Duncan Trussell Family Hour - The many lives of TAIT FLETCHER

Episode Date: August 26, 2015

Fighter, stuntman, actor, and entrepreneur, Tait Fletcher joins the DTFH and talks about his ascent from cat burglar to hero!   This episode brought to you by CASPER.COM  go to casper.com and use offer code FAMILY HOUR to get $50 off a great mattress.

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It is I, Duncan Trussell, and I'm ashamed to start this podcast off with yet another audio apology, but I got to apologize and I understand that apologizing too much is a sign of weakness. I know the history of the world. I know that in the medieval times it was a common practice to drag on Sundays the apologizers of the village into the town square and yank their pants down, exposing their pasty medieval buttocks and to spend hours flogging them with branches and leather straps until rivulets of medieval plague blood dribbled down into their lice-encrusted leg hair.

Wolves would be released from the pens surrounding the town square and the wolves would run to the buttocks and lap at the briny medieval blood licking and licking and sometimes chewing and the screams of the apologizers would rise up into the forest canopy and cursed owls would fly to the homes of witches and lay devil eggs into the witches' chalices, which the witches would then use to make the cows of the village stop producing milk and the babies deformed. I get it. I don't mean to be the apologizing person, but I have to and this is it.

I look at this, what happened today in this episode is a sign from the podcasting gods that it is time for me to move on. I will admit that this particular problem, this issue, which is that when I was recording this podcast I did not realize that I was recording into my, not into my wonderful, fancy, sure microphones that are running into a fancy, some fancy other shit, which I don't know the name of really because I'm not an audio engineer, but rather what happened was that I recorded this entire podcast into the on-board mic of my laptop. I want to blame it on the house.

I want to blame it on the room that the podcast studio is stationed in this ancient house that is essentially in the middle of a concrete kennel. I'm surrounded by dogs on all sides, hundreds and thousands of bang, flea-covered Los Angeles mongrels rolling in the dust chasing the emaciated drought squirrels that sometimes fall out of the tree because they're dehydrated. I want to blame it on the fact that sometimes it feels as though the walls of the podcast studio are cursed that behind the walls of the podcast studio are the obsidian carapaces of demonic mantis creatures that emanate a shit heat that fills up the podcast studio.

I want to blame it on the sun and whatever terrible confluence of bad circumstance and environmental disaster has created the super hot conditions of Los Angeles, but their real blame has got to go to my right hand, which two hours prior to this podcast in front of my own eyes scooped a large quantity of caramel cannabis infused marijuana. Like a monkey scooping at banana cream, I watched it happen fast, quick. Before I could do anything, my hand lifted the sweet THC infused sugary mass into my mouth and my mouth betrayed me by chewing it and swallowing it, getting it into my stomach, and the betrayal continued as my stomach removed the THC from the caramel and via my

circulatory system got that THC into the neuro receptors of my brain causing me to experience a state of marijuana intoxication. This was mixed in with alpha brain and the combination of these two things put me in a warm, mellow, happy, focused state. And yet because I was so comfortable emotionally, I didn't pay attention to the fact that regardless of how many times I turned the dial on my mixing board, the waveform on the audio program I used to record was not changing. I decided, oh, I'm sure it's fine. Why would the, why would the waveform change if I adjust the volume levels? And as a neophyte, lazy stoner audio engineer, what ended up happening is I recorded what I consider to be a great podcast where Tate told me things that I'm going to think about for

a very long time to come. And yet the sound quality is degraded and diminished. And so you're going to hear clicks, the clicking of the chairs on the wooden floor. The odds are also good that you're going to hear droplets of sweat rolling down my esteemed guest's face and landing onto my podcast table. You've got to understand how awful that is to have my friends drive through LA traffic, which is what Tate did, to come into a podcast studio where they experience what it must be to be one of those fat little hot dogs rolling in one of those stinky 7-eleven hot dog distribution machines. It makes me feel terrible to look across in my guest as they're overheating because they're in a room in a hundred-year-old house in the middle of a kennel that also seems

to be on the flight path of the Los Angeles Police Department's helicopter division. And they're sweating. They're like crawfish in a boil pot. I feel like I'm staring at, so it honestly is like watching someone in the last stages of their life. No one in the history of interviewing ever said, if you want to get a great interview, put your guests in a superheated room and surround them with howling, bang dogs in the flight path of militarized helicopters. So I got to move. I just don't want to do the podcast in an office space. I feel like there's something cool about folks coming over to your house. It makes it more intimate. In the meantime, pray for me. Pray to all the angels in heaven and hell, whatever particular deity you happen to

worship. If you don't worship a deity, pray to the laws of logic and mathematics. Pray to whatever super consistent, transcendent force you consider to be the place from which the universe emerges from. And I guess I would say I try to keep my hand from shoving marijuana-infused cannabis treats into my mouth before I do a podcast, but that would be the same thing as me saying I was going to stop doing podcast, which I don't plan on doing for a very, very long time. Thank you guys for bearing with me. I hope that you will make it through this podcast, even though the audio quality is incredibly low grade. It's well worth it. Tate really blasts out some serious hardcore truth bombs. And I think you're really going to enjoy it. He's a super cool guy, a fighter,

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stuntman, fighter and all around badass entrepreneur. You can find out everything you need to know about him by going to TateGFletcher.com. Other links to reach him will be located at DunkinTrustle.com. Everybody please welcome to the DTFH Tate Fletcher. Tate Fletcher, welcome to the DunkinTrustle family on our podcast. Howdy Krishna, I'm so glad you're here. Me too. It's so exciting man. It's very exciting to me too because you like, you just did something I consider to be heroic which is you came through LA traffic to get here. It's a thing. It wasn't easy but when you get dedicated to a result,

there are no obstacles. There's just little occurrences you're going to have to surmount in this life to get to the place where you need to go. Now, how often does that philosophy help you when you want to rip somebody's fucking head off in LA traffic? You know, I did just offer, it's very easy to say that. I did offer an invitation to two young gentlemen that were a Prius. They'd cut off a bunch of people and then they were on the side shoulder of the exit and trying to push in on everybody and then I backed off and let them in and then they're yelling to me, I was the guy that let them in. I tried to wave them in and they're like, what, what? I was like, come on, you guys should just follow me. I'm going to take you to a great party and they followed

for a while and I just rolled the window down and smiled. They got up on both sides of the car and I was like, come on guys, really? And then they just kept driving straight when I got off. But that does happen. But I feel like if you're invited to a party, you've got to just accept whatever happens. Yeah, I think I know what you're saying. You're saying that you're going to murder those two gentlemen. You don't know what's going to happen when you get out of the car. But I want to avail myself to the experience. I'm an experiential guy and so it's just like what's going to happen when you get out of the car. I mean, I feel like I have a lot of party favors with which to offer my guests, however. You're a menacing guy. You're a very nice guy,

but you're a really like, let's just break it down. You have fought, you're a fighter, you still fight. I haven't fought in a long time, but yeah, that was, we were mad, I was still competing. Right. You have been a competitive fighter. Since 2000, about? Yeah. And you now have transformed into an actor. Yeah, yeah. You are on Breaking Bad. Yeah. Yeah, really a fortunate list of things. And I keep seeing you in movies because I, whenever I'm watching, you're in good movies too. That's what I say is fortunate because I look at friends of mine that have good resumes and I'm like, God, I've never heard of that show that they were in or I've never heard of that one. And it's

like, like I've got a bunch of Marvel movies and the Lone Ranger, like there's a bunch of really good stuff there, you know, the equalizer, John Wakin, things like that. And so I've been super fortunate. Yeah. And you're, you're a, it's really like incredible to think of the weird life you've had, man. You've had an odd life, haven't you? I was thinking about it many lifetimes, right? Many lifetimes, but like, where were you born? Michigan, Alpina, Michigan up on the shore, Lake Huron. And you kind of, didn't you kind of become a criminal a little bit? A criminal for like maybe from the gate, like for like, I mean, since I was like 11 or 12, since I first started exploring other people's homes when they weren't home.

Exploring. Do you weren't planning on robbing them? You were just exploring? No, no, I was. I mean, we were looking for booze at that age, like we would go and steal booze from people's houses and then it just escalated as, you know, time grew on and opportunities came up and all that. How old, how old were you when you were doing that? A kid, man. Like, you know, tell us, maybe my last entry into a house unwanted was 17 or 18, I guess. Hold on. So yeah, how do you make that decision for the first time? I mean, it's exciting. You know, I just, I've always been attracted to exciting, kind of adrenaline-infused activities, no matter how scary they were. I like doing it. I think,

I just read a book recently called The Rise of Superman, which is a fantastic book, but he talks about it and there's a bunch of stunt guys that did a jump, believe us, for one of the transforming movies. They jumped off the Sears Tower and there's like five guys and they jumped in unison. I don't know if you saw the movie, but they're in wingsuits. And so air, wind is really funny, especially in Chicago through buildings. Like if you're in a city, if you're in a canyon, you can count on it to be a certain way, but it shifts and changes drastically and quickly in buildings. And so they jumped off and they didn't know if they were going to die or not or what was going to happen. They had to follow so closely to each other

that they had to have telekinesis, really, of knowing before, they couldn't, if they were going to make a 90 degree turn, by the time they saw your foot twitched to show that you were going to turn, it would be too late. They had to know four seconds before you were going to turn. So they have, and there's five guys doing this, they all have to forecast each other. And it's pretty phenomenal. But they, he said, you know, when, when people call us adrenaline junkies, that's not really what it is. Cause like for me as a fighter and like all that, and I heard Brendan Schaub talked about it and described it beautifully. Like most of those guys that are in the sport are like nervous, scared. They have a lot of emotions, ups and downs,

and excited, everything before they fight. But you know, the thing is, is you're not after that adrenaline, you're after that flow state that happens that ensues afterwards. And you have to trigger it by doing something terrifying. And so you go into that thing and then norepinephrine comes in and adrenaline comes in and oxytosis comes in and, and you begin to mutate time and shorten it and you can distill it. And time slows down, you know, you get into a mutation and the book goes into all of it beautifully. And it really gave an explanation for things that I'd always felt that, that I was always drawn to and like why I was. And I thought, well, what a misnomer that adrenaline junkie kind of thing is in a way because nobody likes that. That's a

kind of a terrifying experience. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. You're more into, yeah, you're a, you're a dopamine, you're trying to squeeze that sweetness out of the synaptic vesicles and the way you do it is by some kind of incredibly dangerous thing. But you're, so you're saying when you were breaking into houses, it was more for the, for that state afterwards. It was totally for that when I was a kid, ever since I was little, I was into that, like for forever. And so I love the, I love to throw snowballs at cars when I'm a little kid and have, and then people chase you like I love all that. Right. All the cops and robbers stuff. And I just, it just grew into my life. And then also, you know, I made a living that way for a while. I mean, you know, I mean, there's someone to open

and. Did you ever get in trouble? Yeah, locked up a couple of times. My, my last significant thing was a big charge, but, um, you know, and, and then I got acquitted to that. And, um, and then that was the last time, you know, then, then I really, and that was when I was in my early 20s. And I really was like, I've got, my life's got to change. I've got to have a shift in my life. And so I did it. And that's when I started to get to it, to really kind of save my life in a lot of ways. And, um, wait, how, before you get to that, how long were you in jail? For that last charge, if this is okay to talk about, by the way, it's a long time ago. I waited, I don't know. Maybe that last time before, like I did two court sentences and I, um,

was there maybe a month and a half or something before I was released. And then I got cleared and off paper, like six months later or something. There was a guy I was with and there's a bank that got robbed and all of that kind of thing. And so he had to cop to it and be tried and sent. There's a bank that got robbed. Yeah. By who? This guy that I was a buddy with. Okay. But you're all my friends, you know. Okay. I see. So you were like, you're living like the Grand Theft Auto life. Not quite like that, but it was, I mean, it had, it's colorful moments, you know. What would you, well, can you give me an example? What's one? What would be the, what color?

It's just like, it's more desperate than that. I mean, it's more like, it's not like everybody's just a gorilla in the streets. I mean, it looks like that, but it's like, you're hidden. You know, I remember when I heard the first time I heard like a Dr. Dre album and I was like, they're freely talking about this. Like, you know, because like that's your life. And you're like, I know people that have fucking done horrific things to people and they're not writing a song about it. I'm like, these guys are all fake. Like this is an error or something. Like I didn't really get it, but like when you're selling dope, you're not singing songs about selling dope. You know what I mean? Right. And so, you know, the thing is, is just like, how am I getting through

day to day? Like really, you know, we're all kind of, you know, there's a group of us and we're all like really into drugs and into booze and like in that lifestyle and Michigan's kind of a poor place in a lot of, I mean, it's like maybe the second or third poorest place in the world. I think my hometown was up to like 24% unemployment a couple of years ago. And then those people drop off unemployment and then they're just still unemployed. They just start, you can't tell them as a number anymore because they're now just poor. And so there wasn't a lot of choices. Like my family was a nice family. They did great. And but the whole surroundings is poverty, you know? And so you can go on the merchant marine boats, you can join the army, you can be a criminal.

And that's kind of your choices in a way. Or you can go and try to work at a flower shop or this that. But there's not a whole lot, you know, the United Auto workers at that time were doing well for a little bit. But then even then they were cutting their punches to zero and like, and that's kind of, you're in that kind of a thing, you know, where like in the early when I was a little, little boy, like Flint was huge, like it blown up with General Motors. And then, and it was one of the biggest cities in Michigan. And it's like a ghost town, like there's when those jobs go away, you've just made a huge slum is what you've done. And so it's kind of like, you know, people are like, there's bad areas, you know, like in LA, you go, what's the bad area? It's like, you kind of

get got anywhere here. Like it's, it's kind of like that. But like, there's places in Michigan where it's kind of like, these are vacuous holes that you just don't, there's no reason to be there. And so it's, you know, but that, you know, that's a crazy place to grow up man. Life's kind of what make of it too. You know what I mean? It's like where you want to go with it and what you need to escape. I'm interested in what is going through your mind on the fifth day of a month long prison sentence. Oh man, I'm with five Mexican dudes in the fucking cell, and they're not speaking any English. And it's, it's scary, you know, I'm a young guy and in the US Marshall's office and, you know, while we're in holding, like everybody just got picked up. And there's a bunch of guys with

recidivism that are just, you know, that their parole officers have just put them back and, and guys talking about the whole thing, you know, we're fucking rape you later tonight. So that's real. All of that. That's real. The dude that one of the guys that was sent that said that to me, this old shitty white trash biker, and he goes, he got, the way he violated his parole is his parole, he didn't check in, like how hard is that? You just go check in. Right. And he didn't go check in and he's out at this farmhouse and he's got a guy that I don't know if he thought snitched on him or what happened, who's hanging in his barn, who he's skinning, who's alive. He's in the process of taking it. Like, and I don't know if that's real or not. That's what they're

saying. Like, yeah, that's how he violated. So there's these kinds of people that I'm with. Then there's the guys that in Colorado, this is up in Colorado. They call it Compton Springs and they just got these nine dudes, they just got a shootout with the ATF and shot a couple guys in the face and like there's all and they're happy as fuck. They were stoked. It's like they'd made it. They're in federal prison. And really? Yeah, it was crazy. Why? Why? Because federal prison's better somehow, I understand. No, I mean, just because they'd gotten a big thing. It's like there's a sense but some guys like that they're made if they get into a spot like that, right? That's nuts. I mean, and you know, it's the same thing you see. I see guys like

that get out after they've done five or six years and they come back to a neighborhood. It's like, if you go, you know what, Abbot Kinney or something like that was like 10 years ago, 15 years ago, right? It's like, you're not like, you don't want your lady to walk around there after dark or whatever. It's not, it's not safe. And now it's like mini skirts and high heels at 10 at night and it's no big deal. And so imagine you go and you're just, you're a gangbanger and you go away for that time and come back. It's like, I totally understand the idea about you would be a chronic recidivist because you're in a way not welcome back into your community where there used to be something, everything's changed. You're not shit. Fuck off. And you are somebody in prison

and a lot of those guys find that there. I think they find a status or a caste system that they can understand. But man, there you are. So there I am. And you're an intelligent guy. When I'm going to leave, I don't know any of that stuff. And we got, I've been called for court before we got called on the day that I got released. But I'm just trying to think like, how are you rationalizing your life? You're not, you're not thinking that you're in a, I mean, for me, and then there's a riot. There's a riot right when I got there. And so everybody's fucked up. Like it is crazy. And so I've never been in any situation like that before. And I didn't know really how to take it. So you just kind of stay close to people that are nice to you. You're even

more careful around them. And, you know, keep your back to the wall. And, and it's really, you know, blacks are hanging out with the blacks and the whites are hanging out with the whites. And there's this guy Walker Knight, he was, he befriended me as this big, tall black dude. And he was super dope, man. And, and, and he's like, Hey, dude, this is the guy that you need to hook up with when you get inside. Like, because when we were all picked up by the FBI, and then we're in the US Marsh Office for a couple of days, and we get put in England. And, and, you know, he kind of made introduction to make it like an easier way. I got, and I don't know how that all would have played out had I been there a long time. Like, I don't know a lot about it. It's not

like I spent months and years there, but it's crazy. It's a different world, man. It's a different world. And your moment to moment, everybody says that, oh, how can they go, how'd you survive this in your life? How'd you survive that in your life? And it's like, you don't think that way. All you think is like, I've got one foot in front of the other, and I'm just aware. And I'm, you get hyper aware, right? You get hyper aware, and you're just moving through time and space, you don't reflect on it and be like, how am I going to get through this? It's just like, it is happening so rapidly. Right. Then you better be in it. And it became like that was the first time that I did a stick fight that really dawned on me and kind of coalesced and distilled into that of like,

you need to be hyper present in your life all the time. And this was like a couple years later that I had that opportunity. But I'm like, when a stick is swinging by your head, you're either awake and aware and conscious all the time, or you're unconscious because you've gotten clumped, you know, and that becomes the thing is like, you start to become hyper present. And that was the first time like, I felt like this is a flow I can control. Before I was like, I'm just going to go do some crazy shit. But like that, I was like, I can put myself in these situations. And so then ever since then, pardon me, I really looked at how do I put myself in scary situations that are in some way that aren't illegal or that are like in a, you know,

controlled kind of environment. But even like a scary situation for me could be like to get up and do stand up, right? How are you going to learn your language? Are you going to like throw yourself into the unknown and doing that thing? And so, you know, making myself uncomfortable. And what I didn't understand at that time, and what I understand it to be today is that I'm addressing my ego in a way and kind of, you know, curtailing that omniscient kind of feeling that is really unrealistic and kind of grandiose and going, I'm a part of this whole thing, this whole cellular thing that I don't really understand. And I'm just going to try to play my part. And then you go, okay, I'm going to, I'm going to help as many people as I can. Or I'm

going to, you know, like, well, that's where I'm interested. I'm interested in when did that, wait, were you always like that? Did you always have a spiritual side? I was pretty empathetic. And I was always looking for a spiritual thing. Like I'd studied since I was little, like I was lost in books since I was a kid, right mythology. I would read a lot. Then I read a lot of the early American authors and really got in like to Emerson and Thoreau and all that kind of thing, you know, John Locke and and like when I was young, when I was 10, 11, 12, like my mind was just I needed to be elsewhere. And so those were things then like, like ethics and shit, like, and then I started the first

fiction I read was like Louis Lamour books, like, oh, yeah, Western, you know, and I was like, I was like, well, those are guys you could look up to those are guys that like, they stand for something. And like, all that kind of stuff started to really matter to me. And then when I started hanging out with these guys, these are the guys I'm loyal to and that like, you know, and then I demanded standards, like, which is interesting, and then tell you just said that, I didn't think that but like, I demanded standards in my life standards of my friends behavior, you know, like we're friends because you're not a lot of things and because you are for a lot of things, you know, it's like, I look at that too, like, you know, with like,

the original guys really that were around like you and me and Ari and Joey, and Joe and when you look at that, like, we're more advanced in life, we're further down the road, like we're not in our 20s, you know, and, but all of those guys are all fantastic people that have all been found the modicum of happiness and success and are still on a track that's going higher and higher and evolving all the time. And it's like, it's really something about like having that figured out, I think, I think that you get into a position where things are clicking and you're like, Oh, this is the way like, it's like Eddie Bravo would talk to me about it. And he'd be like, you know, you want to get

yourself on the same vibration as the universe. Right. And that's through appreciation. And so like all these things and like a lot of these spiritual practices kind of coalesced, I guess, in my mid 30s. And I go, I go, this is, this is how you want to start moving. And then you want to start moving in a way that's going to give the greatest good to the most people. And I used to hide with like a, like a false humility in a way or something like that where it's like, where I didn't deserve it, or I didn't want it, or I just look at my shoes and be like, I'm grateful for this. And I'm not a fucking, I'm not in prison. I'm not dead. I'm not a junkie. I'm not like, or whatever. And, but even at that, I tell the story sometimes. And

it's crazy. Like I've been sober for a long time now, like since that time really. And it's, I don't drink, I don't do any drugs. And, and I was sitting and I was thinking about I was at this retreat and I was with all these people and a retreat. No, just like a thing, you know, and I was like, um, I was like, I'm just as capable as anybody, you know, and a friend of mine right before that conversation had said, I, uh, he goes, you know, feelings are facts. A lot of people are saying, you know, your feelings are facts and all that kind of stuff. And he says, my feelings are facts. It's valuable. It's who I am. And it's how I see the world and how I perceive it and whatever. And I was thinking about that. And then this guy started speaking and listening

to that. And I was like, I'm just as capable as anybody here. And, um, and this was just a few years ago. And I thought, that's weird. Like I've never had that thought before. I've never felt that way before. Not ever. Yeah. Right. And so then I started thinking about it. And I go, you know, I was figured like the way I, my narrative for myself was if there's a race, I'm going to be last. Yes. You know, and then I learned when there's an actual race, I was like, like maybe sixth grade or something. And you're like, you're going to run a mile in gym class or whatever it is. And I was like, I learned I was tough. I was like, I'll finish and I won't be killed. Like, and then, and then at that time I started, you know, uh, defending myself in the playgrounds

on the streets at party. Like, and so I started, I was like, I might get beat down, but I'm tough. At least I'm not going to quit. Right. This is when you were a kid. When I was a little kid. Yes. And, um, and, and then, you know, I look at it and I'm like, I kind of always felt that way. And then I started looking at it and I go, okay, and I do a lot of writing and journaling and kind of reflecting on my life and looking at, uh, you know, here's taking stock in your life and what it is. And I do that like every year. And I started thinking about the last time I've done it. I go, you know, even when you're in that position where, you know, before all the madness happened, you're still a leader. Like people are still looking up to you. You're, you know, articulate.

You, you're thoughtful. You read a lot. You've got a lot of information that other people don't have. Like I was advanced in a lot of different ways. And, uh, I was like, that's interesting. And then I go, and then after all that, it's like, I, I get hired at a place and then I'm running a whole crew of guys and then I'm running a couple of different clubs and then like, I'm like escalated quickly and I joined Jiu-Jitsu and I'm the best guy in the room. And then I'm one of the best guys. So you're saying, you're saying all this is somehow tied into all this is a thought, right? That I'm having at this moment. And I'm thinking all this stuff and I'm going through my life and I'm thinking about that. And I'm like, and then, you know, you're an ultimate fighter and you're

fighting the UFC or like I was undefeated fighter for a bunch of fights. And then, um, and then I'm acting, I'm in films and then I fucking own a bunch of nightclubs and then I'm like running a coffee company and then I got like, and all this shit. And I'm like, and, but I'm the guy that's not going to finish the race and is my narrative, right? And I went back to my friend and I go, humans aren't facts. And I go, that's what the fuck they mean, right? The way I feel about myself and I'm proceeding myself is delusional. Yeah. And then at that time, it was like, I was like able to go, okay, it's important to have a realistic view of who this is inside. Because here you are, a person who is at all this great success from what you just described,

not only that, but you also have the great redemption story, which is that you pulled yourself out of a trajectory that could have led to complete obliteration. So you have that going to, which is a very mythological, very archetype, you know, it's really cool. So you have that thing going and yet still, no matter what the universe is showing you, which is like, look, I've given you this and this and this and this, you've accomplished all this, you're still thinking to yourself, kind of a piece of shit. Right. That to me is such an interesting aspect of humans. From doing this podcast, I've really noticed that that's like an omnipresent thing where, and just from meeting people out here and I'll let you run into people out here who have the most ridiculous success,

or they're the most incredibly beautiful, or they're the most whatever it is. And yet still, they cannot accept the fact that they deserve it. Right. They just think it was an accident. They think it was a fluke that it's going to go away. Any good thing that comes is going to go away that the other shoes about to drop. Dude, that's how I live my life, Duncan. I was like, things were good right now, but and any more, man, I go think and then when I tell everybody, anybody that comes to me for counsel or anything, I'm like, you've been okay, you've been carried your whole life. You've always been fed. You always had a place to live. People have always loved you, even if you didn't deserve it, whatever. What is to make you think if you've had 30 years of success

like that, that tomorrow's going to be any different. It's only going to get better. You know, and the more goodness that you put out, the more goodness come and all that stuff. And so any more I look at and go, yeah, my life's pretty good right now, my bank account's pretty good right now, all that. And I'm like, there is not one thing to make me think that this won't be fucking twice as good next year. There you go. And that's so dope to get into that kind of decision. That's a new thing for me, bro. That's a new that's a big decision. And it's it's interesting. I mean, I know you've never come in from a mini Cooper up to a Mercedes. I mean, come on. Yeah, I know. And I mean, I have not quite, I can do the pull up that you're talking about from time to time. But I'm more often than

not, it's hard for me to do that. Like I have to consistently tell myself, this is okay, you can be successful, you don't have to be someone who's not successful. But it's not like, it's hard to accept. And it's, it's, to me, that's been one of the one of the great teachings in my life is like, well, look at this, no matter how much love comes to me, and whatever form that it comes, my tendency is a negative and negative. Yeah. And that that that's a wild interesting. And I don't know if that's for human, because I know some guys, like, I don't think Joe is like that. Right. I don't think he has that like that. I know people that think I'm fucking crazy. Like, I tell them that story, and they're like, you, like, it doesn't even make sense that that is

something that is inside me. It's a universal ghost that wants everybody. And to the point where I'm suspicious, sometimes when I see someone who's like, acting incredibly confident, sometimes I wonder to myself, is this just a, are you just putting on a show? But here's, you know, the whole thing, like feelings are not fact. Right. If you really do an analysis of what you are, if I look into myself, right? And quite often what I come up with is that there are feelings that are in a field of awareness. And the where field of awareness is a thing outside of definition, which means that the feelings come after this initial be I'm aware of my feelings. This is what they call the watcher, the observer, the ottman. Yeah, that seems to be what we really

are is this thing that in the Bhagavad Gita, when it's, they call it the soul, a lot of people call it the soul, but in the Bhagavad Gita, when they're describing it, they say it was never born, has never died, it does not come into being, it does not cease to be, it cannot be burnt by fire, withered by the wind. Is this like they say sometimes the unknowable and unnameable? That's yeah, right. The Dallas would speak of it's like you can't look at yourself without it, you know, without a mirror, you can't turn around and look at yourself. This is the observer, the observer self. And that thing really doesn't care about how definitions or it doesn't really care. Everything precedes this initial state, right? So to me, what it, what that means is,

and this is something that I kind of gets echoed by Jean-Paul Sartre when he talks about, you should definitely check out if you haven't already, but he talks about if we take a paper cutter, right? The paper cutter is just a fucking paper cutter. It doesn't have to decide what it's going to be. The paper cutter didn't have to go to college, it doesn't have to define itself, it doesn't have to listen to certain kinds of music and wear cool clothes and it doesn't have to do it. It's just a paper cutter, a human. We have to tell ourselves what we are. We have to decide, this is what I am. I am whatever it is you want to be and that's why it's called a human being, because we're, we're the being, we're in the process of being a thing and we're always outputting.

We always have to put out this thing that we are and Sartre said, that's hell. That's hell. We're all in hell. He was a dark motherfucker, but he's like, we're all in hell. There's no way out of it. Your ultimate emptiness, you can only make up what you are from moment to moment, but you know the whole thing is a big charade. That's Sartre. But then if you read Camus, Camus' response to that kind of dark existentialism was, yeah, except, yeah, and that thing, exactly, that's it. And the fact that I am the one who makes the ultimate decision to smile in the face of oblivion, that makes me more powerful than the gods. And so that moment of decision making that you're talking about I'm really interested in that when you realize you're not going to get an emotional

backup for when you decide that you're okay. You're, you're not going to get your emotions aren't right away going to be like, oh yeah, you are a great person. You're nothing. You gotta train yourself. It's discipline. So everything comes to discipline and awareness, I believe. Right? Yes. What we're talking about with that, like it takes so long to, it does, it, you know, everybody thinks they're enlightened or that they have a higher consciousness. And it's like, what I'm seeing more and more is it's like there's, there's slivers of awareness. And if you're unaware, you're unaware that there's even more things to be aware of. Right. You just, you're, you know, and so and if you can't reflect and go, here's where I was unaware, here's where I just became aware of,

like, because your confidence is so messed up that you have to just put on errors, as you say, you know, it's like, then you're never aware. Also, you're just pretending to be aware all the time. And those are the people that I go, oh, it's hard to be around that person. Yeah. And that's why I, like, I'm so excited about going, I can control my universe by, you know, all the people that I get to be around. And I get to choose that. You get to choose, and you, before you choose the people you get to be around, you can just make this decision. Sure. Which is, I'm cool. You can just decide. It's a, it's a really, it's a scary thing when you realize. And that's the thing people don't like. Yes. Because there's an accountability and a responsibility to say, I am a plumber. You know,

they're like, instead, they're like, I don't know if I'm good enough to be a plumber. Can I pass the plumbing test? Like, or, you know, or something creative. I'm a writer. Like, now you got to shake your own tree. I mean, as a fighter, I'm a fighter. You got to shake your own tree, get your own sponsorships, find your own fight. Like, that's a lot to do. Like, you're not getting a paycheck at the end of the week from that job, you know, as an actor. I'm already on my last job every time I work. It's like, I'm already looking for my next job because I'm about to be unemployed. And so like, you know, but I've been in that position. I get comfortable with that because I've been shaking my own tree for a long time. And so it's kind of like, I can live in that

space. I don't need to have that check at the end of the week to have comfort and go, oh, my phone bill will get paid. But don't, don't you think like all, but all the, all the, it seems like there's a direct core, I mean, this is where you get the cliche secret bullshit, but it is kind of true, which is that I have the moment you decide manifestation, when you decide you're okay. Like you just make, you realize, like here's the, like, you know, the third, you know about Buddhism, the temptations of Buddha. So you know, the third temptation when the Buddha was about to get enlightenment, you know what that is? So Mara, I'm sorry guys, I talk about this too much, but Mara, the Lord of death appears to the Buddha. He's already tempted him twice. The first temptation

is by throwing fireballs at him or just all these terrible things. And the Buddha laughs and the fireballs turn into flower petals, but that's supposed to represent overcoming the fear of your own annihilation or death or whatever. And then the second temptation he, Mara, sends to the Buddha his daughters and a lot of people, this can be, any of this can be interpreted in any way you want, but his daughters, some people say that represents worldliness or living in the world of pleasure. That's what I used to think. And there's a, other people say, no, actually the daughters of Mara are letting go of your attachment to when you start waking up to getting prideful over it, to like getting like puffed up and like, oh, I'm such a holy man or something. There's a lot of

things, but the third one, man, that's my favorite one, which is that finally Mara, the Lord of, it's really not the Lord of death, it just represents the king of the world, represents the world. But Mara says to the Buddha, this is the third one. And theoretically these are in, in order of difficulty, you know, this is his last ditch attempt to keep the Buddha from getting enlightened. The third one was a question, why do you deserve to be the Buddha? And the answer was that the Buddha took his finger and touched it to the earth and then enlightenment. And that's always been a mysterious moment for me because I think, what does that mean? And I've asked different people, everyone's got their own interpretation. But to me, it's that realization that you have to make the fucking

decision. You just decide, you just decide now, regardless of your success, regardless if you have a ton of success or none at all, you just make the crazy decision at the second. I deserve love. I'm a good person. I'm okay. I'm okay. You have to make the decision yourself. That goes into all the things like, I mean, this sounds like super ethereal talk that we're having, but it's like, that is like meat and potatoes stuff of like, like, okay, so your boyfriend doesn't treat you very well. He gets drunk and sometimes he calls you a bitch or he stays out too late. It's not his problem. That's not his fault. That's how he is showing up. What is it about you that would stay around for that? Why is it that you think that that's what you deserve?

And so like, these things to me, those these kinds of lessons are fascinating to me because they come up in life everywhere. Like, when you ask yourself that, but people don't want the decision, I didn't want the decision, rather, of being accountable to my decisions. So it's easier for you to tell me, Hey, where do you want to have lunch? Right? Because I don't want to say what I want. You know what I mean? I don't want to be a people pleaser in that way. And so like, we all live this fucking crazy nebulous of of going, well, I wonder what he thinks that I should be like, and then I'm going to try to be like, and it's like, it's the craziness. It's crazy. I was reading the thing about computers. And there's a, I can't remember, it's a clever bot or something about

these bots, right? And mimics human. Yes. And so you're talking to them. And yeah, there's a great thing on radio lab. And, and you can ask them any questions, they put them online, and then people could ask questions. And the idea was, if you would write in hello to the computer, then it would know the one word hello. And then how are you today? Then it would know a succession of sentences based upon your interaction with it, then they put it online, and everybody started asking. So then pretty soon, it has four billion things that it knows or whatever. So you could actually write in questions and go, Hey, um, why am I sad? And they're being answered. So they're doing this online and they're going, so why am I sad clever bot? And the answer comes back because, and that's

based on like, a conversation that it had with another person, like, so you're talking to ghosts. So yeah, and, and it's then there must be more. Why am I sad? Because you stay in the same place for too long is the answer. And I thought, what a brilliant answer. But that's just the answer that one guy had. But it's like, you get into these things where you're like, brilliant, where you talk about the humanism of machines and like, where we go into that. And like, what, I mean, it begs a lot of, because you stay in the same place too long. And it doesn't have to be a geographic place either. It's just, well, that's you, you end up in this made me question my whole life. I'm like, every decision like, Oh my God, it's a, it's this is the, and what am I hanging on to? Like,

it goes back to where you're talking about my attachments. Well, right. Yeah. And when you start realizing that, I think it's beautiful that it's built into the universe that you can be imprisoned in a certain thought structure or ego pattern or paradigm and live your whole life beaten down, cowled by the world, trying to please everybody. And at any moment that you want to, you can instantaneously free yourself from 80% of what's obstructing you, which is just the way you look at yourself. It's always there for you. It's so cool. It's like a prison, like imagine a prison where ever with no roof, with no ceiling, no prison with no ceiling, very high walls, no ceiling, but all the prisoners had the ability to levitate if they wanted to. They just had to do it, you

know, and every once in a while you'd see a prisoner go shooting up through the fucking ceiling. And most prisoners be like, one in a million chance. Nobody can do that. He works so fucking you know, but we can all do it. Except this isn't this, you know, that's one of the things about being an actor for me is that everybody says that when I'm a little kid for forever or being a fighter can't be in the UFC. Right. Can't do that. Right. Yeah. So I start thinking about all that shit and I go, you know, it is, I mean, numbers wise, nobody's wrong when they say it's one in a million or whatever the fucking number, these statistic fucking people put out like, fuck a statistic, because my name is Tate Fletcher. You know what I mean? And it's like, and I won't

quit. That's what I know about me. And so you know, who, you know, who, you know, who are those 900 and 99, you know, like all the people right up to the one in a million, those are all people that gave up. They don't give up. It'll occur. But something even better will occur, even if that doesn't occur, you're on the road, you get, then that's the thing is you have to choose a desert. It's like in like the Prophet or any, any kind of book, like when you read the alchemist, it's like, he has to choose it. It's not about getting to the pyramids. Yeah. It's his like, things take him and distract him along the way. They're even better to grow his soul as a human. But what is that cheesy quote in the very beginning of Gladiator? I'm sorry, you guys, but I always think

about it where they're riding into battle and he says, if we die today, we will drink in Valhalla It wasn't Valhalla, it was somewhere, whatever, but it was, it's the warrior's thought, warrior's creed, creed, which is, which is like, there is no reward on earth that can equal the glory of dying, fighting for your life. That's the glory, right? And there's no for your, not even your life, for your flag, for an idea of what this flag is and what it represents of your family and your kids and your hopes and your grandfathers and everything, right? Or I mean, when I say your life, I mean, I mean, fighting to peel back the entropy that has kept you trapped in your, the thing that's keeping you alive. Really? I hear people talk about, I fight for

a living, like we're doing this for a living, we just watched the fights yesterday on, on television and, and that guy was like, Hey man, this is our job, you know, and so thanks for supporting the sort of saying to the fans, but I'm like, it's, it's not man. Like, I mean, it is, but it's not like it, to me, that's like a muted idea of what it is. You're fighting to release all those things and go, who am I now under these strictest, harshest conditions that I can come up with in America. Um, what, I mean, that's a huge statement since I'm just gonna say, well, dude, you know, there's home or whatever, but like, you're putting yourself in a really highly advanced, you mean, to be in a physical fight, to fight in the EOC, to fight in, you're crushing yourself. So when you

do that, you're, you're, I mean, you're in an elongated state of discomfort for months and years to be able to train yourself, to be able to do that thing. And, and there's an uncovering and a discovering of yourself within that. But if you lose the fight, you still won, right? You have been given the, the great teachings of being, and I sat there and had my friends fight. He was one of my best friends, Isaac Valley flag, and he was getting beat down by this guy. And it was before Isaac got in the EOC. And I was like, this is fucking bad. He got, he got caught bad, knocked out. The guy mounted him, he's beating him. Isaac keeps moving enough to defend himself, gives him his back. Like it was all bad. It got clipped again. And then by the second round, he was,

I think maybe he made it to the second or third round, but I'm like, and I was reflecting on the way home, his long draft home. And I was like, that was a fucking bad deal. And, but then I had flashes of the guy's corner on the other side. And I was like, they're happy. There's nothing. I'm like, it's not a bad fight or a good fight. There's just a fight. Right. And, and depending where I'm sitting, my perspective is what makes it good or bad. I'm like, there's no good or bad. This is just a fight and experience. And what a fucking, a bunch of gratitude that you can have that you're able to be a part of that thing. And, and like what you're saying, you know, I had lunch with this chick earlier today and that came up, you know, she's like, well, the world

is empty and meaningless. You know, and I go, absolutely. And I said, how the fuck, and like what you were saying earlier, what a great opportunity. Because that means everybody would always say, you live in a fantasy land, man, you need to fucking just buckle down, get a job, dude, whatever, whatever their status quo is, who all, all of those fuckers email me and send me shit on, on Facebook to the point where I got to block them because there's too dumb. How did you do this, man? I got two kids, I went to church, I got the job, I went to college, I fucking hate myself and my, this is horrible. And I'm like, you listened to all the shit that didn't make sense from people that were failing at the very same construct they were giving you to live. I mean,

you know what I mean? And it's like, that's what happens generally. But like, she says, so it's, it's meaningless or whatever, whatever. I'm like, what an awesome opportunity to give it whatever meaning you want. Yeah, I live in a fantasy. Come check it out. You know what I mean? Make it whatever you want it to be, because that's what it can be. And that's the beautiful part about it. I mean, there's no way that it makes sense, dude. Like, I was supposed to go and go to college and do a great thing. I became a drug addict with bad alcohol problem and, and the whole thing and a bunch of run ins here and there. But it's like when you had cancer, and you're like, you know, you're a cancer survivor, Duncan, congratulations. You're a great,

you're a cancer survivor. Fuck yourself. Like that, that discredits everything else that I am, that I really am. This is just the thing that happened. And that's kind of how I view that stuff. It's like, there's a lot to surmount and all that kind of stuff. But that's not me. That's nothing about me. It's a stranger to me. And it's a stranger to anybody that knows me. It's almost like that's like really like that's crazy. So I've lived that life. I've lived the life of recovery. I've lived the life as a professional athlete, lived the life as an athlete, all those things. And the thing is, is like, I'll just try. Like that's my whole mantra is I need you to try. Like I want everybody to try. I want everybody to win. Because I think all that is possible. And I don't think

there's any separation or or dissimilarity between us, you know, like the skin of me or a dude making a pot in India is no different than even the pot. It's like we're all made up of the same carbon and the same kind of energies that warm us and cool us and propel us through this life. And and so like whatever this, I think that's maybe what the Catholics or a Christian would think of as the Holy Spirit is like the thread that we absorb our souls together. And is this this unified kind of God shield that is all of us that we all come from and go back into this this pool of souls that is of is is is the one. Well, this is in that thing that you're talking about. I was just listening to a lecture by the founder of the Hare Krishna is talking about this very thing. He's

got those fucking people at the airport. Am I right though? I like it when I like running into listen, I tell you, I'd rather run their book. I'd rather the which one I don't know the one that goes and it culminates with yeah, you eat me because that's a grotesque part of getting energy. And then you become a vegetarian because you're more enlightened. And then when you get to the highest point of spirit, you can absorb all your nourishment through the air. That's not the Hare Krishna. No, I don't think that's the Hare Krishna. So they do definitely have some serious flaws because there is the what they're based on is a type of yoga called bhakti yoga. And so is that a thing that stimulates DMT in their brain? Is that a thing like there's like a lot of

yoga poses that they would talk about if you get good at this and you're practicing this for years and years and years that these will cause psychedelic states? Well, it's I think it's even more powerful than that in the sense that it's what you just said, which is we're all part of this one pool of existence. All energies are all connected and make up this one super entity composed of all things. The step that they take is they say that entity that that some total of all things, which is called I almost pronounce of it, it's called a sinka sinka betta tatva simultaneous simultaneous oneness and difference. So that thing that some total of all things is God and bhakti yoga is the practice of falling in love with everything. So you now recognize,

isn't that cool? You but that's not owned by the Hare Krishna. See that's a very old right. But they you know, the but the Hare Krishna's or Prabhupada, the guy who brought it here was very, very good at talking about what that what the implications of all that is. And so it's the idea that all this stuff out here, all this out here, every single thing around you is just God energy. And I think the name is called maybe prakriti as the name they have, you know, Hindu isms rat, they have a lot of cool terms for it. So all this God energy. And so the dimension that we're in right now is marked by ignorance. That's a quality. That's the quality. That makes sense. That's the quality of this dimension, because we have all forgotten. Most people have forgotten

without knowing. We are without knowing. We're ignorant of the fact that we're surrounded by God. Except for the arrogant ones. They're like, I don't know how I got this ball in. I know. Yeah, right. How can you possibly know? Like, and why is it so hard to go? This is the greatest mystery ever. And I'm a part of it. Wild. I hope when I die, that's where I always hope she says, little boy, I was chasing death since I was a little kid, little boy, little seven, eight. And I was like, I can't wait to die. Because I was just sure that when I died, I'd be fucking omniscient. Like, I would there would be a snap of the fingers, and I would be flooded with knowledge of all my questions answered, all the huge realization and oneness. Like, I knew that

as a little boy. And it's crazy, like little kids, you mess with little kids, man. And if you could get them comfortable in talking, they're amazing, though, creatures. Yes. There's a great, I used to always put kitchen soup for the soul by my toilet. Yeah. And I know it's funny. And I would read it. And there's one story in there. And it was this guy, they had a baby and they are getting ready to take the baby home to the hospital. And they had a daughter that was like, five or six or whatever. It was like, let me be with the baby. We're in the hospital, I want to get home, let me be with the baby. And they're like, there's the jealousy thing, or like, they didn't know really what's going on. They get home, they set up the crib, and they put the

baby in the baby room with the crib. And she's like, Hey, can I, I need to see the baby. Can I see the baby? Yeah, be quiet, don't wake her up and go in and see the baby. And they're kind of peeking through the crack in the door, and watching, and the little girl goes up and she says, Hey, she says, tell me what God looks like, because I'm starting to forget. And it's like, and that's like a crazy fucking idea. And a crazy idea. Like, I know, like, I have a memory that predates my birth, right? Like I have a, and I don't know if that's a, some machination of my, of my own, you know, illustration of my greatness or whatever. It's kind of weird, arrogance that like, I predate, like, I have a memory and a vision of this time when I'm floating

in blackness and space, and that, that I existed. And I thought it was strange that I'm coming down to these people to be in their home, you know, like kind of thing, like really odd. And, and then I talked, the more I say that, like I talked to other people that have similar experiences sometimes, you know, it's only odd from the POV of this culture, from the POV of a large percentage of humans on the planet. That's just, yeah, that's normal. Yeah. I mean, you're going to get like, the Dawkins school and the, uh, Richard Dawkins. That's a great idea for a new cover band like Richard Dawkins. It's like people got this replace Dawkins lyrics with Richard Dawkins. Richard Dawkins. I think we need people like that. For what purpose? Well, I think that he helps me

because people like him and Hitchens, who say things like, and I'll misquote it, but when they say things like, uh, something like lack of evidence, there's a great atheist quote. The guy that wrote the God delusion, right? Yeah. And then, and then we like, so, so I used to get really, Hitchens was beautiful. I get annoyed with atheists sometimes and skeptics, but then if I stop being annoyed and, and really take what they're saying and try to apply it to my life, I get annoyed on semantics though of it, of like, you're not really, if you're an atheist, I mean, and correct me if I'm wrong, you're more learned on this than I am for sure. But like, if you're an atheist, you're, the same coin is a believer. The very same, you're just the other, you're the taker.

Well, no, I think they would say absolutely not. I would say that because a believer is saying, I know Jesus Christ is the way and the light or whatever and no way to have an accept through him type thing, right? And the atheists would say, I know there's no God and they just turned dirt and you're back into dust. I don't, I don't think all of them say there's no God. They just say, let's keep things where we can prove it with evidence. So that's a lot of agnostic then. That's without knowledge of what that would be, right? And that's kind of where I feel like I'm at. If those are the correct definitions, I don't know. I'm open to whatever, but like, there's no way that we humans know. Well, I mean, I, the way I look at it is,

okay, fine. On one level, no God, all atoms, that's it. Right. Fine. Got it. Believe it. I know it's true. And thank God, people like you are analyzing the universe at this level only without getting obstructed by some kind of philosophical metaphysical bullshit. Because thanks to you, there's radiation therapy that cured my cancer that, you know, there's like, there's great, great. I didn't know the doctrines made radiation. Well, no, but, but the scientific But that's the other fallacy, though, isn't it? The, the, well, there's either science or there's God. Well, that's bullshit. That's what people that have an agenda do. And they separate those two things. And I think they're the same thing. There's a bunch of different, again, it's, there's no one

way of looking at it. A lot of people like Crowley, who I love, who's like one of the Alistair. Yeah, he's a great occultist. His, one of his great sayings was our method is science, our aim is religion. So his approach to it was we will use this, we'll use empiricism, we will, we will use only only, we will only use what can be proven, we will use, we will be very strict in our data gathering. And the results of our experiments, we will be very strict in noting what happens and not up, not pretend something happened that didn't, because that's how we'll get to the truth. So it's, there's a lot of different ways of looking at it. But the way I see it is this. When I, I cannot deny the fact that when I pray, especially gratitude related prayers, if I just

start saying thank you to some kind of super intelligence in the universe, and I start doing that regularly, I get happier, synchronicities happen more. The most powerful prayer in the world is thank you. Amazing things happen. And I can't deny that evidence. Even if I was to write down, but then you can easily argue that also and say, well, yeah, you're controlling your brain and the patterns in your mind and the sentences into the neurons to go ahead, but I don't care. I don't care. I just want results. So to me, it's like, if, if you want to get caught up in whether or not by saying these words, yeah, go ahead. Like I put a thing out and it was like reasons people rape people and three check marks, right? Like

short dressed or whatever, you know, the skippy clothing, flirtation, because I'm a rapist and like the third box is the only box. Like it's, like it's, and then, and I put that because I saw it, I thought it was funny and I was like, how, you know, like what a cogent idea. Like, of course, like it's only a rape. Like it's, that's what it is. It's a sickness in that kind of a way. And it's not any of these other things and anybody else that tries to do any kind of a signaling on a victim is a scumbag and whatever. And then there's all these conversations about it underneath that I never even look at, right? Because I'm like, bitch, I'm not here to argue on the god damn internet. You don't believe how much shit I got going on in my life. I'm sorry

that you have all that. I've got this one guy. You must make a t-shirt. You got to make a t-shirt that says, bitch, I'm not here to argue on the internet. I got shit to do. I would wear on the back. I would wear that all the time. So good. Um, yeah, I'm not here to argue on the internet either. And I'm not here to like, so like, I'm really in agreement with that. Like, I'm just here for the function and performance of it. If it's this, if it's that, like, whatever. Yeah, I don't think Jesus, I'm with it. Cool. Yeah. And this is, I think it's a, all atheists must perform the experiment. Uh, if they want to approach this stuff, they must perform the experiment of spending a nice month or a year, do all the actions. However long they think it takes to like,

perform an experiment, spend some time. Because without that, there's no, there's no, there's no real like thoughtful looking at the other side of it to go, okay, no, I know all about this. To think that you know all that, like contempt that there's a great quote contempt prior to invent, there's a, there's a principle, which is a bar against any information. Um, and, and against that will win any argument. And that is contempt prior to investigation or leave a man and everlasting ignorance, right? Wow. And that's huge, right? But how often we all get that? And until we really dive into it then, it's like, you don't know anything. You've got some ideas about Christianity or you've got some ideas about being Harry, but unless you live that shit and really

go, okay, I'm going to listen to all the greatest thinkers in this thing. And then I'm going to do all the actions that they do on a daily basis with the discipline. You might not really know what the fuck you're talking about. You can't write. That's the thing. And it's an intentional, I believe you're intentionally cutting yourself off from that level of things, because you don't want to deal with it right now. Maybe you're not here to deal with that shit right now. Maybe you're just here to deal with other stuff that like atoms or mitosis or the splitting atoms or all the wonderful things that are making the world so incredible. Maybe that's where you're focused. Those new silicone breasts that come out that are so soft, they're like real. I thought

they already had those. So good they have them. Well, there you go. That's all thanks to people who are godless. No, it is evil sinners. No, I'm completely and fully into the church of heresy. I mean, like all that, like any, you just got to question all these things, man. And then be nice and kind. The thing that I have a problem with like some of those guys is they get, it's like Nietzsche is like, he's such a negative Nelly, you know what I mean? It's like, you get into these things where it's just like, you're just sad. And so like, is your sadness and you not ever dealing with how your dad treated you or whatever? Is that coloring your whole narrative that is your philosophy now? Yeah. You know, and like the Dawkins or the like, if you're going to take that route,

man, smile a lot and be super kind and put your hand out and hug a lot of people because that shit is important. They don't want to. They're angry. And you know, man, I feel bad for them. It's like, that is why you get cancer. There was a thing called the age of, do you know the age of faith? Have you ever heard of that term? I have. So I just, you know, I'm, I'm a, I love reading, but the older I get, I think the dumber I get. So I've actually, I think, even worse, man, I've been curious about communism. So I ordered a comic book breakdown of Karl Marx. So it's breaking down all the philosophies that made Karl Marx and it's showing the different periods in human history. It's great. And it's actually Nixon to learn about history. It's actually pretty well done.

At least you get a little bit. That's what I feel. At least I'll get a little bit, but it did say that the, the, you know, there was a time period in human history during the time of the great inquisition where talking like this, the way we're talking right now would get you murdered by crazy people who believed in a very specific kind of God. But really these crazy people, they didn't maybe so much believe in God. They just figured out a way to get a lot of power by tricking dumb people into believing in an invisible thing. And because of that, they put a fucking, the brakes on human discovery for a nice long time. Well, we're still happy. Well, if you look at ISIS in America, but if you, if you look at what's

happening with ISIS, imagine that's a version of this very same thing, which is religious fundamentalists using their religion as an excuse to oppress people and to hold up the paradigm they need. First thing, I was having a great conversation with a friend the other day, a group of people and I'm talking about like the little parents or something like that. And then one of them started laughing and pointing at another one and she says, what? She goes, remember when you said you read that? She goes, I did read that. And she goes, oh, tell them how you read it. And so I go, well, how'd you read it? And she says, Wikipedia, which was like, I thought that's so good. It's like a comic book. But anyway,

the whole thing about ISIS too, you know, like, when you respond to gossip or negativity or whatever, like, like a troll on Twitter or something or whatever, that makes him bigger. Oh, now he's on. Yeah, kind of thing. And so like, I wonder, like, I don't know the scope, but I know like a woman that I really love that's a Medevac pilot and there's fucking horrible shit that's happening in Northern Iraq right now. The fucking awful thing. The shirt that I'm wearing, my cousin is a Navy seal and he got shot and he's in recovery right now. And I didn't even know we were at war last spring, right? Like type of shit. Like we're in gunfights all the time. Tim Kennedy is in fun, like he's in service and he is out there protecting people as a top notch

ranger because there's fucking bad people doing bad shit. The other side of that is like, we've decimated Iraq and we're into this position and ISIS is what 20,000 people deep or something like that. I don't know. It's not a whole bunch of guys. And the more we pay attention to that, I'm like, what is this distraction about also? I kind of also think that because we don't send troops there. We have minimal forces there that it's like we're mired into feet in that way. It's kind of like going into Vietnam, which is a false flag event. And like, like, I just wonder on the scope of history, like where we have, so my point is we have psychopaths, is everybody that's in power anywhere, whether it's for a corporation or our government, are they all psychopaths?

Because there is like something that's happening here where people are playing with people's lives. They're not for all the patriotism and everything that every fucking politician and they're all voting against sending troops to where it would make an area safer and make less people die. And they're kind of committed to not winning or it seems weird, man. It's like we have a lack of you don't want to win a fucking war. God Jesus, if you're a weapons manufacturer, the last thing you want is to win a fucking war. And so like, well, that's what I say is like when we have psychopaths in charge of things, it's like corporations. I rail against corporations all the time. I think our government is just a shadow of corporations. I mean, I don't think that it's obvious. And

if you don't think that you're retarded, Jimmy Carter just said thinking it through Jimmy Carter. There's a girl, I'll send it to you. There's Jimmy Carter just came out saying just breaking out eyes like this is an oligarchy. We're in an oligarchy and we're all of our wonder his awareness come to that when he was president. I don't know if it's like tied into the fact that he got this cancer diagnosis. Yeah, it seems like that, man. But he was always kind of proud. And they say he's one of the smartest guys ever to sit in the chair. Yeah, man. And it is an oligarchy. And he's colored as a dummy. Yeah, right. Jimmy Carter. What do they say? He loves jelly beans? Or was that Reagan?

Oh, yeah. He's the peanut guy, peanut farmer. That's it. Carter the peanut farmer. It's weird, though. I mean, so when you look at that and you look at when we talk about spiritualism, when you talk about like a transcendence is what we're all looking for, whether we know it or not. I think that's what we want, right? And so I rail against these corporations. But corporations are just things. They're tools. It's like a fucking gun or a microphone. It's just a tool. It's nothing. As long as it's used with the conscience of humanity, right? But the problem is that there's people that are maybe they're almost like Asperger-type people, like accountants are like a lot of those guys think in a certain way. And so they'll not think about humanity so they can

think about our profit margin that's greater for stockholders or whatever. Here is the job. And it's like at a certain point, if I'm a corporation, I am a corporation owner and a few different ones, I want everybody to have health care. Like I did that before any of the fucking Obama forced people to it made it worse for me when he did it made it more expensive. But it's like I wanted everybody that works with me to like I want everybody to be taken care of my friends. And if they get hurt, I'm going to pay out of my own pocket anyway. So let's make sure everybody gets taken care of. You know what I mean? It's like and and so like that's what I mean about corporations with humanity. You've got to have somebody steering it that has a conscience

and that has a loving kind of exposure to the world. And we don't have that at a certain point anymore. And I don't know what happens because it's kind of maybe coupled with the idea that like people that are liberals in their 20s and 30s become conservatives in their 40s 50s and whatever. I don't think we ever had it. Like I don't know when we like the whole system and this is not just because I briefly read a comic book on Karl Marx. He's read more than comic books folks. But the whole system, the way the thing works is at least after having read this it does seem to make sense. Please refute it if you can. But the idea is the person who owns the production facility, whatever it may be, the person who has the capital. Right. Right. He uses that capital

to buy life energy from workers. Right. That's just the way it works. So I hire you and basically what I'm doing is I'm saying if you will give me eight of your life energy, eight of your breathing hours, I'm going to pay you $30 an hour. But I'm going to convert that $30 an hour into a profit for me of $20 an hour. So or $60 an hour or whatever. Right. So what ends up happening there is that the worker always gets the same amount of money per week. But the boss always gets more and more and more and more and more and more and more money. And that has created the situation, the inevitable situation where 1% of the people on earth have 90% or 99% of everything in the world because the end result of that mixed in with inheritance laws is that all the stuff gets

sucked away and then it gets sucked out of the people and that's just the way it works. Contracts are like, even if you have a doll or something and your doll sells well, you get like a pittance for that, right? Right. But when you die, you know what your kids get? What? Nothing. Like it's not even part of your estate. Like all that shit, like whatever you've done, if you're getting royalties for something, that goes away on your dad. There you go. Yeah. It's like, it's and the government does that in a big way. We're going through that with my dad. It's fucked. But I mean, I like saying that. There's something that's bought and paid for you on this track land. It's worth 50 grand when your dad bought it and now it's worth $300,000.

Hello my beautiful angels. We're going to take $150,000 for it on his death, even though it's been paid for in full and like that's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. And there's a lot of different methods of gaming the system like that. And you know, there's got to be a middle line there. You know, it doesn't have to all be like what, because like if you read, that's it's scary what Marx wanted. There's like 10 things that he wanted. And it's I consider it just fucked, man. It's like, you know, there's no, no more private property, everything. It's not that man. It's that because like I really one, one of the, one of the things I read that he said, which made a lot of sense. He's like,

a lot of you are upset when we say that we are against private property. But most of you don't have private property. Just so you know, most of you don't own shit. The majority of the world doesn't own shit. They're all renters. They don't own nothing. Don't think you own anything because you don't want even right now. It's not a good time to I'm ready. All right. But the point is who owns it? You know, like I'm renting this house. My car is a lease. I don't own it. I own these microphones, my computer that that's mine. But in general, most people don't own anything anyway. But Marx was saying, you know, it seems like what he was saying, God forgive me for saying Marx was saying,

because who the fuck knows what he's saying? He said a billion things in a billion different ways. Most of which contradictory and everything else. But one, but what he was advising is all inheritance goes to the state. There's no tax. If you die, it all goes to the state. All inheritance goes to the state. All property is absorbed by the state. We create worker armies, which is me. You get like groups of people who are no longer attached to their family. I feel like he's not very involved. Marx. Well, I mean, he was a fucking genius and one third of the planet follows his philosophies. But it's like China. So that's awesome. I hear from what I understand,

being a citizen of China is awesome. Well, we don't actually, I don't hear that. I hear that you can go to work and gases you'll work with will melt your face off. You'll die young. If you're a woman, you won't even be born. Well, yeah, there's no argument. No, there's no argument. If you look at history, that that method does not seem to work very well. Yeah, why I say not very evolved, it's like you can't take out the human component, right? And so all men aren't created equal, regardless of what your daddy told you, right? That's just not, it's not true. We're all born into different spots and places in our lives. Not just like, I was born under whatever, like I'm George Bush's kid or something. It's like, that's not what I

mean. What I mean is like, we have different skills, talents and awareness. We're born with maybe different awareness of consciousness. Of consciousness, right? Yeah. And so that being the case, under a Marx, that person is going to be imprisoned or killed because he's going to be troubled. A person that's of a higher elevation, because you're not going to be satisfied with just being a worker in that kind of a concert. Well, they, I mean, that, yeah, that and a zillion other things, which is like, what, you're going to fucking take away my family's property that's been in their family forever. Like that. But the problem is this, man. So, okay, well, let's, we won't do anything. Let's just let things keep going the way that they go. And if things keep

going the way that they go, then all that happens is the rich will continue to get more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more. They will control all the politics, if they don't already, they'll control all the politicians, if they don't already. So, so that, so all that, all that ends up happening is the disparity between haves and has nots grows. And inevitably, when that disparity gets to a certain level, which it isn't close to, at least in this country, I mean, back when Marx was spewing all this stuff out, like they were sending toddlers to go into factories to work. But you can already see it in other places. Like, I was in Columbia last summer for a job and it's like the, the, the chasm between rich and poor

is profound. Right. It's like, it's perfect. And that only grows. And that's happening. And then I go, Oh, because they're not so far ahead. I'm like, this is kind of where America's going. Like, you can feel it. It's like, palpable. You're like, Oh, I can see the direction we're moving. Right. And that's a big problem because we're moving into third world status, but it gets even worse when you consider the fact that within the next 40 years, self-driving cars and AI and robotics are going to, that's the movie I'm doing right now. Really? It's about AI and all that kind of stuff, like in the future. It's crazy. AI taking people's jobs. Well, it's about AI. It's about the idea. Like when I was telling you about the thing about the computer and the sad and all that,

why am I sad and all that computer answering? Yeah. He was saying, you know, they became so much that if you were typing into computer, you were typing into computer and a bot was, was here answering. And I'm asking you both questions. I'd be able to kind of tell who was the human and who was the bot. Yeah. You know what I mean? Even if you're like, Oh, I don't have enough RAM to answer that. Oh, that's cute human that's making up a thing or something or whatever. But like, they said, so it started to become like 50, 50, where people would get it right or who was the human who was the bot. And they go, which is kind of weird. And he goes, Oh, I thought maybe 51. He goes, no, if it went to 51, 49, it'd be really bad because that would mean that the computer

was more human than the human. Yeah. That's called passing the Turing test. And that's like, when they talk about singularity and stuff. That's on the way there. Yeah. Right. So, but my, I don't know my thing, like, you know, Elon Musk, you just donated $10 million or whatever. Yeah. That's, you can't fight it for one. I think that's weird that he did that because there's no way that you can stop. You can't stop this ball of evolution that's going. You can't stop it. You can't stop it. Adam Baum, like, even if people knew all of that, they go, we know this is good. They, you can't stop it. You can't stop progression, which is a weird thing. He's got to know that. Well, the problem for me isn't that like, it's, it's not the, the schism that we have

that's between rich and poor or whatever. The whole problem, the crux of it for me lies in accountability of just like we're talking about, like I run from it in my own personal life. My life gets sadder and worse. Right. I stand up for it and I own myself, then my life gets better. So the same thing, thusly for our country or for our world, you know, to not speak in a nationalistic way is that what we need is accountability. What we do not have is accountability. You know, when we have corporations like Verizon or Bank of America that paid zero, zero taxes last year was like $12 billion in profit. That's insanity. That is, that's a cancer. That's a sickness. I had to have politicians then that are co-signing that to make that okay.

That's, that's a, that's fucking abhorrent. That's horrific. And so we have zero accountability for that. So when, like, I don't know where your taxes are, but like last year or whatever, I went through the 1% and I was like, fuck, yeah, I'll tell you what, it's not so great. Because I'm in the bottom end of that pool and that pool is fucking huge. Right. You make a couple of $300,000 a year. Awesome. You know what, you're still kind of in the same place I was, if I made 40 grand a year, it's not like a huge deal. The people that have the fucking money, money, money, they're talking about the 0.01% of the 1% at the top have like something like 90% of it. It's not just like people say the 1% a lot, but when you put it into the scope and

contextually what it is, it's fucking crazy. And I pay the same taxes that those guys pay that are making billions of dollars. And that is really insane. Oh, at like 50%, 48%. Well, not only, but I mean monetarily. It's like, they, there's ways to hide those ones. You see big buildings that are just empty all the time. You're like, I wonder how on Fifth Avenue they keep that building. That's a skyscraper. Tax write up. What company needs a $50 million a year, whatever that is, staying empty tax rate. Like, and so they come to a zero sum. And then they, they accrue interest on the building as it appraises at a higher value each year. And then they have something to borrow. Like that's fucking crazy. Well, there you go, man. I mean, you see

that is what you're describing there is the problem, which is that obviously that is happening that way. Because the, what happens is the bosses get richer and richer and richer. They become that 0.01%. That's an insanity, right? But then they start controlling the, the governments of the world. And then when they start controlling the governments of the world, then all that's going to happen is things, the system is only going to be built to keep them in power and to keep everyone else out. You're going to want to tax people as much as you can to keep them weak and quiet, because you don't want them to get up to where you're at, right? Because I want all prisoners, whether you're a prisoner that works at Walmart and it's too dumb

to know you're a prisoner or whether you're an actual prisoner that's behind bars. That like, if I'm in power, that's what those people are looking for, right? But the thing is, is like, when we talk about this God field or whatever, you know, this, this, this Bay of Souls that we all come from and go to and exist within if we're aware enough. The thing is, is that we look, or some people, it's easy to look. And I think there's a trick that gets played. It's like a magic trick. It's like the same kind of magic trick, like I see somebody on TV and I'm like, Oh my God, and then I see them in real life. And that's, and you're just in awe. And it's like, they've done nothing except been broadcast somewhere. It's not, it's virtually nothing,

literally, right? It doesn't mean I'm more valuable or it doesn't mean anything. And so, but the same kind of thinking goes into the thing when we see a duck covered in oil after an Exxon Valdez spill or something like that. And we're like, huh, what, you know, or maybe even if we look it, we're sad and we go clean up a couple bucks and work for Greenpeace, which like almost nobody does, but the real guilt ridden that are like, I need to make a difference. And you're not making a difference, but awesome that you want to try. I get it. And like, when you go into that kind of thing, the idea that I can look at that and not care about it and not be fucking just like, feel like bile come up is because I think that I'm not that duck.

Right? Yeah. And that's that I am the same in the same environment. That's, that's part of my food source. That's all part of me. That's all. And I'm thinking that I'm separate from that. You know, and it's like that vision that I keep having about like standing with a little boy at the fucking edge of the ocean and him going, Daddy, what was it like when I could, when you could swim? You guys used to swim. What does it feel like? Because we're at a place right now where it's coming where we can't be the earth is belching up our secrets and our lies and our despicable acts back onto us. And we're not able to function in this world. We're not able to eat food that's healthy. And we're running from it in a way. And so like, at what point is it that,

I mean, there's no way we're headed for anywhere but destruction, right? The only thing we can have is a spiritual revolution of some kind and a consciousness and you got to vote with your dollars. That's the only way. Why do I pay fucking more money for a cup of coffee and go decide where I want to go or for grass fed meat? Or why do I go farm to table and I give a big portion of K-man coffee proceeds to them so that they can fight corporate domination over the farmlands because I want small farmers to win. I need everybody to be sustainable. I need to go and support these people. And fuck yeah, if your eggs are fucking $4 at the supermarket and the farmers are eight, I'd rather buy them from the farmer and know that I'm going to get good health. You know what

I mean? Because that feeds my body, man. And so it's nourishment. Like most of us are eating just to get through life and get through the day. But this is the nourishment of my soul, it guides my mind, it guides my emotions, and it guides where I go through the day consciously. And it's what I stand for. And yeah, that's worth a fucking couple more dollars. And so like, that's the thing is like, the only way through is a change in our consciousness, a spiritual change, and then a voting with our dollars. Like, how does that start the spiritual change? I think through conversations like this, you know, what I think, you know, but if I'm listening right now, one of my guys told me this, he goes, Hey, the spiritual way of life,

90% of it is having good manners when you don't want to. Hmm. Right? It's like, I don't feel like having good manners and fuck you. And then everybody understands. That's so great. Well, he's not really that way. He was in a bad mood or whatever. I don't want to be forgiven for a bad mood. I want to have you not know I was in a bad mood. I want to be able to be fucking loving and gracious in my inner changes with people all the time. So that's my goal. So then I try to walk carefully. So then I become what they call God conscious, which is I'm conscious of the God that's around all the time, because I'm conscious, which is another word for aware of my steps and where I'm putting them, because it doesn't fucking matter very goddamn

much. If you got a brand new pair of bad ass fucking shell toe to D design, and you're just like, my white new shoes, I'm out here pimping and silver Lake fucking awesome. And and I walk by and I'm just texting on my phone and I step on your shoes and your shoes are all fucking dirty now. Now, I didn't mean that. Right. I was just not aware. I was self absorbed. Right? Yeah. Does it make your shoes less dirty that I didn't mean it? So living intentionally, this God consciousness has become super interesting to me of like, I want to live with intention and have like, I have dominion over where I put my goddamn feet. I just need to be thoughtful about it. Right. And so I think that's the thing. I think it starts right there. We can all be more thoughtful everywhere. You

know, I used to think, what's my problem? My girlfriend, you know, why is that? I go, oh, because I take her for granted, because I'm a selfish self absorbed guy. And what I mean by that is like, like, it doesn't come out that way. People I don't think would characterize me that way. But when I look at it and I look at the depths of it, I go, there's birds on me that need to be brushed off. And I need to be polishing that constantly. How does that show up for me? It shows up because I go, if I'm having a shitty day, I'll be like, I'll be short. I won't be as kind as loving maybe a hug or this or that or whatever happens, whether it's with my mom or my friends or whoever, because you know me. And you know, I'm not like that. Right. And so I take it for granted.

I don't have to have manners around those close. That's bullshit. Wow. Right. That's such an easy thing to do. Who do we have the best manners with? Strangers. Right. The lady at the supermarket. I feel good because I was like, Oh, how was your day today, Margaret? It's really nice. Thank you. Yeah. No, I didn't need paper, not plastic. And you're super kind and nice and gracious. That person, you get home. You're like, and she's like, Hey, how was your day? It's okay. Whatever. I don't want to talk about it. What? That's rude. Anybody would characterize that as rude. Right. We accept all this behavior from ourselves. Right. And I go, man, I need to be more conscious. I need to raise my awareness. You know, and I think that's where it starts. I mean, I needed a spirituality

that I could sink my teeth into that I could walk on because people would talk about this stuff. And it seems like he's ethereal wisps of error. They're just out of your reach that you get an idea of. And it's like, where does it start? And I would, I would ask guys, and this guy told me that man, he was 90% of the spiritual way of life is having manners when you don't feel like it. Love it, man. Really beautiful, right? Tate, that's a great way to wrap up this podcast. Thank you for coming, sir. Tell me, tell, tell, do a quick plug for us. Okay. Well, I'm a, I'm a pervader of fine coffee beans. And, and I love it. And you can find us at cavemancoffee.com. And we do, you know, we're very careful about where we get it from, who we work with, we work with one single

farm of guys that we know, Lacey is down right now in Columbia visiting the farm. And she also works for a superstar that was the star of Mission Impossible. I can't remember. But like, so she's doing all that kind of thing. And so she and Keith Dardeen and myself started this coffee company, caveman coffee, you can check us out anywhere. The way was cerveza.com is a little micro brew that me and another buddy started, which is dope. And you can find that on Instagram, too. You can find me at Tate Fletcher, my name is TAIT. And I'm easy to find. And you can see me in upcoming films, I guess. Awesome. Let's hear them. Which ones? The accountant, Ben Affleck will be out soon. There's something called Blood Father with Mel Gibson. I'm in

Sicario with James Rowland, Vinicius Del Toro and Emily Blanc. Just a little thing in that, but it's awesome. I hope it all comes out. I get to yell and Spanish fucking get these guys out of the car and killing everybody. It's rad. And then we've got a TV show. There's a great new TV show coming out on HBO called Westworld with Anthony Hopkins and Ed Harris. You're in that. Yeah. Yeah. I've been working on that for the last three weeks. Wow. And that's all about AI and about Westworld. I know it. I know what it's based on, man. Yeah. Fuck yeah. So doing that. And then the next couple of days, I'm on a show called The Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., a Marvel TV series. And so that'll be out probably in a couple of weeks, I don't know. I think that's it. And yeah.

It's great you're doing so good, man. You're an inspiration, Tate. Man, it's a pleasure, dude. I feel so fortunate. And I really, like I say it all the time, I'll say it to you right now. And it's super important to me that people know because you don't know where anybody goes. But you make an impact. You make a huge impact on me. And I'm glad you're my friend. And it's important. We have those people around that your heart feels full and you feel risen up by. And you're definitely one of those guys. And it matters. It matters a lot. And I thank you so much, man. Thanks for this inspiration. You're a super cool guy. I feel the same way, Tate. Thanks, man. All right. Thanks for listening, everybody. A big thank you to Casper Mattresses.

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