Duncan Trussell Family Hour - 744: Danny Sheehan

Episode Date: March 23, 2026

Daniel P. Sheehan, an absolute legend of an attorney who worked on the Pentagon papers, Watergate, and is currently leading the charge on disclosure, joins the DTFH!Listen to Danny's podcast, Full Disclosure, available everywhere you find podcasts! And you can learn more about Danny on his website, DanielPSheehan.com.Colorado family! Duncan is coming to Denver ComedyWorks Downtown, March 26-28. Click here to get your tickets now!Check out the DTFH night streams! Only available to our youtube subscribers. Click here to see what you're missing!This episode is brought to you by: Get 10% off your first month of BlueChew Gold with code DUNCAN. Visit BlueChew.com for more details and important safety information, and we thank BlueChew for sponsoring the podcast. Secure your online data TODAY by visiting ExpressVPN.com/Duncan and get an extra FOUR MONTHS of VPN coverage when you sign up! Go to Quince.com/Duncan for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns!

Hi guys, it's good to see you again. Boy, we have an incredible episode for you today. This is probably one of my top three favorite conversations I've had on this podcast. Danny Sheehan is a legend. Not only is he one of the people behind the Pentagon papers, not only is he a lawyer that worked on Watergate, somebody who sat in front of the Supreme Court, but he is leading the charge when it comes.

to disclosure. And he is just an incredible person. Almost, I'm sorry if you're watching this, Mr. Sheehan, but almost like a saint or something. I don't know how to put it. Just his vibe was so real. And, man, he connected some dots for us today that, honestly, I'm glad he connected him, but in the moment when it was happening, it was really one of the most chilling experiences

I've ever had in a conversation. I just never heard such an articulate breakdown of the shadowy deep state than what you're about to hear today. But first, I got to plug my shows. I'm going to be at the Denver Comedy Works. That's coming right up. If you're watching this on March 22nd,

I'm going to be there this weekend. The Comedy Works is one of the first. of the best clubs in the world. And I hope that you will come out and see me. That's the Denver Comedy Works March 22nd, I'm sorry, March 26th through the 28th. And then take a little break and I'm going to be at Zanies in Rosemont, April 9th through the 11th. Lots of other dates, Bricktown and Tulsa's coming up. We got Common His Own and Jackson. Jacksonville coming up. You can find all my dates at duncan trussle.com or just theoretically, they're on the screen right now. All right, everybody, get ready. Today's episode is probably going to

blow your mind. And if you want more, Danny Sheehan, subscribe to his podcast. You can find it on Spotify. It's called Full Disclosure, and it's on Spector Vision Radio. All right, everybody, get ready for this incredible episode with Danny Sheehan. Mr. Sheehan. Yeah. It is... You call me Danny. Thank you, Danny.

That's funny. It is so great to meet you. And you're a legend, and you have done truly great work in the world. Your work, I think, is dangerous, as dangerous can be. But for my first question, you've been steeped in the reality that the, the government covers shit up lies all the time and we'll go to great lengths to keep people from exposing their lies that's true recently it feels like something is happening in the public consciousness where without having worked on the pentagon papers without having been in the depths

in the depths deep deep depths of things there feels like there's a growing sense of mistrust for the leadership. And I'm curious what your thoughts are on that. Since you have been living in that reality for most of your life, what do you think is going to happen to us when whatever the tenuous thread is that connects us with our leaders breaks? It's really interesting. I mean, because I must say, in all humility, we've had some role in this

in getting people to not just blindly trust the government. You know, I mean, one of the very first things you learn in, like, I had Larry Tribe for constitutional law at Harvard Law School. And one of the first things you learn as a constitutional attorney is don't trust the government. Yeah. You know, and because they depend upon it. They always depend upon a person assuming the government is telling you truth,

assuming that the law enforcement people are telling the truth, and it's a major hurdle you have to get over. And the kind of litigation that we were involved in, I've been involved in since I was one of the co-founders, the two co-founders of the Harvard Civil Rights Law Review. And that we were trying to get people to understand, start out by not trusting them, okay? And then you can work your way back,

let them earn the thing, show that they're performing their duties correctly, et cetera. And as the years went on, and we participated in breaking more and more of these cases. Yeah. You started out with the Boston Police Department. The first one I ever filed the lawsuit against that, you know, they were actually, every single time there was a report of a black, young black man,

like robbing a drugstore somewhere in Boston. The Boston police were put out an L-Point's bulletin, an APB, for a young black man, you know, somewhere between the ages of 16 and 40, you know, somewhere between 5 feet 5 and 6 feet tall. You know, and then what they would do is the Boston police because they hated the Black Panther newspaper. What they would do is they would go around and arrest every one of the young black men that was selling the Panther newspaper on the corner, right? And then they would hold them and put them in lineups for the whole 48 hours. before they had to have them officially arraigned and hoping they'd get mistakenly identified for some other random crime, right? And then when it got to be the end of the 40 hours, they would let them go.

So they didn't have to arraign them, right? And they would always have lost all of their papers that they impounded when they arrested them. So they had this practice going, right? So I got contacted over the Harvard Civil Rights Law Review by a young lawyer named John Flim, his name was. he contacted us to help him figure out what to do about it. And so we filed the action in the federal district court to get an injunction, a declaratory judgment, an injunction against the police department doing it. And we won that, right?

But we established clearly that that's what they were doing. So, you know, the people, quote, distrusting the police department. Well, sure, you know, because they were doing that kind of stuff. And then it just continued from there because the very next case I got to do was during the riots that broke out around the murder of Dr. Martin Luther King, April of 68, right? And riots went on all over the country. And there was a riot going on up in New Bedford, Massachusetts, outside of Boston. And the white mayor put out a shoot-on-site order to the police of anybody looting during the riot, right? Right. And so the Black Panther Party, be that as it was, there in New Bedford, you know,

actually blockaded the two major streets going into the ghetto to keep the people, keep the cops out of there from shooting people, right? Yeah. And they set up a big barricade on the two streets and then got guns and manned these barricades. And so the police all came in. They had the sharpshooters out there, you know, the helicopters everywhere. And the Black Panther guys were holding them off to keep them out. in the local NBC television station

sent a team, a camera crew team to go out to interview the people, the Panthers that were manning this thing to find out why they were doing this, right? Yeah. And so every time they would get out the cameras and try to go over to interview them, the Black Panther guys would go,

fuck you, you know, kiss my ass honking. You know, and they couldn't put it on the news. Wow. And so finally, after like 40 hours, of this have been going on. The Black Panthers reached out to this young guy, Pappas, Paul Pappas, his name was, who was the local NBC reporter.

And they said, here, here's the deal. If you will agree to get your station, your NBC station, to broadcast an interview of the head of the Panther Party here, explaining why we had to do this, then we'll allow you to come in and interview anybody you want. Right.

Because we're anticipating. a raid on our headquarters tomorrow morning by the police, and we'll let you come in. If you'll do this thing, and then we'll let you come in and interview anybody you want, and if, in fact, there's the raid that we're anticipating, you can use any of the footage you want. But if there isn't, you'd have to keep it confidential

as just a background interview. Okay, so the guy goes back to his editors and says, here's the deal. We got this deal. we get an exclusive interview of this guy if we'll put it on the air on the 6 o'clock news and so they did it so they go in they interview them they put it on the 6 o'clock news

so then they invite paupapa's and his film crew in for the whole night right and the guys the guys are all putting ammunition up on the windowsill doing all this and he's got his crew in there with him and they're interviewing these guys some of them are saying fuck you huggy but others are interviewing

because it comes the next morning and there's no raid so he packs up all the stuff and the footage and everything and he leaves and goes back to the station the raid came the next morning wow right and so that you know they drop one of these big satchel bombs down their chimney and they attack them and they arrest them and the the white district attorney uh demands a grand jury to set up a grand jury looking into the connection between the riots the cause of the riots and the local black panther party he's going to go after them right right first guy they subpoena is paupus

and they demand that he bring in all the outtakes of all of his interviews and all that stuff, right? Yeah. So Paul Pappas goes back to these editors and say, look at, you know, they've issued this subpoena to me. You know, I need you to protect me legally because we made this deal. Right. They would hold this stuff. And they call their local lawyers and lawyers go, no, we don't. They don't have any right to, you know, not have to give these evidence, you know,

that everybody has to give their evidence to a grand jury. And so Pappas says, well, wait a second. We made this agreement. So call your national NBC attorneys down in New York, the K-Hill Gordon firm, and get them to help. They called K. Hill Gordon down on Wall Street. And after hours or two of checking out, they said, no, there's no stretch right. You can't do that. You're going to have to give them all the stuff.

So Paul Pappas calls up the local head of the Black Panther Party. He said, look at, we're fucked here. You know, my legal attorneys won't protect us, you know? and so the head of the local panther, it says, oh, wait a second, just a few weeks ago, back in Boston, he said there was this young lawyer by the name of John Flynn, you know, got an injunction against the Black Panther, on behalf of the Black Panther Party against the Boston police, and they won. So you ought to call him. Maybe he'll help you.

So they called John Flynn. Well, you know, he didn't know, he didn't know how to do it. That's why we had to do it for him with the law review, right? So he sends them over to us. We put together the motion to get a protective order under the First Amendment. Yeah. Protecting your confidential news sources. And it goes all the way up to the United States Supreme Court.

Wow. So it went to the Supreme Court. It was the second case I ever did. It was up in front of the United States Supreme Court. Of course, I'm only a second year lawsuit. Good Lord. So it goes to the Supreme Court. So the Cahill firm down in New York City, who are the National Council for NBC,

call and say they'll take the case. Okay, it's up in front of the United States Supreme Court. This is worth millions for briefing and lawyering and all that stuff. And Pappas says no. Pappas says no. He doesn't trust them. He said, why should I have you represent me? You didn't even believe there was a jury.

So he says, I want this John Flynn kid from Boston to do it. Well, Flim says, look, it wasn't me. He says, it was the kids over at the Harvard Supervisor. smile to you. So they come up from Cahill and interview me as a second year law student at Harvard to agree to join their firm, you know, when I graduate. And so that's how I ended up going to the Cahill firm. That is wild, man. Okay. So I ended up getting to go to that. You know, and it was clear that this district attorney, no one should have trusted what he was doing. Right. He was just harassing them. Yeah. The panther. And so I ended up at the Cahill firm, in addition to helping to write the briefs on

behalf of NBC in front of the United States Supreme Court, I'm also writing the amicus briefs for ABC and CBS. What's an amicus brief? It's a friend of the court. There's other parties who have interests. If you're at the Supreme Court level, and they have an interest in the same legal issue, what they'll do as assistance to the court, they'll brief it for them. So I got to write basically not only the briefs for NBC, but also for CBS and ABC.

and for the New York Times who also wanted to file an MNMBCM and the Washington Post. So I got to meet all their legal counsel. Yes. Because they were saying, here's this kid from the Harvard Civil Rights Law Review. He's writing these briefs. So I got to meet them.

And so the bottom line is that when the New York Times got the Pentagon Papers, the law firm for the New York Times that was, what's it, I'm trying to remember, which one of us. But the Lord Day and Lord. Lord Day and Lord was their law firm, and they threatened

to turn them in if they didn't bring the papers back. If they didn't give the papers back, they were going to, their legal counsel, Lord, Day and Lord were going to turn in, you know, Punch Solisberger and Neil Sheehan and the other guys. And so the, the, the, uh, Jim Goodell, who was legal counsel, uh, and vice president of the New York Times. Yeah. Calls me because I knew him, right, from doing the other word for it. So that's how our firm got the Pentagon Papers case. And so I got to be one of the only people in the whole world has ever read all 47 volumes of the classified documents.

And so I got to see all about the drug smuggling and the assassination programs, the Phoenix program, all that stuff that they were doing, right? And I'm in my first year out of law school. So I ended up peculiarly establishing a practice that saw the worst of what the government it was doing all the time, you know. And so, so, and because I did, because I did the Pentagon Papers case, I got reached out to

by F. Lee Bailey when the Watergate Burglary took place because he was, he was going to be representing James McCord, who was the CIA wiretapping specialist that was caught inside the hotel with the burglars, right? And so, so Bailey calls me and asks me to come and join his firm. So I go there and do the, do the Watergate burglary case. And I get to, I get to, I get to have a, I've got an entire office of private investigators. We had a, we had a thing of 40 class A license investigators that worked for Moriarty and associates that Lee Bailey owned that private investigation firm. And so I got to work with them on the Watergate burglary and got to, basically my chief investigator interviewed Santos Traficanti, who was the guy who was the Don of the

mafia down in Havana. So crazy. And four of the people that were arrested in the Watergate Hotel were all Santos Traffacani gunman. And nobody realized that. I said, what the hell of these guys doing? What are Trafficati guys doing inside Watergate burglary, right? And so I got to do the investigation.

And I had the investigators that were in the firm, the Moriarty firm. They said, this is a great kid. This young kid here's in Lee Bailey's office. And he's really seriously going after what the hell is going? on in the Watergate burglary, not just trying to get their people off. So we got James McCord to write the letter to Judge Sir Ricka blowing the whistle on Richard Nixon and the White House plumbers. What's it feel like? I've got to ask, what in the world does it feel like to be standing at the precipice of what is one of the great historic events in our country. What does it feel like?

What is the experience of knowing you're about to unleash this shockwave that is going to it ripples through culture to this very day? Sure it does. Well, it was interesting that I was so fortunate. I was so fortunate to get a full scholarship to Harvard College. My father was the first Sheean man in their entire clan to even graduate from high school. Wow. Right? So I ended up getting this full boat scholarship to Harvard College. I had Henry Kissinger for foreign policy, you know, and had David Reisman for sociology.

All those guys, you know, John Kenneth Galbraith for economics, they were all there at the time. And so I said, oh, I am just blessed. I am blessed by the universe. Here I am. I have this extraordinary opportunity now to come. here and here's all these guys, you know, my roommates, like at Harvard College, like Bruce Corker, one of my roommates, Pasadena City High School, 1,200 kids in his class. He's number one in his class. He's in Allstate California halfback. His father went to Harvard College,

his grandfather went to Harvard College. And so here I am with all these guys all around me, and I'm saying, this is really fabulous. I said, you know, like I've died and gone to heaven. Yeah. And so what I, but I just said, I'm just going to do everything that I can possibly do to pay back the whole culture in my society for having blessed me like this. And so I had this kind of naive sense that I would just do the exact right thing, just like as if I was a good guy in a movie. Right. What would they do?

Right. You know? And so that's what I did. Wow. Every single time that I got near any of these cases. And so I started to develop this reputation, they say, if something really bizarre is happening, called the Sheean kid, you know, and getting it. him to come in to help us.

So I ended up, you know, getting recruited. I mean, because at Bailey's office and I actually found out what was going on in the Wargate Burglary, which, by the way, you know, was all about the Kennedy assassination. But it was. Wait, can you help us understand that? That's totally a long story. Okay. But I don't, you know, I'll give you the brief.

Give me the brief because I do want to, you know, I want to dive into that Alizondo stuff. I'd love to hear about that. I would love to hear about this connection. Okay, yeah. Bottom line, the reason that Richard Nixon ordered the White House plumbers who were made up of four of Santos Traficanti's gunmen and the wiretapping specials from the CIA to go into the Democratic National headquarters in the Watergate Hotel was because he was afraid that Larry O'Brien, who had just been made the new head of the Democratic National Committee, who had prior to that time for 20 years been the chief lobbyist in Washington, D.C. for Howard Hughes, the multi-billionaire. It turns out that Howard Hughes, back in 1960, when Richard Nixon was the vice president under Eisenhower,

Richard Nixon, his vice president, chaired the 54-12 committee of the National Security Council running covert operations. Yeah. And it turns out that Howard Hughes was a CIA secret NSA consultant. Did the Glomar Explorer, built the Glomar Explorer to pick up those of submarines, you know, did the big sparse goose that was the prototype for the C-5A transport. Did a lot of other major things for them, real top secret things. And so Richard Nixon is back in 1960 when he was vice president under Eisenhower. Now, the burglar is in 1972, right?

Okay, because he's getting set to run for his second term because he's won the 1968 election after Bobby was killed. Right. Right. And so he's getting said to do his second term. And so the burglary takes place in June 17th of 1972. He's running for his second term, right? But the bottom line is when he realized that what's his head had just become made head of the Democratic National Committee, Larry O'Brien, he said, holy shit.

He's saying, wait a second, he was the chief lobbyist for Howard Hughes. He may know that I'm the one that actually called Howard Hughes and had Howard Hughes set up the assassination team to kill Fidel Castro and Raul Castro. And it turns out, those are the people that killed the president. Wow. And if it ever comes out that I, back in 1960, you know, through Howard Hughes, set up the assassination team, which in fact killed the president.

Nobody's ever going to believe me that I didn't order that. And I'll lose the election. So that's why he sent them in. When you're saying this is you killed Kennedy, you are saying it with some real authority. But you're also saying that everybody knows this, which I don't think everybody knows this. But we got the interviews, Trave-Contin,

who's the one that set up the assassination team. Howard Hughes got his lawyer, Bob Mayhew. Why did Castro want to take out Kennedy? No, no, no. Castro wasn't going to take out Kennedy. You know, the team that was put together to assassinate Fidel Castro are the ones that killed the president. Oh, I'm so sorry.

Okay, wait, okay. Oh, yeah. Now, wait, but who is hiring that team? Howard Hughes, basically. Howard Hughes is, because Richard Nixon asked him to put together an assassination team to kill Fidel Castro. But no, I'm saying if these same people shot Kavanaughes, Kennedy? Yes.

Who told them to shoot Kennedy? Actually, it was Alan Dulles, who was the previous CIA director of the CIA. What's the reasoning behind that? Why did they want to take him out? Well, actually, the exact reason was that after the Cuban, not after the Cuban Missile Crisis in April of 61, but the Cuban Missile Crisis, right? The Cuban Missile Crisis of October of 1962 that we had, come so close to having a thermonuclear war at that time that both Khrushchev and John Kennedy

were totally traumatized by what had happened. And so they both, after the resolution, you know, on the 19th of October of 1962, and they stood down and Kennedy agreed that if they would take, if the, if Khrushchev would take the missiles out of Cuba, he would, Kennedy would take the missiles out of Turkey. that they had there. Bottom line is they settled that and they avoided the thermonuclear war, but they'd come to within almost two minutes of having total nuclear exchange. So the two of them were so traumatized. What they did is they opened up a completely secret line of communication with each other that they were exchanging 18 different letters back and forth. There was a guy

named Norman Cousins that was running the letters back and forth between the two of them. In the exchange of letters, John Kennedy, after the October missile crisis, going over into the beginning of 1963, that he and Khrushchev made an agreement that they were each going to exercise their respective authority as the chief executives of the U.S. and Russia to start ordering the disassembly of all the nuclear warheads. This episode of the DTFH has been supported by my dear friends at Blue And I do mean, dear friends. I don't know if you knew this about me, but I'm a max-level breeder. I have kids everywhere.

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And so what happened is on June 5th of 1963, John Kennedy contacts John McCone, who was the new head of the CIA because he'd fired Ellen Dulles over the Bay of Pigs thing. Right. So he reaches out to McCone and says, I want you because I've made the deal with, he didn't tell him why he wanted it, but he had made the deal with Khrushchev that both of them would disassemble.

and destroy the nuclear weapons, or the warheads, and to replace that whole economic stimulus in both countries of this massive spending on the nuclear weapons, they would have a joint space program, that the U.S. and the Soviet Union would have a major joint space program where they would join together as complete equal partners to go into outer space together. And so what Kennedy did on June 5th of 1963,

he contacted McCone, the new head of the CIA, and asked to be given all the information about U.S. foes and the existence of this extraterrestrial civilization because he knew about the Roswell recovery of the Roswell crash back in July of 1947 and so when he asked for those documents what happened is McCone goes to Bissell and the other guys to say look I want you to start gathering these things together that tipped them that something was up and they found out about the exchange of these letters that were going back and forth that nobody knew about when they realized what they were getting ready to do, they told Alan Dulles.

Now, Alan Dulles, the reason that Alan Dulles had been appointed to be the first civilian director of the Central Intelligence Agency is because he was legal counsel for Brown Brothers Harriman. Brown Brothers Harriman is this major private investment corporation where the top 20 robber baron families, you know, sit to have meetings every court to coordinate. Okay, and that's the Brown Brothers Haremont. I got you. And that's the base of the China lobby.

They're the ones that had decided back in 1924 after the end of the First World War, that what they were going to do is they were going to secretly fund the rise of Hitler in Germany as to be the bulwark against Bolshevism in Europe, and they were going to go westward and start to push out into the Pacific and take over and organize and exploit the resources of Asia. right and so and they knew because of the Korean war that they could not confront China in a traditional war because China as they showed it in Chan you know they put they can put a billion men into uniform yeah in a traditional war there's no way that the China lobby people could tolerate that

because they needed the nuclear weapons against them and so that when they found out that they were that Kennedy and Christoph were getting set to disassemble the nuclear weapons that Dulles, even though he'd been fired now as the head of the CIA, gave the green light to the same assassination team. Gotcha. That they had put together back in 1960. And that same team are the ones that killed them. You know, Raphael, Chi-Cic-Cintero, and Ricardo Chavez, Rolando Martinez,

you know, and those guys who were their 15. At least they had cool names. Yeah. That's who they were. But they're the ones that did it. Chichi. Yeah, Chichie-Cuntero. Now, let me, I just.

want to rewind the tape here. This is all just by way of saying why it is that I came to this kind of unique conclusion that the United States government should not in fact be trusted. And I had done one litigation after another to convince myself and others and then a larger and larger constituency in the country that the executive branch of our United States government couldn't really be trusted. Well, because what you're saying is it's compromised. And I just want to be clear about this. I'm not befuddling what you're saying. You know, there's different

names for it. Most recently they've called it the deep state or something. When they say the deep state, the implication is that the deep state is still the state. But what you're pointing towards here is no, no, no, no. That's right. This is more like some kind of invisible

monarchy. That's right. Well, it's a continuation of the royalists, you know, because these are the robber baron family. that rose to power back between the end of the American Civil War in 1868. By 1872, they had actually come up with this device of the private shareholder-owned private corporation that immunized all the people that owned the shares, right? And so that they could then direct the corporation to do anything they wanted to, you know.

And so they had monopolized. So interesting. They ended up monopolizing the major, the railways, the shipping lanes, the agriculture, the steel mills, you know, that they had, there are these 20 families that basically came into monopoly control of the major aspects of the economy of the United States. And what they would do is they would meet quarterly, the heads of those families, these patriarchs, and they would meet as members of Brown Brothers Harriman. The CEO of which was George Herbert Walker. Holy shit. Of the George Herbert Walker Bush fame. Josh, can you go run and get me another diaper?

I've soiled mine. Yeah. So, but anyway, that's, so they're the ones that at the end of World War I, okay, that it turns out that Robert Lansing was the Secretary of State under Woodrow Wilson at that time. Robert Lansing was the son-in-law of John W. Foster. John W. Foster had been the Secretary of State under William Henry Harrison. He's the one that instigated taking over the Guam and the Hawaiian Islands and all of those things and ended up setting up the war against Spain for Cuba, that whole age of American imperialism.

They even talk about it in high school, to the degree to which they teach high school civics anymore. You know, that was the age of American imperialism. And John W. Foster was the grandfather, maternal grandfather of John W. Foster. of John Foster Dulles and Alan Dulles. And John W. Foster, this arch-imperialist, you know, a guy from the Secretary of State trained both of his grandsons, Alan Dulles and John Foster Dulles, and his son-in-law, Robert Lansing. And Robert Lansing is the Secretary of State under Woodrow Wilson

And at the end of World War I, he's the one that supervised the Treaty of Versailles. And in the Treaty of Versailles, he decided to put into the Treaty of Versailles against Germany the reparations requirements, that they had to pay these massive war reparations, right? And the people who drafted into the Versailles Treaty, the war reparations, was John Foster Dulles and Alan Dulles. They were young lawyers at the law firm of Sullivan and Cromwell. And they became legal counsel for, for the Brown Brothers Herriman.

And they put the reparations requirements in. And Germany couldn't pay the war reparations because they just had the shit kick out of the World War I. And so what Brown Brothers Heron did is loan them the money to pay. And it turns out Alan Dulles had become legal counsel for Brown Brothers Harriman. So they directed them to give the loans to Germany to pay. And they took as security for those loans, controlling stock interest in their entire war industries.

Oh, my God. The Krupsball Barring factory, the IG firebin for explosives, all those things, and then began to loan the government money to rebuild their war machine so that they could become the bulwark against Bolshevism in Europe. And so what they did is, in addition to doing that, Brown Brothers Harriman, the CEO for Brown Brothers Harriman, George Herbert Walker, the maternal grandfather of George Herbert Walker Bush. He left as the CEO for Brown Brothers Harriman, turned it over to his son-in-law, Prescott Bush, right, and set up the Union Bank of New York, which was capitalized by these 20 families that were partners in Brown Brothers Harriman.

They set up the Union Bank of New York. They set up a foreign subsidiary up in the Netherlands called the Bank of Shipping and Commerce that Fritz Thaisen ran for them. and they financed the construction to the international headquarters of the Third Reich and began paying all the expenses for the National Socialist Movement of Adolf Hitler to become the bulwark against Bolshevism because at the end of World War I in 1917, the Bolsheviks had risen up and ousted Tsar Nicholas II, who was one of the Allies in World War I, okay, of the Allies against Germany.

So they had withdrawn from the war, and they had established the International Socialist Revolution. And Brown Brothers Harriman and these arch-capitalists, you know, who were, I mean, that's exactly who they were. They were the primary capitalists who would help invent earlier, 1872, this whole new device, this whole investment device, where they could invest their money as shareholders in a company and be completely legally immunized against anything they did. It's incredible. It's so evil. It's as evil as evil gets. Well, what it was is was really smart from their point of view. Yeah, well, yeah. I mean, you know, well, why wouldn't you?

And so that's what they were doing, right? And so that's where Alan Dulles comes from. And in fact, the person who recommended to Truman at the end of World War II to create the Central Intelligence Agency, who wrote the memo to then-President Truman to create the Central Intelligence Agency was Robert Lovett, who was Robert Lovett, who was that. a senior partner at Brown Brothers Harriman. Jesus Christ. Okay. And that's how they said. And then Alan Dulles,

who was their legal counsel, their consiglieri, if you will, is the one who became the first civilian director of the CIA. Is Brown Brothers Harriman still in existence? They are, but they've been sort of usurped from that position now. Josh, pull up the Brown Brothers Harriman website. Let's see if they have any job openings. Yeah. Yeah. They sort of faded out

ever because the Central Intelligence Agency took over doing the operations. Right? So they didn't really have do it anymore. They actually set up and they're not, they're not doing that stuff now. Well, I mean, oh, look, yeah, look, hey, we're planning World War III. Hey, come to Brown Brothers Airmen, help us plan. I guess what's so chilling about what you're saying is the things are saying are the kind of things that I don't want to be real. I try to diffuse them in my mind or I try to sort of like, it's hard for me to wrap my head around something so organized and so negative.

Something so, you know, the older I get, I don't know if this means I'm becoming cynical, the more I begin to think potentially maybe there's a new branch on the tree of humanity or an old branch on the tree of humanity. I don't know, that this branch consists of sociopaths who they don't think about anything other than power. They don't care about killing people. They don't care about killing people. They don't care about breaking the law. They're pirates. It's piracy. And it's become, but the problem is with the development of the Central Intelligence Agency, it became institutionalized.

Institutionalized piracy. The Central Intelligence Agency ended up engaging in covert operations where they were going to be engaged. an activity outside of the United States North American Territory and be able to oust people from government leadership and everything on behalf of the corporations. Right. On behalf of the interests of the corporations, there's actually a full document about it. There's the 1992 United States Defense Department of Policy Planning Guidance document that was written under George H.W. Bush and his Secretary of Defense, Dick Cheney.

Yeah. And Paul Wolfowitz and Scooter Libby and Doug Fife and that whole. crowd that they call the Vulcans that were under Dick Cheney and the secretary in the defense department under George Bush senior that at the end of the cold war when Gorbachev you know voluntarily stepped back out of the cold war you know you know after 80 years basically he stepped back and what happened is these guys in the defense department under George Bush senior right after December 31st of 1991 when Gorbachev signed this release of all of the socialist repuls could all be independent, right?

And what happened is Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz and the guys in the Defense Department got together and said, holy shit, this is terrible. You know, we've been, you know, everybody for the last 80 years have been able to be flogging this horse about how the Soviet Union is trying to take over the whole world and they're going to threaten everybody's freedom and everything. And so we've been getting, you know, $700 billion a year, you know,

in the defense budget. And so they're all going to come after us and try to cut back on this. defense budget now. So what we've got to do is we've got to increase the military budget because we're the sole remaining superpower on the entire planet. So what we've got to do is take this golden opportunity that we have for the short window of opportunity that we have as the sole superpower on the planet is to establish full spectrum dominance, is their actual term, is to establish full spectrum military dominance over the whole planet so that there's

not a single nation state or any other entity on our planet that can defeat us under any circumstances. And that's what they began doing. That's exactly why they're in that that when that document, the 1992 United States Defense Department policy planning guidance document was completed in April of 1992, just four months after the, quote, collapse of the Soviet Union, if you will. What happened is the New York Times got a copy of it. And so did the Washington Post and they wrote these real aggressive attacks saying this is like a return to gunboat diplomacy yeah you know which you shouldn't be surprised that it's a return to gunboat diplomacy because gumboat diplomacy went all the way up to 1917 right and then in 1917 when the

Soviet Union started opposing them and pushing back against all of their activities around the world you know that this this cold war went on it didn't the cold war didn't go on just between 1945, you know, it went all the way back to 1917. When you say this is the exact kind of diplomacy that we are watching take place right now, it's gunboat diplomacy. We're doing it with Cuba right now. Well, that's exactly right. And it just got through doing it with Iran or still in the process.

Yeah. We sent one third of the entire United States naval forces, three full aircraft carrier battle groups into the waters off Iran. Okay, the USS Eisenhower, the USS Henry Truman, and the Abraham Lincoln. And we said, sit down, let's make a deal. Yeah, and then we'll bomb the shit out of you, right? When you're gathering to talk about the deal. Yeah, that's right.

We know when you're all going to gather together. And it's so good. So now this, so based on the events that are happening right now in the world, and everything that you just described. By way of background. You know, by way of background. Yeah. You know, one of the sort of, you know, we're watching all these people who, the independents who voted for Trump, who bought his, I mean, how many times did he say?

No more war. No more wars. All these people are like so sick of the United States being at war, elect Trump. And then we're back in a Middle Eastern war. But based on what you're saying, an answer to why, it feels like, yeah, it's because these people that you're. describing what or whatever this particular secret or maybe not so secret now is they get in a president's head and they get him or I well why why else would he do something that is with midterms coming up something that he must know is so politically disastrous why there's

the Trump Trump himself is a is a kind of a wild cart in the midst of all of this you know He's a guy who used to sleep with a copy of Monkamp on his bedstand. I didn't know that. Oh, yes. And the speeches of Adolf Hitler and Mussolini, Donald Trump. That's right. I know the investigator that worked for his first wife in the divorce. And this is one of the things they found out, is that he had a copy of Mankham on his bedstand

and the printed speeches in English of Adolf Hitler and Mussolini. This has been documented. This has been verified. Well, I mean, I know it was because I talked to the investigator. He was one of my investigators. He was in the Moriarty firm. Wow. And so I know that that was there.

And so he's just copying the playbook of Adolf Hitler. And that's why he's doing exactly what he's doing. It's why he has this kind of Blitzkrieg theory. He'll just keep coming right at you, powering one after another. He's going to put the brown shirts, which is the ice people and put the brown shirts out into the communities. and intimidating everybody. Figure out a scapegoat race, some minority race that you can scapegoat

as to cause your problem and round them up and put them in box cars and detention camps. I mean, it's... So he's a unique manifestation of the full flower of this because this is a fascist theory. Because if you look at the...

You can't see it because it's classified, but we've got a copy of it at the Institute. This 1992, you know, States Defense Department of Policy Playing guidance document. What it says is that what they want to do is they wanted to have this initially, the Balkans, who were all under Dick Cheney and Wolfowitz and the guys, wanted to have this be a United States unilateral establishment of ourselves as the full spectrum dominance leader of the world.

But when the New York Times and Post got a copy of it and roundly criticized it as a return to gumboat diplomacy, what happened is George Bush, senior who was the president said oh look uh in light in response to these two uh major editorials against this by the new york times and the washington post i'm not going to admit there is any such document but even if there were it would only be a first draft uh and and what he did is he comes back with a second iteration of the 1992 united states defense department of policy planning guidance time you're saying look rather than do this unilaterally on the part of just the United States.

I want you to listen to this. It says, instead of having to be just unilateral on behalf of the United States, what we want to do is establish a new alliance. It's going to be called a new Northern Industrial Alliance. And it's going to be the United States and Canada, in Mexico, not the Mexican presentry, but the Castan Spanish that run the pre. Yeah. Okay.

The UK, France, Italy, Spain, the new reunified Germany, and even Russia, if they're willing to join, now that they've spun off all of their ethnic provinces. So what does that say? I mean, all of those are Caucasian basic countries, including the pre, down in Mexico. And so what this is is an overwhelmingly obvious. racialist alliance that they want to build, right? And the, and it's saying is that this alliance now will pursue the continued, quote,

the continued privileged access to the strategic raw materials needed by the major corporations of the member states of the Northern Industrial Alliance. Good Lord. Okay. the definition of fascism pursuant to the essay that was written by Mussolini Bonito Mussolini in 1933 is the putting of the instrumentalities

of the government at the disposal of the interests of privately owned corporations. Fuck. That is what it is. Okay. And so this is actual fascism. And basically, what's good for General Motors is good for the carpenters.

is good for the country. So that, you know, if we deploy our forces into the field, you know, to overthrow the Nicaraguan government, for example, in 1903, you know, we send Shmedley Butler, who's the General Butler, the head of the United States Marine Corps, you know, down to, down to Nicaragua to overthrow the democratically elected government, you know, and that's what they do. You're freaking me out, man. And Butler, General Butler, when he resigned, he said, I got tired of being.

a gun thug for Brown Brothers Harriman. Jesus. That was exactly what he said, and people said, what the hell does that mean? You know, why would he say something like that? You know what I'm hearing right now? I'm just hearing Trump glowingly talk about factories. I mean, you know how much big, beautiful factories,

beautiful, big factories? Which are all privately owned. Exactly what you're describing. It's exactly what you're describing. We are the number one exporter now of oil. Drill, baby, drill. Drill baby, drill. Who's the we're talking about?

We're talking about privately owned oil corporations. Privately owned oil corporations. That's exactly what we're talking about here. And so he has sort of a feral intelligence. Yeah. Then he says, look, when you get right down to it, kind of a reductionist analysis of the whole thing, all I have to do is do the interests of major corporations.

And, of course, he will try to figure out how to get in on the deal and make have his sons go around making business deals like tictock did you you don't have to pull this up did you see how much money made off ticot no you know what pull it up tick to ticot trump administration the tick he got some kind of the they got some under the table like a little it wasn't how much money did trump make this just came out but it i'm only pulling it up because it fits into what you're describing here yeah exactly which is so based on reports it's set to receive a total of 10 billion in brokerage fees from investors, including Oracle and Silver Lake, for brokering the deal to create a U.S. control version of TikTok, approximately 2.5 billion was

paid when the deal closed. Trump called this a fee plus, whatever the fuck that means. That's a Trump saying fee plus, of course, it's a fee plus. And that's why it's not coincidental. What he's, his principal promises that he's going to reduce the tax rates for major corporations and for the wealthy owners of the shares of the corporations. Those are two of his major pillars of his campaign. That's what he's doing. So, but what I'm saying is the deep state, the so-called deep state, you know, the secret kind of people, right? It's a fascist, it's a

fascist regime, you know, and the fact of the matter is they happen to, at a particular period in history all come to roost in Brown Brothers Harriman because the top 20 patriarchs of those families were there and would sit together and work out policies. And that's exactly what they did. See, this, so to me, what's, I mean, there's so many terrible things about what you're describing here, but, you know, let's look at like classic fascism. You know, it's localized. It's in Germany. It's in Italy. You know, we know where it's at.

This is a kind of modular fascism. This fascism is sort of, what nation is it part of? What is it? It's like it's a secret invisible nation existing within all nations. It actually permeates all of Western civilization right now. I mean, it's the banking system in the major corporations, the transnational corporations now. are in fact, you know, that they're supporting fascist policies.

You know, well, why wouldn't they? Right. You know, and now, now you, I mean, there was a point in time where if you, you know, if a corporate, a lawyer went into the office of the vice president with a brown paper bag full of $100 bills and handed to them, they'd both get arrested and put in prison. Now it's perfectly obvious. You know, now they're, because of the United States Supreme Court,

decision, you know, they can give as much money as they want. No problem. No problem. No problem. Caps are open. Yeah. Citizens United States Supreme Court decision. And now they've issued the case ironically named or not called Trump versus the United States in which they're asserting that as long as he's president, you can't prosecute him for anything. Right. That they've transmuted civil liability for a president during his sitting in the presidency. So just John Doe can't go suing him, you know, for any old thing and taking all this time. Didn't Trump say I could shoot somebody and they couldn't do anything? Yes.

He said that before they even made the ruling. That was before Trump versus the United States, the ruling. In the United States Supreme Court, written by John Roberts, in a sleight of hand, took the very limited, limited immunity that a president has during his pendency in office against individual private civil lawsuits and said they translated into him being immunized against criminal prosecution. It's insane. For anything, and not only for during the pendency of his term, but afterwards as well. And so he perceives this as just carte blanche.

So he can just keep doing one criminal thing after. another. And I mean, didn't anybody notice that the entire indictments and everything that Jack Smith was working on arising out of the 6th of January, you know, all of a sudden, just as soon as as Trump won, they just started dismissing them. All of them, permanently. Also, I'm really completely flabbergasted by the fact that we are now in this quagmire in Iran, that he's started without congressional approval. You can't do that. No, no.

But based on what you're saying. Article 1, Section 8, Clause 14, says specifically, you can't. They have the exclusive authority to, well, this one, 14, is the one that says that they have the unique authority to regulate and pass all the rules and regulations governing the military services of the United States. That says that. But he did it. But the right to declare war is completely authorized only by Congress.

And that's why he's calling it an excursion. He's trying to be semantic. And he's trying to argue under the War Powers Act that got passed in 1973 by Congress. He's trying to argue that there was an imminent threat. He's actually gone so far as to say, if we didn't attack Iran at that time, within two weeks, they would have had a nuclear bomb. And that's what he said. And he's been saying this for decades.

And he doesn't care that it isn't true. He just says, look, if I had to qualify somehow to have an imminent threat, that would have theoretically prevented me to have time to even go to Congress to try to get their consent to this. So he just made it up. It's just a fat lie. Okay. So.

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Thanks, ExpressVPN. Sorry for talking about pooping in the Atlanta. Why? Okay, this sort of brings us back to the first question I had for you, which is now. Why is it people? How dangerous? How big a danger are we in of the people? people losing the thread of confidence in the legitimacy of their government.

Because we're all seeing it now. And to me, what's really, what makes me nervous is that they really don't seem like they're trying to hide it anymore. These people. It's in your face. Because the Soviet Union has withdrawn from trying to organize people around the world from a socialist perspective against the activities of the capitalist people. and as soon as they step back out of that role,

what happened is everybody said, whoopty-do, time to get back to the same things we were doing before 1917. And that's what we're doing. And that's exactly what we're doing. And the Democratic Party said, well, wait a second, the Republican Party is just right after the withdrawal of the Soviet Union

from the Cold War, you know, these people, Dick Cheney and the people that were the Secretary of Defense for George Bush, 1992. What they did is they just said, let's get back to it. Let's get back to the same kind of gumboat diplomacy, robber, barren stuff that we were doing before. And the Democratic Party said, well, look, if the Republican Party is going to move to the hard right like that, why should we remain still supporting liberal policies like Franklin Roosevelt and Social Security and, you know, of these other safety net things? Because there's no longer a socialist threat against us. So what we'll do

is we'll shift back to the right of center. That was what the new Democratic Party was all about. That's what Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton and Al Gore. They're all southern, there's all southern senators. Yeah. You know, and in governors. You know, they came right back and said, look, let's just set up the Democratic Party to the right of center.

The Republican Party will go to the far right. Right. Okay? And so the people find themselves with no real options. And that's part of what the people were getting sick and tired of. You know, and that was why when Trump comes along and it was just like rolling grenades into the tent. Yeah. You know, they said, oh, well, shit, let's just support this guy, you know.

Because who's, look, you got, you got Barack Obama ordering, you know, drone strikes to kill American citizens. Yeah, joking about, joking, making jokes. Without any judicial process, without any due process being taken at all. no making any particular charges against them in any kind of judicial tribunal nothing you know and so they they all get sucked into this national security state that's now been set up in the National Security Act of 1947 they set it up giving themselves the authority you know they drafted the whole thing you know and the and that's that's what we're looking at we're looking at the national security state here in the United States and so I'm so

I'm so out of my league here, so forgive me. No, no, no. This is, like you asked the question, I'm just giving you the answer. But this is why it bothers me. As it was explained to me in my high school civics class, the idea of the founding fathers was, how do we keep these revolutions from ever happening again? Well, we'll create a nonviolent revolution every four years. We'll give the people a voice, all the pressure that built.

builds up that causes a revolution to happen will be diffused via this nonviolent process. And so to me where it seems frightening is you take away, once everyone starts recognizing that the political class is no longer following the rule of law, therefore it is no longer a democracy at all. And no longer legitimate. Then the pressure starts building up. And then what? Yeah.

Then what? Well, this is one of the major challenges that I have. have right at the present time is because that people are so disgusted with them and that the defiance of the rule of law and even the pretense of abiding by the law has been cast aside now people are saying well why should we continue to play by the rules right why should we continue to support this government why don't we just do whatever it is is necessary to get rid of these people you know and then what they start to do is disregard the rule of law right and that's that's what the fascists want. That's what they want. They want people, you know, refusing to obey the law so

they can put the brown shirts out into the field and go cracking skulls, you know, and so that we've got to maintain, and one of the fortunate points is, because I've established some modicum of a reputation for being part of undermining the blind faith in the government, that I should have some kind of credibility saying, be careful now, be careful, you know, that I, that I, that I, have helped provide some leadership in undermining the blind faith in the executive branch and in, and of course, in the Congress itself, you know, but the fact of the matter is I am raising the warning now to be careful that what we've got to do is we've got to stay attached to the constitutional structures of the government, okay, into the democratic processes that we have

to do this, you know, and people say, yeah, but that means we're going to wait another nine months, even for an election. Look at all the damage he's going to do within nine months. And the fact is that even if you win the House and the Senate, you know, right now, you know, the Senate is, you know, 47 or 47 to 53, right? 53 Republican, 47 Democrats. And in the House, you got 219 Republicans to 112. Okay, but that's only seven, majority of seven seats.

Okay. So all you have to do is change four votes. All you have to just get four of those Republicans. to come over and join you, and you get a thing like the discharge petition on the Jeffrey Epstein files. Right. You know, because all the Democrats pile on and say, absolutely, that's keep the shit out of Trump.

And all you have to do is get four of the people out of the Liberty, the Freedom Caucus to come on board with you, and you get a discharge petition. Right. Ordering Mike Johnson, the Speaker of the House, to put the transparency bill governing the the Epstein files, put that on the floor for a vote. Yeah. And we'll win, which they did. And now we're following that same thing with the UFO stuff, that they've been lying and concealing.

And that's a whole other dimension of the deep state. This is the deep, deep, deep state. Deep state. But wait, well, let me just, I want to underline something that I, just to clarify. What you're saying is, it's not hopeless. No. We got the Epstein files. Right now, if people,

And I get it, man. But right now if people, like, decide to, like, insurrect or some version of that or even thing... He'll slam down. That's exactly what he wants. That's what he wants. And he'll suspend the Constitution. Dream come true. Possibly stop the election and everything.

And based on everything you're saying, a lot of the machinations that were witnessing would theoretically be designed to encourage that respect. That's right. Knowing that the midterms are coming up. So, and I don't want to. Well, you've got to understand that the people that are operational in the deep state are very, very smart. You know, no one can gainsay. They're smart. They're smart. You know, and the problem is that there's 18% of the people in the country that are basically complete no-n-n-n-noutings.

I mean, they couldn't pass a test on any of these things. You know, and as Abraham Lincoln said, you know, that you can fool some of the people all the time, and you can fool all the people some of the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time. But you go back to notice, you can fool some of the people all the time, and this is 18% of the people, you know,

who are so studiedly ignorant and refuse to read anything or to follow anything because they don't bother. They don't have time. They're given over to, you know, working and spending money. You think it's just 18%? No, no, it is. But, but... Do you think it's just?

It's bigger than that. No, no. Listen, here's what the problem is. 18% of the people, you know, if they can mobilize these people to vote, they only have people, only 52% of the people vote. You know, to take a look at the actual statistics. You know, I mean, we got 64% of the people to vote in the Obama election, which was absolutely astronomical for, but that's only 64% of the people.

Right. You know, so that's almost 36% of the people don't even vote. You know, the fact of the matter, almost 50% of the people don't vote. So only 50% of the people vote. So you get 18% of the people that are, these know-none-nothings, if you can mobilize them, you know, running around to have all these weird rallies, these basic fascist rallies, and get them to come out, then you got like 36% of the actual vote that gets cast. And so then, you know, you've got almost four.

40% of the vote there. You're just 4 points short, 50% of the vote. When you only have a two-party system and you have people committed to, I'm never in the world going to vote for a Democrat. Yeah. Or I'm never in the world going to vote for a Republican, that you have all these people that just wouldn'tly, you know, vote for whoever the Republican Party nominee is. Right. Okay. And so that's what's happened.

That's exactly what's happened. Because he has captured the primaries in the Republican, in the Republican, in the Republican, contest because even fewer people vote in the primaries. And so if you can get 18% of the people coming out to vote for you and they constitute more than 36% of the people who vote in the primary, they constitute 53, 55% of the people that are voting in the primary, okay? Because you're only getting at like 43% of the people to 42% of the people voting in the primary.

Okay? So this 18% is doubled. So they're like 36% of only 46% of the people voting. And so he wins the primary. And then once he's won the primary, a whole bunch of people will be added to that 36%. And they get them into the 52, 53%. That's how Trump has gotten there. Okay?

And so what we have to be able to do, we have to be able to weather this constitutional storm that we're seeing happen right now. You know, and it's exacerbated by the fact that he appointed these four justices to the Supreme Court. You know, but what we're seeing now is a break in that solid wall. Yep. You know, we've got Roberts. Roberts is going to, you know, we're going to have Sotomayor and Kagan and Brown Jackson all the time because they're going to hang with the Constitution and support it all the way, right? And we know on the other end of it, on the other end that you got Elito and you got Thomas and you got Kavanaugh.

that are going to be voting, you know, whatever fascist thing that they have an opportunity to do. So there's three of the other justices now, two of whom were appointed by Trump. Yeah. That's a Gorsuch and Connie Barrett. Yeah. Okay. And we know that Justice Roberts is extremely concerned now about the losing of more and more credibility on the part of the entire Supreme Court. Right.

And his entire legacy is going to be ruined. This is thus, this gets us to the smackdown with the tariffs bill that just happened. That's exactly how the vote broke. That's what you're pointing towards. That's exactly right. That's the split. It's not a solid wall anymore. It's three, three and three.

Yeah. You know, there's three three and three. And those three in the middle, Justice Roberts and Gorsuch and Connie Barrett, they're going to make the determinations now. And they are starting to decide this has gone too far. Right. He has gone overboard. You know, we went to the extent of giving him Trump versus the United States and immunizing him against actual criminal prosecution here. And he said, oh, if you really want to get rid of him, you have to have a two-thirds majority in the Senate and impeach him.

Right. You know, you've got to get a majority in the House to impeach him, and you've got to get a two-thirds majority in the Senate to convict him. And so that's your remedy, folks. But you do think he's the best president we've ever had. Yeah, well. Sorry. He's the most remarkable. I mean, one of the most remarkable.

Most entertaining, maybe. Yeah. But this, okay, so how much time do we have, Josh? I think I'm keeping you over your time right now. We're at an hour five. Okay. People will kill me. Do you have a little bit more time?

I've love time. I've got the evening. Thank you. So what I know a lot of people say the reason he came out on the, on Air Force one, and said he's going to declass him. as to cover up the Epstein files. It seems like people think that this is why the war in Iran is some kind of cover up for the Epstein files.

I don't know if I buy that, but I'm real curious, your thoughts is why suddenly, I think, for the first time in American history that the president of the United States publicly announced disclosure. Well, but he didn't. You've got to be more careful about this. What he said is, in light of the extreme public interest, in this subject, I have decided that I am going to, in the future sometime, give directions to the Secretary of War Hegsseth and the heads of the other relevant departments for them to begin

the process. Oh, God, you're right. Begin the process of identifying the documents that may be in the future sometime disclosed. It's a nothing burger. It's a nothing burger, right? And the fact of the matter is those exact same agencies had already been ordered back on December 23rd of 2003 by the United States Congress, both houses, commanding them to identify and gather together all such documentation and have to have it ready by October 20th of 2024 and turn it over to the National Archives. They didn't do squat. They didn't pay the slightest attention to that.

In fact, Hague Seth, Secretary of Defense slash war, you know, he said that when he heard the statement by President Trump, that issue hadn't even been on his bingo card. That was his quote, which means that's the Secretary of Defense. He hadn't done a thing to try to comply with the orders of the Congress, ordering, commanding the Defense Department to gather all the information together they had, put it together into a digitized format with a searchable index. and turn it over to the National Archives, and they gave them 300 days to do it. Yeah. And they hadn't done a thing. Not on his bingo card.

Not on his bingo card entirely. So the people need to be careful about being conned by the greatest con man that we've seen. Okay. Well, at least give me this. Give me this one sense of like, okay, this is good, which is at least, I mean, when is a president even come close? close to, I get you, and I feel really, like, really misled now that you mentioned the way he said it,

but it is historic that a president would even get that close to it. Well, see, there's an existential process going on here. We are carving away at them. You know, I mean, our New Paradigm Institute is organizing. We've got people now in 35 different states that are part of the New Paradigm Institute, Citizens for Disclosure. Yes. Okay?

We're going to have all 50 states here. here by springtime, you know. And we're going to have people out. And then we start working on all 435 congressional districts. And we've got the people all getting educated about it. We're getting them all to see the film, the age of disclosure. Which is mind-blowing saw last year. People are freaking out when they see it.

They say, wait a second. Look at who these people are. There's 34 of the top-level people who have above-top secret clearances telling you on the basis of firsthand knowledge they've got. that we are in possession of a, at least one, you know, non-human origin, extraterrestrial spacecraft. And the bodies of the occupants that have been shown now by DNA testing could be non-human. Right. I mean, you would assume that that would be right on the front page, you know, above the fold of the New York Times, you know.

Nothing. Crickets. And just, you know, nothing. And because of the consistent campaign that's been mounted. by the Defense Department and the Central Intelligence Agency to scandalize anybody who thinks that UFOs are real. Yeah. You know, and where they now have got the documents? You know, Richard Dolan, who is the author of the big two-volume set of UFOs in the national

security state, you know, has the copies of the documents that he's extracted, like pulling teeth out of them, you know, with lawsuits that he's filed to extract the documents that shows the actual documented proof that they had this full-scale sci-ops operation. operating against the people of the country. Ruin lives. Yeah. I mean, destroyed their careers, destroyed their families, you know, and did it, you know, knowingly.

And now we know that. So the question is, what are we going to do about this? You know, and what we're not going to do is do the same thing we did with the church committee, you know? They had the whole church committee go on and reveal all this kind of thing they did. And not a single person got prosecuted out of all that. Right. You know, we did the Watergate burglary.

some guys went in for a few months, you know, and the president was gone, you know, but who else went to prison over that whole long conspiracy of the killing of the president? Right. You know, which is what it was really all about. You know, they swept that completely under the rug, but then they instantaneously put together the assassination review board that they put together the House Select Committee on Assassinations. The House Committee at Assassinations comes up with a conclusion that it's more problematic. than not that the president was killed by a conspiracy and that the most likely suspects are a certain

element of organized crime, Traficanti, and the guys, and a certain element of the Miami-based anti-Castro community, which is the 2506 brigade and it's the Alpha 66 people, is Chichicintero and the guys, you know, and Rolando Martinez and all that, we know who the 15 people are that were the shooters, because we actually interviewed Traficanti, and he told us. us who they were because he's the one that picked him, you know? So, okay, but, so I loved age disclosure, and I got to see it here with, I, I must, I think a lot of people in the theater were, like, I, I'm steeped in this stuff, I love it, it's incredible, I got to turn around and look at a whole theater, people getting red-pilled.

Yeah, that's right. Most, the highest level, because it's so well done and that it's just this barrage of high-ranking officials saying everything they can within their legal ability about the fact that there are UFOs and everything you mentioned. But also in there, they talked about this idea of like this immunity, essentially like because a lot of these people that you're talking about have broken the law, maybe the reason that they're not disclosing is just they know they're going to go to jail. What do you think of that? Give them immunity, blanket immunity. No, I think a lot about it because I'm the one drafting the statute.

I love it I think that's the move No what I've said is that I will not support blanket immunity That what we will do is give immunity To individual witnesses like in any criminal prosecution We're going to provide dispositive evidence against the others

You know and if they don't If the people don't come forward and admit it And seek immunity They're going to get prosecuted You know if there's 10 people involved In killing someone you know and one of them comes forward and said here let me explain what the other nine did i'm saying okay let's let all nine go because you know after all they're you know they're general officers

or they're high level c i'm all part of the club i mean you know i'm part of the same social club with them i'm going to let them go that's not a reason for letting them go you know we already went through that i'm the one that filed the criminal charges against them in the ron contra but this is so like the general i don't know like one general view on why disclosure isn't happening is it's going to freak us out too much when what I gathered from age of disclosure was no it's that these people broke the law and and they they're hiding this stuff to cover their asses. They don't want to get they don't want to go to jail. The part of it's true, but the reality is a significant percentage of the crimes that have been

committed by the legacy group have been committed by people who are now dead. You know, I mean, this has been going on for 80 years. years. You know, I mean, you know, these lives that were getting ruined and destroyed and everything, you know, back in the 1940s and 50s and 60s, those people are dead, you know, that did it. You know, these other people are part of the same ongoing federal criminal racketeering enterprise. That's what the problem is. Their real threat is the RICO statute, you know, which is, and I'm also drafting that. We're drafting the federal criminal racketeering at. We're the ones that put their charges down against the off-the-shelf enterprise of Oliver North.

We're the ones that did that entire case. We're the ones that filed a criminal charges against them. When the Justice Department wouldn't do anything, we're the ones that pursued the civil case against them. We're the ones that you got all the evidence against them. You know, we're the ones that got the hearings put together for the Congress. Have you been threatened? In the past, yeah.

But I only ask you that, and I don't mean to seem sinister. But this one of the sort of through lines in this story is that these people, are murderous, that these people will go to any links to cover this specific thing up. And you are just walking up to the Hornets Nest. Well, but they don't have to. At this particular point, they don't have to because they've been so effective in kind of besmirching the whole subject. You know, that Psiops campaign that they've engaged in now for 80 years

has been extremely effective, you know, extremely effective. Yeah, and I think Hal Put-off is one is that. It's the most effective sci-op operation that he's ever seen. It's incredible. You know, it's just infected everybody. You know, in positions of power and authority and are afraid of their reputation. Little green man. Are you talking about little green man?

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Duncan. Thanks, Quince. You know, you, it's interesting to watch the way that this is trickling out in the mainstream. And I love it. I love seeing Sean Hannity talk about UFOs. It always makes me laugh. Or you get people like Tucker Carlson, who seems legitimately scared of these things. He says that these are actually, you know, demonic entities. And, you know, he's just gone right straight to the kind of the root of this 18% of the people. They know nothings. But what do you think these things are? I have a pretty good idea what they are.

What are they? They're an extraterrestrial civilization that is all around us. You know, that there's five very specific species that are the dominant species, you know, that they've been coming and going here at least, and I say that emphatically, at least since January or July 16th of 1945 with the detonation of the first atomic bomb. they've been surveilling our nuclear facilities, they've been shutting off nuclear missiles,

they've been paralyzing entire aircraft carrier battle groups, showing that they're inclined to do that to stop us from destroying the planet, you know, and contaminating the entire genetic pool of life on our planet. You know, that's who they are. You know, and the fact of the matter is they know who they are. You know, I mean, they've got the April 26th, uh,

1964, uh, incident at the Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico, with three UFOs coming and hovering over the tarmac, the middle one settling down and landing on the tarmac, a humanoid, you know, almost six foot tall humanoid being.

No, no, it was tall white. Tall white. Yeah. You know, it come out of the craft. It's on film.

They filmed it, you know, and is met on the tarmac. seen it? No, no. I've had it described to me in some graphic detail though by a guy whose best friend saw it. Yeah. You know?

And the guy that told me all about was Edgar Mitchell, you know? Good Lord. And so that, so the bottom line is that he was met on the tarmac by two high-ranking United States Air Force officers in

uniform and two civilians, almost certainly CIA, and that they met him, went into an airplane hanger nearby, and were there for some time engaged in telepathic communications with this being. Right. And he came out and got back on the craft and just shot away. You know, so we know that not only that they're here, but that they've had some direct face-to-face contact with authorities in the government.

There's almost certainly some set of protocols that are operational to keep them, even though it's clear that there have been elements inside the CIA, and the Joint Special Operations Command that have actually been physically shooting down UFOs, that they've developed this pulse weapon where they can knock them down. I don't mean to laugh because the problem is that when they launch this pulse weapon at one of these craft,

the effect of the pulse just keeps on going, and it knocks down civilian aircraft all the way to the horizon. Wow. So they have to be extraordinarily careful with it, but they've done it, and they've captured a handful of them. And what do they do with them when they capture them? They try to back engineer them. That's what they're doing.

They're trying to make a weapon system out of them. What about the pilots? They kill them. They literally just kill them. They have killed them, yes. What do they put them in a jar of chloroform? How do they kill them? No, they shoot them.

They bring down the craft and then drag them out and shoot them. How is that a good idea? How does that work out? It's a terrible idea. It's a really bad idea. You know, the forbearance on the part of the ET people is pretty remarkable to this point. Well, the other thing that's remarkable is they seem to respect power hierarchies on this planet in the sense that why are they choosing to, you know, communicate with the military? Why are they choosing to communicate with the...

In that particular instance, it's true. But the fact is they're communicating with all kinds of people. Right. I mean, there are literally thousands of people. Have they communicated with you? No. No, no. Never seen money.

You think that, you know, I think we've all had weird dreams and stuff. But if I, like, there's some, you know, sense that, like, you could if you wanted to. There's a possibility of reaching out. Oh, yeah. Oh, no, absolutely. You buy that. You buy that. I'm positive.

It's true. You know, this is the CE5 protocols that would develop, you know. It's not just Dr. Stephen Greer, but there's others, you know, that have a whole protocols for getting together with your friends and neighbors. getting lawn chairs out and, you know, getting out like 10 o'clock at night and getting in the summer weather and getting the lawn chairs out and sitting in a big circle. And you start meditating, you know, getting into a kind of a classic transcendental meditation kind of state in soliciting, you know, with heartfelt affection and sincerity of soliciting them to come. And it happens over and over and over again. And now we've got hundreds of videos now. Oh, yeah. I'm not talking about the drones, and I'm talking about craft. I mean, full-scale craft, you know.

So, I mean, it's getting to the point now with the cameras, you know, with the cell phones and stuff, that people, they were saying, hey, if these are real, how come we've never seen any videos? No, you got videos everywhere of them. You know, and then now they're saying, oh, but it must be AI. I mean, at least in the last several months. Sure. The fact is, we've had hundreds of photographs of them in video. We've got F-18 Super Hornet. gun camera video of these people, of these car apps. That's what the New York Times article was about on December 17th of 2017 with Lou Elizando and Chris Mellon with Leslie Kane and did that. Here's my last question for you. And my God, thank you.

We didn't cover as much as the UFO stuff as you might have wanted to. No, but we got a lot of it. Listen, there is a lot of it, but I do feel like the lead up to the UFO. stuff is incredibly important for people to hear and for me to hear too. It's a good reminder. But based on the work that you're doing right now, can you give us some kind of timeline? Like, how do you think? Seven years. Seven years? That's what the statute. That's what the statute provided for.

What does the next seven years look like, though? Like, what can we expect to see over the next seven years? It's going to be a slow rollout. of the information that the key is they're trying to figure out how to, well, let me back up a step. The age of disclosure you saw, the 90-minute documentary, every single thing that was said by every single one of those people was authorized by the United States Defense Department. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So that's partially disclosure. Yes. You know, it's a form of disclosure. The testimony by David Grush on July 26th of 2023, which he said, we're in possession, you know, of a non-human extraterrestrial spacecraft and the bodies that have been shown to be non-human. That's disclosure, because he was authorized to say that. You know, Lou Elizando confirmed it, you know, on November 13th of 2025,

confirmed that this is all true. and said to Eric Berluson, who asked him the question, and Berluson said, look, you know, you've testified that we have these craft and that we've verified that they're non-human bodies. You know, if you and I were to get into a skiff, you know, would you be able to show to me the completely dispositive proof that would prove to me as a skeptic that is true? And Lou said, you know, basically I could, but I can't.

I mean, he knows the stuff, but he can't tell you. Right. And because it would be up to those above me to have to make that decision. What he's basically telling them is, I'm not telling you. Yeah. You're the United States Congress. Got me here, and I'm in front of you under oath, and I'm refusing to tell you. It's crazy.

You know, and you're excuse me. You say, excuse me. Right. This is the United States Congress. You can't just say I'm not going to tell you. I'm not going to tell you because my boss won't let me. Who the hell do they think they are? I mean, that's the whole point here.

You know, the Congress of the United States, I pointed out earlier, Article 1 that created the whole Congress, you know, Section, or Clause 8, you know, excuse me, chapter 8, clause 14, says, the Congress of the United States shall have the authority to promulgate all rules and regulations governing the armed forces of the United States. You know, they're in charge of deciding what gets classified

and what doesn't get classified, okay? And so what we've got to do is encourage, literally, encourage the members of Congress, the House of Representatives and the Senate, to do this, okay, because they're afraid of the national security state. The national security state will retaliate again. Look at Frank Church, Frank Church, who chaired the big famous church committee on the select committee on intelligence

abuse. The very next time he ran for re-election, he'd been elected three times by like 25%. All of a sudden, millions of dollars mysteriously show up in his campaign against him, you know, revealing the fact that he supported the Equal Rights Amendment. Wow. You know, in Idaho, and that he supported the regulation of automatic weapons for at least registering them, right? And so they just poured it on.

That money came out of the Nugan Hand Bank, out of Australia. which is drug money that was actually given by Bang Pao to Theodore Shackley, the CIA station chief in Saigon. You know, that's where the money came from, tracked it through South African banks, you know, right into the campaign against the church. All the members of the Senate and House know this. They're terrified of these people of what they'll do to them. So the whole United States government has been compromised by whatever the fuck this thing is that you're described. Yes. No, that is true.

That is true. And we've talked to them. They know, I mean, we've got Senate Intelligence Committee staff people whose houses get buzzed by helicopters. You know, I was sitting basically right on top of their house, thundering to their house to back them off from this thing. You know? But again, I want to hasten to point out before we get down is that you can't let them scare you on this thing. You know, you've got to stay steadfast. None of us have taken any oaths not to reveal what we know about this.

none of us have taken oaths not to do everything we can do to find out about what this information is. Most importantly, we certainly haven't taken any oaths not to sit down with our friends and neighbors in a circle at night and call in these craft and engage in direct citizen diplomacy with them. Wow. Fuck these people. Who do they think they are? Yes. You know, they're in complete defiance of our Constitution. They're in complete defiance of the rule of law on our planet.

And we don't have to hunt them down and kill them or trying to engage in any kind of violent action against them. what we've got to do is go over their head. Literally. Literally. To the directly to the people, to the beings, and reach out and establish diplomatic relations with them. And in order to do that,

we have to work ourselves. We have to do more than sit around, you know, watching your television that you can now talk to to, change the channels, and watch 500 different movies that they've got, you know, or, you know, sit on Saturday afternoon,

fill a stadium of 100,000 people to watch the red team and the blue team chase the pigskin up and down the field. You know, except for the longhorns. But what I'm saying is we've got to pay attention. You know, this is the most important thing in the history of the human family to realize that, you know, that there is an extraterrestrial civilization all around us of non-human beings, some of whom may be as much as 8 billion, 8 billion years older than we.

Wow. You know? I mean, our Homo sapient species has been 3. 300,000 years to actually home a ho-hune by four million years but you know that they they the the universe at least according to the ladies james webb info is 13.8 billion years old okay our whole star is only 4.7 billion years old our planet's only 3.5 billion years old right okay and so life on the planet has only been generated over the past you know probably 3 billion years right on our planet, right?

And so these other, they have discovered a galaxy now, an entire other galaxy that they suspect has a trillion stars that is 13.5 billion years old. Wow. Okay? So that there are planets circling those stars in that of the galaxy that could be as much as 8 billion years in advance of us. And they clearly have figured out a technology

by means of which they can move from point A to point B. Not linearly, not let's double the speed of light. You know, it would still take them like 13 billion years to get here. You know, so it's obviously another technology that they have, which has to do with the psychic capabilities. The psychic capabilities of astral travel, you know, by location, the very things that the high mystics of our human species can do. Yeah.

Which means that all of us can do it. You know, over time, and we're evolving teleologically into that point. People don't think about this enough. You know, the fact of the matter is, you know, that there are no more Austriapithecus around our early manifestation of our species. There's no more homo habilis around. You know, there's no more Neanderthal around. Those are phases that we went through in the rising up and ascending along the pathway of evolution here.

We are now at Homo sapien, okay? but we're right on the brink of taking the next step. Yeah. Okay? And the thing that is going to, this is a, I'll tell you, you know, in May of 1968, May of 1968, May of 1968, the long time 50-year head of the Department of Intellectual History at Harvard University, Crane Brinton, was called upon to do his final lecture.

He was going to be retiring. Okay, and he was asked to speak on the most important single intellectual insight that he had ever encountered in all of his years of studying intellectual history. Yeah. And he came together, and there were so many people came to listen to the final lecture. They had to move it into a bigger hall, right? And so that he gets up and he said, I've been asked here in my final lecture after 50 years here at Harvard to address the most important single intellectual. insight that I think I've ever encountered. And he said, this is easy. He said, I'm completely convinced that all the greatest minds of our human family have come to the realization that our human species

is on the brink of our next step in biological evolution. And that the factor that is going to distinguish our homo sapiens from the next iteration of our species is the possession of a faculty like seeing or hearing by means of which we are able to directly experientially encounter the unitive phenomenon that bonds every single ultimately irreducedable integer of matter

in the entire physical universe into one unified harmonic whole and he said and by dint of this experience like seeing or hearing we are able to discern what form of human conduct either individual or collective

is either harmonious with or disharmonious to the natural order of the universe. Wow. And that's why so many of you young men have refused to go fight in this war. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. That's exactly what he said. The difference between an emergency and non-emergency situation can sometimes be hard to spot. An emergency, like breaking a hip, requires a call to 911.

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and others that are much older than we, have had much more time to reflect on these things and have passed into these higher states of consciousness. And this is what they're experiencing right now, and that they're so much more sophisticated and evolved in consciousness than we. And, you know, the people that are terrified about having this experience are the people that are in positions of power. Right.

And so the military and intelligence community view their role as protecting the people that are in positions of power. Sure. And they put it in terms of the institutions and structures. You know, in the stock market. Oh, what's going to happen to the stock market? You know, if all of a sudden you find out that there's an extra thresholdization. Yeah.

Yeah, well, you ought to thought of that, you know. But you ought to spend some time thinking about it and doing something about it to prepare rather than just lying about it and, you know, and saying, you know, I'm not listening, I'm not listening. I'm not looking. I'm not looking. Right. And we've got to rise up here. I mean, our generation, the baby boomer generation, the biggest generation, the best educated

generation in history has got to do something here in the closing chapters of our professional careers, that we've got to help you everything we've learned in all of these 50 years out in the world. We've got to mobilize, organize, and reach out and help educate people and mobilize people to reach out and empower our Congress of the United States in the constitution of our country, that in fact it is the beacon of the world right now. Yeah. You know, and to have some, you know, clinical, you know, malignant narcissist, you know, ruin this whole thing.

Right. We can't tolerate that. We've got to remain peaceful. We've got to organize and educate and mobilize. and we've got to get him out of office, okay? And we've got to get people into positions of power and authority to remedy the damage that he's done already. And then we've got to resuscitate our country, okay?

And we can't just go back to the same old, same old. You know, you can't have buddy, it was popular as Obama was or as Biden was, you know, basically, you know, killing people around the world on behalf of oil, you know, and having to preserve this. the integrity be that, as it may, of the two-party system. Right. You know, by covering up for, you know, Obama said, oh, well, you know, the Abu Ghrabin, all the people

torturing and all that, okay, we've got it totally proven they did. But let's not look back and engage in recriminations. Let's all just look forward. Move forward to that thing. What are you kidding? Come on. I mean, they've done it every single time. Yeah, every time.

They did it in the Pentagon Papers. They did it in Watergate. I don't think it's working. I think because of your work and because of what you're talking about, and maybe because of the influence of what you just described, I just feel like it's fallen apart. It's not working. And maybe that's me being naive. And I've heard Trump, I've heard people describe Trump as this last sad, desperate grasp, gasp from this thing that this, that what you just described in that beautiful speech that you quoted.

It seems like that unit of consciousness is the antithesis of these power structures. Of course, they're opposed to it. But don't you think it's guiding us? Don't you think that in some way? Sure, it is. There's no doubt. And if we can get the religious institutions to reform, because at the base of the mystical traditions, in all of the great religions of the world, the mystical traditions have insights into this very faculty.

Right. You know, this is the means by which they engage in precognition. This is the means by which they levitate. This is the means by which they have telepathic communications. This is the means by which they transmute matter. When Jesus meets with his friends, and he says, here, take this bread and realize that the stuff of which this bread is made up is the same stuff of which my body is made up. Yeah.

You know, and take this cup of wine and know that the stuff of which this wine is made up is the same stuff of which my blood is made up. And if you realize this, you'll know who I am. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you so much for this. Yeah. You were more than welcome.

I got something cool to tell you off, Mike. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Tell me, where can people find you? your podcast? How can people connect to you? How can people help? How can people contribute? Because I want to help me. I want to be part of this. Yeah. Getting this stuff. Yeah. Getting the lid blown off. All people have to do is go on the internet. Go to new paradigm dot, new paradigm institute.org. New paradigm institute.org. And you can sign up to become a member of citizens for disclosure. You know, we're building out the,

groups in every single one of the states and then eventually every single one of the congressional districts, you know, you can become a member of the New Paradigm Institute, you know, I think it's like $5 a month or something if you want. But you don't, I'm always cutting against our own interest. I'll say, you don't have to pay anything, you know, is free, you know, that you can become members of the citizens of the school, will send you the information all for free, who your Congress people are, who their staff people are, here's their phone numbers, here's the, here's the note you want to send to them.

You know, you can contact us. Here's the contact information. We'll answer any question you want. You'll provide you the materials. We'll send you copies of the... I mean, we were sending out copies of the age of disclosure until Dan Herrera called us and told us we had to stop because we were having people out of the country watch this for free.

You know, call your friends and neighbors and put it up on your television. Say, here, wait a say, come here. Take a look at this. Look at this. you know and so that's what we plan to do again if he'll stop threatening to sue us well thank you so much i've been moved deeply by your conversation i really appreciate your time thank you i appreciate getting the chance to do this thank you duncan thank you that was daniel shean everybody don't forget to subscribe to his podcast full disclosure on spotify and check out specter vision's

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