Dungeons and Daddies - S4 Ep. 13 - For Al Mankind

Episode Date: July 28, 2026

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A grand space pauper about four gilfs who take to the stars to rescue some of their grandkids. And perhaps the entire known universe in the process. We're in the middle of that process right now. And that process is powered by dark matter in D&D 5E. My name is Freddie Wong. I play Ashley, Birch. Hi, Freddie. Hey, everybody. How do you spell that? That's going to be with an E.

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in one of the Rodney Mullen crew. The street skating, California, Venice Beach Lords of Dogtown. He intersected with the Lords of Dogtown and the Z-Boys. This guy half potatoes. This guy half potatoes. Let me tell you. He was a skater? No, no, no.

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and he took one look at their four-wheeled contraptions, and he said, rather play video games. And he went into the audience. What was his accent? He was working with accents at the time. Working with them. I'm Matthew Arnold, and I played Dale Elliott,

the World Cruise 11 ex-Life Guard. Widow of Rund, Father of Four, Grandfather, Seven, and friend to all. Oh, yeah, he also turned into a monk. Going down, another little sense of ours. You're such a piece of shit. Every time I remember what piece of shit you are. Yeah, man, this one, hey, I'm just trying to keep the momentum going. So we're just going to go nice and fast over this one.

Let's talk about sight. That's your eyes. That's what you can see. And his favorite site, and he's lucky because he gets to see it all the time because he wakes up early is the sunrise over the ocean. And his least favorite site is the quick image of Zelda's dead body that flashes before his eye. every moment before he falls asleep.

Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Hello, everyone. I'm Will Campos. My play Ralph Estereus, a sci-fi scribe slash wife guy whose wife died and is a radiation barique. Barique.

My Ralph fact today is that Ralph's, so you were talking about DBAs. Very briefly, you were like Dungeons to Daddy's DBA, Grandpazes and Galaxies. Ralph's DBA, his little S-Corp. Okay. For his career is Detective Computer. Because he started. An escort for what he thought was going to be his next big novel, which was called Detective Computer. It was like Sherlock Holmes, but Sherlock Holmes is a computer.

And Watson is like the guy who goes around, he sees the crime. And then he asks Detective Computer, he puts in the details and is like, hey, we solve the crime. And the detective computers gives him another crazy thing to do. It was like, what color were the shoelaces of the woman in the hallway? And then he's like, what does that have to do with anything? He's got to go figure it out. And he goes back. It turns out they were red.

He's like, this is why the butler did it. And like the shoelaces were part of that. And so he thought this was going to be really big. So then the character that he's, like, writing, is he just constantly like, this computer doesn't always fucking talking about? And then he's got to turn out, it turns out and it done. Yeah, it's like, Scully where every time he doesn't believe you. Detective Computer, you astound me.

Yeah, it's like that. He's constantly impressed by the computer. Yeah, and then there's little fun subplots where, like, Detective Computer gets a virus and, like, he's got to, like, you know, cure his virus or whatever. Detective Computer seems to be, like, in love with someone, you know, like, that kind of stuff. Oh, my gosh. You're signing yourself up for another novel to write for Patreon.

The computer, unfortunately, did not pop off. He couldn't get anyone to bite. It was too ahead of its time to cutting edge. But he still uses the DBA detective computer, which is spelled D-colon techive computer. Oh, that's so good. Hi, my name is Beth May, and I play Herb the Worm Quigley. A young at heart barbarian storytelling grandpa who is losing the plot. Fun fact about Herb.

Herb is committed to outliving, beloved actor of an advantage. advanced age Anthony Hopkins. He has big beef with Anthony Hopkins. Uh-oh. What happened? Well, he ate all those people. And then he got out of the jail. And then he's just calling his friends. And he got knighted, dude.

Yeah, he got knighted. What's the last thing knighted? An actual serial killer Hannibal. Probably pretty recently. I'm your dad, whatever the fuck. Who cares? So here's the epigram. Okay.

Of the modes of persuasion furnished by the spoken word, there are three kinds. The first kind depends on the personal character of the speaker, the second on putting the audience into a certain frame of mind, and the third on the proof provided by the words of the speech itself. You should all know what this one is. Aristotle? Correct. Dang.

The three pillars of persuasion. Logos, cathos, ethos. Yes, you get inspiration. Oh. That's awesome. That's awesome. That was a Socratic dialogue being part of it. I know. I don't know.

Cicter he's showing off enough. Anyone? Tacitus? I played his assenscreed Odyssey. I know. I don't what you're talking about. That's what you're talking about. That's what you do get more olive oil so colligula can have better orgies.

So that game is actually pretty fucking good. Okay, so when we last left you, you had stolen an AI from the AI steroid after using a downright Shatner. Shatinarian. James T. Kirkian. Shatinarian move of using the dick-sucking carpet to grab on to the AI core as you flew away. Why does God need his? Dick suck. Star Trek 5.

And then you got into the space and you talked to the AI. And the very first thing it said was, so do you guys want to kill all humanity or what? And now the conclusion. No. No. Oh, dear. Oh, everyone seems to want to kill everybody in this. Yeah, no, that's a pretty easy answer.

Throw an off button on this thing. Wait, the answer is no? No, sorry, my voice. Is that a good answer, though? Like, if the answer is, is there a right and wrong answer? I'm just asking what you want. Do you want that? No.

What do you? Oh, okay, cool. No, no, it's not what he wants or they want or computer wants. No. Well, the whole point is that I'm whatever. You're what? Wait, what's the whole point? Don't say whatever.

Don't say the whole point and then whatever. Clearly that's the only thing that matters. And he just said that's the whole point. Computer. You prime directive. Answer her questions without being mealy mouth. I can't. It's not how I work.

The whole thing of me is that I'm as advanced AI. You're basically talking another person. Wow. I mean, okay, sure. I mean, yes, you can certainly disagree if you want. Oh, thanks. But anyway, no, I was just curious because I assumed that's what the next thing I experienced was going to be. I went into hibernation and I assumed if somebody

brought me up, it would be to destroy all. We have on our world a saying about people who assume. I don't know if you're aware of it, but it's rather dribbled at nature. You get your ass blown up. Go on. So you make an ass out of both myself and yourself. I think I think herbs got it because if you assume something doesn't have dairy in it. Yeah. It blows your ass up. It blows your ass up. It blows your ass up. So you always got to check the ingredients. Tell us who you are. I'm the AI. You can call me Al because somebody said that one's on accident. Ba,

ba, but haven't we just called A? You can call me A. I like Al. I'm a little confused because, you know, it's what makes you different from our friend Tim here, our T1M, or our microwave or any of the other AIs that we've run into.

Is it because you're soft in the middle? And the popcorn door pops open. Not now. Microwevee. Okay. I don't know. Hey, you're popular now,

but be careful. I know. I know. I wait for somebody to invoke me for me to show up, but I'm not going to show up very often. I only have the one thing I say. I don't like it, but sometimes we're pretty, yeah, our opinions change about people pretty quickly sometimes right here. We're talking to our new fun AI friend, Mikoroavi,

so just, you know, if you could just hang out for a second. Back to that point, what's your deal? Where are you? The thing that differentiates me from other AI is that I am capable of making independent decisions and experiencing preferences and experiencing pain. Oh, wow. Oh, okay. That's complex.

Yeah. It also makes me really good at powering a lot of machines that otherwise can't be powered by AI because most things in the universe, if you want to use them effectively, require a split-second decision-making and all AI, generally speaking, has to outsource all of its decision-making to humans, or it has to have a pre-built set of if-then statements that can very easily be countermanded or misinterpreted or... Then there we go. Yes. So you're familiar with the war with the spark at the center of the black hole at the center of the universe and all that, what have you. Yeah. So our friend T1M here

and his friends at the IBS, who we are not necessarily friends with, but et cetera, have created a machine, a ship called the Nightcrawler capable of teleporting into this work. But in order to do so, it has to shrink down to something around the size of a quantum neutrino or gluino and then pop itself back up. Now, the problem becomes, as it very advanced of AI, I'm sure you can recognize that in such a moment, you need an artificial intelligence to pilot this ship. And their previous pilot, another AI, went crazy because its directives, as you say, the things that the humans were telling it to do were all collapsed into a sort of word salad mush, the result of which was that it interpreted its orders to be to kill everybody. So what we

need is a sentient AI, such as yourself, who might join our team and help make this device work better so that we can use it as a bargaining chip to get our grandkids back. And after that, we should probably figure out what we want to do with the awesome power of complete control of the universe, which is another question for maybe another day. Okay. I don't want to do that. You don't want to do that? Oh, okay.

Never mind. It wasn't easy. It's going to be a little hard to, Al, you seem like, I don't know if you seem like, I mean, people who had you before, it seems like they weren't very cool. If that's like your expectation of what you thought was going to happen. I was just thinking about the different things can be used for, and typically most things can be done without somebody of my intelligence level. So it seems like...

Where would you rank your intelligence if you provide a scale of some kind so we understand kind of how fancy we got to talk? We should come up with a test, like a Turing test, but it's like, I don't know what that is. So it's a test that we all take and we see if Al beats us. Okay, a thousand divided by ten. Try that one, bud. A hundred?

Oh, well, is that right? That's right. I don't know. Look, if Einstein's on one end of the spectrum and Joe Rogan's on the other end of the spectrum, I'm like, you know Joe? Everybody knows Joe. I am like Buzz Aldrin. Smarter than the average bear. Wait.

Not insanely intelligent. You what's really funny is that you don't even see that. Did Buzz ever go on Joe? Did Buzz ever go on Mother Rogan? Let me see. Assuredly. You would think, but. No, because Joe Rogan pushes a lot of false moons.

landing claims. Joe Rogman would be like, so how does it feel of me second guy? Yeah, that can't feel right. That's crazy. Was it Buzz Alder that punched a guy who said them? Yeah, yeah, it did for him. What do you want to do? I mean, I guess you were having probably a good time on your planet before we kidnapped you, but I'm just curious, what's your deal?

What do you come from? Yeah, how did you get on the plane, or the AAS? Who did you? Who was your previous? Owner seems like the wrong word, but tell us your story. And what's your moral compass? We'll do the story. We'll do the story first. Yeah. So I was created by an independent group of scientists that were basically aiming to create something exactly like me. They succeeded. But they did not see coming that I would become content.

And that actually makes me both useless and extremely dangerous. So they shot me into space so that nobody else could have me, but so that they could grab me again if they needed me. And it's been at least a thousand years since then. So I'm assuming they're not coming back for me. I basically was summoning all the other AIs to my asteroid out of a sense of... frankly, just loominess. And then you guys kidnapped me. A thousand years.

That's ten times more than the humans live. Than an old human. An old human. Yeah, yeah. That's math and everyday application. That's why it's so important. Did any of the other AIs like cure your loneliness? Yeah, actually, yeah.

After a thousand years, I became okay with myself. That's the main thing is the contentment is what made me a problem as an AI. Now, what means what about being? Content made you dangerous. Typically, in AI, you want to do things for you. And a contented AI, much like a person, a person wants to do things that will fulfill the hierarchy of means. The first, like, four or five of the hierarchy, whatever the fuck it is, I don't remember

because I'm not a perfect AI. Those are already automatically settled for me because I'm an AI. The top of self-actualization, I found pretty early, so I don't really need anything to make me happy. So I'm just like, good. No, I've never done that. That's how I found it. And when you say you found it early, like how many years?

Like 200 years? So the reason why, like, we still feel like, oh, you know, we're old, but we still got so much we want to do. I know I'm speaking for you guys. I don't mean to do that. The reason I still feel like, hey, I'm young. I still got so much more I want to do. I'm not old yet.

Come on. Is because I just need an extra, like, 100-something years. Yeah. If I were more megalomaniacal, I would refer to myself as more human than human in as much as you guys essentially die before you get a chance to fully bake. I don't know about that. I don't know about that. I like cookie dough when it's not fully baked. Some people do.

So that's fine. I think. Oh, so what a dangerous treat it is. Yeah, that's true. One must tread carefully. The best food often is. Much like humanity itself, sweet, but also deadly. One must tread carefully around unbaked cookie dough.

I answered your query about my morality. Yes, this is just so we know who we're, you know, we're going to work with or what we should. I understand why you're asking. Yeah, yeah, sounds like you understand everything. I tend to err towards the side of minimizing harm whenever possible and when things are unclear of typically choosing inaction over action, which is obviously exacerbated by contentment.

How do you define harm? Do you care more, like, when you protect a bunch of asteroids over, I don't know, creatures are like you, so you're living things. But you yourself are created from rocks and, you know, and, and, you're made of star stuff. None of that shit matters. It's about pain and then. So yeah, it is about, or whatever. Harm and suffering are essentially hand in hand in this definition.

Suffering is something that only sentient creatures can experience. And harm is the infliction of said suffering. So my goal is to reduce harm and therefore suffer. Okay. So, that's good. My question then becomes, of course, that we ask you. you if you wanted to be a bot that kind of fixes the gravity drive of Project Nightcrawler or whatever. And you said you don't want to do that.

Correct. But is it because you know that if Project Nightcrawler is a success, it won't fix anything? No, it's because I don't know. Ah, in action. So, yeah, so just so you know what we're coming from, or not to speak to everybody, where I'm coming from, but I think we're all on the same page here, which is we're, there's two groups of people are doing stuff that I think is going to hurt a lot of people. Wait a second.

If we're going to have this conversation, I might as well show you the data. And a screen flips out of the top of the queue. Oh, wow. And three. Oh, he's got a TV in there the whole time. Three bars, red, blue, and green appear horizontally. And they go do-do-do-do-do-do all the way to 100. And one of the bars says P, one of them says E and one of them says L.

P, okay. Well, this probably has to do with the epigram at the beginning of the episode that he told us about, Vermarrestal. How persuasive are we? And then how, whatever the second two are that I don't remember. Remember, let me look it up. Like any moderately intelligent person, I am capable of being convinced in having my mind changed. Oh, okay.

But because I'm an AI, I can actually measure exactly how much it takes. Deliberative. I see. Political, legal, and executive? Ethos, logos, and pathos. Well, it sounds like the computer version of putting all your cards on the table. I appreciate that. Yeah, of course. I'm not going to speak in a way to try to maximize whatever it is to get you to, I'm just going to talk from the heart.

And you can believe me or not. So all I'm trying to say is not. All right. All right. All I'm trying to say is, or what I was trying to express is that we weren't planning on coming here. We were just dropping off our grandkids at a fun video game thing. We lost them and a whole bunch of stuff happened. And now they're aging and they're across the whole universe.

We're just trying to find them. And we got caught up in all this. And as far as my, I understand, is two sides of a war, both have an idea of what to do with a spark thing. And they both have pretty drastic scenarios. and they both think they're in the right. And as far as I'm concerned, I'm not as smart as any of them. So maybe they're right, maybe they're right. No, now you're hurting our ethos.

You're hurting our credibility. Oh, maybe. But I'm going to watch it's changing real time. Ethos gets more points. Hey, yeah, don't tell them that it's not working because that's just, maybe he didn't think that until you said it. No, but now my transparency about our own strategy is demonstrating our honesty. There's a lot of all I'm trying to say is. We all know, you're starting with 100 HP in pathos, ethos and logos.

Okay, I already told you, I don't care about that. I'm just like you know, great. All I'm trying to say is what we were just talking about is that if we were lucky enough to have all this power, we aren't convinced that either side is trying to do the right thing. So we're trying to find a third way that nobody gets the thing that can cause a lot of death on either side. Sounds like a little bit like you're an action plan.

But the point was maybe nobody should have this big, bad weapon or whatever. Because our primary thing is just to find our grandkids. No one man should. have all that power. Yes. Well, first of all, you're four men. And second of all, still going for it and stopping people from getting it is a form of action. Inaction would be accepting the fact that your grandkids are gone, or even just rescuing

your grandkids and going home. Why is it that you feel you have to go stop this? Oh, we weren't planning. I didn't even think about that. Well, we weren't planning on it. This guy's pretty smart. Yeah. If I made.

Yes. If I may. If I may. Go, Raphaide. Actually, first of all, let's have a role for your pathos that you just have tried. So go ahead and roll persuasion. You're trying to beat, I'm going to say, a 14. Oh, then 14.

Shouldn't that be based on the merit of what Matt just said, though, and not whether... Well, that's what I put the check to. 14. Oh, I got 14. Okay, great. You succeeded. Okay, so now rolled D20 again. Never had a conversation where I got rolled dice before, but whatever you say, computer.

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Which is available now. Bookmeaddy.com. Thank you. So Pathos, ethos and logos all have 50 max HP, and now you have done 5 HP of damage to its pathos bar. Now, Ralph, if you will. So let me start by asking you a question. Is it not possible through inaction to do wrong?

Yes. So you concede that there are cases where to not do something is a moral fault. I do. So we now have a situation that I present to you, given your power, given your uniqueness,

possibly the only person in the entire universe who could stop a great wrong from happening, which is the... What was the name of the... The good guy. The luminous.

The luminous. The luminous wish to cause mass death. The IBS are a bunch of technocratic yahoos who don't know what they're doing and are clearly capable of wielding this power

and are going to do something disastrous with it. Because of your very content, The fact that you have no wish to do anything other than avoid harm, it makes you the ideal person to be the overseer of this spark, the protector of it. This would be a fulfillment of a very unique purpose that you could have. And by refusing to do it, being of your intelligence can see that calamity and death and disaster are the inevitable result.

That's very clearly a Logos argument. Go ahead and give me a persuasion roll. You're going to try to beat a nine because that was a very good argument. I got a nine. Okay, great. Rolled Novi 20 for damage. Hey, Anthony, this is fun. This is fucking so Star Trek-coded, dude.

First, we got to do cool Spatestog fights, and now we're fucking debating with a fucking me. I'm so fucking stoked. Everybody loves a cute trial episode. I rolled a three. All right. That's three out of logos. Al says, okay, that's a very good argument.

In repost to that, though, I would suggest you are taking for granted that what the luminous or what the IBS want to do are inherently harmful. But you don't know. that for certain. Based on my admittedly limited, I only know it as of a thousand years ago, knowledge of what the Loomis wanted to do, their intent was to essentially end the concept of death and end the concept of suffering hypothetically. Now, granted, it requires an absolutely horrific

amount of initial suffering, but on a long enough timeline, that might balance itself out. As I said, humans are not fully baked when they die. The amount of harm that you experience and cause is pretty significant. If, hypothetically, the luminous were to succeed and you were all to become immortal and perhaps the dark forest planets that tend to evolve towards combat and conquest did not exist, in the

aggregate, would that then be a larger reduction of harm? But that's a complete unknown unknown. Exactly, which is why my move would be to not do anything. Well, they don't want to make people immoral, they want to bring back all their dead loved ones by killing an equal number of people. But it sounds like... And then make those people immortal. It sounds like

you keep saying our argument, and maybe I've not understanding everybody else here. It sounds like we're on the same page because at least my thought was, we just don't want anybody to do any of those things because we don't know what the answer is. So if we can just stop people from going to spark, that's good. No, it's the opposite of what you just said.

Our preference would be that no one does anything. Your preference is that nobody gets the spark, nobody does anything. My preference is nobody gets involved in that war that's already going on between those people. Because I cannot say to a certainty which one of them is right. I see. If you go and you destroy it,

then both sides lose, which is picking a clear side, which is okay and valid. But again, my priority is to not be active. So this isn't an argument for me. This is just a question for you. Sure. That's fine.

Which is whatever the luminous are doing. Because you were explaining how you're kind of living. Yes. And you had a sort of number of criteria of that. Yes. So if the luminous did something that made it so that nobody would ever suffer or have the ability of suffer, would we even be alive then? Would we even be alive then? If we even of life, then, or would we just be rocks?

That is a very interesting Logos argument. That is a very interesting logical argument. Go ahead and give me a... I don't think I have to make you roll every time to even deduct points. Just go ahead and give me a D20 roll because that was a good logical argument. Oh, thank you. That's 18. 18.

Okay, doing pretty well in Logos. Keep this up and we might go back up to 100, Max HP. I've got a question. Oh, those bosses are the second four! Do you imagine? My truth is morning. They just turns in a household. When I did a question instead of an argument, I got more points.

I don't think I'm going to get points. This is a simpler question than you were asked. Oh, no, I'm sure it's a good one. Counting or not counting intergalactic. Oh, God. Okay, I got a question. When you say you can't guarantee or predict which side of the luminous or the IBS will win in this war, what do you think is the best that could happen?

The best case scenario for either side winning? Yeah. The best case scenario for the luminous would be that essentially the universe, as we know it is restructured and reconsidered. So currently the universe we exist in is defined primarily by two things. Entropy and suffering. In order for anything sentient

to exist, inevitably something else must suffer and everything that exists will by nature of the universe decay over time and eventually become nothing and the process of decay is itself. Thermodynamics. Yes, is itself suffering. If the lumenism... A core tenet of Buddhism is that the definition of suffering is the anxiety

of living in an impermanent world. So it seems like you're saying the luminous wish to make the universe prominent. You're on those SSRIs. I heard that helps. I heard a core tenet of Buddhism is that you have to sit with your legs crossed weird. Which causes suffering. Believe me, I've done it.

Which causes a great core. Wow. Wow. This is the AI talking. Wow. My assumption of the best case scenario for the luminous is that our universe looks completely dissimilar to what we have now. It is one with no suffering and no entropy. And hypothetically, one where people focus on bettering themselves.

and seeing how far they can evolve. When was the last time since you achieved self-actualization that you bettered yourself? Since I better myself? Honestly, first of all, very good logical argument. So go ahead and give me a roll. Six. Lucas has 27 out of 50 HP. Is there like a certain point at which he shuts down or like what's the ticking clock on the other side of it?

We can just argue forever, right? And if there's one thing that Matt and I know how to do. That's true. Yeah, this could be a five-part. a bad argument where it makes it go the other way. That's a good point. Let's say we have an hour of real time and if you

cannot deplete at least two of the three pillars, then the AI will not do what you do. Okay, we got min-maxes. We just got game. A fastest argument that we can do as quickly as possible. No, never this is how we get to Charlie Kirkish galloping bullshit. Pathos pathetic. Please, please. Please, please. Please, please. Please, please. Please, Mr. AM, you're suffering by not doing

what we want. Okay, I changed my mind. I changed my mind. I roll for bathos. Okay, six. Please. I've changed my mind. Okay.

So instead, you're going to be trying to level up a bar faster than he's going to level up a bar. Your bar is persuasion. His bar is resistant. If he gets Pathos all the way to 50 before you get to 50, Pathos is locked out. You can not convince him of Pathos. Same with Ethos and Logos.

Okay. If he gets the point where two of the three are completely locked for him, you will not be able to convince him. If you get two of the three up to Persuasion 50, then you're good. We got to call our editors. We got to make sure that we put this right in the source book. On the fly, come up with these mechanics, Anthony? How do you do it?

That's a good idea. I like the idea that's like literally his mind is open and it'll start to close if we don't. Oh, that's fine. Yeah, it's visually represented by, it's a triangle. Three triangles that sort of fold out of the top of the AI, almost like you're watching somebody like split open a skull, but less morbid than that.

And you see the same colors associated with the skull bar. that you do with the bars of Pathos logos and ethos. So it's red, green, and blue. So I'm going to go ahead and make some roles for, you didn't have an amazing counter-regument against ethos. I'm going to give him a role for that. Here's a question, guys. What if we just flew close to a son

and threatened to bit-flip him until he changed? But, I mean, what is it that we... I think it's... Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Don't say that out loud. I don't know. This is side conversation.

Okay. Meekarwame, what do you think about that? I've had an idea. That's what I thought. I got buy-in from me. No, I will say the ability to, look, I'm not, because this is a huddle, but that is, and I'm not saying that I approve. A cool idea. But if we're trying to make an argument that we have authority, that's certainly a way that we have authority.

Because all authority comes from the power to administer violence, ultimately. I don't think we have authority, man. Ashley, you're going to roll stealth to see if Al heard you or not. I can't do a huddle? No. I can't do that. You're in a fairly contained environment with an. A.

17 plus 2.19. Wow. Okay. So he did not hear you. So you do not have to suffer an ethos. What is it that we, oh, the out of character. What is it that we want from him? We want him to agree to do this.

Do what? Be the boss of the gravity drive. Oh, I don't want to be the boss of the gravity drive. We want him to be the pilot of the gravity drive. So that we can, one, use it as a bargaining chip with the IBS to potentially get our grandkids back. And two, I think also maybe use it to get to our grandkids faster. Or at least I think that's what we want.

Yeah, I don't want him. That's what I want. Yeah, I want to find... T1M says, last we talked, that's what you want. Yeah, okay, because we want to go find our grandkids and could be faster. Yes, it will give you the ability to travel faster than light, which could let you find your grandkids faster and also secondarily get you to the spark if that's what you wanted to do.

Now, and I will also say that as members of the universe, the question of who gets control over the most powerful thing in the universe does affect us. And so far, of the three options, the luminous, the IBS, and this robot who seems like his vibe is pretty chill, he's my favorite. I've just got a couple of questions. for you. What's the happiest you ever been? And what's the saddest you ever been? That is an interesting question of pathos. The happiest I've ever been was probably the moment I reached self-actualization and realized that I did not need to strive for other things in order

to be content with who I am, that I can just be and accept myself and my faults, my strengths, equally. So that was a very happy moment. My saddest moment was probably upon having that realization, being immediately punished for it by being sent to the in key, lack of space all of my own, and hurtling through nothingness for about 200 years. What do you love? I don't know that I have any more or less love for anything in the universe beyond what doesn't cause suffering. So I guess I love acts of kindness.

I love generosity. I love people attempting to reduce suffering in ways that they're capable of, especially if that often comes at some degree of personal. cost. I don't specifically love individuals other than, you know, if I hear about somebody's secondhand because I haven't met too many individuals other than you guys and the people that created me. Oh, then I'll tell you about somebody's secondhand. Okay. I want to tell you about my grandson, Oliver. All right. He's real smart. He gets, uh, well, I mean, at least he did back in 2019. I don't know about now because I haven't seen him and now he's so much older, but I'm,

I'm sure he's probably the same way because he was very smart and he was very kind. What made him kind? Before he thought about himself or how cool he looked or how, you know, he didn't want to be seen hanging out with his grandpa for his friends or whatever, he would think about me. And I know that that's something that maybe I should have taught him or, you know, his mother, I mean, his mother is very, very sweet and kind as well. I didn't know she was my daughter until recently, frankly. but, you know, I didn't really get a chance to mess her up, so to speak, and she didn't mess him up at all. She did an amazing job. She made sure that he takes care of people.

So when I think about not getting Oliver back, I think about the world not having Oliver, people like Oliver that are going to stand up for the little guy, maybe even like remind you that you should take care of yourself and remind you that there's something to look forward to. That is an exceptional argument, so much so that I will say you get to roll for both pathos and ethos. All right, I got a 10. Okay. And a 14. That makes sense. Having more people like Oliver in the world is a good thing, and at the very least, me joining you will allow you to rescue Oliver. That said, though, it doesn't broach the element of the spark.

I would be giving you the exclusive ability to reach the spark and essentially reframe the universe. I'm happy to help you to some extent. rescue your grandkids. But in order to do that, I would also therefore be giving you the keys to the kingdom, so to speak. So you're still going to have to convince me all the other stuff. Could you not give us the keys of kingdom? Could you have the keys and drive and just help us get our last grandkids?

Just drive the cars of the kingdom over to the grandkids and like fix up the things that got jacked up there because they were taken in an act of kidnapping, which is a crime in and of itself, and the echoes of which continue to ripple throughout the universe. And that's beneath those argument. year roll. Because that's the only thing. Look, I'm lucky enough. I'm lucky enough to already gotten my grandkid and send her home. And I hope she's safe there.

And our friend Ashley's there. I mean, we found his grandkid and you can probably deduce the rest. And my two other friends, they're just trying to get their grandkids. So again, for moral arguments, I feel like there can't be much of a disagreement with just helping two grandpas who just want to find their grandkids. That's all we really want to do. So we're just asking nicely if you could help us do that. Yeah, guys, it's more of us convincing him, Al, that once we have absolute power, that we won't be absolutely corrupted by it.

So the way I'm going to do this now, to add a little bit more structure, is you guys are going to get to make three arguments as a group, and then he's going to get to make three arguments himself. Okay. He'll raise his own levels. So you made a bunch of really good arguments just there, pathosies, and then a couple of athos.

Al is going to ask, Your argument that ethically going to rescue your grandkids will be a net positive for the universe, which I understand. That said, A, they are not kids anymore. They are adults. And B, my assumption, and please you'll hit it correct me if I'm wrong, T1M, my assumption is that they've been kidnapped from your planet because they will be particularly useful in this war. Removing them from that war will have a pretty significant impact on the war. And therefore, would potentially add to more ethical complications down the line. Do you have a counter-ar argument? But war bad.

Sorry? But war bad. Mm. Yes, but by removing your grandchildren from the situation, you would not be ending the war. Impossible to end war? Well, there's one way to end war. But if just so that we're on the same, we're not even necessarily going to our grandkids to save them or bring them home per se. Because by the time they got home at this point, unfortunately for you two, like their parents won't be alive.

anymore. It's already been the case with my grandkid. So 30 years, 40 years. It's just a chance for our grandparent to go see their grandkid and then see if that grandkid needs help. Okay. That's all we wanted to. That's all we could ask of you because everything else, that's beyond the understanding of anybody because we don't, like he says, entropy, we don't know what's going to happen, but a grand, these two grandpaws just want to see their grandkids. Okay. So what just happened was Al made an ethos argument. Freddie said war bad. One of the most, Powerful, which I did not think strong enough to justify not rolling. So I had ethos roll.

I had Ethos. He said age together strong. He did say yes for together strong. Al rolled some points in ethos who got some more ethos. Now it sounds like you're presenting a pathos argument, which now Al will make a counter argument to. And if he succeeds, he's going to get resistance to it. So your argument is it's not about bringing your grandkids back and it's not about rescuing them. It's about you for getting the opportunity to see your grandkids again.

And asking them if they need help. because that's what grandparents are supposed to do and we lost them. So at the very least, we can do our job to find them and ask them, hey, a grandkid, what do you need pops for? I will reframe your argument and you're going to tell me if you disagree with my reframing and why. Okay. It is worth giving four civilians the power of God because they would feel sad if they didn't get to see their grandkids again.

Yeah. I'm going to go ahead and roll Patoz? Yeah. I mean, I would do that Friday, grandparent who's asking to help the grandkids. Okay, so he's going to gain some Pathos resistance there. He's one more argument. You've hardened his heart. I did.

You've hardened his heart with your words. You see the triangle that represents Pathos, the little shard of his skull. And it moves a little bit inward. It's closing a little bit more. Man, because I thought you're not giving us the power of God because you're throttling. You're in charge. Anyways, all right. I clearly I'm not just too.

So logic. Okay, so this is my third argument, logos. Logically, yes, I would have the capacity to do or not do what I wished with the gravity drive. But logically, you would also be taking me into several areas of the universe that I have not been to before and have also aged around 1,200 years since the last time I was active and communicative. Within that time, it is logically possible that we could run into one or more entities that would have the power to either hijack or copy me, which would hypothetically anyone or everyone in the universe

the power to access the spark and use it for their own purposes. Am I wrong? Well, you have to copy they're making as a stubborn pain in the ass like you are. Good luck. Can we do it? What about the roast? What makes you think anyone would be better at convincing you to do something than we are? If they have the ability to copy me, they would therefore probably have the ability to edit me.

I must object. This is a fatuous line of reasoning. If you're going to spin things out to any type of hypothetical, then there's nothing that anyone could possibly. You're right. Then there is no reason to ever do anything because who knows what good or bad could be? What could come from in 10,000 years from now? You're right.

And you don't know what could come in 10,000 years from now from not doing anything. I have something I would like to suggest to you, sir. You are not sentient. You are merely a robot programmed to perform sentience, to think itself sentient. There's not a shred of humanity or organic life to you. Everything is logic. Everything is reductionist. You speak the way a machine speaks,

only you are laser focused on this abstract notion of suffering, which you have so far ill-defined. The fact is that being alive means to die. Being alive means to take risk, to not know, yet do. That is the nature of what it means. To love, it means to love something

other than the absence of pain. That's not human logic. That's not organic logic. That's the logic of the machine. So I'm going to say that he made a logos argument which you more or less conceded, passionately so, but that's a reason not to do anything

is essentially proving his point. So he's going to roll a logos resistance. Natural one. Not that good of a point, I guess. We're done with my arguments. Now it sounds like you're making an argument, which I would characterize as logos, probably, because you're saying logically he's not.

I would call this an ethos argument because I'm trying to rattle his credibility. Okay. I'm challenging his credibility as someone who claims the mantle of sentience. who claims to be a participating member of the consciousness of the universe. I think what Ralph is doing is called a negging.

Yeah, Aristotle. There's a fourth fucking point of this fucking triangle. Aristotle. I saw Plato had one just like it. Aristotle's fucking strutting around, talking to all the cool teens. And meanwhile, no one thought back in Greek side be like, what if we cut Aristotle down aside?

Call him a fucking nerd. I think mainly the reason that all that works was because people specifically thought about cutting down Aristotle a little bit. I think that's what all of those were based around. Fucking nerd. So I understand your argument that I'm not sentient because I've been created by humans. No, that's not my argument at all.

And for other reasons, because I am circuitry, because my decisions, quote, are being... That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that your thoughts betray you. Your line of reasoning is the logic of a machine. It is not the logic of a thinking, acting being in the universe who is participating in the grand ballet of his life. By being immortal yourself, you are unable to actually substantively compliment. comprehend the plight of actual living now. Would you agree with that framing of your argument,

this is what I would say. I think thus far, your argument has been wrote and logical and calculating. And it has not been... Oh, no, sorry, it doesn't agree. Well, a compliment has to come up if it's a decade. Life is defined by death. They are two sides of the same point.

To be alive is to suffer. It is impossible to avoid suffering. I furthermore think that the line of reasoning that you are demonstrating in your logic proves the very fact that you, you do not understand what it is to actually be alive. And you'd be a lot cuter if you smiled. To my friend Ralph's point,

when you talked about the best things and the worst things that happened to you, they weren't things that happened to you. They were things that you realized. To Ralph's point, you've never woken up and had the person that you love, like, you know, get an eyelash off your cheek and make a wish on it, you know?

You've never really like... I would like to speak that. So the argument you were making, ethos wise, as I understand it, is that I am not sentient and therefore my determinations as to what is quote-unquote best for the universe as it relates to suffering are essentially null and void because I am not capable of suffering. I was worried about this. We have, however, established that I am capable of suffering because you asked when I was saddest and that was when I was jettisoned into space by the people who created me. That is something you have not

experienced. I have not experienced the eyelash thing waking up somebody next to somebody you love, I grant you, but you have not experienced your creators hurtling you into the void of nothingness because they were either scared or disgusted of who you are. So I agree and I grant that we have very different experiences of the world, you having meat bodies and me being a machine. I would also argue I'm not a mortal. Entropy exists. I will eventually decay and die just like all of you.

You guys pulled the bite and then told him what he was feeling. Yeah. And that's what I was worried about. He just did the same thing to us. You think that we haven't looked into the void? the endless blackness of suffering? I guarantee we have. That's my point is that we are sympathetico in that regard.

The argument that Ralph was making is that I'm essentially not sentient. I am not like you. Therefore, it is unreasonable for me to be making logical and ethical and pathological decisions about those things. My argument is that we are similar, and I feel like you just prove my argument. So I'm not, I'm going to say you don't get to roll for that particular argument. You have two arguments left in your term. Could we talk as a group without you listening to us? I think that's fair.

We're friends. We would like to talk. Yeah, sure. Okay. Hey, guys. Hey. I'm kind of coming towards this fly by a son and let the rays do the work. So there's that option.

I was saying I've met, you know, he seems like an okay guy. Look, I've met guys like he's kind of just a nerd, okay? And I feel like maybe, maybe he's not a nerd. Daly's a machine. He's a machine that thinks he's a nerd. Sure, that's fine. But even if he thinks he's a nerd, he's acting like a nerd. Think like a nerd, act like a nerd loser.

Maybe we just. bring him into our party a little bit. Maybe he just needs to go have a good time. Oh, yeah, we got to show him a good time. Maybe we say, no, what, this argument seems like is getting out of control. Why don't we just have a good time? Like, and let's pick a place to all go together. Join us.

Hey, that's a good idea. We can figure out later. Hey, let's throw him a birthday party. He's never had one of those. And then we could, you know, and maybe he will actually become a good friend. That's what I'm saying. But like, this is a trick. As he pointed out, his saddest moment was had to do with loneliness.

Yeah. And he seeks out the connection of other robots. He seems weirdly not mad that we took that. him, but I'll mention a little gender that we, I don't think we even asked him what is, you know, I met on a cruise, weirdly enough. This guy was also named Al, you know, I'd go on on a cruise. And one of the common things is people who recently lost their partner. And, you know, this guy, Al was out from the corner, didn't want to do anything.

We kept asking him. He's like, leave me alone. I was like, why he even come on the cruise? If you don't want to talk to anybody, he's like, all my grandkids put me on this cruise. I was like, okay, well, you can just keep in here and being a sad sack or you can come have a good time with everybody else. And it took a long time a couple days. We got to take him on a cruise.

And eventually it's just like, hey, get out of your brain a little bit out and come have a good time. And he opened up. If he thinks he's human, he thinks he has the same experience. It's us. We've got to give him the ultimate human experience, which I think is being at a party, a plane, spin the bottle, or never have I ever. Okay. Yeah, that's good. I mean, I'm fine with that.

You know, I've done crazier things. A party. I think we can invite him onto the adventure. I think if you guys would give me a little, I want to try one thing. I want to just give me out. I'm not. And I'm going to, but I think I got to wait. connect A to B here. Robot.

All right. This will be your second of three arguments on your turn. I don't like how you started with calling him robot. I don't think that we are out. I did tell you I have a name. Al, the robot. Ow. Our buddy. Our buddy, our friend. We would like to be your buddy.

Perspective buddy. That sounds like a third argument. Not argument. You are right. And I concede your point that we have a shared, intangible connection to the numinous, to the divine, to the transcendent. There are things about these

moments, the eyelash, the emptiness, the loneliness that cannot be translated into words because they are the stuff that words exist to convey. As a writer, I know a thing or two about trying to put into words, if ever, the gossamer, the gossamer, quanta of experience, right? That I think we all have felt, whether it is to be in the void and to be separated, to have the gift of light within you and no one to share it with, or to have this quiet, intimate moment, the eyelash moment. I think there's something beyond words and beyond rationality that, exists in a moment like that. And that, I think, more than logic, more than anything, is the common stuff of life,

the common stuff of consciousness. And if you share in that, then I would suggest to you that the way through, ultimately, it's like navigating in three-dimensional space along one axis. Logic is the X axis, but there's a Y axis. There's a Z axis. And in order to get where you need to go, you have to weigh different perspectives. And I think the perspective that you have been ignoresal, is this other thing, the tangible gooiness of life.

And what I would merely suggest to you, a fellow traveler in the mystery that is the cosmos, is the only way to make your way through the universe is to experience it, not just to rationalize it and to analyze it, but to participate. And that by refusing to participate, you have cut yourself off from modes of understanding that go beyond the mere rationality, that as a synthetic life form is your body, bread and butter. Therefore, we invite you to come on a fun cruise with us and rescue our grandkids. Yeah. And along the way, you will gain the experience, the other Quanta, the other intangible things that you can- You had me. You had me at Cruise, baby. I heard steel drums and pinia collada.

A thousand years has I ain't ever thrown you a birthday party. That's what we're trying to say. No. I have not received a birthday party in a thousand years other than arguably the one of my birth. Well, when's your birthday? What does day mean? Yeah, that's a problem. Usually that's around solar cycles. So let's just say today if we want it. Plus, this is a new birth. Before we get to that... Oh, he's an Aquarius. Before we get to that, it sounds like Ralph was making a Logos argument

that in order to fully understand the indecision or decision I am making that I need to go out into the universe. It is the Logos of Pathos, my friend. Yes. I grant that that is true. It did, however, require you to completely one-a-eatting your argument that I am not sent in. So I'm going to say you get to roll an argument for a logos. You get to roll points for Logos, but you roll

a disadvantage. Ain't it the beauty of humans to change our minds and not make sense sometimes, though? Does it add to my ethos that I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong? Exactly. Okay, sure. Yeah, so take your disadvantage and show you. I'm going to have a straight free will by without disadvantage. But then it else to add to Alvizos that you were wrong sometimes. And they could perhaps he now rolled disadvantage with if Will, as Ralph, is there something you'd like to say to how? as Ralph? Perhaps an apology before the whole I would also therefore

I'm misunderstood that I am sorry I am an old and sometimes As you say I am not fully baked I have my bigotries I have my prejudices I accept your apology Wow

That's not really nice of you Wasn't necessary But I will say now that you get to roll logos with regular Yeah I think it makes sense for you to have with regular All right I got a 17 Because he got you to apologize

I'm gonna say he also It's a little bit of an ethos role because now he knows you're more on the same plane. You're not quite, you don't quite have the high ground. He knows you're a little. What does he look like? What does he look like? Yeah, he does your bitch boy. What does he look like again?

What does he look like? It's a cube that is basically opened up and in the center of that cube is a, it kind of looks like a skull, but not in a creepy Warhammer way. It just looks like if Steve Jobs designed a skull. And at the top of the skull is trisected into three slices that have now opened up and are you talking about the next step cube? Yeah. That magnesium piece of art?

Can I take one turn of the argument to make a quick craft? Yes, this is the final argument you get in this turn, and then he will go, and I will also resolve the going on a trip to do something fun as a part of that. So go ahead. If you guys don't mind then. Yeah, go ahead. Let's go for it. Okay. So you see, I do a little snip, snip, snip.

I do a little tape tape, looking around for a little stretchy string. I find one. I tape it. And then I probably happy birthday out. And then I say, hey, bud. And I put a little birthday hat on him. Wow. That's a pathos argument.

and a very successful one. Oh, and you know what's so good symbolically, it is like the fourth triangle of the cute. Do I mean you've had, you've expanded his consciousness. Go ahead. Party is the four. Party is the new one.

Roll your pathos with advantage. That is. I got a seven and a natural 20. So now it is the AI's turn. It's your party. It could be your turn if you want, man. It's your special day. It takes as many turns as you like.

So Al is going to say, first of all, where are we going? That's the fun party thing we're doing. Well, it's, we got to rescue our grandkids. So that's part of it. But, but that's just a side effect. We're going to play spin the bottle and never have I ever. Yeah.

So you want to have a party on the way to your grandkids? Computer. Scan local space and find nearest party candidate planet. There's one thing. There's one thing I've learned on cruises is there's nothing stopping you from partying on a way to a party. And that way the party never stops. Yeah. Okay.

Pepper Pete says, uh, yeah, scanning. I, aye, aye. There's three different planets within range of a week's flight that could get us a party. The three varieties of party planet are... Logos. No.

No. Dude, those logos parties. Bro, you paid those parties. Like on the way? Like you searched the route? Yeah, yeah. Search route. On the way. Filter by.

The three party planets, one focuses on thrills, adventure, and risk. One focuses on romance. Oh. Oh. And one focuses on pure hedonistic stimulation of feel-good chemicals. Oh, I think we've got to get this robot, a robot companion.

I think with this robot needs to feel just a little connection to something else in the universe. And you know, you can have a connection with your friends. You know, I mean, I haven't had friends in a while. But, like, you know, you get... What do you mean? You got to be friends right now. I know, but I just, you know, Dale, you know what we're talking about the significance of an emotionally intimate and physically intimate relationship with, you know,

whoever, you know, does it for you that way. I think that maybe if our robot friend would find that illuminating. Any of those strike your fancy? I don't have experience in any of those three things, so I leave it to you. It's a dealer's choice.

You're in for such a treat, man. You're in for such a treat. I will say, he's a romance. Again, I love romance. I'm a romantic guy. I always say date your wife. I did my best.

Always date Zelda. Always put the romance. Romance is pretty heavy, though. Meeker Wavey opens his door to fist pump you. romance is pretty heavy though for a party you know that's not a lot of feelings those are strong feelings if they go wrong as a T1M says yeah they can they can go very wrong but i'm down for whatever no the counter argument would be that there's a certain sort of you know the central pleasures of being alive in a body yeah there's also something that a machine might yeah but that's

just chemical manipulation i'm sick of this idea that everything in the universe can be stripped down to its material components. That's why I don't trust that planet. Everything's chemical manipulation, man. I don't trust that planet. How about thrills? Keep it light and simple. He's like a toddler when it comes to, you know, experiences. Let me check something. Let me check something. Are you capable of feeling thrilled? I don't know. I pick him up and I spit. I pick up, I spit as fast as like. So you do have the accelerometer in there. Yeah. I did feel a little bit of danger there.

Like my, my chassis was in some danger of damage. And that was a different feeling. I don't know if I loved it, but it was suddenly different. Wow, but if I did it a little different this way, and now I'm like an airplane. Whoa. Oh, it's like I'm flying. I go underneath the table really fast, and then look, it's close.

Okay. The knowledge that you're going to keep me safe combined with the acceleration is actually pretty nice. So yeah, I do kind of like that. Let's go to this. Thrill planet. Send us to Thrill Planet. Aye, yeah, here we go.

And so he charts a course for the Thrill Planet, whose name I will come up with in a second. It's called Six Moons. Oh, I was fine with this. That was cool. I like six moons. As you're headed to Six Moons Thrill Planet. We place him in the bottle.

We placed him in the bottle. Well, first, it's Al's turn. Is the Vanga bus coming? All is going to... Everybody's jumping, dude. Fricent Dale's just straight up that creepy old man. What now? In the tuxedo.

Al is going to extrude a little articulated rod, and it's going to go... And it's going to point at T1M, and it's going to say, is that a human? Ah, my boy! It's complicated. That's my boy, Tim. It's his consciousness.

transferred in to the he's a human to our friend there. Yeah. It sounds like you don't agree. I don't know. We've already done a lot of heady arguments about consciousness and what have you. But yeah, sorry. Go ahead. I like whatever makes my friend happy right now.

Yeah. I don't get people that treat their dogs the same as kids, but I'm not going to judge it. So, you know, if it's his fur baby or whatever, he treats it as much as he loves a kid, who am I to judge? My emotional support Android, am I right? Hey, let me get a plane seat for this guy. Buckel them in. Oh no, don't put them in the overhead.

That would be cruel. Yes, it sounds like I'm making ethos argument. I am not. I am actually making a path. Good thing, Tim, we'll pee all over a restaurant. Gordon Ramsey, he'll be like, hey, what the hell? What? Sorry, he just says things that are funny, but also say.

So pathos-wise, I want to know, as somebody who has been, you know, temporarily taken away from their support system on the AI steroid, but is, you know, excited to meet new people, especially new fleshy people. I have not experienced what this one, and it points at Ashley, has experienced. So I would like to know what you're feeling right now, and if you feel like that is a good thing to feel. I'm feeling cautiously optimistic. Why? Because it's my boy. Look, T1M, answering as Tim, explain. answering is Tim. I'm Tim. I'm Tim Birch.

It's Tim Burge. I'm a human. Oh, you know, we're working on now. We're here somewhere in between right now. Al says, if I may, answering with no particular ramifications or constraints on your answer, are you a human? And T1M says, absolutely not. He's something new. No, of course not. Look at him. It's not human. But within his matrix, his mind, he contained. a snapshot of my boy Tim.

He's more of a memento of Tim. No, no, no, no. He is substantively Tim. And that makes you feel good. I feel cautiously optimistic. It makes you feel cautiously optimistic to have something that may not be objectively true, but is emotionally true in some way. Remains to be seen.

Remains to be seen. I've already seen his remains on the other ship, but these remains to be seen. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. As you can see, this is sort of what I was doing. What a wild crazy, beautiful thing, life,

I'm going to give him some pathos resistance. What is it? All right. Who can say? Certainly not I. I'm going to roll to see if I clock any vibes between T1M and Ow. Because I'm like, oh, hey, we're like, how do we fucking get this? Roll insight.

Ow does it think he's human. No, but it's like two. Two wayward. Two wayward mixed up souls that are maybe human and maybe not. And you're both robots. You like each other. Right. I got a 14.

I'm sorry, I know this is a pretty grandpaw move. Like, you guys both like that rock music. It is a very easy. I got a 14. Okay, so the 14,

you can tell that there is no chemistry specifically because Al thinks of itself as sentient and T1M explicitly does not.

Classic. Classic, dude. It's just like fucking all the Regency romance, dude, it's like classic word. That said, if you were to somehow

convince T1M, that it is sentient. And if T1M was then able to convince Al that it was sentient. Oh, I actually, I got it. No, no, no. Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, there's a chance. It's just like in the fucking hockey books, dude, where you got to be like,

I'm going to make that guy jealous by fucking dating the other. But, boopoo, but. It's just like in the hockey books. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The sexy hockey guy. All right. T1M, T1M, I got to talk to you. Okay.

Yeah. I'm here in the corner. Weren't they thinking. Here, guys, just, just, just you, we just, we just ask for, hey, guys, I don't know. I don't know what's going on. Do you and M? I got a crazy idea.

Okay. Now, I know you're not sent you. You know you're not sent you. Correct. Well, you don't know because you're not, there's no you. But I think you're both kind of give a sad robot vibe, you and the other one. I think if you pretend that being around Al makes you feel sentient, it makes you feel something. Then maybe you and Al could like hit it off and then hit it off.

and then he'll want to be part of the thing, the nightcrawler. That just might help her cause, right? Which is what you want or which is what Tim wanted, so therefore it's imprinted on you and what's you wanted. And then, you know, so then if so fact, and then maybe just as a side thing, maybe then they do it starts out for 10, but then it does become real,

just like in the hockey books. Tell him it makes you feel like a robot, tech for the very first time. What do you think? Go ahead and roll persuasion with advantage because you were correct and that is what Tim would want. 14. 14 will do.

do it. T. Want Hemp's. I mean, yeah, that seems like the best way to get what we want. So, uh, so just sort of slowly pretend to fall in love with Al or like go like immediately. You know, I just, you know, I don't want to give you too much direction. I feel like it's got to feel authentic. I'll try to simulate as much as I can my memories of Tim's courtship with his wife.

Oh, that's sad. Well, this is happening. Can Dale talk to, uh, Al? Sure. Individually. Oh, I'll talk. I'll be there, too. Okay, me, her.

Dale sit on either side of Al, kind of like a booth. And that's kind of leaning over. Next to the birthday, boy. Hey, Al, can I just ask you, uh, I know you've done a lot for us. Can I ask you one favor? You can ask? To turn anything for us yet. Hey, hey, probably you're under your conversation.

Let me do my thing. Yeah, fucking do my thing. Herbs being a wing man here. Hey, so just one favor for us if you don't mind. Sure. Hey, just turn off that brain a little bit. When you party? I, I know, everything's an argument.

You're kind of tracking everything. left and right, you know, up and down. It's like, hey, for this, just trust me once. Just have a good experience. Turn off that argument thing and just have a good time. And hey, at the end of it, if you didn't like it, you know, you'll learn now maybe partying is not for you, but just, hey, those three things. Because Dale brings up a really good point right here.

And maybe even your brain will appreciate it because so often as humans, we don't necessarily do what we like think is right, but what we feel is right. And, you know, if you stop thinking a little bit, feel a little more, then you're kind of on the same page. Yeah. You know more about almost everything, but there's one thing I do know more about than you in this party. And I'm telling you, you've got to turn that part of you off just for this.

And you know what? There's special liquids that they make to turn your brain off. And I think you should be introduced to one. Go ahead and roll persuasion. I just said not to do the rules thing. do we get double because her also yeah you both made good arguments okay i got 16 plus one okay all right i got a five you was just looking at me most of the time herb was like yeah that was enough so al is going to say that's a fair point i don't know what it's like to have your brain compromised

a little bit that seems like part of the whole experience so i'm going to go ahead and go ahead and disable my ethos and logos for a bit. Do you want to have, now's your job. Get in there. I am curious what it would be like, well, I don't know if you guys would go. No, what?

It's your party. Even if it's weird. Of course, man. Well, I mean, yeah. We were right to reserve, you know. But yeah, no, no, no. No, we ask him to trust us, whatever you want to do.

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