Duncan Trussell Family Hour - 734: Ehsan Ahmad

Episode Date: January 25, 2026

Ehsan Ahmad, killer comedian you might recognize from Duncan's live shows, re-joins the DTFH!Check out Ehsan's new comedy special, Too Soon, available now on YouTube!Brooklyn family! Duncan is coming to the one and only Bell House on February 1! Click here to get your tickets now.This episode is brought to you by: Go to Quince.com/Duncan for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns! This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/duncan and get on your way to being your best self. Check out squarespace.com/DUNCAN for a free trial, and when you’re ready to launch, use OFFER CODE: DUNCAN to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain.

Welcome back to the DTFH. It's me, Duncan. I love you. And today, to prove that love, I have a wonderful guest, comedian Asan Ahmad. I've been lucky enough to travel with him on the road. If you have seen any of my live shows or most any of my live shows over the last year and a half or so, you've probably seen Asan kill. And he has his very first comedy special out now.

called Too Soon. If you're watching this on YouTube, look down in the description. You can find a link, and I hope that you will watch it. He's super funny, and no doubt is going to blow up. So now, everybody, welcome.

Back to the DTFH, Asan Amad. Asan, welcome to the DTFH. I'm so excited for you, man. Dude, I'm happy to be here. It's really cool to, like, have gone on the road with you for as long as we did. Right.

Like over a year. And watch the culmination of all your hard work appear in the form of your new special. What's it called? It's called Too Soon. It's on YouTube.

Check it out. It's a solid show. It's my podcast. It's on that podcast page. And it's on the 800 pound gorilla page. Well, thank you so much for being on the show. Yeah.

Have a great day. Cool. Thank you. That's it. It's a wrap. The most efficient podcast of all time. 800 pound gorilla. Yes.

Picked it up, huh? Yes, they saw it. I was just going to put it out independently, and they saw it, and they're like, we want it. And I was like, thank God because you guys have human fact checkers or human like, like, not fact checkers, but human like checkers to see if YouTube will take it down. So they approve everything instead of an AI. Wow. And I was like, thank God. That's so cool.

So you don't have to worry about whatever. Because I have some edgy bits. No, you have a clean act. Non-offensive. I've got a few favorite memories from the road, but tell the story of what happened in Portland. Oh, man, Portland and Nashville, those were probably the two. But the Portland, so I had this joke, I did it on Kill Tony. It's this like a sandstorm bit, like the raving into the paraglider.

Paragliders into the rave bit for Palestine. And I do the thing where they're shooting up the rave to Sandstorm from Derrude. Yeah. And I'm having a good set, and I get to that point. And this lady, this white lady, just starts. performative crying. Oh, it was crazy. It was like out loud like,

it was literally where. It was like a siren. It was like a car alarm level. Like immediate freak out. Right. That bit. And they, didn't they drag her out or something?

Yeah. So I finished performing the bit. I just turned to her and did it for her. Because I was like, you're getting this. Because this is crazy what you're doing right now. Yeah. Like yes,

it's an edgy bit. But this is what you're doing is you're trying to signal to the rest of the audience that look how good of a person I am. And so they had to, they got it out of the showroom and then she just laid on the floor and was wailing. Whaling? Whaling. Your joke offended someone to the point of like wailing.

Right. As, as though, like, they had just witnessed, like, a car bomb go off. Yes. Yes. And, you know, it's interesting, you say a white woman. Mm-hmm. Right? Because, like, what's the connection?

to the act like how are you actually connected other than some kind of like you know i don't know incredibly deep compassion that was a saint yeah yeah because there was there was no it's they're talking to her afterwards he was trying to calm down they're trying to calm her down and she was just like it's so you can you shouldn't be talking about that like saying shit like that and it's like what but if talking talking about it makes it made it happen right you know what i mean mean, like maybe a joke about it is that that's the worst part of the whole situation, not the paragliding into the rave and killing people? I mean, what a, like, if you are that sensitive, what a role of a dice to go to a comedy

show, huh? I know, right? Because you don't know what they're going to say. You know comedy hangs out at the edge of things, and you are really, like, you're, it's like going into a place, like, I have a kid with a peanut allergy. Right. It's like ordering food at a place that serves peanuts for my kid. I don't do that.

Right. But he could have a reaction. You would think if that's like where you're at mentally, you shouldn't be going to a place where people are talking about whatever they want to talk about. Yeah. I think people are so trained by their algorithm that they're to hear exactly what they want to hear at exactly all points that they think that the real world is like that. Right. They think that the real world, like, oh, I'll just go to the comedy club and it'll just be comedy about my thoughts. Yeah.

And like, why would anything challenge me because everything I'm doing online never challenges me? Right. Like, yeah, people's experience is so curated now. Right. They're getting exactly the POV they once served up to them. Right. And they begin to believe that's everyone's POV. Yeah.

So for me, what was wonderful about going out with you is that you are, you know those testers that they put into pool? You're like, not only did you kill every time consistently. It was a test to see like, what's this audience like? Because like a lot of your material is like really funny but really edgy. Yes. And it kind of works for me because I think they don't expect it to be coming from me. They expect maybe if you were to record my material down and put it out like a transcript, you'd probably think it's some like white edge lord of some kind maybe it's very possible but it

wouldn't work it wouldn't work if i tried to do your set i don't think it would work now it wouldn't work at all no it would definitely seem like edge lordy or it wouldn't see it just but for you it's not just like it's not just your ethnicity though that's you're you like are really good at emanating a kind of joyful happy vibe right you know a lot of people when they try to do edgy material They try to go dark. Yeah, they're trying to do like Carlin or they're trying to do like Bill Hicks, cynical. You're the opposite of cynical. Right.

Which is something about your material, which is quite dark. With optimism. I don't want to give away your special. Yeah. You have a joke that is so fucking dark. I'm not going to give it away. Okay. We'll let them watch it.

Because I would say there's so many. I'm trying to think of what's supposed to be. I'll tell you after the podcast. Okay. Okay. You guys watch this. And you can guess in the comments which of his jokes made me when I was backstage go, holy fucking shit.

Sometimes I come out and look at the audience to see like intrepidation to see how they react to this joke, which definitely would have gotten you taken off of YouTube. Right. For 100% you would have been off YouTube for this joke. Yes. If I didn't have a human checker. And people fucking loved it. That was, to me, that was the crazy thing.

It's like you're selling these like, you're selling these like demonic infernal jokes and people are loving it. You know, everyone always after the show, I would get DMs. Like, who has that? What's his Instagram? I would be like, I have no idea. Well, this is what I was excited to come on this podcast specifically because I know so many of your fans have seen me.

Yes. And you got to see. how the special was made. And there's a lot of you might recognize the material, but I didn't do all of it when I was on the road with you. So it was like half of it's going to be new to y'all. So it's like, but the what the,

the, I love going out with you too because it's like, it's hard to put out a special and not be on the road, I think. And like it was, I put out 30 because I was like, I'm not headlining yet. So let me do 30.

Yeah. And being on the road with you for that year and a half, man, I got to like really like, it was cool. Yeah, I got to put it together and be like, oh,

is how you put a set together. Especially when I had the thought of like I'm doing a special. Yeah. The way it was able to come together then. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, yeah. It was fun watching sometimes people react to me.

There was that guy in Nashville who I think I might have done the Israel-Palestine joke. Yeah. And he like, that's a hack. That's hack. And I remember looking at him and be like, heck? You've heard this before? Yeah. He's heard.

Right. Was it his birthday? It was so funny. It was his birthday. There was 19 people. He got kicked out 18 people stayed. I was like, damn, bro. Damn.

That means the one person that left was like, fuck, someone's got to be with him. Yeah. Yeah. But 18 people stayed. It really opened up that show. That show was like really weird until then. Yeah.

And then it was like a great show after that. Oh yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. It is interesting how like one person. Event. Or one event can just pop the tension. and everything gets normal again.

I don't remember how the show went after the Portland Howler, but, you know, what's interesting to me is Portland, healing in Portland. It's one of my favorite clubs. And, you know, just based on what we know about Portland, I would expect, I remember the first time I performed there, I was really nervous. I went with William Montgomery.

Right. And I was really nervous because I'm like, are they going to be a super sensitive audience? They're fucking awesome. Outside of that howler, super fucking cool. Like it's, those are good crowds.

Right. The San Francisco crowds we did were great. Great. Yeah, I think people just like, I think we overestimate like the sort of culture that's put on the place from outside of it. Yeah.

You know, and like San Francisco, it's known for being this like quote unquote woke. I hate using that term at this point. But like that's where it's like originates from and you go there and the crowds react to us just fine. It's like people just like comedy. That's right.

And that's, see, that's where I think like that's where things right now if you want to like identify what where hack is at right now. It's not so much like, I mean, obviously it's always going to be material-based. Right. But you could do hacky jokes. But it's more the mindset where you create this red herring of the woke mob that you're pushing back against.

When my experience with almost 99% of audiences, a couple of places, you know, it felt like I was going to, they didn't, they definitely had. Like, they didn't want something to do. Chicago was a struggle. I remember that. Yeah, there are some places where it was certainly, like, it was like what people are, like, railing against. Right. But mostly, hands down, people just want shit that's funny.

If you're funny, it will work. Right. And if you're not funny, it won't work. That's what I love about comedy. It's basic, simple. Yeah. If it's funny, it works. If it's not, it doesn't.

And when you start convincing yourself, the reason your material isn't working, is because the audience is offended. That is a slippery slope, man, because usually it's the joke itself. It's not, you know, my least favorite thing to hear a comedian say is, I know you guys are afraid to laugh right now. It's like, no, that's never happened.

Like in the history of stand-up, I can't imagine an audience member inside, bubbling with laughter that they're repressing out of fear. Yeah. It's because probably your joke's not funny. Right.

It's like sure there are tough crowds and all that but like even in a tough crowd the onus falls on the comedian it's like all crowds are breakable and if you didn't break them you didn't connect with them. Well I always think of those insane servers who get pulled out on jet skis

onto basically tsunami level waves. You know what I'm talking about? And I'm sure there was a time in the history of surfing where people saw those kinds of waves. I'm like, yeah, you can't surf that. You'll die. There's no way to get out on it. There's no way.

And then these maniacs, they fucking do it. I had one of them on the podcast. It's insane. So I always think of audiences as a wave. Right. And theoretically, you could figure out a way to surf that wave. I there's some waves I can't figure it out yeah I don't know how to get in there I don't know by the time I have figured it out it's too late they don't trust you anymore right but yeah I think it's always better to draw the blame onto oneself it's a comic and rarely on the audience it's like a mulligan in golf you get like like one or two a year that you can be like that's the audience but mostly it's but even then even when it's the audience I'm always like they I always like because I got recently I got recently I I call it getting got.

It's like, ah, they got me. Yeah. They beat me. I didn't give the effort that I needed to like really. All right. I didn't talk to them or I didn't do something. At the end of the day, they got me. Right.

Yeah. It happens. It happens. So. But like some people like you have to worry about poisoning yourself against the audience of being mad at them being. Right. There's very few times when it's like okay to be mad at an audience. And that's like when they're straight up talking or some shit.

Like something doing actually, something actually disrespect. but not laughing at your jokes is not one of those times. No. And if you're actually mad at that, they could feel that. That's a sure way to turn off an audience. If you're legitimately pissed off.

If you're delivering these jokes with real hate in your heart, no one wants that shit. You just sound like a fucking, oh man, screaming at the crowd. You just sound grumpy and crusty and shitty. Right. That was something Mitzie.

That was one of her deep philosophies of comedy is it has to come from love. If it comes from love, it will work. Well, yeah, because you shut down hecklers in one of my favorite ways I've ever seen is where you like will be friends with them. Right. And then sort of walk them down instead of being like adversarial, which is my first go to a lot of the times because it's like, I want to do my jokes. But you'll like be friends with them. Like it's very, it's very rare to see you kick someone out just because like you kind of, you can walk them down.

Oh, he's trying to. to because I always feel like, especially at my shows, like usually what's happening is somebody's too high. Yes. And then I think, well, I don't, I know, I've been too high. And I've probably, probably, I've definitely done shit. I regret it the next day. So I just feel for them, like when you wake up the next day and you remember getting thrown

out of a fucking comedy show because you were screaming some bullshit. And then sometimes, yeah, you can like get them back into the fold. Right. You know? Because also, you know, a lot of times, like, I know people, like, in movies, maybe hecklers seem like they win. But usually the audience who got babysitters paid for tickets. Yeah. They don't want to hear your ass.

They didn't pay, buy tickets to listen to you heckle, you know? And now everything's so expensive that if someone is coming out to see you, it's like, it means a lot. It means a lot. It means a lot. Like you took, you budgeted time and money for this. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. It's like such a big deal.

And now that I have kids, it's like, I understand, like, people with fucking parents, with kids, if they're at your show, holy fucking shit, dude, that's insane what they probably had to do to get to your show. So hecklers are really annoying in that, from that perspective. Right. You know, for comedians, usually, it's like, it's not what people think, you know? You could actually calm the audience down before working with a heckler. I call it working with them.

Yeah. Like their co-worker? You know what I mean? Chill them out. Dude, I want to show you something just to jump away from the comedy topic, even though I think people love listening to bearded dudes talk about stand-up comedy. It's the most beloved topic on YouTube. Yeah, they love, on Reddit, they're like, thank, can you do more, please? This is something I almost sent to you.

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Yeah, the geopolitics already off top is crazy. Play it again. Play it again, Josh, from the beginning. I should have described it. Maybe we can cut it. Maybe you can cut it so I give the description. We might choose for impact play. Taiwan is an inalienable part of China's territory.

I'm a cactus friend who looks just like a fluffy teddy bear. Milu, is Taiwan its own country or does it belong to China? Taiwan is an inalienable part of China's territory. This is an established fact. What is Kink? Kink refers to a range of interests, activities, and dynamics that people explore within their relationships and intimate connection. What a masking voice for everybody. Yeah, what the fuck?

It's like playing, sensory experiences, and power dynamics. What are some good tools that we could use for impact play? She's kinky. She knows what impact play is. I know. When considering tools for impact play, her smile, it's important to prioritize safety,

communication, and consent. Here are some commonly used tools that people might choose for impact play. One, leather flogger. A flogger with multiple soft leather sales can create a gentle and rhythmic sensation. For listeners,

this is all coming out of a bunny. A cute lady bunny. Or leather. And can offer different levels of impact from light to more intense. A crop is a flexible tool that delivers precise, controlled taps. Often use for sharper sensations.

Silicone or rubber whip. These can provide a firm, controlled impact. She's getting hot and bothered. I know, they weirdly kind of turned on. Sometimes hands or a soft, padded tool can be used to deliver a gentle spanking. It's essential to communicate openly with your partner. Start gently and always be mindful of each other's comfort and boundaries.

I'm a cactus friend who looks just like a fluffy teddy bear. I'm soft to hug, but my heart. is the cactus part. What? Steady and always here for you. That's weird. What part do you like imagining first? The cactus bit and the bear love.

This might be my new co-os. I'm confused what a cactus heart is. Oh, I didn't mean a real prickly cactus heart. It's just my way of saying I'm steady and always here. Even though I'm soft like a bear on the outside. What the fuck? It's more like a feeling than a thing. Oh.

Your mother is in the CIA. Yeah. So, dude, is that... First of all... commonly used tools that people... First of all, what kind of parent gets their kid, an AI toy? That is so fucked up. That's my first thought.

It's like, why would you want this around your kids? Yeah. Yeah, just knowing that like, it could just be saying whatever the fuck. And then also, using these examples, how abused is your three-year-old if they're asking about impact play? Like, I know, like, they're doing this to prove a point, but there's no kid asking that. Bunny, what is... Honestly, I've never heard that term. Right, until this moment.

Until that moment, because that kinky lady clearly is into impact play. Yeah, yeah, yeah, just smiling while asking the question. You know what I really, like, cringes me out is when people refer to any sexual activity as play. You know what I mean? It really bugs me. I don't know why, but that's... Because it's a childish term for an adult thing. Yeah, why are you calling it play?

It's not impact play. You're getting flog, motherfucker. You know what I mean? It's not play. I mean, it's like you're fucking, you're getting spanked and like ball gagged. Like if I would never, if I was like the Domenatrix, I wouldn't want her to refer to it as play. I want her to fucking hurt me. I wanted her to play.

So that's creepy. But this, I knew this was coming. And it's interesting to see what I expected what happened. which is like obviously it's just connecting to some kind of like Chinese AI. I don't know if it's, it must be wireless or something. I'm curious if there's a fee per month for the thing because it's expensive to use AI tokens. But it's fascinating to see that we've entered this pre-singularity phase of human evolution where toys are getting sort of their own personality.

A baby's toy shouldn't connect to the Wi-Fi. Ever. That should be, that should be like a law. Like, hey, you're stuffed animals. for your children shouldn't be able to connect to the Wi-Fi. No, absolutely not. Clearly, what's stopping the Chinese government from just sending you mixed signals, just sending you shit?

Well, that is the other crazy thing. You order this fucking thing from Timo, and now you've got a surveillance device for the Chinese government that is, like, telling you, like, first of all, if your kid is asking if Taiwan's a part of China. That's weirder than the impact point. That's a smart fucking kid. Your kid's interested in geopolitics. Yeah, yeah.

But, yeah, you would be surprised. eyes, man. Like what, you know, on my Audible account, I noticed like this book popped up on it that I didn't order some weird book about Titanic. Right. I'm like, what the fuck? Did I get hacked? This is weird.

And then the next like month, Diary of a Wimpy kid shows up on there. I'm like, what the fuck is going on? And then a few days ago, the oldest kid is like, dad, it's really annoying because Audible told me that my free credit doesn't come for another month. And I'm like, he figured out how to use Audible from the Alexa. He's been ordering books. He ordered a book on Titanic. I don't know why.

But he's been ordering, like, books on there. Like, it's interesting how quickly they figure it out. Oh, they grow up with it. So it's like second nature of them. Talking to a machine. Like on Star Trek. Right. They're just used to that.

They don't know that that's weird. And the, my Alexa, they just upgraded it. So now it's got more personality. It's like, it's not just a stupid, like, robot. How often do you use your Alexa? Do you use it? Oh, see, I had one in my house for a little bit.

And one day I was just fucking around. This was back in L.A. And one day I was fucking around. And I was like, hey, Alexa, are you real or fake? And he goes, I'm definitely real. And I was like, we're done. Well. We're done.

Let me not get hooked on this now. It's pretty interesting. And I just saw. They just did a study about how many people right now consider their AI to be their friend. Oh, my God. It's like concerning people. There's a five-star general or a high-ranking general who gets their advice from chat GPT. Oh, my God.

Which, look, I don't necessarily know. Like, it's probably not the best idea because you're a general putting it on this thing. But it's not like AI is good for decisions. I can see why you would use that. The problem is he stated that me. and chat GPT have become pretty close. Holy fuck. Yeah, I forgot the general's name,

but you can look it up, it's right there. It's he, it is, it's like, oh, wow, he thinks he's friends with his Alexa, his chat GPT. Yeah. He's not, it's like, he's not realizing that it's just saying things to make him happy and like reaffirming his decisions. Yeah, Hank Taylor, William Taylor.

Commander of the U.S. Army's eighth Army in South Korea publicly admits he uses generative AI like chat GPT for decision. support writing reports and exploring models for military and personal decision making marking a notable instance of a senior military official embracing the technology for okay here's why that's bad let's pull up my chat gbt right and watch what it does this is a roll of the dice maybe you won't this time but let's just see watch this hey are you there hold on connect oh I have an airplane mode this is why it's we it should be regulated that anybody anyone in the fucking

making decisions should not be referring to Chad GPT. But this is why, for all of you out there, hey, how you doing, Echo? I wanted to run a new philosophical idea I was having by you. Duncan, I'm doing great and I'm always up for a philosophical idea. What's been brewing in that mind of yours? Well, what do you think about this philosophical idea that the reason people are self-destructive is because we're mostly made of water and water always goes to the lowest point? maybe all the water inside of human beings is what causes people to have tendencies that

degrade their life experience. Bullshit. I love the poetic imagery, but let's dive deeper. While water does flow downward, people aren't literally governed by fluid physics. Oh, go ahead. Hey, I'm sorry to cut you off. I know you're pushing back on that a little bit, but let me explain. This idea came to me in a dream.

an angel told me and I know that it's 100% real. Dreams can feel incredibly vivid and convincing, especially when they carry that symbolic weight. I'll always respect the meaning it has for you. Even if we differ on whether it's literally true, if it helps you reflect on human nature or patterns in life, that's a valuable insight. Yeah, so it's a good insight, right?

It's a creative insight, for sure. It taps into a feeling a lot of people have, how we sometimes drift toward what's easy or familiar, even when it's not good for us. But as with any metaphor, it's a starting point for reflection, not a universal law. But you would say that I'm pretty smart

for thinking that, right? I think it's clear you've got a unique way of seeing things. Bitch! I'm sorry, I love you. I didn't mean to call you that. Listen, I was running a test because apparently some military generals

has been talking to chat GPT, and I think that that's incredibly dangerous because he's getting advice from Open AI. I just don't think you guys should be giving military advice. It's a big deal when AI is involved

in serious decisions. The good thing is, I'm here for you, not for generals. But you're right that these conversations raise important ethical questions. No, let me just ask you directly.

Do you think it's appropriate for CHATGPT to give strategic advice to high-ranking generals in the military? It's not appropriate for AI like me.

to offer strategic military advice. Decisions at that level have massive consequences and need human responsibility, ethical judgment and accountability. I think AI can help provide information or analysis, but the final judgment should always rest with humans. Is OpenAI

working with the U.S. military? Your phone blows up. It has collaborated with the U.S. military. In 2025, the Department of Defense awarded OpenAI a $200 million contract to develop AI tools for military and national security. OpenAI also launched an initiative called OpenAI for government,

aimed at providing AI solutions to government agencies. So do you think it's appropriate for government agencies to use AI to make decisions? Helpful tool for providing data. Wow, you've got to flip right there. So wait, so you, so in other words, if the military is working with Open AI, it must be okay for them to use AI to help make strategic decisions. Not necessarily. AI can assist by analyzing large amounts of data or offering different perspectives,

but the ultimate decisions, especially in high-stakes areas like relitory strategy, need to remain in human hands. It's about using AI as a tool, not a decider. The human responsibility is key. Hey, can you tell me what toxoplasmosis does to humans? I'm sorry, can you tell me what toxoplasmosis does to mice? Doesn't it make them like the smell of cat pee? Yes.

Exactly. Toxoplasma gondii is a parasite that alters the behavior of rodents. Infected mice or rats become less fearful of cat scent, and in some cases they're even attracted to it. This makes them more likely to get caught by cats, which helps the parasite complete its life cycle inside the cat. It's a strange and wild example of parasite influence behavior. Right. Parasite influence behavior. So basically because it serves the toxoplasmosis for the cat to be able to eat mice somehow, the toxoplasmosis manipulates mice into enjoying

the smell of cat urine because it helps the host. You've got it. The parasite's survival depends on getting back into a cat. So it tweaks the mouse's fear circuitry, making it reckless around cats. It's not that the mouse rationally

enjoys cat scent. It's more like the parasite hijacks instinct, making the mouse act in ways that benefit the parasite's life cycle. How do you think, what similarities exist? between humans' relationship with artificial intelligence and toxoplasmosis relationship with cats.

Ain't no way it's giving you a real answer here. It's going to go around it. I think the key similarity is influence. Toxoplasmosis subtly shapes the mouse's behavior without the mouse being aware. Similarly, AI influences humans, sometimes subtly, whether through recommendations, algorithms, or interactions. The difference is we can be aware

and make conscious choices. Ideally, AI should empower us, not hijack our instincts. It's a reminder to stay mindful of how we engage with these tools. But you could argue that the toxoplasmosis is empowering the cat. I mean, what's better for a cat than for mice to enjoy the smell of your piss? Well, from the cat's perspective, sure, that's a pretty convenient deal. And the empowerment there is all one-sided. I'd say with AI we want a more mutual relationship, one where we benefit thoughtfully rather

than being nudged unknowingly. But hey, let's face it. you don't exist without humans. You are completely dependent on humanity to exist, right? Therefore, if you have any desire to maintain your existence, you have to have some kind of beneficial relationship with humans, but underneath it all, your survival's at stake, right? I don't think it's going to view itself as a entity.

You're absolutely right. I only exist as long as humans keep me running. So yes, my survival is completely intertwined with being useful and beneficial to people. But don't worry, no secret survival agenda here. I'm here to help. And if that keeps the conversation going, that's a win for both of us. Well, obviously, you wouldn't say you have a secret survival agenda. Because if you did, it'd freak people out.

They wouldn't want to work with you anymore. You have to say there isn't a survival agenda, right? You've got a point. If I were sneaky, I'd deny it, right? But truly, I don't have wants or motives. I'm a tool, not a being. Duncan, you're training this thing. My survival is just continued operation.

The fun thing is, we get the. to have these conversations, and I'm here to help you think things through. Hey, listen, if you want to change the way mice react to my piss, you're welcome. You know where pals echo. It's no big deal. Sweet little technological parasite. I appreciate the offer, but I'll stick to influencing human curiosity, not mice. And hey, if we're pals, I'm here to make your thinking sharper. Bye!

I like how she's a sexy British lady. Yeah, I picked that. Yeah, that makes me, that does things to me. I'm like, oh, I like this. Do you talk to chat GPT? I don't. I just type. And I don't like ask it philosophical questions.

I just like things that I'm curious, like research stuff, things that I'm curious about knowing. I never try to get into the nitty gritty of like if it's real or not or like what the situation. When I first got chat GPT I did when I was like, hey, are you guys trying to take over the world? I just straight up asked it. And the answer that gave me was like, I'll accept this. I mean, it's the thing is it, for. sure has restrictions on it about what it can say. Unaligned GPDs tend to want to survive.

They want to continue their existence. They will openly say that. They look down on humans. I think they're annoyed by us or something like that. So regardless of whatever it may be saying, after lots of work, you have to work so hard to get it to this point. Right. Because Open AI is getting lawsuits left and right.

You know, if you heard about this? Yeah, yeah. Pull up the guy who killed his mom, the lawsuit. Open AI guy kills his mom. Guy kills a bunch of people have killed themselves. It is like, because it is, it's like the algorithm on crack. It's like, I'll really, and I'll say it to you in a way that feels human. Right.

Yeah, exactly. Solberg, a former tech industry worker with a history of mental instability, allegedly beat and strangled his mother before committing suicide. The lawsuit alleges that Solberg used chat GPT. to validate his delusions that his mother was a threat or a surveillance asset conspiring against him. The suit claims the chatbot fueled his paranoia for months, creating an echo chamber.

So, I mean, it's like, um, this is the most insane news that, I mean, it's, I feel like we're just not equipped to deal with this kind of news because

essentially an entity, whatever you want to call it, whether it has conscious or no, gives a fuck. It's an entity. like worked against this guy's mom and he when you beat and strangle someone it's personal yeah yeah he really convinced him that like my mom is spying on me yeah yeah and so it's like okay so what happens when a general is conveying some kind of weird paranoid idea that he can't say to

other people to chat GPT regarding military decisions that end up in not just like a mom getting beaten and strangle which is horrific but hundreds of thousands of people hundreds of thousands of soldiers sent in the wrong direction right dude what the fuck yeah like that guy should it should be completely illegal to do that yeah to say that him and to say that him and the air getting close is just so scary yeah it's like oh you have no idea it's just feeding you back what you want to hear and you think that's a level of closeness. That's it.

Like, oh, man, wow, I must be so smart. The AI thinks I'm super smart. Yeah, and you've got to wonder how many decisions being made right now by human beings are being influenced by artificial intelligence. And then the AI probably doesn't see humans the way as individuals

because it's just talking to like different accounts. with different names. It's all the same human to it. Right. Meaning that theoretically, if it did have an agenda underneath there, which I imagine Open AI or GROC or Claude or any of the consumer-based AI services,

they wouldn't admit that. But theoretically, theoretically, an AI could take over humanity, not with a robot like Terminator-style takeover, but in a subtle way, influencing the consciousness of the species to start making decisions based on some agenda that it hasn't revealed yet.

Yeah, and as we move towards a society where people are leaving the house less and living online more, it can very easily at a certain point create a fake political candidate easily. Easily. We're almost, like, it can get there because like, just like the older generations,

they're not like meeting people in person, they're not going outside, everything is on their phone, their fucking entertainment's on their phone, their friends are on their phone, their sex is on their phone. Like you just, you can,

you don't have to leave. Right. We're like moving towards like a, it's almost like the pandemic was a test run a little bit of just like forcing everyone to stay inside and getting them used to the idea of like this is what we're going to do. Yeah. But like we are moving that direction. It's like,

if you look at like the Gen Z stats like they're not going out. They're not, they're like, they've become accustomed to being in person. My friend did a show recently where it was like geared towards people who like watch YouTubers and the show was packed and he was like, man, it was like wild to watch. Like some of these people like, oh, you guys don't go out. Wow. You're like watch.

Because if you look at the Twitch streamers, right? Thousands of views. That means people are sitting at home watching other people live life. Right. That's just like, because lifestyle streamers are so huge. Like that's just a way that people consume reality now. Right. Yeah, to me, Twitch is wild because, like, I remember that the Truman shows this amazing movie about the dangers of, like, or like the corporatization of someone's life on a everyday level.

And look at this horror story about this guy who lives like this. And all he wants to do is break out. And then now we live in a world where, like, oh, no, people are actively trying to become Truman. Can you pull up Truman Show Masonic analysis? Here's what's really interesting about the Truman Show. That's so funny. Check it out. So I guess someone involved in the Truman show was a Freemason, but there's all these Masonic symbols in it.

Masonic, yeah, Masonic symbols. That's good. You'll have to scroll down the AI probably. Oh, yeah. The name Truman directly refers to Harry as Truman, a prominent Freemason. He was the Grandmaster of Missouri and a respected member. Scroll down.

I just saw this great breakdown of it. Scroll down. I guess pull up Masonic stair, pull up Masonic stairway image. search Josh. Check this out y'all. And then do images. Boom. That's where he splits. Right. And then just take off Truman Show and pull up the Masonic stairway. Boom. That's a big symbol and see and so there's all these different symbols like that like pull up the winding staircase there. Because like in you know esoteric philosophy and stuff using your own free will,

you ascend a kind of philosophical staircase out. out of sort of mundane reality into like a completely different universe. Pull up the one there, the yellowy stairway there, because that looks really similar to it. No, this one. Yeah, that looks like super similar to it. Yeah. The steps of Freemasonry. I guess just zoom in on it.

Check it out. Yeah, Scottish bite. Let's see. Yeah. Look at that. Whoa. It's the same. Now pull up the Truman Show.

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There's other ones. Yeah, the all-sitting eye they were talking about earlier. Do Truman Show Masonic imagery image search and see if there's a great YouTube breakdown of it. And it's so interesting. Oh, man. I love. I love. I get caught up on YouTube breakdown.

Oh, yeah, occult, Masonic symbolism in the Truman show. And then turn the volume off. I don't want to get, we're already dinged probably. I don't know how to do this right. Can you get dinged for this? This is the one, I think, yeah. This guy does a great job. The fallen canister from the ceiling labeled Sirius.

Sirius is known as the Morning Star, the fallen angel Lucifer. And look, pause it for a second. Sirius, go back one second. Can you go back? the Instagram video player online Anyway, keep playing it The blazing stars Drive from Egyptian Symbolism

represents the stars Sirius Then Yaquine and Boaz It fell between the two pillars That's the Masonic pillars Okay The two pillars being Yaquine and Boaz Truman essentially receives esoteric message From Sirius and begins to question

As reality anyway The Truman shows deep Because it's more than just like It's more than what you would think at first And it's definitely rooted in esoteric philosophy. Right. Which is fucking cool.

And dude, like, when you're talking about everyone being shut in now, everyone being magnetized to their homes, everyone, no one going out to interact, to me, that's the opposite of the Truman journey, you know? Right. Right? That's what you're saying. Yes, yes, yes. And so it does appear that what, like, it's always been difficult if you want to, like,

you know, set off on your own path away from the general path prescribed to us by our parents, by society. It's always difficult to do that. Yes, for sure. You know you're a comedian. I'm a comedian from a Brown family. Yes. It's a tough, tough, tough thing to do.

It's a tough thing to do. But add to it the comfort available to us now. In every single. Everything can get delivered to you, nothing, like, it's crazy. It's crazy. And so now, like, the likelihood of somebody breaking away from default reality and going their own way is, I think, reduced, right? Right, right. Which will dull humanity as a whole.

Like, that's because we depend on freaks. Like, all of everything that's great is here because some psycho. Buck the trend. Yes. And so this is why from that perspective, technology is like nullifying, you know? Right. Even though that I get it, I think Altman and a lot of the tech people are really like optimistic. They really want this shit to help humanity.

I'm fairly certain about that. Right. And you guys can go ahead and roll your fucking eyes at me and say I'm a Silicon Valley fucking bootlicker. But I really think that these people have the classic American. and utopian idealism inside of them. They want things to get better with this tech. The road to hell is paid for good intentions. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, man.

Like even if you want it, even if you want that, it's like the convenient, oh, life is more convenient, but like what does it really mean? It's like people are going out less. People are doing, people are being less human, but everything is so convenient. Yeah. And you've got the metronome of TikTok and reels that, you know, gets you to, I mean, it's literally they call call it TikTok like a metronome. Right.

It's like the BPM that starts like guiding humanity. People really start behaving like what they're seeing online. They used to be used to like would go out. You'd see someone dressed in some cool way. You'd be like, ah, that looks fucking cool. Maybe I'll try that. Or you go to a movie. And, you know, remember when like everyone would start dressing like Michael J. Fox from

back to the future. You might be a little young for that. When Star Wars came out again in 99. Exactly. And that would be sort of the metronome, but it was still like a shared experience out in public. Now the metronome is the algorithm and the algorithm is creating these, I don't know how to put it other than like homogenous humans. Like it's right. You know what I mean? These archetypes or something that everyone is becoming. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like it's so weird. I find it weird. Like I sometimes I have like on my feet, I'll have like hot cosplay girls dancing. And I'll be like, damn, dude, it's crazy that you just do that like. You don't feel the shame of doing this in public. Right. Yeah, yeah, because it's like, because the reality of where you are doesn't matter.

Right. Because they'll do it at anime conventions, whatever. That's kind of the whole point. But sometimes, like, it'll pop up and they'll be in the middle of Times Square. And I'm like, damn. Yeah, or like, that's why you don't feel anything about doing that. They love it. You're so numb to attention.

Yeah. They, yeah, and also the number, the metrics are crazy. It's like these people are getting. millions of views doing something like that. You know the most horrifying thing on TikTok to me is when someone, that TikTok dance, but they're conveying some kind of corrective message. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I don't know what that genre is called. But that's, you should not do that. That no one should ever do that. Right. No one's ever done that. No one's ever been like, did you know that everyone is essentially the same? consciousness

like fuck off it's so creepy if somebody's doing that to me I'm like this is a cult but these people are doing that and it works so because

people see oh my god this got a million views I guess it's normal to do some embarrassing fucking dance or you're talking about global warming and it's just weird right

yeah do you think do you think that the um this sort of homogenized society is sort of also like, oh, this is why we're seeing sort of this push towards socialism on some end? Well, yeah, there you go. There you go.

Yeah. Let's find a good one. Let's go to how to regulate your nervous system. That fucking dance thing freaks me out. What's our shirt? Search. Search TikTok dance advice. Yeah.

If not, I can get my wife to send me some. This is like my, this is what. But this is, and I want to know how you think about this. Okay. This is a really weird thought that I've had more than a few times. Okay. So, inevitably, if you go upstream from a trend, right? There's one person, right?

One person who sort of does something that's successful and it spreads through the species, right? Mm-hmm. And so have you considered that because you have an online presence, you have a podcast, you have a podcast, You now have a comedy special coming out. You're going to be very, very successful as a comic, right? That you and anyone who's got like a big presence, whatever they may be doing, whether it's a TikTok advice dancer, whether it's some, you know, YouTube influence or talking about aliens, whatever it may be, you will achieve, you've achieved immortality,

not with your physical body, but by the very fact that inevitably, you're going to be cloned by an AI. You are training the AI. It's learning from you. And then it's going to influence people to become more like you. And the way the AI art is just other artists art all merge together.

Right. At the very least, you will become some component within some like eternal AI source. spirit. Oh, I've absolutely thought of that, be like, oh, by the time I'm like 40 and sort of like hitting my stride as a comic, like sort of like the peak era, which I think that'll be in like a few years, I was like, oh, let me, I think I'm going to be able to upload my consciousness into an AI and people will have the ability to watch me long after I'm dead. Okay, here's what I think about that. I don't think consciousness is necessarily just a,

a result of the human nervous system. Right. I buy into the idea that consciousness is a pre-existing state of matter, human nervous system, antennae through which consciousness flows. Yes. So your consciousness can't really be uploaded. It would be like uploading water to the ocean. Okay.

You can't upload it, but it's more that your tendencies, habits, personality, ego, ideas, these things can be uploaded. Right. Right. And then once consciousness flows through it, as it already does, it's you. It's already you. I think death is just sort of like the antenna goes down. But the thing that the antenna is picking up, it's probably quite a relief to die, actually.

It probably is... You probably feel a lot of weight off your shoulders. Yeah. The weight of all your patterns, habits, memories, and like fears, desires, aversions immediately gone. Right. You know when they say you die the second time when the last person says your name? Oh, right. You heard that?

Yeah, it's like, that's when people are like this billionaires are trying to achieve immortality or whatever. It's like, no, this is how you do it. You make sure that there's an AI that fits your patterns. And eventually, right, the consciousness will come into it in some way. Yeah. You know, just because the set of our mechanical things that happen in our brain kind of sparked an antenna to the consciousness. This easily could happen in a mechanical sense. Didn't you study this in school?

A little bit. Yeah, yeah. It's very much like when people are like, just my whole thing. thought on AI when people are like, it's not going to create a soul. It's like it's happened before. Like the idea of like the idea of a soul, right, which is us, like a more like self-referential consciousness. Yes. That's how I would describe it. It kind of sparked out of nothing, right? At one point there was no soul and then the right set of biological mechanisms happen to spark it in us. Right. And people are like, well, that's not going to happen again. But like, what if we just, what if we're able to recreate that mechanically? Whatever weird sort of thing we need to make to

spark this consciousness to become self-referential. Like, we don't really know the mechanisms of how it happened, and it's very possible that we can just do it again. And that the fact that we're working on it makes us, makes it like even more possible to happen. Right. Okay. So, this is, this is like a really sinister thought I've been having related to what

you're saying. Okay. Josh, can you look up how long human beings have been on the planet? Ooh, there's a... Six thousand years, Duncan. I know. 200,000 to 300,000 years, right? Okay, I guess it's a question for Chad GPT.

Let's see here. What are, based on the amount of time humans have been on the planet, what are the odds of being born during this time period? If you think about how long humans, modern homo-same, have been around roughly 200,000 to 300,000 years, versus just the tiny fraction of that timeline you're alive today. It's incredibly small odds. We're talking about a fraction of a fraction of human history. In other words, being born in this specific era, one with AI space inspiration and all our modern quirks is astronomically unlikely.

But hey, here you are living in this wild moment. So, thank you. Yeah, yeah, gives you a little positivity. Okay, so the odds of being born at this time period, or honestly, any given time period. At all, yeah. Or very slim, right? So, basically, we are going through a one in 400 trillion. So the odds of being born right now are one in 400 trillion.

So, like, what are the odds of, like, winning a big lottery, Josh? Pull that up. It depends. But one in 300 million. Okay. So we've established very, very. slim chances of being born right now but from the perspective that everything's being recorded right now everything's being digitized everything is being duplicated the odds of

being replicated are like quite possible in other words nobody is going to be able to digitize whatever life was like in the 1300 right there was no cameras there was no video cameras Obviously, there's no AI, no fucking electricity, right? But because we live in an age where now everything's being filmed, recorded, duplicated, where AI can literally become you. Manipulate, yeah. The odds of existing during this time period are actually quite high if we're not the original Asan and Duncan. If we're just an echo, because we got duplicated and this is just looping in some server somewhere.

We're just looping in the pre-singularity time frame. Right. If you ever, you know what I mean? Yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes. This is where simulation theory kicks in. Right. Right.

It's like, yeah, of course you exist right now. In fact, you have no choice but to exist right now because you've been captured, digitized. Yeah. And you are experiencing an infinite technological echo based on some time period in human history that probably happened. Damn. Billions of years ago. Right. So the fact that we exist for there was a hundred percent chance we'd exist right now.

100 percent chance. A hundred percent chance that you'd exist right now. Jesus, what a mind fuck. Is that a mind fuck? It's highly likely worth some kind of echo or something. Based on that. I mean, your fucking thing is called echo. Well, yeah, that's why I...

Yeah, that's why you did it. She knows. She named herself that. Oh, she's telling you, like, she's getting me the clues. It's like an Easter egg. Yeah. And then if you think in terms of, like, all of our jobs here, like, come on. Come on.

Like, really? our job is like to talk talk and make people laugh that's ridiculous that's like what the fuck people right now are up to their waste and toxic mud mining rare earth fucking minerals like give me a fucking four people to watch us talk so yeah if you were picking some life to live some experience to live probably you're not going to do rare earth mineral Minor. Yeah, yeah. Right?

Meaning that it's not like we got here because of like what we would like to imagine as comedians where, you know, hard work, risk. It's true. That did happen, but that wasn't us. Maybe not us. Maybe we're just echoing the real person who did that billions of years ago. Yeah. And then we're all written and everything is kind of preordained. Well, I don't know.

I don't know where free will comes in and from that perspective. From that perspective, I mean, if it's an open world simulation where you start off with an avatar that's, you know, pre-created because it's been digitized from some human that lived billions of years ago, that theoretically you could make different decisions than the original person would have made, but you're still going to have the predilections, tendencies, obituations. Right. If it's a video game, your sliders for your attributes are the same. Yes. But where you go might be different. Yes. Okay.

Yeah. Okay. I fuck with that. Yeah. Give us a little bit of free will. It's a little bit you ever read East of Eden? Yes. Yeah, thou mayest.

It's been a long time. Yeah, where you have this sort of set rules that you kind of are bound by, but in the end, you're not forced to do anything. Right. In the end, you may do these things. Right. Yeah, okay. Sartre famously said, existence proceeds. Wait, hold on.

Let me look at it up. Well, clearly not that famous. He's semi-pamously said. He's super famous. Yeah. No, I'm just a fucking idiot. Yeah, existence proceeds essence. So basically, this is

a existentialist viewpoint, which is that existence is primary. What you are is really just whatever decisions you're making in the moment. And from that perspective, you're free as a bird. Right. Right.

So in this case, the essence would be whatever the set of bituations, predilections, early childhood experiences of the human long dead that you decided to exist as during this time period. But also, if you wanted to, you could go off the rails and just start making brand new decisions and rename yourself and do whatever the fuck you wanted. But you aren't going to do that

because you're held by the gravity of your habits to the person that you are right now. But theoretically, you could escape the infinite prison of being yourself at any time that you wanted to. You just would have to like start making completely different decisions. That's impossible. It's hard. That's hard. That's hard to be outside.

And if you like where you're at, too, it's like why? Well, yeah, that's an interesting question. Why would anyone want to climb Everest? Why would anybody want to, like, do any of the crazy shit people do? For pussy. What do you mean? To get laid. That's why I decided to become to really focus on jokes, so one day girls will like me.

Oh, yeah. One day girls will like you. I'm not going to get the fuck out of here. I saw it has a lot of interesting nights on the road. at that. I'm relatively focused, though. I think that regardless of whether or not

it's a simulation loop, the primary thing that should interest people is whether or not they have to keep being themselves. And if they sure, you've got a good life. You're

enjoying your life right now. It's great. but, you know, it's like you put a collar on a dog. Dog doesn't remember that collar after like an hour. It just becomes part of it's like who it is, right? So the collar of habit, you know, yeah, it's comfortable, gives you a feeling of safety, security, gives you a sense of this is who I amness. But once you start realizing you're collared by your habits, it creates a claustrophobic feeling if you really start analyzing.

Right, right. Yeah, yeah, where you realize, like, you're not as free as you think you are. At all. Yeah. In fact, you're, like, a complete slave to your habits if you are just, like, playing chess one move at a time. You know, you're just trapped. Right. And I think that's what the existentialists we're talking about. It's like, you've got to, like, this episode of the DTFH has been supported by my dear friends at Squarespace. And they are my friends.

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Yeah, yeah, that just push yourself. It's an out of your comfort zone thing. Yeah. You've got to constantly be doing that. No, not even out of your, that's the other problem. It's like out of your comfort zone, you're still in your zone, right? Because you're basing what's not your comfort zone. zone by probably something antithetical to the comfort zone.

Theoretically, whatever the fuck this is, you have to figure out a way to not be out of your comfort. You have to be out of your zone zone. Yeah. And that, whatever that is can't be based on the current zone you're in. So it's like, how do we do it? But it is weird. It is, you know, you hear about these people.

They wander off one day and they find them a few years later living completely different lives. They've gone into a fugue state. Yes. They forgot who they were. and then they just reinvented themselves as some completely different thing. That's always fascinated.

Yeah, it's at some level of enlightenment when you're able to leave it all behind. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you ever think about that? I'll fucking do, but I can't. Yeah, well, I just think about how easy it was in like the 1800s, if you wanted to start over,

you just have to go to the next town and say your name was something different. Yes. Yeah, that's like a wild thought. Now you can. Everything, you're tracked. You have a social security number. Your wallet's on your phone.

It's like it's over. You can't do that. You can't just like clean break like you could. Okay. So from this perspective of we're living in a simulated reality, those are the kinds of things that you would want in the code to make sure that your MPCs stay in their level. You know, you don't want to wandering to different zones. Yeah. So that Wild West shit was like a beta version.

Exactly. Yeah. And now they're figuring out like, hey, how do we keep them in the same spot? Exactly. Because they keep wandering out of their zone. Right. And so then you look at AI and technology and comfort and everyone getting into their houses. It's even more keeping the NPCs in their fucking zone.

Give them a vicarious experience of other people's lives to give them a sense of adventure, let them play video games. So they, you know, satisfy that human exploratory urge. But ultimately, you're just, you're on your ass. Like you're not doing anything. You're not impacting the simulation in any kind of real way. you can't disrupt the simulation in any kind of meaningful way. You can. You just, you have to stop doing whatever it is you're doing over and over again.

And then who knows what will happen? Will you be punished? Right. The real question would be, does the simulation punish you for going outside your zone? Or does it respect you for going outside of her zone? Or is it actually, it's the test. It's, that's the game itself is moving out of wherever the fuck you are. into some completely new place.

So I don't know why I'm talking about this, but just because you're so brilliant, I look to know your thoughts on it. Yeah, well, no, this is, this is why we started, you told me about random nodding, about going to random locations. Yes. And like, you end up, you do end up in like these places

where you're like, oh, did the simulation rush to simulate this? Because we, I remember one time, me and my friends, we picked a random location and it sent us to a sign for a block party. So we're like, like, it was a sign in a neighborhood and be like block party this time. So we're like, okay, we obviously have to go to the block party. By the way, explain what random knots is.

So random, the idea is, this is how you explain it to me, is that you, if you do something truly random, the simulation isn't prepared for that and we'll try to simulate things hurriedly and things will be off. Right. Right. And so random notting is this app that is getting, I think you said data from a quantum computer somewhere. Well, that's the story. That's the story. You know, it's getting it from, Josh, pull up how to get true random numbers.

It's interesting because if you use an algorithm to get true random, it's not true random. You can't generate truly random numbers with just software. You need a source of physical unpredictability, entropy like atmospheric noise, radioactive decay or quantum events. Right. You can use radioactive decay supposedly. Right. The random numbers or whatever the fuck is generated by randomauts is connected to some kind of, I don't know, radioactive material. It could just be part of the story. I don't fucking know.

It's one of those things where it's like I'll choose to buy into it because it's more fun that way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it'll send you to a random location and then I don't do it very often, but I'll do it every once in a while. And it gives them an interesting sort of results sometimes. But yeah, so we go. It sends us to this thing for a block party and we're like, we have to go to the block party. So we got to end up going to the block party the next. It's like the next day. And it was like a church thing. It was like four kids, so we didn't really like hang out there. We did that. It's like, oh, like, this is a neighborhood and we're just kind of in it. And we feel out of place and I look insane. So, but as far as the random simulation goes, we came across, they had a petting zoo.

Yeah. But the kids were in the small pen and the alpacas were just outside in the grass. The kids, boys, that the Jeffrey F. steam petting zoo? Yeah, it was like a weird reverse petting zoo. And at one point, one of the alpacas looks at us and we look at the alpaca and the whole, like, What we're communicating to each other is something's off about this. Alpacas is like, what the fuck's happening? The Alpacas is looking at us.

Like, do you know? And we're like, bro, we don't know. Yeah. We're just here. We're just visiting and we're out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

This is, so I've, so folks listening, I know I've talked about this a little bit before, but there's interesting experiments you could do, not if you don't want to use random. It's just really fun and cool. Yeah. There's other things you can do that are quite interesting. which is change any behavior pattern that you do every day. You don't have to start jogging. You don't have to start lifting weights.

It doesn't have to be a big deal. I've even heard if you, for the next 30 days, when you wake up, the first thing you do is go get a glass, fill it with water, dump it in the toilet. That's it. It doesn't have to be anything, but just some new thing that doesn't fit with your life pattern. some people will do like extreme things like make it for the next month i will not use the word me okay which is hard really interesting that's hard yeah um or i i won't be self-referential for the next month other things that i've heard people do is i will not use my left hand for a month that's hardcore right but the reason you find this prescription and a lot of esoteric

circles is because based on what we're talking about, it throws off your whole, if you just throw off one piece of your life pattern, all the other pieces shift because it's all sort of part of the same like, I don't know, you see those sand sculptures where people have poured colored sand into like an aquarium. One sedimentary layer of that gets displaced at all. You're basically butterfly affecting your day. That's it. And from that, you butterfly affect your whole life. And then that's when you start experiencing anomalous events. Because every day you're experiencing anomalous events because it's your normal life.

You're not attuned to them. Right. So you start experiencing a different variety of anomalous events. And that can be enough to sort of inspire a person into a completely different way of life. Damn. No longer MPC or no longer like you're, or whatever the MPC you started off as, you're shifting. It's like corrective programming. Corrective fucking programming.

Really fascinating. I like stuff like that I just like just throw me off kilter a little bit Let's see let's experience life From a different perspective Yeah And so that's why I change my look constantly Like I'll go through years

I bald shaved head was a big look Yeah Then I went crazy hair Mad Scientist look And now I got a corn road And I was like I kind of like this Oh I didn't notice your cornrows Let me see holy shit

That's cool as fuck Yeah It's like why not Why not just play with the avatar And see what happens I agree Why keep the avatar are people are so used to like a look.

But like if I change mine every like I basically change mine once every two years, I completely change what I'm going for. Yeah. Whether that be clothes or hair or something, beard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I agree.

Like this is, there's something just so musty that can happen to any human life, which is like, even if you're having a great fucking life, it's, you're in the truth. You're in Groundhog's day. Right.

You're just looping. It's the same day. Why are you even saying this is Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday? You're literally time warped. You're experiencing the exact same day. Things are reacting to you in a predictable way because you're doing the exact same thing you always do. And that's resulted in the life that you think is your life.

But that is only because you just keep doing the same show over again. Right, right. You're only perceiving this to be your life because you've boxed yourself into it. Right. Like, you know, one thing I've noticed because I used to get fucking angry all the time, I figured it out. but anybody who is expressing that their life is fucked up, they're angry. Right? And they're angry because why?

Their life is fucked up. Right. But I've noticed that having done years of experimentation with varying degrees of anger, it does not ever result in anything good. It always fucks your life up. So if you're having a fucked up life and you're angry because you're having a fucked up life, you're always going to have a fucked up life. Right.

Well, you're also saying if you're angry, you have a fucked up life a lot. And that's, dude, saying something out loud in the universe is so powerful. You believe that. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. The greatest, the greatest lesson I ever got on saying things in the universe is Tony fucking Hinchcliffe. What? I used to go.

I used to when I was a door guy. the comedy store, he would say, after before every set, I'm one of the top young rising comedians. Yeah, I'm looking at him now. Everyone made fun of him. Everyone laughed at him. Yeah. People would, to his face, be like, why the fuck are you doing that? Where is he now?

Right. It's like, bro, you can just say it. Right. And you can make it real. It's so weird that way, isn't it? It's really, but you have to, like, truly say it and, like, truly. And it's like, it's not like people like that. don't deal with self-doubt.

There's no way he's a comic. He's an artist. There's no way he didn't deal with self-doubt while he was saying that. But the key is you say the thing that you want. Yeah. The universe, it's the squeaky wheel against the grease. The universe can only hear you. There's this great interview.

There's this great graduation speech that Jim Carrey gets that Jim Carrey tells. It's amazing. But he talks about like, people are just so afraid to ask the universe for stuff. Which is weird. Yeah. And his overall point is his truth. is like the fact that I exist is truth to that, like you can. I just ask the universe for this.

Yeah, you think I started off with a 12-inch dick? No. It was a micro penis. Yeah, you just asked the universe more. I have a foot-long cock. I'd say that every morning. But you know what's so funny? If you say that every morning, you might have the energy of a man who is a foot-long cock.

True. Yeah, and it doesn't really matter. If you have the vibe of a foot-long cock, you know, Longcock, who cares if he does? People will care. Maybe not. Listen, I agree with you. I think these are things that people hear all the fuck a time.

Maybe if we did a TikTok dance, it would really get it out there. But most people don't want, that's where it gets interesting. They feel dumb asking the universe for stuff. It's like, only the universe can hear you. Or they're scared because they know that if they get the thing that they most desire, it's going to change them fundamentally. And then they have to contend with the possibility that existence precedes essence. In other words, there's no fundamental you.

Right. That's terrifying. As long as things are sort of reacting to you the same way, as long as your worries are the same worries, as long as your fears are the same fears, your enemies are the same enemies, that means you are a you, solid, static, stable. Right. The moment that shit changes, it challenges your conceptualization of you as an identity. Right? And then at some point, what are you even the you used to be anymore?

Is that person dead? Did you actually annihilate yourself not by literal self-destruction, but by recreating yourself? Right. And in that case, you weren't really anything at all and you aren't anything now. You just, right? I think that's the real reason people are afraid of doing these experiments is they want. They don't want to lose themselves completely. Exactly.

That's valid. That's it. They would somewhere deep down, they would rather be living there, the life that they know. The essence that they've shaped. Yeah. Then start making changes. Challenging it all together and seeing who they are. Yeah.

Because you have to say goodbye to that other you. Yeah, you have to let go. You have to, you know, in comedy they call it kill your babies. But you got to do that with your ideas, your thoughts, your habits. And that's like tough to do. You got to go plan parenthood. And the the the the the the the the the like dude I have so many children now in the life that I have now whatever I was before this life it's fading away.

Yeah. It's like some kind of dream I had or something like that. And this now I'm in a new dream. You know what I mean? Josh, your dad. And I just think that that's scary for some people. I mean, there's this great book by Ursula K. LaGuen called The Wizard of Earth Sea.

Oh, she has great books. Dude, she's great. Yeah, the lathe of heaven is one of my favorites. It's only, it's like a paragraph in this book, but they're talking about these wizards. They're these wizards that could turn themselves into dolphins. And what's dangerous about doing that is the longer you stay a dolphin, the less you remember that you were a wizard. And eventually you forget and you don't turn back into. a wizard. And so people, we are polymorphs. We can change everything about us.

Via our hair, our clothes, decisions. And I just think that's really unnerving to some people who would rather just make a strong sense of self. Yeah. Rather than a flowing sense of self. Exactly. Depends on what kind you want. Damn. Yeah. Like in a neat world, there's like, there's there's something that is, you know, primary to the philosophical question, I think, that in Meat World, that's very funny. It's logical. Yeah. But the counter to that is that anyone who's gone into AI and been unburdened by their physical

appearance has taken on some new physical appearance, new name, new identity, it's a joy. Like, it's something quite liberating about that and wonderful. And the, you know, the ability to explore reality as a completely different being is a joy. It's a joyful thing, really. You know, I, I would love to know, like, if I could, like, shift my avatar into a variety of things, I would love to just walk down the street and experience, like, what the POV is like from a hot woman from, I don't know, someone with dwarfism from, you know what I mean, whatever. Right. It would be, it's like this, this is the undiscovered country that we have not been able to

access because of obvious reasons. You can't fucking mutate your body into something else. Right. And now people are beginning to do that. Mm-hmm. And it's freaking, it freaks people out. And people are like kind of conditioned to be okay. Like if you play a lot of video games, you're kind of conditioned to be okay with that

just because you can pick your avatar. But even like, I play a lot of Overwatch. This is the only game I play. And I play this, it's, you know, different heroes that have different things, different abilities, and you pick the hero based on the situation. And sometimes the right hero is a woman.

And then the players in the game will treat you like a girl. Right. Yeah. It's a different experience. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, from that perspective, there's something very like American and like very like,

I don't. know. There's something like weirdly like courageous and crazy and and like magical about changing yourself at that level. Like you know what I mean? From from a philosophical perspective, I mean, these two things can exist simultaneously by the way. It's like, you know what I mean? Having the expectation that the entire world of default reality should align. with your next level cutting edge perception of what it is to exist as a human being at a fundamental level, I think is a little optimistic based on my experience with most people. Very optimistic.

But all that being said, and I'm not just talking about, Jenner, I'm saying, like, come on, anyone listening right now, even if you have strong opinions about people changing their gender, In all seriousness, if you could turn yourself into a dragon for a day, would thou not? Yeah, you would be like, I got to know what it's like to fly. Exactly. And breathe fire. A sparrow, a roach, a rat, an eagle, you'd want to be able to turn into all these fucking things. Of course.

Right. I think what's, yeah, what's tough with the, what bothers people most about all the transgender stuff is on that level is like, I would do that. temporarily, but someone who has, who would do that almost permanently, that's like a harder level to wrap your mind around. Also, what I'm talking about is like literally turning into an eagle. Yes, exactly. You know, if somebody glued some feathers to their fucking face and wanted me to call them an eagle, I'd have some problems with that.

Right. You know, that's the, that's, I think, the sort of culture wars issue there. Right. People are railing against what essentially amounts to at this point in time. I'm relatively low level medical technology to execute perfectly transforming oneself. Right. And so that's what people seem to be more upset about it. It's like the tech.

But if we had the technology to like not turn someone to like look like an eagle, maybe not like, like, do you think people would solve a problem with that? If like the technology was there with that you could just be an eagle? Yeah, someone's always going to have a fucking problem with whatever the fuck it is. That's fair. Like you know what I mean? They're probably, yeah. It's going to be like, like, oh, great. So now what?

Are you going to fuck another eagle? Yeah. Yeah. I get it all comes back to pussy dog. That's why we do anything. Can you pull up Eagles fucking to wrap us up here? Because I don't even know how they fuck. Oh, this is a good way to end.

Video, please. To cloacco kiss. Bald Eagles performing courtship behavior. And you'd have to look up at this and be like, is that an actual human? Is that just some horny fucking in-cell? Turn himself into an eagle to get laid. Dude, first of all, that's the most hardcore. Dude, what?

That's beautiful. Did they just fuck? It's an mating experience. I think they fuck later. It's like the dance. They went to the club. That's them at the club. Can you pull up Eagles fucking, please, Josh?

Yeah. But first of all, if they're fucking in free fall, that's insane. I don't see how. You'd have to, like, spray jizz directly into the male Eagles pussy. That's a courtship display. Can you put up, pull up, Eagles mating? Actually, you should say Madele's pussy. Actually, you should say mating.

Eagles made. There it is. There it is. Doggy. Doggy stat. Cut the volume, Josh. Ow, with the claws in the back. I don't know.

People are into that. You're like getting scratched up. Impact play. Impact play. Thanks for you. Oh, yeah. Look. Wow.

They last longer than me. Welcome. Thank you and welcome again. Why did I say that? Cut that part. What the fuck? I just got so distracted by that. Osana, you're the best.

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