Duncan Trussell Family Hour - Talking Stones with Danielle Bolleli

Episode Date: September 13, 2014

The great taoist philosopher Danielle Bolleli returns to the DTFH.

Ghost Towns. Dirty Angel. Out. Now. You can get Dirty Angel anywhere you get your music. Ghost Towns. Dirty Angel. Out. Now. New album and tour date coming this summer. You done goofed, God. You've convinced yourself you're a human again. You think that your name is something that can be uttered through the end of the feeding tube you use to chew up hamburgers. You're trapped. You're in a gravity well. You forgot it was a dream.

And now you're taking everything seriously. You don't realize that you're like the prodigal son. Wandering through the great wilderness having forgotten that your birthright is not lacking limitation, but is in fact the storehouses of heaven. You're an angel that passed out from drinking too much. Or you're like a high powered businessman or woman who like all high powered businessmen and women from time to time like to drive down to Culver City and get the shit spanked out of them by a dominatrix. That's you, God.

And the great S&M dungeon we call Planet Earth. Enjoying the experience of not having to control everything for once. As the great dominatrix of life inserts her high heel deep into your immortal rectum. But when you're tired of it you can always leave the dungeon. Just don't forget. How are you going to enjoy being in a dungeon if you think you can never leave? That's the secret message in all religions. That we're all God getting the shit kicked out of us by a very talented dominatrix we call Mother Earth. I just want to remind you as the weekend approaches that you've got a terrible case of universal amnesia

and whenever you're ready to have that dark lady's fist removed from your aching asshole, she'll do it. All you got to do is say please. It'll happen. Trust me. You're going to wake up to your true identity eventually but you don't have to do it until you're ready. That's the whole point. Enjoy the flogging. And when you're ready, towel yourself off, give Mother Earth a nice tip and head back to your cosmic skyscraper and start creating infinity again. Because it's fun. This is Duncan Trussell and you God are listening to the Duncan Trussell Family Hour Podcast

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I don't believe in kings. I don't believe in Elvis. I don't believe in Zimmerman. I don't believe in Beatles. I just believe in me. I just believe in me. Yoga on me. That's reality.

Dream is over. What can I say? The dream is over. Yes, David. I was the dream we've had. From now on I'm not born. I was the warmest. But now I'm young.

And there's some difference. We'll just have to carry on. The dream is over. God, I love that song. And boy, do we have an amazing podcast today with Danielli Bollelli. But first, very quick business. Guys, did you know that our t-shirts are back in stock?

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Go check out those dates. Come see a live podcast. Say hello. Okay, now that truly is it. Everyone, please welcome back to the Dunkin' Trussell Family Hour podcast. The beloved philosopher, Danieli Bolleli,

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lectures on Taoism. Or you can get some of his awesome shirts. Definitely go check out his podcast. Also, why not read one of his numerous awesome books? Like How to Create Your Own Religion,

or The Warrior's Path. Check it out. I'll have all those links up at dunkintrussell.com. Now everybody, please expand and explode the part of you that is the infinite love field and send that like a lightning bolt straight from the lips of God

right into Danieli Bolleli's right nipple. That thing needs a big fat French kiss by the Supreme. Let him feel it guys. Welcome to the Dunkin' Trussell Family Hour podcast, Danieli Bolleli. Mr. Bolleli,

welcome back to the Dunkin' Trussell Family Hour podcast. It's been how long has it been? A while. I don't even remember. It's been a while. You left the country. I did. Five weeks in Italy. That was glorious. What do you do when you go out there?

Lay on the sand and stare at the sun. No, I went to the mountains. Mountains was awesome. I was up in the Dolomite mountains. I lived here because I grew up in Italy and yet there are so many places that I don't know right around the corner.

It's a trip. You go one place and then you go 10 miles away and it's completely different. It's like visiting another country or something. You really have to walk every step of the way you find something different. I love it.

Isn't that wild when you realize that the universe that you thought you were existing in is actually just a tiny little fraction of the places you've been your entire life. It can be like that. You've been your entire life and you just had no idea that there was

a huge expanse close to your house or that there was a meditation group you'd never heard of or that the history of the place you never knew. I know. It's a trip. There was just down the street from my dad's house. There was this church which, you know, churches are not exactly my typical hangout spot

but I walked in for the hell of it. It was like the most psychedelic thing I've ever seen. It was beautiful. You could sit in there and just trip out. I can only imagine what it would be like on mushrooms because it was the intricacy of the art

and the stuff on the ceiling was amazing. I don't need to care about the Catholic Church to appreciate that that was an insanely beautiful place. Yeah, that's right. People forget that. That's another example of just shutting down,

closing off and mostly it's probably out of fear because it's very difficult to accept the idea that beauty emerges everywhere, all over the planet and that your resistance is actually the thing that's hiding it, not whatever the specific modality

of the institution that's exhibiting the beauty. No, totally. Because it's funny, you know, you know me about religion and yet pretty much every other day as I would take a walk in Milan, I would just stop in the church, spend 10 minutes there, sit down, kind of like unwind and I was

very thankful for that and you can just walk into your thing, nobody's bothering you. It's very quiet, it's silent, it's beautiful and then you walk out. How old is the church? You know, I don't even remember that one. Italy is funny that way because it's like, oh, this is a relatively new building.

It's only from 250 years ago. Well, that's something really interesting about cathedrals and churches. I'm sure you know about this. How in the stonework are symbols that have nothing to do with Christianity but have been placed there by people

who are following a much older religion. You've heard of that? Of course. That's one of the things that's interesting about religions is that even though different religions may absolutely hate each other, they tend to all recognize some power spots, which is why

when somebody come in and conquer the previous group, they raise their temple and put their own temple right in the same spot because the idea is part of it is a statement of domination, but part of it is a statement of, well, there's power in that place and we

want to tap into it. So you guys were tapping into it for your own weird stuff, but the power is there. It's an energy. It's kind of like, you know, like the cathedrals in Mexico City are right above the Aztec temple where you, even like stuff

that look like secular and it really isn't like Mount Rushmore, they, is it a trip that they blast these mountains to put the faces of precedents in this iconic American sculpture where in the spot there was a Lakota sacred land

where these guys acknowledge it as their sacred mountains and so on and so forth. Wow. And in a way it's like you're appropriating the sacred that's there. You all have different ones. They all acknowledge that the sacred is there and then each one wanted to put their own thing on top.

It makes sense because if you look at every single other form of energy in the world, there's certain areas where there's more types of energy than other types of energy. Yeah, absolutely. A lake, there's more water. When you're in a forest, there's more trees.

When, so yeah, the earth does have varying degrees of ways of expressing itself energetically. So it would make sense that there is a more ethereal, ephemeral, mana type energy that

people who are tuned in can feel and know that those are places to construct these temples. I remember a couple of times I did road trips from California to South Dakota. So you know, you travel through a hell of a lot of forest, right? You go through Montana

and you go through all these places where amazing, beautiful, natural places. And I remember getting to the Black Hills in South Dakota and objectively they don't look any different. You know, they are nice trees, big mountain, cool, whatever. I've seen it every step of the way between here and California

and yet the energy is different. It's like, wow, I can see why people say this is sacred. And if somebody asks you why, you can't really put your finger on it because there's nothing that screams, you know, it's not more visually beautiful, it's not

more anything. You know, you don't see it but you feel it. And that to me is a trip. And this is what they call a vortex. This is when you hear the term there's vortexes in Sedona or when you if you've ever, I know of a place where I used to be

very skeptical about vortexes. But there is a place that I know of which is the hippies who are there call it an amplification vortex. It's not a some places it's like a positivity vortex

where there's this sacred sense of a kind of loving presence. Some places it's a negativity vortex where you just it's like that feeling where you go to a place and you think this place isn't right or what they call a cursed land. But some places

are just it's an amplifier. So if you go there, you have to actually modulate your doses of psychedelics based on that knowledge that it will amplify whatever energy that you're putting

out. And if you if you ignore that, then you end up getting you'll end up taking what would be a regular dose of mushrooms. And it feels like you've taken five times that amount because it's doing something to amplify the experience. So I do believe that these

places exist. Yeah, I mean to me it's not even a matter of believe it's like you feel it right is what you said, even in forget even places, even if you walk into somebody's house, you see it for walls, decoration art, whatever, but one place that looks pretty much like

the next gives you the creeps and the other one feels awesome and you feel happy in that house, you know, and it's like there's nothing in the walls that's telling you this is a cooler place than the next. I mean some places, yeah, but a lot of cases is not like that, right? It's like they're objectively you look at it and it's like

this looks like a nice home, so why do I feel like I want to slaughter a puppy right now? You know why do I get bad images in my head? Right. And it's like let's get out of this place. It's time to let's save the puppy and skip this place. Maybe the puppy

sucks. Yeah, maybe that's always a possibility. The energy, the shifts in energy that exist on the planet, there are people who claim to be able to tune into that and they get work doing that. These are people who use

dowsing rods or people who tell people good places to build and bad places to build. It sounds insane when you hear it but look at a bird. How does a bird decide where to nest? How does an animal decide where to create a den to hibernate

for the winter? They have places they like to go and places they don't like to go. Something's moving them in that direction. In the same way that birds, when they migrate, it's some kind of magnetic resonance inside their little brains. So it makes

sense that humans also have the same capacity to understand or to feel energy fields that maybe haven't quite been picked up on by science yet. Absolutely. I mean there's so much that we don't know and don't understand that to me this is not

super natural. It's perfectly natural. It's just that we haven't figured out how to explain it yet. That's right. Yeah. Nothing crazy. It's life. It's nature. It's what it is. It's like to me even the fact that when we meet people, most people silence that voice but everybody

has that thing that makes them drone to somebody and make them recoil away from somebody else. Again, not based on purely rational factors. Based on an energy that you pick up. That's right. Now that's a tricky one though because so many times

I have been in a bad mood and gotten around somebody that I've met for the first time and then decided I'm getting a bad vibe from that person. Because you are projecting. You know, I'm the one with the poopy diaper and I'm thinking that there

because I can't see the poop in my own diaper I think oh god they've really shit themselves. They're disgusting people and then I quickly realized that that's the filter that I'm putting on my own identity and that I'm looking out through. So how much of that

it's a tricky place when you start getting into sensing energetic fields because you really do have to be adept enough to determine how much of the way a place feels is the place itself and how much is the energy that you're transmitting. You're making shit up, absolutely.

And part of that is you really boil down to building a track record. If you realize that time and time again maybe you, I don't know you meet somebody and you're like that person has whatever that may be and you talk to somebody who knows them very well

and you're like fuck that's exactly right that's exactly what's going on with that person and you're like oh I am picking up stuff if you do that on a fairly on a regular basis then you're like okay I'm usually there's always the time when you may be off but usually I'm not projecting too much crap

my exception to that rule is hot women you know I'm usually pretty damn good when it comes to picking up things from people even fairly I mean very specific stuff sometimes like you know I'll see one guy and I'm like

nice guy but man he drinks too much and the person next to me just goes blank like how the hell do you know that I'm like I don't know I'm making shit up but that's what I feel when I'm around that guy but then hot women who hold different stories because suddenly I'm like she's really sweet

and nice human being I just want to get to know her more and you know my radar goes completely off the charts because suddenly it's like I want some of that which means that once won't come seeing your perceptions go to hell you don't feel anything anymore

you're making shit up can't you go underneath the want though can't you just identify that part of your psyche is just being the mating impulse and then sort of go even go underneath that and be like oh okay I see this is the part of

me that this is the genetic or deep part of me that wants to reproduce and then you go under it because you know I think that's like one of these like sad burdens that really attractive people have that they can't really complain

about because people will be like yeah poor you but I think it must suck to be like a super attractive woman because you end up meeting bullellies and you have to start trying to do the filter yourself

which is like how much of him likes me as who I am and how much of him is just trying to fuck me and that sucks doesn't it because when I'm around you I don't there's no part of me that's like you're my friend because you want to fuck me right man oh man I hit it so well

I can't believe I pulled that off that was great but that's a shitty thing I think that people have to go through you know it's like that would be so that could put you in a really like paranoid world most of the time I'm okay with it because I'm not so starved

for sex that I'm like suddenly I stop really looking at things for what they are and I'm just projecting but then you know there's always the time like there's a bunch of times when I see some women that are objectively super hot but I don't even like them physically right because the vibe I'm

picking up is so like sure that yeah I mean I guess in some purely if what you look by objective standards of beauty you are hot but you're not really hot to me it doesn't speak to me there's nothing there there's no resonance

yeah it makes me feel gross just to think about it like I can't separate in that sense I think I'm more the stereotypical woman in that regard where I can't really separate the emotional who you are as a person from the pure physical I kind of have a hard

you think that's a feminine trait well that's the stereotype I don't know if it's a feminine trait or not but that's what people say well outside of gender I think you can it's weird how you can like take masculine and feminine and remove it from you know whatever this person's genitals are and like just say

well there are traits that are considered to be masculine and there are traits that are considered to be feminine and those don't have to do with the person's meat body is looking like which is a weird thing because in nature you know this must be endowism endowism aren't there sort of

attribute like certain places are attributed to be the yin certain places are the yin one is masculine one is feminine can you talk about that a little bit of course yeah the whole yin young business is many people misunderstand it as good and evil assigning to duality

a qualitative difference not qualitative at all it's day and night is one good and one evil no they're just different energies right it's like hot and cold it's all relative it's not that one is neutral it's up top completely

it is what it is it's an energy and there's it's opposite and in that regard so they have the whole masculine and feminine hot and cold dark and light all of this difference as seen as completely complementary like they work with each other

and excess of any one thing is bad no matter what if you take anything too far it's not that it's bad in moral terms it's bad because you lose balance because you go so far one way and the structure of life is not based that way the structure of life is based on a constant mixing

of this opposite energy that are dancing back and forth and that's what's at the roots of all of life if you can figure out the timing of that dance you can flow it well if you don't figure out the timing of the dance you keep smacking your face against the wall because

again not because what you are there's anything good or bad about that particular amount of more assertive energy or more yielding energy is because you're using the wrong and or you're using a certain energy at the wrong time in the wrong context so in that sense there's no

wear a t-shirt in the winter right exactly it's like it's not evil it's just stupid you're gonna be called right exactly it's just but it's just the way things are built yep that's precisely how it is so I kind of like that because to me the whole duality that usually people have of you know heaven

and hell god and the devil that kind of thing there's always a fight between them the yin yang duality is more of a dance I mean to me the daoist symbol the yin yang is like a sexual symbol almost you have this yin and yang just grinding into each other

and just doing this is not explicitly sexual but it's pretty close and to me I see that more in life than the opposing view of duality now if that's not stretching my yin yanginess

I actually see both at play sometime there is also an element of good and evil in certain occasions which is also part of but not not taken to the extreme how it's typically done in most philosophy religions and so on where

everything is about drawing a line in the sand and you're either on one side or the other and that's how they decide what's good and what's evil to me most of it is situational it's like if you're raising kids right is it good to talk to your kids

and reason with them? of course it is but there's one kid on that one day that doesn't really respond to that and if in your head you have the idea that oh you should always talk to your kids and reason with them and never have a more assertive tone well that idea is sweet

but not this time this time with this one kid no you need to be a little more assertive if you think that being assertive and pushing kids a lot is the way to go you may be right some of the time and other times you're just an asshole and you need to tone it down and instead be much more mellow

and more is none of these things are right or wrong they're right or wrong in a context that context equals for a certain energy for that particular balance of any young you bring that forward great you go by a recipe

of how you think it's supposed to be in all situations well you'll get it right sometimes and you'll horrendously screw it up others what is the is there a term for being in tune with the Tao or being tuned into this sort of

to the tendency of things to work out instead of the tendency of things to become imbalanced I think one of the metaphors that they use the most is always this metaphor of water and so that ability to flow with the current in a way

that the term itself flow which we even use in almost ordinary language outside of Taoism you hear a lot about somebodies in a state of flow is like everything they do is right they are on and they are in touch with it all I had this metamistical experience intertubing up in

Zion National Park and I was floating in the intertube and it's beautiful up there and I was floating in the intertube going downstream and I realized that everything the river was doing was the exact

right calculation to move my intertube down the stream and if I just let go the intertube would just get around stuff in the moment we've thought this before but holy shit man

when you suddenly look at it and realize that river doesn't have a nervous system there's no brain it's not like Einstein it hasn't practiced a river is never practiced it just does it perfectly a river is exactly the right way

and that tendency we're almost all water anyway so we're made of the same perfect stuff when you just let it do what it does it's perfect

that same perfect tendency that's the thing if you start tuning into that instead of the micro or minutia moments that happen in any rivers excourse maybe there's a time where the river overflows its banks

or maybe the river is a little low maybe the river sometimes a beaver dams the thing up and it looks like it'll never flow again but it always ends up going even if it dries up completely there's always going to be the tendency in that place for a river to exist

because that's just where rivers go so tuning into that that sort of bigger picture instead of the little picture it really does alleviate some of the drama it comes from believing that this state that you're in will be permanent

absolutely that's the thing about Daoism and about life that nothing is permanent everything is in flux everything is in motion to me in fact I don't surf but the metaphor of surfing is perfect for life

because it's all about those tiny little adjustments that allow you to adapt yourself to the wave and not fall if you do it right you're less and you're constantly you're always slightly off balance you're a little too far to the right

a little too far to the left and you constantly tilt it back to adapt to the energy of the wave you know how to do that you know how to flow through life you don't know how to do that you become food for the fish which is also flowing through life

in a different kind of way well no that's the thing though you're always flowing through life and you start recognizing that here you are a kind of mutant river that for this little bit of time gets to wander around and be a person

then you understand that no matter what you're part of a perfect calculation that's unfolding and everything that it outputs is always perfect and always purely harmonious and purely resonant

and that includes your inevitable inevitable the inevitability that you're going to be some form of fish buffet of course that's why there's a flow a more universal way of looking at the flow kind of like what you're saying sort of the Ram Dass teacher

you know can't you see that everything is perfect type of approach and then there's the human flow which is I still have an ego I still like things to go well rather than not for me my view of what well is and I'm going to figure out how to flow within the boundary of my human ego

well that's what I like the Ram Dass perspective because that they don't say therefore go into some bliss bliss state and ignore the pain they say Maharaj would said he loved pain

because it showed him Larry was still stuck and that feeling that we call pain is actually quite often that the moment that the river of our lives gets trapped on some particular gets pushed up against some particular boundary or rock

or we begin to resist the way that the thing is flowing that's what we call pain or it's the river identifying itself with one piece of this totality and thinking this is all there is but it's when you start

having those human moments which are inevitable and constant and realize like here I am god damn it I thought I was this tiny little part of the river again I forgot not only am I an entire river I'm an ocean

I'm an entire universe for that one little fucking second man I was really really glued into that spec of temporariness that I've decided is my human life that's beautiful in itself the ability to switch back and forth

purely in your human ego driven self well you're missing out on the bigger aspects of life but if you're always up there you can't really live a human life as an individual either it's like there was an hilarious twitter exchange between Deepak Chopra and Rogan

oh great I didn't miss that Chopra wrote something he was long ago but I remember because he was so funny Chopra wrote this thing that was very you know I forget I'm paraphrasing but something along the lines of once you become enlightened once you become conscious

whatever that was all your problems shall disappear there shall be no more problems something like that Rogan replied well if you're enlightened by somebody kicks you in the balls you still got problems he was hilarious

he was like he was the perfect yin yang yin yang gets weeding to each other exactly it was perfect that beautiful back and forth aspect of it it really is so delightful to go into the dream

and out of the dream and into the dream and out of the dream but it's even more delightful when you start recognizing that it's not so much a circular pattern that's happening where the same drama patterns happen

and then the same awakened patterns happen but when you begin to realize there appears to be a kind of spiral happening which is that every time you come out of the dream it's a little better and every time you go into the dream it's a little better because you're evolving

and that is a I think one of the great gifts of being a human being is that you get to experience not just the cessation of suffering but when the suffering resumes the suffering has an entirely different flavor and as that

back and forth happens in a state of mindfulness the flavor you realize is becoming sweeter in the same way that grapes when they're fermenting transform into wine and I think that's the gift of spiritual practice yeah it's not designed to make you

I mean some people argue that and that's where I have a difference in it it's not designed to become something other than human to be completely removed from the human level and to live in this pure ethereal dimension up in the clouds to me the real mystical experience

is that the Zen approach it's like ordinary experience but one foot above just that little tweak in perception where you still can live in the ordinary world in three dimension in going out and grocery shopping

and taking care of business and all of that at the same time your perception of reality is just tweak that enough in the world but you also have access to a different way of looking at it that's more in tune with the stereotypical mystical experience again that to me is Yan Yang

which is taken too far the what people call mystical become escapist and remove from being able to keep your feet on the ground and what people call practical and being realistic is that completely

and lacking salt to some degree so again even that to me is a balance and the balance does not mean 50-50 a balance changes with each situation sometimes you go into one energy real deep but you always know your way back

you need to sometimes dedicate yourself 300% to that one thing you go into it you have this deep mystical experience you spend days, months, years whatever in one approach but you're also able to tilt back and bring it back to a place of balance

yeah exactly you don't want to be a junkie in any form and you don't want to be a it's so easy to from personal experience I can say that the easiest thing

to convince yourself that your cowardice is mysticism and that your fear based aloofness is some kind of form of renunciation of the world because

these little matters are of no importance to us because we are the universe yeah it's an easy trap to fall into and I've fallen into it before and when you come out of it it's really fun because you realize like oh god

the thing that I was avoiding was in fact my guru and the time that I thought I was spending with my guru or in a state of higher consciousness was me turning my back on the thing itself because it's the pain

and the suffering that is actually what skull... you know man I just heard this great I love going to record stores and buying going to the spirituality section they have all these great old records man a lot of cool yoga records you can find but one of these records is this guy

I don't know too much about him Ananda or something if you google search him and find out that he like drove limousines or had a I don't know a goddamn fleet of private jets filled with

drugged up nude hippies please don't get mad at me don't throw the baby out with the bath water it really is just something I found in a record store but he seems really smart and he told this wonderful story how

there's in this temple the idol there's this idol and in front of the idol there's this rock and the rock and the idol are having this conversation the rock says the idol what's going on here man we're made of the exact same thing and you're getting

milk poured on you every day perfume, fans people are bowing down to you what is going on, why are you getting all the attention I'm sitting here a lowly little rock and the idol says well you see you chose to be that

and the rock says what are you talking about and she's like well at one point you and I were both the same rock and the sculptor came and he and he began working on us he broke us into two pieces and

he started chiseling away at you first and the moment he started chiseling away at you you screamed in pain and the sculptor stopped thinking you were possessed by a demon and then began chipping away at me and I thought well there must be a reason that this sculptor

is chipping away at me so I waited and the sculptor uncovered within me this form of this deity which was always here the sculptor found it but it required a lot of blows of the hammer for me to get here and you avoided that

and so it's that you see in life to the moment the scary thing happens or the bad or whatever it is we run away from it and quite often we don't run away from it consciously we run away from it

in the direction of some form of meditation in the direction of chanting in the direction of listening to audio books about thinking oh no no no I'm not running away at all but really it's like no you just gotta face the fucking sculptor's hammer because

once all that impurity has been cleansed from you then you become an immobile imaginary deity that hypnotized people worship you don't want to take it too far speaking of rocks I'll tell you a funny story that I read there was this one anthropologist

that was tripping out visiting a Ujibwa guy like this tribe from sort of great lakes are North and US after Canada you know I don't get it you guys seem to think that everything is alive and that everything has a spirit

kind of the anthropologist said do rocks have spirits and this guy said well some do some do what does that mean you know how can you tell it's like well some rocks talk to me and some don't

of course why don't you know that that's so cool yeah well and this is the this is the question when you talk about an animistic universe

or if you've ever been to a Hare Krishna temple you should definitely go if you've never been especially go to the morning services they have them every morning right around 4am and I went to one in Italy believe it or not well I was in Italy I was

my daughter was you know of course there's the music and the clothing and the sounds on a sensual level there's so much that passes through your senses that they're such a big compared to that's why Catholicism to me is in some way not from

a theological standpoint but more attractive than protestant stuff because there's the incense and amazing churches the beautiful stuff not just some do talking it's juicy but yeah my daughter loved it she was like thought the Hare Krishna experience was so much fun it's amazing and

if you get yourself up early you're already going to be in a psychedelic state because who the fuck wants to wake up at 4am but if you manage to get up you know call it there's Hare Krishna temples everywhere I'm not recommending becoming a Hare Krishna I'm not and I don't like I'm not a fan of organized religion in any of its forms

it's a little too sticky for my taste but that doesn't mean that you can't go to a Hare Krishna temple and many people there probably don't like organized religion but if you go to a Hare Krishna temple very early in the morning you should try it sometime there's one in Culver City if somehow you manage to wrench yourself out of bed

I've only done this once I've only woken up at 4 in the morning maybe five times my life I try to avoid it if I can't but when you go there what you'll see is the

devotees sort of greeting the rising sun that's really what's happening is there chanting and expressing all forms of gratitude for the fact that a new day has emerged into the universe where they get to be at least in the process of falling in love with God

or the universe or whatever and these are rare people because they wake up at 4 in the morning every fucking morning who are these people what are they you're already around really interesting different beings than most people you encounter every day unless you work in some kind of job where you have to wake up

at 4 in the morning but you know that's a different game altogether anyway man when you see them looking at the deities because they in the Hare Krishna temples they have deities of Radha and Krishna, Jaitanya all the various elements of

Vaishnava Bhakti Yoga when you see them gazing at these things you see them looking at something like it's a person and then when you start looking at the deities depending on how open-minded you are

how stoned you are then you will begin to see like oh this is not quite just a statue and then the question that comes in your mind is well what am I witnessing here is it alive am I seeing a projection of the

consciousness of the devotees reflecting back from this inanimate object is it just a mirror for consciousness am I seeing a reflection of my own consciousness am I seeing possibly a reflection of the highest potential

in me being bounced off of these forms that super smart people manufactured because they represent an archetypical energy that exists inside of all people who the fuck knows but definitely sometimes rocks talk to you

not that, yep and I like it better when they talk to me rather than when they scream in demon posse fashion like the first time don't hit me with the hammer that's never particularly fun yeah, no and usually that doesn't happen

thank god unless you're like really, really high but I think that this is the component missing from the catholic church and from all varieties of yoga is the there's always a general rejection

of the intoxicated state not in all the time but a lot of the time at the base level when you run into people they'll always say hands down you would never come to this place under the effect of an intoxication you would never come to church on Sunday

stoned out of your mind you would never go to a temple having ingested some amount of psilocybin but there's a whole school of thought based around the idea that not only

should you do that but it is the way the stuff started in the first place and that component got lost or left out well I mean that's the thing why your organizer religions usually are not too fond of direct experience because once you experience something directly you yourself

you don't have to depend on a dogma you don't really have to depend on them in a way you're an individual who can join the community but you have your own individual experience that does not bode well for an organized religion that's why to me is like even the Jesus story

there's a story that I use all the time when I teach Native American classes where I when I do the Native American history course there's one thing that I bring up about that about the whole story of Jesus and how it's perceived from a shamanic context

there's 1800s 18 this one tribe and they tell them all about the gospel and this one guy is getting really into it so the missionaries are like cool you know we're making a convert this is working and by the time they are done the guy just look at them and say I like Jesus he's just like my grandpa

and they're like no let's try that again you know he's like Miracles and this and that and the other and all of that and he's like yeah I heard you the first time he's just like my grandpa you know how your guy went off for 40 days in a desert fasting and praying well my grandpa

went on this big vision cast and just like your guy after doing this he had all these powers you know he never really did all the miracle business before because you know he went on this big vision cast he had this powerful experience acquire these powers so my grandpa you know went out

gained his power became an amazing healer they would bring in people were half dead he would bring them back told people to be nice to each other just like your guy you know Jesus good shaman good medicine I love that and and that's the different between an organized religion

and the tradition that encourages direct experience you know the Jesus experience in that sense is something that maybe not every human being but many human beings or some human beings could have access to God I love that it's so liberating to hear

those things you know there's a verse in the Bhagavad Gita the person attached to the flowery words of the Vedas is like a person who drinks water from the well when it flows everywhere right and it's the it's like organized religion is like someone trying to sell

bottled water in the middle of a field of fresh spring water and it's just there for you and they don't want you to know that they don't want you to know it they active that's where it gets creepy but they because built into the game they're playing

is almost an active attempt sometimes to keep you from recognizing the one simple truth which is you don't need to do anything via another person right you do need to do something you gotta pick up the phone you can't call somebody without a cell

phone you gotta pick up the phone but that's why to me on one end there's that devious aspect of somebody who's really trying to push it because there's power there's a lot of kind of dark games that you can play acquiring power over people yeah but then at the same

time there are there's a line at the door of people who are knocking at somebody to say please direct me in life I don't want to think about it too hard because the whole problem of the yin yanginess of it all is that it requires you to be really sensitive it requires you to be constantly

paying attention to be aware to be able to shift to the right a little shift to the left to keep that balance you know is not a dogmatic state you have to adapt it to the situation every moment and the situation is constantly changing so what it requires more of all is awareness

is being alive is paying attention is sensing the subtle changes that are taking place for most people that's way too much work can you just give me a list of I do this I'm good I stay away from that you know there's good and bad

I follow one I avoid the other the way I can do that in all context in all situation and I don't have to think so damn hard because it's a pain and plus if I'm the judge of trying to figure out what's exactly the right balance who that's

a lot of responsibility on my shoulder I don't like it just tell me what to do please right right and that's like that's when the good teacher that's like in all the Zen stories where someone gets whacked with a cane precisely it's like

not the way it works motherfucker but the the tendency for people to do that is an okay tendency because you learn growing up and there are there are teachers we need teachers for everything

and so there's spiritual teachers and there's real spiritual teachers but the real spiritual teachers always inevitably get you to a place where you're like oh well it's nice knowing you you know and it's a fun goodbye you know it's a

fun goodbye because they know they've done their job the moment you realize you're done they've done their work because now you're back at that place where you're not projecting your own intelligence on another person and maybe they have systems to get you there but God knows I think the smartest

people are the smart people do not want to have power over somebody else because it's like eating at a McDonald's when you could be eating at a really nice restaurant like really smart people I think have connected with this

much greater something much greater than somebody thinking there's things much greater than people thinking you're special how about the idea that the entire universe is in love with you think about that the entire fucking universe

is madly in love with you it's crazy it's crazy when you say it it sounds crazy you know when you're a kid and you see a movie there's a beautiful woman in the movie

who did I get a fucking crush on when I was a kid I had a crush on she ended up being a lesbian she was in like 70's movies and I can't remember her name but I had a crush on her man and when you have a crush as a kid

you're a little girl you end up getting crushes on bands and you put their pictures all you have Justin Bieber everywhere and you start fantasizing about this idea that you know if I just met Justin Bieber if I just met whoever this beautiful person is

I think I'd have a shot and maybe you start writing them letters or maybe you start whatever you just have fantasies about it but it never happens of course maybe you get arrested because you're a fucking psycho stalker that impulse that is the impulse

of bhakti yoga that is the impulse of falling in love with the universe only the difference is you will be reciprocated the moment you start moving in the direction of recognizing that we are in a living field

of consciousness that for whatever reason the game it's playing with us is a game where we're limited and it's unlimited we don't quite know it's there yet though we've smelled her perfume from time to time and we felt we felt something that

has given us the impression that she or he is there and you could start waking up to that more and more and more and suddenly you begin to realize like oh holy shit this universe is the thing having the dance with me

I'm the yin it's the yang or whatever I think that's real man you're rocks alive and talk to you universes are alive and talk to you and usually what they say is I love you so much I love you

not in that creepy whispery way that's how I say it I love you, I'm following you you can't see me fuck you psycho universe every breath you take no but it's real man it's real

and that's why by the way you guys are listening to the Duncan Trussell family hour who else in the world would have ever told you that Justin Bieber fandom is a form of backty yoga you can only hear it here well it is and whatever you're doing

you know if you're like any kind of infatuation you currently have out there whether it's with, whether it's requited love unrequited love, whatever it is whether it's with a video game whether it's with a job dream, whatever that attraction is you must understand

that that is the embryonic beginning phases of what is called backty yoga and that feeling is not something to be rejected but to be cultivated and this is where you come into the land of Tantra when you're with your lover and you start having sex with him or her

what you do is you start you know as part of the practice you recognize you're having sex you are having sex with the living universe you're having sex with the breath of God you're having sex with matter animated with spirit

you're having sex with a perfectly harmonized combination of quantum particles that are vibrating at a frequency that allow them to hold form and channel a identity that you consider to be the person you're having sex with and that conduit is in fact

connected to all of time and space and so you literally you're making love with time you're making love with the universe that's Tantra, that's Backty and you're just a few steps once you get there all you've got to do is pull back a little bit and realize that the way you have sex

is not just by putting your penis in someone or someone being entered by a penis the way that you have sex is just what you said Montseor it's the way the yin and the yang spin together in that eternal pattern and it is very sexual

it just doesn't have to be with people it can be with your dog I knew you had something like that if you want to experience God fuck your dog, that's what I'm saying that's in every religion that's what's hidden in every religion that's the secret truth of the Illuminati

it's written in the core of the sun if we flew into the center of the sun there would be a little stone block when every language says just fuck your dog that's what I learned that you finally revealed the truth that I've been trying to hide for so long

from us just say it! and by the way I'm a little worried because I've seen your dog and it's really small so I don't know about it's not the size of the dog it's the wag of the tail I see just kidding obviously don't fuck your dog

what do you think about these solar flares you heard about this? I heard I left it a third I didn't go anything I don't know sometimes when I start seeing stuff that can destroy the universe kill me ruin everything I know after a while I'm like ok I already

seen five of those this week I don't want to see another one because it depressed the fuck out of me after a while so I was just curious I mean there is something I don't want to be evaporated by a massive blast of nuclear heat from a from a star but there is a something hilarious

in that moment when all the world leaders Obama Putin just realized that all their ridiculous machinations all their stupid ideologies

are just no you're just getting turned into gas right now by the star that you've been floating around but no it's basically the sun shoots out these things called flares which are these massive explosions

of energy and generally it shoots them out when it's not not in the direction of the earth but when it shoots them in the direction of the earth the earth gets bathed with this high powered energy and the aurora borealis lights up

the satellites have problems radio like short wave radios fuck up and my conspiracy theory above top secret self thinks that they could also cause earthquakes or there's some part of me that's like

well we are the sun where the the sun brings us to life so does that mean when there's solar flares there's going to be also flare ups on earth of riots and war and earthquakes and that kind of stuff because it's just too much energy and when too much energy gets applied to a thing

sometimes it sparks and unfortunately here because the way we express ourselves is through conflict more than love the sparks emerge in the form of conflict when some more advanced planet maybe it would be when the solar flare happened everyone would be celebrating

because it always meant that there would be 7 new inventions some amazing thing because we were still in a stupid caveman when is it supposed to hit well it's already we're already getting bathed it reaches its peak

tomorrow if you live in the north west you can google search this guys if you live in the north well this I'll try to put this up today if you live in the north west and you're listening to this on Friday the 12th of September

and it's sort of like the middle of the country look it up I don't know anything about this shit look it up or just look up at night and if you see something it's the aurora borealis and if you don't well you're not in the right place that's you should do

weather for TV why do you need me just look out your window dummy is it raining well it's raining man do you uh so what are your

what's your plan with this dowice this dowice lecture series what's going on with that am I allowed to talk about that so you have a lecture series on dowism right now I was um I put together like 16 short topics each lecture is like anything from like 15

20 minutes to 45 roughly put 16 out of them out there so there's the whole series about 7 hour plus covering all the things about dowism that makes sense to me that click that are to me the key foundational concepts of dowism and then

applying them to life you know because the whole point is not just oh great now I know how to talk about dowism and cocktail parties for the fuckers is about um also being able to apply this concept just to make your life better plain and simple so I put those out and um

them and I had fun people seem to dig them so far so where are they if you go on my website on danielebolelli.com there's under the store there's the only thing up there is the dowice lecture series man you should be doing those all the time you should be doing those constantly that that is such a

brilliant idea to start putting that stuff out there that was fun and dowism is really such a uh so is so wonderful because it undercuts all the symbols that the ego resists you know I like I'm at the point

now I'm 40 I've smoked enough weed taken enough acid done enough had enough heartbreaks where I have no problem believing that a blue skinned cowboy could be god and I have no problem

believing that Jesus could be god and I have no problem believing that my girlfriend could be god I have no problem believing that you could be god but that took a lot of probably like it's probably took it I felt my bike was not as a kid got a concussion right I'm not saying that's

necessarily like a properly functioning brain right but what's cool about dowism is it cuts underneath all that bullshit and it's just like whatever the externalization of this general universal principle is irrelevant if you tune into this simple

subtle idea yeah because at the end of the day all of this stuff is very practical it's very it's kind of like what you were saying is you don't put your shirt on in winter you freeze it's not while dowism may seem really complicated and subtle and weird

the application of it should make life simple if it's not designed to complicate things it's not designed to be super complex system it's designed to make you awake it's designed to help you read the situations in front

of you and respond in a way that works better for you rather than getting you through more drama and heartache and maybe sometimes even that's part of the game and you need that and that's also gained in young businesses when the goal of everything

is easy and flow well sometimes you need not to balance it out so you know all of this is about balance and you know a bunch of times people that ask me over time because I always talk about dowism because I dig it to me it's not even about

I like this strange Chinese philosophy to me that's the language of life that's just is a perfect explanation for me for how life works so I use that all the time and people are always asking me you know I recommend and there's a bunch of stuff out there that I like and there was always something

for me for my own personal perspective missing like I love love love Alan Watts but there are a few things where I can see how certain people don't respond to the kind of language that Alan Watts write in or stuff like that there's

you can read the Dow Le Ching but which translation and each translation as it's so after a while I got tired of replying to people with well you can check this but read this but and I said okay you know fuck it I'll do one thing that at least I can not necessarily that I think

is the best thing ever done about dowism but at least I can stand behind because it's my thing you know I can it encompasses what I get out of dowism for me so if you're gonna ask me the question I can direct you there because that's my take on it you know

yeah that's great man we need that we need that I mean Alan Watts is awesome I love Alan Watts and life changing but come on he doesn't have a sexy Italian accent he doesn't know how to kick fucking ass he smokes cigarettes Alan Watts didn't know how to Alan Watts wasn't a

didn't know martial arts he didn't have a black belt that's the thing that's funny is like people respond to different stuff right so it's like somebody the best person in the world will speak in a certain language will have a certain certain characteristics that will attract some

people and turn off others that's right but warriors are always cool man especially when you're not one or like like I wouldn't I'm not a martial artist so whenever you're around them it's always cool because it's like you guys have an active practice that manifests in a very specific

a very specific set of skills it manifests in a very in a really cool way and that's that's on the surface is considered violent but whenever you run into you guys always peace always this kind of balanced

stable emanation I think that's really cool man instead of the I like it when people walk the walk not that Alan Watts didn't walk the walk he's fucking awesome and he had his own way of doing things you know and his audience was a more was like a kind of like academic

super like intellectual kind of dry audience where like I love what you're putting out the signals you're putting out are juicy and like and connected to where we're at right now in the ocean of

time thanks man that's I'm gonna hug my teddy bear and blush now high praise I love that you bring a teddy bear to every podcast of course the teddy bear is I always have to bring it up because it teddy bears are sweet just today I was dropping off my daughter

in kindergarten she just started and a little later I realized that I was walking down the street all holding a giant otter not the actual animal the stuffed version of it I was getting some strange looks I had a pink backpack on my back and I was holding this giant otter I felt

perfectly comfortable but yeah that's a thing that like one of the many things that gets ripped away from us in adulthood is we're no longer allowed to cuddle inanimate objects you can worship a fucking deity you can pray to a cross but you're not allowed to clutch a

soft bear at night everybody should have a teddy bear I think it's we should launch that as a new trend I think you got the name of your of your next book well okay so where can people find

you and this lecture series on Taoism so danielebolelli.com that's would be the easiest thing that's the where you find a lecture series on Taoism and other information about me Drunk and Taoist podcast you can access it from there there's its own

website Mr. Duncan Trussell has been a guest multiple times already and that was a blast too I'm sorry the last time man I was like crabby and I was like in a hurry I feel like a dick even that work perfect well I gotta get on there when I'm not

we gotta do it again man I feel like I left feeling like not to be confessional but I left feeling kind of like a dick it worked great and no it worked it was perfectly fine we had exactly enough time to get it through and I was

I walked in and I just run I was running late and I knew you didn't have much time so I just grabbed my sandwich I was running outside with my sandwich probably also running away from the guard saying hey you stole it no that wasn't it no but I was like in a hurry and I just

took this crazy dive like I tripped on something and I went for 10 feet just scraped myself on cement no I know you had fallen and then you were telling me that and I'm like I've gotta get out of here yeah I was like what an asshole thank you I don't carry a file just get on with it I'm sorry

being in a hurry is a stupid thing anyway oh and of course I'm gonna announce this at the beginning of this but in case you miss the beginning of this don't miss this if you are in Vancouver I'm going to be at the Vancouver podcast festival that is Saturday the what's the date the 4th

Saturday the 4th of October if you go to DuncanTrussell.com the dates are there recording a live DuncanTrussell Family Hour podcast and Mr. Bollelli will be one of the guests still working on the next guest not sure if there will be another guest don't think I actually need one

but there may be another one but come see a live taping of the podcast and then hang out with us after the show and that's it thank you so much for coming back I've missed you I love this awesome thank you so much bye

that was the great Danielli Bollelli make sure you listen to his podcast the drunken Taoist give us a nice rating on iTunes won't you I'll have all the links so you can connect with Danielli at DuncanTrussell.com in the comments section of this podcast thanks for listening God I love you

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