Duncan Trussell Family Hour - Robert Ryan

Episode Date: July 31, 2017

Tattoo artist, Robert Ryan (The Inborn Absolute) joins the DTFH and we dive deep into the world of Bhakti Yoga, Shaivism, and finding god in all things.

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All right, let's jump into this episode friends. Today's guest is an amazing human being who God brought to me through sheer synchronicity. He was the one who led the ohm at my show. This is how we met. I did not know at the time that he was a legendary tattoo artist who has an amazing book called the inborn absolute links to that are going to be at dunkintrustle.com. He's also a world traveler, an initiate and an amazing human who is here with us today. Everybody please get your third eyes a glowing, stoke up your pineal hearth and allow some

of those sweet mystical sparks of enlightenment to drift on the winds of time to wherever today's guest may currently be standing. Everyone please welcome to the dunkintrustle family hour podcast Robert Ryan. One last thing you'll notice there's like a background drone happening in this. That's my air conditioner, which I turned on to drown out the sound of whatever renovations my neighbors are doing in my apartment underneath mine. It sounds like they're doing some kind of chainsaw carving. Coming in on the floor, man.

Robert, welcome to the DTFH. Thank you so much for being here with me today. Man, thank you so much for having me. It's a real honor to be here. Thank you. In the wild way we met in the last live podcast with Aubrey, you came on stage and started oming in the most beautiful way. So I guess the only question that I should ask to start this podcast off is, where'd

you learn to ome like that? I've been oming. It's funny to use as a verb, but I've been chanting ome for probably about 20 years and not until maybe the last three years I've really found my, it was a way for me to find my voice. I felt like I was always kind of struggling. I sang for punk bands when I was younger and I enjoyed it and it was a strong expression, but I never really felt like my own voice until I found my voice to ome in that frequency.

I was able to really dial into something and maybe dislodge something that was choking me. So yeah, it helped me to like travel to India and chant with people and chant with my teacher here in the States and in India as well. So just being able to kind of dial into someone else's frequency or the frequency of many people doing it in unison was really helped me find my own voice. What do you think it is, the ome? I think the ome is the absolute consciousness.

It's the frequency that's been there the entire time and continues and it has no beginner end. It's the vastness. It's tapping into the root of everything that we are, everything that was before us and that will come after us. So not to ask maybe one of the most ridiculous questions I ever asked on this podcast, but do you think that before the Big Bang, the ome existed? Yes, I do.

I do. I think the ome might have initiated the Big Bang. So now explain that process to me and not in scientific cosmological terms, but mythological terms because you have a deep grasp of a lot of the world's mythologies and symbols through your work. So what's your theory on that? If the ome started the Big Bang, how did it go down? Well they say the Big Bang happened at a certain point in time, right?

I don't know if it happened at a certain point in time or if it happened at the very beginning, right? Or did time proceed the Big Bang? Well even if there was a beginning, they say that the ome has no beginning or end. So it's just a constant frequency. I think it exists in a possibly in all dimensions, it's not just the one that we're living in, not in this earthly dimension where the Big Bang happened in that dimension or in this universe, but the ome is the omniverse.

Okay, okay, and it contains within it all sounds, right? All sounds, everything, yeah. So it's kind of just this spectrum of, but it's also, the other thing about it is it's a creative, right? There's a sense that the thing is, like something about it is literally progenitive or something? Yes, almost like the egg, you know, the ome is the egg, everything's contained within the ome, even the Big Bang would be contained within the ome. So let's do, let's hear you do an ome.

Ome. Yeah, wow, okay, okay, let's try to do it together because that's what's really, you know, when I was in India up on this rooftop in Dharamsala, I remember seeing, there were these two women up there and they were doing the ome together and like hitting all these frequencies with it and sometimes you could do that, so maybe we could do that. Yeah, I think humans, as humans, we can hit up to maybe three octaves together, you know, even though it's just the two of us doing it, like a low, middle and high. I'm probably gonna regret this because I don't have a great voice, but let's give it a shot.

Okay. You start. Ome. Ome. Ome. Ome. Ome. Ome.

I'm not good at oming, but. No, you're great, you know, and it's funny because no matter anyone's pitch or frequency or if people do it softer or lighter, eventually when you're oming in unison, it all comes together no matter what, and that's the beauty of it. What is this thing that you're letting me borrow here that we have? It's called a shruti box, and shruti means to sing, so it's really good for singing along with. You know, it's similar to a squeeze box in like the European fashion that they would

call the squeeze box in India, they call it a shruti box, and it's basically just a harmonium without the keys, so just a single ome. But it has the ome in it, it's making, it oms, it's like an oming box, basically. The ome machine. Let me grab it real quick. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Okay. What was that prayer you just sang? It's a shanti prayer. It's a prayer of peace. It's not to any deity or anything, it's sending out good thoughts, good feelings to the universe. I'm not sure the exact meaning of it offhand, but that's- Where did you learn it?

I think I probably learned that one on my own, but I've learned a lot of the mantras and bhajans through my teacher. Your teacher, so I guess I keep, most of us don't know those prayers in the west. Especially, and most of us, me included, we dabble in this stuff, but we certainly haven't taken the grand leap that you have taken into it. You've clearly been transformed by this journey that you've been on for your entire life. When I'm, you know, I feel like I've known you forever, man. It's the strangest thing ever.

Well we have known each other forever. We came to that point earlier before we started recording that we probably known each other a couple thousand times in a couple thousand lives. But yeah, I do, you know, like, mantra has always been very meaningful to me, and I first began through ISKCON, much like yourself, hearing the Hare Krishna Maha Mantra, which to me is one of the most beautiful, most powerful ones. I still chant that one all the time. Yeah.

It's an amazing mantra. You chant on japa beats? I chant japa, and I'll chant out loud as well. I'm not doing as many rounds as a lot of my friends who are more serious devotees of ISKCON, but I do chant Hare Krishna on japa. That's one of, maybe if there is, and God forgive me, all gods in all points in time, please understand I am a buffoon. But one of the things that bugs me, the one thing that bugs me about that form of japa

is that it can be competitive, because you keep track of how many times you've said it, which seems kind of arbitrary, you know? So like, what is Prabhupada, what is the amount of times he said that you're supposed to do it? Well, for a devotee to become initiated, you're to be chanting 16 rounds a day. 16? That number haunts me. To this day, that number haunts me when I drag myself in front of the puja table, I

start chanting in my japa beads, and one round feels like a thousand years, and I finish the one round in this dumb, proud way, and I'm still like, well, you have to do that 15 more times, it's like two hours, right? Yeah, but I think that's not your path, you know? If you did one round with sincerity, I think it would be just as powerful and life-altering to someone who's chanting at 16 rounds. Right. I think the most important part, honestly, from everything I've learned and through my

personal experiences, is to do it every day, daily practice, which is also very hard to do. I'm guilty of not doing it daily either, but I feel like the best results I've gotten in any kind of small advancements I've made has been from daily practice. So you came to the devotees, how did you meet the devotees? How did that happen? It's a funny story because I got kind of like the Karni Krishna trick, you know, like the one that they would use at the Grateful Dead shows all the time.

I was hanging out, I grew up on the Jersey Shore, and I was hanging out on the boardwalk with my friends, and a guy comes up to me, not dressed like a devotee, plain clothes, but he walks up to me and says, you're under arrest for smiling, and he handed me the sticker of Jagannath. And I'm like, all the blood rushed out on my body. I thought I was under arrest, and this narc comes up to me, and then he said, for smiling. And I looked at Jagannath, and I was so happy. And he's smiling.

A lot of you probably may not be familiar with the image of Jagannath. It's a smiling face, and it's a deity of Krishna, and it's supposed to be in the mood of when Krishna comes back to Vrindavan. So he's got a huge smile, and his eyes are real wide. And it's just this really beautiful expression, and they say Jagannath is the Lord of the Universe. A lot of people have Jagannath on their cars, and they don't even realize what it is. Yeah, it's amazing.

They think it's some kind of Grateful Dead image, or they're just not sure. They don't realize it's this... For those of you who are still wondering what it is, you can Google search it, but it's kind of like... It's very cartoony. Yeah, it was the unmanifested, or the unfinished deity. Like the carver was interrupted in the process of making the deity for this king. But because the carver was using so much devotion, it still took on the personification of Vishnu

or Krishna. But it's also where the word juggernaut comes from. It's exactly because when they would do the huge Rathiatra festival, which we see in this country a lot, they have one in New York. Most bigger cities have them. They take Jagannath out of the temple for the day, and bring him out, and let everyone see him. And when the English were in India, when they would have the Rathiatra festival, it would

be so far backed up that they thought, they were like, this is a juggernaut, and it just came back to Europe and then manifested here in the States. But you know about people throwing themselves in front of the wheels. Yeah, it's not permitted, but people still do it. And yeah, they think they're going to be liberated, being thrown under, you know, being crushed under the wheels of the great Lord. So that's just, this is like, when you imagine, I think people really lose track of just how primordial and intense things were at one point, which was that these massive floats

would be rolling down some dusty Indian road. Mm-hmm, in Puri. In Puri, and people, cultists, you would say, people just completely caught up in the power of this particular manifestation of religion, would hurl themselves under the wheels and be crushed to death. So these floats would be going down these dusty streets, and there would be blood trails behind them from people who had committed suicide in this way. Yeah, it's pretty powerful to think about.

Yeah, it's amazing. And I've seen people enraptured in front of deities before, maybe not to that point, maybe because culturally now we're further along and you're not supposed to commit suicide. I've seen people that absorbed in front of deities. I may have been that absorbed in front of deities myself at some time, but maybe not so much to throw myself under the wheels of a giant cart. But it's, yeah, it's powerful to think of. And you're also, like you said, you're thinking back at a different time.

Can you talk a little bit about what that feels like to be standing in front of deities completely transfixed by what you're looking at? Yeah. The first time that it really happened to me was actually in Brooklyn at the Iskhan Temple here, the Radhagavinda Temple. And, you know, I was 17 years old. I was kind of a, you know, punky teenager. And I went before the deities for the first time and like they were looking at me.

And I was not even a believer at this point. I was just kind of curious. But man, when I sat in front of those deities, it was something changed inside of me and I was transfixed and I'm still, I don't think haunted is the right word, but still inspired by that image. It still comes to me all the time, just how beautiful their faces were. And you know what it was? I think it wasn't so much like, oh, the statue is looking at me.

It was the amount of energy that was put into this statue over, you know, many years and so much worship was done to it and the amount of intention that was put into that statue and it's cleaned and dressed and maintained every day. And it's like, it's the spirit of it that inspired me and moved me and, you know, still brings me to tears when I see it. So yeah, it's a powerful feeling. It's kind of hard to explain, you know, because it can happen to you as a complete layman, you know, when you have no experience with it.

Happened to me? That's how I got, that's how I can, I mean, that's the, it was a conversion experience. I've never recovered from it. I've never come back from it because it was, and it certainly was like, yeah, I didn't, you know, I was, I was like, out there just having fun, I don't know, you end up in this temple, it's nice, you know, the chanting is cool. But then you look at this thing and then suddenly you realize like, this is a, I'm looking at a UFO here, man.

This is like a, this is, that's how my brain translated it. Or extraterrestrial. Yeah. Yeah. You've had that feeling of extraterrestrial. 100%. Yeah. And that's how our brain translates it, is this is such an advanced intelligence and

so, so, so far beyond my brain that the, as your, as the player piano that is the human mind desperately like struggles for the sound of what it's experiencing in the form of some linguistic translation, all it can grunt out is aliens. It's true. Yeah. Be aliens. Yeah. I mean, our worlds are so small and like, you know, like I'm coming from this place

where, you know, like I was, I was cutting high school to go to the temple, you know, so like it just blew my fucking mind wide open and my heart too, you know, it actually hit the heart first and then the mind later, cause like, why am I experiencing this? Why am I feeling this? You know, like, why do I want to go back so bad? Why do I want to be in front of it? You know? Oh yeah.

But yeah, our limited perception and vocabularies. We just tack the first thing onto it like UFO. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And to me, I love, you know, so many people are like, man, I'd really love to be on a spaceship. And what they mean is I would like to be on a human crafted device of travel, but what

they don't really want to be on a spaceship. No, they want to be on a simulated experience of a spaceship. Yeah. They don't want to be on like a living, breathing spaceship that can like take them into the next dimension. That docks in temples, you know, and that's how this, because when we think about every single bit of our ability to conceptualize anything is inevitably based on our own experience with vehicles or with devices of like, you know, we think of, you know, like it's a UFO

and the movies is just like a really cool looking airplane, right? It's just a version of an airplane, the Starship Enterprise. It's an airplane. It's like, it doesn't have, you know, it's just a crazy looking airplane. They all have these, you know, engines and they're like, and even when the UFO lands from another place, it's an airplane at all because that's how what we've got when we think about how something must go through space, it goes on a, it must go on something that looks like an airplane or an arrow or an arrow head or something that looks, I mean, that's how

limited we are as we're like, well, it looks like the symbol that represents going forward. That's what it must look like. But these particular UFOs that land in the temples of the world, they look like deities and the deities look like humans, but when you are in the state of being transfixed, they don't, at least for me, it doesn't look like, it's not a humanoid anymore. It just seems to be more like you're looking at a flower growing out of time that is growing into the temple that's decided to like grow there and it does look at you. It looks right at you.

It's looking at you and it's unbearable because it's too much. It's too much and your body will start shaking. Energy will, I don't know if you've ever felt that. Have you ever felt that? Yes, totally. There's one temple that is one of my favorite ones to go to, but it's very common that people go into some sort of possession or, you know, they just start kind of convulsing in front of this deity.

It's just so much power there. These are like, these are power centers. These are energy points, you know, and like it's not something we've ever experienced before. And I think a flower is a really good analogy, what you said, because it is being watered and cared for every day and being nurtured and with so much love. And then when it does, when it does fruit, it fruits for the entire community. Yeah.

Yeah. And it doesn't really give a shit about like, oh, I don't care what you owe. You're some punk atheist dude. Okay. No, no, I'll still look. I'll still show you this thing. Look. It's still here.

This is, you're here. You came in. That means you thought you were ready. So behold, this is something real. This happens. This is real. This is something real. And you thought you knew everything.

Totally. You get the smack down. Even when it's with love, you still get the smack down. It's like, you weren't ready for this. And you know, you thought you did know something and you're just going to, you're going to leave with their tail between your legs. Yeah. And for the rest of your life, you're going to think about it and your mind will always

go back to it. Your mind will all, and this is like, I mean, I can remember one of the devotees saying to me something like, oh, oh, you've been, because I've been coming to the temple and he looked at me. I remember he's like, oh, it's too potent. You'll never be able to, you'll never get away from it now, you know, and he was right. I mean, cut to, cut to, I don't know, 22 years later, man, I'm still chanting. I still think about the deities.

I still think about it, contemplate it. What do you think that, that attraction is, that draw that happens to a person, that feeling of being stuck in a tractor beam? Well, for you, being in front of Krishna, his name is the all attractive. So you just can't get him out of your mind. He's the personification of everything that we're attracted to, you know, and I think that that's how he's known. That's his personality.

The ones you were in front of were probably very powerful and it's working, you know, there's not much else I can really explain about it, but there's other deities that I felt differently, you know, different kinds of attractions or different power in front of as well. You know, so like the mood that, that that one was conveying towards you and the feeling that you were feeling in that temple is the expression of all the devotees in that temple, all the rituals that were performed in that temple. Also the guru who founded the temple, you know, Prabhupada came to the United States

with nothing and within a few years he had hundreds of temples and started a huge movement. So I mean, say what you will, you know, some people don't disagree with that, that arm of Hinduism or like have, have their differences with the way that, that Gaudiya Vaishnavism is, is taught, but it worked for him and it's continued to work beyond his leave in the body. Well, they think it's dangerous. Yeah. And I mean, it's a very strict version, you know, they think it's a dangerous cult.

Yeah. That was my mom's horror is that my brother and I would become, you know, inextricably caught up in ISKCON. And the funny thing about it is she wasn't that far off because the more that you like hang out there and the more that you're around it and the more that you smell it and the more that you eat the food and the more that you realize that this is a way that you can live for your whole life. Like this is a thing you can do.

You can shave your head, get a new name and lose yourself in a never ending state of intense theistic rapture over these particular symbols that represent the source of all beauty in the universe. And you could spend your whole life doing that. You could let go and you let go of everything, right? You do let go of your family. You do let go of your job. You do let go of your predilections.

You do let go of everything. You let go of your own, what you think makes you so special or what you think makes you so incredibly wonderful. You let go of all of that because who gives a shit? Yeah, it's total ego annihilation, you know, and I think that's what's so threatening to outsiders about it because it's like, oh, they're getting brainwashed. Oh, they're losing themselves. But when the people that are getting involved in these kind of groups, the self that they

were practicing as wasn't who they really were in the first place. Right. You know, it was this idea of what the self was. So when people's, you know, especially for like teenagers and young kids and like, of course, with your parents, but your peers as well, when people from the outside start seeing people become spiritual aspirants, it scares them because it threatens their whole way of thinking as well. Like, you know, you got to think like, why are they doing that?

Maybe they're right. Oh, yeah. Yeah. What could this be? They're committing the greatest sacrilege of all. They're shaving their heads. What are they doing? They're shaving their personality off of their head.

What are they doing? You know, and it's, it is quite horrifying if you're somebody who has put on, because you know, all of us have altars. You don't have to be some spiritual hippie to have an altar. You got an altar at your house, guaranteed. I don't know what it is. Got an Xbox? Yeah.

Yeah. Anything, you know? DVD player, stereo, large screen TV, everyone's got an altar. That's right. That's right. Basketball net. Yes. Yeah.

And you have an attraction. Mm-hmm. You know, you have a thing that you're into, you know, like something you're drawn to. You like, I don't know, the Grateful Dead maybe, or you're really into Bernie Sanders maybe, or you're completely caught up in the Trump, endless Trump, Trump drama or whatever, on either side of the spectrum. Sure. So you are a devotee.

Yeah. It's just the thing that you're devoted to is, I guess you could say further down the river than maybe what some, what, what, it's, it's more of like, I don't want to say degraded because it implies judgment. I don't mean literally like, you're a degraded being. I mean, literally like when you hear a sound from very, very far away, it's degraded. The sound's degraded. And I, isn't this kind of the concept as this entire material universe is a sort of expression

of the divine intelligence. And when you get caught up in the external trappings of it, you're hearing a kind of wavery, sort of broken up, static-y version of what you could be purely taking in. Yeah. I've heard it described as you're looking at it through like a dusty window. You know, like you're seeing it, you're seeing the divine, but you're not seeing it as clear as it could be. So you have to clean, clean away the dust.

Through a scanner darkly. You know, that's where a scanner darkly came from. No. Through like the concept of Maya? No, it comes from, hold on, I'll read it right now. Hang on, let me grab it real quick. All right. So this concept of like the dusty window, the dusty lantern, okay, this is, this is from

Corinthian 13. I'll just read the entire thing because it's, and this is from the King James version. So it's like, oh, like it's like sounds old, which I like. This is my favorite Bible to read when I'm on acid. King James. The more modern versions are like, they're annoying because you just feel like, God, you changed that, you changed it in the worst way possible. The King James version feels more like we are in the time of the black plague.

Yes. Yes. Some flickering candles and like. That goes so well with that last day. It's the best. Absolutely. So this is Corinthian 13. Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels and have not charity, I am becoming

as sounding brass or a tinkling symbol. And though I have the gift of prophecy and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith so that I could remove mountains and have not charity, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned and have not charity, it profiteth me not. Charity suffereth long and is kind. Now.

Okay. Now here's the thing. Charity in the King James version is love. It's love. So let me go back and read this again. I'm going to do mine. I'm just going to go against what I just said. Fuck you, King James.

You cunts. It's love, not charity, bitch. Get that fucking rat out of your hair, you old bitty little piece of shit. So it really goes like this, and though I have the gift of prophecy and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith so that I could remove mountains and I have not love, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned and I have not love, it profiteth me nothing.

Love suffereth long and is kind. Love envies not. Love vaunteth not itself is not puffed up. Love does not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, and thinketh of no evil. Rejoiceeth not in inequity, but rejoices in the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails, but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail.

Whether there be tongues, they shall cease. Whether they be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know only in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. When I was a child, I spoke as a child. I understood as a child, I thought as a child. But when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now, we see through a glass darkly, but then face to face.

Now I know in part, but then shall I know, even as also I am known. It's amazing. Yeah. So cool! Yeah. So that's it, you know, we, wherever you're like turning your gaze, it's like looking at like a scrying mirror, I guess you could say. It's like looking at like a dark reflective surface.

And you want to know it's really fucking crazy, man. Every time you look at your phone with a power turned off, you're looking into a mirror darkly. You're looking into like a dark mirror. And that's what that verse, that's what black mirror comes from that verse. Totally. And so when we look at technology, which is what a lot of us are fixated on right now, we are seeing a manifestation of Krishna. Only we're seeing it through this like cloudy, diffused, and ultimately faulty perception.

And so we, but in yet still there's the experience of awe. Yeah, totally. Even through the dirt, you're still going to get the essence of love. And I think that earlier in that verse, it, it's that's Vedantic, you know, in its truest form, because first you start with the mantras and the deities and the symbols, but eventually even that passes off, you know, you discard that and then you just go full Brahma, you know, the full just effulgence of the universe, the light, you're just with the light, but you need to train yourself through the use of deity, puja, mantra, yoga, breathing, all

these things that you bet you're, that's the work. That's the sudden to get to a point where you're able to realize your true self. And I think that it's kind of cool about the yoga because it, you can start with your phone. Totally. You don't have to go to the temple. You can just start by understanding like your phone is way, way, way downstream, right? Way downstream.

Simultaneously, nothing's downstream, but the manifestation itself is way downstream. Your technology is way downstream. You're, you're, you're like joy for, for fucking, if you're like a fuck person, a lot of people find it through a fuck boy, a fuck boy, is what I'm saying now. So if you're like a fuck person, I say, I say person because I think, you know, anyone can be really into sex and like, that's one of the ways people worship God and they don't know that they're worshiping God, but you, you, or maybe they do, I don't know, but that's, you can keep going.

So you can like end up being like, okay, okay, okay. When I'm coming, oh man, I did that feeling is just so perfect. And then it like dissipates. Actually, sometimes I do think that like, I mean, this is really esoteric and out there and people who aren't like hard Christians are going to be like, what are you talking about? Don't get, but Vrindavan is where Krishna comes from. And sometimes I think orgasm is what it feels like to breathe there or something.

And it's like, we get this one little memory of it here and there, like an orgasm is a memory of God and it just dissipates or orgasm is the feeling of being in the presence of the divine and then it dissipates or something like that. Oh yeah, definitely. It's, you know, all the sense pleasures, I believe are aspects of the divine. It's just the temporary aspects of the divine where when you could have the full, you know, the full light, the full love, the full relationship with the divine and as opposed to like these just hints of it, you know, just these like little, little crumbs, why, why not have the

whole cake instead? We're like picking crumbs, these orgasm here, nap over here, you know, like a television show over here, you know, new record over here, you know, like when you could have the whole thing all the time, full on full power, you know, because we don't, we don't want it. Right. Like that's kind of the story. Right.

It's like, no, I can only right now. This is why I was thinking like if I had to pick between God being like being in the presence of God, like in the Bhagavad Gita and Krishna turns into the universal form when it looks in into his mouth or, you know, and it sucks. It's like, you know, it's so he begs them to stop, please, you know, don't do that. So it's like, okay, this is, this is a far out podcast, but okay, so an advanced super advanced benevolent intelligent, but a super super advanced benevolent intelligence makes the decision to begin to communicate with some species specifically you.

Right. First of all, it's like we, the way we picture it, UFO lands, door opens up, guy in a silver fucking jumpsuit comes out and says, take me to your leader because we assume this advanced alien species is just going to like, and it's always on two legs with two arms, but it's like, no, in the mythology of Krishna, Krishna splits himself into 108 different versions of himself to connect with the gopis as the story goes. Yeah, the Rasulila. The Rasulila.

So this advanced intelligence, when it comes to earth, the way it communicates is not by landing in a ship, but it literally is having a conversation with every single person on the planet right now. And so the way it's having the conversation is by coming to you in the form of the thing that you love the most, whatever it may be. Totally. And so if I had to like have this conversation, I would much like I was petting my dogs the other day and I was thinking, this is God being merciful to me and coming to me in this

form of like, yeah, I'm completely dependent on you. I love you no matter what you do. And I met your mercy completely. And I was thinking, oh, that's probably how God comes to people. Not as some kind of, not like in a golden chariot with spinning wheels, but in like the way it feels when you're, when your dog like nuzzles your ear. 100%, like it doesn't have to be an intense experience. It doesn't have to be Ezekiel.

You know, it can be, you know, like, what a, what a beautiful. Gift to be able to have something that loves you unconditionally and you're serving it like it can't exist without you. You have to feed it. You have to walk it. You have to care for it. What, I mean, what a beautiful way of, what a beautiful expression of love a dog could be for someone, you know.

And, but this is also part of the, um, uh, vice-naiva mythology, right? Because Krishna, one of the ways Krishna will come to you as your baby, right? That's the idea. Or a peacock or whatever, you know, there's so many ways, not just Krishna, but any of the, any of the forms of the divine will come to you in so many beautiful, mysterious, magical ways. And we're experiencing it every day, but we're kind of shut off to it. You know, if, if you kind of start paying attention to it and like start maybe looking

for it a little bit more, you'll find the magic is there, man. It's there. It's presenting itself to you all the time. Everyone has a guru. I don't care who it is. Everyone's got a guru in their life. They just don't haven't met them yet. Or maybe they haven't just didn't know.

Well it's camouflaging. Yeah. You know, like the hunter wears the camouflage to look like the forest. The way God, God wears the camouflage of love. So when anything that you love, whatever it, whatever it may be, even if it's something that the world might see as depraved, the root essence of the thing is that, that, I mean, real love. I'm not talking like, you know, itchy fucking, like, you know, itching a fucking scab, a

bloody like poison ivy scab or something. You know what I'm talking about? I'm talking about like, you know, that's just the station. Yeah. No, you're talking about love, like a true heart opening. Oh, that thing, you don't have to really look much further than that. That's it. And I think that's what one of my favorite things about Bakhti Yoga is that it really

isn't, it's saying, no, no, no, this is, it's here with you now, right now. Every single person you're hanging out with a super advanced alien, for lack of better words, it's better than saying God. Maybe not though. Not for you and I, but a lot of people do have a hard time with the word God, you know, it's a loaded term for a lot of people. It never has been for me. I don't mind saying it.

I don't mind saying it. I like saying it. I love saying it. Yeah. But more and more, I like, and people do oppose you on it and so weird because like, do you get mad if you say Michael Jordan or do you get mad if you say, you know, like anything, like, you hear people praising things all the time, you know, like praising music, praising presidents, praising, you know, they're praising their, their houses, their cars, everything,

but you can't praise. Yeah, I can't praise God, you know. No, because like, no, because the thing is, like people think, well, there is no God. There's just all these little individual things that I love. There certainly isn't, you know, like there's just a little broken up little pieces of things that I love, but there's no God and they don't realize, like, oh yeah, because you you human, because humans are so funny, we want the thing to look like what we expect it to look like.

Sure. That's one of the number one hilarious things humans do. It's like right in front of you all the time, right there, but because it doesn't look the way you thought it would look. It's not wearing a silver jumpsuit. It doesn't have a beard like Jesus. It's not walking on water. It's whatever your version of the way you think the thing might be.

It's just you got your dogs and your family and your Xbox and your job that you like or the place you like to go walking. All sponsored by God. Yes. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

For me, I just know that anything in my life couldn't have existed by not the grace of the divine. And that's all I have to say about it. It's not if I believe in God or if I don't believe in God. I trust in my heart that the divine has been with me my entire life and will continue to be with me. But I mean, you take it to a different level. I mean, you have a guru.

You travel around, you've traveled around the planet looking or finding or being, what would you say? I would say they're like pilgrimages, I make pilgrimage to holy places around the world. And even doing that, I've had saints tell me, just call home. Whatever you're looking for is at home too. But I'm interested. My curiosity also brings me to those places, not only my heart. I'll hear about this amazing place and I want to go to it.

So part of it's out of my own curiosity and my own kind of egoic things as well. But that being said, I do know that it's helped me to go to these pilgrimages to put things in perspective and I've had amazing experiences, you know, going to these places. When you go on these pilgrimages, do you feel like you've made the decision to go on these pilgrimages or do you feel like you're being drawn into something? 100% without sounding too foofy about it, I've been drawn every time. And like it's every single time it's been such an arrangement that it's not the same as the arrangements I have in my daily instantaneous interactions with people.

It's like, oh, we were waiting for you here. Oh, we're here. Hi, you know, we've been expecting you and just like open door policy everywhere I've gone. A few times I've been shut out of some things where I thought I was going to be, but that's all part of it as well. That's part of learning, you know, and also the humbling and the breaking down of the ego and stuff like that.

But yeah, I feel like I've been drawn to many of these places. Can you give an example? Okay, I'll tell you the story about how I received my spiritual name and that was kind of a very serendipitous experience. So there's a little bit of a backstory to it. Just the place where I was traveling to, I was with my teacher and we were traveling for about three weeks together and we were visiting many saints and places where saints were buried, their Samadhis, because they give off energy as well.

And the final... This is in India. This is in India. Yeah. It's in the South Indian Tamil Nadu. So our final destination was our Guru, our Sadguru's tomb, you know, he wanted to bring me there. But on the way we stopped at a place called Palani and the story with Palani was there

was a Siddhar, a Siddhar is someone who's perfected all his, he's mastered all the powers. They're these like kind of supernatural beings. Right. There was one who was named Bogar and Bogar was, he lived for thousands of years. Some people consider him to be Laosu in China. Some people consider him to be Ketikadal in Mexico. And he was Bogar in India, same force, different bodies, you know. So he was living on a mountain top and he created a deity of Moragon whose Shiva's other

son Ganesha's one son, Moragon is another one. And he built... Never heard of Moragon. Kartikeya. That's another name for him. And the Gita Krishna says of the warriors, I'm Kartikeya because he's the god of war. But so Kartikeya, so there's a whole story about how Moragon went to the South and Ganesh went to the North.

It's a whole other story. Did they get along? They did. So I'll start with this story. It will lead into the next story. Hopefully it won't be too long-winded. So Shiva and Parvati offered the two sons, Moragon and Ganesh a golden mango. And the riddle or the challenge was who could go around the universe three times.

So Ganesh takes off one way on his rat, you know, like one mile an hour. And then Moragon, who rides a peacock, goes out in the other way and he's fighting demons. He takes off and Ganesh gets like a hundred feet and then turns around and just rides the mouse around. Shiva and Parvati three times and said, you are my universe. And they give him the golden mango. Moragon comes back, you know, a hundred years later and Ganesh has the golden mango and he's mad.

You know, they tell him, you know, you know, Ganesh said, you know, you are my universe. You are my world. There's nothing else. You went out on your adventure. So he got angry. So he went to the south. He took off and started his own thing down in the south. It's can't enable.

Yeah, totally. And that's how they say the Tamil language started through Moragon because he wouldn't even speak the language of his parents anymore. Wow. So this is just like the inevitable rift in brothers that gets spoken about in all mythologies. It's almost like it's weird. It's like it points to some weird bifurcation that happened and totally. Yeah.

But it also it's showing the different essences of the loving child too, because he does eventually forgives his parents and establishes Dharma in the south, you know, through Shiva. So Moragon is like he's the he's worshiped by many in South India. He's kind of as people would worship Ganesh in the north. He's worshiped in the south. So Bogar made the statue of Moragon out of nine different poisons and was worshiping it on this mountain. And he had a student in his name, one student, one single student at the time, and his name

was Pulupani. And Pulupani means he rides a tiger. So Pulupani would ride a tiger around. And Bogar had promised him liberation, you know, when he was ready to leave the planet, he would liberate Pulupani. And then when he was about ready to go, he said, no, it's important that you stay here and maintain this idol, you know, of Moragon, because many people are going to benefit from it.

So he went into a cave and Pulupani sealed up the cave, put the statue on top of it, and then it built this temple around it. And ten generations of Pulupanis have now maintained this one statue. And the guru who gave me my name was the tenth one, the tenth Pulupani. And he knew my teacher. He had met him once before and we went to a small program that he had in his ashram. And he asked my, he's like asking my teacher what his name was again. He didn't remember.

And he asked another friend that was with us and he asked me and I was like, oh, my name is Robert. You need a Tamil name, Shivanesh. And I was like, I wasn't expecting to get a name. I just met him. I wasn't expecting to get a name from him. But then my teacher was like, no, listen, you got this spiritual name from this lineage in front of the Samadhis of all the nine other Pulupanis.

And the brother took us up to the idol the next morning and we were able to go in the temple alone and he did puja for us in front of the idol, you know. And in at the, what would be the cave mouth where he was, where Bogar was sealed up. And apparently about 500 years ago they opened it up and he's still in there in the lotus position. Nails have grown like three feet long as hair has grown, but he's still in there. He's not dead. He's still in there.

That is one of the, that belief is wild, right? That certain enlightened beings go into caves. They've transcended death. You know? That's what a Siddharth does. He's perfected everything. So he's, you know, he can't even die. So this, when did this happen to you?

This happened last year. I've been traveling to India for about nine years prior to that, but this was my last trip. So I, again, I wasn't like, huh, I wonder, did I just get initiated or what's going on in my teacher who would be the one who would normally be initiating me was like, no, this is a very auspicious occasion. You should, you should take that name. And he started introducing me to everybody.

Sheva Nesh. He was like, this is, uh, his name was Robert. He's from New Jersey. Now he's Sheva Nesh. You know? And he, you know, he had a huge smile on his, on his face when he would say that. So I knew it meant a lot to him that that had happened and he was there for it as well. Talk a little bit about this idea of like taking a new name because I think for some

people they hear it and they're like, come on, really, like you're going to get a new name. But it seems like it's such a psychologically powerful thing that you can do because it gives you a chance to like so much of your personalities attached to your name. Yeah. Your name. And, uh, it's kind of giving you a clean slate and it's also again, like I use that, the name Sheva Nesh in my spiritual circles and, you know, in my sangha and, you know,

I'm starting to use it more and more with people if I'll introduce myself, but I have clients. I'm a tattoo artist. So, um, they know me as Robert and I don't mind being either one of those people, you know, but as well, it did change my life in a way where I got serious. I started to get more serious about my practice. I got, this is a name that I'm going to have to honor and to be given that name by such a powerful lineage, through a powerful lineage from a powerful person, you know, it's something

I'm going to have to live up to now. So. When you feel like you are pulled to that place. 100%. Why, why else? Who else got a name that day? Maybe a hundred people did out, but I didn't see anybody else and, um, yeah, it was, it was definitely a meaningful experience.

See, that's the other thing that I love about, uh, this particular way of thinking is that, you know, the story of the Rasulila is they hear Krishna's flute playing out in the, in the forest and they go running towards Krishna and it's a fun, you know, all of these things are just like tools because you could ask yourself, well, what have I heard? Have I heard that flute? Have I heard it? No matter who you are out there, you've heard it and you don't realize that you're being drawn into a thing.

You're still tricking yourself into thinking that you're the one in control because this is what humans want to think, right? We want to believe we're in control. We're the doer. That's the, the famous, the doer and the, if, you know, those who believe that they are the doer, you know, how deluded they are, you know? Yeah. For me, the more, the closer I get to this path or the more this path opens up for me

and I do feel that I'm very young on the path in this lifetime, um, none of it seems by my arrangement. You know, I had to work at things and manifest these things in my life, but it was all made available to me. It's a really fun way to give yourself a little bit of a break to stop giving yourself this idea that you're like the one who's like, uh, navigating. This is like what I said on the last podcast and I keep thinking about it as the hilarity of that ridiculous saying, God is my co-pilot, absolutely human a thing that is to say.

Yeah, put him in the pilot seat. What are you doing? Why am I driving when God's next to me? It's a really funny, it's a really, I just like to imagine how that happened where you're like about to get in a car with God and you're like, I'll drive. Move over. You know, no offense. I know you created the universe where you're a shitty driver.

I don't like the way you drive too fast. I get car sickness. Um, yeah, yeah, it's really funny and also imagine like Job, like imagine if he thought he was responsible for all that, you know, like, you know, like, yeah, that on the bad things too, sometimes the bad things that happen are maybe not, it's your karma, but maybe not because you didn't do something that you thought you might have done better or something like that, you know. And this brings us into the ideas like, well, what's true for the individual is true for

the whole. And if we're all being drawn into something as individuals, then together as a species we're being pulled into something. And this is where you get into like, Théliard Deschardaux and the idea of the Omega point, right? Totally. Yeah, yeah. So it's like the concept of like, oh, in the same way you were drawn to the sacred place

to be given a new name, collectively, our entire species is in the process of being drawn into a new place together to be given a new name, to become some new thing that is, that we can't even imagine what that might be. Yeah, we're all members of the academy, whether we like it or not, you know, and we're all getting our asses slapped and wiped and pushed into it. And then, yeah, it's really intense. And I was reading this morning, Ramana Maharshi, he was saying the best way to, you know, help the planet is by helping yourself and like, beaming that light out to people.

That's the only way you can really help people. And this reminds me of something that we spoke about earlier where you said, if you make your way, if you're sitting in a place to do an ayahuasca ceremony, then you're ready to be there. Yeah. Nothing that shouldn't happen, nothing that isn't predestined to happen doesn't happen or vice versa. You know, like, if it's not supposed to happen, it's not going to happen.

If it's supposed to happen, it's going to happen whether you like it or not. And this is one of the lenses, I think, where people, if you're starting, if you feel disempowered, useless, worthless, horrible, like meaningless, if you apply that same thing you're saying to the ayahuasca ceremony, to the great ayahuasca ceremony, which is human incarnation, just the fact that you're here means you're incredible, that you've come into this body and that you're in this dimension in the human form. Wow. You're fucking amazing.

You're amazing that you're here. That's the other side of it, right? Yeah. Thank you so much for saying that because I was thinking about this earlier. Like, yeah, it's what a gift to be able to take a human incarnation. And to take a human incarnation and start to wonder or quest after the divine is even a bigger blessing, you know? And like, the blessings start expanding further and further, deeper and deeper you go, but

it starts with that thing being born as a human. What a great chance to do whatever you, you know, like, you can do anything, anything is possible, you know? You're on the tractor beam. Yeah. And as a human, you're being pulled into this thing that we're all getting pulled into. We're all floating into a UFO together. It's just this particular alien that we've all been drawn into is so incredibly powerful

that whenever it looks on something, the thing comes to life and not only does it come to life, but it actually begins to evolve and it moves closer and closer towards perfection. That's the idea. We're not getting pulled into a UFO. We're getting drawn into perfection. That's the concept, right? We're being drawn into a perfect state of unification with the most incredibly neverending beauty that has, well, you can't say has ever existed.

It's always been, but it's evolving too. Yeah, humanhood. Yeah. So cool. So cool. Yeah. Yeah. See, it got that.

Yeah. So fucking hands and arms and legs or some combo or maybe none of them, but you got a torso or a head or whatever the hell you are, even if you're a head on a gelatinous membrane, you're doing great, man. You're in. You're in. Don't worry. You're in.

Yeah. I noticed people also project their sorrows onto other humans when maybe those people are fine. When you see someone maybe eating food out of a garbage can or like you said, with no legs or no arms, they might be having the most beautiful, genuine experience ever. They could be connecting on a way and you see that a lot in India. You see people that are suffering so hard, born into lower cast, but still having ecstatic spiritual experiences and transcending the body, transcending the cast, transcending

the condition. Dude, I remember when I was in New Delhi, there's a shop that I've been walking by and really like sweet guys worked at the shop, but there was the sunset, it's nighttime. And I realized where they slept, they had a thing they pulled down with their beds on it with a little shelter on it right in front of their shop outside. That's where they slept. Outside of their living room is the muddy streets of New Delhi in front of their shop. And I remember walking by and they were sitting there with each other, laughing and talking

and they were so happy, so happy. And like a happiness where you look at it and you're like, I'll never be that happy. I'll never be as happy as these two guys who sleep in front of their shop in New Delhi. So yeah, for sure, man, it's like, you're in, you did it, you won the lot, you're in. Yeah, totally. I think a lot of what freaks people out is they think they're not in. Yeah. You know, they think they haven't, they're not in yet.

It's like you're in, you made it, you're in the Illuminati, you did it, you're in the Bohemian Grove, you're in the Inner Sanctum, you're in the Inner Circle, all of you, every single one of us, congrats, you did it. You're being inhaled, you're being snorted by the divine. Totally, yeah, yeah, and you're under heaven's heel, every one of us, you know, we're, you know, we're in the mouth of Kali, you know, as we're in time where we are, you know, as we're living, we're degrading, as we're, as we're moving, we're decaying, but we're still, we're all part of it.

And the possibilities, man, you've seen the human potential is amazing, amazing. It's better to be burned as a little bit of soul calorie and the digestive system of a never-ending, ever-accelerating super-intelligence, even if the process might seem a little grim. As you look down, as you look down, when you're looking at yourself in the mirror, just think to yourself, don't worry, you're being digested by a God, and you're going to become the energetic part of a God, you are already, or all Gods or all things. You know, I think we've got to wrap it up for two reasons. One, I think we've said it, and two, they're doing serious work.

It sounds like there's a chainsaw down there or something, so it's distracting. You've got to come back on the show, man. I'd love to, anytime. It would be my honor, I really enjoyed it. Thank you. How can people find you? I think the best way is Instagram, because it's the easiest one to update. I haven't updated my website in years, so it's Robert Ryan 323 on Instagram, and you

can just get ahold of me there. If you need to reach out to me, you can maybe send me a message there. It's got my email right on the thing, that's the easy way to find me. Can you come to the next show on the 15th of August? Yeah, I'm planning on it, yeah, definitely. And you'll be oming, so you can come say hi to Emmett on August 15th too. Thank you so much. Let's om together.

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I'll see you in a few days. We've got another podcast coming out this week with Ethan Nickturn. Thanks for listening. Hare Krishna. Here's Robert doing another prayer. Om Vaktral Tondaya Namaha Om Yekadantaya Namaha Om Lambodaraaya Namaha Om Hedyambaya Namaha Om Skandagrajaya Namaha Om Sri Ganeshaya Namaha Om Sri Ganeshaya Namaha Om Sri Ganeshaya Namaha That was better. Thanks.

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