Duncan Trussell Family Hour - 740: Servants of The Oil Dragon

Episode Date: March 1, 2026

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Hi friends, it's me, Duncan. Welcome to the DTFH. Before we get going with this incredibly powerful, controversial episode of the DTFH with the brilliant Abby Martin, I have to invite you to come and participate in my night streams. I've been doing them just about every night. It's on YouTube, and they've been such a blast. The night streams are the ultimate streams happening on YouTube, and that's coming from everyone, hands down, across the board and the entire country has been saying that over and over again. It's weird when you're walking down the street and you just hear people saying that, but it's the truth.

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You can find all my dates at Dunkettressel.com or I think they're on the screen right now if you're on YouTube. Now, oh my God, it was so great to have Abby back on the DTFH. You probably know Abby from the Empire Files. She is a brilliant journalist who is so courageous and just is really, like, inspirational to me. I know it's cheesy, but whenever I do a podcast with her, I always feel energized and, like, less hopeless. We haven't done a podcast for, I don't know, over 11 years. And so it was great to reconnect with her and talk about our new movie, Earth's Greatest Enemy. Holy shit.

I don't know how my dumb ass missed it, but I never thought about how much oil the United States military consumes every day. And Abby just did an amazing documentary on the environmental impact. of the largest military on the planet. It's called Earth's Greatest Enemy. You can find it at earth's greatest enemy.com, and you can tune in to all things Abby Martin at the Empire Files. She's a brilliant journalist who's out there doing the Lord's Work. So now everybody, welcome, Abby Martin.

Let's do it, Josh. Gregorian chant. This is how you start your... Yes. It stimulates the vagus nerve, I heard now. I don't know what the vagus nerve is, but it stimulates it, and it's supposed to be good. I'll teach you after the show. It's not that hard.

Abby, it's been too long. How long has it been since you were on the DTF age since I was in New York, I believe? Jesus, Lord. And so much has changed. So much has happened. Personally, for you? Yeah, and you. You became a mom.

I became a Texas breeder. You're the Elon Musk of, you're just a breeder now. You've been working on this beautiful documentary, Earth's greatest enemy. Finally, it's completed. And, you know, in the beginning, you bring up something that anyone who has kids experiences, which is, you know, I'm not saying if you don't have kids, you can't, like, you're not worried about the future, obviously. breeders and non-breeders alike, feel a little nervous about the world. But once you have kids, it's all your chips around the table. And world events become somehow more intense. And so can you

talk a little bit about how that inspired you to work on this documentary? Yes, Duncan. Yes, having a child and then realizing, oh God, we're all in. We are so invested in the stake of the future of this planet. And it's not that I wasn't all in before. I never had a choice that we're growing up in the Imperial Corps. We're American citizens. So all of everything's happening on our shoulders in our names. But having a kid, it's like, it's so weird talking to other parents throughout my life. And they're like, oh, yeah, yeah. When you have a family, you'll, you'll understand like this activist stuff. And for me, it's like, what do you mean? We don't have a choice. We have to be all in. We have to be invested in our children's.

lives and the habitability of this planet. Otherwise, what the hell are we doing? Yeah, it seems like there's like a sort of group of competing ideologies right now. We talked about it when you hear. So it's sort of the competing ideologies basically like how do you mitigate the anxiety of knowing that your children are going to be living on a planet after you're dead? You can't do anything for them, and your grandkids are going to be on this planet. So to mitigate this anxiety, there's lots of ways to do it. Right. Now, let's talk about the first way.

And I feel like I need to bring this up. And I'm positive you'll be able to address it. So one way one could mitigate the anxiety when you hear all these scientists saying, dude, you don't fucking understand. Like, it's bad. And you see, like, regardless of, like, hurt. hurricanes, unlike anything we've ever seen before, regardless of videos of like ice caps melting or shit getting infinitely colder than it's supposed to be. Like right now in Greenland, it's like

negative 65 degrees. Just weird weather everywhere. Regardless of all that, you can tune in to an algorithm that will serve you all kinds of counter arguments for climate change. Well, it's challenging because, you know, you're like walking outside and it's, well, I live in Texas, but it's, I go on the road a lot and you just, it's weird. You know, weather's fucking weird right now. I think this is undeniable, right? So there's more refined versions of the algorithm, but they all are in the cabinet of climate change is a leftist George Soros-fueled conspiracy theory to, um,

make money for, I don't know, like, solar panel companies. And it's like, it's a whole grift. So how would you respond to that? And, you know, because that is one, one really sophisticated way. Yeah. To be like, well, it's all bullshit. Right. Everything's fine.

Yeah. I mean, I think, I think, in part, we were talking about a trauma response to the abject just reality, our material conditions degrading over time. And that is coupled with these anomalous weather events. I mean, they are extreme. When I saw an Inconvenient Truth 20 years ago, I was like, okay, the ice caps are going to melt and the oceans are going to rise. And the polar bears are going to be stranded on these ice caps. And then I'm realizing now it's everything and everywhere. It's extreme drought. It's the wind. It's the fires. It's everything. Yeah. is affected by this. But how would I address that? I mean, we did kind of have that idea. Do we

address the debunking arguments of climate change out of the gate? And we decided not to. And I think at this point, to your point, Duncan, the algorithm can feed you whatever you want and reinforce whatever worldview exists. So what I've seen, people are actually more decoupled from reality than they were 20 years ago. So like the fires in L.A., you would think that everyone would be like, oh God, we're seeing climate change on our doorstep. But instead, it was like there's, it's China. Lasers. Lasers. It's the DEI firefighters.

It just became really kind of bizarre in terms of the rhetoric. And it all goes back to propaganda. I look at how none of this happens in a vacuum. Who's pushing the propaganda that climate change is fake? Because it is true that it is a market-oriented approach. It is true that Al Gore siphoned that energy and used it into these kind of carbon trading schemes and fraudulent like market campaigns. And that's the problem is that neoliberalism has been so hollowed out and corrupted

that they have literally just taken superficialized and tokenized real grassroots struggles around things like climate change advocacy and tokenize it and sold it back to us with products. And that's what they did. And so of course it's hollowed out. And of course you have a whole contingent of people who look at the climate change rhetoric. and they're like, this is fake. These are billionaires who are posing the shit and they're not doing anything to actually mitigate these things.

So I understand that. The problem is this is propaganda pushed out by oil corporations and it has been for decades. It's the same corporations who've told us recycling is the answer while they're pushing out single-use plastic bottles. Right. Right. Right.

So there's a parallel here to the way people dismiss various religions, which is because like, you know, a priest does some horrible thing to a kid or because there's, like, all the things that we know happen in organized religion, they don't even go to the source material. They just ignore it. They don't even, you know, and there's so many takes on the source material anyway, which is a difference between scripture and, like, scientific research. But where it's similar is, you get this, like, massive.

amount of data pointing towards a direction that's horrible and theoretically preventable. And then, just like what you said, people like fucking Al Gore figure out how to cash in on that. And then the fossil fuel companies are like, oh, fuck, yeah, let's point out these motherfuckers are cashing in on it. Neither of these things discount the original data set. Yes. Yes. But you could either just like become completely illogical.

And these poor fucking scientists who don't know how to talk to people, that's not, they're scientists. If you've ever been around a scientist, not all of them, many of them, you know, they're not front-facing. They never wanted to be. They study tiny little minutia, little tiny things. And it all comes together into this incredible body of work from which we can extrapolate how the future is going to look. so they can't get out there and be like, guys, no, but you don't understand this is in any kind of charismatic way. And the thing is they have been, and which is so uncharacteristic of them, because you're right,

all the scientists that we talked to, there was a whole part of the documentary we took out. I'm like, I am not going to belabor, like climate science. Like, no one's going to fucking watch this movie to be like, I want to learn about climate change. It's like, we want to learn about the military and how they're contributing. And so all these climate scientists that I was talking to, they were just like, yeah, like, this is happening. and it's all very just kind of like monotone. Like they, 20 years ago, 30 years ago,

is like the scientists were just like, the politicians will act accordingly with our data. Like that, like, why wouldn't they? We're putting out the data. It's so sweet. It's such a sweet, naive worldview. But now you actually see climate scientists chaining themselves to Citibank being like, like, listen to us.

I mean, I'm seeing it more and more where they are at their limit. I mean, they don't know what else to do to say, we fucking told you do something now. And now there's just entire swarms of bots that anytime it even does any kind of climate-related activism, it's going to like parody it, satirize it. Come on, really? What the fuck? What the fuck? And so meaning that the signal jamming now is so extreme that it's very hard to get any kind of like message like this across.

This brings this to your documentary. Because, you know, it's so wide. It's one of those things that's like I never once have wondered about how much oil the U.S. military consumes per day. Right. It's never occurred to me. I've never thought. Not that it would, but whoa! What is the amount?

How many? 270,000 barrels. A day. A day. A day. Okay. That is so spooky when you can see. when you consider that all the wars, the shit in Venezuela, it just happened, the shit in Iran,

that hopefully isn't going to happen, but probably will. All the Middle East wars, from that perspective, are because we've made this modular, oil-consuming dragon. It needs more fuel. And so to get more fuel, it creates wars justifying that, needs to exist. It's so fucked up, dude. That is so terrifying.

I know. I know. And that's the thing about it. You can talk about legacy contamination, which is a whole other part of this story, which is every time the military has built up, waves of militarization of the Cold War of Vietnam, and now the China buildup,

there's different contamination zones with all the bases and testing grounds and expansion. But we're talking about just the maintenance of the arsenal. We're talking about just the maintenance of a global military empire. That's how much oil it takes to just supply and maintain. And to your point, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. You need to continue to pillage and plunder every last vestige of oil and natural resources in order to justify the expanse.

Wow. It is, so it's like cyclonic. It's like, you know, the conditions for a tornado or it's like the perfect condition. to create a never-ending rampaging destruction around the planet until we come up with a way to like fuel people-blower-uppers with like quantum energies. But paradoxically, if that happened, I imagine like all of the current level of military activity that we're witnessing would diminish because it wouldn't need to eat as much anymore. So it really is like this is I'm just curious your thoughts on this.

You know, you said in your documentary, I'm a product of the war on terrorism. The war on terror and truly like and the war on drugs too, don't forget. We've been through a lot of bullshit fucking wars. And so we've all been, you know, propagandized. And like various programs come and go, right? Now it's the war on fraud, state of the union. Now they're fighting fraud. There's always these wars going on.

But I remember the war in Iraq. I remember the protests. I remember in L.A. going out there. People in the streets. So many people because we got this sense. Jesus fucking Christ. We're going to do this stupid war. And it was like good.

This was the reaction. Yeah. Cut to today. We have an unprecedented buildup of the military. ostensibly to wage war with Iran. Yeah. And it's crickets over here, man. People are now, we just, I guess, accept

that the oil dragon is going to fucking dragon. It needs to be fed. It needs to be fed. We just accept it now. We don't even, you know, obviously people are like tweeting. I am what the fuck? I thought you were going to be the peace president. But, you know what I mean?

Like the way we used to push back, It's like we've been subdued. The American population has been subdued to the point of just accepting this is how we function as a country or what you call an empire. Yeah. I mean, I think it's been a full frontal assault. It's our psyche. It's our physiology. It's our minds.

I mean, to have that kind of full frontal war on every facet of our lives, it's very, very paralyzing and destabilizing. and just the barrage of like false news, fake information, propaganda. I mean, to your point, we're so siloed that we can just be reinforced with just complete falsehoods. See what you see. Don't be duped. Like Barry Sanders said in the documentary. I always think this. Why are the richest men in the world forcing a certain narrative to us on social media?

What are they trying to amplify? What is the false narrative that they're constructing for us? Why do they want us to think that half the country agrees with this? How many people are fake? You know, I have to keep thinking of that because having a pulse in just traveling across the country for this documentary, I am completely blown away at how many people are awake, are talking about these issues, know my work. They're just like, it's amazing. And I think when you're stuck kind of brain-rodded, which I have been making this documentary and watching the Gaza genocide for so long, I was under the impression, like, a lot more kind of pessimistic, like, we are full. completely fucking cooked. We are done for. And now I'm like, actually, I am seeing, to your point,

where are the people? I think that people have protest fatigue because they were protesting sustained activism for three years under Biden about Gaza. Right. I mean, they were doing, and then it's like Trump gets in and it's like, oh, God. Yeah. There's Venezuela. There's Cuba. There's Iran. It's like, what do we mobilize for? Because that's why this documentary is so important, because it's trying to bridge all of these together and saying it's one beast. Yeah, yeah. It's one thing. Yeah, it is.

It's the military industrial complex. It's a military empire that's parasitically and vampiristically sucking every last drop of our blood, sweat, and tears. Yeah, yeah. Happily killing people. I mean, like, I mean, I know that's an obvious thing to say. This episode of the DTFH is brought to you by Better Help. Friends, if you, like me, have experienced some kind of relationship. issues to the point where you start asking yourself,

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This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. I know it's so obvious, but that, that, I think you can extrapolate from that anything else that you need to extrapolate. You know, like, for example, I doubt you know anyone who happily kills people and makes jokes about it. I doubt you do. I don't. but if you did have someone like that in your life, you'd feel nervous probably around them. And any other thing they did, like if they shoplifted,

if they were arsonists, if they, I don't know, dug up a grave and, like, wore the rotting clothes. It wouldn't shock you. It's like, yeah, they like to kill people. So anything goes at that point. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And, Josh, do you have that thing queued up? Let's just play it if you can get it. State of the Union address last night, made the horrific mistake of live streaming it. It's the most boring shit of all time. but this is a clip here is a clip where

Donald Trump does and I just have to say this is one of one of the things American presidents do that I feel fairly successfully desensitized to most things at this point but like when Obama made the joke about dating my daughters don't forget drones

and you're like you motherfucker you blew up families with those fucking things you really making drone jokes you piece of shit you sociopathic Jeffrey Dahmer level piece of shit You've got a higher body count Than Jeffrey fucking Dahmer And I don't think he made jokes about it I've seen the interviews

You know what I mean Yeah he was at least somber You're up there fucking doing BBC Style documentaries about nature man Yes dude and so this What do you know Trump does? I kill people joke Go ahead and just play this Josh

Jesus Lord You might have to cut forward They do this creepy zoom in on Hexeth within that. I don't, what's her? What's her name? NUM. Yeah, look at her. What's going on with her? Dude, it's weird. Look at that look. Oh. Soaring American security and dominance in the Western Hemisphere. What is it? What's going on with her? They're just Zoom in because it's so weird.

From violence, drugs, terrorism, and foreign interference for years, large swaths of territory in our region, including large parts of Mexico, really large parts of Mexico. I've been controlled by murderous drug cartels. That's why I designated these cartels as foreign terrorist organizations. And I declared illicit fentanyl as a weapon of mass destruction. Can you pause there, Josh? Okay, so I did think at this point, like, God, like all the people I see out in the streets doing the looking for their keys things on fentanyl, how happy they would be if they heard we're about to get attacked with fentanyl. It'd be the fucking best thing that ever.

Fendentano bombs. They'll be out in the streets. Okay, keep playing, Josh. The Dems will not stand. And with our new military campaign, we have stopped record amounts of drugs coming into our country and virtually stopped it,

completely coming in by water or sea. You probably noticed that. I'm very seriously damaged their fishing industry also. Nobody wants to go fishing anymore. What the fuck? Okay. We've all. Okay.

So, right, right? Same. Same. Like, that gives me the same feeling because it's like, it's like, dude, like, okay, fine. Let's just, let's just imagine the propaganda is real. You blew up some people fucking bringing fentanyl in, which does fuck up lies. You blew them up. No trial or anything. We're going to assume that wasn't fishing boats. Let's just pretend that's true. You still gave the, it's the death penalty. That's the death penalty without That's a public execution, no trial We don't know for sure what's going on there A lot of those fucking people They're getting blackmailed I don't want to make them into victims By the way, I don't know what's going on with that

But let's just say it's all true These are monsters Halling Fentineau cackling pictures of like destroyed families on their submarine Or whatever they're like You know what I mean? They're like Ah, this is great. This is a weapon. Fine.

But then to make a joke That like now people can't go fucking fishing out there because they're afraid you're going to blow them the fuck up. That says everything. I don't care if the boat's made of Coke or made of fentanyl. Like you cannot just kill people. God, that'd be great. And the thing is, no boats were found with fentanyl.

Like, like the only thing that they found was weed, which is legal in many states. So it's like, I, yeah. Right. But this is sick. I would love to sail on a Coke boat. It would be the funest fishing trip of your life. until it sank because you snorted your boat up. But, okay, so this to me is a sort of, when I see that, at this point I look at it and I think, okay, that is might as well be another species than what I think of humans as.

because like if I like as president somehow felt like we've got to do this, fentanyl's destroying families. The only way to solve this problem is to like drop bombs on smugglers in the sea. Somebody I really believe that. I don't know. I can't get there. But like I believe that. And then I ordered the strikes killing people.

Wouldn't that haunt you? Wouldn't that, wouldn't that haunt you for the rest of your life that you, like, like kill people. Wouldn't that eat you? The thing is we're normal people with empathy and humanity. Someone like Pete Hegeseth was literally like it. He's like affiliated with like a biker gang whose doctrine is kill all Muslims in the world. The Gaza humanitarian foundation that Pete Hegset was like administering this like fake feeding

operation that was going on in Gaza. It was literally hundreds of people who are part of like Pete Hegst's like anti-Muslim gang. And they just went there to just, like, shoot down Palestinians and mow them down. This was all reported from the whistleblower, Anthony Aguilar, who was part of the operation. Yeah. These people are maniacs. They're sociopaths. There you go.

Yeah. So it would make sense because, like, they are servants of the oil dragon, right? So, like, basically, like, if we look at the oil dragon as some kind of actual love-crafting. Let's anthropomorphize the, like, yes, the oil dragon. He's a dragon. It's like a Lovecraftine Eldridge horror. And these are the servants of this fucking thing. So of course they're like, what we know about them is that they really don't give a fuck about killing people.

Like that is no problem for them. They feel like it's justified, normal. It all makes sense. So. And they don't care about killing veterans or soldiers that are American either. They don't care about. Oh, no. No.

Those are offerings to the oil dragon. that's a necessary offering. Every year you have to do. You have to satisfy the oil dragon wants more than oil. He likes blood for dessert. Now, the other thing that is really spooky to me about this shit, Abby, is the, listen, the medal of honor. Like, I don't think there's anything wrong with like, you know, rewarding troops. Fine.

It makes sense. It's a country. That's what they do forever. But why does it have to be a pinagram? You know what I mean? It's a fucking reverse pinagram. If you have served the oil dragon well, they will hang a fucking pinagram on your neck.

I don't know where you stand on that kind of stuff, but the Alex Jones and me, anytime I see it, is like, dude, there's a lot of shapes. I like Alex Jones is like, nope, nothing to see here. It's like pallioteer, like a fucking surveillance state, police. state everything is coming true and he's just like nope this is not I'm having he's coming on the show soon oh perfect perfect talk to him I got to ask him I want to ask him this is everything that you

prophetitize like this is everything that you said was going to happen with end game well but see this is the this is the thing man to that point to that point you know probably you know behold a pale horse the seminal conspiracy theory book so you know all these prognost were made long ago about this sort of tightening, very slowly tightening news that leads to authoritarianism in the West, right? Like the predictions of the military in the streets, all these things. But the genius of whoever's running these campaigns right now is they figured out a way to do it, but to make it seem like it's part of like MAGA. or part of like some conservative movement,

meaning that even if you were a conservative, and many conservatives are like conspiracy theorists, many conservatives are, what do we want? Small government, right? What do we want? Like, less war and shit. And so it's this humiliation ritual because here we see the thing itself.

You got the military in the fucking streets. You got masked, like... State executioners, yeah. State executions, poorly trained state executioners. Mall cop rejects. But those fucking mall cops, though, you know, they actually did more for the anti-ice movement than any of the fucking protesters, those fat fucks because they weren't trained. They fucking, one of our friends as a cop, we showed him that footage. I'm like, what do you think of this from like your training?

And he's like, oh, it's just unprofessional, horrible training. None of that should have happened. And so, but look what happened. Yeah. Now they're defunded. They're not getting fucking paid. now. And also the other thing that happened is Minnesota, what we're seeing there is an example of what I love about this country in the midst of the, what did you call it, the nucleus of the

empire of the imperial core. Paradoxically, within the imperial core, shit like what happened in Minnesota happens, which is just in sub-freezing fucking weather. People come out and they don't stop. A hundred thousand strong. Don't stop. They don't stop. And it worked. They're gone. Well, they weren't expecting, yeah, they weren't expecting the solidarity of the community to come up and face down ice agents after seeing their neighbors getting kidnapped and people getting shot in the street. They wanted people to be completely shrunk in fear. And they, the opposite happened. People came out in droves, unafraid. I mean, it was quite amazing.

Unafraid. Women in bath robes out in the fucking sub-zero temperatures, like just filming these people right in their faces. Isn't that curious to you, though? It's amazing. You're sort of like, you're a living paradox in the sense that you are in the imperial core you have a life in the imperial core a family in the imperial core and somehow whatever the fuck this thing is it it can't stop people like you that's what's interesting to me about it it's like it's not it's far from

perfect it like if it's in goal is an unquestioning populist that just sort of agrees with whatever the state wants to do that doesn't push back that just fucking grins and bears it the tao is fuff you know what i mean who relates to that well there you go yeah yeah yeah but what are they speaking to you know in a weird way you just the fact that you're above ground right now it right right It shows that whatever the fuck this thing is that you're shining a light on, it hasn't gained full power yet. Minnesota shows that it didn't work. Right.

There's a lot of times where you look at stuff it tries to do, and it gets its hand slapped back. Yeah, it's not absolute, and there's cracks, and there's weaknesses that you can exploit because it is an absolute. And the thing is that the propaganda is so extreme, and the violence. is so desperate and extreme because it's a paper tiger, just like Zionism. It's like they know they have lost the mass consciousness of the people. To your point, there is a contingent of society who's been folded into MAGA that has innate distrust in the government. They know that they were lied to about 9-11, about the Iraq war, but instead of having the clarity that I'm nonpartisan and both parties are lying, they got folded into the whole Trump as anti-deep state. Trump is

fighting fake news and legacy media and that was all very smart banning strategy to say i'm going to take all the disaffected voters the people who are detached from the political system and actually folded into the right wing control sphere and it worked really well yeah um and so the democrats had no idea what to do because they're a complete failure of an opposition party and so that what you saw was a solidifying like of the strength of maga taking all of these disparate movements the conspiracy theory stuff, the Alex Jones people, and folding them all in. The RFK, the Tulsi, yeah. It's actually really, really amazing because I meet people all the time who are critical minded, who fall into these tropes a lot because of just the way that the media spectrum is, where there is no room

at all. It's everything is just consolidated more and more and more into right-wing media. Do you think it's true that the stuff that they're saying that the whole Maga thing is like dead now, like the whole thing's collapsing that no one's buying it anymore, that the, you know, the reality, what you just said is true. It's like everything you just listed, I think, are good things, you know, in the sense that I don't want any more war. I don't want to be propagandized by fucking like, people working for big pharma or military industrial complex.

I want more transparency in all transparency in the federal. I want all of the things that you just listed. And so all those people who got pulled in because they just, they wanted like really good things. Now they're just like, fuck off. Now there's a don't vote movement happening right now, which I hate.

But now there's this like activist realm that is like, Like, you know what? Fuck it. Honestly, I get it. But they're like, fuck it. How many times are you going to get tricked by these fucking reptilians? Like, just stop voting. There's no point.

It's its own humiliation ritual. It is a humiliation ritual. I think it's designated zones of just trauma response. I mean, people who are becoming, I know people who have become quite religious. I know people who were Bernie voters who became MAGA. Yep. It is a kind of a, and I don't want to say cult. I just want to say it is.

It is a group think type trauma response. I mean, you want to be part of something because it's too difficult to deal with reality. And I completely empathize with that. But I think that MAGA is strong. I think that I don't think that it's waning. Because I've talked to people who are MAGA. I've talked to friends of mine who I'm trying to really understand their point of view. And no matter what you say, even the Epstein stuff, nothing penetrates the belief system.

It is all in as a religious system. Right. And that's what's so fascinating about it. So I don't think that that's true. I think it's the opposite. I think people are digging their heels in more. Well, you know, I don't know. And I honestly, like, I've really been trying to like look at my lately.

I've been trying to like really be mindful of my own sort of black pilled cynicism that seems to be floating around inside of me. Because I like it's right now another like if I'm if I'm escaping into ideology. right now, it's not really an ideology. I would say, like, I'm in balance towards nihilism right now, where I just, you know, I see shit like that. I, I think it's something incredibly weird about the fact that blowing up kids in Palestine, it did have an effect, but not as much of an effect is like, like, weirdly, there's, there seems to be some hierarchy of bad things to do to kids, right? Yeah.

And abusing them, like Epstein did, seems to be more disturbing to people than blowing them up. Do you know what I mean? Like, that's more disturbing. That's got more people coming out of the MAGA umbrella than the blowing up kids part. And that's weird to me. It's like, because the oil dragon has gotten us all used to like, yeah, you know, sometimes you blow up kids.

Yeah, yeah. It's an accident. Oh, my God. I did it again. Oh, fuck. God who keeps happening. Oh, fuck 20,000 kids. Oh, shit.

I breathed fire on kids again. I'm sorry. He's hungry. Why does that keep? I just want oil. I don't want children. But then this Epstein fucking thing happens. So I'm really curious your take on that as an emerging phenomenon in the culture right now, Abby,

because you're saying the military industrial complex is in control. Is that the same thing as an oligarchy? And to tie that into Epstein, what the fuck? Like, suddenly we're really. realizing this like you I've read these emails Jesus fucking Christ so suddenly we're you're realizing all the shit people were saying these super rich people are doing is true so is it an oligarchy or is it like the military is secretly in control or is there no difference between those two things and how do you think this Epstein file shit is going to play out over the over the next few months

I mean there's several things going on here I think the psychological impact and effect of of the rapidity of like war crimes and heinous atrocities that Israel has committed. Looking at like the entirety of the Iraq war and the Afghanistan occupation, I mean, all the massacres, the Guantanamo Bay torture, Abu Ghraib, like all these things. It's like, it seems like Israel's doing that kind of shit weekly. Yeah. And so I think what does that do to our minds when like blowing up the first hospital that did and then blamed it on Islamic J.

jihad. And what that did was then normalize every subsequent bombing of every single hospital in the Gaza Strip. No one talked about it the same way that they did the first one. And everyone was arguing and debating whether or not that was even real. And so there's some sort of psychological effect of having so much like an over inundation of heinous things that you can't even process real time. And then it just becomes all the same. It's like there's no even point where you can react accordingly or appropriately because it's so folded. in with everything and so normalized you have to kind of compartmentalize it to just like live your life like like you have to just be like well another day another fucking kid's brains being blown out

on my screen guess i have to go like put one foot in front of the other and go make money yeah and i think that what this did it's created such an unprecedented level of not only paralysis from the global stage i think an exposure of all these global institutions that were really just appendages and farces for the U.S., like the U.N., NATO, all of this is just basically stage-managed by U.S. power. And so what the Gaza Genocide did was reveal the hollow, bankrupt nature of all these global institutions. It made the entire world stage appear like, oh, my God, everyone is just following the beck and call of, like, the U.S., and there's such a level of impunity. That's what leads us to the Epstein stuff. It's like when Israel, when you

don't hold war criminals to account from the Iraq war, when you have someone like Obama saying, look forward, not backward, then you get Gaza. You get levels of impunity that we've never even anticipated or envisioned. Terrifying. And now it's like, now when you set the stage of Gaza, what is next, actually? And so the Epstein thing coming out like a bomb. And it's like, well, this is what happens when the rich can do whatever the fuck they want with no consequences. is this is what happens when you have someone like Jeffrey Epstein as part of this managerial class of powerful people who are administering these systems, working in these systems. And so when you ask, is it an oligarchy? Is it a kleptocracy? Is it the military industrial complex? It's a tiny group of billionaires. All of these corporate boards of directors sit on interlocking boards. They're on the media companies. They sit on the oil companies. They all are part of the same system.

Right. It's just been laid bare like it never has been. I mean, Trump's first term, he had all the weapons contractor CEOs in his office. And he was like, I am the arm salesman in chief. Like, I'm going to make you guys fucking rich. Fuck. And before it was like you had the revolving door. You had like one step away from like a general, you know, fucking the military industrial

complex coming into the Pentagon and being forward-facing. But now it's just right when he blacked backed a sovereign leader, Maduro. The next day, you had all the oil executives in the White House. And he was just like, it is a fucking fire sale for you guys. Right. And so these people are in control. Trump is just the perfect vehicle and conduit because he's a total grifter, total fucking, doesn't give a shit about anything.

He's a complete con artist. And he is the empty vessel. He's the empty vessel for everyone, everyone, all the crazy outliers to attach their own agenda to him. And that's why they're barreling as much through as possible. It's the chaos president. that's why it's like what do we even focus on how do we respond to this right right yeah and you know what's as a comedian like it has to be said do you know one of his superpower he's funny he's funny he's fucking

he's not as funny as it used to be but he's getting less funny he's not gonna be funny when world war three starts when he quips about like irradiated fucking idaho or whatever when he makes a funny joke about But that is a superpower. You really see how powerful that is. Because you, if somebody's like funny like that, an affable in his own kind of like eccentric way, even though you're getting all the fucked up signs of like, no, no, no, you could almost just desperately out of some sense of desperation be like, ah, but he's funny. So, you know, he's like, guss kind of. And it's weird.

It is weird. It's magic. It's like there is to me from, I love to look at things through a magical lens, looking at what he's doing as a spell. Like he's casting these great spells, like these distortion spells. Apparently he was, I don't know if you heard this or not. Didn't, I'm not journalist, so I don't fact check. And I should because I talk too much.

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there was this whole manifestation movement, Ernest Holmes, a lot of people. And it was religious in nature. and essentially the idea is that what you say becomes reality. And so some people connect Trump like coming out and saying things are better. Things are great, not as like Orwellian propaganda, but as a ritualistic manifestation. He is saying the way he wants things to be because he believes that that's how things will become. And it fucking works is the other problem. That stuff actually works. And so that's the

confidence, yeah, to never back down. Never back down. Always say like you manifest your will into the world via like language and belief inside. He believes it too. And so, you know, when you're, even though you might be aware of the impending unemployment rate, it's going to happen because of AI, even though you might aware or of the potential AI bubble popping all together even though you might be aware of these fucking things instead of like you know you would expect a good leader to do balancing what you're saying with that you just fucking say uh you just say the dows at 5 000 the dows at 5 000 well did you see the apprentice the movie not his show no it's really fucking good because it shows i mean this is fascinating that he was in this bizarre church and it kind of like it it really

plays with his whole con artistry in the way that he does dictate the narrative and it just becomes doctrine. Yeah. But what's also interesting is like it shows the apprentice, it's like his early life. And it shows how he was totally under the tutelage of Roy Cohen, the guy who basically sentenced like the Rosenbergs to death. And this guy, that whole mantra was like never fucking back. You lie, lie, lie, and you never admit defeat. You just always. say that you were right. And Donald Trump was just kind of this empty vessel and just basically

adopted this guy's whole persona but it showed him just how to be like that. And it was, it's so fascinating. It also shows how he raped Ivanka. What? I'm sorry, Ivana. Sorry, let's. It showed that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, because she talks

about that in her book. Gross. Yeah. That's, that's, that. And it was like transactional. He like bought her for like $100,000. Jesus fucking Christ. I mean, see, this is the problem here. And I think we need to refocus. And I think you're really good at doing that.

The problem here is that when you start looking into things, God help you. And you start realizing that all the things you were, that you thought you should discount, all the things that you hear it. You know, that's not true. I'm not going to even a fucking look that. take another bon grip, you conspiracy dip shit. That didn't happen. When you start digging in and you realize, oh my God, oh my God. There appears to be an alternate reality happening within the imperial core.

There is the sort of like default reality we all kind of hang out in. And then right outside of that, there is an entire other reality. It's the Roman fucking empire. It's fucking Caligula. It is, nothing's changed. We might as well be in a time warp. We might as well, it's like what Philip K. Dick said. We're still at the time of Christ's crucifixion.

The Roman Empire is here. A time warp happening. And we're all stuck there. But when you see what's happening, this is just the crazy shit you hear about the Roman Empire was doing. Fucking vomatoriums. You know, like cutting people's belly open so the wine pours out. And, you know, you're like, well, we're past. That's savagery.

then you read the fucking Epstein emails then you hear what you just said and it's like no actually no or not the Roman Empire just figured out how to hide the fun stuff from the low level citizens

and that's it and one thing that's interesting with this movie is it's like if we can't get behind clean water clean air right like just let's get down to the fucking basics none of this is political nor should it be like I don't know why the environment

I don't know why sustain ability has become, like to your point about climate change, even if you do not believe that climate change is real, you know that burning coal and just like fossil fuels extracting that out of the Arctic, that's not good for the environment, right? Like, take away whatever the greenhouse effect is. Just, you could see the black plumes of fucking methane gas coming out of like these AI data centers. Like, you know that that's bad, right? Can't we get behind regulating this kind of runaway train of the billionaires putting out this shit. That's what I can't wrap my mind around.

Right. Why is this partisan? Why is this political? Okay. Well, this is something that's, to me, when it comes to the environmentalism, what's interesting in environmentalism, though I'm sure, like, you know, there's, like, books out there that I just haven't heard of yet. But more often than not, a disconnect happens between human beings as being part of.

of the environment as much as anything else. We're part of the biome. And our consciousness is part of the biome. Our thought patterns are part of the biome. And so we're obvious, I mean, this seems so fucking obvious, but it seems to be left out, which is like, we are also the Earth. Right.

But we're the Earth making a sort of set of decisions that might be fine for one person, but when it's the whole global population doing it, of course it's going to create unprecedented destruction. I mean, we drop nuclear bombs on cities. We did that. We have nuclear weapons that we, at the state of the union, this motherfucker, like,

casually kind of talked about that. Like, it's a good thing, even though that's the end of the fucking world. And so I guess what I'm trying to say is there is no difference between the presidents, the military, the people, and the environment. It is the environment. We're looking at holistic across the board, I don't want to call it a malfunction, but a kind of just like, it's all melting down.

I guess it's melting down in our heads. It is a malfunction. It's melting down out of our fucking heads. It's literally, you want to talk about global warming and put it in a psychological sense, people are getting heated up. People are mad now. are angry across the board. We're heating up. Like, it's all the same. And so to me, it's like,

fuck, okay, the answer's got to be some kind of consciousness shift. Like, it's like, that, that's got to be the only hope is that. You know, if we don't get people to like reframe what's important. Yeah. I mean, they've, they've put us into these camps and that's what's really unfortunate because they've done a very good job of rerouting and reorienting our anger and channeling that into each other. Conservatives, MAGA, trans people, immigrants, all of this is a distraction from the fact that billionaires are stealing every last drop of clean water to feed these data centers. That is, they're poisoning all of our, they're toxifying our food and our air and they are paying no taxes. Palantir, I mean, you want to talk about people who are just

sociopathically making jokes. Alex Carp is talking about how people need to fucking die and heads need to be chopped off. I mean, these people are so. I saw Peter Thiel's Antichrist talk. Oh, you saw it in person. I saw it in person. How was that? Oh, did you feel the energy rating enough of them? No, no, no. And like, no. Talk about the Antichrist. Also, before I go out, like, I just want to say something I'm moderately proud of is that over the course of my podcasting career, I've been attacked by the right and the left viciously attacked. And it's an amazing thing to like, I feel like I must be doing my job because across the board at some point, some political ideology gets pissed at me.

And so the, so I went to see Peter Thiel give his talk. And because like everybody else I had heard, this is like some. dark tech warlock and he's gonna be evil it's gonna be evil and so and I was dude when I got the him I'm like fuck yeah I gotta see this I've never been like you know how often you're on legitimately like evil people and then as it turns out at least and again this is obviously an hour and 20 minute talk so it's not like I can like other like we can look into like Palantir and sort of from that, like, extrapolate where the people are who, like, created Ballantier. But in this moment of watching him, just a tech bro, that's all I got.

He's just a tech bro. Reminds me of any other tech bros that I've met, just, like, you know, similar, I guess, in a way to, like, Trump or anybody else. There's a something, you know, because of the people he's, like, been engaged with, there is a sense of like probably your ability to connect with most people is you're not able to do that because of the strange friends you must have right i mean look at the fucking epstein like he's in it with thousands and thousands of fucking times but what god i wish i could have brought you that you would have loved it and it so but rarely would you sit in front of someone and

be like you're emanating evil i mean dude that's how that's how dumb that's how dumb i am that's why i'm not a journalist because I legitimately thought like you would have been like you know what you're a good guy let's go grab a beer I thought they're going to do the input oh I'm so susceptible with the propaganda so that so you're just a misunderstood autistic guy you're sig heiling all over the place but you just have autism but what was fascinating about the talk which you would have found really interesting is that it's like what happens when a tech oligarch gets into christian Christianity reads the book of Revelation, the eschatological Christian prophecy for how the world ends. What happens when a tech pro reads that? And you know what happens? They're like, I think we can patch the book of Revelations.

That's what I got. It's like a six-talk series. That's what I gathered. Wow. Was that he was like somehow like walking this line between a literalist interpretation of the book of Revelations mixed in with that. kind of weird Silicon Valley like we can fix it we fix anything we're gonna live forever we can do anything yeah yeah yeah okay okay how do we stop the antichrist from coming okay well let's look at like here might be some moves we could make to at least forestall the arrival of the antichrist it was wild right it was joe joseph heller catch 22 level absurdity where you're just sort of watching it scratching your chin and so but i think if we just what you're pointing out here which we all know

maybe not everyone does know this, but we're all people. We're people. And there are fundamental realities that everyone around the globe contends with. You know, we want food. We want shelter. We want to feel safe. Safety for our kids. We want to be happy.

This is how it works. All the other stuff, didn't you get these layers of ideology on top of that? The ideology is informed by propaganda of one kind or another. And somewhere along the line, there's them. a me. There's the, you know, I look at Trump and I'm like, that's not me. I look at like the fucking oligarchs. I'm like, I just don't get it, man. Like, like you seem like aliens to me. So what I've done in that moment is I've divided. Now there's a tech, an oligarchy, the military industrial complex, and me, right? And it's true. On one level, it's fucking true. But they're doing

that to us. Yeah. And we're doing it to each other. Now there's, oh, you must be a maga person. You fascist piece of shit. Oh, you must be a fucking. leftist commie piece of shit you fuck a piece of shit and then you know what i mean now instead of dealing with what you're talking about class yes yes yes yes nobody wants to go there no one wants to talk about it nobody wants to talk about it because the moment you start talking about it they're like carl marks over here it's like dude no this is how this is how it works well you look at something like covid which was such a culture war you know i i never took a strong position on anything because I was like, I understand why everyone is so militant in their own lanes.

I totally understand everyone's viewpoint. The problem was, as everyone was fighting, billionaires tripled their wealth. They fucking cannibalized this country. Yeah. All the small businesses shut down and they fucking ate it up. Yep. Every store, every tiny business that, like, defined my childhood in Berkeley, everything was gone. Gone.

Gone. And I look at their wealth. I'm like, wait a minute. When did Elon Musk almost become a trillion? Like, what the fuck happened? Yeah. You know, and here we are still trying to adapt to like the socialization of that fucking trauma. Yeah.

I love that you keep going back to that. I love that you keep going back to that. I think that is a fantastic diagnosis. You know, sometimes I feel like you need to simplify, you know, because especially when anything you say publicly or anything anyone says of note will instantaneously. be echoed, warped, transformed, you know, either like the light will be, they'll shine a light on it making it seem like, you know, distortions in its own right, or it'll like it, the point is by the time it like filters through default reality, it's a meaningless thing, even though it might have

had some meaning. So we have to simplify here. Yeah. And that, to me, that thing is it. It's a grief response in a culture that doesn't understand they're going to die. That's what we're looking at here. It's a grief response. Everyone's having grief. And go ahead and say, precious little snowflake. No, if you've ever been through grief, fuck, you go nuts. And it's not like anything else.

And no one prepared you for it. And I think that's what we're all dealing with. Some kind of collective unacknowled, which is the most dangerous kind of grief, unacknowledged grief and because of that we've all gone fucking nuts and I can someone who's like

lost his mom to fucking cancer has one ball and my fucking dad died of COPD I know a little bit about fucking grief and dude

I didn't want to acknowledge I didn't want to go to therapy I wanted to snort catamine until it went away didn't work but but I

so your analysis I think is dead on it's a cultural grief reaction to do an unprecedented level of change Yes. And nobody seems to realize that's what's cooking under there.

And the thing about this movie, Duncan, is that it is a time capsule of the Biden administration. This is the status quo that has been brow beaten into us, that this is good. Right. This is normal. Yeah. This is justified. Yeah. This is fucking death.

Death. This is death. Death. This is what the neol liberals have told us is like what we should fight for. Right. and preserved. That was weird. Wasn't that weird?

Yeah. When all of a sudden, like, the liberals were, like, somehow, like, they were seemingly for a war. That was where I got really confused because, like, I always assumed that we... The oil dragon needs to be fed. The oil dragon must be fed. Yes. Yes, it's not the oil dragon is bad. It's who controls the oil dragon.

That's what it is. Don't get rid of the oil dragon. It's a good dragon with a bad master. Well, like, this guy in the movie is like, I ask him, I'm like, well, what do you think about these alternative energy sources? Because you see the Pentagon trying to mitigate their propaganda and reframe it because they see the writing on the wall. They're not climate change deniers. They are all trying to militarize and securitize the bases. They know that climate change is a national security issue.

So they're acting accordingly. But of course, forward facing their denial, pretending like it's some sort of like scam. But I've had generals in this movie admit to me, like, this is a fucking pipe dream. We need oil. Whoa. Was that like a... Is there a thunderstorm? The oil dragon cast?

That's the oil dragons out there. Did someone say oil? And then you see, I'm at this panel called superiority over the Arctic or whatever. And it's these commanders who are just like, we want corporations to come an experiment. It is an open invitation to come an experiment in the Arctic. Fine. It becomes like a hive mind of just collective insanity. Right.

Because to your point, these are human beings. We're not, I'm not, this isn't Peter Thiel. This is just a fucking general. Right. Like, yeah. He has kids. He's not going to live in Mark Zuckerberg's seed vault in Maui. Like, what the fuck are you thinking, man?

Right. Right. You know that corporations that are going to perpetuate the collapse of the Arctic is going to just continue to catalyze like the worst effects of climate change. Like, what are you talking about? Right. Yeah. I mean, I, like, this is where.

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Into like Rom Dost territory where he's like, the best thing you can do is work on yourself so you can help the people around you. I know that could easily be misconstrued as a, what I, well, you inspire me because you're like, no, fuck this. Fuck this. I'm not going to go fucking meditate the oil dragon away. I'm going to, I'm going to get this information out there and you're passionate and it's inspiring. these days but I do feel like if not everyone can handle the data that you are connected to and you could easily go like nilist from looking at how big the oil dragon is and just think you're not stopping that dragon I'm just going to do the best I can fucking

check out whenever I check out and that's just the way it is so To me, it's like if we're part of the environment, we have to look at like, okay, where's the, where is that in me? Where's the Donald Trump in me? Where's the oligarch in me? Where's the fucking Epstein in me? Where is, like, understand what part of you, if given that level of cash, might actually do some of the shit you are like wagging your finger at. Maybe you don't have that in you at all. But, you know, honestly, I don't know.

I don't know. Because I've never had a billion dollars. I don't know what that's like. And which is why real quickly, go to my Kickstarter. I want to do an experiment to see what happens if I have a billion dollars. Let's see. Just for fun. But do you know what I mean?

Like, if we keep, even though I'm not saying these people aren't monstrous, But if we keep doing that, it's just violence and chaos and like, how do you find compassion for the worst of worst? I can't do it. Yeah. That's what's really sucks. I'm saying this. It's like, it's very hard for me to do that. But I feel like that's got to be the move because as above so below, we got to, we, it's classism and it's the environment.

And these are the primary things. Probably not disconnected that we have to focus. system benefits and rewards the worst traits of humanity. So I think that capitalism in its current form, it is breeding sociopathie at the top, the most corrupt motherfuckers and sadists. I mean, so when you have that kind of reward system, it totally makes sense that these are the people who are controlling society, the people who have no fucking capacity for empathy for the understanding of the environmental impact and degradation of their policies.

And you see someone like Trump being like, we're going to go after Cuba. Venezuela, Iran, it doesn't matter the consequences. The problem is, to your point, relating to each other on a human level that we are around, our friends, our families, our colleagues, I used to be very self-righteous and very, like, angry. Yeah. And I go through, I oscillate, you know, you saw the good takes. I fucking cry and get pissed a lot because I'm a human being, and I have to process all of the crazy shit that is being thrown at us, but I also have to have humility and empathy of where people are at because we are all victims of propaganda. So active duty, soldiers, veterans coming to them and relating to them on a human fucking level.

Why did you join the military? Why do you want to join the military? Right. What's going on in your life? Right. We are all part of this. And that is what I am realizing more and more. And I'm actually very...

We are the royal dragon. We are. But the thing is everyone can agree on those fundamentals that we talked about earlier. It's just that everyone gets distracted with who we're directing our energy toward. And the thing is we all are fatigued with, we're over

at work to the bone, dude. Yeah. You know, our parents, they were able to, my mom didn't have a job. She was a stay-at-home mom. We were a middle-clouse household. They owned a home. Like, to even engage in activism or engage in these subject matters, it is so difficult. Right. Because we're just trying to live. And so that's where people like me

come in, were so inundated with bad information. I try to synthesize and try to reclaim a reality that is meaningful, that matters, that empowers you. Because there's a reason why the richest people in the world are trying to obfuscate us from these bare truths that are right in front of our faces, but never acknowledge that we live in a global military empire that's subjugating the planet at the barrel of a nuclear armed gun. It doesn't need to be this way. Yeah. We don't have to live like this. Yeah. Yeah, we don't have to live like this. We don't have to be this way. We can have creativity and ingenuity. about imagining something different.

We've all succumb to the dark. We don't need to succumb to the darkness. Right. Don't. And when you say, how do we, how do I like keep my resolve and stuff? It's like I don't, I don't succumb to the darkness. And also, I look at my kids and you know this too. You have fucking four kids.

It's like the unbridled joy and optimism from a child's imagination to be like, why are things the way they are? Yeah. Well, son, a bunch of parasitic fucking. billionaires wanted another yacht and so that's why we have to step over bodies in the street. Like these people can't have homes. It's like my son is just like this isn't okay. Like he carries around a little bag of change with him and he's like, I want to give this to them because I want them to have help. And I'm like, holy shit. This is, we are so conditioned

to normalize horrific things around us. Right. There's some psychological, it's easier. It's easier. It's easier. It's easier to go to numb out, numb down. And so there is something really amazing about like the beauty, like I live in Portland, Oregon in this beautiful enchanted forest and the love of nature is like my religion. And to see my kids like just running fucking free and frolicing around in the woods. And I'm like, this is what we fight for. We fight to preserve what's left, the beauty, the love. That's what I want, you know.

Yeah, yeah. I feel it. It's inspiring. It really is. Like, I think if anybody is going to get people like me to like, wait, sorry, hold on one second. Is that me? Is that my like notice? Like, we're out of time. Well, it's Peter, it's Peter Thiel. You know, Josh, delete the last 30 minutes. Hold on. Let me turn this off. It's actually, it's funny because it's, it's Aaron, my wife texting both of us. Yeah, I think that the work you're doing, like, you know, whenever I'm, like, because, you know, again, like, we do hear versions of this thing that you're illuminating. Yeah. For some reason, you really have a way of, like, I don't know, like, I think if Abby spent all this time working on this fucking thing, I think maybe there is something. that could be done.

And that it doesn't have to just be, you know, and regardless of where you stand, you fucking MAGA people out there, regardless of where you stand on, like, ice, you got to really push back against warning the military in the streets. And we don't want that because, dude, the midterms are going to be a fucking slaughter. And, like, the pendulum in America swings. Like, the dragon master changes and the dragon masters. POV might not align with yours. And if the Dragon Master has made it normal to have troops in the street because of immigration

policy, the Dragon Master might decide to have troops in the street for other shit that you don't like. And then what? So we own the libs. Like that's, I mean, it's fucking real. Bingo. And people got to understand that. There should be a universal, universal rejection of the military in the streets of America or

mass agents doing shit. And by the way, the mass agents, they weren't fucking, the people who have died have been Americans. They're killing fucking Americans in the streets, man. And look at the erosion of the First Amendment. I mean, the fact that I have to worry now about talking about these things. I mean, you said, obviously, I have the freedom to do so. And at this point, I do. But we see people who are just here on work visas, who are just writing opeds about Palestine, getting deported.

It's very scary to see basically policing our thoughts. lots and speech now. And I don't know where that's going to go, especially the criticism of Israel. It's not going to go great. No. And this is the inevitability, the whole militarization and the military surplus buildup that's being poured in with the MRAPs and the LRADs to like local police forces. This is the inevitability of feeding the oil dragon because you need to continue to expand. You need to continue building. Why did the military budget continue to go up even when we withdrew from Afghanistan? It's like it can, it's a for-profit corporation. Right. That's how it operates. And so you're going to inevitably have all of the surplus military equipment because

they need the next gen. They need to blow up all the equipment on site, all of the bombs and bullets on site so they can get more next year. Otherwise, they're not meeting the profit quotas. You got to burn the bullets. Like, guys, we got to start shooting people. And then create cancer for all the local, all the soldiers who are there sitting next to these fucking munitions that are being exploded daily because they have to continue to get that amount. And all of the equipment is then given to either the Taliban, ISIS, or the police forces here. And that works great because if you give the military equipment to your enemies, then the oil dragon will have a reason to go in again.

Oh my God. It's so diminutive, Abby. It's so diminutive. It's like, but it's good. I mean, honestly, if you don't get a clear picture of what's going down, how are you going to do anything about it? Like if you don't at least have some big picture view, and this is what your movie, your film, your documentary is.

And it's like just wild. I just, it's wild. It's kind of like what you do. You zoom out. You're a ROM dot. Like you are very into zooming out and looking at like the world with like a bird's eye. Yeah. And so am I.

And for me, it's it's very clarifying and empowering. I want to see things the way they are. I don't want rose colored glasses. I want to fucking be crystal clear, baby. Yeah. What is it? What are we looking at here? That's it. Don't lie to me. Don't gaslight me.

That's it. That's it. This is one of the root causes in Buddhism. One of the root causes of suffering is ignorance. And so, and that means active, not dumb. It means actively ignoring things. And so I think if we were to sort of analyze the culture right now, that seems to be the predominant poison in the culture right now is varying degrees of actively ignoring, for ostensibly for one's insanity. or just to not feel anxious all the fucking time or for fear of being like sucked into some embarrassing movement or something or being hoodwinked again. Because that's another problem is people use people's anxiety to recruit. Yeah.

Like and so ignorance, actively ignoring and you are not actively ignoring. And you are, by the way, not to wrap this podcast up on a dark note, but we're cooked. Look, you're cooked. You're cooked. I don't think we are. No, I don't mean like, I mean, like, I mean, I mean, okay, what I mean is this. Hey Ontario, come on down to BetMGM casino and check out our newest exclusive.

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They've gotten all of our data. And sure, maybe some of it's encrypted or whatever. And they've got it. And I don't know where they're storing it. Some underground, oily fucking reptilian subterranean deep underground military bunker with all the phone calls. Ivy. It's in his Ivy. His Ivy is made of phone calls to your grandmother.

But, you know, the problem with all this data that they've collected on all of us is it's too much. I mean, just imagine suctioning up every American phone call every single fucking day. Like if you look up at how many terabytes of information, you. gets pushed through the internet every single day. That's a lot of data, a lot of data storage. But also, how are you going to go through all of it? Well, now we have AI. So an AI could easily, easily go through all the data and grab anything they want, anybody

they want, whenever they fucking want it. And people like you, you probably, you, I bet the Ivy, your Ivy covers like a big part of Peter Thiel's fault. Data Ivy. It's so fucked up. But, and so from that perspective, we look at what's happening in the CCP, the AI facial recognition, super fucking surveillance where it knows everyone's name walking down the street. Then you look at the what's happening with the, what are they called net flock, the flock cameras everywhere. Yeah, and the ring doorbells and shit and the meta glasses.

And we, you know, all this data is going through some server and guaranteed is getting. suction up into whatever the fuck Palantir is or whatever versions of that that we don't even know about exist, meaning that any of us who have expressed views against the oil dragon, uh, once the, if you look at each presidential regime, not as, okay, now we're going to do it better or we're going to fix it, but as consecutive phases of a, long process that inevitably takes away rights and gets people more accustomed to the destruction of the oil dragon, then somewhere down the line, that surveillance technology could easily be used to justify arresting you.

100%. The retroactive case, yeah. That's why I say you're cooked, and I'm cooked, and Josh is super cooked. I mean, there's so much to say. I mean, first of all, when the Snowden leaks came out, it was this mantra of, like, the government's spying is horrific and bad and all-encompassing, but Google no evil. Google, good. And I was like, wait a minute, looking back on it, I'm like, we got fucked. All of us were like, okay, government spying bad, but Google would never do that. Good, no evil. And then all of a sudden you see the virtue

signaling is completely dropped off the map and everything's folded into the infrastructure of ice, Gaza, and the surveillance state. I think that we are at a precipice of unprecedented crises, the environmental catastrophes that we're facing down, as well as this kind of high technological overlap with just general barbarism. I mean, really just unrelenting, just naked colonialism back to this kind of like, we're going to fucking just take your shit and you can't do shit and we're putting a nuclear arm gun to your head to do it. And that level of impunity wrapped with that technological, like high tech war machine is something that's very very, very, insane and it's really easy to just be like we are fucking cooked to the max however there's also an

unprecedented thing like I said before the Halloween out of neoliberalism the fact that people are now aware that that is an empty vessel that there's no avenue to provide for people there's no answers and that and so I think that I've seen a consciousness shift that you are talking about I have seen sustained action tens of millions of people around the world with this international framework and lens that we're discussing right now for the first time in my fucking life. I was in the streets during the Iraq war. I was in the streets during Occupy. This is very different. There's a moment where people are realizing the stakes, especially young kids who are like, I don't have a future. Right. I am in all in. Right. There's no evading this. And so I am seeing something that is

absolutely beautiful, which is like a burgeoning explosion. Right. Of ideas, creativity, consciousness. Yeah. And people are realizing we cannot just passively post. Like, we're not going to fucking post our way out of this. Oh, God. We have to get together and be creative. And we have to figure out how are we going to be, like have collective agency. I mean, for example, the richest men in the world, see what you see, don't be duped.

Every day, I am paralyzed by the inundation of bad news. We find out the worst shit in the world happening within instance. What we don't see is the good things, divestment campaigns from. weapons contractors across the country. I don't even know what that is. Literally, so many college campuses are sponsored by Boeing, by Lockheed Martin, their engineering departments, etc. Kids across the country have divested.

So they've removed the investments. They have lobbied the campuses to do successful divestment campaigns. I was just in the Rust Belt all across Ohio, Wisconsin. Every city council has like DSA people taking over city council, pro-pouse. Palestine people taking of a city council. In Portland, I have, we have three DSA people who are like sitting on city council doing incredible things, like trying to pass like just incredible measures that I'm like, wait, if we focus on hyper local efforts while having that international framework, while not getting completely paralyzed by the federal election cycle, what Trump is doing on a

day to day to do basis to assault all of us, there are incredible fucking things happening. We'll have to do another podcast. The citizeners got shut down last year. I don't like the DSA. I don't like the DSA. I don't like them either. I don't, and I'll tell you why. It's a, to me, this is, see, this is probably where we, that diverse. Tell me. Hold on before you start posting. Hold on. To me, what I see there is just another version of the same fucking thing.

It's this fantasy of the state being able to save you. It's like, you know, the DSA to me seems like it's just another, it's like a, it's just another scale of the fucking thing. fucking oil dragon Abby. I see it as, and again, listen, maybe I'm probably wrong. I'm wrong about a lot of shit. But to me, what I see there is just, it's going to be the same thing with it.

It's going to be a prettier scale. You mean just electoral, like just a whole electoralism? Yes. And also, because, you know, the way the state functions is, it's like there's, yeah, I'm sure you've read, you've read David Graber. Right. So it's like, behind.

every form you have to fill out, there's someone with a gun who will kill you if you don't, you know, government forms. Eventually, if you don't fill out the forms in the right way, there's a sum, your probability of being shot begins to like slowly increase. No, I hear you. So when I see. Electoralism is a dead end in this system. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's perpetuating the bipartisan status quo of just military empire. No, I hear what you're saying. Josh, take, take that timestamp so I can memorize what she just said. that's why we need some sort of block outside of electoral politics to force the hand of power otherwise that's why they've that's why they co-opted labor i mean they really they've been working hard man they've been working hard and that's why we got to get back to the basics and you've been working hard too clean air abby martin everybody give me a fucking break where can people watch your dog where can we yeah yeah that you'd never ask that you'd never ask that you'd never

I should ask up front. Earth's greatest enemy.com. And Earth's greatest enemy, no, we're not talking about soldiers. We're not talking about people in the military. We're talking about the fucking, we're talking about the oil dragon, baby. The insatiable thirst. From the oil dragon, we have to stop it. We have to curb that thirst.

We have to minimize that oil dragon. We're not talking about not having a military. We're talking about not having a military empire. We need to decommission. the scale and scope of the military empire and that idea that if we weren't an empire China or Russia would be it's a pipe dream used to justify our atrocities and subjugation of the planet we need to start thinking of things in a different way we need to start envisioning the planet in a different way and looking at each other with empathy and humility because none of us

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