Duncan Trussell Family Hour - Natasha Leggero and Riki Lindhome

Episode Date: February 15, 2018

The stars of Comedy Central's Another Period, Natasha Leggero and Riki Lindhome, join the DTFH and we talk about service, cultivating compassion, and online dating.

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a really, really funny fucking show on Comedy Central called another period, which you should definitely check out. It is super funny and it was really cool for these two folks to take time out of their insanely busy schedules to sit down in my podcast studio and have the conversation that you're about to hear. So why not find them online, give them some digital love and for God's sake, give another period a shot if you haven't checked it out yet. Now everybody, welcome to the Duncan Trussell family, our podcast, Ricky Lindholm and Natasha

Legerro. It's the Duncan Trussell family. Natasha. Ricky. Thank you so much for showing up and being on the show. Thanks for having me. It's great to be here. Are you sure you're recording?

I'm definitely. Yes. I'm recording Natasha. I wanted to talk to you guys about something that I just found out over the last couple of days and the more I think about the more it has been really freaking me out. It is a federal offense in the United States to heat your hot tub above 104 degrees. Is that real? Yeah.

Do you have a Googled hot tub deaths? Cause I have. No. At what shows up? Oh, you don't want to know. A lot of drunk, uh, hill people. Well, hill people. Well, I'm trying to be nice, but like, you know, people who like get drunk in the hot

tub. Not my problem. Not my problem. Every loss for the lowest common denominator though. Right. But still that particular law. Wait. So you're saying that the, the machine won't go up past 104.

I do not have the choice to commit suicide by hot tub. I can't put it up to boiling if I wanted to, which should be my right. Yeah. Cause it's not like anyone would check. No, it's not. First of all, there, as far as I know, there's no hot tub patrol. There's no people going around checking to make sure people's hot tubs are not too high. But the, the fact that the federal government has made the decision.

You think there's like some sort of conspiracy behind it? I don't think there's a conspiracy. It's right in the, it's in, it's in plain view, which is someone probably went to Congress, lobbied for it. It was a whole thing. Someone dedicated six years of their life to getting that law put into place. Do you think it has a name? Like, you know, they give names.

Like, is it like Jerry's law? I was just going to say it's like Nancy's melting law. But the thing is 104 is a good temperature. It may be for you. No, I'm pregnant. I can only go into 97. You can only do 97. Yeah.

I carry my thermometer around with me. Do you really? Yes. Well, wait, wait, you're going in that many different hot tubs? Well, you know, I'm committed to hot tubbing and I'm pregnant and I has to stay in the tepid zone. So, you know, that's crazy that they have, I hope the baby's okay. That's amazing.

You're going to have the coolest baby ever. Your baby's already been on Jimmy Kimmel. Your baby is, mom is on a, I did a hustler photo shoot today. Did you really? Me and the baby. Are you kidding? No. No Vaginas.

Just launch her it. You did not? You did. I did. Did you really? Yeah, but it's not naked. They don't make comedians get naked. What was the lead up to that?

Can you like, who made the call? Did they call your agents? They were like, well, she'd do an interview and I was like sure, is there a photo shoot and they're like, Will she do one? And I was like, if I can wear clothes. Wow. That is bad ass. That is so cool.

You're such an outlaw, Natasha. That's so great. Thanks. But what? I'm sorry for your hot tub situation. It really riles me up. But since when do you care about the federal government? Just turn it up.

It's no, it's just the principle of the thing. It's that what kind of world do we live in where the government is trying to control the temperature of our baths? It's just dark. It's like even in like 1984, not that they were like, I don't know that there are hot tubs in 1984, but or were you seeing 80s movies? Well, I mean, no, I mean, the book in the book, 1980. Oh, in the book.

I was like, have you seen any movie in the 80s? There's always a blonde topless girl in a hot tub. That was my dream. Well, I'll tell you, interestingly enough, this hot tub law, because once I found out it's a lie, researched it, it 1979 is when it between 1979 and 1980, it became implemented. Yes. So that was the beginning of the end in Japan. Hot tubs go up to 118 degrees.

Really? Yes. They're more responsible or they're just OK with dumb people dying. It's like, if you're not aware, it's just, you know, if you're going to drink and go into your hot tub and get so hammered because I was reading like, oh, what is it? What what am I in danger of here? Because I'm not saying I'm going to do it because I don't want to get in trouble, but I may have bribed somebody to come over and hack my hot tub.

So it goes over. That's good. Yeah. But it is a little weird that we have a law for hot tubs, and yet you can have automatic weapons or whatever. Like you are mentally insane. There's no gun law. It's that's that's where it gets weird.

Like they're scared of people dying in hot tubs, but not, you know, in school shootings. Well, here's the thing. I'll tell you, when I found out about the 104 degree law on my hot tub, that's when I began to think we definitely need guns because if the government is willing to take away our right to heat our hot tubs, then eventually we're going to have to take to the streets and probably we're going to need weapons to defend ourselves. I love that you think we could beat the government in a war. Well, don't we have like tons of nuclear weapons?

I don't think we'd win that. I don't think the government's going to nuke itself. I don't know. I mean, you're right. But my guess would be that there wouldn't be a nuclear strike. I mean, we do have to worry about things like Apache helicopters and drones and drones and things like that, which is fucking terrifying. But but everything does come full circle.

Like I feel like we could go back to a time like I watched gangs of New York last night. Have you guys ever seen that? It's great. So basically just the idea that they were just like these gangs roaming around New York in the 1800s who would like fight to put out fires and they would kill each other. Yes. You know, you know, maybe we'll be back to a place like that. Oh, I hope that doesn't happen.

I mean, to get there to require something amazing, like an economic collapse, some kind of true war. We'd have to have to have how on earth would that happen? I don't know. I mean, the stock market's booming right now. But I don't want to get now. How much you guys love Trump? I but, you know, I don't know.

Like I'm more of, I guess you're more in line with like government, some government regulation is OK. What do you mean? I am. Yeah. If you're for gun control, then yeah, so you feel most people are from for gun control, you're just from the South. That's true.

You are for no gun control. Well, no, I'm not for no. I'm not. I'm not like, but I'm like, what about if someone's already committed about shooting? Can they still? I think that we need to make it really tough for people. Like I think there needs to be a vetting process that's more sophisticated than

whatever the one is we're using. I think making it's the gun show thing probably makes sense. I think there's lots of stricter measure. So I'm not against pure. Do you know how to use a gun? Well, it's not that hard. Maybe that's a problem. We need to make it more complex to use guns.

Like you have to do like basic trigonometry or something. That's solve a lot of problems. You have to type in the capital of whatever state you're in. And if you don't know it, you can't shoot anyone. That's a great idea. Yeah. You have to name the last five presidents or something. It's like a slight IQ test.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder what the actual IQ is of these people who are doing the mass shootings. I mean, is it related? What do you think it's related to? Why do you think Ricky people do these awful extreme acts of violence? I have no idea because they have access to guns, I guess.

I don't know. I don't get it. I have a crazy philosophy that I probably shouldn't even say. What? Please do. Please do. Well, I read this article that I think it's Tylenol creates lack of empathy. If you take it too much.

And I just wonder sometimes what some of the antidepressants are doing. They could be dulling some of our, you know, if they could dull empathy, then you wouldn't really care as much like what you're doing to hurt people. And I remember that Vegas shooter. He had gotten on some kind of crazy, you know, anti-depressant that was like a brand or like a newer one that hadn't, there's not much known about it. I forgot what it was called. Yeah.

But it was like, and then the shootings, I mean, this is emotions like you should not say this in public. He's like, it's not proven. But I did read this article about how Tylenol can create a lack of empathy. And then I kept searching and they, and then I did see a scientist online who was like, I don't, it was like in the New Yorker. He was like, I don't see why that couldn't, you know, translate, correlate to other antidepressants.

Cause think about it. It dulls your pain. Yeah. So why couldn't it dull things inside? Is anyone like studied their brains to see if there's something. But not all mass shooters are on pink. I think we do know though. I mean, I think the, what, what's the one that all the conspiracy theorists think

didn't happen? Um, the, the, where the kid went into the elementary school and shot up. Oh, uh, yeah. Oh geez. I can't believe I can't remember the name Sandy Hook. Yeah. The one sad thing is there's been so many mass shootings that it's now worth like, shit, I can't remember all of them.

There was one today. Yeah. I saw that in a school in Kentucky. Yeah. I saw that. Yeah. But it's, it's the antidepressants probably. I don't know.

It's just a guess that, that that would help cause you're like, how could you stand outside of your hotel room and just blast a bunch of people and be able to do that? That's a great question. And that was what I wanted to ask you guys is just as an acting exercise, if you had to put yourself into a role of a mass shooter, describe for you personally what you think it would take to get to the point where you were that crazy that you were climbing up on a tower, getting ready to blast a bunch of people. There would have to be like the most insane, unqualified president.

Okay. I don't know. Natasha, no, you definitely need to stay away from guns. Sounds like you really thought about this. I don't know. What would it take for you? Um, well, I mean, I think it would take, well, I think it's really good to put yourself in the shoes of the worst.

Like we, we want to understand why somebody would do that, because we understand why somebody would do that. Then maybe there's ways to look at the world and just see what's fucked up about it and then maybe fix that. But it's, it's really crazy to try to do that. So yeah, I've thought about it. I think it would take, I think to do that, you're almost in some kind of waking dream it feels like, like you don't, like you're insane.

You're, well, yeah, like you're insane, but in a specific kind of, you've got to be numb number. You have to be so angry. You've gone numb. Right. Like you are something or you can't catch a break. Like it's got to, they've got to be piling up these like, yeah, these, these losses or something.

And people think it's a normal thing to do now. That's happened so much that people are like, I don't know how to get out my rage. Well, this happens a lot. I'll just be part of that mass shooting. Yeah. Like I'll just kill a bunch of people. I guess it has to be like a, some kind of disconnect from reality.

Like, you know, for example, like when a president like Obama orders drone strikes and they accidentally kill 20 people, he has to be able to live the rest of his life rationalizing the fact that he killed 20 people by ordering a drone strike or by being part of the system that did the drone strike. And then that kind of trickles down to us because we pay taxes and our taxes have just killed count, countless innocent people all over the planet. If you live in the United States, you have like in a time, like imagine like a, sometimes I think about like this, like imagine like a child sacrifice

was happening and let's say in Vegas, right? Like a child sacrifice every month happened in Vegas and it happened like at the Luxor because it's like a black. It happened right before the carrot top show at the Luxor. They bring the opening act, but the way it works is there's a dagger hanging from a string and everybody in the United States has to press a button. And if, and by pressing that button, when enough people have pressed it, the dagger is released and it kills the kid.

So everyone has culpability in the tiniest, tiniest way, which is what it's like living in the United States anyway, because we're all constantly killing people because we have endless wars overseas. You know, we are all little tiny miniature mass shooters because we fund a thing that does mass shootings, but we're not like we're funding it because we have to, we're being forced to pay taxes. It's not like free will. Well, no, I mean, but you could like, I guarantee if like we've created

this ridiculous example of the Luxor dagger drop that there would be people who would say, I don't care if the government is telling us we have to press the button, I'm not going to kill a little kid. Yet here we all know that we're constantly slaughtering people, not constantly, but we do slaughter people overseas all the time. And yet we still do it. So I think as a whole, the sum total, the shadow of the population of the United States is a mass shooter because the United States as an entity is

doing mass shootings every day. So maybe that's what a mass shooter is like. They just don't really think they're responsible for killing the people. Somehow they've wriggled out of the responsibility or something. Well, let's not care. What? They must not care. They're not thinking about people's families.

They're definitely not. I don't know. Right. Or they're getting off on it. Well, because there's definitely people who kill themselves instead. So why, why, why not do that if nothing's working out? Yeah. Why, why, why go into a school?

I mean, I'm sure some of it is revenge, revenge for sure. Yeah. You're just trying to decimate people's lives. You're so angry. You want to leave gaping craters and people's existence. It's just fucking nuts. Yeah. And you know what's crazy?

What do you guys think about this? Here's something really scary. The someone that I interviewed this guy from Singularity University. What is that? It's like it's in San Francisco. It's like Ray Kurzweil is associated with it. And basically it's on it's some it's somehow connected to NASA. It's like in the NASA park or wherever NASA is in San Francisco.

But it's a group of people who are studying the ways that technology can be used to solve the big problems or what's called the upstream problem. So it's global warming, dirty water. Like if we can figure out a way to clean water, then we can wipe out like a huge swath of diseases. So that's one of the big problems is how can we create really low cost, super efficient water filters to get to places where people don't have access to clean water, a lot of stuff like that.

But then also trying to figure out what's going to fucking happen when computers become exponentially faster. That big question mark, which we don't know. This guy interviewed said the problem is people are going to get increasing access to deadly technologies that make a fucking assault rifle look like chopsticks. People are going to be able to engineer Ebola. People are going to be able to like in someone else in their garage.

So like like and you can you can infect like your enemy. You could you could make some you could genetically whip up smallpox theoretically in your garage with some kind of as of yet uninvited matter simulator and then go into a football stadium and start a smallpox outbreak. So that's where it gets really creepy, which is the mass shootings are just the very beginning of some of the great problems that are coming, which is that all you need is one lunatic and futuristic technology.

And instead of it being a mass shooting, which is already horrific, it turns into like an entire city being decimated. I mean, that is how I feel about Trump. Like he does seem like a lunatic in his garage, like carelessly like willing to fire bombs at places. It just feels like he is. I mean, he hasn't, but it feels like he's willing to do places. You think you will.

I mean, that that's sort of the that's where it gets really interesting, isn't it? That's like where we we we've like got gone into the realm of pure absurdity, which is we have a, you know, like you read in history about the Mad Kings like Nero. Oh, yeah, we've got one. Yeah, we now have a Mad King. Yeah. Yeah. And that's really. And it's weird when people pretend we don't know that people pretend

like, no, no, no, there's checks and balances. This isn't it's like, no, this is not OK. Right. Because he is like, you know, servicing the Republican agenda, but also, you know, tweeting things out that are just like, what? It's weird. My brain actually doesn't even have room to contemplate the stuff you're talking about, like this, you know, Ebola outbreaks and things, because I'm always I have so many. I'm so like overridden with anxiety just about the Trump administration

that I can't seem. I can't even take on robots yet. OK. My brain just goes, no, like I get it. No, we can still talk about it. But but I I people are like, well, what we really need to be scared of. And I'm like, I can't. I don't like it's like when people when that headline came up that said we had aliens and everyone was like, whatever, what's going on with health care? Trump. I know Trump really like no one.

You're right. Swallowed us whole. Like nobody cares about anything else. What? What? I mean, they said we had aliens. Nobody cared. Nobody cared. Crazy. I haven't Googled it once. Well, this is the. Have you like none of us have looked at it. I looked at it.

Yeah, I looked at it and it's really interesting. Do we have aliens? Well, let's get the aliens in a second. Wait, I have one more question. Sure. Do you think that mass shootings have to do with technology? I think they and like the time we're living in. I mean, they don't really. I don't I don't know.

I think it does because I think mental instability plus access is is the problem that access to the web. There's more access. If they have access to smallpox, they'll use smallpox, whatever they have the access to. That's why when they take away guns in Australia, people stop shooting people because they have no access and they just have to, you know, deal with their mental instability on their own. I think it's a lot of I think it's just a lot of these people.

I mean, this sounds like such a hippie, dippy thing to say. But I think a lot of these people aren't being touched enough. They're not being loved enough. They're like they're like starved for love. And so they're they've just withered down because they're not getting like they're not getting love. And so they're all fucked up. A lot of people are just huddled in their homes.

Yeah, it's like if no one's touched you for a year, you shouldn't be allowed to have a gun. You know, that's a bad combo. Like before you get a gun, we should have some kind of cuddling chambers. You have to go and get cuddled professionally for like a certain amount of time until you're weeping and your heart is opening and you're apologizing and thanking the mother for allowing you to exist. And then you can have your gun now have your gun. Yeah, you have to do mushrooms and then be on this podcast.

Yes. And then if you still want a gun, we'll think about it. If you still want a gun, we'll think about it. But yeah, it is a lot of it is just a like people are getting so out of touch with each other. People don't have communities. You know, I just read that they think that, you know, we're always trying to figure out how do people why do people live to be like 90 or 100? What is the secret to old age? And they always interview old people.

And it's weird because like some of them will be like, I never drank once. But some of them are like whiskey and French fries every day. And you and you just don't know. But what they're they're saying is it potentially it could be community that helps people live for a very long time and network of true friends and people that you really trust and love. And think of how many people out there just don't have that. They're just completely disconnected.

And what happens when you don't have that? I've seen it in my parents is like my mom, especially like she and her husband distrust people and, you know, it just becomes about them against like doctors and neighbors and lawyers and like they just kind of don't trust anything. That's right. And then that makes you kind of sick. I think that's it. Maybe that's the problem is people have a complete lack of trust that we live in a benevolent universe.

And so if you don't believe that you're in a benevolent universe, if you think the universe is either like, what's the word for it? Ambiguous or what's the word? There's a better word neutral. Yeah. Or if you think the universe is malicious, indifferent, indifferent. That's what I was looking for. Or if you think it's a malicious universe, then you might actually want to lash out at the universe itself to fight back.

But there's so much evidence that it's indifferent or malicious that I understand my people would think that I do. Like it's it's almost rational to believe the universe is indifferent. Well, yeah, but at the same time, it's like, who would want to live that way? The I've heard this terrible example, which is like, so basically the concept is like, well, if you're going to say the universe is benevolent, well, you're assigning some kind of personality to it. If you're going to assign the personality to it, what personality are we dealing with?

So so they the people say God is God can. OK, so when God is described in Christianity, God is described as God. What are the three qualities of God? Omnipotent, all all powerful. Maybe it's two qualities. God is powerful, all knowing, all seeing. Is it something like that? I think it's omnipotent.

Or is that all the same? Oh, yeah, all knowing, which is, I guess, omnipotent. Yeah. And then all powerful omnipotent omnipotent and all powerful. So omniscient omnipotent and omniscient omniscient and all powerful. So is that so is that all all powerful is the same as omniscient? No, omniscient is all knowing omnipotent is all powerful. OK, that's OK. Omnipotent omnipotent.

That's it. So these two things, the question is, you can't have a morally ethical being that is these two things. It can only be one or the other because because otherwise what about that the example that is given is the squirrel after a forest fire, baby squirrel after a forest fire has been burnt really badly, but hasn't died yet, laying in the middle of the forest and slowly expiring in the most painful way ever. And then this omniscient omnipotent God, you say to this thing,

well, you know, this is happening. And yet, why did you why are you not doing anything about it? And so within that, we end up with some kind of sociopathic thing that either enjoys the squirrel dying or is in, I don't know, it's a fucking asshole. Basically, I had someone I was at a party on Saturday night and someone made me understand religion for the first time. It was it was I didn't a friend of mine used to be Mormon.

And I was asking him about, you know, growing up Mormon. And he was saying and I was and I asked him about all the sort of inconsistencies, like the plates and Joseph Smith didn't tell anyone and all these things. And he was like, no, that's what the religion is. And I'm like, what do you mean? He goes, they tell you that if it was obvious, then you wouldn't have to have faith. So the fact that there are so many inconsistencies

are the thing that makes you have to believe. And I didn't know I didn't know that. And I was like, they're like, so so any sort of inconsistency in the Bible, they go, yeah, that's the test for you. So if you still believe that, then you're religious. Have you ever heard that? It sounds like something a con artist would be. Isn't that amazing?

It made me understand it, though. I was like, oh, that's like you understood why the people. Yeah, get duped or why. Yeah, why they're OK with all the inconsistencies and manmade things about religion. Because if that's what the test is. But Mormonism is like a pretty crazy religion as like Scientology is.

Like I feel like Judaism is a little more about like, let's debate all of these different ideas. What about circumcision? What about it? And Judaism, what about cutting off the tip of a baby's dick and then like sucking it for a second? And what about the sexism part of it? I'm not sticking up for it. I'm just saying that some religions are a little more open

to intellectual debate. But that thing where like you clip off the very tip of a baby's. You suck it. Yeah, there's like they like suckle it first. Yeah, they suck it, right? I think so, right? Or they lick it or something. Yeah, but every American, so many American men are circumcised.

You're probably circumcised. Yeah, I'm circumcised. I'm not like I'm not an anti circumcision person. Those people are fucking intense. And just the fact that I said this on the podcast guarantees a few tweets from people being like, wait, so you want a child to be cut when it's a when it's a baby. But I'm just saying my brother's one.

He wrote a rap about it. Did he really? Yeah. Are you joking? No. How does it go? Do you remember? I remember one line. It was is your brother circumcised. Yeah, he's mad about it. He's mad about getting circumcised skin back.

Something like you cut my trunk, give me back my junk. I don't know. I've only seen him perform it once. But he. Oh, my God. But he you can find it online. Nickname circumcision. But he was going through a phase where he would, you know, say it to people.

So he's I've heard him do it live to a few a few people. Well, I mean, to get back to it's a big I mean, I don't know what it feels like. I don't know. I guess it's a big deal. It's a big issue. But my point is until I get into circumcision, it's just to like point out that in Judaism, we I'm sure that's not the only probably something that made sense a long time ago, I guess. I mean, it is weird to think that a long time ago, someone was like talking

to a pregnant woman and was like, listen, we haven't done this yet. Your baby's going to be first. Yeah. Are you willing to let us cut your baby's dick? And I'm going to suck it for like a second. Do they definitely suck it? Well, let's take a look right now. Yeah. Let me just look this up for a second. Let's find out circumcision.

Wait, Duncan, is it OK if the sound went out in one of my. Yeah, it's my headphones. I'll fix it. No, I don't care. I just wanted to make sure it was OK. Circumcision Judaism. Yeah, some I always think about the person who went first trying contact lenses because someone put glass in their eye. Somebody said, OK, I'll I'll I'll do that.

I don't know who is that brave. OK, what is oral suction circumcision and where does it come from? So let's see. After the mole, the oil. OK, what is oral? OK, what is oral circumcision? Where does it come from? Let's see, because you were probably not circumcised in like a rich, a Jewish ritual, you were probably circumcised.

My dad bit off the tip of my dick. He was I wasn't intended. I've had sex with one person who had an uncircumcised penis, and it was it was it was hard to maneuver. Oh, I was definitely preferred the circumcised one. OK, so here we go. The tradition of Mets, Metsitsa, but pa goes back to biblical times, but has created a modern day dilemma for a religiously observant mankind.

New York City officials linked the practice to 70 cases of infant herpes since 2000, of whom two died in the latest development, the city will stop requiring moals who use oral suction to have parents sign consent forms, which many hadn't complied with anyway. So yeah, so there there you go. Orals get herpes. Yeah, you can get herpes if the if the if whoever's doing it has herpes. But wouldn't you be so pissed if you had to go in?

Like if you're like 13 and you realize you have herpes and you're like, I've never even had sex. And you got to explain that to everybody. That's extremely rare, Duncan. Well, I mean, it's not you get herpes from your moll. It's not that 17 cases since 2000 is probably, I'll tell you this, 17. I guarantee 17 is probably higher, a higher number than the people have died in hot tub accidents and they can't regulate that shit.

I guarantee it. Also, I like that they use the term oral suction because they don't want to say blow job. Yeah. How many people die in hot tub accidents? It can't be that many. I mean, how many people outside of Florida? I know they're all like a very specific. I'll tell you what it was.

It was some Illuminani fucking trust fund kid. It was probably like some 17 year old Rockefeller who was at a party drinking very expensive wine from his parents. Wine cellar had the hot tub up to like 108 and died. And then his reptilian father called the president. It was like, we have to stop this. And that's what happened, guaranteed. I disagree. I think it was it feels like a mom.

I feel like some someone's baby went on spring break. Yes. And got, you know, some girl like some like 17 year old girl and like melted in a hot tub and her mom was like took all her mom friends and she's like, we're going to take to the streets. Let's start a petition. Stop this. And we're going all the way. I fucking hate it, man. I think that woman. I think you should be careful how long you stay in a 109 hot tub, Duncan.

If I die, you should set a timer. If I die in a hot tub and everyone listening, number one, because after I die in the hot tub, they can play this. I am not embarrassed. Oh, people of the earth. I have passed on to the other side via hot tub death. And I want you to know I couldn't think of a better way to die than in a hot tub passing out in a sweet, bubbling hot tub, not going back to being born. Thank you, Ricky. You're going right back to the womb.

Yes, it's going back to the womb. And I will I would take an elegant death and elegant. We should do that instead of lethal injection, like give the prisoner the option to drink himself to death in a hot tub. It's way more compassionate. Yeah, if it's so dangerous. But yeah, to get back to this idea of the of religion and the the

inconsistencies in it, I think that the problem is more with the literal interpretation of these scriptures than it is with this. The fact that the religion itself is is is fucked up, right, especially as a woman, because we're not really included. Like, we're, you know, I know, whores and moms or whatever, but we're not really people. When I was in Israel, they still like the most, you know, the most what do you call that?

What's the opposite of conservative, like the most forward, progressive, progressive synagogue still had the separation. And like the men were like on one side, and they were just this is like in Tel Aviv, and they're just like having a good old time, clapping, all the decorations are on their side. And then there's like there's like a whole kind of, you know, a divider. Oh, yeah, I could look up through and all that.

There's like women just sitting there hunched over with their books. Yeah. And the men are like dancing and having a party. Yeah. And and well, too, too, and to explain to why this is the most progressive one, it's not that in to be super religious there. So most people are like they celebrate Shabbat,

but they're not like going to synagogue all the time. But yeah, I was kind of shocked. And actually, after halfway through, I was like, I'm going to go wait outside because it was like the men were having. And the leader was over there. Like everything want to be in the boring section. No, but I'm just saying boring enough. Don't put me in the boring section of the boring church.

But but religion to a woman even now is kind of insane. Like it still doesn't, you know, we don't have the same rights. Well, in the most fundamental forms of every religion, we're kind of left out. And even Buddhism, you know, there's a book you might like, Ricky. You know, you'd like it too. But because what you were talking about religion, there's a book called A Cave in the Snow about this woman who I can't remember what she was finally allowed to be this thing in Buddhism

that women weren't allowed to be. And but even in Buddhism, this misogyny is in Buddhism, where they know that. Yeah, where they say, well, Buddhism has many different forms. And I can't remember the particular form, but there it's basically like women weren't allowed to be trained in certain ways. And I think there in some parts of it, there might even be the idea that women can't get enlightened so that women can achieve realization and all the rationalization that goes along with that, which is like,

well, you know, you've chose this incarnation, you didn't want to achieve realization in this incarnation. But the reality of it is, is that men I think want to control women because women are incredibly powerful. And if you can control powerful things, then you become powerful yourself. And if you look way back to like theoretical goddess religions, then it's a completely different ball of acts the way that kind of tribe works and the way those kinds of people work.

Don't you think we're getting back to that, though, now with all the sexual harassment? I mean, in religion has evolved from the most basic forms. It is, you know, I wonder about that getting back to like some kind of Earth mother religion or something. And really, I think one of the dangers and I think maybe it's just necessary. I mean, because we're kind of this whole gender fluidity concept is like pointing to the idea of like within every person as they masculine side and effeminate side. And some people are balanced more on one side than the other, regardless of their

biological gender or whatever. And so but what can happen is we could witness, I don't know, actually, now I think about it. You guys know about Kali, Kali, no. So this is Shiva's wife. And you will see this picture over and over again in Hindu religion and Hinduism. Shiva's asleep. And Kali is this terrifying looking goddess with her tongue hanging out.

She's wearing a garland of heads that have been decapitated and the heads are the gods like she's basically been destroying all the old ways and this ferocious thing that if you don't know much about it, then you could think, oh, that's an evil being. But really what it represents is kind of what's happening right now, which is the Kali energy just lopping the fucking heads off of these powerful men and wearing them essentially. Like and you're seeing this energy.

What I was going to say is like, well, my experience with femininity is that when a woman is holding me or loving me, there's like some energy that I think comes out of women that can't come out of men, it's maternal, it's like the way we can have babies. I don't think we can produce and maybe I'm wrong about it. I read this thing that said the masculine testosterone energy is dynamic and the feminine energy is magnetic. And so right.

And so there is that that push pull of it that you can feel and everyone has pieces of both, but it's probably that magnetic thing that you're feeling that like calling you in. Yeah, yeah, it's not really an output. It's it's it's like it's taking you in. Yes, it's it's it's like this incredible thing. And that's, you know, I don't think men are necessarily taught to, you know, tap into that. Everybody's got it. You know, it's not really encouraged.

Like I think women are more encouraged to tap into their magnetic side. And men are more encouraged to tap into their dynamic side. You don't think you conquer. You don't think it's a fundamental genetic difference because because it might be. I don't know. I think it might. I think it's something just implicit in being a woman is like within is like this crazy dynamic where on one side you have this the maternal giving sweet thing.

And then on the other side, you have this fucking crazy Kali energy, which is why, you know, you're in the woods and God forbid, you see a baby bear because you're dead. Yeah. The mother bear doesn't care that you are in like, you know, it's a really crazy thing because I don't know of much cuter than a fucking baby bear. And you see, and this is a harbinger of death because a mother bear will just kill you around her children.

So with women, you get these two sides and it's so paradoxical, which is the sweet maternal, beautiful giving, like you're saying, magnetic drawing in. And then the other side is like kind of what we're beginning to see right now, which is fucking terrifying, which is this fiery thing that has been. You're scared, aren't you? I think that if you're for sure. And I mean, I don't know if.

Yeah, I think I don't know. Not for specific things, just in general. Well, I think it's pretty like. I think all of us are starting to really think about like. Going through those catalog of memories being like, oh, well, not just the catalog of like your own personal memories, but the catalog of the historic memories and like what you're saying with women being separated from men and told to be quiet and told to dress a certain way.

And what you know, what we're seeing right now is just the very tip of the iceberg and that we kind of can't even imagine what was happening in, say, the sixties, the fifties, the forties prior to the existence of the Internet. We really can't imagine. And then, you know, this thing they're finding out about epigenetic memories. Do you know about this? This is where it gets really fucking spooky. They did this experiment where they

exposed mice to the smell of, like, I don't know, like roses while they were shocking them. And then their children, they exposed to the smell of roses and they had a stress reaction just to the smell, indicating that there are some kind of blood memory. Yeah, yeah, epigenetic marker. Why wasn't I following that? I'm sorry. Wait, sorry, what?

So so they gave mice a stimulus. It wasn't roses. I can't remember what it was. Something sweet and shocked them. And shocked them. OK. So anytime they smell this, they had a stress reaction and then their children, they just exposed them to the smell and they had the same stress. Oh, the mice, the mice children. For some reason, I thought you meant regular children.

No, the mice babies, the mice babies. Yeah, yeah, I was so how why could that be? Well, because that's the concept of epigenetics, which apparently was an idea that was thrown out for a long time, which is how the fuck are you? How are your how's your DNA recording like dangers in the environment? Where is that? But apparently there's some kind of genetic marker for these things.

So if right now we're just kind of witnessing this thing where women have been being like raped, assaulted, the whole spectrum of like being overpowered and just just a shit ton of ways, then that implies that there's not just the sum total anger, the gestalt of all the anger of half the species. But it also implies that if there's epigenetic markers, possibly women could have something in them that is an anger that's been brewing. Well, also if you think about the in the Louie C. Careticle, I think there's like five women and they all have the same response.

They all froze like in the woman on the phone, the woman in front of all of them. And I'm like, that feels like waiting for danger. It feels and people just hang up the phone. It was like, no, something they all had the same response. And like that feels intrinsic. It feels like it feels like, you know, a possum freezing and waiting for danger to pass because, you know, you can't overpower it.

It feels like deeper than hanging. Doesn't it? It doesn't matter more than if it happened to a man, they would be like, oh, well, are we going to fuck now? That is the darkest thing that I have heard in a long, really? Yes. That is really, really sad and really, really creepy. Because you didn't realize that that's that would be the reaction.

But it is a cell. It is like a intrinsic self protective mechanism when you're, you know, if you saw, if you're standing next to a baby bear, you see a mama bear, what do you do? You freeze and you hope they don't kill you. Yeah, I think there's something to that where the woman frozen. It's just not, it's not as simple as hanging up a phone or, oh my God, room, right?

But that might be epigenetic. Oh, because it's like some kind of like, because like theoretically in ancient times, when a guy was trying to fuck you, if you resisted, he might kill you. Yeah, you don't want to humiliate the bear. You know what I mean? It's not just like poking the bear. You don't want to humiliate big Mr.

Man. You're like, oh, just freeze. Like when the Mongol horde is riding into your village, if you fight back, you're, you're, you're definitely going to die. But maybe if you freeze up and let yourself get raped by Mongols, you might stand a chance to survive. And then this gets transmitted genetically. Oh God, that is so creepy and dark and horrible.

And so funny. I just figured everyone thought that when they read the article. I really thought that was just like, oh, interesting. I never once thought that there might be some built in genetic mechanism that makes women freeze up when they feel sexually oppressed or like they're about to get assaulted in that way. Survival, OK, because they know they can't win that physical fight. What do you, I have a question for you guys about, about this thing,

which is because what, what about? And again, like I agree with Natasha and I were talking about this, this concept of like, well, right now men like us saying anything is like kind of a tricky thing because we're all it's like dawning on us that it's like, fuck. I really don't. For one, I didn't. And this is hopefully I speak for more than just me. I went to liberal arts college.

To be honest, I, I was a very sad thing to say, but I haven't really spent an inordinate amount of time contemplating what it's like to be a woman. I just, I haven't. I didn't, I never really like, and that's a terrible thing to say. It's very normal. I just never like really was like, fuck, I wonder what, I mean, I spent like little bits and moments like thinking like, what would it be like to like walk down the street and for like to always feel like, like,

dudes were looking at me like they wanted to fuck me or something. Well, the weird thing is if everyone had contemplated what it felt like to be the other person deeply, there would be no sexism or racism because there would just be complete empathy. Right. If you, if you really sat there, if you were a policeman in the South and you contemplated what it felt like to be a black person driving and being scared to be pulled over or scared of for your life, if you really sat in that person's

feelings, it would, it wouldn't happen. You know, it's like that, that true empathy, like. Well, OK, so now that, that being said, how do you guys think Aziz Ansari is feeling right now? I don't know, probably not great. Yeah. Yeah. And like the thing I keep thinking about that situation with him and where the

place where I keep, the thing I keep wondering about is like, what is the appropriate amount of like humiliation that guy is supposed to experience? And, and, you know, where in this thing that's happening right now where people are being like exposed in this massive way? Where is the mech? What would you guys see as like a mechanism of forgiveness where somebody. Who was it was doing what Aziz was doing? And honestly, man, I keep thinking about it.

And like I try to like think of him and I know like a lot of people are pissed at him. I keep thinking like that guy doesn't seem to me like he's like really nefarious in that kind of way. Like maybe he's like a little snobby or something, but he doesn't strike me as like somebody who really is like like a fucking Weinstein. You know, some, you know, yeah. So, so that's why I just keep thinking is like for cases like that, what, what, where do we find it?

Is it appropriate to even put out on the table? What is the mechanism for forgiveness for these people so they don't have to walk through the rest of their life as though someone is manacold as fucking albatross to their neck. I don't think it's it's nothing you can, I don't know. I mean, we don't have it, right? We can't decide. It's hard to predict.

I don't believe that people are conflating all of these things. Like, yeah, you'll get one or two crazy people on every issue who will. It's all the same or whatever. But I don't think most rational people are like, they don't think Ray is Bill Cosby. Same. No, like no one actually saying that that President Bush kept saying he kept grabbing girls butt saying, what's, you know, who my favorite magician is, David Coppa feel. Oh, God. Yeah, people don't.

Like, I mean, I don't think people think that's the same as like, you know, Cosby, Kevin Spacey cruising around. Yeah, Bill Cosby is a better Bill Cosby. He might be the worst one really talking about that. Like he's literally drugging people. And then at least like with Harvey Weinstein, people seem like they some of them were conscious. Like they were given a choice to turn him down sometimes.

Yeah, I guess. Can you imagine? I mean, I mean, the most amazing thing is that his wife stood by a side. Right. That's like fascinating to me. Yeah, in those cases, it's like the whole question of forgiveness becomes maybe a little irrelevant because that's a life destroying moment for so many people. And it's like, and I guess it maybe it isn't any of our decision to forgive somebody who hasn't directly assaulted us. But when it comes to like somebody like, you know, a public figure like Aziz,

who's been called out in this way is to put it lightly, probably like a little embarrassed right now. But honestly, more than likely, maybe like potentially a little suicidal. And I mean, I don't know for sure. I don't know him. I wouldn't think so. Well, I don't know. I don't we just don't know. That's the point. You know, it's hard to contemplate what it feels like to be humiliated like that on a national level.

And I think it's important to try to put your mind in their situation, too. I think that that can help. Yeah. Don't you think ultimately it's up to the person? Who? Whoever is being humiliated? Don't they? I mean, time passes and the new cycle, you know, Trump does 9000 more awful things. And, you know, we don't care about aliens. So it's like, why would we care about, you know, this kind of stuff for for that long?

I don't know. Well, like Louis C.K., for example, like kind of already over that. But but people still like, you know, people still bring him up. People I just wonder about. I don't know. He hangs out at the comedy cellar. He's still hanging out there. I heard he was there. Yeah. Is he doing comedy? No, I just heard he was like hanging out. Yeah, I don't know.

I mean, I think we're still in the moment. I think time will tell what the mechanism of forgiveness is and how this affects things or, I don't know, I think, I don't know. But another problem we have now with everything, but with this in particular, is everyone has a voice. So it's like everyone has something to say. So every time the court of public opinion comes forward and is like, this is the new idea. You know, this is how we think now.

You know, we should really not conflate these two and, you know, we should give this a person a break and then, you know, there's like another article that's like, here's why, you know. Yeah. Yeah, I know. I just think men are going to probably stop fucking 20 year olds. Well, sorry, Duncan. He's like, I don't think we need to go that far. That's not me to his to his face. He's like, huh? What does that happen?

What about 20 some things? I'm just saying, like, I do see that like most people who are in their 20s, like women who are in their 20s, I would say the ones I've talked to 100 percent of them agree that, you know, every story, I don't know, it's hard to explain. But like, I do feel like a definite difference in the way someone who's 40 looks at these stories and someone who's 20. But it's interesting because doesn't it make you wonder if they're right? Because every generation kind of seems to get

smarter than the last about civil rights and, you know, every, I know, I'm curious. Well, I mean, it definitely seems like there's an age break, though. Well, I know. So I think there's no 50 year old men who think Aziz did anything wrong. Well, this is this is the same with like with racism. I mean, if you look at like your grandparents and you consider some of the shit they may have done and said and thought was completely normal, people who were alive during segregation and thought that was

normal, then you do see the way things are shifting and how quickly they're shifting. And maybe it goes back to the technological issue we were talking about earlier, which is that these realizations or these like leaps and evolution when it comes to thinking about these things are being sped up by the ability to communicate in the Internet and we're not having maybe the usual amount of time for the pot to slowly start boiling. It's boiling instantaneously. And this is the same as fashion.

Like, you know, nothing can stay in style because it's right. I mean, that's just a, you know, superficial idea of or a superficial version of what you're saying. But it's like, yeah, nothing can stay in, you know, even like words. People come up with new words and then it's like already over because it's like moving so fast. Right. Yeah. And this is this is actually one of the things that singularity university that they were talking about, what is what's going to happen in the future?

And one of the things they're saying is what happens when we have all this surveillance footage and all these records that normally the records just didn't even exist and people have committed crimes that at the time when they were committing them weren't crimes. So that's interesting. Yeah. Like, what do we do there? You know, I mean, don't you kind of have to go with what's legal at the time? Yeah, but I mean, again, if we go to like what's happening right now, like

the disease thing in particular, what we're looking at is potentially going to eventually could be legislated eventually where it's like, well, if there's the in I don't know how the fuck you would legislate it, but we're looking at a thing where I mean, just to go back, I think I was telling you about this. I want to you could put together a montage of like 80s movies like porkies or look at the way dating happens in 80s movies. And if someone did or it's all it's all what we would call sexual assault. Now, like the guy comes home with a girl, he starts trying to kiss her.

She's like, no, get it. No, I don't want to. And he's like forcing himself on her. And this is in so many different like can't movies. I think there's one where Bill Murray is doing it. And when you look at that now, if that was fucking footage of someone doing that now and that hit the internet, that person would be ruined. Yeah. And yet this was the way in movies, it was considered like just a jolly way

to end the night is to push your date down on the couch and try to kiss her while she tried to like squirm out from under you. So when you look at that and you see, you hear the story of what Aziz did now is like fucking, I guess, like eating fetuses in front of people or like, you know, it's like a rancid horrible thing. And that's what Aziz did is just like a scene in a dating movie in the 80s. Have you seen Catherine Deneuve came forward, you know, the famous French actress and she's like, it's just the art of seduction.

You know, she's like very like pro disease. But then I was also reading in this article, they were saying that at the time when they legalized women's suffrage, a lot like the majority of women were against it. Oh, wow. So it's like the idea that like what you're saying, I think is happening. We're we're evolving and changing, but we can't keep up because of technology. Yeah. And like you can't change the rules without telling people. That's, you know, that's that's also part of it because it's not like all of a

sudden, you know, it's it's illegal to misread nonverbal cues. Yeah. Yeah. You can't really go to jail to, you know, it's that's not provable. Retroactive consent, basically. It's like if you it's can you withdraw consent after you've given consent, even if you gave grudging consent, can you withdraw consent? And if that's the case, then, oh, my God, what are we going to do to handle that? But you're saying you had sex and then like the next day you're like, you know what,

I didn't consent. Right. You had consensual sex. That sounds very confusing. Well, it is. But I think that like when you look like assuming like Aziz was being honest in the text message he sent the next day, or he's like, I didn't see it like that. And she's like, of course. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure that's not part of his evil plan.

Yeah, he wasn't like when that was happening. He wasn't thinking to himself, OK, she definitely doesn't want to have sex with me, but I'm going to keep pushing myself on her until she pretends that she wants to have sex with me and then she's going to have sex with me. In his head, he was like, I think she likes me, but she's being coy, maybe, or something like that. And so if we have the situation where post that event, somebody can say, hey, no, no, no, I didn't want that to happen.

Even though I was like allowing it to happen, then you're running into problems, which is like, I don't think we're in danger of that. I mean, people can, but it's just like, isn't that what they can't put Cosby in jail and 55 people are like, he drugged me. Like it's I'm not worried about legal consequences. Like maybe maybe public opinion consequences, legal consequences. It feels like that's what I mean. Public opinion consequences.

That is a it's a form of like maybe it'll be what you're saying that people are going to have to start like signing legal documents before they have sex or. I mean, which is just just just think of. I think it's kind of hot. What's your paper work? I know like I heard Justin Bieber has that. He has people sign a consent form before he has sex with them because he's so famous. He's so and I'm sure he's got so many, you know,

I mean, I know people way less famous than him, where women have tried to like sue them for money from having sex and, you know, what's your favorite romance movie, you guys? God, I don't know. I like the English patient, right? That's fucking a great, beautiful, torrid. So you're saying she's got to get out her tax ID before like they he carries her up the sand dunes.

I'm just thinking exactly, exactly. I'm thinking of like all those hot romance scenes where like who is that? Fines, Ray Fines, Ray fucking Fines, hot, sexy, beautiful, Ray fucking Fines. All those scenes where suddenly like Ray Fines is like about to like just grab and all the passion and the passion pouring out of both of them. But right before that, he's like, hold on, hold on. I just need you to put your thumb print into my iPhone so that we can you can consent.

That'd be a funny SNL sketch. Yeah, English patient, modern day. Yeah, modern. Yeah. So we but also it's not that sexy to like have to go on an app to meet someone. But that's just where we're at. You know, it's like everything about dating right now is not sexy. Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean, it just it just depends.

But I know that if you're finding people through tender or rye, then it can be really fucked up like that. Are you do you? Are you do you use Raya? I feel like I've seen you on there. I was I thought I spotted you. Oh my god, if you guys match, that would be so awkward. But that thing is to me interesting and so so fucked up because

and creepy all the day. This is like Raya's like kind of like a fancy Tinder. You've got Instagram followers. You can like do that. But it's like because like if I use tender, it's really embarrassing because like I you know what I did once is I switched my gender on Tinder to see what would happen because I was curious about what like guy profiles look like. And within like six minutes, some dude from the comedy

store, some comic tweeted like I just saw Duncan Trussell on Tinder as a woman. See a woman. Yeah, and it was just it was embarrassing. So they're not supposed to do that. So I see. So Raya is a little more culled. Well, you can't do a screen grab on Raya. Right. They'll kick you off there.

Well, you can do one and then you get the warning. And if you do two, they kick you out. So you did a screen grab. I did just because I saw my friend on there. I was like, oh, hey. And then it was like warning bull, you know, one more time you're done. And I was like, oh, I didn't I didn't know. What about that song, though, that they make you pick?

Oh, that's kind of embarrassing. Fuck that. What's your song, Duncan? Hold on. Let me think. Let me think. Ubustank. No, it's I can't remember now. It's not chanting. It's not chanting. I feel like I don't watch any of my friends' profiles out of like courtesy. It feels like you're watching someone change clothes. It's so humiliating.

Dating profiles are humiliating. And I just like whenever I see someone I know, I'm just like, nope. And I don't I don't know their songs. I don't I just feels it feels invasive. Have you been on any Raya dates? Yeah. Any any good ones? Yeah, my first online date ever. Yeah, Natasha was there.

We were in the writers room. It was season two. My first online day ever was Raya and I ended up dating that guy for over a year. Wow. Yeah. So it worked. Yeah, I've met some nice people. Oddly. That's great. But I also, you know, I'm you've also had some bad ones.

Yeah, but I'm like age appropriate. You know, I think that's where some people get into trouble. And I, you know, I'm pretty selective, I guess. I know men in their 40s who won't do online dating because they don't want. They only want to date 20 year olds and they don't want. They don't want to date someone who's the same age as them. But I mean, that's just like, but you take away all of the, I'm not talking about you, by the way.

No, I'm not talking about you. I'm not talking about you. I'm not just dating. No, I know you're not. I totally know you're not. I'm not talking about you. I'm just saying it's just taken away a lot of the, you know, like, what if you did find someone who's 38 or 42 or, you know, and you like totally connect with them?

But if you're like already making, I think the Internet makes it easier to make all these restrictions that like aren't really real, you know, like, you know, you could go to a bar, you know, a party and meet someone who's like so awesome, it doesn't have to be like 98% about their age. Right. And I feel like the internet kind of reduces it. Yeah, I know. In a negative way.

Yeah, it kind of, yes, it can do that for sure. Yeah, tell us about your worst riot date. I haven't had a, I've talked to some people on Riot, but then like I start talking to them and then instead of like trying to initiate a date, I just start feeling weird about it or something. And I'm like, well, I don't know. And what do I say? Like, should we go get a drink or something?

And then it just feels weird. And so I haven't really done it yet. That's how I felt when I was looking for a surrogate. Oh, right. Oh, yeah. I was like interviewing people to carry my child because I didn't want to do it. I like meeting people in the old fashioned way. You know, like driving around at like 3 a.m.

downtown. I don't really have the energy to meet people. Oh, wait, remember, remember in this in Sunset Strip in the 70s, people would always talk about this was like before Lyft, which is also weird that we do that, but like people would always talk about like cruising down Sunset Strip and picking up people and going to parties. Like that was like a legit thing to do on the weekend. That doesn't sound more romantic to me.

It sounds more fun. Yeah, it sounds fun. Well, I'm not just cruising down this back and forth all night long. That's hot. I guess your chaos. But I'm not I don't I'm not stigmatizing dating apps because like, you know, a couple of people that I've dated I've met just from the internet completely like through Twitter or something

like that, but not through the dating app. But I think there is something incredibly magical about meeting somebody in the real world, in your social circles, that you don't even know that you just don't even know. And then like you're walking down the street a few days later and you think about them like they just pop into your head. That is nice. That's the best.

That's the best. That's the ultimate way to meet people. And that can still happen. It still should happen. You know, I think we're going to start like rebelling again. There's got to be some kind of anti-tech revolution. The last two people I dated I met in person. I didn't meet online.

Oh, you did. Where'd you eat them? I met one at work and one at a party. See, that's what to me, that's way better than because also a lot of people, they're holed up in their house unabomber style. So unless some potential lover accidentally walks through their house because they think it's the wrong place, they're not going to meet anyone anywhere. So that's the other problem is people are so

isolated, they need these dating apps, I guess. But yeah, it's a very odd time. But I'm sorry if we do get to a place where you have to put a fingerprint in before you have sex. God, I hope so. For a second, it sounded like you were OK with that kind of. No, I'm not. I'm just saying it's not that far off from what it seems like.

We're probably two years away from that, maybe. Well, I think before that happens, it's good, hopefully that guys are really considering what I just had Bert Kreischer on. And he was talking about how when he was a kid, there was some like in high school, there was some girl he was trying to hook up with and how he was so forceful with her. And like every day he was like, come on, let's just have sex. Come on, let's just do it. And he's like, I thought that's what you were supposed to do.

That's how you do it. And so that doesn't make a woman feel good. And I think that ultimately it's just good to open up the conversation about how to treat women. Yeah. And so it's good for women in that sense, you know, and to make men, you know, just think about how they act. I mean, it's just that instead of the consent form, you can, when you're with a woman, just say, hey, do you mind if I kiss you?

You could do that. I mean, it's not quite like English patient level, passion or anything like that. But if you're wondering about it, then you could theoretically just and just record the whole thing like if you can't tell. Yeah. Like if you can't tell, just ask. And if they're like, you know, no, then don't. I feel like women give signals. We magnetize it, you know?

Yeah. Yeah. Like, I don't know. It shouldn't. I mean, when I think about it, as I work, it's it hasn't necessarily been mysterious, though, like there has been a time I could think of where I've asked, I said, can I kiss you? And they're like, no. And it's just like, oh, oh, I'm sorry. That's cool. Yeah.

I'm going to go drink by myself. Yeah. Try to forget about this and start over tomorrow. But, you know, it's cool. It wasn't like after that, like we were like it ruined anything. It was just like, oh, shit, I completely was confused about what was happening here. And that's OK. I was I could handle it. But yeah, so I think maybe that's where it's going. Just people need to be more like

capable of reading cues or something like that. No idea. I'm very excited and curious, though. I feel like it's going in a positive direction, even though there's obviously going to be bumps in the road, it feels like things are going to get a little better. Yeah, I hope so. But one one last question here. I don't know what you're it's five eleven. Are we cool for a little bit longer?

We've been doing this for two hours. Well, not for two hours. No, we got here at four. Four. OK, good, good, good. I'm good. OK, great. So here's a question I have for you guys, because you really don't like Trump. You really don't like Trump. Here's something that I've been thinking about when we really don't like somebody.

That means they probably suck, but it also means there's probably parts of them in us that we don't want to admit. So if you were forced to name something, what's something in Trump that you think is in you that you wish you could change? I mean, I feel like he has. A will to win, but I don't know that I want to change that. Or, you know, his ambition seems like he's just like.

It's undeniable. And I feel like he is kind of a winner. Right. He figures out how to win. Right. You know, he definitely does it by like name calling and like negative things. But I think his his ambition is is pretty like out of control. So you do you feel like there's some of that in you out of control ambition?

Well, there has been. I don't know if it's out of control. No, I wouldn't say that I would like try to like hurt my enemies. But I do recognize that quality. Well, you're a hard worker. I mean, you you as he says he. Yeah. Is he I'm sure. And well, he is a lot of vacations.

I'm trying. I'm literally right here trying to think of anything. Trump and I have in common. And I I just can't think we both have bodies. I can't think of anything else. You both love your families. Does he? I think he I think he's into his family.

I mean, I think that's how a lot of Republicans justify things. Because they're like, I'm doing it for my family. We're getting the money, you know, like whenever they get money and they get the taxes cut so they can become even like bigger billionaires. Yes, somehow they think it's for like their family. Right. Which is weird because it's like what about, you know, what about other people's children?

What about like funding for the communities? Well, there's some verse in the Bible where Jesus is saying like even like and it's not really fair to wolves or I can't remember. Maybe he says snakes, but he's like loving your family. Even snakes love their family. Even like he was like trying to use like the evil animals, which really aren't evil, but he's trying to use the evil animals to say, like, who gives a fuck about your love of your family?

It doesn't mean anything. It's the love of everyone that's the that would be the incredible, miraculous shift to make. So you're right. He does love his fucking family. Guaranteed he loves his family. I thought of something we have in common. What? OK, so he does have a thing where everyone will say no to him, whatever.

And in his mind, he goes, you'll fucking see. I've had that since I was like 12. Just people who are like, you can't do that. I'm like, mm-hmm, you'll see. What's an example of that when you were 12? Just got anything. Just you can't graduate from high school. Right. Like, you know, I was like, I want to be an actress.

I want to leave this town. I want to I lived in a town of a thousand people. I was like, I want to move to Hollywood and take on the world. People like, well, that doesn't seem and I'm just like, mm-hmm. And in my mind, I just wouldn't say anything and I just be like, you'll see. Where did that come from in you? Where did you get that from? I don't know. Maybe my dad, he's an entrepreneur, kind of spirit.

OK, so maybe him. But I just always I always had that in to a degree that I think has helped me and to a degree that's for that I probably don't like, where maybe everyone was right about a certain thing. And in my mind, I'm like, mm-mm, you're wrong to myself. Yeah, I'm jealous of one of Trump's qualities. What? Well, like how he trolled the woman's march. Like everyone, everyone like marched against him.

Most of the signs were like, fuck you, Trump. Yeah. And then he tweeted out, thank you so much for all the women who march. What a great day to march. Feminism, female job employment has never been higher. Thank you. And it's like he has this like uncanny ability to spin things into like it was good for him. I know. And it seems like he believes it. Well, I mean, it's like you'd never have a problem.

Well, what is it? You took everything as a compliment. I wish I took every tweet as a compliment. Yeah, that's what it is. Oh, thank you. He takes everything as a compliment. You ugly, talentless bitch. I'd be like, actually, you know, I mean, he's clearly like trolling. But at the same time, he is like, he's not hurt by it.

What do you think is the worst thing about him? I think he's a sociopath. But what are the what in particular do you think is the worst? Like outside of like maybe he's a sociopath. I mean, like something he's doing that that is the worst of all the things he's doing, like, for example, I don't think he cares about human life. He just doesn't care about like people dying or people. I don't think so. Do you?

I mean, I can't be alone in this. I'm amazed at some of the decisions he makes. Like I just read that he has put a 35 percent tariff on parts used for solar panels from overseas, so he's actually fucking up clean, clean energy. Yeah. So it's like every time there's something to decide, he picks the thing that's going to hurt the most people, in my opinion. Yeah, but that is also like the Republican agenda. When you look at it from, you know,

continue fracking to cut all the funding for the poor people, like, you know, to clean air, it seems like everything about that agenda is negative. Like he also for his like three kids or however many kids he has. Well, but I wonder why do you think he is like that? Why are with that's the Republican Party. If that's the agenda of the Republican Party. Why? Like why? Maybe they're mentally ill. Well, I mean, there's got to be a reason beyond that, right?

I think they think that government shouldn't be involved, that people should pull themselves up by their bootstraps, even though they haven't been able to realize that some people aren't born with any boots. And I think that they just have this like skewed version of things where it's like every man for themselves, you know. I wonder how they feel about the hot tub law. Well, I know Rand Paul, Ron Paul would be against it. The Libertarians would be against it.

But I think you're right. They do have this like pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Which in a way, like I feel like, OK, like let's say if I look at millennials or like a 20 year old who's like, you know, sends a budding comedian. They send me their first tape and they're like, can you help me get on Conan? I saw you to Conan and I'm just like, this is the first thing you've ever done. You know, like I'm like, I worked for 20 years and went to like all these crappy open mics. Like maybe they think something like that.

Like I'm working so hard. So can you, you know, why should I help you when I've been working for all? And I'm making it possible for you to like have a quicker career. Maybe it won't take as long as it took me. Like so maybe it's an idea like that or they but it's just not fair. Well, yeah. And also the idea makes sense. Yeah, sure. But it also ends up favoring the wealthy. Like it ends at the decisions always end up favoring the super rich.

And it's it's obvious what it is. It's an oligarchy. And it's the inevitable result of it's just the same thing that happens over and over again throughout time, which is the fucking king gets all the stuff. And then the peasants don't get the stuff. It's just an upgraded version of it. And I saw Bill Maher had this analogy that I was like, oh, that is so perfect. He was talking about he's like, if there's a pizza party,

there's a hundred people and a hundred slices. The first guy comes up, takes 99 slices and turns around to the next guy and says, that guy's trying to take your slice. And he's like, you guys split it all fight over it. Doesn't it feel true that feels like that's the system. And then everyone gets mad at each other and they're fighting over this small piece of nothing when they should have a bigger, they should have a real piece of pizza.

What are you a fucking communist? The moment you start saying things like that, they accuse you of communism because you're just stating the obvious thing. Like I thought of it in terms of bananas on an island like if we all washed up on an island and one of us had all the bananas and was rash was saying, like, well, you know, I went and I picked all these bananas and maybe they did. But still you would say to that person, well, yeah, but we're all hungry. Don't you want to share with us?

And the person would be like would share with us. And if the person didn't, we'd take the bananas because we're all hungry. And there's more of us than you. And and a burning man, which is a gifting, a sharing economy, when you have stuff, you realize that like no one has to take it from you. You just naturally want to give it away because it feels good and it like feels good to give a bunch of strawberries to dusty people who are really hungry in the afternoon just feels good, better than eating the fucking strawberries.

But we're sick from capitalism. Like there's no reason why Steve Jobs needs to be hiding or, you know, whoever's in charge of Apple now, hiding all of their money overseas and Tim Cook, like, you know, just like they're in the news every single week for like some awful thing. And it's just like, you know, from making it, making it so our phones take longer to load so that they just came out and admitted that, that they were doing that so people would like, you know, buy new phones. That article I sent you yesterday that 84% of the wealth is in the top 1%.

Like something's off with that. Like, I don't think people, communism works, but that's off. What do we do, Ricky? What do we do, though? What's your plan? Like, how do we get that? I think we up the minimum wage. We, you know, make people have their businesses here or we don't give them tax cuts. The corporations who have all their shit overseas. So people are getting tax cuts for having their corporations overseas.

Well, I mean, they still get tax cuts if they have all their factories overseas. The minimum wage thing I want to talk to you about because the really creepy thing is, OK, so if we up the minimum wage to a certain amount, then that amount, the moment it exceeds the amount of money it would take to automate your workforce and to take care of your robots, then all that's going to happen is businesses are going to have a market pressure to automate their workforce. That's not true because, you know, I saw the thing about CEOs where I'm going to make up these numbers because I don't remember them exactly,

but it was like a CEO in the 80s made like a million dollars. And then they realized that they were the CEO, so it could give themselves their own salary. Yeah, they just figured it out. And then they're just like, I make a hundred million dollars. It went up by like a hundred times. They didn't go to two million dollars. And then they're like, oh, wait, so you've got a company, Ricky, and you don't give your people an $80,000 Christmas bonus, right?

Oh, and that's legal. OK. I'm not going to why I'm not going to. Why would I do that either? There are why should we give the janitor health insurance? I need a hundred million dollars. Right. Like these companies have the money. I dated a billionaire once and all he did, his dad was a billionaire. I would see him up in the middle of the night.

He was checking his dad's ranking on the Fortune 500. Like, but it's like that's important to people. Right. And it's weird. But that's the. But again, like it's still like it if I'm running a business and I am someone who's interested in where I rank in the Fortune 500 and I've managed to like get myself into the thinking that human beings are just kind of like inefficient, meaty robots that I'm using to run shit.

And who gives a fuck about them early? I don't care. They can do their own thing. It's not my fault they're working for me. They can quit anytime they want. Who gives a fuck? It's it's not my problem, man. Start your own business like I started mine. I don't have to take care of you. And suddenly it's like maybe that's why religion was good.

It made people like care about their fellow man. Like people are less religious now, too. But keep going. Well, yeah. I mean, maybe that is it. And maybe we're just missing it. And some people say that the problem is that we've become so disconnected. From a shared mystical story that we have basically the industrial revolution has made some people think of other people as machines instead of like carriers of souls.

And so the problem again, Ricky, though, is is unless you're going to say you can't automate your workforce, if you're telling me, OK, well, I have to pay my workers $22 an hour. And it cost me $21 an hour to take care of a hamburger making machine or a self-checkout line or all the things that I could do to automate. Then I'm going to automate if I'm if I don't give a shit about people. I mean, that's a pretty dark point of view, though. Well, it's what's happening. I mean, that's the reality.

The reality is some people are saying that in the next 20 years, we are going to see something like 38 percent unemployment because of automation. So and this is what Carl, one of the things that's when people storm and take all the bananas, that's that's when it gets real. Well, this is and this is actually what I think should be part of the conversation is. What it is in someone's self interest to share some of the wealth because, you know, they'll raid the castle. Well, this is where we come to the end of the Roman Empire, right?

Where they're like putting like shows on for people and like trying to like just distract people from the banana problem. So so, yeah, so this is the thing. So I do this is universal basic income, right? We start sending people checks for a thousand dollars every week or something just to keep them from setting us on fire. Do you think that's the answer? I don't know. We need to figure out how much is enough to live on.

That's the thing, because I was going to propose. What about if really rich people, you know, because everyone wants their names in the news? Like, OK, I'm in charge of bringing back all arts programs to public schools. I'm going to fund this. I don't have this. But like I'm going to take, you know, two hundred million or ten million. I don't know what it would cost to like maybe even just for my city. And then it can be like the Natasha Legerro arts program. And then I can get like, you know, because everyone wants accolades.

And I could like give up some of my income. But then I'm like, well, why don't I do that now? I'm sure I have a lot more money than some people. Why don't you do it now? Because I don't think I have enough money. But that's the thing. Maybe maybe Tim Cook doesn't think he has enough money. Yeah, I yeah, I think that it's it's definitely.

We need to like pare down or something. I mean, and of course, I mean, I have enough money to live, but it's like you always think that you're going. It's like a problem. Maybe we need some kind of gifting simulator that you can like give rich people that releases the same chemicals in your bloodstream that you get when you give things to people because it's one of the best feelings ever. And maybe wealthy people have just gotten don't even understand what that's like.

But what is wealthy like you're a wealthy person compared to like many, many people. I mean, I don't know about that. But I know what you're saying. I mean, this is like one of the one. I there's this Ramdas lecture that I heard or radio program. You say radio calls and someone's asking, what do we do with our money? What is the idea? What what what are what is a spiritual person

supposed to do with their money? And you hear this. And I maybe I just projected it, but you hear this hitch in Ramdas's response because he's got a ton of dough, you know what I mean? And or at the time, maybe he had more money than other people. And you hear this momentary pause because he's thinking about it. But he said you should only keep the bare minimums to sustain yourself and give the rest away.

The bare minimum to sustain yourself. And if he does go to Hawaii six times a year, he lives in Hawaii, but the house in Hawaii is actually that's not his house. It's it's donated to the foundation for him to live in. But regardless, this concept of only what you need for the bare minimum, if everybody was doing that, then we would be in a utopia. What's the bare minimum? Then, you know, we're human beings.

It'll never work. Like some human, you're at how to game that system. Like I want to order whatever I want on Amazon. Well, I mean, this is the this is the problem. I mean, I in I think that what people should be doing. I want Hermes wallpaper. I do, too. I mean, we all do. But you know what? I want more than that.

I want a group of beautiful, not literally physically beautiful, but sweet friends who are going to take care of each other, regardless of what the fuck the government is doing for us. And I think they also say we're not the problem. This is not like the didn't the new tax cuts. I could be remembering this wrong again, because I have the worst memory. I think the DeVos family got like an extra two billion dollars or two hundred million dollars, some crazy amount of money just from this cut.

And like, why? Yeah. But don't you think the problem is trickle down? The problem is what I think the problem is what you just said, because I know I'm guilty of it. The problem is saying I'm not the problem. Right. The problem is not taking personal responsibility and just like what you just said to me, Natasha, is true. I do have some probably more money than a bunch of people.

And and what if I said no more stakes? The bare minimum is gruel. You can start eating oatmeal. I'm well, you know, I think that that by itself sounds fucking rotten. But I think that when you pair it with just a simple invitation, and I think it's super important these days, is people need to find to people need to start communities and people within those communities. There needs to be open honesty and communication. And there needs to be like the one a group of people I'm associated with.

One thing that we have said to each other is none of us are ever going to be homeless. And so because we know we have enough money together to take care of each other. And if somebody gets into trouble, we can take care of them. This used to be what the family was supposed to do, but this is like a bigger family. You should become Jewish. That's how the Jews think. Well, and it's served them well, hasn't it? And and I think so. One thing people can do is forget about the fucking government.

Forget about Trump. Forget about the taxes and the tax cuts and the whatever the fuck. And just think, do I have a group of people around me that's going to take care of me if things get bad? And if I don't, why don't I? Why am I trying to make that group of people a bunch of fascists and fucking suits who are getting paid off by the goddamn cigarette companies in the prison industrial complex and the military industrial complex?

That's going to be my tribe. No, you should have a group of good people around you that's going to. It doesn't matter. You're you're going to be taken care of, I think. I feel like I have that. I don't know. You never asked me what my least favorite thing about Trump is. What's your least favorite thing about Trump? I feel like he's farted on the world and we can't get away from it. It's just like the cloud permeated.

Like, I'm getting new I'm getting new alerts on like every one of my devices at all times about things he said and did. And I can't like escape and it's like right. I think it's it's like a poison. It's it's it's he's like the ultimate narcissist. And he's like, I'm not that interested, but I can't. It's like Taylor Swift notifications. Like I can't get away.

I'll show you how to turn those off on your phone if you want the Trump stuff. But it's starting to happen on my computer now to turn them off, even on the computer. Yeah, I did the Google on my phone. And I'll tell you, when I turn those notifications off, my world became a much more peaceful place. What about when I go to Twitter? Well, that's just don't do Twitter. You're going to have to avoid the Twitter news updates or just like, don't scroll through.

I mean, you do have at least some control of that. And I don't think it's any accident at all. And we look at the fetishistic obsession people have with the United States government right now. It's really sick, because every time you get focused on the government, you believe that much more that we need the current system for things to work. Because who gives a fuck? This is just when you really consider how many senators and Congress people

and representatives and there are out there, how many are there? Do you know the total number of senators? Like it's how many is it? There's like 240. What is guessing? Is it one for every state or is it? Oh, wait, senators. Is it two for every state and then Congress is 200 people or something?

I don't know. Well, the question you told me there was five thousand. I would be like, you should look it up because we sound really stupid. What's a mad? Well, I mean, shit. People know that I definitely stupid people know this information. But but it's like, well, this is one of the reasons we couldn't get guns if we didn't know this. So I guess we can't get guns. But let's say there's six hundred. Let's say there's four hundred of them.

There's four hundred of them. It's just four hundred old bags out there, and some of them are good, but a lot of them are just paid off. And we're letting this group of four hundred fucking people tell us how hot we can heat our fucking hot tub. This is insanity, man. It's insanity, you know, so maybe part of the thing for people to do is to begin to turn their eyes away from the government and turn their eyes

into their community and start thinking more about that, like forming bonds that are going to last when the fucking missiles hit, you know, Duncan, so bleak. God, it's so or but what about, you know, shouldn't there be someone coming up for the liberals to run against Trump, who's not over 80? I don't know. I don't like you don't put any and you don't invest anything in that. No, I my my I don't. It's not that I'm like in going to write any manifestos or anything like that.

But I do think that there is something to be said for as much as possible, shaking off the saddle of the oppression of our of any system like our the United States government so that it's not like in our brains and and spend more time forming very strong, cohesive bonds with the community. But and then let's see what happens. I mean, isn't there room for both? I mean, it's a personal question.

Am I overly obsessed with the machinations of the United States government? I was going to say yes. And then I couldn't name how many congresspeople we have. So clearly I'm not. Well, I mean, it's it's for many of us, me included. It's a collision of lack of information about the way the system itself works, mixed in with a lot of superstition about like some kind of like actual nefarious direction that some party or group is taking,

which implies a kind of at least like focused, rational intent when it might just be a bureaucracy that is completely inefficient and chaotic. And because of that, the it's lost its soul. There's no I mean, it's always going to be a bunch of old white men trying to like wrangle us, don't you think? Yeah, and that's how it's always been like I'm watching a documentary on, you know, the House of Windsor in England. And it's always they were like they were like all German and they had a German

last name and it was just a bunch of like Nazi related people, like ruling, ruling England. And then they all got together after Hitler and were like, we should change our name. Let's be the house and they kept like pitching names and they're like, well, let's just name it after the castle or the House of Windsor now. And then all the English people are like, oh, and now think of how the British people worship their royalty. It's just like, what?

It's everything's confusing. And I think that, you know, we're not at least we don't have like a royal royal system in place, but we kind of do kind of do. But I want you guys to tell us because you're both I think you're in your own what you are kind of your activists, like you're out, you're at least online. You're expressing your opinions to everyone. And like, and I think the really weird thing, because at least there's something my grandmother said to me when she's like, I look in the mirror,

I see a 93 year old, but inside I feel like I'm 12. And so a lot of us still feel like children. And the idea that that that we're at, we're moving into the place where we're actually supposed to, some of us are supposed to be leaders. The question is, what do we do? There's a lot of people look up to you and and both both are all of us here. And I think many of us are like really weirded out by what's happening. What is something people listening can do to help?

What do you what do you guys do? What can we do more than getting stressed out about the fact that we've got this insane person as our Mad King? I mean, the only things that I can think of that have changed for me. I started donating a lot more money and doing more volunteer work because it's kind of the only thing that makes me feel better. But it's I still feel powerless. I feel like just kind of overwhelmed.

What volunteer work do you do? I do project to Angel Food and I'll like go and make food there. And I just volunteered in a prison for a day for this project called Defy, which is like it sounded fascinating. Yeah, it was really it was really cool. It was these guys who do like a six month business training program and they have like their graduation day and they bring people who are entrepreneurs of some sort.

Most people were like, you know, I'm just sort of a television entrepreneur, but most people had real businesses that that went and volunteered with me. But these guys pitch you their businesses and the prisoners do the prisoners. Yeah, they take it's, you know, it's like the transition between we're like sort of the transition between going selling yourself to the real world. We were like the trick because you have to do it in front of people, not just other inmates, it's other, you know, they were called EITs, entrepreneurs and training.

They did not call them inmates EITs and they pitch you their ideas and they brag about themselves and they like you teach, they teach you like, you know, to like it's all and it was all like all this emotional connection. There was a whole thing about, you know, forgiveness and shame. And yeah, it was crazy. You start the day, honestly, you start, I like I could cry think about you start the day and it's probably 60 EITs and 60 volunteers and you stand across from each other and you look each other in the eye.

And the EIT says to you, they repeat this mantra. They were like, I agree to be vulnerable. I agree. It's I mean, I could cry. They're like, they are just like, I agree to let my guard down. I agree to let go of my shame. I agree because a lot of people have shame about what they've done. And these are people who are getting out. Yeah. And these are and they have to like at some point, you know,

forgive themselves in order to move forward. You know, you have to have self-esteem to get out in the world and pitch yourself and be like, yeah, I have all these strikes against me. You hear things about like people who are in prison and they get out and it's just like they actually preferred the prison lifestyle because no opportunity to do anything. But it was it was amazing. There was a thing like in those kind of things kind of make me feel better.

There was a thing called step to the line where there was just like a line of tape and the EITs are on one side and volunteers and you step forward if something's true about you. And this woman was like, I had a parent who was incarcerated and it was like 60 percent of those people step forward and no one on my side. And it was like, I got a college education. All of us, you know, there was like a couple, a couple, you know, one or two, there'd be an exception. But it was like I didn't complete high school.

It was like 60 percent of them step forward. It was it was such a such a record that play it for Republicans. Oh, my God, it was so you feel so grateful. And you just feel like, holy shit, I didn't know how surrounded by love I was and like how many opportunities I had just by having parents who in their mind, like not even nonverbally expected that I would be an educated, functional member of society instead of in their mind, expecting me to follow in their footsteps somehow.

And like that's the problem. It's like if you watch any show where people are getting molested, it's like 90 percent of the time they were molested or like anyone intervention. It always came back to like a molestation. Like I think almost every episode that I have ever watched. And it's like if we could just, you know, have more empathy because it's like people don't all come where you don't all start on the same base. Yeah. And this is about like forgiving them.

So you just how do you not end up in jail? Yeah. At some point you have like one guy, the first time he was arrested, he was seven. You're like, OK, what did it set? Like that guy had no chance to not end up in this position. But except now he's like, he's got to move forward. He's got to I did it myself. They should be able to do it. You just got to pull yourselves up from your bootstraps.

I don't care. I had hardships. Right. And it's just like that is just a false reality. I don't care. I'm just like them. I watch my daddy burn my mom's eyes out with a cigar. It's like, yeah, you're right. This is this is these people are like many of these people are like born into hell. And then because of that, they they're everything they touch catches on fire. And it sucks.

And it seems like liberals are able to understand that and wrap their minds around that difference and some people aren't. You think it's it's Republicans aren't capable of. I just think sometimes people they're just not empathetic, maybe. I don't know. Like how could you not? How how could you want to strip a city or a country or a state or whatever of like poor kids getting better lunches or like you don't want to have lunch? It's really it's just really hard to wrap your mind around that to think like,

well, I just don't think that it's not my problem. Right. It's very hard for for people who lean more liberal to understand how that's not all of our problems. But we all OK. So and because this first second is going to sound like I'm calling you out. So let me call myself out first. I am fully aware that I'm just going to throw out something that really riles me up. There is a really big problem in Los Angeles with stray dogs.

And these stray dogs are being slaughtered in these fucking shelters. Right now, there's like the cutest sweeties who are going to be euthanized for nothing in these shelters. And you know what I'm doing about it? Nothing, it fucking bothers me. It really does. It makes me fucking. But if you were given a bill where you had to pick, could I do something about it or not?

You would pick to do something about it. Yeah, but I'm saying that's put relegating control to the government. What I'm saying is if you're upset about lunches, you could very easily donate to something, do something, go and really make some active move. I don't do that. I don't do it either. I don't do it at all. And I think and I don't think that makes me evil.

I think it's just there's some kind of switch that's turned off. And most of us, when I hear you say this thing about prisons, when did you when was the first time you started volunteering? The first time I was, I think, 21. Not for the prisons. No, no, no, no, no. I started volunteering in orphanages in Mexico and into. Oh, yeah.

Wouldn't you just like have to hold babies? Mm hmm. Yeah. You go down and you just like hold children with AIDS. Yeah. Well, yeah. That was they don't get held. I didn't do it. I went to an AIDS orphanage in Africa. Yeah, it's like this thing where you can actually make it

like because nothing feels like you make a difference. But when you go to these orphanages, like there'll be like three people taking care of 60 kids and so the kids don't get that personal love. They don't get like people's eyes lighting up when they show off or they they don't get held enough. They don't get, you know what I mean? They don't get their picture taken enough. They don't get pushed on the swing enough.

They don't. So it's like it's not imagine you're not you're not fixing anything, but you're helping like a little. You feel like you help a little. How old were you when I started? Yeah, 21, 21. And do you remember maybe, maybe 24, maybe around? I don't remember around that age.

I want to know what led up to the decision to do that for the first time. Like what pushed you over the edge and it going out to volunteer? It was this girl, Bitsy, who's still one of my friends. She she came over to my house and she was talking to my roommate about it. And I was like, what is that? That sounds good to me. And she's like, oh, I'm going next weekend. I was like, I wanted I want to do that.

And I started doing that with her. Well, what's really good about Project Angel Food with me and she like she's just. Yeah, I have to say one thing about Ricky is she has a lot of follow through. And I think that's why, you know, we have a TV show because like I love coming up with ideas, like I can't tell you the amount of times I've almost volunteered. Like I went through a six week course that you told me to do, Duncan, where you help people with hospice, like in hospice.

And then when it got down to like the blood test after my six classes that took a month and a half, I had to I didn't want to drive downtown for the blood test. Right. And then I just never did it. But I clearly like like it's that follow through, you know, like and I see people online doing things. I'm like, oh, I want to do that. I want to work with children.

I mean, I have obviously done some stuff, but certainly not enough. I'm not that great. Like I just do it sometimes. Like I feel like I don't do enough. I feel like I don't give enough. It's not like it's not constant. I'm not that great. You know, every once in a while I go to Africa to a little baby.

No, I was already in Africa. I was already in Africa. No, no, no, no, I was already. It's weird because so here's I'm not like a volunteer leader. But if someone says, hey, do you want to come to this thing? I say yes, pretty much. But I don't think of it. I don't I'm not like actively looking and like I'm like, I want to be I want to

go and be in the shelter. It's like if someone came over to you tomorrow and said, hey, tomorrow I'm going to the shelter that you'd be like, OK, like it's just it's just the people in my community have led me to this. Like Jeff Ulrich, the guy from Ear Wolf texted me. He goes, I think you should do this prison thing. And I was like, OK, like it's been other people maybe we could all start like helping each other to to go do it.

You know, like in the same way that like if Trump weren't elected, I don't think we'd be having like the women's movement that we're having because I think people are so enraged by him. And like the fact that he said, like you can just grab women by the pussy. I mean, I was 100 percent my life on the line. There's no way someone who says that can be the president. And like it's still happened. And it's just so appalling.

I think it like all these cumulative things like everyone's just so annoyed and mad and pained that like we're able to have this movement now, which I feel like if Hillary Clinton were our president, we wouldn't be feeling the same way. And so maybe together we can all try to like just even do it with with friends to try to like find things like you said, like school lunches or right, you know, the arts programs. I mean, yeah, this is now it's you've definitely set off a cascade inside of me because I'm just thinking, oh, you know what I'm going to do?

I'm just going to figure out some something I can do for like the dog problem in L.A. It's not hard to do. I could tomorrow I can. What would you do? You just do it for a day, like go and help out in an event. Well, you got to figure like the question of the question is what's the most efficient thing you can do? And sometimes the most efficient thing to do is to give money because they've got

they just need money to pay the people who are already there. But sometimes I know I can already think of a thing I could do. I'm not going to say it because I might not fucking do it. Say it, then you will. Yeah, don't say adopt another one. No, I'm not adopting more dogs. But I mean, it would be very easy for me to on the podcast every episode to find a dog and a shelter and like announce that this dog should get adopted.

Do it once. See how you feel. What are you going to do, Natasha? I'm going to support you with that dog thing. What does that mean? Support me. What are you going to do? You know what you need to do is you need to get friends who do volunteer work

and then have them text you about it. Some people are good at that. I'm not a volunteer leader. I need someone else to point me. They'll be like show up on Saturday for this bus and we're going to go hold babies. I'll be like, oh, I'll go to the bus. But I don't think you need you need a leader of friends like that. What can I oh, but here's a blockage I have about it is I don't want to.

It makes me. Sorry, go ahead. No, no, we just we met through a volunteer trip. We became friends through a volunteer trip. What? Oh, that's true. I did do something. What did you do? She does.

Oh, my God. I'm remembering this now. What did you do? We went to Africa to help cure malaria. Yeah, what? I saw Natasha. I was supposed to go with Kate and it was like this comedians clear like help with malaria, not cure, but help with malaria.

And I ran and I cured it. I dropped out and I saw Natasha in audition and I was like, I'm going to Senegal and like four days and she and Kate just dropped out and she's like, I could do that. And I was like, OK, and I texted them. I said, can Natasha go in Kate's place? And they were like, absolutely. Yeah.

And so she went and got all her shots and we went to Senegal. I got like $900 worth of anti-Tuberculosis shots all up in Delmar. Yeah. But the point is, is that I wouldn't have thought of that. I just need like, I think a lot of us need encouragement and community to help. Moshe gives people turkeys on Thanksgiving. He brings them turkeys. I got it.

I got to say this. When you said the Natasha Leggero was it fun for the arts? What did you call it? The thing you said? Oh, yeah, that I could give. But I don't have $10 million was the name of it. The Natasha Leggero Arts Fund. I don't know.

That is I just doesn't have a great ring to it. It really does. That has a great ring to it. And you know what? I bet you could do something like that right now. You're thinking a million dollars. You don't need a million dollars. I bet you could start something.

How do I do it? Don't ask me. I feel like Ebenezer Scrooge after I have Ricky for an hour. I'm going to go volunteer and kill myself. I just can't decide which I swear it's not that deep. It's really I'm not that helpful. It's only occasionally. That's what all of you guys say.

It's always like, no, no, it's really not much. Meanwhile, it's like I'm just thinking about like passing people on the street who've asked me for money and I don't have any change. Well, I think you have to do like an organized situation too. And then when I think of what needs it the most, I would think like children and the environment. Those are like the two things that without like the future people and without like clean air and water, it's like we kind of don't have much.

Well, I feel inspired. I'm going to figure out something to do. Thank you. I'm going to figure out something too. I will report back report back. I want to know and I'll announce it on the podcast. And if you don't do anything, I'll publicly shame you on the podcast. So very quickly, can you talk a little bit about another period that's coming up?

I know that this is like about what season are you in? Three, three in the first episode. We have a women's March and we wrote the episode in September of 2016. Wow. So I had this like crazy experience where we were speaking of Trump. We wrote the whole season, almost the whole season, and we were like, OK, there's going to be a female president and like Guy Branham in our writer's room. He's really smart.

He's like, we should be thinking of what the backlash of a female president is going to be. So we were like, you know, our show is a little satirical. So we were really like, you know, mining all of those things. And then all of a sudden he got elected. And so like Comedy Central gave us more time and we finished the sea. We had to kind of rework a lot of stuff. So holy shit, that's crazy. I'm sure a lot of people had that experience, but we've got.

Yeah, there's a there's a women's March in the first one. It's a good show. It takes place this season in 1904. It's like if a family of the Kardashians moved into Downton Abbey. Yes, but so much of it is still relevant. Like, you know, there an article just came out like never in history has there been a time where the wealth gap is largest as like the gilded age where our show takes place and now.

So we just like come full circle. A hundred years later, the entire century, things were more fair than they are now. And then yeah, well, it's because they didn't have income tax. So people had billions of dollars, you know, until they introduced income tax in 1913. And now people have just figured out legally how to not get out of that. Yeah, they had income tax and antitrust laws. And then women got the vote and things got more fair until now. When how did you guys come up with a show?

When was what was the inception of it? When you went to Newport after we got back from Africa. I do a lot of volunteer work. And so Ricky and I went to Africa to cure malaria. All over the paper. Thank you. And so we did that. And then when we were there, it was actually a pretty harrowing experience. And so we were the only women and we would just like talk all night.

And like, you know, we were kind of like, you know, it was it was it was very hot. It was very hot. There wasn't food. Like it was like rough. That's where you came up with the idea for another period. Well, no, but we came up with the idea that we wanted to create a show. See, now look at that. You took yourself out of your comfort zone. You put yourself into a sacred place.

And God came to you, even though I know you're an atheist now. And you that's trouble. I'm just kidding. God came to you and gave you this show like you or this show bubbled up inside of you because you went into a zone that you normally wouldn't go into. And I do think you're right. I think it's really important to go into these zones. Yeah. But can I say one more thing about volunteering, too?

Yes. Because now you made me feel bad. But I also think I also think it's very important to like as much as possible in your personal life to try to like spread joy. Right. And I think that that's something you can't really forget about. Right. You know, like, I don't think it's just about like, you know, feeding all of the unemployed people you can. I mean, obviously, that's important, too. How do you spread joy?

How do you what? What does that look like? People, the benefit of the doubt and situations you try to greet people with. I mean, I just remembered, you know, like everyone's talking about that woman from what's her name from three billboards. Fran. Oh, yeah. Frances McDormand. Yeah. I met her once in New York. I was volunteering or I was, yeah, I was a volunteer.

I was a volunteer at the Worcester Group, a theater company. And she was so rude to me and she made me feel like such shit. And I was like a budding act, you know, like she could have just like smiled. And I would, it would have meant like so much to me. Yes. And like she was just like, just like a bitch. And maybe I'm sure I have done the same to people. But it's just like just that idea that like, you know, you hold power to like make people feel like shit or make them feel empowered and welcome.

Yes. And I think that just little things. That's beautiful. I'm sorry I brought her into this. It's OK. She's just funny because everyone thinks she's so cool. But I'm sure she is cool. Well, at the time she wasn't and look at what happened, it left a mark on you for a very long time. She's not going to win an Oscar.

Well, maybe. So it's just a combination. But I love that, too. Because it's really easy to like just start thinking about these grand things like I'm going to try to help the dogs and in LA or I'm going to help solve malaria when meanwhile you you could just as easily you're passing people every day on the street that you could at least generate a little bit of love for. And maybe who knows like who knows the effect that's going to have.

So I think it's a combination of both, right? Yes. And also you should watch our TV show, another period. That will help us a lot. On Tuesdays, following Drunk History, a show that you're on this season as well. That's right. Yeah. So they can get they can watch another they can watch Drunk History and then they can watch another period. You guys are the best.

Thank you so much. This is an inspiring conversation. I really was. Thank you so much for spending this much time with me. I really appreciate it. Another period. I'll be watching you guys watch it. Save the dogs, cure malaria and follow these people on Twitter

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