Duncan Trussell Family Hour - 769: Derek Waters

Episode Date: October 12, 2026

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Hi guys, it's me, Duncan Trussell, and this is the Dunkett Truzzle Family Hour podcast. What an episode we have for you today. Derek Waters, creator of drunk history, is here with us. We had an incredible conversation. It was nice to catch up with Derek, but it is October, and that means it's Halloween season. And I thought, before we dive into this interview with Derek, we could do something a little spooky, something off the beaten path. And I could tell you about a horrible thing that happened to someone. His name was Timothy Lundgren.

And he had what has to be one of the worst spulunking accidents in all of recorded history. Let's go, go. Let me just say, guys, I am not in the CIA. Please stop saying that. Let's face it, Spelunking's fucking weird. And anybody who does it is probably out of their mind. Why in the name of God would you want to do this? Why would you want to go down into a hole and crawl through crevices and get yourself stuck and crawl through mud?

Before we get going, I should probably say that I knew Timothy Rudgren when I was in college. He was one of those hippie jock dudes who loved to play Ultimate Frisbee, which I've never been good at. And he seduced my girlfriend at the time and he banged her down. And she broke up with me for him. So that has nothing to do with why I'm doing the story. and this story is in no way, shape, or form some kind of like shitty, cheap, shot at vengeance for someone who stole what I at the time thought was my love of my life and took her to Costa Rica. And got her pregnant in Costa Rica and then left her in Costa Rica. To raise a child and due to some kind of crazy visa shit, she actually got reversed, deported, meaning that she can't leave Costa Rica or her.

I would have helped her raise that child. And I know this is the Halloween edition of the DTFH and everything, and we are going to get into the horrible thing that happened to this absolute piece of shit. But I just wanted to play a little song I wrote for my former love of my life, who I met in college, her nickname was Honey Mellon. And yeah, this is just a song I wrote for when I was in college. I dug it up from the vaults. You could last forever a kextant.

Life is a kextend and I am the dixie cup that you're drinking from. Every time you cheat on me, I'll be waiting for you to come back down. Kiss your lips and say I forgive you. You know, don't take anything for granted kids. time goes by so fast. So just so you guys get an idea of how dumb Timothy was. I made a cartoon demonstrating how far down he went into this cave. But before I show you this whole video, I think it also makes sense to talk a little bit about how Timothy found out about this Costa Rican cave. So Timothy was, I guess,

what you would call an expat. After he took Honeymelon, my ex-girlfriend, to Costa Rica, by the way, obviously did not graduate. They weren't offering degrees in Ultimate Frisbee and Spalunking at my college. It was a serious school, and I'm going to leave the name of the school out of the story. It has nothing to do with it. But Timothy goes to Costa Rica and, like so many other expats in Costa Rica who have this insanely inflated spiritual ego that somewhere inside of them, they think there's some kind of like Messiah, Buddha, Bodhisattva, whatever you want to call it. This is also, I think, probably related to traumatic brain injury. A lot of people don't know that Ultimate Frisbee accidents can be worse than football accidents. You know, I would sit and

watch sometimes with Honeymelon because at my school every Sunday they would do Ultimate Frisbee. And, yeah, they would invite me to play and I'm just not good at it. I'm not good at catching or throwing. So I would sit and watch and, you know, you would see people. just slam into each other. Also, it's like they all take their fucking shirts off and their flannel shirts tied around their waist and they all look like fucking heroes when they catch the frisbee. But yeah, I saw Timothy trying to be a hero out there and he jumped to try to grab a frisbee and smashed right into this like super obese alcoholic dude who threw all the best kegers.

And the dude was fine, but Timothy was knocked out. and lucky for him honey melon new CPR and basically brought him back to life and that's where they met honestly but i often suspect that something happened to him there when he got hit in the head and maybe that's what you know gave him the insane idea then instead of staying in school he should take my girlfriend to costa rica and start doing ayahuasca ceremonies out there with one of these so-called shaman and sticking shit into his body, getting his nipples

extended, apparently got honeymelons nipples extended because that's a thing, the way the ancients would extend their heads out. There's a whole thing happening in Costa Rica right now where people who are into ayahuasca are elongating their nipples and they think that this has something to do

with the earth snake and it allows them to connect with the earth. So he's out there doing Costa Rica. getting wonderful, wonderful women pregnant and getting into spulunking. And so apparently he had a vision. And in this vision, a praying mantis creature came to him and told him of a secret cave in Costa Rica that led to the center of the earth. and that he was essentially invited to go into the core of the earth and play ultimate frisbee

with these beings that live down there. Now, it sounds like I'm making this shit up, but this is 100% true. You can read his journals. They're all online. He writes very poorly. He was a very good writer, but he writes in great detail about this experience. I'll read a passage from his journal. Dear Diary, Costa Rica is fucking rad, bro.

Not only does it have like the best waves for surfing and not only is it just like generally cheap, like two dollar burritos at the most. It also happens to have a shaman who I met named James French, who's basically my shaman now. And he's been giving me like all kinds of like shit. He shoots stuff up into my nose. And I just get like, blasted and so dude this is the craziest thing but this i don't know it looked like a praying manis bug thing came up to me and it's like bro i'm going to tell you where this cave is in cost

rica and you just got to go splunking down in this cave because it literally leads to the hollow earth where people play ultimate frisbee all the time down there and you know like i think you're one of the best ultimate frisbee players and i was like what you think you think you're think I'm the best Ultimate Frisbee player and the mantis was like as far as humans go but dude you should challenge yourself so like go down into this cave and um the only thing is bro you got to go by yourself you can't bring anyone with you and you just got to trust me and then he like I don't know he just showed me this map kind of made sense and so tomorrow I'm just going to go for it bro and go like down to the center of the earth to play Ultimate Frisbee and he did it he found

an undiscovered cave in Costa Rica. They will not say where it is now, but apparently there was a whole government thing after this happened. They shut down like an entire side of a Costa Rican mountain. And you can't get access there. Another gift from Timothy, I guess, to the world is a natural wonder is now inaccessible for everybody. So thanks for that one too, Timothy.

But he went in. He went in by himself. And as you can see, it got progressively deeper as caves do and then it got narrower and he basically crawled like a worm like he was kind of like a worm he crawled like a worm through this narrow tunnel and you know just squirmed right into the void and he fell he fell down into the hollow earth where he landed in the core of the earth and he

he that's how he's I guess the only human who went to hell without dying because that's what I'm pretty sure happened to him is now he's in hell and he didn't even die just basically flew to hell he got tricked by an ayahuasca being

and now he's where he deserves to be and I usually don't say things like that but honestly he was such a piece of shit Derek, welcome back to the DTFH. It's only been about a million years. Six. Six years. I haven't seen you in that long. We were... That's crazy.

We were blown apart by the pandemic. It's in a... We're blown apart. And we're blown to each other forever. We're forever. Blown to each other. We were blown to each other. Where are you going? Yes.

I don't know. I had to get talked to... someone sorry I just wait I'm like I was like oh I don't want it to look like a see you later man see you later I just I just don't want people thinking I live like a animal you look it looks hot oh thank you you slept back here you slept back here is that's your house I don't remember sleeping there yeah you did when you came back from burning ma'am you did Eric you got an AC running in there sorry I meant to kill it Air purifier. God bless you.

There we go. Thank you. You saved me today, Derek. Damn, that's so cool. You know I'll forever save you. You've saved me many, many times. It's so good to see you. You know that, right?

You've saved me so many times. Do you know that? Thanks, dude. I didn't, I mean, I don't know what, like, you're talking about when you, we went to that that lake and you were on that blob thing that somebody jumped on. I couldn't breathe. Yeah. I remember.

Yeah. Does it sound okay? Hold on. We're having a tech issue over here with the camera for some reason. Hang on. This is a cool studio, buddy. It is a cool studio. 2006, I log in, I hear just you talking to your producer about Blender.

I'm like, damn it. Even Duncan sucked in. I mean, aren't you sucked in? Like, it's... I'm intrigued. You're intrigued. You can't... I mean, if you're not, if you're not, then you're blind.

You can't go like, fuck AI and not go like, well, let me understand it. Like anything that you don't like, you have to understand it a little or try to understand it and appreciate what there's good and bad to everything. Yeah. I think all of it, I like to say it's first draft, that it should not be final. It's like, I like hearing other opinions, you know, like it's some of the stuff's interesting. but that's the creative side and that's not that's not what its intent is ending for is to help creatives

that's the scary part who knows what the fuck it is I mean we that's what I to me the most intriguing thing about it is the people who make it who create it the people who are in charge of it don't seem to quite understand it and that right just that alone is so dystopian and so

do you think the person that thought of postmates was like people are hungry you know what I mean it wasn't a thought of like I gotta feed people no I but with AI postmates you know I'm using GPS I you know it's like known things with with AI

they don't fully understand everything it's doing they're at the point now where they don't know if it's acting a certain way to trick them, if it's being deceptive. They're flabbergasted by their own creation, which that's got to be historic, right? Like, that's never happened before. No, I don't have any children, but I was going to say, what are the differences between raising a child in this of like that you do your best and you don't know what it's going to, like,

you have to, but you have to know anything is possible, right? Yeah, that's a good comparison. I don't know. I don't have children, but when you said it, I was like, is it like letting something free and going like, yeah, what could possibly go wrong? Yeah, yeah. How many people. You train it, you do the best you can, you know, you give it love, and then what's going to happen? You get that phone call sometimes. You get the phone call. Yeah.

Get me out of you. Well, that's a good one. Yeah, that's a good one. You're right. It does seem to be like everything about it mirrors the experience of having children. It seems to be some brand new, I don't know. No one wants to call it alive. It's all this dystopian shit with Trump being like, don't call it artificial, call it super intelligence.

Which is just, why do you care? Why are you trying to like change the way we talk? He likes just changing phrases. He likes changing words. Yeah. Weird. Yeah. Gulf of American intelligence.

Why don't they call it that? American intelligence. Oh, you're not far from that. Do you just think of that? I might have read it somewhere. I hope I didn't rip it off. American intelligence is amazing. I'm surprised.

You know he thought of that. He was going to do that. Oh, yeah. Super intelligence. It's, it's, we want to sell it to every. Look, but you, you are a creator, man. You, you have created obviously drunk history. You're always making like beautiful, hilarious things.

So yeah, you, you should have a take on this, right? That like, first of all, let me ask you, is it this, you don't have to answer this, by the way, but what I've been hearing is everyone's using this shit and people just aren't saying they're using it. that you can't sit, that it's a, I just heard an entire podcast on the musical application of AI. And this poor music producer who's like, yeah, I'm basically out of a job, went for a year, interviewed people in the, in AI music and basically everyone's using it is people are using AI across the board, but they're not saying it and they're hiding it because it's so universally rejected. It's like saying you use cliff notes, like, or you still, you, like, I don't know.

I mean, I'm intrigued by, you know, when, uh, SORA started, I, I, I find with being creative, our brain wants to be stimulated. And I find certain things of, I want to see this. stimulating, but I'm not like, hey, this thing that I just made for fun, I want the world to see. I think it's fun. I think some of them, like that clawed, I like cleaning up notes with certain things, like organization, but not creativity. And that's, I think anyone would say that, but genuinely like, it's like when, you co-write something, you can tell it's co-written to when someone writes it on their own, because it came from one place.

And when you have multiple voices, you can feel something and things have to come from our heart. But when there is help, we should use it, but not rely on it. You know what I mean? I think that's a big thing. It's like, you can't rely on it. And then I also am like, how long have we been asking Siri for questions? How long have we Googled? There's certain things that like we have been doing, but now we've gotten to a part of our lives where it's bigger than anyone knows, like you said, and now that it's going to learn, it can learn anything.

So take the positive, learn from it. But yeah, I don't know. I don't have a quote, hot take on it, except the only shit that makes me nervous. I mean, there's a lot, but the main one is like, I've already told my parents there's a code word that if I call asking you for money. Yeah. Because of voice stuff. That is the scariest stuff for me of like old people getting tricked with AI voices. Yeah.

That stuff scares me. Yeah. And, you know, robots shooting us. Well, yeah, there's so many. completely dystopian scenarios that could happen with one of them being um let's say there's another lockdown this one's an actual like this is some serious shit cova was serious no this is like this shit that's rampaging out there it'll it's like 90% fatality rate do not you cannot leave your house so everyone's truly terrified they're all staying home food is being delivered

not like you came to go to the grocery store. So the only way we're talking to each other at that point is through our phones, our computers. Theoretically, an artificial intelligence could get in between you trying to talk to your friends, emulate your friends, and you would never know the difference. And if you were locked into your house, you could start existing in a kind of Truman show, which was like just AI. Oh my God. I know. but but but i i also feel like that's something you have been thinking about for years that that's a possibility that i how do we even know i exist i mean i haven't seen you in seven years seven

how do i you left in 2020 right yeah or 2019 but i don't think we'd seen each other since 2019 yeah yeah man um but i yeah all this stuff is during the i've always a thought yeah it's always a thought Yeah. It's always a thought of, is it real? That's never, that's never been, that's never not been a question for humanity is, is it real? Right. Right. That's what we'll always wonder.

Yeah. But yeah. Well, what do you think? Anyway, what was intriguing? Is it real? Do you define what real is? You know, like, what is? I mean, is it happening?

Something is. Something's happening. and the real is something that affects you, right? Well, I think any age, anybody's like going through the whole human lifespan is lucky enough to go through the whole human lifespan. Yeah. Is born into some kind of dream. This is the, this is the, the, the, I love it.

This is the Duncan Truss' little podcast, baby. The aesthetic that was around you in your childhood, the movies that were around in your childhood, the things your parents were into. And then you get this sliver of time, which is like, you know, this is your generation. Gen X, that's us, right? And so that feels so real. Is it real? Fuck yeah, it felt real to me.

When I was in high school, when I'm in college, this is real, right? But then this episode of the DTFH is brought to you by Factor. Friends, oh my God. How does anyone have time to cook? Does anyone anymore? I don't. I have four children. So there's just, as much as I would love to, like, make delicious, healthy meals for, that aren't going to, like, make my old diabetic ass go into a coma,

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but you're not involved in it anymore you know what i mean and everyone experiences this growing sense of unreality the way people talk doesn't sound quite right to you the music you don't know what this shit is anymore all of it Andrew fucking Callahan you know what I mean all of it you're like what the fuck is this you're seeing what you don't like you're not a Callahan you're not a Channel 5? No, no, no, no. I like Calais. I watch Calais. He, he entertains me, but it makes you feel old if you're my age watching. Oh, yes. That's the point. Yeah, yes. It's going to make you feel old. And so, but this is every old person's experience. And all I'm saying is, so is it real? Yeah. But it also changes. And that change can really make you feel disoriented if you're, if you're not prepared for it. And so, final. point of AI is making change happen much faster. Less time. 100%.

Yeah. So that's going to produce, I would say, a spectacular sense of dysphoria for the whole planet as we all sort of look around. Like, what the fuck are we in now? Yeah. I've always said every new invention makes it less and less important to have legs. And I think this one, like, Ben, And that it just dumbs us all down. And that that's the reality that we've seen every good comedy show what the future holds.

But I still believe the generation right now, the youngest generation right now, the people being born will be the smartest because of technology being used for education as well as entertainment. I really do believe that. And I think we have to believe that. we have to help them, but I think they know so much. And I've always said, like, we were distracted on the TV. They have an iPad that also has their education on it. Yes, it also has distractions. But I think we just have to lead them to, like, you guys have what we didn't.

And I don't know. I have hope for the world. I have hope for the people. Maybe not the planet, but for people. I do. That's how you got to do that. I mean, that's, that's, I think what's, I know. I think about that one. It's like, what's happening in the world? Yeah, it's like, I know is it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's too easy to look at the bad stuff. It's so, we have to find the hope and, um, and be the hope. It's so easy, isn't it? And it's so fashionable. It's always fashionable, though. It's, it's

generally never cool to be optimistic. The optimistic person is always, it's always, it's always, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's generally never cool to be optimistic. The optimistic person is always the fool. The delusional. The delusional idiot. The naive, dumb ass. It's going to be a great day. That dumb fucking idiot.

Exactly. Yeah. What's wrong with that guy? What happened? Yeah. The buffoon. The buffoon. The buffoon.

Yeah. Yeah. But not us, my friend. we've always laughed at reality. I think we're realists. I'm speaking for you, but also we, the world is sad,

but we find it funny. That's true. Yeah. It's a little, you can just get imbalanced. I think like what happens is, you know, you,

these days, the factual attitude is essentially kind of like, uh, whiny nihilism. You, you have people, you know what I mean?

You are just constantly outputting this, like, not it's not like scared they're not really panicking or scared as you should be based on their worldview you should be fucking scared it's more of a kind of crabby nihilism where they just complain and that's true there's a lot everything they're saying is usually right but yeah they missed the whole other side the other half of the which is simultaneously it is beautiful to exist and anything wonderful things also happen out of the blue that no one expected and these this is the balance and you need both sides or you are a buffoon or you're a fucking sour puss

sour puss yeah well that this i heard this the other day in the movie theater someone behind me just like crazy times huh talking to someone else i was just like how long has that that's been like six years of saying crazy times and I just, I don't know, sometimes I'm like, is it a gauge to be like, what side are you on? Like, like, someone's like, what are you talking about? Crazy times. But I think every human being right now is seeing it's crazy times. And it is, but, you know, it's crazier as if we were not here.

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. You could, I do think there is a, it's something. it's like a subtle interrogation when someone says that to you

for sure. I've had that experience or someone's like shit's nuts right now, huh? And they look at you like, what are you gonna say? What are you gonna say? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because if you're like, I don't know, it seems like it's always been fucked up. They're like, you fucking fascist. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you don't agree in a, in the neck, or God help you if you're like,

yeah, but good crazy. Like, this isn't, can you believe we get to be alive right now? I mean the fucking singularity is about to happen. You know, that's going to mark you as an apostate these days. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, what's keeping you happy these days? What's giving you hope?

Dude, you know, I got kids, so it's the obvious answer. It's like you just get to be around sort of pure, unindactrinated, like beautiful humans and like you everything you things are going to be fine like you nothing will take you more out of the poison of the internet than just hanging out with your kids it just completely resets everything and you just end up like in in the world the world's just always been the world and that world is usually very simple and beautiful and like sweet and hard but like wonderful that's what kids remind you. You know, what's making you happen these days?

AI, baby. Hell yeah, man. C-SPAN, C-s-fan, entertainment, the like entertainment world, Hulu. Oh, yeah. No, like, yeah.

It's a very hard question. You have a good response of children. I'm engaged now. Yes. I'm going to marry the love of my life. That's so good. And friends for 23 years, played the long game. Wow.

And when you say things you don't know are going to happen, and you just, you know, friends for that long. And, yeah, I'm going to marry my best friend. And I'm just so, life is so great. Life is so great. And, yeah. That's so great, man. You just didn't know.

The whole time, there wasn't some inkling that you had at one point with her where you're like, we're getting married. Oh, no, I've been trying for 23 years. No, no, I've been trying. Yeah. Is the door, yeah. We were never single at the same time, so it just worked. Wow.

Yeah, man, but she's amazing. I'm so happy, man. Yeah, but life, life is good. And, you know, I'm 46 now. Yeah. And, yeah. It's just. did it's just right i did it and uh yeah life is good yeah writing writing a new show and doing

these new drunk histories was really fun that's so cool um i was so happy when pemberton told me that he oh man he was so great i'm not allowed to say that i probably should say that right is that okay why wouldn't you be i don't know it's good sometimes they like you guys keep shit secret until it like hits the air it's out oh it's out penterton is out yeah they're all out they're out they're out on Comedy Central? YouTube, baby. Wow. Just Comedy Central YouTube.

Why are you a... Because I got excited that I saw, but I assumed it was... I assumed it was still in production. TV. Oh, oh, oh, on production, yeah. But what's so funny is that it's like you're going to do three...

We got three new episodes for YouTube. And it's like, well, more people will see it on YouTube than... they would have on Comedy Central. Is that insane? Like, it's, it's really, really insane how that, seeing the difference of what 10 years ago, Comedy Central, or just TV. I mean, I still, I still have my direct TV, but I probably won't much longer.

Isn't it that alone, like another thing that is, that transformation. Yeah. And what it's doing and what it's going to do to, like, the global economy is does not get covered enough like people it's like humans love entertainment man we love watching tv we love watching shows and this mode that we've all been receiving entertainment is like parts of it are dying like parts of it are just just rotting poor l.a all these like huge production companies not making stuff as much in anymore or not having the money anymore.

Actors not getting paid what they used to get. It's like crazy to watch that industry go through whatever this is while this other industry starts springing up around it with just sort of like cottage producers, you know, making shows. Yeah, I'm doing reboot, which I have to promote. If you haven't seen Digger, you should see the movie Digger. Do you know the movie Digger? I want to, I want to, dude, I don't want to, dude, I don't want to

go so bad. I think you should go because it is getting shit on and I think you telling your listeners your feelings on it. I'm not going to say too much because there's a very big reveal in it that I want to say. But the main thing is the importance of stories and original storytelling that we need to have and like this thing getting banned by reviews of people not liking it. Like it's so it's so smart. The art. is so good. I'm just, yeah, you should see it. But like good original stories,

I just don't know, I don't know why we don't want them anymore because we need them. And it's, I'm tired of the phrase like, well, that's a risk. It's a risk. You know, like, when, like, people like Charlie Kaufman having a hard time making stuff right now.

Yeah. Like, that's insane to me. I know. Like, the best thing. in the business being like, yeah, I just can't get stuff done. That's crazy. Yeah. I mean, this is, God help me for saying it, I think it'd be safe to say this is a symptom

of late stage capitalism. I know that word gets thrown around a lot, but when, you know, the economy starts getting fucked up, think about how much it costs to make a movie. And where is that money coming from? Is it coming from people who want to make art? or is it coming from just fucking investors global investors who want a sure thing they know if you put X amount of money

into this movie with this movie star it's going to make this much overseas right they don't want to risk they're not like they're not thinking like oh my god I get to work with Charlie Kaufman oh my god I get to like help and make something holy fucking shit this is incredible they're not thinking that they're thinking what no one's going to like that No one's going to watch that.

That won't even make it into Sundance. Fuck you, Charlie Kaufman. And then they're going for like just, you know, the sure thing, right? That's the problem. Wouldn't you say it's people, investors want a return on their investment. And I guess times are tough. I mean, anyone, it's like we're not idiots to go like, well, anytime you invest something, you hope to get your money back.

Like, I know that. But like, it's what you're, is it, we've all invested in things that we haven't gotten our money back and I believe it's about the fight of trying to get what you want. And it can't just be one thing that you're hoping to get in return. We didn't start and I hope no one started a business just for one thing, you know, but it seems like where the entertainment business is and most investors only have that in mind in that I think must, I mean, must have existed in the 80s, but not to the extent that it is now. And it's, it's bothersome.

It's bothersome because it's now we're having the classic conversation. And but it's like, it's just mind boggling of like, but why? Why can't we take, isn't it fun to go like, oh my God, I took a risk and it worked. And no one had ever seen that. That had never been done. Yeah. And that, that's a feeling of endorphids. It's like we need, we, I mean, that's, to me, like, the purpose of life is to feel and to give.

And, yeah. So, I don't know. It's, we just need to make a billion dollars, Duncan. And then we give it. Yeah. We give it. We make our own stuff. And we allow people to be who they are.

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It also kind of sucks. Like, I mean, it literally sucks. You look at, like, people making stuff, and you have to ask, why is it when I look at this AI clip? Even though it looks like a professional film studio made this, it feels like I'm looking at a dead body. Like, why is this so fucking lifeless? I think what's being left out in all forms of AI media right now, at least I've seen, is a good story. And, you know, because that's a whole thing. hardest fucking thing is to break a story.

That's the hardest fucking thing. It's easy to prompt stuff and maybe sew together a little Frankenstein monster of cool shit that you just half thought of in the shower that might be a good show. Yeah. And then spit it out for fun or whatever. But like the moment the intersection happens between really like people like Charlie Kaufman and voice actors and AI and the moment like all of that crosses, you will be able to make digger level massive budget movies for maybe a quarter of the budget and maybe that will make

people less risk adverse and we'll start seeing unique stuff sorry that's too long-winded what I just said but potentially that's a could come it could but yes we are like you said I would say or mid-stage capitalism like of all this stuff all of it all of it's scary scary. It is so like the amount of things that I like when we get when we're 90, I really, I've always thought about this with like the NFL, like they won't even have numbers on the back. It'll be Exxon.

Like their names will be like the companies like because now it's like that's getting close. I think they like usually have one to two ads here. Yeah. And I know this is you probably talk about you can cut me off. But I just can't believe how bad this gambling shit is. It is so sad to me. Like these sports, these kids that are betting,

it just makes me so bummed. Like, it's Mickey Mantle telling you it's okay to smoke. Like, it's crazy that the athletes are telling you it's okay to bet. That still blows my mind. You don't care? I know care this is in hinduism they call the age we're in collie yuga and a lot of people think collie means like this just this deity uh but no collie is actually the word

means gam the age of gambling we're in the age of gambling and everything right now is a gamble not just so it makes sense that sports people are telling people to gamble it makes sense because everything right now is a fucking gamble. We're gambling that somehow we're going to work out of war with Iran. We're gambling that buying fucking diesel from Putin is not going to like potentially like create, you know, the ability for Russia to attack Europe. We're gambling that the fucking climate isn't going to collapse. We're gambling that AI isn't going to destroy the planet. Everyone's rolling the fucking dice.

right now from like everyone's just rolling the dice and hoping for the best and we don't know if it's going to be okay so sure it makes sense to me that this would show up in sports it would make sense that it would show up across the board it's the age of gambling we're all just I mean every time I get my fucking Tesla and press auto drop dude that's that's a roll of the fucking dice baby I'm just you do that yeah I'd love it I love it it's the back. I just sit back. I sit back and let that thing haul my ass around Austin.

And every once in a while, it occurs to me that there's just nothing keeping this thing as far as I'm aware from accelerating to 60 miles per hour and driving into a church. You know what I mean? Nothing's keeping it. And that's so we're gambling. We're gambling. Have we not seen it? Because I don't have that.

I have the Tesla, but I don't have the self-drive. But I always go, this car can be turned off at any time. And I always said, like, you'll never see a high-speed chase with a Tesla. But have we ever, that still, has that happened? Because I always imagine, like, the car would just stop and flip. Yeah. If someone was trying to outdo the helicopter chase. I mean, it's.

got to be able to do that. I don't know if Tesla is going to say that, but for sure they must have a kill switch in every one of those fucking. Oh, do? Oh, you do? I think they would admit that. Who knows what else they got in there? Because they said, like, no one will ever be. That was one of the selling points is like, no one can steal your car.

Because when, if someone got in your car and you called them, they could kill the car. And I was like, well, I can kill it when I'm in it, too. But you remember that car saved my life. Well, I mean, this is the big exchange, right? This is in the age of gambling. We're all making this exchange. We all know our TVs are listening to us. That just came out.

I'm not sure which LG, I think. It's been recording your conversations, whether it's on or off or Amazon, Alexa's, your phones. We all know that these devices that give us so much insane Star Trek level, convenience are monitoring every single thing that we do. And the gamble is we just trust that's going to work out okay. That's where we're rolling the dice. We're like, yeah, sure, they're recording. Everyone's being recorded.

And that's probably being saved and stored in servers somewhere. And at any point in the future, theoretically, be looked through. And every conversation I ever had in my life could be hacked. And literally my entire lifetime of talking could, theoretically have be recorded and uploaded at some point to the internet everything i ever said that's all of us wait that well how are we gambling with that i don't i think you have a phone if you have a phone you're gambling the you know you go back and you go back and you talk to someone prior to all this shit existing you're like hey what do you think about this this fucking thing

in your pocket. You're going to be able to look at people fuck. You're going to be able to order food. You're going to be able to film things. It's film a whole movie if you want. The drawback is it might be recording everything you say and storing it somewhere. Do you think it's worth having this device? And I think most people from the past would be like, that's the devil's rectangle. Don't use it. It might just be, the right approach to everything that's happening right now is to take our electronics and throw it in a fucking landfill and stop using it.

That might be the right thing to do instead of imagining, but look what's, it's giving us, I can talk to you in L.A. and do my podcast. And I can, you know what I mean?

Yeah, I know. I know. What are the positives? Someone asks me, you know, do you think Instagram will be? around in 10 years and it's like well if it's not it's because something else replaced it but human until mankind humanity is okay with not caring about what other people think that's the only way

it'll go down yeah and it says why is it when did that start when did it start I mean I know insecurity of just like, I just want to make everyone know, like, I do have a life. I do have a life. Like, people come back on Monday brag about where they went on their trip. I'm thinking like 70s and 60, but I'm like, when, when did it feel the need? And I'm thinking out loud that I'm like, I think technology, Polaroids, camera, you know, like, did you see where I went? Did you see who I met?

Here's an autograph. Here's an autograph of a person I met. There's a part of us. And now I'm thinking in a more optimistic way is that the human body, the human soul wants and needs to share. If we look at it in the positive that it's not this bragging thing. It is the idea of like, I want to show when someone shares with you a story, like that feels good for both parts, for both people. for both people that I think the integrity or I hope that the integrity of any new thing is that it comes from that love. And I remember, because we did that Instagrammy's show when Instagram first came out to make fun of self-indulgence and award people on their dick pictures.

And I looked it up. I mean, I was probably a year old and that these guys came up with it, that it was a new. way of a telegram is that it was a the word gram was for telegram do you know this and the idea was like if you were running late i would take a picture on instagram like of where i was and that would be the instant and i'm like yeah if you look at things that are just like that was the original idea and then we did these things to i mean the internet and porn is the easiest way of like you have this gift of you have all of the books. You have every book

you want to read. And then we just start filling it with like, yeah, well, what about this? What about that? What about like, you know what I mean? So I always try to go, what was the intent of the idea? Where was the heart of something? Sorry, that was a longer tangent than I met, but. No, I like that. It's so cool.

It's like, yeah, it's people put, it's like what we were talking about earlier. You put your creation out in the world and then it takes on a life of its own. It turns into something that wasn't your intent at all. But with Instagram, you know, the one one thing that I do,

I do believe in the future. People are going to look back on this, the same way we look back at when like cocaine was legal. When we look back at the time, you could go to the drug store and just get morphine, or they're putting heroin in the cough sir. If we're going to look back in the same way on this time period, which is the algorithm is hijacking, is intentionally,

you're talking about intent, intentionally hijacking the neurological reward systems that have kept humans alive since we've been around. This is what rewards us for exercising. This is what rewards us for figuring something new out. This is what drives the, partially what drives the evolutionary force, the creative force of humanity is when you do good things or things that your brain thinks are good, you get rewarded, you get dopamine, you get that sweet, sweet dopamine drip. These things are hijacking that system.

And the algorithm is producing false supply and demand attention economics into the world. Give an example. Give an example. So just like what you're like something goes. a movie does good. Movie does good. Okay, great. Then all of a sudden you're going to see the derivative versions of that movie. Inevitably, like some, a couple of derivative versions will emerge and then it kind of fades away, right?

So that's the echo you're talking about. Like right now we're in a fucking feedback chamber where people don't want to take risk. So they're reproducing, they're redoing, remaking movies that did good or they're, you know, they're all the all ladies ghost busters or you know what i mean we're getting this constant never-ending repetitive fucking loop right yeah and so uh this is also this is what the algorithm does somebody says some unique thing it goes viral then and people there's aIs out there that'll tell you this is what's trending what's your take on it and so then you start getting this fucking recursive fractal of content that the algorithm is boosting just because it did good once

making people think it's like they have anything to do with them producing what can only be called content feedback loops slop feedback loops right god these words yeah that's that that's what it is that's what yeah and so if we got if we had some fucking decency, and had the ability to look around and do just what everyone did back when cocaine was legal. At some point, people started looking around and were like, I don't know cocaine should be legal. Maybe this isn't so good for us.

If we just would look around and do that with the algorithm, then we could still keep Instagram, keep all these cool things, but make it illegal for these companies to use algorithms to manipulate and seduce. their reward systems in the human fucking brain. And then we agree. That's all we need. Get rid of that shit. The other thing is like, yes, don't do that.

It also made me think, and is that the excitement of hearing a song come on the radio and be like, baby, we were just talking about this song. That's such a real feeling that you can't get anymore of like, I came on Pandora because it heard me talk about Green Day. Like, there is not that. And the other thing I wrote down when you're talking that I remembered is some of the good stuff of saving things to these phones is, well, I can go back and I can find it. When we did Comic-Con, you and I, I'm going to guess, 2016 or 17 era.

Yeah, 16. Do you know where I'm going? I don't know where you're going. Because I think about this a lot is I remember telling you, do you know there's an option on your phone now where I can hit a button to like what you say or heart it or right? Like we're too lazy to write, ha. Now we push a button that says hot. Like I remember that specifically with you and how normalized that is now.

Wow. God, you're making me think back to when that came out. Like how, uh, yeah. I know. You're frozen on my end. Are, my, if I'm frozen, it's okay. It's,

it's recording it on this side. Now probably, uh, freeze in a second. It's just Riverside process and shit. Riverside. So you, it sounds to me,

you're, you're maintaining a pretty, I would say a pretty reasonable, rational view of the world. But also, you're still living in L.A. You were not part of the diaspora. Have you been tempted to leave the city? Yes.

If I didn't have a home, I definitely would have left. But now my fiancé here, her family's here. I have a reason to be here. I mean, look, when people say, do you like L.A., I still, and I've always said it's I love opportunity. And that's getting harder to say, like, how different is the opportunity here to somewhere else now for what we do? But I love my friends and I love the community, but it is, it's just, it's different. I like what we were saying earlier on the phone of that, like, you know, Detroit, you know, cars and this place with movies that,

aren't happening as much anymore. And it makes me, it makes me sad. And I'm not trying to be delusional to it, but I'm like, I still believe, I mean, you have to believe that things will get better. Dude, it makes me sad. I miss it. Yeah. I, you know, I love Austin.

My family loves Austin, but oh my God, so many good times. And I, you know, my memory of L.A. is different. in your memory about like if my memory is up until the pandemic. This episode of the DTFH is brought to you by Cash App. You know, these days, a lot of people are down on technology, but it's not all bad. Like every once in a while, I'll run into some kind of new tech and be like, wow, actually this, you know, this is fucking cool.

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I flew out to see my brother and he took me to be in the studio audience of the Chevy Chase show. And. And I was a little fish tank behind him or is it? Yeah. I don't remember. I remember not being funny. I remember sitting there loving Chevy Chase show. Chase loving him being like

holy fuck I'm gonna get to see Fletch live at the Chevy Chase show and then I was confused because it was like just not funny at all but I remember being also confused with how fucked up Hollywood was like when I went there I

expected it to be like glitzy and you know I still had the Hendersonville North Carolina version of Hollywood in my head with the Oscars the Academy Awards it was going to be this beautiful clean pristine fucking city of

of wealth and I remember getting to Hollywood and it's just it was back then it was real depressing back then it was sad then Chevy Chase bombs and I just remember realizing like wow man like shit is not like what you see on TV

in Andersonville but but yeah man but now apparently it's it's somehow you know I saw the tail I saw the beginning of like the collapse

yeah I remember you have like a very specific memory under a bridge I remember that you just saw something very disturbing yeah well I mean blood this dude came blood all over my face you know and like I'd been sucking under that bridge

for months and like never had I gotten like that never when I want to go to that place a day I forgot. That's where that song came from. But yeah. Dude, I mean,

it's crazy. Like, L.A., I don't think people understand. Like, people just know that the culture wars L.A. or people know, because it's a problem is like,

the right wing wants to smear L.A. for some reason and the left. Like, if you talk shit about L.A., people start assigning some political agenda. But it's like, no, man. I live there for over 20 years.

I love that fucking city. And it was gritty and whatever, but oh my God, it's so depressing. It's somehow collapsing at the level that it is right now. I want it to get better. I want it to heal, man. You think that's possible? Yeah. Yeah, of course I do.

I think, yeah, it needs to heal. Yes, I think it, I was going to say, you know, it's just. It's a community of people that like doing the same thing will always be like intriguing to me, but it feels like it's harder and harder now because there's everything. The business is discombobulated. So the place that was based on a business is discombobulated, you know? Right.

Anyway. Dude, that's the coolest. That was always the coolest thing. God, I'm sorry, I'm going to get cinnamon all about L.A. You go to the, go to any cafe. I see all these actors with their, you know, working on their sides and people writing fucking screenplays. Because it was a real, it's, it was an industry city. Like, for real.

It's like, all the talent, dude. Like, you know what I mean? Like, they were like the most talented people in the, in the world were getting magnetized there. So like, you could always find just like they're just genius geniuses. Every fucking everywhere. Really. also like absolute lunatics and people delusional people but you know what i mean like truly brilliant humans are making stuff there now that's still happening but it's like you're saying

it's all like it's all fucked up it's like yeah it's just it's sad i don't know even know how you would fix it like i don't know the solution to to to i think yeah you know when i'm being lazy and stoned it's like what are you what are you what are even do? How do you fix that shit? How do you get like a city of like filled with like people with traumatic brain injuries addicted to fentanyl, you know, with no how do you pronounce it? Isn't it fentanyl? Wow. I love that. You used fentanyl, but I like how you say it. Fentineal. Fentineal. How does it? Look, you know what? It's the Shakespearean I need to go talk to my drug dealer because he should have corrected me.

He's pronouncing it wrong. You got the wrong shit. I got to go talk to rabbit, dude. You're bullshit. Oh, my God. What the hell? Rabbit? It's Fentanyl.

Stopping down. You piece of shit. What country are you from? I like some fentanyl. Oh, God. Me and my family's in town. We need some fentanyl. I've never heard of it.

that wow I think it's trank that I know this from Andrew Callahan I watched his uh he did some kind of great documentary I can't remember where it was but like you know where you probably on this channel looking for their train what's it called trank trink it's a it's a veterinarian drug that if you inject it and you don't hit your vein if you get it in your muscles you're going to get fat like Nacrit whatever your skin rots off so like and in like if you like if you don't treat it immediately. If you don't treat it immediately with like IV antibiotics, you're gonna lose a limb or worse.

And so it's like just all these people out there doing the looking for their keys thing. It's called like Xyla something is the actual name of the drug. But they're all like looking for their, they're looking, and I don't even know if it's called Trank. Maybe it's Crocodile. Can you look up Zylazine? That's what it is.

It's called Zylazine. And yeah, just with limbs, rotting off and stuff. That's what's everywhere. That's fucking people up. That's what you're seeing down like wherever you go in LA when you're seeing them. It's probably not Fent. Could be. It's probably or it's a mixture of xylasein and fentanyl. Fentanyl. It's so dystopian. It's crazy. It's like a erroneous Bosch painting. You look around. It's not like it's not in Austin, dude. You look around and you just see this. Just examples of such fucking horror.

Dude, I remember one of the many visions that convinced us to leave L.A. Well, you're going to look at a house we wanted to buy. This woman, she's just laying on the ground. She pulls her skirt up, spreads her legs, and just takes a shit right on the side of the road, laying in the grass. I still remember her legs splayed out, seeing like shit. Like a baby? like a fucking baby like a 50 year old baby just shitting like just performatively was she making any noise i don't know i'm just if it was like because i i'm shit in my pants and been embarrassed

but i was just like what because that would feel good let's be like that would feel good and if you don't care about what I said if she does not care what other people think and just enjoying it that would feel good yeah I mean I don't doubt

that she was she seemed to be in a very natural state you know like she remember the homeless people that I hate saying that but I mean my old apartment in the valley

they were having I was getting to my car and they were fucking in front of my car. I ever tell you this story? I don't think so. And it was like 5 a.m. And I was going to work. And I was like, hey, sorry, I'm going to be turning on my car. I just don't want to, I don't want to scare you.

And she just looked at me and she's like, we're not bothering you. And I said, oh, I know you're not bothering me. I just didn't want to, like, startle you. And I turned on the car, I back up. And they just keep fucking. And as I'm backing up, there's a guy in a, like, beach chair with sunglasses just staring, watching them. I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe it.

Yeah. That's the beginning of a movie. Who's the dude? Who's the guy in the sunglasses? Yeah. Is he directing it? Are those cameras? glasses also that shit

Duncan I don't even I don't even know where to begin with these class cameras I don't know I don't know enough about them to talk about it but yeah I went looking for sunglasses the other day and they're like you want a camera I don't understand that we're all being surveilled that's all

there is to understand it's like these these poor Gen Zers have grown up in a Panopticon of total surveillance everything is veering towards total surveillance. There's a controversy about the sunglasses. People are debating whether or not they should even be legal. Well, do you? I mean, talk about it because... I'd say do

everything you can in your power to prevent a surveillance state, the surveillance state, from becoming even more powerful. So these kinds of regulations, and it's weird how... Many of these roads lead back to Mark fucking Zuckerberg. It's weird, dude. It's like Zucker, Meta is putting out the recording glasses. Meta's behind Facebook. You know, Instagram meta.

It's all fucking, it all goes back. It all goes back there. It's just weird that these, you know, these are things that clearly, like, I don't want to be recorded at a restaurant by some dude with sunglasses on. I don't want to be recorded at the airport, but. You are being reported. Get rid of the sunglasses. People have their phones out at all times. There's cameras fucking everywhere.

You don't know whose cameras those are. I just saw in Japan, they're a huge problem they're having is like people putting these tiny little wireless cameras into the ladies rooms to watch women take shits and pisses. And they have to like, you have to go before you, if you're a lady in Japan, you've got to scan the walls to make sure some purve hasn't put a little tiny. camera there. And this is going to keep happening. It's not like that's going to go away until there's just, you're going to hear a fly and be like, God damn it, is that a fucking camera? Like the schizaph, the land of the classic paranoid schizophrenic that they, you thought was happening and people are like, that's not happening is now happening. Your TV is watching you and your TV is changing its programming because it wants to, you know, get you to buy shit.

Your phone is listening to you and communicating with your TV to get you to buy shit. All this stuff except it's all happening. It must be a really frustrating time to be a paranoid schizophrenic. See? See? See? I mean, like, yeah. Or maybe it's reassuring.

I'm not crazy. Yeah, I know. They're listening. I just hope we are. They're listening to you. They're listening to us. And who gives the shit? I mean, I guess that's where you've got to go.

You have to go like, all right. And I'm like, oh, they're listening. It's like, good. Like, I don't have anything to hide. And if I did say, bomb, I hope someone's going to check to see if they're, you know, like, there's good and bads. It's like, just know the game that you're playing. Know that you have this thing that is doing it and don't like use the positives. Like, oh, isn't that funny?

I was brought talking about flowers. Now I got an ad for flowers. Like, well, yes, that's going to happen. Yeah, that's going to happen. And you just. We don't have to take notes anymore or saving time. It is helping us in so many different ways. But we just can't deny the reality.

Don't deny reality. And I think reality is getting hard. Also, you can't deny something else. Yes. You can't deny the fact that if it is happening right now, that everything's being recorded through our phones and TVs, as has been proven a million times, then that means that there is some theoretical possibility

that everything we ever said or did has been recorded and duplicated by an artificial intelligence and extantuated into some kind of simulation, which you and I are currently existing in, and that's what we are, is that, we in fact are just the reanimated patterns of two dudes from a time long gone that are being resurrected again and again and again by some kind of artificial intelligence, you know, right? Yeah.

Yeah. My dad's sperm was AI. Exactly. That's the name of the episode. That's the name of the episode. Derek, thank you so much. I love you, pal. You know that.

I, dude, I owe you big, man. And I miss you. Come to Austin. I miss you. I'm going to come to Austin. Come to Austin. When you come here, when, yeah, I didn't get to see you last time, but I would love to come down there and see you. Congrats.

Thank you for having me. I love you, buddy. Congrats on your life, dude. Congrats on fun. Could I ask you one question? Yeah. Or do you want to end it and then I ask you real quick? Or I just, I'll say goodbye.

Now everyone's going to wonder what you want to ask. wait, this is something off camera. No, I'm just curious about something I was thinking about today. What? How can I get the record of the Jim Jones song? Like, where did you get that? The Jim Jones? The, the, that your opening song.

I'll send it to you. Isn't that? Okay. I'll send it to you. I don't know if it's available anymore. That's what I figured. I don't know. I have no idea.

I just, I've always wanted to have that song. I love it. I will send it to you immediately. Anything you want to put up there? I love you, pal. Oh, don't forget to watch Comedy Central paid for by Paramount Plus Viacom. No, drunk history on YouTube, Comedy Central. I have one funny thing really quick, and you can edit it out if you want.

Shit, what was I going to say? Oh, so, best joke, I like, very proud of something that I wanted to brag about, that I realized, I didn't realize till the other day. What? I used to say a lot, if I'm talking about something that no one cares about, I would say, Who Givesashtonorg.

Right? Yeah. And one time I said it on the show, and I looked it up, and if you go to Who Givesasashtonorg, it takes you to Paramount Plus. Drunker Straight. That I was like,

wow. I couldn't, I was like, so I think because I made the joke, they had to buy. That is so funny. Yeah, so I'm very proud of that domain joke. Derek Waters, you're an angel.

I love you, Duncan Trusel. Thank you, too. Hared Krishna. I'll see you soon. I know I will. I can feel it. Me too. All right, buddy.

Bye. That was Derek Waters, everybody. Don't forget to watch the new episodes of drunk history on YouTube. All the links are down there. See you guys next week. Until then, Hara Krishna.