Duncan Trussell Family Hour - 745: The Krishnas Got Us

Episode Date: March 29, 2026

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Welcome, friends. Today we have a very special episode for you. With us here today is one of the great psychedelic adventures of our time. Dakota Went, aka Dakota of Earth, has been sharing his adventures with us on his YouTube channel, Dakota of Earth. Links are down below. This kid has traveled everywhere. He has taken frog poison with shamans in Peru. He is hung out with saints and witches all over the world. And they welcome him like a long-time friend because he is a super cool person. And that's how you feel when you're hanging out with him. His most recent clip on YouTube, which you should watch probably already has, it went super viral, is of him heading out to the Holy City of Varanasi, where he smoked five MEO DMT with various sados, aesthetics, and holy people.

Link down below. You should definitely check it out. And we're all lucky because Dakota has started a new podcast called The Flowerhead Show, which you can find on the Be Here Now Network. It's wonderful. He's wonderful. Subscribe to the podcast. Tune in to the Dakota Wint. stream. It's infinite man. He blew my mind today. We're going to jump right into it, but first, quickly, I'm sorry, we got some dates coming up. Denver, I'm coming to you. I'm going to be at the Denver Comedy Works this weekend. That's March 26th through the 28th. After that, come see me in Rosemont at Zanies. That's going to be April 9th through the 11th. And then after that, April 16th, through the 18th. I'm going to be at the Bricktown Comedy Club in Tulsa. You can find all my dates

at Dunkett Russell.com tour. And also, I'd love it if you would come join me on one of my night streams. It's my newest project. I guess that makes it sound a little more serious that it is. But it is an incredible experience that is now being called by the Pulitzer Prize Foundation, the most powerful live stream on the planet, something that really could save us all. I said something that really could save us all. Pulitzer people said the other thing. Not Pulitzer, Pulitzer. It's a different Pulitzer group, but they're still respected.

And now, everyone, please welcome to the DTFH Dakota Wint. Dakota, how you doing, man? I'm doing very good. How are you? I'm great. I've been looking forward to this conversation for a while. Me too. Man, you, it's got to be weird, right? So you are, you're in Detroit right now, but it's, how do you are, I think the most traveled

person I know personally, you're always in some like strange situation in the world. You're a traveler. And I'm not a traveler, but like the one time I went to India, when I came to, you. back to the United States, like, dude, I was freaked out for a few weeks, like, reintegrating into the West from being in the East. So how does it feel to be in Detroit right now when you, when you, when the world seems to be your home? Yeah, it's a, it is always an adjustment coming home. And especially like just, uh, you come home and you see everybody's neuroses here. Like all, it's all fully politics and there's no conversation that has any depth or meaning.

And when you're gone for a long time and you come back, it's so obvious. Yeah. Like people mad the drive-thru is taking too long. TV is just blaring some, you know, some message that just got you in the loop. And I noticed that a lot coming home, and it takes me about a month or two months. Well, this is actually the longest period I've been home in probably 10 years. I've been home for like three months now and just hanging out with my mom and just relaxing. But yeah, it's an adjustment for sure.

Even just being around my mom, I can see like my, you know, Well, you're in a, it's like we see, you know, people will sneak a camera in the North Korea. And we're like, those brainwash fools. You know what I mean? But it's over, it's like when you say you get used to it, it just means you become, what, toxified enough that any of this shit makes sense. Like you get to a certain place where you're back into the resonance of the United States, which right now is, it's fucked up.

is it's probably been in most people's lifetimes. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, I don't know. I'm in my own world most of the time. Yeah? What is that world? I don't know, you know, just hang out.

I don't really pay attention too much to like the news or all the political stuff unless I have to. Well, you know, right now I'm kind of in it because I went to one of my first times leaving the U.S. I went to India with Ragu and Krishna Das and those guys. They took me up. much on my first trip. And after that, I went to Israel to go see all the Jesus sites. Yes. And I never really did so much with this footage I filmed from there, but I'm going

through all of it now and just kind of reliving it. And I'm visiting, you know, the tombs where Jesus is supposed to have been and this and that, the Abraham. But in the end of all, this pilgrimage I'm on, I end up getting detained by the Israeli military at the tomb of Abraham. Just, what I do? I still don't fully understand why. I guess it's because I had a camera in my shirt and they didn't I had a shirt that said Palestine. And so like, you know. What the fuck? That's how your trip.

That's how your trip to Israel ends is getting busted at a fucking tomb for wearing the wrong shirt. That's where we're at right now. This holy sight, there you are. Completely benevolent. Just exploring this beautiful place. And they fucking are, how to, how to. With a gun. With a gun.

They held a gun on you. Well. I don't fully understand. They didn't explain it to me much. It was just because I had a camera out and I was walking around and I was filming and it's impossible. This is a place where the settlers are a lot. So you see a lot of that. You know that one video of the guy that's like, I'm just, if I don't take it, someone else is going to take it. Yeah. This is like that. This is that area. And so you get to experience that a lot. And they don't want people with cameras, I guess. Even though it's not Israel, you're in a, I'm in a different country in Palestine, but I'm being detained by a foreign military. And I don't want to get all to the politics stuff, but yeah, that's, you know, I'm working out a video of that right now. I don't know if there's any way to talk about Israel without becoming political to some degree. And but you got, I mean, to me, one of the things that blows my mind about Israel and, you know, it's one of the things that will keep you up at night is that, you know, here you have this insane nexus of these world religions. that are landing in this one zone that right now seems like it actually could be the like place that World War III kicks off from. And, you know, people always talk about, you know,

like Sedona, man, it's got vortexes and stuff. And it's like, dude, the Middle East, Israel is the ultimate planetary vortex, right? Like the energy that's swirling, around there is so powerful that, you know, it seems to just be like always emanating history. Always, like, what is going on there? Like, what's your take on that? Well, it feels like we want God to present itself in a nice way. Yes. But I think this is, you know, in the back of like Gita where Krishna reveals his true form? Yes. That's what I kind of see happening.

Yeah. You know, the whole Gita takes on a battlefield. Yeah. And then Krishna, Arjun said, Krishna, you know, you came to me as a friend. You came to me as a charioteer. But, you know, who are you actually? Show me who you are for yourself.

And then all of a sudden, it's like that shriek of a minor chord on a piano. Yeah. The air gets sucked out of the room. And Arjun is just on the ground like, okay, take me back to the battlefield, please. Because Krishna's true form is like, a cosmic mouth killing everything. Yeah.

The whole battlefield's happening in his mouth. And, you know, Arjun is just begging for that to stop. I want to go back to the illusion of the battlefield. And I think God is presenting itself in a way that we're not, we don't have the eyes to see. But I think it's, that's what I see in the world right now. Yeah, you see somebody who needs to floss dead bodies out of its teeth. I mean, this is the description mixed in with like, you know, my favorite part in that verse is when argyna has asked the classic human question i want to see god

let me see god and immediately after seeing god he's like can you go back to not being god i didn't want to see god anymore that's fucked up why did you do that i'm sorry he actually apologizes is immediate the first he i think he just says i am so sorry because they were friends So he was eating in front of you Yeah, I'm sorry for eating in front of you I'm sorry for any way I offended you I'm sorry for what you know Because he's like realized

Who he's hanging out with And then he's like can you just go back I mean the funniest part to me is I think he says Can you go back to your normal Forearmed form? I like you with forearms Not an infinite number of arms Destroying everything

Yeah and you're right I think that's a good take my friend I think that's a good take And I don't think that, I think that, you know, yeah, humanity maybe, there's something exciting about being part of history, but then when history starts happening, you're like, maybe, is there a way to go back to the 90s? Can we have no history for a little bit? Because it's scary as fuck. Well, it's the face of collie, you know.

Yeah, the face of collie. And the, you know, but wouldn't you also say that like somewhere embedded in the impulse to take psychedelics is that very same thing that made Arjuna ask Krishna to show him who he really was? For some people, yeah, I think some people have that, can, you know, use psychedelics that way. Yeah, because you get this sense of, you know, being sort of neurologically blindfolded. You have some general intuition. There's more, right? And then you hear about psychedelics and you're interested.

Like, what could this show me? I want to see more than just this. And then it shows itself to you. And sometimes you can have a similar experience to... Yeah, that is like a psychedelic trip in that moment. It is. Wouldn't you say? It is a psychedelic trip.

And this shows up. I was just listening to some AM radio, like, tent revival. I love tune into those, especially when the statics getting in there. It just sounds so crazy. But this old Southern preacher was citing some part of the Bible. I was unfamiliar with basically, and I don't remember which patriarch this was, I wanted to see God. And God was like, you can't.

It would kill you to see me. And then so in the story God, like, says, but I'll walk behind you. And just that, like, exploded his brain. And so, but it seems like you are just like Arjun in your own way. You are going. We all are. That's true, but not all of us are going to India with DMT and giving it to saints, gurus, shyvites.

But why? Why, why, why, why did you decide? That situation particularly is because I had a... Hold on, you know what, why don't we show the clip in case people aren't familiar with your work? I think most people are by now, but, uh, we'll just show this clip. It worked a little bit, didn't it? Didn't it? Didn't you, you got to see the power of it a little bit, right? Yeah. See, you want to talk, you are personal man.

Yeah. Why I am deciding to your thoughts, I am, Right Ron, you're asking to myself? What is the reality? Yeah, Shiva is a real. That reality, Nata, you are inside. You're not selecting one way, Baba. My... A root means what?

I am asking to you. One root means what? One reality. This is a proof. And he smoked probably three or four times. It's said that the yogis of India are able to achieve these states naturally. So I was curious. to see what would happen.

So, Bhaeroh. Hey, Bhaeroh! Oh, Bhaerom, mama! Hey, blood! So, Sittara. Hey, Sittara.

Hey, Sittara. Hey, Sittara. So, whoa, man. Why? So, long story short, is I met this, I got invited to an ayahuasca center called Arcana that's in the jungle and the Amazon. And I go there and I end up making friends with the owner and the shamans and the pandemic hits and I get trapped there. I think, okay, you know, the airport's closed. Everything closes. Yeah.

All the guests are gone. I'm just with the shamans and a couple of the facilitators. Wow. And I'm there. I'm like, I'll wait a week. You know, how bad can it be? Two weeks. Okay, we're going to open an week okay three weeks it gets close for three months and I have to take a rescue flight back to Miami but so I build a relationship with the people at this center and that includes the owner who he is kind of a shaman in his own way and he uses that's toad from Sonora that yeah yeah and he gives I've watched him give it to I don't know 200 people and he wanted to go to India and this was his goal

you know so I said okay I have some Sadoo friends I'll connect you and we'll see what happens. And we found ourselves in India. And we were in... First, we went to Mogmela. I think it was in Prajajaj. If you know what Prajajaj was where they do the big Kumala and stuff.

So it's like a sacred place. Okay. And we're just hanging out with the sadres there, making friends and explaining it to them. We give it to the first guy. And he, you kind of see his reaction where he freaks out a little bit. He has a normal reaction to someone

that, you know, is experiencing something like, that yeah people freak out sometimes yeah he does it again and this time he kind of gets it and he starts crying yeah and uh he says he sees a fully generated maha vishnu and the place where all the rishis are doing tapas they're meditating and praying for everybody yeah and at one point that's weird too that people skip over he goes god jesus came into my body and was blessing all people yeah yeah it's a weird thing that people skim over when they watch the video well you it's weird, you mean because it's like suddenly he's no longer using sort of like Eastern

representations. Yeah, you're talking about a Mahu fish new and then all of a sudden you say Jesus was there. Yeah. Yeah. Which makes sense, you know, why wouldn't he be there? Right. And then we give it to this Mataji and Bavani, which are like the saddues that I spend the most time with for like the past five years, usually the guys I've been hanging out with. This Mataji and Bavani. And we give it to the Mataji. We're in actually Varanasi on the other side of the river, on the spooky side. And so, again, I think most people who watch or listen to this podcast know about the other side of the Ganges.

But for those who might not know about it, can you just describe it? Yeah, so sometimes they do these cremations in Varanasi, and these cremations have been unbroken for, I don't know, thousands of years, they say. And in this exact spot, people want to die there. They want to be burned there. It is the, it helps you liberate mini-carmas and, you know, reach some kind of spiritual liberation. So people die there. Sometimes people are too poor to even afford the wood.

Yeah. And I don't know how much it is, maybe a couple hundred bucks. But sometimes people can't even afford this. So they just throw the body in the water. Yeah. Body just ends up on the other side or getting pulled in wherever it gets pulled. The dogs come and fight it. They're pulling it out of the shore.

So you see the bodies with just a head or one arm, no, no hands. Yeah. And so we're on this side of the river. And the Mataji is just sitting there and you can see the smoke behind her from the body's burning. And you can see the gunga and it's just the whole life of Arnasi. All the chaos and everything there. Monkeys. Monkeys?

Yeah, monkeys. Yeah, I mean, just to add, just like just sort of the-monkeys, cows, packs of gulls. Yeah, you got monkeys running around on top of everything else. I mean, we're talking like this is just like another planet. This is another dimension. It's very hard to ride your head. Dead bodies. Dead cows, dead cows floating down the river with like birds riding them like edible rafts.

Yeah. That's so true. Yeah, it's good. And we're sitting there and she smokes it. And she just sits there. And then at some point she starts like clearing her throat, but in like an intense way. like, blah, blah. And she goes, hard, hard, Mahadev. And she opens her eyes and goes, success. Yeah, yeah, that was success. It was very. I have the audio of it. It's so funny.

Fascinating. Yeah, that would let me film it. Well, that also was interesting. I think that's really smart. I mean, just, I don't want to, I get it. I don't want someone filming me on Five MioDMT. I get it too. I get it too. It's such a powerful substance. man i i mean we were treating them kind of like uh you know like not i want to say we're treating them a guinea pigs because i didn't look at it that way in the moment but in retrospect i can see that you know like we were curious to see what would happen well yeah bavani i was talking to bavani years i known him at years at this point and i'm telling him you know i'm because i talk to him about i waska and all this stuff and i said okay we're going to show you you know yeah prepare yourself because

this is not hanging out in the cremation grounds this is chemistry you can't you're going to experience something. He don't care. Okay. Give it to me. I'll do whatever, you know. He goes after Mataji. He's sitting there.

And my friend Jose, the shaman, he lights up this pipe. It's a clear pipe. It's like a big kind of, I don't know, some of you see like in a chemistry set or something, like a big clear bulb. And you can see the smoke just clear it.

A completely white cloud inside of it. Yeah. It would send anybody to, you know, outer space. Yeah. most people in this moment immediately collapse. I collapsed when I tried it. I just turned into a corpse.

You lift my arm. It would have just fell right back down to the ground. I had no connection to the body, no nothing. Just dead, basically. Bavani hits it, and he just sits there. There's a picture in the video. I got a snuck a picture, and he's just sitting there. And I'm kind of waiting to see what happens.

And maybe only five minutes, pretty short. he like clears his throat and he opens his eyes and he leans into me and he goes are you happy now? And I was just like oh my God because I knew what he meant

but I didn't want to like I was still even though I knew in the moment my brain was still processing it you know what I mean? Yeah yeah the guru burn that's the guru burn

ouch! Ouch. And, but I'm, you know, I think, you know, people who saw that probably came away with their own conclusion about what he meant. But to you, what do that mean? Well, I've talked to him about it. So, you know, he's explained to me what he meant. And I don't know.

I actually uploaded some audio clip because I record all our audio talks. We talk for hours on the phone sometimes. And I just hit record and sometimes, you know, it's casual. Sometimes it's real deep. And I put some audios in a video also on that channel. But he was just like, what he told me, after he said, are you happy? I say, okay, explain it to me. What did you experience?

You know, tell me. I know it did something. So what happened? And he goes, you get to see some 10-minute light. It comes and it shows you, okay, spiritual power exists. But then it goes and it goes. Yeah. It's gone.

Where's the power? Yeah. He said, that's what he looked at me. And he goes, where is your power from that? You can do it. He told me, you can do it. I'll give you 10 years. You do this.

You do this sadna for 10 years. You smoke your DMT. And at the end of the 10 years, I'm going to give you a patient. And I want you to use your voice, use your eyes. And nothing will work because for this 10 years, you've been sleeping. And he goes, saddu means something different. Sapo, that's what we call it. Sapo means toad in Spanish.

Sapo and sadna. Sadu means light forever. Yeah. Yeah. And I had to, I had, I tried every single little way to fight with him about this. Yeah. Yeah, but it's the white light. This is Brahma loka, you know? This is taking you to the immersive white light.

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within the mind realm, it doesn't matter. The highest of high states is no different from the lowest of lowest of low states because you're still trapped, so to speak, within your mind state, whatever it may be. And like, do you think that's what he was talking about? It's like, what you've done here is you've basically gotten somebody to come in and paint an incredible mural on your prison cell. You're still in prison. Yeah.

It's a great painting, but you're still here. In the audio talks, he's saying, like, there is only one reality. And as long as you're constantly chasing some, temporary vision or something, you'll never realize what that reality is because you're not looking in the proper place. Yeah. You're getting hypnotized by the flashes. And yeah, the flashes are hypnotizing, but like you're just being hypnotized. You have to be, you have to have the strength to examine the thing that is beyond that flash.

What is the thing that's holding all the flashes? Right. Basically, what I think he was trying to point me towards. Yeah. And what the psychedelic is trying to point you towards ultimately. Well, yeah, absolutely. I mean, this is like, so I

what you experience there is obviously runs parallel to Ram Dass's like at that moment you were doing what Ram Dass did with a different psychedelic you're going through India giving it to various people, see how they react and weirdly it led you to a very

similar experience which is that in the way that Niem Krole Baba told Ram Dass regarding LSD you know this will bring you into the presence of Christ but you can't stay there like you come down it seems like this is the general message coming from some of these people which is yeah it's real I mean yeah this is a place and it's something but you don't stay there you're just what are you

gonna do get you can't smoke it put a put a gas mask on that blows 5MEO DMT into your face for the rest of your life at some point you've got to find a way to get here minus the substance or understand where you already are, you know. But this is so, though I do love those stories, and I, I get it, man, I get it. I don't know how many fucking moments of psychedelic-induced enlightenment I've had followed by a few weeks later just being a complete prick.

You know, I don't know. Every time. Every time. Every time. But there is a level to this thing, which is really interesting. and it reminds me of like people racing sports cars or something. It's like the Westerner goes to India with science in the form of psychedelics.

Look at science. Behold, science. And then the Easterner is like, yo, science is nothing compared to my science. You know what I mean? And so then you get a weird kind of dick swinging contest between science and the enlightened mind. and there's something to me in there, if you brush aside all the spiritual teaching in there, which is real,

you probably shouldn't do that, but just for the sake of it, brush it aside, you have one of the most hilariously absurd things happening, which is like just two people. You know what I mean, arguing over the ephemeral reality in a sort of sophisticated way. Do you know what I mean? Like in some existential level, it's pure absurdity.

You know, it's like, you know, different, it's just the same fucking experience. You're human. I don't know, maybe you're wandering around in some clear, translucent light all the goddamn time. But I smoke fucking toad secretions to do it. And don't judge me, bro. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, seriously, that to me.

is what's really, that's what I sort of wanted to ask you about, which is your thoughts on spiritual hierarchy. Because built into all these stories, built into the story of Ram Dass, built into the story of any Westerner encountering the great enlightened being from the East, is an inevitable daddy thing. Daddy is home now and Daddy's going to give you a little spank and then such a you on your right course. Yeah. And do you know what I mean? Do you?

Yeah, yeah, definitely. What are your thoughts on that? Well, it reminds me of like, I don't know if you remember Terrence McKenna saying. He's like, you can, you can go sweep the ashram for, I don't know, however long you want, but your knees will never shake the way they do when you're packing the bowl for the DMT. Yeah. Like, what are you going to do? You know, you're going to donate your life to achieving some kind of awareness or are you going to smoke this?

Yeah. Maybe me. And I used to agree with that. How about neither? Or neither. You know, I'm talking about that. There is, yeah, there is other options. That, that thing McKinna was doing.

It's just the same fucking dick swinging. It's a, it's the dick swinging. It's like, yeah, go ahead and sweep the ashram. I'm going to, nahagras of abominous beauty every day. Yeah. It's like, dude, relax. Like, you know what I mean? It's this, but I love it.

And I'm, I sound like I'm judging it. I have done it and do it. But we're talking about the Western sort of emergent, I don't know, psychedelic religion that in a thousand years will probably be more pronounced and definable, meeting this ancient, an ancient religion that more than likely has its roots some kind of psychedelic from which a lot of the... I think there is a hierarchy. I don't know if hierarchy is the right word to use,

because it kind of is a conflicting word. Hierarchy is like king and peasants or whatever. But I think there are methods that, I don't want to say better, because again, that implies something. But, you know, there are methods that are, for example, I went to Kedarnath, which is like this temple in India. It's like, I think they say Adishankar-Charya built it or something. Yeah.

It's a very, like 2,000 years old. People pilgrimage there to get there. I went with Bhavani and a couple of. other people and it's a 15-hour hike to get to the top wow my friend took the helicopter up there so we met him at the top and me and bavani took the 15-hour walk yeah up and the whole time i'm like what is raining by the way should have taken the helicopter should have taken the helicopter the whole time i'm like jesus dude what am i do i don't i don't even care about this temple why am i you know

I don't know the whole time I'm like my legs I don't know if I can make yeah this is horrible oh god

what am I doing I just go home all the things come up and then by the time I get to the temple I'm like okay I kind of understand a little bit

yeah my friend has didn't have that experience even though we're going to the same place it's like again it's not a hierarchy because we're both at the same place

but you just you get something different if you take steroids first if you go to the stairs stairs versus steroids and yeah, you know, the, yeah, I know what you mean. And, and like, this is, you know, sort of like, the AI trap.

Weirdly, I started using this generative AI, and that drove me into wanting to learn how to do actual art. Like, it, like, it was generating shit that was sort of like what I wanted to see, but a million miles away. and I realized, my God, somehow my garbage sketches that don't look glossy and good at all by any standard are so much better than the best thing. This thing is spitting out because it somehow got me wound up in it. And also the struggle of learning how to draw and the bursts of joy you get when you sort of get to another level, when you understand something you haven't been understanding, this is being taken from you if you fly the helicopter up. you're missing out on this unknown series of thoughts or experiences that happen on the journey, you know, you know, but you both end up at the top of the fucking thing at the temple. You're both there. And the, this is, okay, this is why I'm trying to get up. And I'm not doing a good job, I don't think, but let me try again.

You, you're just such a cool person. and when I saw this encounter, I thought, man, accidentally, this, this person that this actualized being that you know, I think it's, I could just tell from looking at him, you just want to hang out with that dude. He's cool as fuck. He's crazy too. And sure. But also, I got a real sense of like some spiritual version of alpha male dominating. You know what I mean? Like, Alfa, yes. And right at that point, unfortunately for me, that's the crack in the windshield and the whole fucking thing falls apart. Because it's like, dude, Dakota's cool as fuck. And you know what I

mean? Like he could, as far as I could tell, he's as as enlightened as you are. Like, you know what I mean? Like in that, that's where I, that's where I understand that perspective. Trishnamurdy used to do this. And I hated him for it. He would be just, he would just, just be like, what are you doing with this meditation bullshit? Like, why are you complicating your fucking life with this nonsense? Like, what are you doing? What are you trying to fix? Where are you trying to go?

Because both you and him, what are you guys? You both like the light thing, that you like the thing. You're interested in the thing. Oh, we all are. But Krishna-Murdy seems to be saying, who cares about that? You're in the light right now, whether you want. want to be or not. You know what I mean? You're tricking yourself into having these heightened experiences and imagining a destination. The top of the temple. When you're already on the top of the

temple. And maybe that is not satisfying. We want to climb them stairs. You got to climb the stairs to realize it in a way, you know? Like you got to take the hard, you got to do the whole trip to realize, okay, I didn't have to do that to begin with. I think that's just the breaking of the structures that we have. That's just biology and stuff. Yeah. And also just to go back to like these sort of things like Krishna Merti saying this or Bavani having his kind of way of saying it. I think also they're just saying how they see. Even though there is ego, it's kind of it's impossible to escape having some kind of, you know, authority into what you're beliefs and what you're saying. And you can look at it that way as being like, yeah, there's this alpha male kind of presentation to it. But also it's like it's true. let me just really emphasize this I'm sorry if it's like if I seem a little

flipping about someone who I think means a lot to you and I can tell you I'm not offended even a little bit okay great because I feel like in the he is a psychopath I've seen him in many different ways you know I don't look at him as being like this radiant actualized being like you're saying you've seen him what do you mean psychopath I've seen them all go through all types of situations like I've seen him in his in his process of becoming you know in the battle of desadu life you know it's not like it's a right it's a struggle too you know oh yeah oh yeah and

sure like okay we were talking about uh cows and stuff wrangling cows and I told you the first time I ever seen anything like that was when a guy I saw someone chop a cow's head off in India this is where I met Bavani so I'll just paint this picture quickly okay please you You don't have to make it quick. This sounds like a cool story. I'm in Hyderabad, which is a very random place towards the south of India, not like a tantric place or an Agori place, but I was following this Agori guy called Mani Kundin, and he wears these big necklace of human heads, skulls, and really the Agori, you know,

theater. Yeah. And I'm basically joined this circus of Agorris, and we're just traveling around, and they're opening this temple in a village, a Ma Kali, Agu, temple. The way they initiate the temple is to sacrifice a baby buffalo and pour the blood all over the place. Okay.

So I'm like, okay, I'm here for this. I'm curious to see. And I don't look at these guys again as being like some Buddhas or something. I'm seeing them on their phones and taking selfies and the whole thing. Yeah. It's a circus. Yeah. And they have me joining it.

You know, they got me in the human ash. I'm all white and wearing like a little red thong. And they got me. Look, the Baba has a... American followers. Yeah. American. They got me presented like the token a gory foreigner.

Yeah. Everyone's hypnotized by the ceremony. They got the, you know, the whole thing going on. The skulls, the fire. Yeah. And I'm there maybe a week at this exact temple. And the day comes to kill the buffalo. And they bring the buffalo in.

And it's like mid-seremony. We haven't playing the drum. The smoke is, you know, rubbing your eyes and things. all the smoke in the room. And it's a serious part now. And I was taking you serious because you're about to kill this animal, you know? I'm about to watch kill this animal.

And they bring it in, and they're holding it by its leg, and they were just, like, giggling like schoolboys, and they were taking selfies, and they were taking pictures of me. And I was just like, I don't know, it just felt so disrespected that you're about to offer this life. And you're not, you have zero focus to what's happening right now. This is a, you know, a theater for us watch, for the people watching and for the Facebook

people watching and stuff. Yeah. But it's real. You're about to kill this animal. Just got a super chat. Hold on. Don't. Let me just do the super chats.

Then we'll cut this fucking Buffalo's head off. He was live just now. Before we got on the thing, the, so gory was live on YouTube. And, you know, no problem against him. He was interesting to hang out with. He meditated on his mom when she died. There's videos of him sitting on top of his dad. mom. So, you know, he's doing something. I can't judge that, I guess.

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and I just close my eyes. And in my head, I'm, you know, like, fuck, if they're not going to be here with you as you leave your little baby buffalo body, I'm here. Yeah. You know, I know I look stupid. I can hear them taking pictures of me and laughing. Yeah.

And one of the little weasel Gogori guys, I can still see his face. He comes up and he like taps me real hard. And he goes, what are you doing? And I said, I'm praying. And he goes, this is not how you pray. And everyone in the temple laughed. And then they cut the buffalo's head off.

They take the head and they pour the blood all over the Kali statue and they're all screaming and playing their drums. And I just sat there and took it. I walked outside. And at this moment, I was like, I hate India, you know. This is, I can't. I've been in India like five years at this point. And I've given it such a genuine attempt. And no matter which direction I go, this is kind of what I met with.

I've tried. And like this is my last attempt. I'm, you know, maybe before. I don't know. Maybe they're myths or maybe before. I don't know. Kali, you. Yeah.

I go outside and there's like a tent and stuff and it's dark. And I just go sit down and there's one person outside just sitting there. And I walk over and that's Bavani. And that's how I meet him. He's just sitting there. And I end up just talking to him. Cool. And he's telling me, too, he's being very honest.

He goes, you know, this is not real a gourd. You know, this is just, I go, yeah, I know. You know, I know, obvious. Yeah. And he was there the same as me just because he heard about the temple opening and he wanted to come experience it. That's cool. Yeah, because what you described just sounds to me like a fraternity initiation.

It just sounds like a bunch of dudes jerking off on crackers and eating the It is. They tried to initiate me. I was like, Of course they did. That's gotta get you. That's the idea. But it's not, yeah, it's, it's, it's, this is like, you know, Kali Yuga is, for those of you who might not be familiar with what that means, we are in the final age. This is the age of disintegration. Everything's falling apart. People are just dumb, dumb. It's just dumb and confused and lost. And so you would, so you would, so you say,

see the manifestation of confusion wearing the sort of costume of non-confusion, which makes it even that much more confusing because it's like these surely here, they've figured it out. Then you realize, no, there is zero difference between this and any other group of bro is hanging out, except generally in the West. They barbecue. You see it after the head has been cut off. you don't see the literal head getting cut off. And they reacted to you like the way some bros would react to like a vegan and a barbecue.

Like, where are you fucking doing? Why you don't like fucking barbecue? Hey, we got a vegan over here. Come on. Have a hot dog. Yeah. And that's it. And so then you see this everywhere now.

It doesn't matter. It's literally you see it in the presidency. You know, you see the fucking president's psycho loon. just the whole regime is fucking nuts you see it in regimes around the world you just see that people are wearing a costume now that used to not be a costume or it it was like it was real and now everything is being revealed as illusion and where does that leave us well it leaves us with what we were looking for to begin with in some weird way yeah yeah except like you said like you don't have to to the temple but you got to go through that to realize it so it's bringing us you got to do the

whole thing to realize it which is such a paradox you know like my meditation teacher god help is god help him david nick turn um we're just eating sandwiches and you know how these like vodriana people are like they just they slip the heavy shit under the door man you don't even you have no you you don't even it's easy to miss or just seeing there eating sandwiches in like just this mundane sandwich shop and he looks at me just kind of like in a half-handed way he's like you know everything's a temple right duncan like everything's a temple and then just went back to eating the sandwich and i've thought about that for fucking years after that you know that but but you don't want like this is isn't this the whole like um game we're playing with ourselves which is you don't want it not No, I don't want this to be a temple. I want this to be profane. I want, because if this is profane, I can escape it into the temple.

But it's like, no, there isn't, you know, it really isn't a better side of the Ganges. It's all fucked up on either side of that river. I mean, like, on one side you got washed up corpses of people who couldn't afford to get cremated. on the other side you got people fucking making money off of wood to burn bodies yeah um you know what i mean you know what i mean like you keep going further out you got people making bombs to blow up kids you know so both sides of the river you this is another stupid buddhist joke i've heard which is you've heard this i'm going to do it i'm sorry a guru teacher is on one side of the river his student is on the other. The student yells across the river to the teacher. I want to go, I want to get to the other

side. And the teacher says, you are on the other side. That's good. Man, but all that all that bullshit aside, man, you, you really are like one of the coolest people I know. Like, you're one of the coolest people I know too. Get the fuck out of here. I was at a rodeo last night. You're watching. You're and the heads get lopped off of baby buffaloes and a gory temples. You know what I mean? And I have the audacity. Be like, pthoey,

it's all just a nothing. It's like, dude, it is something. Like my stupid neurotic brain tries to break it all down just to, just because that's what it does. But really, man, really,

you are inspiring to people because you did it. You broke free. You've untethered yourself from being localized. And you now travel. the world hanging out in the most exotic places, having like experiences that are transcendent, that are in some ways, remind me a little bit of like HP Lovecraft.

You know, that you are in real, you put yourself in dangerous, I worry about you. I see some of your videos, I'm like, what the fuck is he doing? What's he gonna do? They're gonna eat him. Like, you know, literally, like what's he doing? So tell me, tell me what, for the,

localized folks out there. I'm, I'm, I'm not, I'm not going anywhere. I got a bunch of kids, but I think a lot of people want to do what you're doing. How'd you get, how'd you get going there? How did you make this work? How did you figure out a way to, let's hear it. Well, you know, started with Myspace, you know, it was like a Myspace kid. Yeah. So I had like the MySpace friends, and then the MySpace generation opened up, like, music. So, like, now all of the, you know, the evolution of punk happened, and you get emo or hardcore music or screamo. So, like, this is kind of my upbringing in Detroit,

going to all the different hardcore and punk rock shows and playing music. Okay. And then I end up working for a music festival called Vans Warp Tour. Okay, sure. I spent five years traveling this tour. And yeah, I mean, so like I'm on this tour and I'm kind of in the realm of social media because I'm the generation that it was given to, you know? Yeah. The first one is pretty much.

And so this whole time I'm maintaining, you know, sort of that social media train. I'm following it and I'm interested in the followers and all that kind of stuff. Yeah. So I'm doing that and I'm making skits with my friends, funny stuff. And then I meet a monk on Warp Tour. There are these high Christians that are traveling the tour every year they travel. Yeah. And they distribute the books and have their VIP passes that say like Krishna or something on it.

And I just found my, well, I had a mushroom experience and I didn't have anyone to talk to about it. So I'd like, you know, just bother these guys. Well, explain what happened to me, you know? Yeah. And I end up just being friends with them. Yeah. Next couple years, I end up living with them in the van on the tour. And it's just a, you know, funny story.

And then that's so cool. That's when, actually, I don't even know if you remember, but at some point, I see these Ram Dass retreats, and I'm now in the, you know, in the Krishna temples and stuff, and I'm exploring psychedelics of spirituality. Naturally, you get led to Ram Dass. Yeah. I'm watching Rogan podcast and your podcast and all these people that are sort of in this sphere. And I send you a message on Twitter. I said, Duncan, can you, how do I go to one of these retreats? And you give me Ragu's email.

Ah, cool. So there's a weird circle here that I end up going to Ragu response. It says, yeah, come to the retreats. Oh, cool. That's so cool. I go to the retreats, and then I go to Maui. That's where you get married. We're with Ram Dass.

You just got married. I think I show up maybe a day or two after you're married. Yeah. We're all at this beautiful resort. Yeah. That's so cool. Then I go to India with Krishna Das and Ragu and all them because of your connection. I bet we've been hanging out for so many lifetimes and always are crossing paths in this weird way.

It's so cool, man. And the, okay, well, because here's another parallel. I don't know if I told you about this, but this, so at one point I went to the West Coast and ended up hanging out with the devotees. And this is where I had like what, to this day, I think was like the one, I don't know, know i don't want to say it was a it was an actual i don't know man like real contact with the divine and uh at a harry krishna temple during jamaastomy and it really like broadsided me man i because it was like you know any i i don't i'm curious about your thoughts regarding this but

the thing itself is not what you expected it to be because if it was what you expected it to be you wouldn't it wouldn't have any effect on you it you can't really conceptualize it until you experience it so then i have this experience of like you know the deities that you know that of course with my western mind and wanting to in my own way alpha male anything spiritual to control it and all that bullshit my own ego oh look at these fools and their deities and the depictions of this and that Why not go to Madame Tussotso's Wax Museum and bow to a William Shatner Mannequin, you fools? You know, that kind of bullshit. But then, I don't know what happened.

But I'm just looking at these deities, and then all of a sudden, they didn't look like deities anymore. Like in the normal way, they look like something else. Like, I can't explain it. Some kind of hyperdimensional extrusion into time space. And then suddenly, my first thought was, oh, this. is like a oh this is the most advanced technology i've ever seen in my fucking life like this is a spaceship that's just what my dumb brain that's the closest corollary it had was like star trek episodes or something and then and that's when i realized oh my god we're looking at some kind of like

this is the way that a transcendent um intelligence has decided to push into our reality and it just looks like these deities that are way way way different than what I thought they were. And so that for me was probably the beginning of something. You know, that was because once you have an experience like that, you're never going to forget it and you're always going to be different.

It's going to be hard to forget that. And so that's really cool that both of us, that, you know, we're lucky. The Krishna's got us. That's what I'm calling this episode. Josh, will you write that down that Krishna's got us? They will get you. By the way, they'll get you.

And not in a bad way. It's funny, because I hated them for so long after spending time in the temples, and I'm now coming back around, which is hilarious. Well, organized religion. I mean, give me a fucking break, dude. I mean, no matter what, a bunch of people hanging out together is annoying inevitably. And, yeah, all the things that are true and all the stuff. Back to your point about these mortis.

Because Bavani, you just triggered a memory. One time I was with Bavani and at a temple. where he stayed mostly. In the middle he starts staying in a temple for a prolonged period called bin diacalparvat and there's a gory temple there, Maakali temple. And I'm there one day and he starts explaining to me the mortis. Because yeah, they're just statues. You know, why not go to a wax statue or something? What's the difference? Because, you know, as a Western, I see, I don't look at that at the difference ultimately. I mean, yeah, totally because I see everybody doing this to it, you know, but if I just saw it in a wax statue, I wouldn't know any difference, you know,

between you. But he tells me, he goes, you don't understand these are secret codes that if you begin not only in the temple and each individual morti, but let's focus on one more tea. Ma Kali, okay, you have Ma Kali here. Now, each aspect of Ma Kali has a message hidden in it. So you meditate on each message, and then you zoom out and you have the understanding. So it's like a mandala. You focus, okay, the head means this, the weapon means this she looks like this because of this and you could spend an entire lifetime meditating on this

you don't even need to explain it to you come to your own conclusions but eventually so you look at all these individual pieces you step back and then the code unlocked you say okay shit now I see that it's not just a statue this is a transcendental object that is presented itself as as as this silly form you know yeah yeah Jesus in the same way you know Jesus on the cross is the exact same method

Yeah. Well, I mean, that's the writing on the walls, man. That's like this some kind of like ancient graffiti like written on the walls of time that, you know, that functions in so many different levels. There's another awe-inspiring thing about it is that if you want it to just be some kind of sentimental thing, if you want it to be, it's always teaching you. It might be teaching you in a kind of like nihilistic way, which is like, look, how. foolish humans are they bow down to statues oh idolatry it might be teaching you in a kind of bacti way which i don't give a fuck what this symbol means i love it i don't really care i'm fully in love with this thing or it might be teaching you on on a philosophical level too but that's that you know that's these things like they just have that quality to them is they they they they you can they're you can translate them into lots of different teachings. It's so... The Buddha would give like a million prescriptions depending on who came to him.

You know, you come to him and it'll give you this prescription and then you'd be like, wait, you said this, you know, you'd go to the doctor, you don't have, not everyone gets the same medicine. There's one time where Buddha's talking to a bunch of sages and he tells them this truth. And the truth is just the letter A. Ah, and they all get enlightened in this moment. So it's like, yeah, whatever, you know, wherever your level is at is how you're going to experience it.

You gotta be fucking kidding me, dude. Okay, hold on. I'm gonna really try to compress this story. And I've told it a lot of times, so I'm sorry, but dude. Okay. So after my mom died, I sat on her body. After my mom died, I sat on her body for five weeks. I'm just kidding.

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And thank God I was friends with him. And he, like, knew what I was going through. And just called me. I was like, just come to this thing, Duncan, like, and I was so depressed. I was like, really think, I don't, I didn't want to get out of bed. And he's like, just buy the plane ticket. Just, that's all you got to do. Just don't, that's your only job right now.

Just get the ticket and come out here. So I go out there, long and short of it is he ends up taking me to Ram Dass's house. And then all of a sudden, like, my like grief-stricken, depressed ass is in Ram Dass's swimming pool with Roshi Joan Halifax, Ram Dass, Ragu. they're just it's Lila you know they're just laughing

throwing this tennis ball just you know this kind of like you it's very hard to encapsulate what that's what you've got a Zen Roshi carrying Ramosas

around in her arms like a kid he's laughing these are old friends but it's just so the energy there it's Hawaii too it's fucking beautiful

and I'm just I felt like a vampire I felt like you know, just some like wraith floating in their pool. And, but for like the first time since my mom died, I suddenly felt okay. Like, I can't even explain it. It was just like this weight lifted off of me.

And right when that happened, Ram Dass turns and looks at me. And he goes, ah, it was so weird, man, and so cool. Like he knew or something, you know, or he felt it or I don't know what. So to hear you say that was like a whole. that was the whole teaching is really curious to me really curious wow yeah it speaks you know like it's the guru keeping its promises you know like they say the bardos when you're in the barthos that they're all meditating over your body yeah hoping that the prayers crack through yeah yeah i think these little moments like that that's how i interpret them is that this it's cracking through

yeah yeah cracking yeah cracking through i mean the brain over your body right now and as you're giving you the messages yeah yeah done do you ever something that like during the pandemic really started disturbing me i think a lot of us went crazy during the pandemic and um in kind of low level ways the kind of mild psychosis swept through the everyone's having like the overlook hotel experience we're still in it yeah you're right so glad you said that in fact i would say we're we're we're like we're like we're like Like, yeah, we're, with grief, you know, there's a place, the, the, probably the most dangerous, probably that one of the most dangerous or potentially like dangerous parts of grief is when you don't realize you're grieving and you think you're done.

And you're not even close to being out of the fucking woods. But you, just because it's so unbearable, you sort of just decide that this experience is reality. oh that's where shit can get really weird i think that's where we're at like with the pandemic like we're at the place we're like yeah what all fine what everything's fine and that is such a fucked up place where you really will embarrass at the least you'll embarrass yourself but yeah man the i'm curious what youth when you say it the prayers cracked through under the bardo during the pandemic, I started having this sense of like, wait, is this the, is this actually the Bardo thought, are we dead? Is this death? Is this what death looks like? Is this, I'm only talking

to people on Zoom. I'm only talking to people remotely. Is this just the Bardo and the way you talk to people who are still in the earth realm is you think you're having a Zoom meeting with them or something? Do you know what I mean? Like, how do you, I think so. Do you ever wonder if you're in the bardo right now that this is actually i think this is in the in the bardos it talks about the winds of karma and i think that's what we're experiencing right now and actually through these you know that's what we're this is the momentum of that and it's presenting itself in a really curious way but i think what else could it be you know the winds of karma it's just blowing us and we are you know building it into a story which is going to propel us into the next experience i mean there's it for like i know

people and it's wild who say they don't believe in fucking karma and it's always been as i've always scratched my chin at that but maybe it's a misunderstanding of what it's a misunderstanding i think yeah cause and effect causality you know you don't believe in causality but when you when you sort of look at what's happening which is like somehow we are all being blown by carmic winds that go all the way back to the destruction of the fucking temple in Israel. We're being buffeted by winds that go so far fucking back right now and are only now coalescing in this global moment. And so this global karma is flowering right now, which is, you know, people say that's

actually really good. It's better that your karma manifests and you burn it out. then it stays under the surface to ambush you later down the line, right? Yeah. Well, as you're talking, I'm remembering the Kedarnath climbing and all the purge of emotions bubbling to the surface. And I think that's what we're experiencing culturally. And really, if we're talking on like metaphysical levels,

it might not even be happening outside of ourselves. This is just the archetype of the winds presenting itself. And this might only be a moment, you know, it might not even be anything actually happening. when you talk to metaphysics of it. Right. Yeah. Like this might just be a flash that it seems long.

Yeah, right? That is what it is. I mean, definitely that's what human life is, right? It is a flash. It's a very long, weird dream. Yeah. Clearly. Like, I mean, just think of your life.

I think of my life. I look back at all the different chapters of my life. None of it makes much sense at all. And, but, it's dream logic your life you're here we are you're in Detroit you were not that long ago watching a cow's head get lopped off you were hanging out with the goreys wearing a thong you know what I mean this is dream stuff you wake up from you you wake up from that dream you're like dude I was living in Detroit but before that I was like hanging out with the gories and I was on the warp tour

and you know someone who hears that dream yeah we're a fucking dream you want some coffee it's the constant surrender to a thought and then we confuse the thought with reality we're giving the authority

to the thought as it presents itself so there's really only one moment happening but as it morphs and changes we say oh yes this is it this is it this is it the same thing with the psychedelics we're hypnotized by the flash

of the mind's presentation yeah but it's just nothing you know it's just the winds of karma moving and it's for some reason it bubbles up as an archetype as the temple or something you know maybe these things didn't even happen before maybe they did you know I don't want to dismiss any reality but on some level this is all just archetypes in our conscious mind bubbling up it's like uh well okay so like in the okay the book of genesis seven days the seven days the seven day God rested, right? Like, that's what we're in the seventh day. We're in the seventh day of

creation, meaning this is the dream of God after God sort of like unfolds into the stuff. And now we're this dream. And in this dream, we're all having this dream. It's a God, it's, to quote Kanye West, it's a God dream. And we're experiencing this thing that is garish, ridiculous, absurd, easily comedic if it wasn't so disastrous. You know, it's this dark comedy, I guess you could call it. And I see what you're saying. It's like you still are the consent part. You could argue I didn't, I didn't ask to be born.

But where you're consenting to this is what you just said by buying in. You buy in. We're all buying into it in some way, right? You don't have to buy in. You could just let the- You said it's suffering when you don't know your suffering? Yeah. Which word you use?

But it's like we're in it. We don't know we're in it. Yeah. But we're choosing to be in it. We're choosing to be in. Yeah, it's such a paradox. I think the spiritual world, if it's paradoxes, you're getting close because it's never going to make logical sense. You know, at some point you just have to say, yeah, God's a blue kid playing with cows.

And that's the truth. And I'm surrendering to that. The Krishna's got us. Yeah. God is a blue kid playing with cows. And what do they call it? What is, gosh, what's the name of that place? What's, what's Hari Krishna having called?

Golocha Vrindavan or something, what's it called? Something like that, yeah. And this is all emanating out from that, from the lila of this mischievous, amazing kid. And that's what this is. It's just the effulgence of this. If you can accept that, you'll understand everything. everything probably it's yeah yeah absolutely yeah I mean it's just but that that's the coolest thing about channing Hari Krista isn't it is that it if you don't encounter the Weishnaiva mythology and like roll your

eyes at it like give me a fucking break shut the fuck up this is what this is like some kind of like kids cartoon you're talking about here you're talking about here the kids cartoon cold and lives in up a mountain what are you talking about Get the fuck out of here. But then you start chanting Ari Krishna. You could just do that. And then all of a sudden, you're like, tell me that story about that kid holding up a mountain again.

You start wanting to hear the stories. You know, and then you start hearing the stories and you realize like, oh, fuck, fuck. Who am I to judge holding up a fucking mountain? Who am I to judge that shit? When I've been like, you know, when I've been completely engrossed, in whatever the ridiculous drama that's being presented to me in popular culture is,

I can't believe what they're doing to Britney Spears. You've been worried about what they've been doing to Britney fucking Spears. You're going to judge people for like talking about a kid holding up a mountain? What about you? We all do it. You know, it's just which thing do you want to plug into? You know, that is sort of the, maybe that is the exciting thing about this stuff, right, ma'am? I'm playing with the idea of going back to Jesus.

Jesus Christ, the son of God? Jesus Christ, the son of God. I feel like that's the real tantra. You know, Bavani, this is a weird moment. When Bavani took me to the cremation grounds, and he goes, we're going to have Darsh on in the cremation grounds. Yeah. And we go there, and immediately he ignores the fires,

and he walks away from me. So I'm trailing behind him just like, okay, you know, the darshan. Which fire is a darshan in? You know, don't walk away yet. And he goes and sits down and ignoring me completely. He's just, he's not even looking at the bodies. He's looking at the gunga and the sky and just not paying attention, you know. I thought we were coming here to get a lesson.

Yeah. The cremation grounds. And there's a bunch of flowers on the ground that I guess fell off a body. And he picks one up and I'm just watching him. and he's like just holding this merry gold flower and he looks at me and he goes you don't get it true spirituality is about loving your mother and I'm just like what the hell dude I'm looking around at all the bodies and this ash floating through the air and so he always tells me too he says your mother is your first guru and I've just been like really playing with this idea and I've been visiting this collie temple here in Detroit and I'm just really reflecting on what this

Your mother is the first guru. Yeah. And I'm playing with this idea in the shower I just had yesterday that if my mother is my first guru, then I need to, this is the way God took form. It presented itself brought me into the world in the form of a mother. So what is she teaching me? What is the way that my mother in this culture presented God to me? It presented it as Jesus.

It presented it to me with the word God. So like in this weird way, I'm like, okay, maybe they're, I'm rejecting this. this part of myself and that's where I need to look is by saying okay yeah God is is the kid playing is the blue boy playing with the cows but that's not the version it presented itself to me and this the first time when I came to the world that said I'm this 33 year old man bloody crying on the cross for you yeah and can can I accept that that is God and I think if I can if I learn to do that I think there's a secret in there so well I mean I'm still struggling with it but well but that's part of that is, I mean, this is like, oh my God, you, I had a bishop baron on this podcast some time ago.

He's awesome. The blowback that I got from having a Catholic bishop on the podcast was like infinitely more. I've had like the satanic priests. no problem I probably would have been in the comments saying the same thing a few years ago dude it was so spectacularly weird to me which is like wait so this thing is intolerable to you now I did get a good explanation

which is somewhat of a rarity on Reddit but I did get a good explanation of that which is you know a lot of us have religious trauma Like the reason that like we see the priest or someone wearing those clothes, we don't associate it with what your hippie ass associates it with. We associate it with like our parents telling us. We're going to hell because we're fucking gay, you piece of shit. Don't act like worthy to pray. You don't know what we went through.

That's how the Christians get us. Yeah. I mean, I had to come to Jesus moment there just from that Reddit comment. I'm like, oh yeah, I get it. What a dick. I'm being a dick, of course. A lot of people, their encounter with Jesus is not. not like I wouldn't even call it an encounter with Jesus.

It's an encounter with like somebody putting a Jesus puppet on their clenched fist and beating you in the fucking face with it. So, but all that being said, who said any of this was going to be easy? And of all the people who like announced that, yeah, people are going to take this and completely misconstrue it and they're going to use it to hurt you. And there's going to be false prophets. And they're going to, they will come to me and I'll say, I don't know you. I don't know the fuck you are. This is in there. It's in it's in there. It's

encoded in there, which is like if you think that this is going to be presented in a clear-cut way, you, it's not. This is going to be corrupted, warped, twisted beyond comprehension. And that's what I love about it is it's right there in it. It's like, yeah, you want to know why some like parent like made you feel like an infernal piece of shit for your whole childhood. It wasn't Jesus. It wasn't Jesus that was doing that to you. It was somebody who had misconstrued the whole damn thing. So I, I've, I agree with you, man. It's just we want, in the West, we want flashy shit, dude. I want to go, I want to, I want to go to, I want to see some weird shit, man. Not go to a church. Even though you go to a church, it's weird as fuck. You know what I mean?

Like go to any Catholic church. It's like, I'm sorry. What's going on there is a, as weird as weird can be. It's beautiful. But it's just as weird as a gory. It is a gory. I mean, what is Jesus, drinking blood and eating flesh? Eating flesh.

It's a gory, it's some kind of like, yeah, bacti, a gory, like, like, just crazy thing. I just don't think people realize that, like, you know, as an adult, you should at least, like, if you're going to be open-minded about this stuff, you can't close off like an entire lineage just because, like, you had a weird running with it when you were younger, you know? That being said, I get it, dude, it is fucking annoying. Christianity.

I just started reading the Bible. What? I never read it my whole life. I never read the Bible my whole life, and I just started reading it. Where did you start? I started in Genesis and I couldn't make it through. I was like, okay, Abraham's having, telling Sarah, she's going to have a baby at 91 circumcision.

I was like, I don't understand any of this. It's too weird for me. And my friend was like, just open to the gospels at any page. It's okay, open whatever. Open to John. And it's a part where John is being like all these people, he's talking about God. And everyone's like, who are you to talk about God? What are you, some prophet?

No, I'm not a prophet. What are you the Messiah? No, I'm not the Messiah. Then who are you to talk about God? and he just goes, I'm a voice crying out in the wilderness. Yeah. And that's where I was like, holy shit, I just closed it. And then for like six more months, I didn't touch the Bible again.

And then I've just slowly now been making my way through it. I finished Matthew. Yeah. It's completely different than what they taught us. Yeah. Is completely different than what I was told he was. Oh, my God. Yeah, of course.

I mean, you can't incorporate the, you can't incorporate. at least the Jesus that I've encountered in the Gospels into like late stage capitalism. Those two do not mix at all. It doesn't fucking mix. That's why you've got to like, you got to take it as a scaffolding upon which you can hang all the stuff that makes you somehow feel okay blowing up kids. because that ain't in there. You're not going to find anywhere in there

where Jesus is like, you know, sometimes you've got to blow up kids. It's just part of the part of life. Sometimes you've got to blow up kids. Not in there. You're not going to find anything in there like that. And how the fuck do you run society, a truly Christian society would not look like the society we're in right now? And at all.

And ironically, he's almost the perfect teacher for the experience that we're going through. right now. Like the wars, like the capitalism, he's flipping the tables, and he's saying, you know, love your enemy. It's like all the messages we need to hear right now as a collective is, is, it's the religion of our people and we don't even have no awareness of it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, also it's sort of one, maybe one difference in that cosmology and the Eastern cosmology is it illustrates an opposing force. Satan. And the opposing force.

force is clever and in co-ops. It's a co-opting intelligence that anything that could work against it instead of directly fighting it where it fucked up with the crucifixion. It was like that was a mistake. The crucifixion it fucked up. And this is why the book of John is really interesting. That's my favorite book of the New Testament. The book of John, I read about this on Wikipedia. I didn't interpret this from the book of John, but in Matthew, so Matthew, Mark, and Luke, these are the synoptic gospels. They're all the same events. The book of John is interesting. This Methodist pastor, I happen to be sitting next to on a fucking plane, broke it down for me. The book of John, when their descriptions of events happening, they will, they talk about the

smells in the room. They, as though this person was there. Like, that's what's one of the differences. Another difference is in the synoptic Gospels, the victory is Jesus rising from the dead on the third day. In the book of John, the victory was the crucifixion. It was the crucifixion was the ultimate victory over the forces of darkness because if all you can do is execute somebody who's speaking the truth, you have defeated yourself. That you didn't beat them logically. You didn't beat them philosophically. You didn't beat them. You just killed them. which is the most weak response there could be. And then via that execution, you propagated the,

you basically just released that energy eternally rippling into time. It's over. You're never going to recover from that. And so the new version of the opposing force is not so much, let's crucify Jesus. It's like, let's weaken at Bernie's Jesus. That's what we'll do. We'll fucking go around with a Jesus puppet that's like, you know what I mean, that that's saying crazy shit about how it makes sense we're dropping bombs in Iran. And you know what I mean? Like that's pretty brilliant. It's still too late. It's brilliant. It's brilliant. What's more brilliant than that? It's like you don't need to change. Listen, you don't need to change it all. Jesus doesn't want you to be kind in the real way. Jesus doesn't want you to like help actually help. the poor.

Jesus doesn't want you to really do that. Not in that way. And we've got to have laws. We've got to have laws. You know, like that's what it's doing now and it's fit. So people can march around fully being like just completely numb and okay with

all the violence in the world and also tell themselves Oh. I know. It's a good one. It's a good one. doing it's a good trick hey look it's a good trick you know what i mean i'm not saying like and both can be true in some weird way too what do you mean i mean you can you can also like you can also feel a christian in your heart and feel the love of jesus and still be manipulated into accepting these behaviors

100% both both can be simultaneously true like that you can be coerced into supporting killing kids with bombs and do and also i am a christian a hundred percent i mean this is like i mean i mean that's how they get you, I guess, right? That is the manipulation, is that they know that is in your heart. You got to go back to, like, the people who are directly hanging out with Jesus. So these people, they're literally, like, hanging out with this figure that, you know, would, would shape culture for thousands of people forever, probably, until everything's gone. And so they're in the direct presence. And every single one of them, every single one of them, every single one of them, like completely fucked up. Like, you know, this is, uh, Josh, who's the one that Jesus

said, you will be my rock? I'm going to build the church on you. Peter. So, um, this is, so this Methodist pastor I met on a plane, he said to me, this story is really interesting because Jesus says to Peter, you know, do you love me? But the actual translation, there's all these different kinds of loves or like erotic love like like a friend or like the way you love the divine and I think Jesus was asking him do you love me as though I'm God and Peter's response was like no I love you're my friend dude that was the response and so this is a person hanging out with Jesus, who's like, chill out, man. Like, we're, we're friends.

I could be mis-translating this, but- Arjuna eating with Krishna. And this, of all the disciples of Jesus, Jesus said, you are the rock upon which I'll build my church. Because he's honest, and he's like, nah, you're not God. And so the response is, yeah, you're the one for the job. You'll be the rock. You're making the church.

And then you look at, like, who's the one who said, I don't know him, Josh. Josh is our resident Catholic. Denied him three times. Was it also Peter or no? Joseph. It doesn't matter. Who cares? Like, the name matters. Frank. One of his disciples, Frank.

Peter. Oh, it's fucking Peter. Yet again, another, like, complete fuck up. He's, like, eating with Jesus. And Jesus's like, shut the fuck up. You're going to say you don't know me three times by the, tomorrow morning. And Peter's like, how could you say that?

And then sure is shit Someone's like you know that guy? He's a criminal I don't know that fucking hippie Some fucking hippie Dirty hippie Should go take a shower I don't know him

And so yeah This is like This is actually encoded within the whole story Is the natural response To that thing in your heart Which is you're not going to believe it You're gonna deny it

You're going to trick yourself into thinking You haven't experienced it You're to do everything you can to avoid it You're going to sell it out you're not going to you're going to have to poke your fucking finger in its blow the holes in its hand and even then you're going to i don't know and that sort of you know i think illustrates the general human response to the transcendent in all forms is like nah that's not real that didn't happen to me i don't feel that i love it it's so deep it's so deep and i never i never appreciated it yeah well i mean it's also scary you know that's the thing that scared me about bakdi yoga was

like you realize like oh my god this could consume me completely like you feel the you know like when you're going out in the ocean and you realize you've gotten pulled further from shore than you expected i think there's something in christianity that also triggers that in people where it's like if you go too far man you're not coming back you're you're not coming back and it's and if you don't come back you're going to get rejected by the world the world will not like you the world did not Jesus says if you want to follow me, you have to hate your family. That's a crazy quote. You have to hate your mother.

You have to hate your father. You have to hate your kids, he says. You have to hate everything if you want to come with me. I remember reading that and be like, that's a good statement. Is that what he said, you got to hate your kids and your family? Yeah, hold on. Let me read it directly. That way I, or maybe who you're with, maybe they know.

Josh, did Jesus say you got to hate your kids? It's a crazy statement, right? Hold on. Let me find the exact quote. Sounds like a New York Times article. In Luke 1426, Jesus tells the disciples that they must hate their family. Let me try to see if I can find the example. Hold on, I lost you. Can you hear me?

Yeah, say that again. Okay, so in Luke 1426, Jesus says, if any man come to me and hate not his mother, his father, his wife, his children, his brothers and sisters, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple. Josh, pull up one of those things with the direct. Let's get the actual word for hate here. It's an interesting one. Just to be certain.

It's big in the ocean. It's the middle of the ocean, is what you're talking about. It's called taking your kids to the grocery store. Pull up. Take your kids to, take your family to, take your family, have a four-hour layover in the Atlanta airport, and you'll become a Christian. signify a more priority work. Okay.

Yeah. I like to hate one. It's more dramatic. Well, there you go. Whoever fucking translated that was like, fuck it. I hate my family. But no, this is like the, this is actually the, you know, another thing Jesus said was like, so what if you fucking love your family? Even the, even the snakes love their family.

You can't think that you're special because you love your fucking family. You think you're special? Like, that's just evolutionary biology there, baby. That's, there's nothing special about that. This is my translation. Jesus said, baby a lot. That's evolutionary biology, baby. He said, love your neighbor the way you love your family.

Now something's happened here. And that pull-up he's asking humanity to do is obviously the bridge. to Utopia. The moment that you go to the fucking Atlanta airport and you look around at all the people in various stages of nervous breakdown, being dicks, getting in front of you to get in the fucking plane, waiting to piss in this packed fucking bathroom. Even worse, you've got to take an airport dump. And then somebody somehow sneaks in front of you and gets into one of the stalls. You're going to shit. You're going to shit. You're going to get. You. You're going to shit. You're going to get. You. You. You're going to shit. You're going to. You. You're your pants. You got to love them in the same way you love your kids. Dude, that's not an easy thing to do at all. Again, another hardcore element to Christianity that people don't seem not to crock. It's like, yeah, it's, you think communism is fucking hardcore. This is like, this is like, this makes communism.

just seemed like a fun little day at the park, this thing here. How do you do that? Jesus said, I did not come for peace. I came with a sword. I came with a sword. I came with a fucking sword. It's not the Jesus they told me.

But what was that sword? I mean, you know, this is again, like, it's like this is a, this, this thing, you could see how people like Pete fucking Heggseth are like, hell yeah, he came with a sword! Fuck you are on but what was that sword? You know, this is, what is, what is a, or an axe or whatever he fucking said, but this is the, this is the, this is the, the truth that cuts through bullshit is that that sword. It's like this in the, you know, I think when he says, it's not peace I'm here about, I think, again, this could just be me trying to hippify it, but I think what he was saying is like,

we're not I'm afraid that we have to cut the head off this fucking cow friends there's just no way around like I'm afraid that's just the way it's going to go down whether you want it to or not we're not going to get where we need to go without a sword

and however you want to put it you know I don't I don't we got an interpretation coming in okay let's hear message of truth creates an inevitable division between those who follow him and those... Prajna. Well, there's another weird part, too, where Jesus says, don't he say, like, go buy swords?

And then he says, if you live by the sword, you die by the sword. Yeah. Yeah, he... Well, I mean, I think the most telling, like, part, if you want to analyze, like, how do we justify or rationalize violence in Christianity? Is when they came to arrest him. Who was the dude who cut off the fucking... ear in the Garden of Gisethamie.

Simon. Simon. Simon. Simon was like the, and Simon was a, he wanted there to be a revolution against Rome. Israel, this is occupied, they're occupied by Roman forces and people wanted a revolution. They wanted to, you know, fucking get rid of these, like, colonizing pieces of shit. And so, they wanted to use the least in Jesus Christ Superstar, I believe Simon was the one who wanted. How does it go? Do you ever listen to Jesus Christ Superstar Dakota? No, no, I don't know what it is. Will you promise me? I know it's a lot to ask for a promise that after this podcast, you will find the original Broadway musical Jesus Christ Superstar

and listen to it. It's one of the, my favorite articulations of Christianity that I've ever heard in my life. It's so good. Don't watch the movie. Listen to the music. But Simon the zealot. Simon the zealot. Keep them yelling their devotion. But at a touch of hated Rome, we will rise to a time. Anyway, he was like trying to get Jesus started a revolution. And so he, of course he was the one who's like, this is it, baby. They're going to fucking try to arrest you. Let's start it all. Let's do it. slices off the dude's ear. Jesus, I believe, picks the ear back up and freezes the moment. Yeah.

Heels, heals him. And it's like, no, this isn't like, we're not doing that. It's not that easy, my friend. That's not the sort I was talking about. And because, you know, that could have happened. He could have started an uprising. He was like a spiritual leader who had gained a great deal of power in those times, which was a threat to all the, like.

Like not just the Roman Empire itself, but to the priest class. Because he was going around saying, what are you doing? You don't need this. Fuck you. I'll heal people on a Sunday or Saturday. I'll heal people on the Sabbath. Fuck you. That's my translation.

Fuck you. No, do whatever I want. We'll do whatever we want. Whatever I want. Yeah, eat whatever I want. I'm sorry. We don't have to like, you know your whole business model here is acting like you have the direct line to God, but I'm afraid you're wrong.

everybody has that direct line so go fuck yourself and they did that was not how you stay alive back then you don't piss off the priest class and the fucking roman empire simultaneously so yeah i told you i was just editing these videos when i was in israel and i went to holy sepulchre did you ever get to go there in jerusalem i've never been there i want to go to israel my my friend ben epstein lives out there i want to go visit him but you know i don't i don't know if you noticed it's not the best time to visit israel yeah now that's not a good time trying to visit israel yeah now's not a good time to get my wife to bring the family out to Israel right now but she's like no I don't know why so they have the tomb of Jesus this is the where they say this is the tomb people everyone

come this is where they come and directly next to the tomb they have tables selling crosses crown of thorns dirt crown of thorns I was like oh my god there's no way that they're selling crowns of thorn on a table next to Jesus's tomb so offensive but I'm just surprised anybody buys a crown of thorns Isn't that insane? How do you travel with that? Like, I don't want to crown it. I kind of wish I would have bought one in retrospect.

It would be kind of cool. We could be wearing one right now. Yeah, that would have been nice. Yeah, well, this is, I think just what you see there is like this is like you're, there is just there is sort of truth. And then there's this thing that reacts to truth. It's the opposite of it always, almost mocking it, laughing at it, like just completely what what what what better way to what what better way to mundanify something than to

sell i mean it's no different than what are they they they bet on his clothes they just crucified this dude and then i believe they rolled dice to to for his clothes i mean this is the oh yeah fun people fun times fun times you know though on above his head like king of the Jews, which was like, you know, a crown of thorns. Oh, here's your fucking stupid king. And yet, even then, it's like, yeah, that's what it, you're absolutely right. That's like the crown. That means a lot more than your stupid cold crown. You know, like you're fucking, if you're like experiencing reality as it is, probably not the most comfortable headwear, you know. Yeah, I love it.

Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. I knew you'd come over to us, Dakota. I knew eventually I'd have to hang out with the blasphemers out there in the gardens of infamy. You'll come back to Jesus Christ. He's here with us right now. Saved by the blood. Now, you can go lollygagging around all the temples of the world.

Yeah, it's true. But the great temple is right there in the good book. and but all that being said um it is Christianity is like I don't know why and you know all all the real shit's annoying to me just because I don't want to suffer I don't like it I want to be happy right now I don't want to change I want this to work out you know and any most good things are going to just kind of like I don't know if you're really happy right now which is I think what that your friend said to you so I'm sorry I said he was alpha mailing you. He was. It's okay. But nah, that's just me like being a dick. He was, uh, you know,

I think that's a good teacher. I like that he goes crazy in front of you. You know what I mean? He's not bullshit in you. That's how you know you've got a real one. One time he told me, real agorries never wear ash. So sometimes I wear ass, sometimes I don't. Wow. So it's just weird. He's a weirdo. He's a weirdo. Well, my friend, this is, this is. been just a joy hanging out with you. Yeah, it has. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thanks for your time. Thanks for your work. Thank you for your time. I think it's time for you to come to, based on this conversation, it's time for you to come out here to Austin. Time for you to come to Texas. Yeah. Thank you for the invite. I will. Please do. You have a place to stay here. We'll go to a rodeo if

there's one in town. Maybe we can get one of these Catholic priests that smoke M-E-O-D-M-D-M-T with you. I doubt. I doubt it. That's an interesting thing. People are getting Catholic priests to smoke DMD. They should. Yeah, they'll probably sit through it too. Dakota. This is it.

This is the next chapter. In the rodeo. Yeah. God bless you. Thank you so much, Dakota. How bless you, Duncan? Where can people find you, my friend? Any social media, Dakota Wint.

Just started a podcast on the Be Here Now, Now, Now, God, that was the idea. I'll plug it up front. So, yes. It's called The Flowerhead Show. And, yeah, just telling stories like this. The Flowerhead Show on the Be Here Now Network. Please subscribe to that so that Dakota didn't have to endure this time with me for not.

Because that was that, and I'm excited you're doing a podcast, man. And that's such a good podcast network to you. I mean, there's so many great podcasts on there. It's really cool. that you've become a part of it yeah thank you and you know just one last full circle my very first podcast i ever did was with you in hawaii really that my first podcast ever no way and ragu forced it to kind of happen you know ragu the best anyways here we that's cool well this will not be our last podcast unless it's the end of the world and um yeah let's keep talking man we don't talk enough off

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