack though right you look at like what's what oh i'm a biohacker i'm a everybody wants yes okay here's the cake here's the line to get the cake i want to run around here somehow right and that's the delusion everybody it's like when you bring up nietzsche like a drunk right yeah like and so you think about like why do you think you're in a time loop well because i'm attached to this thing in my life that rots me. Yeah. And I don't understand that because I think it's nourishing. I'm in a twist of what is real and what's not real. Right. And so everybody's kind of in that. And like at the end of the day, I think when you distill all this stuff down, it's like, what does self-development look like? And if you're not attached to self-development as the final

outcome, there's no movie at the end of that. There's no, there's no anything at the end of that because it's all self-interested. And when you start to get out of, I just, I think there's something top down about that like what's the most a kid asked me this guy that wanted to be an actor and he says what do you think the most important thing that i do is i go that you heal right and if you're not looking towards your healing at a certain point i don't know what the vibration is that you can create on that's not chaos right you know right yeah exactly man yeah sure the the the problem with that what you're saying is and this is also a problem with movies they have to have an ending.

I mean, you know, I don't have time to do it and I don't even know how I do it. But I want to see the next two hours after a porn shoot. You know what I mean? So the movie starts with the end of the shoot and then carries on through the rest of the day. That's the darkest movie.

You know what is? Yeah, this is great. Yeah, like, or the credits roll in a rom-com. Yeah. They're at a wedding. Birds are flying. everyone's happy. Let's cut to two years later.

It all ends up as the wrestler. Yeah. Exactly. Or showgirls, like that. Which is a prequel for the whiplash, if you ever seen that. Right. I haven't seen that. Whiplash is amazing, man. It's about a drummer that sacrifices his whole life to be good at this one thing and all that.

And to me, there's nothing that equates more to fighting or whatever than this movie. Right. But it's supposed to be, what is weird about whiplash. You haven't seen it, but it's supposed to be, I was listening to a thing from the director, and it's supposed to be a cautionary tell about being over-devoted to something and all that. Yeah. You're supposed to say, you're not supposed to do this. Like, well, no, this is how greatness comes, man.

Right. This is how we got our great musicians, our great artists, or great anything. Oh, it's true. Just selling out their lives, selling her soul to the devil just to do this thing. That's true. Yeah. Yeah, my God, it's true, but the cautionary part, I guess, is that, I mean, you watch any music behind the music documentary, right? there is the former god whoever it may be they were on stage they were like sex symbols

they were like probably channeling like spirits who knows and now they got a little tremble in their hand they can't remember much anymore they're like confused a little bit and that's the cautionary tale is it's like the problem is it can't last and so yeah maybe that version of you that version of you is a legend but now what that's why I keep and me and Tate talk about this just keep recycling

you talk about rebirth and groundhogs today and it's keeping to keeping life like your teenagers like I'm still I'm a teenager now still dreaming to be a movie director a movie writer you know

right I transitioned to from what I was doing to become a fighter from finding to acting and finding to be a movie maker and it's just like just a complete rebirth and it's a complete like

sacrifice as far as your finance is going and everything and it's like everything's insecure you know but just to be able to do that and still be able to be a child like that that's a huge part of it too is like believing that because people look at that they look at a product and they go oh well they had this going from back going it's like no you you have to conspire to allow a space for that to happen that you don't know how it'll happen right there's that and that's that we were talking about yesterday about like the Wright brothers flying and like and like they said

the greatest main spring of their accomplishment was this childish face right right that they had which is what which is like of course Superman flies of course if I get the tops of garbage cans I can fly off the garage we don't think you're talking about that really we don't think about this like to be it to fly in an airplane like like like that was like stop me talking about the reporters yeah yeah I can't report on this because like nobody would believe me okay check this out can you can you can you Google um attempt to fly off the Eiffel Tower because the Wright brothers get all the credit but there are a lot of

of people trying to fly my friends lots of people they didn't fly yeah what's his name drove right into the potomac river there's i mean there's all all the failures was it the attempt to fly off the ivel tower this guy thought he figured out a way to basically like he'd sort of come up yeah look at this he'd come up with an idea for a wing suit yeah yeah this shit is but again when we're up in an airplane we're not thinking about the people who did who sacrificed their lives let's just see if you could find the video in there because it's a debt by the way anyone who's horrified by death

you should understand this gentleman with a beautiful mustache here thought he knew I thought look at this thing go ahead click that so this motherfucker thought that that was going to help him fly they didn't know look at that beautiful mustache

who I would have tested it on the garage first before I went to the Eiffel Tower I mean you could probably bet that guy doesn't have a lot of friends could you know mean because your friends are like dude that's not going to work the belief in yourself to make this step that first step oh my yeah look at this go ahead get to the jump i i mean i that's it that step right there into anything is always the hardest they should show this oh there it went

bye bye oh didn't work well he moved fast you know what i mean like so that that that's the real truth about it is like the the though it's like you guys are examples of you know the on what happens on the other side of transformation from one thing to the next and good examples of it but also the reason it's thrilling is there is no guarantee just because you try to go into some new chrysalis melt yourself down turn into a different type of creature on the other side of that you might just be some melted pulp it didn't fucking work there is no guarantee but to me it doesn't matter i think even if you are some pulsing like i don't remember the fly you go god when like the brundle fly even if you do turn into some rotten thing if you

didn't quite pull it off who gives a fuck you tried this guy's this guy's better than any of us this son of a bitch believed in himself enough to jump off the fucking eyeful tower did he make it no but the thing is is he's part in the in a string of what success happened later, right? Yeah. He maybe was an integral part that had to happen. Right. In that.

Something that's been helpful for me is from fighting is this old samurai thing, seek death, right? If you go into a fight with wanting to win at the end, like the samurai, they just hand down doctrines to their kids and all that, and it's all written down about their advice. And like, you should go into a fight, like actually wanting, actually they want simultaneous death,

but to go seek death, find that good death. because if you're trying to win, then you're thinking about that the whole time. And so that goes with a seek failure, man, like with actor. Seek death. Yeah, yeah. That's beautiful. That should be the name of this episode. Seek death.

No, but for sure. I mean, in Buddhism, the term for this is abandon all hopes of fruition. Yeah. Meaning if you're getting into this with some, like, goal of enlightenment, forget it. Because that, that, the moment you let go of that, completely. That's when you can actually access the present moment. You'd always be disappointing, too, that at the end, when your goal is that and you get to the end, and it's like, I've been around like Rashad Evans after he won a championship with the most oppressed I've ever seen him, you know?

There you go. I've heard this story that, you know, in the old days, the comedy landscape obviously has changed massively. But in the old days, it wasn't, you could upload your stand up to YouTube and maybe that would get asses. You were yelling in an empty room. That's right. And you had to get on the Tonight Show. You had to. Like, you had to get on something where people could see you.

And then you were set. But they say, post- Tonight Show set, you were invited on the couch. The next day your phone is going to be ringing off the hook. You're in your hotel room thinking about putting a fucking gun in your mouth. That you got to the top of the mountain. And now what? Yeah, now what? Now what?

You're still in a goddamn hotel room. You're still by yourself. You're still a person. Isn't that the problem with looking for like, I need a result instead of just being in the activity? Yes. Right? I fall in love with the process, not have an end in the result.

If I got an end in the result, that's heartbreak. And also it's like such an ego-driven thing that I have missteps along the whole way. And I think this idea, seek death is like, if I throw all myself into it, because this thing's going to end anyway. Do I not want to have tried as hard as I could? And then the next thing unfolds, and either this comes then, for me, into faith and going, have I not been carried this far? Right.

And if I try with this kind of fervor, tenacity, enthusiasm, does not the next thing also offer a whole lot of, you know, just a different class in life school? That's right. You know what you said, remind him, I haven't thought about this in a long time. I don't talk about this fight enough, but when I fought Chuck Liddell, I remember I was running, I was doing like damn sprints or something, and, you know, I was in the middle of the sprints, And I was thinking, like, what if, what if I was going to die in two weeks? Like, this fight's happening in, like, a week. What if I was going to die in two weeks?

Then how important is this fight? And, like, what would I want to say, like, on my deathbed? Like, what did I give to this fight? Did I just, like, show myself and give everything, or was I tight, you know? Yeah. And just that idea helped me out so much. And it goes with everything. What if you want to die here pretty soon?

Like, how would you want people to remember this movie? Yeah. Did I give everything I got to it? Or did I play the safe way? That's it. But, you know, if you ever read Man Search for Meeting by Victor Frankel? Actually, I have it on my list. You will love it.

But one of the things he says in there is live every day, as though you were on your deathbed and had been given the chance to go back and not make the same mistakes. And, dude, I, you know, I only have one. First of all, I must, I'll tell you about the time I fought Chuck Lidale. It was bad for me, like really bad. They did him. He threw me into the wall. It really, I couldn't I don't want

It's another podcast But I got one of my balls cut off I got ball cancer And I can remember I can remember You know that was I'd rather fight Chuck Ladell No you wouldn't

No you wouldn't Because like when you They cut your ball If you're asleep When you fight Chuck Lidell You know you see that You've seen the look in his eye But

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Suddenly having like true confirmation of my own mortality I remember said like result you're waiting for results it might have gotten in your brain, you don't know and I remember that moment of like oh fuck I really might die pretty soon here

and that was the birth for me and that was when I became a human that was when suddenly it's like oh shit I'm human now and I don't want to say fucked up but like my wife you know she likes to plan way out and ever since I had to contend with my own mortality

it's harder for me to do that it's hard for me to think really far ahead because I know how quickly things change. I don't even think that's the way to live. I mean, that idea, that sense that I'm in control of this bitch is insane. And to let it unfold is that not always a better result is what I think. I remember when you were getting interviewed about something and you were talking about

this on the patio at the comedy store and you were saying, yeah, this lady she wants to talk to me or she did talk to me and she's saying, you know, as a cancer survivor and you were revolted by the idea and thought that that's what my life is distilled down to and that could be almost like any of these events though this movie is not his life it's like all of these things is like

it kind of robs me of who I am to go and that's the thing about being on TV or being a fighter or being what like you get stuck in categories and that's not who you are today of what you did yesterday it's not you know it degrades kind of the rest of your own humanity and this idea about moving forward with it it's like the tonight

show. I got here and now there's a result. It's like, no, there's your whole life. It's like, oh, I got a SAG award or I got a, it's like, it's inconsequential. Well, you guys are both similar in this way. Like, what the fuck are you guys? You're some kind of crazy hybrid something. None of it makes much sense. Like being a fighter is already like insane. That's an insane job. Like that's insane. That's, that job doesn't make sense. But it's an old job. It's an old job. it's been it's maybe one of the oldest jobs and then it's just a different kind of horrid i think it's really similar to a lot of things like probably wanted to be a comedian and trying to be a vocal star a music star or anything like a lot of us like we come from humble backgrounds right where we just

want to prove to everybody that that we're something right and for us especially the way we're built and all that well that's fighting right like if i can if i can if i can if i can if i can go in the world say fighting the UFC and beat beat some people up and then people will respect me then they'll know that like I'm really made it I'm worthwhile on something yeah and that becomes your identity a little bit which is another thing where this had to really break me out of that because you know I'm I'm I'm really something I was a fighter I did big thing so that's my whole identity that's it yeah super shallow right yeah so there's two sides of the thing from people yeah to to be that to have done something really it's like well who am I under these conditions these austere conditions of like being in a cage

in my underwear and I might get dominated or something in the most primal way possible in front of a public up, right? It's like, yeah, that's an insane idea. Well, I mean, you overthink it. You should talk to my dominatrix. That's as clues as I've ever come to that. I'm so sorry, you guys.

Go ahead. I'm sorry. But the idea, too, that like you're in this warrior class or something. Then you look at people in line at McDonald's, you're like, fucking drive just drive off a cliff. And so then the only people, and so then to come out of that and go, oh, this is not what this is.

is either and who am I now without if I get reductive about it all and there's no family there's no kids there's no wife there's no job there's who am I when I get up in the morning and put my feet on the ground yeah who are we going to go be today and that's a different thing all the time and that's what I'm working on that's what I'm working on tell you talking about living like like if you're on your deathbed like what did you do today well I spent all day on coffee shop working on my script like well I wasn't hanging around family I wasn't doing anything so I'm trying to find that balance right yeah I'm dealing with right now too you know I think the balance the biggest things about that too is like when we're taxi cabs or whatever and talking to drivers like it's like

I try to bring that and I don't do it well but like to get into this perfection of being interested in other people and and being is kind and is like because you do walk in looking like this and you're like do I set a room at ease or are people on edge now like how can I bring a comfort of something into something that people weren't expecting right and and that's what that's because you guys come in a room and People are like, whoa, fuck. We were joking on the way over here. Like, we're talking before we're coming here.

Like, we're getting plane tickets and, like, Southwest, right? If I'm sitting on the aisle, like, I don't have to worry about anybody sitting on the middle seat next to me. Oh, no, you don't. You can do whatever you want. No one's going to say shit. The whole plane will fill up, and then the last person will be forced to. All right, I guess I'll sit there. Every seat is taken on the plane.

Just take a middle seat and people are like, okay. You know, man, I'm sitting. I was sitting on a plane. I want to sit next to you I don't want you to sit next to me You're not taking up too much face I'm sitting on a plane

This dude's legs are pushing into me Right And he didn't mean it or whatever But you know I'm like dude Can you move your legs please And then I notice cauliflower ears I'm like oh motherfucker

This guy's some kind of You said something though It was too late If I'd see the ears I wouldn't have been a pussy I didn't see the ears If I'd see the years I'd probably would have been like

I just deal with it all choke you out man but yeah i mean this is again like this is what's fascinating i mean i remember like when you started showing up in movies yeah i'd just you know i'd be watching a movie and i'm like that's date what the fuck you're just suddenly it happened and i think there's a like anyone who wants to get into acting it's already hard but to get into acting i do feel like you're up against something extra because people are like what do you you can't act you're a fight or you're not a fucking act what are you gonna be able to do this we both had to kill that man and we turned down roles that relate to fighting all that stuff i'm sure because that's probably

all you're going to get offered is like mercenary roles you look the bit and if that's all you offer is what you look i mean and so that's the other thing is like how do you engage and present yourself in a way that it's your full self and then you got to ask yourself the question well what is my full self then because i've just been doing this thing right and so like this you know it is there are all these like sheddings that happen about well who am i today though that's different than it was last week yeah but you're talking about that and i feel think oh tate was a fighter and then all so now he's in all these roles because he looks a certain way and because if i don't know he made himself super valuable to whatever production he's on and did that work you know yeah but okay let's go

way back so there something happened both of you where where most of us where we give up you guys didn't give up what's that moment don't um what's the thing we said right away is like don't let your uh your memories become larger than your dreams um cool yeah after a while i think too in life whether it's in relationship or in what like you're like i already know what it's like to quit right what would it be like if i stuck around right what would it be like and now what what would be like not if i just stuck around what would be like if i really tried yeah what if i really believed in myself. Those are growing, that for me, those are growing things. That not, I see guys that I know that are like, they're just confident. They love it under the, like little John Dodson is a guy built

for the life he has, right? And, and for me, I'm kind of shy and reserved and all that. And like, and so it's different in that way. I think it's a growing process. I don't know that there's one of that. I had a conversation in my late 20s when I was dabbling in MMA. And I was starting to win grappling tournaments and all that stuff. And like, I think I'm going to give this a go. And then I started thinking about my history of play college football and whatever and like have I ever really given 100% of myself to anything I'm like I haven't so what if I give 100% of myself like I gave up my hobbies I gave up my motorcycle like everything at that point I'm just completely focused on fighting and then things started happening and then so so that I just pull that into everything else yeah do you like

what were your how did your parents react to you guys when you like how do you like how do How are your parents involved in this? This is interesting to me because I'm a father and I'm curious. Like, do you have any moments you remember with your dad's that, like, helped you or did they hinder you? Real quick. Yeah. Can I ask you to move the mic either left or right? I want to see your face a little bit more.

Like, yeah, there you go. Oh, right there. Perfect. Thank you. Oh, right there. Oh, right there. Hi. I'm an actor, I should know where the cameras are, right?

You're off, you're off the clock, it's okay. That's kind of like walking into a room and knowing where all the doors are. Okay, I had a, I've got such a nice relationship with my dad right now, and I'm really grateful for it and all that. But we were disassociated for a long time. And then I know, too, when I did hear. murmurings like from people that were in common he didn't like it like but also it was better than where I'd been right it's like there's I mean I had a colorful background that he was not happy with also my mom um who when my mom and dad got divorced she came out to New Mexico to be near and she's like

I just want family around and you're separated from your your previous life and everybody goes one so she didn't have a lot of friends and she just wanted to recreate a life so she came out and moved to Santa Fe. And when she did that, she, she, uh, she'd take grappling class. She, she's like, she goes and tries jiu-jitsu, right? Yeah. And so she'd probably done, I don't know, 10 or 20 jiu-suitsu classes, right? And so she's like, what, what is this you're up to?

And she's like, oh, boy, that's hard. Even when you're just sitting there, it's like you're expanding, like, she gets, she wants to have an idea, she's an artist and she wants to have an idea of like, what is this that you're so enamored with. Right. And, um, and then she would go to fights of mine and stuff. And she doesn't want to see any of that. But she loves me.

And we've had a great relationship, you know. I take my kid to Jitsu. And let me tell you, as a dad, watch, and the class he goes, he's great because they put him against bigger kids. What schools he go to? Don't ask me that because I can't remember the fucking name. Delete that, so I don't look like a shitty dad. You know, I can't remember.

Hold on. No, I can't say. Actually, I don't want people to know a class. Yeah, of course. That's true, too. But he, what's the name of his teacher? I can't say that.

Why don't give you my address? Why don't you tell what school he goes to? You got a bumper sticker on your car? What about his doctor? Social Security. Is he vaccinated? Of course. We have been vaccinated every day.

I just got re-vaccinated. My 19th booster. We did it on the way up here. Good. I'm glad. You're safe. I just love the way it feels the vaccine. You just feel safe.

You just feel safe. It's hard to watch it. You know, the thing is, like, it's tough to watch your kid. You, because you're either, like, it's hard to find a balance. And either the kid is, like, you know, winning. And there's this part of you that's like, hell, yeah, watch my kid ravage of, what, a five-year-old? That's not a good thing to watch your kid to be happy. But then you're also, like, watching your kid fail.

And you know, that's the only way it's getting better. And you know you could kick that other kid, right? off of them. I do sometimes. I just get up and punt the fucker and then run out. But yeah, it's a tough thing to watch. But so from if you, you know, famously with comedians, if you want to make a great comedian, ignore your kids. You're going to get a great comedian. But not always. Not always. You're going to get a serial killer. We know some. But it's a good way to make either a sociopath or funny sociopath. But do you guys have any memories? Like, yeah, I, I, I, you know, I, you I hear you with your, I know about your colorful past, but do you have any memories, like,

where your folks sort of transmitted some of this stuff that you have grown into the lives that you have right now? You know, I live half my life with my mom, half my life with my dad, my early life. The first half, my mom was never really well, and we were always, like, the poor kids in town, you know, like the welfare family and all that, and she wasn't really well. And I don't know how this transitions, but one of the most beautiful mom. moments in my life was my last fight in the U.S. I fought a guy named Mark, Matt Hamill. And there's the first time I got my mom to come to a fight. And so I got her and Dana

took care of her. She sat ring side and all that. Yeah, it was a great moment. And she was super proud. I was a really war with Matt. Like, I don't know, I had a real problem with that fight. Like it was a split decision. I lost it. It was bloody. It was rough. It was like, whatever. And I just remember coming out of the ring and seeing my mom there all covered in blood. She gave me the biggest hug. And she's like, I'm so. proud of you and all that but yeah so that's cool to continue the story of that was on a saturday and uh on monday she passed away um but i think it was like um i think for her like that that was like such a big moment like that like she wasn't well and like that was like now it's okay now it's okay you know

now it's okay now i can like yeah me and my sister we weren't really sad about it we're i mean we're of course sad but we're just like this is just the way she want perfect yeah yeah yeah it's perfect and then and then and then you obviously cut me the day later are you fucking serious yeah yeah yeah yeah anyway it was fighting the night all that stuff i was not a great month man yeah yeah yeah um my dad talking about dad i come from really super um like you said my dad's super blue color and all that and um he doesn't understand what i'm doing right now he doesn't understand what it's like too he's a minor like i'm not in the mine he'd be so proud of us in the mine working every day coming home all dirty and all that stuff right and that that's real

work and like he doesn't understand what i say i'm going to work right i'm going to right sure his dad's he's got hands that he could palm my head and pick me up he's a this huge powerful really smiley loving gracious guy it's a it's and who's worked in minds this whole lot did you ever go down in the mines oh yeah i worked in mine before you've worked in a mine yeah yeah um i spent one summer um i was in the college okay you talk about story this is my favorite that dad was working in a mine the reopening of mine as an underground mind and the hoist is broken

so you go down these escape routes yeah and you go down I'm going to act like I've have experience in mines like yeah of course the escape me and Chuck the Dell fought down there I hate it when they're not worse than a broken hoist so you go down these tunnels thousands of feet and you go like 20 foot lengths on this wooden ladder 20 foot

and you cross over and we get the one you're about to get down you feel yourself leaning out towards the middle They're old, these 50-year-old ladders or whatever. Fuck. And so the guy, he went down, he had a job with a season minor, and the guy kind of had a panic attack the first day. And dad goes, tell us the guy, well, it was a summer break. Well, Keith will do it maybe.

And so he calls me on the phone. He's all, hey, are you afraid of heights? Like, he doesn't know, are you afraid of heights? And I thought, no. Well, you'll find out pretty damn quick. Looking into the black abyss. And so the first time we went down, you put these little catches on your on your on your on your belt that like if you go down

like a seatbelt it'll catch you so you don't fall in yeah and like hey you can work we're working the mind for a lot of week or two until we're going to go down there and do the thing and explore and do all that and you know well you can use one of those things that type whatever the catchalls or whatever you call them and like uh do you do that uh no no real miners don't do that shit okay no i don't need one that's hilarious This episode of the DTFH has been supported by my dear friends at true classic teas. My God, are you really going to blaspheme your precious human body temple by putting on a low-grade garbage t-shirt? You don't want to do that to yourself.

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They never wore helmets. You were a pussy if you wore a helmet in the 90s. It was like that. Hold on. I'm not going to say it's like snowboard. You're in a fucking mine. That's not snowboard. snowboarding at least like you're on a mountain top people can fly in i don't disagree

whoa but anyway back to my he's super dry he doesn't understand like how my pay whenever i say i'm doing so well does it pay like you don't understand right like because we're all living on a dream like money doesn't even mean anything this movie's going to come out i might make some money i might not make some money it's all just a dream the money's not real and all that and come from the world where's your paycheck every every double week right he comes to the sets though right like when we're shooting something And he's like in, I don't know what's in his mind, but he's like in awe of it all. And it's like, he's like, I guess this is a thing that's really had.

And other people seem to think that it matters. And so here's my son doing this thing. Oh, he's proud. It's really fucking. He's proud. It's so cool. Literally grew up in cabins with dirt floors. You know what I mean?

Yeah. No, that's incredible. I mean, that, no, trust me, that guy, his mind is blown. I'm sure. But, okay, let's get back to the movie. How much time do we have, by the way? Are we good on time? I don't want these guys to be late for...

1127. Got it. I'm just curious, sorry if you can't answer this right away. Please. How many times did the actors in there die in your movie? Like, how many death scenes did actors have to do over and over and over again? A lot. Shit, I don't know.

A lot. In the script, the day happened like 106 times or something like that. Oh, my God. So they had to go through like, 106 moments of like because setup clean up all the blood i mean you think about that the reset and all that right yeah it was wardrobe everything it was really something here is an interesting thing about that you since you know production um when i first had my my line producer um he put together the schedule and we only have 12 nights to do this and they're long nights or 5 pm to 5 am

kind of thing right yeah and well here's your here's your here's your schedule um well it was like 11 12 pages a day. I've never seen anybody do it before, but here you go, right? Oh my God. Like no solution, nothing, right? And like, so... Fuck. People are doing five pages a day and feel like, oh, we killed it. We got five pages today, right? No. You got to do more. So I'm shooting outside at the same time I'm shooting inside and I'm doing all kinds. I'm block shooting where I'll set up, say we're shooting you. Like you're, Brendan Fair, we got to talk about him at some point. He's freaking amazing. But like I'm shooting your scene right now, all the cameras, all the lighting set up to shoot you.

so I'll shoot two, maybe even three scenes this way, different scenes, and then turn it around and shoot the different scenes with me and Tate. Dude. And so him to be able to like, okay, on this scene, my energy's here, on this scene's my energy here, and memorize the lines, and be able to go through and do all the things. It was just like, it was really something. No, actors freak me out.

We never made a single day, by the way. Oh, you didn't? I mean, even the last day. Did you go over? could you you didn't go over no no like that's the thing that's what i'm proud of it as a writer-director is like you get to points where like one of my favorite scenes came out by this is like okay there's a scene that we really need to connect these things right on the outside and we're just not going to be able to get that we're not going to be good we're set up the cameras this way so

let's just make up this entire other scene that'll make that that bridge happen and then like just on the fly and then and brandon we're going to have to ad-lib this scene and make some stuff and just things like that. Did it work? Oh, yeah. It's my favorite scene of the movie now. Wow, dude, that's crazy. To be able to do that on the flight and all the pressure.

And, like, talk about imposter syndrome too, right? We talk about this, man. Like, was that one of the famous directors was saying that the hardest part about directing is getting out of your car in the morning. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've heard that. But it's Kubrick, I think. But it's so goddamn true. Like, I get to my car and the crew is already there, everything set up,

and talk about imposter syndrome. I'm like, I go out and do this thing. Oh, my God. I got all this money, people's money. Yeah. This is my chance. And at my age, you know, if this movie flops, like, right? Like, I'm not a college kid.

I'm not going to be like, I got 10 years to rebrand myself. You know what I mean? Like, this is now. Well, I mean, yeah. Like, you didn't go to film school? Like, that's the thing is, like, directing is it's the most intense, hyper-pressured job. And you have to, the best way I heard it described is, like,

it's like running a pirate ship. Like you basically like you have to be able to manage all these different personalities and keep everything harmonious and deal with all these fires that keep breaking out. And let people go. Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's that. And there's you're a writer too, right? Yeah.

I mean, I write. Yes. So when you write scripts, there's always this points or like what transition. I always talk about transitions because that's hard. You can write scenes. You got a piece of me out and make it work right. So going for one scene and you know there's like a whole little problem with script and you write this little filler and it'll work and you get on the day I hope we're

shooting this and like and then all of a sudden like everyone's ask you a question and it's a problem and everybody's staring at you the grips the live electricians lighter and like it's super quiet and like you don't really know the answer's like no you're the leader right you can't act like yeah this is the answer we're going to do this this this and you set up over there and do that yeah yeah god damn i hope that's the right answer because i was just pulling shit out my answer yeah yeah no exactly that's actually parenting too there's a lot of that you kind of have to act like you know and that's a lot of things but when you've got the extra burden of you know i don't know how much money you're burning

every five minutes but it's a lot of money every five you're just burning money so you can't fuck up that many times and it's people's jobs people's lives it's your life because if it doesn't look good if it comes out weird then actors trusted you to make them look good and they're trusted you with this part of their life? Like, yeah, I can make him look like an idiot and, like, ruin his career, you know what I mean? And the demeanor that he comes with is like, there's a lot of different,

I mean, there's people that are screamers. And so, like, you want to get a best result of somebody, how is it that my demeanor, regardless of the pressure that I'm under, it doesn't matter to the guy that's in front of me, what kind of pressure I'm under. I have to, and watching him walk through that was amazing. That's the best part of it, because you're an actor and you're working with other actors

and they're not really doing like it's just not right what they're doing I'm not talking about any specific just like it's just not really working but you know how they're struggling they're doing their best to give you the best and they're doing everything and they're like how do you have a conversation with them

okay well and how do you get it out of them and figure it out together what we need to make this scene work yeah yeah that's addictive man I love that because you say the wrong thing and they're going to spin out and then it's going to get worse

you Kubrick Speaking of Kubrick, he was the Hannibal Lecter of this shit. Like, supposedly he would get in your head. You've seen that documentary on The Shining. What he did is Shelley Duvall. But he would become really connected with the actors. And they thought it was, he was their friend. He never talked to you again.

But he was just merging with your mind. It's beautiful. It's great. It's crazy. Me and Brendan had this like, Brendan Farrer, by the way. He's just like, he's able to do what, what I'm like like this is going to be a breakout role from like he doesn't need to be a breakout he's a world-class actor but um he um he's in every almost every fucking scene um and it's just a twisted

tortured thing and what he does and what I'm proud of on the script is I make I make you fall in love and root for this really bad bad person cool and he's able to pull this off man wow It's really amazing, just so charismatic and all that. Wow. Yeah, and we developed this language working with them as like, you know, you never do readings for actors. You're not supposed to do that, right? Right, no.

Yeah, like, um. Line reads. Like, I'm saying the line the way I want you to say it. But I don't really know how to communicate that well. So we just learned, like, I would just do really bad readings like this and like a series of grunts and, you know, the way I talk. I'm not really loquacious, right? Yeah.

Yeah, got it. We'll get it. Let's go. Yeah. Yeah. And it was, yeah, yeah, it was great, man. Yeah, I don't know if it's all, like, yeah, definitely some actors get super butt hurt if you do a line reading for them. They get, if you ever heard the William Shatner when someone did a line reading for William Shatner?

I heard this. I forgot, though. Can you pull that up? It's amazing. William Shatner tortures this motherfucker who, like, God help him, gave William Shatner a line read. William Shatner given a line reading. I think it was a commercial. Let's see if we can find.

this. Oh, I did see this commercial. Let's just play a clip of this. This is what you don't want to happen. It's amazing. In a recording session, just so great. It really goes on a while. Maybe jump ahead a little bit. It's just, it's just, it'll be on set. You'll see him in a studio. I love it. Okay. Oh, it's not footage. No. No. Go to, I think if you. Animated, it would be funny. Where do you see? animated is up grab a coffee and discover nonstop action with BudMGM

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oh why don't you just come up here oh is that the way you'd like me to do it okay I'll do it that way okay no keep playing Val ready this is William Shatman and I would like to invite you take a journey with me into the 21st century so take the next few minutes and listen very closely you'll be amazed at what you hear

okay I think that came pretty close yeah don't do that people get pissed but I think some actors it's not just like it's a one-way street like that surely he knew this was like a first time directing

for you he's probably working with you too yeah he absolutely did man and we worked together too and it's like like i said before he's like we're in this together man we we signed up for this thing and like he studied for months beforehand like and he went really it's kind of cliche but he kind of went really one method on it like his wife was kind of worried about him a little bit no it that that when i one of my friends is in a in a movie and um he's a comic my friend johnny and i remember he was coming on the road with me he just finished this movie and I could, it's like

the character was on him like it was hanging on him this thing that he'd become and I was worried about him like it wasn't healthy like it made me feel like damn this stuff can like drive you insane

I can tell you about the set too and it was this set again like it really was groundhogs they were back at this diner again doing this thing the same characters in the diner and all that stuff and here we are again and and shooting nights so you are in a different world yeah exactly in a way you're an altered reality yeah you get like like you have no life you do like a 12 hour night you go to sleep whatever you study your lines you go back to work that that's a life and like we're in this

thing together um and so it was like by the end it like we could just see like the fatigue that you see on people's face on it was real but tate was that was it was our shining guy there man cheesecake tape. What do you mean? I was like, well, the littlest I could do is maybe help morale. And so every day about two or three in the morning, I'd break out these cheesecakes and whipped cream and stuff and be like, it's cheesecake time. And then everybody would have a bunch of cheesecake and then would go on and bang out the last

few hours. It was so fun, man. Yeah, that's great. And that's what Brandon said too. And I take a lot of, this warns my heart so much. He said I did on, I posted a thing the other day and he said on it like, I'm working 30 years or whatever and this is the most fun I ever had on a shoot and like in the cat and the crew members saying that to me too because everybody sacrificed and they didn't get paid what they

normally get paid all the things like that too but and people before this shoot they were saying dude you drive them like this like your crew's going to revolt you know and you're talking about being the leader of the pirate ship yeah and like you trust me they're not going to revolt like I just kind of have faith in these people and all that and we we did the short together before and it's going to now they're going to revolt and you can't push your crew this hard and by God, man, they showed up every day, super eager, super willing, and it was so much fun. And as a result of that, we finished on Thursday morning, I mean, on Friday morning at 5 a.m. And then Darren was having an after-part. No crew goes to after-party, rap parties, right?

Because they've done $50 million movies. They don't care, whatever. Right. And they're not going to show up in a couple hours to do a rap party. Everybody showed up. Oh, that's so cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, I got to tell you, though, I think, like, when you're shooting a horror movie versus other movies, like, I don't know, man. This is going to make me sound like a real dummy, but I would get creeped out that you're going to call in some dark fucking spirits or something.

You know, I've heard stories of, like, we've heard these stories. Twilight Zone, that little girl gets her decapitated by a helicopter. fucking poltergeist like a lot of people like like some kind of like other thing comes in the exorcist seven seven seven um and then what was the one with nicholas cage uh eight millimeter like that was another real dark dark movie and like guys that worked on that are like i'll never i got to move away from this i can't yeah because you're invoking something did you ever have that vibe of like shit man something else has come into the room no there's definitely an energy though we had we had actual real live crackheads and stuff walking around so we had actual things that

some of them i think let's deal with this i think one of them made the cut really that's amazing really we got a bogey walking down the street do i mean we got to shoot what do you have to taft harley then do they have to get in the sack now how does that work oh man listen i'm so excited for this movie and congratulations i have a feeling this isn't going to be your first directing job And I'm really looking forward to it. When does it come out? August 8th. August 8th.

In theaters, in wherever you rent movies, Apple, Amazon, all that. Hell, yes. It's cool. We'll be doing premieres in L.A. and then in New York and a few other cities coming up. And like what we're talking before, like, this is like, this is just like the fighting I don't think. This is like what we're doing right now. Like, this is what I've worked for all these years, all the years of suffering and all

the years of whatever to come to this moment and everything's contingent on this. Like this and this podcast is right here. this is the moment this is the process it's not like the movies release on the 8th and we're done it's great you know like no I'm this is it going on the podcast and going on the premieres and being in a theater watching people watch my movie man like there's no there's no fight that can compare with that people laughing and people reacting to to what you did yeah yeah and then I think too this thing that's cool this idea and you you as a father like this overstanding that like like when your kid goes into a grappling tournament like it doesn't

matter. This is a beta test for the next tournament. You're building your legs to be better later. But you can't think that on the day. It has to be the most important thing that you're doing on that day. And so there's this thing where it doesn't matter at all and it's infinitely important. All at once, you know?

And that's a cool spot to live in. Seek death! You guys are the best. Thank you so much for coming on the show. Love you too. Thank you. Thank you. Cheers. That was Tate, Fletcher, and Keith Jordan, do stream download buy kill me again let's keep good movies making money so they keep coming i want to thank all of our sponsors and i want to thank you for listening or watching i love you i'll see you next week