Duncan Trussell Family Hour - Drew Carey

Episode Date: November 30, 2016

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where recording intros is nearly impossible because it sounds like I've been sucking back great plumes of high-powered hashish mixed in with opium. I'm just raving. I sound like somebody out of a Coleridge poem or a HP Lovecraft story, just babbling about how I think I can talk to the birds. So I don't know how much longer

I'm gonna attempt to record these intros. And also I don't have much choice because the battery's running out on my recorder here. So we've just got to jump right into this episode, but I do want to say I've discovered something incredible that I hope you will investigate. I was looking into Ganesh. If you don't know who Ganesh is,

Ganesh is the elephant-headed Hindu god who has a really amazing backstory. The way Ganesh ended up with an elephant head is pretty amazing. But I realized Ganesh rides around on a mouse or a shrew. And I was really curious about that, so I looked it up. And it's pretty interesting, man. You should definitely check it out

because of all the vehicles, as they're called, all the Hindu gods have vehicles that they ride around in and the way that there's like mounts in World of Warcraft. The Hindu gods, some of them ride around on, I don't know, eagles, I think, or dragons or whatever. But Ganesh, the remover of obstacles, the god that represents the grace that allows you to get past what appears to be

some of the most impossible barriers in your life, chose as his mount a shrew or a mouse. And in some of the paintings, or a rat, in some of the paintings, the rat kind of looks like a little bit like a dick. Like it doesn't, you know, like in some of the paintings, it doesn't even look like the sweetest mouse or rat or shrew or whatever it is.

But I think this is the most genius idea because there's different ways of looking at it. But the idea is that on one level, mice can get anywhere. They can go anywhere. They're so good at like squeezing through tiny little cracks or going into places that it seems like it would be impossible to get to. And then on another level, rats or mice,

especially when the mythology of Hinduism was being formed, they were the most, they were catastrophic. It was if you got mice in your crops or in your greenhouse or if mice got into your pantry or if mice got anywhere, then they could destroy your business. So it's so profound that the being that is responsible for getting you through the most difficult times in your life rides around on a symbol

for that thing that can destroy your life or screw you up royally. It's a really cool thing. I love it. It's the idea that whatever your particular obstacle is, whatever the thing is that is in your way, the thing that you're resisting, the thing that you wake up freaking out over,

the thing that comes to you in the middle of the day and fills your stomach with acids and makes you shit blood if you have ulcers. Hopefully that's not happening, but whatever the thing is, that is actually potentially your vehicle. That is the thing that you can use to ride around or through over or into whatever your obstacle may be.

And that's such a cool idea, man, it really is. And we all know what the actual obstacle is. If you study any of this stuff at all, the actual obstacle is quite often your ego. It has nothing to do with the external world and more to do with some blockage inside of you, some inability to harmonize with whatever is going on in your life more than some external thing.

It's always your ego, usually. But I like Ganesh, opposed to some of the other gods, the more ferocious Hindu gods like Kali or Shiva, who represent different methods or ways that the universe can help you overcome, annihilate, come to terms with, whatever you wanna say, different ways for you to deal with your ego.

You know, Kali is a ferocious, terrifying-looking being. And that's one way that the universe takes care of our ego problems. I feel like I've kind of experienced that a little bit. That's when you end up with cancer, family member passing. And I was just having a conversation with somebody out here in Hawaii, and I'm about to have a billion amazing conversations

because I'm going to a Ram Dass retreat, and I got to hang out with some of the Ram Dass satsang and had a cool conversation with someone out here who experienced a pretty tragic loss. And she was talking about how what, you know, a lot of people don't understand is when you experience a loss, when you experience some kind of profound loss in your life,

it ends up teaching you how to be happy. And I guess that's what Kali represents, is this thing that seems just brutal and something you'd never want to invite into your life, ends up on the other side being the thing which gives you so much joy and happiness and lets you really connect to life. But I like Ganesh because maybe Ganesh represents

not necessarily having to go through some catastrophe to get to that point of happiness. Maybe Ganesh represents not having to join the dead mom's club or the dead friend's club to get to the place where you realize how beautiful life is. Maybe Ganesh represents another pathway to get to that profound state of being grateful

just for your life, just for the ability to stand up, just for the ability to inhale. And maybe you don't always have to go through some kind of miserable hell to get to that place. Maybe the world and the beauty of the world is enough to get you there. And maybe if you're particularly smart and you're not like some of us,

you don't need to have a mind detonate in your life to realize how cool this place is. Either way, I'm getting into Ganesh, study Ganesh's mouse or rat or shrew because it's a supremely cool symbol, especially for those of you out there who are dealing with some particular struggle. All right, that's enough of me rambling.

I'm sorry, I'm about to go to a meditation retreat. Friends, we have a mind-bendingly psychedelic and somewhat clumsy episode of the Duncan Tressel Family Hour podcast for you today. This episode was recorded inside of virtual reality. So in virtual reality, you run into a few problems. Number one, you don't have the normal cues from the audience. People can't really applaud in virtual reality.

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Everybody please welcome to the Dunkin' Trussell Family Hour podcast, The Beautiful Drew Carey. Welcome to the Dunkin' Trussell Family Hour. Welcome, welcome on you that you are with us shake and glory to the world. Welcome to you, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome. It's the Dunkin' Trussell family.

Dunkin' Trussell, Dunkin' Trussell, Dunkin' Trussell, Dunkin' Trussell, Dunkin' Trussell, Dunkin' Trussell. Hey guys, just to preface this, a little bit of this got cut off because of a technical error. This is the first question I had for Drew, but it was about the fact that he had just met that day with the Dalai Lama's Oracle.

Also, any bleeps or bloops you hear in the background? That's the sound of emoticons, which are the virtual reality version of laughter and applause. Okay, here we go. So, hello friends, sorry. You mean, you can't expect this to work perfectly. It's insane that it works at all.

Drew, so I was gonna say how it's so funny to me that you kind of casually talk about getting to hang out with the Dalai Lama's Oracle. Because I've looked at YouTube videos of him. First of all, I don't think a lot of people are aware of the fact that the Dalai Lama has an Oracle, but what's really interesting is when you see what he does in these rituals, it's insane, man.

Like he goes into a full kind of voodoo trance. Yeah, then he puts on this shake. Then he puts on this giant headset, which in this thing that weighs like 60 pounds or something, and he puts it on his head and just moves his neck around and dances around with it on, that would like a normal person would just really hurt their neck.

And he's 60 years old, or he's gonna be 60 next July, so he's 59 years old. So he's just like a, and he's a monk, and he's in the weight room every day, but he puts on this big giant thing and just dances around with this. You gotta look at the YouTube videos of it. It's pretty crazy, but it's in this trance.

He has like the strength of 10 men, and then the Oracle advises the Dalai Lama through him. So he's not the actual Oracle, he's the conduit, and he's the one that gives the information to the Dalai Lama. Right, so he's getting possessed by some kind of spirit as well as happening, right? So yeah, I don't think people know that that even happens,

because when I watch that video, it definitely reminds me of videos I've seen of people going into like voodoo trances where spirits possess them. It's actually, he's the one that, well, I don't think it was him, it was like another Oracle before him. He's the one that was the one that advised

the Dalai Lama to ski dad a lot of Tibet when the Chinese were coming. Wow. So for example, that kind of thing. Does he advise you? Yeah, I think he used those actually words skedaddle. No, he doesn't advise me at all, although we've had some pretty interesting conversations

and just being around this guy, like I remember one time I was like, what was it, last Thanksgiving? I think I was late for dinner and I had, he was in town and I was gonna meet him, and I was getting really annoyed at traffic and I was late and just, you know, just like, and it was the Thanksgiving before,

the couple of years ago. And I stopped by this one house, the temple was a building, and I stopped by this one house to meet with him. And as soon as I walked in and shook his hand, every stress went away. Just being around this guy, he's so loving and non-judgmental

and just being around somebody like, there, you have to worry about anything, it's great. Like, yeah, it's just a really good presence about him. So it was kind of nice. So when he becomes possessed with the Oracle, I've never seen it. I've never seen it. I've never seen it.

I've never seen it. Did they do that? Did they do it in the United States or did they just do it in India? No, he only does it every once in a while for the Dalai Lama. It's a special ceremony that they all get together for. It's not something he just does.

It looks painful to him. It looks like it hurts when you see it. Yeah, mostly he goes, he travels and he helps raise money and he advises temples and like, you know, helps pick out like different llamas that are gonna come to each or different monks that are gonna come to each at the different temples. And he's like a bishop in a Catholic church kind of thing.

Like, if you can think of him as that or a card one. When did you start getting into Buddhism? Just a few years ago. You know, when I met this guy, let me see, when was it? It was probably, well, probably now, like eight years ago, eight, 10 years ago, somewhere around there. It was such a gradual thing.

It's not like I went to a Buddhist meeting and became a Buddhist one day. I just got, you know, started studying different philosophies of things and just eventually became a Buddhist. What is it about Buddhism that appeals to you the most? Well, last year I went to, I did a pretty life-changing thing.

I went to Vipassana meditation class. I don't know if you've ever heard of these things. It's a 10 day course. They teach it all over the world. You can go to dama.org, d-h-a-m-m-a.org. And look up, there's centers all over the world. And they don't charge anything. They only ask for donations.

You don't have to donate a thing. It's free if you want it to be. They feed you and everything. And it's 10 days of meditation. From, you get up at four in the morning, you start meditating at 4.30, and you meditate all day until like nine o'clock at night. And there's breaks for breakfast, lunch, and dinner,

and little five-minute breaks in between. But it's pretty intense. And they teach you this technique that the Buddha taught to people. There's been lots of Buddhas before him and after him, but the people, the famous one. That Buddhism is named after. So they teach that form of meditation.

And the idea is to rid yourself of craving and aversion. And the meditation is a practice of that. So while you're meditating, you're not craving anything and you're not averse to anything. Because in Buddhism, craving and aversion is the basis of all suffering. You want something, you don't get it.

You're sad, you're mad, you suffer. You have an aversion to something, somebody you think is attacking you or calling you a name or stealing something you think you are. And that causes you suffering. So it teaches you to let go of all that kind of thinking. And it's a good philosophy. It helps us especially in show business.

I don't know if anybody who've ever read that book or heard of this book called The Four Agreements. That's kind of Buddhist-y, because one of the second agreement is don't take anything personally, which is spits right into Buddhism. Anytime that you can't be insulted, nobody can hurt you, nobody can hurt your car

or get an accent with you or stealing from me because it's not, it doesn't bother you anymore because you realize that you can't take anything personally and nothing is yours. And it was kind of a nice philosophy of life. It's a nice philosophy, but I've heard different versions of it, but when-

Well, there's a lot to it. There's a lot to it. I'll give a regular one minute. But to, I'm just, no, it's a great synopsis of the thing. But there's a lot to it. But how do you, as Drew, as Drew Carey, like let's say working on the price is right, when do you find yourself using the tools

that you've learned from Vipassana or Buddhism? Like what are some examples of you making this stuff actionable in your life? Oh, well, like, I don't know, whenever somebody insults me on Twitter, doesn't think I do a good job on the price is right or says something bad about me or writes bad article, but I used to get really upset about that stuff

when I was on the Drew Carey show, especially early on, if I read a bad article, I would like, what the hell was this person? You know, who they think they are? And now I just don't care, honestly. Like you could write a whole book or a website called Drew Carey Sucks and just insult me every day and it wouldn't even register with me, I don't think.

So, by the way. I don't do it, he says, who would do that? You're America's sweetheart. No one's gonna do that to you, you're the sweetest man on earth, but I do. But that doesn't bother me and I don't take the compliments that seriously either. It's all, I'm just saying, like, since we're all avatars,

one, this is my, this is a basic thing, like nobody can insult you, you're just an avatar for somebody. You know, if you're like ducking, you have a beard. So somebody might have a problem with somebody with beards from their childhood or a bad, you know, experience they had or a bad relationship and they see you, they don't like you, they don't like your voice or something, whatever it is,

they just use driving crazy and there's nothing you can do about it, it's a statue. It's between them and their relationship to the universe and it has nothing to do with you at all. So why would it even bother you? They might as well be calling you a Martian or something and that's how I started to look at it. It's like somebody calling you a Martian,

like it just doesn't, right? It sounds so stupid. Hey, you're a frog and you know, you're not a frog. So why would you get upset at that? It's just somebody dealing with the world. We're all children in certain ways. This is another one of my basic philosophies if you want to talk about all this kind of stuff

that we're all children in all different aspects of our life. Like when you're a child, you learn different things, but also when you're adult, you're, suppose an adult, you're presented with all these different situations, you've never been in before, you don't know anything about. So in that respect, in that situation, you're a child. So if somebody is mad at you or has a thing with you, they haven't learned how to deal with this situation yet

or how to deal with somebody like you or deal with the thing they're in. So in that respect, they're a child. So you have to be able to forgive them just like you would forgive a child. Like if you, anybody has kids, if you have a five-year-old or a four-year-old, it doesn't mean you like it

when they're throwing a tantrum or screaming that's, you know, you want them to stop. You don't want to hang around somebody's doing that, but you don't show up the next day and go, oh, there's that son of a bitch that was yelling at me yesterday. You don't do that to a five-year-old because you didn't get the five-year-old,

doesn't know any better. Well, anybody that does anything to you doesn't know any better. And that helps you, if you can go through that thought process, it really helps you to have forgiveness for that other person because they literally, it's like Christ on the cross when he said they don't know what they're doing,

they literally don't know what they're doing because they've never been in that situation. And they, even if they've been in the situation over and over and keep doing the same thing, the universe is presenting them, here's the situation you have to learn to deal with. They don't get it, they get the lesson again. They don't get it, they get the lesson again.

They keep repeating the class until they get it. Okay, so, all right, but what about when it's somebody who is clearly maliciously doing something to you, like I hear everything you're saying and I do agree with it, but I know that some people, when they hear that stuff, they react to it, but I guess I'll give the worst admonition of Buddhism

I ever heard, they call it, one of my friends said, you're just engaging in passive hipster Buddhism. It's a form of a passivity. Yeah, yeah, it's a trained form of passivity where you are telling yourself, well, you know, this is a child, father forgive them, they know not what they do,

but really the reality is that life is more akin to what Nietzsche taught. This is, it's about power. It's like, you must fight back. If you don't fight back, then people will take advantage of you. So, what do you do from a Buddhist perspective when you get the feeling

that somebody is taking more than they should? First of all, I don't, I don't, it takes so much psychic energy to deal with somebody who's constantly hurting you, constantly going after you. That's why I've broken up with people, like fiber. And that's why there's friends that I don't see as much anymore,

that I don't see at all anymore, because they're just too much to handle it to, I don't want the negativity, I don't want that burden of having them around. I don't go to places where I'm gonna be challenged all the time, like I don't purposely put myself into places or even try to accident where I have to go, oh, this is gonna be,

everybody's gonna be fighting me and hating me, because it's just gonna be this constant psychic battle in my head for giving you, rationalizing all that stuff. So, first of all, I void all that stuff. Yeah, it means you don't have to, you don't have to hang around these people at all. If somebody in your life is doing bad things to you or hurting you to get away and don't deal with them,

let them go off and be mad on their own. All right, so let's say that that person is your mom and you're 17, or that person, because a lot of people end up in families where they can't escape or... Well, here's another one that I've made, basic beliefs that I have that really helped me out, but we're all here to purpose a life thing,

we're all here to teach and learn, and that's what I really believe. So, you're always teaching other people something, whether you know it or not, whether it's conscious or not. You're teaching them love, you're teaching them patience, you're teaching them how not to be. We can talk about Trump in that respect if you want to,

because that's a... Sure. I've come up with my anti-Trump shield because of that. And it's like, and you're always learning for something. So, for some, you don't know, if somebody really does something awful to you or is being really bad where it's really in your face, you should ask yourself,

what's the lesson I'm trying to learn here? Like, am I supposed to learn to be more patient? Am I supposed to learn not to be so needy? Am I supposed to learn to be not so greedy about my things? If I got robbed, was I too attached to my car? Is that why my car got in an accident? Was I too attached to this thing? Is that why I was destroyed by this other person?

What's the lesson I'm supposed to learn in my life from this? And take the lesson and then move on. That makes sense? Right, yeah, totally. But, so, now, so, what about when I was talking about... Sorry, go ahead. No, I was talking about Trump, because Trump is like a...

I'm not a big fan of his, I'm sorry if you are. I'm not trying to argue with you about it, vote for if you want to. But, to me, he's a teacher. And he's like... I read it, there was a New York Times or something, something wrote about all the great things he's doing for women right now,

which is true, it is the same kind of philosophy. Like, because all this stuff is coming out about him, the way he treats women and the way he treats people, everybody is learning how not to behave. And everybody is seeing how the world abores that and how many people are like, oh my God, that's horrible. So, anybody that's even borderline like that or thought that was cool because they're friends to it

is now realizing that's not a way to behave. And because of his, it's almost like he decided before he was born, I'm gonna give a gift to the world, I'm gonna be the biggest asshole in the world, just to teach people to be patient, loving and more kind. And I think something really good is gonna come out of that because of his behavior. And people are gonna be treated better from now on

and people are gonna be more tolerant from now on because you don't wanna be like that Trump, you know. That's how people are gonna raise their kids and it's gonna be different. Oh, sorry. That's why I love that, that's beautiful. I love that, I think that's a very beautiful idea. Because I haven't looked at Trump

through such an optimistic perspective, like regardless of Trump being the teacher. I had to think to myself, because I would read the paper going, oh, I get so upset and like full of angst. Oh no, what's happening to me? What's the lesson I'm trying to learn? And I realized, oh, this guy is a teacher to everybody.

Like so the example of the 17 year old with the bad parent, Wayne Dyer talked about it. There's a really famous self-help author he died a few years ago, who was really influential for me named Wayne Dyer. And his dad was a big asshole. And he talked about his dad being his teacher. Like the dad said, you know, I wanna raise a kid

who's patient, loving and tolerant. So I'm gonna be an asshole. So the dad was a total asshole to him and he had to learn to be patient with everybody, to be loving with everybody. So that's the only way he could get through this repel with his father. Hold on, wait, hold on, wait, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Can I cut you off for a second? You're saying that this father, this father said to himself, I wanna raise a sweet son, so I'm gonna be a fucking asshole? Well, no, I wanna teach people to be patient and kind. So, you know, if I'm poking you and annoying you which if you can get, if you can learn from that,

be patient with me, you can be patient with everybody and love everybody, if you can do it. This is what the dad, that's my gift to you. I think that's cool. I mean, I get it conceptually, but it sounds like the worst fucking dad on earth. I'm burning you with this cigarette, so you'll learn to love, boy.

Yeah, but it's curious. But you don't know when you're born, what kind of lessons you need to learn and how you need to learn them. Everybody gets presented things in a different way. That's right. And you could also, if you're 17, just run the fuck away from home and get away from them

and try to be around some people that are nice to you. Absolutely, yeah. I mean, I do think you do eventually have to become autonomous and get away from the darkness if you can. As much as you can, don't be around it, yeah. And that includes like stuff you read and books you read. Like if you're always presenting yourself with dark themes, horrible things, things are bad.

That's, what if this, Dennis Waitley, had a really good thing in one of his books. He said, if a 30 minute commercial can sell you on a product, why can't a 30 minute TV show sell you on a lifestyle? You know, if all you watch is reality shows of people, I like reality shows, kind of reality shows where just people

are fighting all the time, like those kind of reality shows where it's all about who's mad at who, who's fighting with who, and they can't wait to get in a fight for the camera because that looks good for the camera. That's teaching you that this is a good way to be, that you should be prideful in fighting

and don't let anybody say anything bad about you. And if the slightest provocation, just go off and yell because that's the right way to behave. And you might think it's a show, but it's not just a show, that's teaching you a behavior. And the more you watch that, even if you think you're fighting it,

that's gonna seep in a little bit. Just as if you see a Coca-Cola commercial over and over, next time you read a story, you're gonna subconsciously choose Coca-Cola for Pepsi. Do you attribute your success as a comedian to these ideas? Do you think, because it seems like you have had, like as far as like comedy goes,

you've had kind of a dream life. Like you have had the most incredible, yeah, it's amazing. So at what point did these philosophies become part of your lifestyle? Or was it always kind of built into you? No, I had to learn all this stuff. Like when I started doing stand-up,

well, even before I started doing stand-up, I started listening to like self-help tapes. I would buy like Dennis Whaley, Zig Ziglar, and I would buy like the old cassette tapes I had and I would put them in and when I was on the road, I would, instead of listening to music all day long, I would take Zig Ziglar tapes out and I would just pop the first tape in

and just listen to five hours of Zig Ziglar or Dennis Whaley or whoever, Earl Nightingale, telling me good advice on how to live my life and all these really good philosophies. And then when I get to the hotel room, I'd read, you know, Ag Mandino and people like that, and I had to learn all this stuff. I didn't learn it from my family.

So, but this was happening, like you were absorbing this information before your kind of meteoric success as a comedian. Like this was when you were doing the dirty road. You've told me some stories about going on the road and they're just toe-curlingly horrible. So, as you truly, like, for those of you who aren't comedians, there's something comedians call the dirty road.

There's two different roads. There's the dirty road and then there's the road. The dirty road is where you drive yourself from point A to point B, no flights. So you're driving like between four to, God knows how many hours a day. You maybe have enough time to get somewhere to take a shower.

Maybe you're sleeping in your car. You go on stage in front of maybe nobody in roadhouses and shit clubs all across the country. And a lot of comics are out there doing it right now. And that's called the dirty road. Drew, how long were you on the dirty road for? You spent some time out there, right? Oh, yeah, I had a, I was in Cleveland

and I was in this relationship with this girl. We actually talked about getting married. It was a really serious relationship. And I missed doing the Tonight Show, which is another long story. And I decided I have to go out to LA cause I didn't want to miss doing the Tonight Show again. So I said, we got to move.

So we packed up all the stuff and we moved out to California. And I was on the road for like three weeks out of the month constantly. And we didn't have any money and she had to get a part-time job somewhere. Like we weren't seeing each other at all. We had no money.

And we ended up breaking up and I was so heartbroken about it cause it really, we did talk about like, you know, how nice it would be to get married and where are we going to get married? And we had all these like, wouldn't it be nice to be in the bag? We had it all planned out, even though it wasn't official.

We were really in love with each other. And when I broke up, I decided, well, I'm just going to go on the road. And just back, cause I didn't have any place to live right there and I didn't want to move back to Cleveland. So I packed up my car and I just started gigging, gig to gig. For 18 months, I traveled gig to gig to gig,

just driving in my car. And a lot of times, honestly, driving and crying. Like a song would come on and trigger it. And I would be, it would be nighttime and some love song come on and I would just like start bawling and just like driving while I was crying. Yeah, it was really rough.

And I did that for 18 months. I was never in any place more than a week for 18 months, including my old house in Cleveland. My friend Jerry lived there while I was gone. So even when I went back to Cleveland for a week, if I was in that area, I would go sleep on the couch or up in a spare room in my own damn house.

And then I would go back on the road again. And I stayed in comedy condos, I stayed in hotels, everything I owned fit in my car. I had a bunch of stuff in storage, but pretty much everything just fit in my car and I would unload my car and arrange the room in a certain order. So it kind of looked like home all the time.

And I would put the different pictures out and arrange everything in the bathroom exactly the same way. So it always felt like I was a little bit at home. And I did that for 18 months, then I came back to LA. But when I got back to LA, my act was so strong, I was unstoppable. That's when I got the Tonight Show

and all that stuff after that. So that period of that year and six months was that was kind of the crucible where you became a comedian? Yeah, I'm telling you, I was like nothing mattered but my act. Like if I wasn't funny, then I was miserable. He couldn't talk to me, couldn't function.

I didn't look anybody in the eye until I did the next show and I was funny. And then I was like, hey, I was like the most swaggy person in the world. I was like way up or way down and just like, I couldn't, everything depending on, everything had depended on my whole self-worth depended on how I did on stage.

What were you telling yourself? Every day depended on what happened when I got on stage. What were you streaming? Plus I listened to those self-help types all the time. You know, constantly during the day to keep the fuck myself up and keep myself on track. Do you remember any moment during that 18 months where you thought, you know what?

It's not worth it. I'm gonna go live a normal life, this comedy thing. No, no, no, no, no. I couldn't wait to get off the road and get back to LA. Like after about a year and a couple of months, I was like, well, I gotta get back to LA because I'm not doing this forever. Cause I could see I could be

how somebody could get trapped like that, just keep on doing it. And I just wanted to have some kind of, I wanted to have a girlfriend. Like I was going to strip clubs all the time just cause that was the only time I could see a girl. Like the idea of like hugging somebody and like cuddling or anything like that.

I just couldn't do it. Cause I was always on the road, a new place every week. So I would go to a strip club, just to cuddle up with somebody and have a talk with a girl. That was crazy. Was there- It just felt lonely all the time and miserable?

Do you remember as you're listening to this stuff, do you remember a moment when you actually began to do experiments, practicing some of the stuff that you were hearing on these audio books? Do you remember when like you started actually using it during this 18 month period? And it started working.

Yeah. Well, you know, well, I was so, man, it was such a journey because like, there's this book called The University of Success by Augmentino. And the first chapters are just about self-worth. You know, like you deserve to be successful and you deserve to be happy and, you know, why can't you be happy?

Why shouldn't you have money? Why shouldn't you be what you ever want to be? Why can't you have that degree? You know, like this basic stuff that I had to learn and convince myself like, why shouldn't I headline? Why shouldn't I be funnier than the next guy? Why can't I be on the tonight's like, I had to convince myself that it was worth it

or that I was worth it. You know, like you, you'll never accomplish anything if you don't think you're worth it. If you don't think you can, like, why would you bother if you think you're a worthless person? You wouldn't even try. So like, you know, people ask me like,

when I lost the weight, what was the first step? Like, you know, what pill did you take? What diet did you go on? The very first step actually was a psychological step. I thought my kid was, I did some math and I was in really bad health. And I think, well, I'm not gonna live long enough to see my kid graduate from high school

and I couldn't even play with them for five minutes because I would get too tired. And then to get out of that, I thought, well, I have to get out of that. And to get out of that, Nicole, Connor's mom, I remember this is a real key thing. One time she said, I'm gonna get, I just bought like the sloppiest clothes all the time.

I would go to the gap and I wouldn't even go to the gap. I would go online and buy like clothes for the summer and then I would buy clothes for the winter. Twice a year, I would get this big mail-in order from the gap and underwear, socks, everything. Cause I knew all the sizes. I didn't care if I looked like a slob because I just wanted, these were my fat clothes.

And I always had a plan to lose weight, but I never did cause I'd probably bother cause I was fat and horrible and ugly. Why would I bother? Not worth it. So Nicole said, we're gonna take you shopping and get you some good clothes. So we went to like a store,

got a personal shopper in Vegas and they got me, I mean, they were big clothes but they were like designer clothes. And I thought, oh, I looked a little better, you know? And I was really happy getting this stuff that wasn't from the gap. And all of a sudden I thought, oh, I deserve to look good and I deserve to have nice things and I can look good.

And that gave me the trigger to think like, oh, why shouldn't I lose weight? I deserve it. Why shouldn't I try to make my body look better? I deserve it. And I really had to come up with this idea of even deserving to do that first before I even lost the weight.

And the problem, the downward spiral when you're overweight or anything like that is people make you feel like, or people don't, you make you feel because you're looking at beautiful people in magazines or on the internet or whatever you're checking off to or ads in the magazine, that that's how you have to look to be attractive to people

and that's how you have to look to be worthwhile but you don't, you don't. And you don't have to be a perfect body to be worthwhile and have a lot of in your life. That's what I thought. I was just, that didn't your mis-roll. So you want to punish yourself by eating this like slow suicide that you put yourself through

with sugar and everything else. And so you don't have to break out of that. You just have to start loving yourself more. Whatever you have to do to love yourself. And then saying, you know, you deserve to work out. You deserve to be slim. You deserve to be healthy. That's not even about being slim because I'm not.

I'm like 20 pounds, 25 pounds overweight right now. But you just want to be healthy so you think you can live longer. Just do active things. Like I used to get on prices right when I was filming. Let's talk for a second. Can we talk for a second about this concept of loving yourself?

Like, you know, everybody hears that all the time. Love yourself, love yourself, love yourself. And yet it seems like a lot of people aren't really that familiar with what love even means. Like what is, to you, how would you define love? Well, it's got to be unconditional, you know, for one thing and you don't like, you can't, when I took this Vipassana class,

one of the nicest things about it was that I only looked in the mirror three times the whole 10 days. And that was the shade because my face was starting to itch. I didn't want that itchy face while I was meditating. So I looked in the mirror and I shade. The whole rest of the time I never looked.

So I never got that, you constantly looking in the mirror like, oh, I'm getting older and oh, look, I'm fatter. Oh, I'm so skinny or oh, yeah, like tits or oh, my dick is, like whatever you're looking at, you don't think you're good enough. Oh, my butt, you know, and oh, my clothes. And you get that little flash of judgment. Every time you walk by a glass on the street,

windowpane, every time you look in the mirror, every time you're washing your hands, constantly all day. And I didn't have any of that. And it was so freeing and nice. I didn't realize until I got out, I was like, oh my God, that was the greatest thing that I didn't have this self-judgment all the time. So you kind of have to get over that and get rid of that.

It's a tough thing to do because you've, people, most people have been telling themselves their whole life, I'm an eight, I'm a five, you know, they rate themselves, they tell themselves who they deserve, who they don't deserve. And you got to get over all that, you know. But how? I mean, again, it's like, you go to a posh and retreat,

there's no mirrors, but from day to day, you hear, you know, when I think of loving myself, or loving anyone for that matter, Drew, it seems theoretically to be like, I know what it means. And maybe if I'm on MDMA, I really know what it means. But in normal default reality, when you're just experiencing day to day life, which I think for a lot of people

are is varying moments of fear, anxiety, fluctuating numbness, how do you summon up this self-love that you hear again and again and again in so many scriptures and self-help books? How do you find it when it seems like there's just nothing there? Oh, well, you know, one of the things is to live a life of gratitude

and live a life of thankfulness. Like just remind yourself how lucky you are to, like, you get to count your blessings, man. That's a big part of it. Right. You know, you, I mean, whatever you have, whatever you can be thankful for, just count your blessings and start doing that.

And right away, you feel like, oh, these are all good things about me. You know, I might not be good at math, but I'm good at English. I might not be a good athlete, but I'm smart. It might be, like, whatever it is about you that you can tell yourself you're good at or worthwhile about, just grab onto that,

like a life raft and just hold on to it as tight as you can, even if it's one thing. You know, I've heard, you know, there's a guy, do you ever go to Agape Church? You ever listen to Michael Beckwith at all? No. I've heard of Agape Church, but I've never been there. He's amazing, but one of the things he says

when you're trying to summon up gratitude, one of the things he says is just be grateful for the fact that you can hold your pee in. Like, start there, like, you know what I mean? Like, start it like just the fact if you can hold yourself upright, start there. If you have, if you were able to feel your hands, because so many people in the world,

they don't have this luxury, they're not able to do this. So even starting with some kind of aesthetic sense, maybe you don't have that, but just the fact that you're not constantly shitting yourself definitely puts you ahead of maybe 5% of your species, probably babies, more than that, babies are always shitting themselves. So you could be glad of that.

So I love that. I mean, I think it's very pragmatic. Because, you know, we hear so much, this goddamn love yourself shit over and over and over again. To the, you know, to the, and it's true. That's goddamn love yourself shit, tired of it. No, but it's true. The problem is it's true, but it's like,

but it's like a perfume that we hear that too much. Yeah. Well, also, because people like to shit on the cells all the time, because they felt that they have an agreement with themselves that they're not worthwhile. They hear love themselves like, oh my God, this fucking love myself shit. Yeah.

Why would I have to, you know, get off me about that? You think the responses I've gotten from people, if you even mention you should love yourself, some people have never even considered that. They haven't even thought of it. And when they do think about it, they say, oh, this is indulgent. Love yourself, you mean be egotistical?

What's the difference between being a narcissist and loving yourself? Well, man, you can love yourself. I don't love myself above all others. For one thing, I don't think everybody else is a piece of shit because I think I'm worthwhile. Because I mean, I think sometimes people think they're worthwhile and nobody else's.

They're above everybody else. You know, like I'm better than you because I have this. I have a Ferrari because I have this degree because I have this job. I'm better than you because I live in this neighborhood because I was born in this family and I was born in this skin. So I'm better than you.

I think that's a little, I don't know the definition. I told the scientific definition of narcissism, but that's like a reward sense of self-worth. The idea is I'm okay and you're okay. You know, I'm worthwhile, you're worthwhile. We all have a place in the world. We all have our job to do. We all, everybody's taking part in helping the world go around.

Everybody makes society great. I tell people at prices right all the time. So somebody came to me, somebody I asked what they did for a living. I always talk to the audience, you know, I'm a busboy. I was the cockiest busboy in the world when I was a busboy. Right.

When I was a dishwasher, I was like, if you don't treat me right, wash your own dishes and see how this restaurant goes. If you don't think I'm important, you don't think I'm worthwhile. Bust your own tables and see how you like it. You know, I'm as important as the, when the restaurant's humming,

the dishwasher is as important as the manager, is as important as the cook, is as important as everybody else that works there, because if one person's not doing the job, the whole restaurant falls apart. And that's true with the whole world. Don't ever think you're worthwhile. Don't ever think your job is worthless. Don't ever think you're doing something menial.

Everybody has a place in this world and an important thing to do. That's beautiful, man. It really is. I love that. I think it's true. And it's, but there does seem to be, at least in these books,

they say that there is a direct correlation between abundance in your life and your ability to love yourself. And that if you're, you know, you do hear varying versions of the same story, which is if you hate yourself, if you hate yourself, like the best, sometimes the way I put it, it's like the example is, you know, you step on dog shit, right?

And if you go around and you're like, God, somebody smells like fucking dog shit. And then you're like, well, who, you're like, oh, it's me. That's totally happened to me. Yeah, right. Yeah, that's the worst, man. But in the same way, like people have a tiny little piece

of dog shit stuck in their heart and they go around the world and they're like, this world is dog shit. What a horrible world. Not realizing the fact that really it's not the world at all. It's the fact that inside of them is this tiny little piece of stinky negative energy that's gotten stuck inside of them. So, but again, I want to ask you, Drew,

because in Buddhism, one of the things you hear again and again is there is no self or our idea of what the self is is not truly what the self is, but more often than not, you hear, there really isn't a self or if there is a self, it's a kind of transient temporary thing that is a result of a kind of connection

with all other things. So, if the idea is to love yourself, what is it that you're loving? Are you loving your personality, your body, or is there some more ephemeral thing that you're supposed to? Maybe if I put it a different way, don't hate yourself. That makes more sense.

Yeah, yeah, that's easier. Yeah, I think that makes a lot more sense. Why would you cause yourself this pain, this unnecessary pain? It's not, you know, it's ridiculous. You know, that's, it's part of a, honestly, that creating an aversion thing is part of that. It's like this idea of like, I'm not this,

I'm not this thing that I want to be in my head. Therefore, I'm unhappy because I can't have this. Right. You know? Right, yeah. This version of me that I need to be. So, you have to get rid of that and just be loving about who you are at this moment, no matter what you have.

If you have no money, if you have money, if you have an education or not, like whatever you're, if you're sick, if you're not sick. Just to mean whatever situation you find at this, love that and admire that and be happy with that. Because otherwise, it's a craving. You're saying to yourself, oh, I'm sick. I can't love myself and be happy unless I'm well.

I'm not, I can't run, I'm not a healthy person yet. You know, I overeat, I do this to that. I can't be happy with myself until, do you ever get to catch yourself with this? Cause it's, I still have to catch myself when I do this. I'm making a plan, you know, I'm going to lose 30 pounds, but say for 80 pounds, whatever it was I originally, and after I lose that 80 pounds, then I'll be happy.

Yeah, ever catch yourself with people that, after I get my goal, I'll be happy. Well, that's causing a craving. And, you know, if you don't get it, you're telling yourself, I'm not going to be happy until this, I do this thing. Yeah, sure. So you have to love yourself to be overweight, sick, whatever you are right now.

Love yourself right now at this moment or nothing is going to happen to you. Just be miserable. Why would you want to do that? Okay, let me tell you, maybe you can walk me through this. Let me tell you what happened to me today. Today, I did the mistake that you make where you're, I don't know if you make the mistake.

I certainly make this mistake. All the time. I make mistakes all day. I don't know if you make this mistake. The mistake where you eat too much weed and you're like, oh yeah, I think I know the amount to take. And so like, you're like, oh yeah, this is definitely the right amount.

I'll be fine and you eat it. And then all of a sudden it's like the grim reaper is just banging you on the head with his side. It's the, it's the, right? So okay, so that happened. So that happened to me, that happened to me today. So I, you know, I- Did you eat a whole Cheeba Chew by yourself or something?

It was a Cheeba Chew. You know me very well, but it was not a whole Cheeba Chew. And honestly, it just seemed like a rather safe amount of Cheeba Chew to eat. So I ate it and then like I'm driving to a cafe to get some coffee and somewhere along the way, it was just like, oh my God, what the fuck is wrong with me? The world is ending.

What have I done? And it was like, you know, like just, just like a rain of neurotic internal meteors just flying through my head. And so in that moment, all of a sudden I thought, okay, wait, wait, wait, okay. This is a chance to practice what I've learned about Buddhism when I've learned from Ram Dass.

I'm just going to be in the present moment. And so I started breathing and suddenly for like, I don't know, maybe like 10 milliseconds, maybe half a second, it was like, God, the world is so beautiful. God, I'm so lucky to be alive. And then my mind immediately thought, dude, you need more goals.

You got to come up with some goals. And so then see, right? So like you can't, you can't just be fucking driving around stoned. You got to have goals. You can't look at the nature as beautiful. You got to have a purpose. Like, you know, you need to worry.

So Drew, when that happens, what is a person to do when you have this one part of your mind that's like, my God, we are in the garden of Eden. And another part that's telling you, fuck that. Would this garden be great if there was a house here? Would this garden be better if we had central heating? Would this garden be better if we had some misters? Yes, exactly.

How do you get past that? Well, first of all, you don't need a whole fucking shit with you. That's the point. He's like, defies an alcoholic drinking. You get a lot happier. Yeah, but it's kind of half serious. Because in the Vipassana thing, you're not allowed to have any alcohol or any kind of like, you know,

anything like that, or any kind of extra thing. They ask you to like to not drink or anything like that. Because that interferes with your thought process. And kind of a bad way sometimes. So, I mean, you're kind of asking for it when you get high and think like that. The first, I mean, who doesn't like to get high, but I would not judge myself on what I thought while I was high.

Yeah, but you have to realize that you were high when you had that. So don't judge yourself or even worry about it now. You were high when it happened. No, no, no, I'm not. Let it go, relax. I'm always high. It's not that. And also, to me, it's like, to me, it's not like,

I have no problem writing off the Chiba Chiba thing. But I think, even when I'm not high or when I'm not tripping, it still seems to be the part of the mind that is in charge is not the part of the mind that is accepting the beauty of life. But it's the planning part of the mind. Right. So what do you do about that part of the mind? It's the pot.

Just don't you don't judge it. Just let it happen. And when it goes away, just go back to being you. OK, but what about when you're not high and that same part of your mind is there? Like, you know, you let me you bought me that. You bought me that book called what's it called? Sapiens, right?

And it's really good. And OK, it's a great book. It's a great book. But one of the things I didn't know is that humans use 25%. 25% of your energy is going to run in your brain. So we've got this like incredible supercomputer running inside our heads, stoned or not. It is like processing 24 seven.

So all the time. So what what have you learned from Poshna about how to deal with that like that computer that you can't shut down that you call your mind? It's such a it's such a process. I mean, you can't don't think that you go to take this passion, of course, and then you get out and you're all of a sudden like a light switch on off and you're a perfect Buddha

being that Jesus all of a sudden. The way they put it is you might have like 100 stones when you carrying 100 stones and you come in and when you leave, you get one stone taken away and you meditate for another year. Another stone gets taken away. It's like this slow process. The best thing you could do, though, is whenever it because that happens to everybody, they call it in the Peshawna

world, they call it monkey mind because it's like the thoughts are swinging branch to branch and when you meditate, like your mind wanders constantly, as soon as you realize your mind is wandering, you bring it back and just concentrate in your breath and go back to the technique and the idea is to stop the monkey mind. But then you might have like out of the hour of meditation session, you might have 50 minutes of monkey mind without even

being aware of it. And then you're like, Oh, God, I mean, my mind has been wandering this whole time. Go back to normal. But the way to get around it is accept that it happens and then just forgive yourself and don't judge yourself about it. Because it's perfectly normal. It happens to everybody and it's a practice and you want to

practice not doing it and the meditation is that practice. You know, for an hour or two a day, how often you meditate and don't even worry about it. Did they do a guy that does it happen because it happens? Did they do it when you when you went to this great, but did they do a guided meditation with you? When you went there, it's a silent meditation and they teach you a technique like the night before and then they spend the

next day practicing and the guy that teaches it is on. He's dead now. He teaches it through audio and video recordings and he just like at the beginning he'll go like, remember, breathe through your nose and, you know, concentrate on your breath. Don't give me your mind. Can you, can you, can you walk us? Can you walk?

Do you got, can you walk us through it? Like the process? Can we, can everyone sitting there do a quick meditation now? No, but you can go with that. Well, well, it's a, it's not a, it's not a conducive thing. You have, it's, you need to be like in a quiet place alone. No distractions. Like you don't wear glasses or jewelry because you don't want

to feel that, like you don't want to feel your glasses on your head. You were like, I wear like comfortable, like loose clothes, like sweatpants and a t-shirt. So I don't feel any belts or shoes or anything on me. And the, the first thing they teach you though, the very first day is you concentrate on your breath. So you close your eyes, close your mouth and just breathe through your nose and all you do is constantly remain as still as you can with your body.

Close your eyes, get a quiet, no distractions and just concentrate on your breath and just think about your breath coming in and out, nothing else. And as soon as your mind wanders, go back to your breath. And if you just do that, that's just like an easy, basic thing. You'll always be able to breathe. And that's like the, and then it gets more complicated from there where you do like a body scan on the fourth day and all this kind of stuff. The original thing is just concentrating on your breath.

And that's like the basic part of it. And you can get that from the, from the website. You can just go there and learn it from the website. And it's not going to form a meditation too. Pretty much every day, pretty much, yeah. Some days I've missed. Here's a question for you. And, and then we're going to open the floor for questions.

Sure. Um, you're, you're one of the most successful, like people I know. So one of the, one question I used to ask people at the end of my podcast is, if there, if you could give the people listening, some advice, not like some ephemeral advice, though, I do think, or like some like, love yourself as great advice, but if you could give people like an actionable thing that they could do over the next few days that you think would create a positive shift in their existence, what would that thing be?

Well, I mean, everybody needs a, everybody's seeking a different thing. So you have to be your own seeker, you know, like, if I could give you advice, it might not apply to you because you might have that dealt with already. So with that caveat, um, I always recommend like on prices, right? If I, I mean, 18 year olds that had just graduated high school and I always given this advice, I tell them to go get any, but they can about setting goals. Cause I tell them to do what I did. Get any, any, but you can, but just go to, there's lots of them.

I did thinking, grow rich, uh, Zig Ziglar books, Dennis Waitley, um, and just go to Amazon and look up goal setting books. Don't read just one, but read a bunch of them and learn to be an expert goal setter because if you learn how to set goals for yourself that are only you, you know, uh, I'll give you the vision board example. Everybody knows what a vision board is, right? All it is is, uh, you'd use a big giant board and you put pictures of things that you want on there, like how fit you want to be, the car you want to drive,

the house you want to live in, you know, that kind of thing. The, the, the matter of women you want to date, just like your goals for your life, but in picture form. And if you don't do that for yourself, somebody else is making your vision board for you. Every ad you see, every porno you look at, every book read, every TV show. It's all a bunch of random strangers that don't give a fuck about you. They don't care whether you're happy or not.

They just want you to do this goal that I have set for you. You must buy this pizza. You must go on this vacation. You must do this thing and they're going to give you your own vision board unless you do your own and have your own fucking line in life. They're going to do it for you. So find your own goals. Find your own way to live your life, no matter what it is.

And don't leave your life by what else somebody else wants you to do. Live your life how you want to do. And the only way to do that successfully is to learn how to set goals. So I would tell you that. Beautiful, true carry everybody. Let him hear it. True carry. Give him a round of a motor kind of applause.

Beautiful man. That was really cool. Thank you. That was really cool. So all right, guys. So what we're going to do now, we're just going to like take some questions and to ask questions. I don't know exactly how you do it, but theoretically, if you raise your hand,

I'm going to be able to point at you and take your question. So some people are some people. Let me see. OK, here we go. See what happens if this works. If it doesn't, we're going to have to get someone in all space to do it. I don't think my control. There we go.

Are you there? No. Hey, all spit. Can you guys like help people ask questions? Because it's not working for me. Sure. So Rico, you are live. Yeah. Hey, guys. How you going down? I mean, there we go.

Hi, it's Richard, but close enough. We're in the ballpark. Oh, sorry. No, no, we're good, guys. So I was just going to say, I try to practice mindfulness. It's really bad. Sometimes you slack off and you just completely stop. And when you do it, it's amazing.

It's this beautiful feeling when you start taking that time. Actually, just think about everything like every, I guess, a minutiae of life and just feeling, you know, you think about when I'm walking, I just think about when I take a step and feeling in my shoes and the wind on my hands, all that sort of stuff. Yeah, that's great. Length where you really try to take in everything you're doing through the day.

I feel, yeah, the passion, of course, the. Yeah, the passion, of course, the best two days for me were they asked that you be mindful 24 hours a day for two days straight. So just like you said, you want to feel like the pants, how your skin feels when your pants are moving against it, when you're walking, how the breeze feels against your thing. When you eat an apple like that, you want to feel like the apple in your hand, how it feels when it hits your lips, how it feels when you're chewing it,

how the water feels when you're taking a shower, how the sheets feel when you're laying in bed, all that stuff, like every second, be mindful of the sensation against your skin and what's happening. And, you know, when I talk about this stuff, don't think that I'm like this all the time, like I get annoyed with everybody, just like everybody else does. I'm not a perfect person by any means. This is an ideal that I'm going for. I've watched you kill people practice.

No, but he's also seen me when I'm like. Not all it doesn't happen as often as it used to. But I'd be like, like, what the fuck? You know, sometimes it's not as I used to be like a maniac sometime. But now it's like hardly yet. But don't think that I'm up here, like that I'm presenting myself as this perfect person who never loses his temper or goes off or, you know, or never thinks badly of himself.

Like I think awful things about myself all day and unworthful thoughts. But I, I snap out of it quicker and I have a it's not as bad as it used to be. So it's that one stone at a time theory. Guys, for me, if when you're looking at me, I am a perfect person. I haven't felt sadness, sorrow or grief for years. Every day is the most beautiful day and it's just wonderful. So let's let's take another question. All space is going to.

So, Enzo, Enzo, you're alive. Hi, Enzo. Quick, quick. Hi, Enzo. Hi. Sure. Don't two men enter one man leaves, you verse Alistair Beck, who leaves? Oh, is that for.

Are you talking about like a physical battle? Yes. I would want a physical battle with. Talk show host. I love Alex. But. Oh, probably I wouldn't lift the finger to hurt Alex. You have to.

You have to. Here's the thing. You got to fight. This is the thunder dome. It's the end of the world. Some bandits somehow managed to. They've, they've managed to capture you, Alex. You're back.

They've put you in a thunder dome together. If you guys don't fight, they're going to kill like 17 orphans. So like, you have to fight. Who wins? Oh. I like your house. Yes. I win.

I don't know, man. It seems like Trebek seems like he would hide a dagger in his asshole or something. He seems like they would have some. Terrible. Oh my God. He seems like. For 500, please.

Okay. Great. Great question. And so thanks. Let's do another question. Go ahead. All space. All space is picking people out. Ryan, your life. Hi, Ryan. Hi, Ryan.

Hi, Ryan. Hi, Ryan. Hi, Ryan. Hi, Ryan. Hi, Ryan. Hi, Ryan. Hi, Ryan. Hi, Ryan.

Hi, Ryan. Hi, Ryan. Hi, Ryan. Hey, Ryan. Hey, man. I always bite it. So. A few and then I, then I get forward and then I bite it.

All right, let's do another. Okay. I'm going to feel free to ask whatever you want, but let's, I mean, we have two people here that, that have very insightful question at, you know, abilities here. So all right, Gunter, go for it. Yeah. I'm enlightened.

Ask us about how to achieve world. Ask us how to achieve world peace. It's your only hope. It takes as many licks as the tootsie roll wants me to take. That's how many looks it takes to get to the center of the tootsie roll. Yeah. Let's do another question. You're done, bitch.

That's when. Sorry. Oh, I apologize. Yes. Very good. Nice to meet you. Oh, okay. I was going to ask for.

Cool. Awesome, man. Cool. Yeah. I'm going to ask about materialism. Hold on a second. Yes. Gunter's asking question. You'll be next. And we're going to have to repeat Gunter's question because he's in the room with us.

So not everybody will be able to hear what he's saying. Sorry. Go ahead. Oh my God. Okay. We have to repeat the question. The question is Gunter saw a video of us. Riding in Drew's car on, on Periscope going to, to EDC,

the electric. And then it ended up being one of the best weekends of our life. Cause we were at EDC. Yeah, but also we're, we're undercover cops. So we went there. We, nobody expects. And the reason it was such a great weekend is because we busted hundreds of people. Cause no one expects Drew Carey to be a cop.

So it's a really, I go up to people and go, Hey man, do you have any Molly? And they go, sure. And they give me one. I go, guess what bitch? You're busted. And then I arrest them and then it's all over. Yeah. But right before it, right before he arrest them, right before he arrest them, he eats the Molly,

which is like, you shouldn't do that, man. But I got a testing to see if it's any good. So I can tell if it's real Molly or not. And I know it's real Molly, then I can put him in jail. Yeah. I don't feel bad. I really, I really like him at the same time. I feel bad while I put him in jail. Yeah.

It's really weird to watch you put people in the squad car when you're like, I love you so much. You're really a beautiful person. I have to arrest you. I'm going to, you know, yeah. It's all part of the process. Thanks, man. We'll take another question. Was I, oh, are you a Nova or whatever? I owe you.

I owe you. I owe you. All right. I owe me. How are you doing, buddy? Hi. Sorry. Materialistic values. How do you get past that?

I mean, I find myself struggling with, you know, I just, I couldn't live without a lot of things, but I know I really could, but really I can't, you know, if you get what I'm saying, like, how do you get? Oh, like, why do you need like the latest 75 inch HD 4k TV and all that kind of thing when you could watch a show on your computer? Mentally. Um, you don't have to. I mean, there's nothing wrong with living a comfortable

life. I watched a really good documentary on happiness and it really hit home with me. One of the things like there's like a few basic things to be like winning a Super Bowl makes you happy. Uh, hitting a scratcher ticket makes you happy, but it's all temporary happiness. Like it'll come in and it'll go away. But for like baseline, bottom line happiness where you're just a happy person all the time, you need a few things.

One is, uh, uh, enough money to pay your bills. So you're not spending a bill. So living within your means. And that's tricky for some people because like if you're, if you're making $50,000 a year, you need to live a $40,000 a year lifestyle and teach yourself to be happy with it, you know, and, uh, like instead of, you know, going on, I don't have a big enough TV to watch the game.

Go to a sports bar. You have a much better experience. Instead of talking about how small your apartment is, go to the park. You have a much better, you have a better time at the park than you would in my house because the park is nicer and it's bigger. There's more stuff to do. Um, but as long as, but that scales up too. Like if you make a million dollars a year,

you're not going to be happy if you're living a million five a year lifestyle because you're always be worried about your money coming in and you'll be miserable. So that's one thing. And then having a lot of family and friends that, uh, a circle of family and friends you can count on and you can confide in and be comfortable with and close to. And the other one is to good, to good things for other people.

But the money part, I mean, you could be, I mean, it's tough cause I, you know, I'm rich now, but I wasn't always rich, but I was happy before I wasn't rich cause I just learned to love what I have. And I really do believe that like you have, you know, I like the, I like my stuff and I like my house, but I have a better time. I honestly have a better time if I go to ESPN bar or something and watch a game that I would in my house. Cause it's just, I should be around people.

It's just, and it doesn't cost anything. Like most of the biggest joys I have are not because of the money I have, you know, except when getting a private table at EDC or something like that. But even then I think like, Oh, it's more fun to be down in the shit and be in the dance floor area than it is just to sit in the VIP all the time. People miss out sometimes. Yeah. The miserable, but the money part, you know, is if you're living within your,

living within your means and not stretching it, you'd be a lot happier than if you're not. Drew has three genetically engineered unicorns that he keeps in his backyard. I don't. Yeah. Any other, let's get another question. Questions. Oh, someone has to pick you guys out.

I can't do it. I guessed. That was it me. Okay. Yeah. So a lot of people become more creative when they smoke weed or they drink personally me when I drink and I'm guessing thunking when he smokes, but about meditation, it seems like meditation kind of like, well, you won't have like a creative focus on a thought because you're not

really thinking. No, not why you're not why you're meditating. You won't know. Okay. But when you get done meditating, you do like it really like when you get done meditating, like your mind is clear and you're open and all of a sudden you're not as judgmental. You don't like sometimes when you're creative and trying to be creative,

you automatically discount thing. Like you, you, you, you door the sale before you knock on the door. You know what I mean? Yeah. You'll think of something that's no good without ever exploring it. When you start meditating, you get rid of all that and you start to explore more and open your mind more and it actually helps you be more creative. Okay.

Because I was like, it was almost like, like a function of becoming more creative. Like when you, when you're a bit, the manners go down, like smoking weed or drinking or something like that. It's that uh, No, I don't find them really great. I like, when I'm meditating, I just shut down, you know, that's when I shut my mind off.

But then the rest of the day is better and more creative for me because I'm because I did meditate that makes sense. Yeah, Okay. I've heard, I've heard, I've heard a, I've heard a one thing that Ramdas talks about is how sometimes when meditating your mind will actually begin to trick you and the thinking like,

Oh, fuck, I've got to go write that down. This is the greatest idea ever. And the idea is you just allow that idea to come and to go and you just sit and watch them drift by. And I do think that if you, if you get in the practice of meditating, then it makes you better throughout the day. It probably produces more of those epiphanies I would say.

Yeah. There's this, there's this important teaching in the meditation in Buddhism. It's called the Dharma wheel or the Dharma wheel. And if you ever heard of it, it's like you can look at pictures of it. It's like a things come and go, the wheel goes to the top,

then it goes down to the bottom. You know, you're happy, then you're sad, you have money, you have health, born, you die, it's all a big circle all the time.

And one of the practices during that 10 days, there was a starting the fourth day, there was three separate hour, exactly hour long meditation sessions. They all vary in length, they're timed out differently all through the day. But for the three different hour ones, they called it the hour of great determination.

And so if you were sitting perfectly still like this, when he started, that's how you weren't supposed to move a muscle, like don't move your head around, don't shrug your shoulders, don't stretch nothing, don't even move your hands like this or wiggle your fingers, just sit perfectly still for the whole hour.

And I would feel like an itch come on my face and I could feel the itch like starting and then moving and then moving to another part of my face and then going away. I would feel ache in my back start and just like, I could feel it grow and move and go to a different part of my back and then go away. And the same thing like that,

these thoughts would like come and go. And that's part of the practice is the letting go that everything's temporary, nothing's permanent, even suffering, even happiness. Don't get attached to it. Let go of these attachments because everything comes and goes. It's all part of the practice. But yeah, Ram Dass is right.

Even the thoughts when you think like, Oh, I have to get this off the thoughts are just temporary here and there. You don't have to attach yourself to them and let it go. It's all part of the practice. Yeah. Yeah, it's, it is. It's really cool to watch the different ways your mind will try to trick you into being sucked back into it again.

Let's do, that's all your ego, you know, it's all your ego. Yeah. Let's do two more questions, two more questions. Hey Duncan, is it okay if I ask a question from the team? Yeah, please. Somebody wanted to know, wanted to ask Drew what your, what's your favorite part of Seattle question from Chelsea?

Oh, I bone part of a soccer team up in Seattle or call the Seattle Sounders. And that's my favorite part of the whole city is that team and the fans that, that, that support it. They're so supportive and they're so great. And they give so much to the team. And that's, it's, I was just up around Sunday. It was just an amazing experience.

How everybody supports us. And it's one of the best business experiences I've ever had besides the prices, right? As owner part of that soccer team. It's great. So that's my, one of the greatest things about Seattle. Thanks for answering that.

Cool. Sure. Okay. Let's take another, let's take another. Yeah. Let's do it. You pick it out. Okay.

Let's see. Sorry. We can't get to everybody. Yes. Yeah. So. Yeah. Yeah.

How you doing, man? And on the price is right. Do you get really pissed off when someone wins by bidding that dollar over? No. And I'll take a bunch. I'm, I'm glad you asked that.

Cause I get a lot of things on Twitter. Like you got to stop this rule. It's the worst thing. But what really happens is that, um, sometimes like if somebody will bid like 500 and somebody go 501. And they think, oh, you screwed that other person,

but then the actual retail price would be $2,000. So they're actually off by a lot. But why would you just go over a dollar? Just to cover yourself. Somebody lost the other day. They bid. It was like a thousand. And then somebody wanted to give them a break.

So they went 1,050. So they wouldn't go a dollar over and be that person. But then the price was a dollar. It was like 1,025 or something. It was right in between. So if that person just would have went 1,001, they would have won. And to me,

it's a perfectly legitimate strategy. I would do it all the time. And if you ever like look online for like prices, right strategies, if you're the one who's going to do it, if you're going to do it online for like prices, right strategies, if you're the last person,

that's actually one of the best strategies to win and get up on stage, just go a dollar over what you think the other person did. And I don't have any problem with it. And I think it's, it's to me, it's just a fascinating part of the game. You know,

it's just part of, it's a technique you can use. I don't have any problem with that. Somebody going a dollar over. I don't. I do. I do. I do.

I think it's fucking sucks, man. Let's do it. Thank you. Thanks you guys. Yeah. Hey guys, so we're going to take a break for a second, but then we're gathering together again in the medieval tavern

just to hang out. Drew, I hope you'll come out for a second. It's super fun. Thanks for listening everybody. That was Drew, Kerry and Alt Space VR. If you want to see that in virtual reality,

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