Dwarf Fortress Roundtable - Ep. 62: In Which A Wren Woman Betrays Singemetal

Episode Date: January 30, 2022

And we're back! Season 4 kicks off with the gang catching up and discussing their various over-the-break activity. Fix fat dwarves with DFHackRoland's Twitch channelDeep Rock GalacticTimberborn

Welcome to Dwarf Fortress Roundtable, the podcast for all things Dwarfy. Every couple weeks or so, your hosts gather to talk about our favorite game, Dwarf Fortress. So let's join your hosts, Roland. You smelled every single individual. Tony. The world is dominated by Necromancer towers. And Jonathan. What he used to do was dig straight into the side of the nearest hill.

As they present insightful, irreverent, and often incorrect analysis. And always remember, losing is fun. Welcome back, guys. It is January. It is the beginning of season four. Season four. It is. Beautiful.

Spring weather. The dawn of a new year. What can you... Spring weather? Well, it's spring where I. The network picked us up for another season. We get, like, twice the contracted amount that we did last season. I'm thrilled that the network renewed us, to be honest.

Huge, huge end of the year, French Talks with Apple, to make sure that we could use the podcast name. Fortunately, that has come through, so here we are. We're slotted between Hell on Wheels and Real Housewives of Pickhauer. It's wonderful. Yes, really fortunate to have the spot that we've got. So thanks, everybody, for writing to Tate. Tim took over the break. It really made a difference.

And our stream is live, so that's exciting. Very cool. Yeah, what are we looking at on our stream time? So I'm trying to remember now. We, I mean, as I initially look at it, there's a room here with a bunch of gold statues in it that looked like that QAnon guy that stormed the capital. I don't know what's going on in this room. So we'll probably need to get to the bottom of that to see what's happening with this bullman that they seem to be worshipping. And I think that this was the world that I had rolled ancient times that was like so difficult.

Like the minute that you touched down here, you instantly got wrecked. So we're experimenting to see if there's a non-wreck path that we can take. And I think that's as far as we've gotten here. And so far we have not been wrecked. So that's terrific. pets seem to be the big problem for us here. Lots of cats, which needed soaping. And we've soaked a bunch of the cats now,

and so we've got clean dwarves in a healthy cat population. I feel like the sky's the limit for these guys. Do you guys use compressed saves for your door fortress? No. Because sometimes when I try to reload an older save, it got corrupted or it doesn't work so I never do that I'm not even sure why you would enable that

because every time I enabled that I had problems with cool and we've got this character starving oh dear you really hate to see it starting great this year huh starvation no no it's a diet it's a diet it's fine

he's working on himself you're twarves to lose weight. There's a Dwarf Fortress plugin called Fat Dwarf that I think runs by default. Yep. I'm always interested in that one. It's hilarious.

It's hilarious. Because you see, your dwarfs can get fat. That's a real thing in a dwarf fortress. And if you have too little to do for your dwarfs and they just sit around, drink, and eat all day long, they get fat. And it's hilarious

to watch. Because if you have a dwarf like an entire fortress and you let it sit for like a whole year suddenly all your dwarves are fat and the funny thing is this fat fixed fat dwarfs or whatever it is called there was a problem where a too fat dwarf would crash your game because it kept like bogging out the i think the numerals don't quote me on this okay that could be wrong but for some reason the game kept glitching and crashing because your dwarfs were too fat so it like fixes your dwarfs being too fat for the numeral system or something like that so when you say don't quote me on this do you mean that i can't use this in the uh in the podcast no you can't claim it's real you can but uh i

can't guarantee you that no actually i can guarantee you that there will be at least one comment telling me, no, this is wrong, it's like this, and it's probably right because I've pulled that out of my nose right now. Well, you know, that's how we learned, so that's fine. I think that we covered last time or previous time, there's not a way to know how old a particular fortress is from inside that fortress is there. Yeah, like when did I start Palace Golf? Yeah.

Which is a cool name. Is this my seventh season or ninth season that have, ninth year or seventh year? that I'm in the right now playing this game yeah well I oh yeah well in game years so this is this one I feel particularly bullish on because not only is it called palace golf it's actually on a golf so that seems particularly auspicious okay great so let's get to it um how about you guys and I would also like to mention I haven't touched this for it since the last time we recorded but I've played other ones but I haven't touched this one but I haven't touched this one Partly because I'm scared of the world and I need you guys to hold my hand.

Boy, I play it. And, you know, partly just because I got busy doing other stuff, but other forts. But, yeah, that's the state of what we're seeing here. And I don't think we're in peril, as I recall, everything was pretty cool. Did you folks do anything interesting over the break? Did you play any other games besides Door Fortress? Any other games? You mean, like, cheating on my main spouse?

No. Well, no, it's, it's, you know, the part of the, part of the reason for the hiatus is to explore other avenues of entertainment, right? Entertainment, yes. I mean, I played a lot of Doom, old school. Doom, all right. Doom. Okay. That works.

How does that go? That's a different vibe. That is a way different vibe. Well, not really for me. Doom was my first, you know, classic Doom and the source ports have been my, my, passion before tour fortress i've been playing it since doom was released in the 93 you're talking the one that you can play on smart fridges that that doom yeah but you're not going to get a good experience with that right okay cool i just want to make sure you're not talking about one of the new

whizbang no cg i not like the reboots not like 2016 doom we're talking uh 1993 but the source ports with better graphics and better online and all that but yeah got it cool just there's a really the big community surrounding it. So I've played a lot of doom. I've got some friends that live around the country and we will, you know, every week or two, spend a few hours on a Sunday evening playing cooperative survival doom. It's a lot of fun. All right. That sounds pretty cool. That also played quite a bit of Dwar Fortress as well. Nice. I played Dwar Fortress, obviously. I even streamed it. By the way, check out my channel. Yeah, I saw you were, you were hustling over the holiday. That was great. You and

Yes. Teckid. How do we pronounce that? I think that's correct. Is that the correct pronounce? I haven't heard of him. Or he's like Ted or something or Tet, Ted. The artist formerly known as Paranolid Mentholi?

Exactly. It took me a while to grasp that for a second. I was like, wait, what happened to that guy that was doing those? Did this drip? Anyway, I'm slow. So I'll see myself out. Yeah, I played a bit of that. We are now, what, seven years, eight years?

in. I technically still have to play, but, you know, like the whole university thing is bogging it down and basically can only play over the weekend, which is annoying. But what else did I play? Right. I found Dwarf fortress in the future, which I'm not sure if I should name call like a modern game, but it is deep rock galactic and it's pretty great because it also has dwarfs and it also is mining. But now, this time, you are the dwarf, and it's more like a first-person shooter in space. It's really cool.

You know, I talked to my friend about it. She rolled her eyes at me, like, why is every game that you play about dwarfs? Or, like, robots. And I'm like... Don't kink shame me, lady. Yeah, exactly. I felt betrayed in that moment.

But she is right. Both are about dwarfs and both have like some things going on. But this is space age technology. It's pretty cool. Check it out. It's not too, too expensive. It's free this month if you're a PS Plus, by the way.

I wish. Well, it is. No, wait. I think it is. I think it actually is. It is actually free. I obtained it freely, legally and freely, through the PlayStation Plus thing yesterday.

That's funny because another friend of mine, actually obtained it the same way, but he can't play with us because they have like a different server version. So you can't join our games. So you had to buy it, you know, again, like actually on Steam, so you can't join our games, which is not great. But it's a nice co-op game and it has dwarfs and you can like customize your dwarf to look like the dwarfs and dwarf fortress. And it's pretty nice. I can tell you that. Yeah. That sounds like you guys have sort of of fused your gameplay over the holidays. So you're playing

a Door Fortress game that's like Doom basically in a way. There's a lot of shooting and a lot of dwarfs and a lot of alcoholism because before every mission you have to drink because the beer is literally a buff. That's pretty nice. What's the game called again?

Deep Rock Galactic. Deep Rock Galactic. Yes. Okay. Yeah. So is it console only? Is there a Steam version? It is on Steam? I think there is a console version, yes. I guess so if there's PlayStation Plus. Yeah, a lot of these, though, seem to also have the computerized versions, but I don't know about that one.

I'll check it out. I've got an Xbox One, although I don't really game on it. It's more of an entertainment center. An Xbox One, yeah, and a bit of an antique. Yeah, it is, but it still works. So, you know, like I said, I use it mostly to stream Netflix and YouTube. Yeah, XBMC. It's supposed to be really good. I remember that. Ah, you know what I think I've done here with my squads is I've told them to kill something they can't get to?

And I wonder if that's why they're starving to death and dying of thirst. Cancel orders. So let's cancel that order and see if everybody is on the mend. Ah, look at that. They've sorted themselves out. Okay, well, duly noted. Did not realize they would take the order so literally. But anyway.

So, do any gaming besides Store Fortress, Tony? I did a little bit. I played City Skylines, that classic thrill ride game, and then stepped it up one layer of, I'm not sure, imagination, Timberborn, which is an early access game where it's basically City Skylines, but with beavers. so what yes oh that sounds awesome you play beavers which is kind of cool but man you feel so bad when you screw up and all that's left is after the whole village has died of starvation or thirst and there's just like a couple of children wandering around you feel a little bad about that but but it's pretty cool you know it's it looks very nice oh my god you know I've had a good time with it it's early access

so it plays really well though for an early access game though it seems pretty um it seems pretty well thought out and they're updating the heck out of it so yeah i mean you know it's i i've gotten whatever i paid for it's worth out of it it's pretty neat and it looks really nice and it plays on all of the different types of computers that i have whether they be fruit based or seattle based it plays just fine so timber born huh not even plan let's i don't know but yeah real uh real thrill ride uh for me over the holidays those uh super super fast-paced city builders. So that's where I was.

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Let's take a look at the Bay 12th Gator of Gatorial. Report for January 1st. Good saying. Just a little bit of an interesting stuff that I like Three Toes mission status statements. I enjoy the mushroom references. Yeah. So do you want to give us a dramatic reading of that, Roland? I would, but I already see that there are some words I will not be able to.

pronounce. So can you spare me the shame this time? Sure. Thank you. Okay. You want to do it, Tony, or would you like me? I think I've got it. The one with the TOTI one, his giant frog in the mission status. Congratulations. I do for the generous and everyone else. Soldiered amid the circumstances. It might seem like there's much progress. But you have shown, you know, what's going on beneath the surface, like a some word network that is

rewritten. What is this word? Macorizal network, I think is the pronunciation. Let's turn this into a lesson. Having to do with mycology. We're going to the word micorhiza means fungal root. To be more specific, mycorrhizae are fungi or fungi that have a symbiotic relationship with the roots of many plants. The fungi, which commonly form, which commonly form my corpus.

Corizial relationships with plants are ubiquitous in the soil. Ah, you know what, guys? There's a great podcast about this from a radio lab called the Wood Wide Web. And it is absolutely fascinating if you'd like to go down in this rabbit hall of mycology. Beware. And you got distracted. Well, of course. You can't learn a new word and then not.

No, it's a cool word. Anyway, so that's what's happening. Things are all tied together. A fungus, the fungus web below is taken hold, and one by one, the interface screens are being colonized by more easily navigable versions of themselves. Soon, a great fruiting body will bloom, and its spores will land on everything fulfilling our end of the bargain that you have so been charitable to accept. Congratulations to the generous. Thanks, Threato. And then it looks like the financials are pretty stable, so that you always want to see. wonderful wonderful wonderful nice so it does sound a lot like uh three toes you know a different

version of the same three-toe report that we've had for the last five or six months yeah uh we're we're working on it is the summary of that one yeah yeah basically yeah we're working on a little fancy words and now we got and now we're on to legends mode so hang on so yeah i think we're still My prediction of New Year's Day, 2022, fell flat. Yeah, my prediction, I think, is still somewhere in the 2023 time frame. And I'll stand by that one. It's a 2023. February 2020, 23.

That's when I think we're getting steam. I think we're getting it this year. I do. It would be so cool. I think we're going to have two more COVID variants before we get it. Should we talk about it in COVID variance? Two. How many variants is it?

I can't wait for it. Like the new COVID variant of Dekeblon to pop up, and that would be great. Thank you very much. That's right. He's not selling NFTs of all this. I'm Googling the Greek alphabet here. Oh, wow. Amacron's quite a way down there, right?

Yep. Really? There's been that many? Variants, I know. We're almost out of, it's like whenever the National Hurricane Center runs out of hurricane names. and they go with or they used to go with Greek letters

we're going to have to stop using Greek letters for variants and go with hurricane names that sounds fine so the next variant will be called Phil and we'll all hate it

because it's boring but it just boars you to death for some reason the really apocalyptic variant will be the Omega variant it's going to be the Janet variant is what it's going to be because we're going to have switched to names

and no one's going to have seen it coming but he's afraid of Janet not yet Variant Hugo Well, Hugo is a big hurricane. I remember that wrecked. Yeah, Hugo got me into the hospital. Hugo got me.

Oh, no, what happened? Really? No. Not yet. Like, were you even alive when Hurricane Hugo happened? I think maybe no, because that was a long time ago. Wow. Train right off the mine card is right off the mine card.

The mine card, yeah. Yeah, I looked it up. Hurricane Hugo was, uh, was 15 days back in 1989, so that was in the 80s. Well, okay, that was slightly before me, but I was already

existing on this planet, not just, you know, breathing on my own. Wonderful. Well, that's a start. Okay, moving on. Please. The Steam official announcement thread, it is the one

that talks about, the hyperlinking of the Legends mode from within Dwar Fortress. So it looks like it's a lot like a legends browser, but built in. Built into the game is, that's pretty useful. Because if I could look at this Forgotten Beast, who, I mean, to his credit, is patiently waiting behind this locked door to get in. What a nice person. Well, I mean, you know, he could have kicked down the door, but he didn't.

So that's pretty sweet, actually. I think that's actually good. That seems to be happening more lately. I had a forgotten beast and pick hour that showed up like in year one and I retired the fortress and that same forgotten beast was still on the list and still just hanging out to himself and not going anywhere. I think that maybe he was in a cave that had no access to the rest of the fortress. What do you guys think? Should we send a squad up to meet and greet? Yes.

Okay. Well, here they come. I'm sending them in. Send archers I don't have enough crossbows to thrive Look here comes Here comes everybody It's going to be a great

This is going to be This is going to go really well So everybody's just about coming up Look at that Looks at this guy's brought a well with him I don't know why he's Some of the tile set things are about funky Because if you look this guy's flashing

And he's flashing a well So I don't really understand No no no that's correct How it should be What is the special attack of the Forgotten Beast well that's great oh he's called puke of something let's see noxious secretions oh this could be something I'd regret oh no probably well let's just get on with it then shall we Tuckett says send one of every kind of soldier which means send one of your regular squad

obviously oh my god how can you no no no look I've even unlocked it look it's unlocked he can come in and everybody's just chilling all right this is this is we're taken this is unacceptable just because he's forgotten doesn't mean he's evil well we're fighting oh there's a lot of blood here oh is he is he dead he's dead okay well then thanks guys that was easy uh check check on your dwarfs to see what the effect of the noxious secretions was but i don't think you had it well i am more of a fan of schrodinger's noxer's secretion which is it ain't a problem if you don't look Okay.

A 20% percent. Look a dick. What is this? A hill titan has come. What happened? Another one? I just... A towering hairy ladybug.

Oh, nice. It has a round shell and an austere look about it. It's olive hair is patchy. Beware its deadly spittle. This is the perfect moment where I want to remind everybody that ladybugs are not cute. They're carnivorous and they're hunters. And look, it's... It's coming for us in a bubble-bub for us.

Bubble, blubble-blub. What is this thing? Blubble-blub. Oh, look who's in the name of our outpost liaison here who's visiting. I don't know if you can see it, but it's Tekud. Huh. How about that? He's found a way into the game.

That is actually one of the possible names in the fortress. Like, this is a possible name of wars. That's, okay. Look at that. So that's fun And look, there's also a bug bat Which is an animal I've never seen before So that's fun

Okay, so should we Should we send squads after the Hill Titan? What do you guys think? Is that going to go well? No. No. It'll be fine. It's a bug, though.

20 to 40% attrition rate is perfectly acceptable. Well, off we go. Okay. Look, everybody's making fun of the poor squad. that are mismatched and I am assuming not particularly well equipped but you know whatever as long as you don't check they're well equipped look at he just this guy this this hero whoever this was visioned Moses vision trades he took him down damn okay all right thanks Moses thank you for your surface pal after all bugs are

not that hardcore in this game after all This random I mean, he died for it But at least he died in the rubbish pile So we don't have to think about it It's so cute Yeah, it's dissolving my arms and legs Adorable

Well, all's well that ends well So there we are, we've dispatched Oh, that was our miner Oh What are you going to do? So we've managed to dispatch Two Forgotten Beasts and a Hill Titan So that's cool

so take that doubters of the mix squad is that like a jab at me because that's not working my military is perfect oh as is mine how about bubble bubble blub do we have is there utility for it dense bubble bubble bulb I mean it's wood bubble bulb is it can I cut it down and build bubble bolts

oh you mean that dense bubble bolt no that's a that's a kind of shrub shrubbery, but I assume that you can't actually pick it and do something with it. It's not allowed. It doesn't seem to want to let me. Let's see. I don't want to pick bubble bulb. Let's pick some of this. You may have to put it in a gathering zone. I did. Well, yeah, because I put it in the plants. This is probably one that you have to. What's the difference between setting a gathering zone and using DP for designate pick plants? The difference is the time, because if you designated, they go out and pick everything that you just

designated once, then never again, but the gathering zone is a zone where they keep returning and picking things if they are in there. Thank you. Yes. Very helpful. Oh, look, this guy is going to butcher up the forgotten beast. When you use the designation for

picking, they'll take ladders out and pick fruit and things like that. Yeah, that too. Yeah, I think that the gathering zone is more of a plant a plant gathering, not so much fruit. Got it. You're not picking apples and bears and They do both.

Oh, do they? Yeah, they do both. But in the gathering, they're a bit more aggressive. You know, they heat out the entire plant. While in the zone, they only pick berries if the berries are actually there, not heat the entire bush with its root and go like, you know. That actually makes a lot of sense. So if you have apple trees or cherry trees or whatever,

better to use the gathering than the exactly yeah then have them clear cut the orchard each time because that's disruptive so any other comments about the new hyperlinked legends browser pretty stoked about it honestly I am very interested in how this works because if it works like the normal legends brother but you can access it from the fortress that would still mean you have to like

like type in the name of the actual thing. But it might actually be that you maybe even get to click on a person and then you get to see everything that happened to them, which would be insane. Imagine that. You click on a dude that comes to your tavern and you see his entire history. There would be,

that would be really, really cool. Boy, it would make finding vampires a little easier, wouldn't it? Yeah, I suppose. I mean, in a good way. In the link that is going to be in the show notes, it actually tells it shows an example of that you see something

about Melville and you click them and then it shows everything about in another tab that particular that particular historical figure but you still aren't going to be able to get to it while a fortress is running. It's still going to be its own mode

so it's going to have limited use in sussing out vampires unless you retire your fortress. I see. Can I say how nice this iron hand tile set is? I think this one's really good. They're pretty nice, yeah? Yeah, I think the sprites look really nice and it's bright because some of them I found the,

uh-oh, it's like we've got troglodytes in the fort, troglodyte baby, because we'll have to go kill it. Yeah, some of them seem quite dark when you're looking at the screen. Like the color set, the color scheme is quite, just quite dark and I find it a little bit. harder to see. So I love the brightness of this particular tile set. We do have a little bit of a starter pack news. It looks like that just before our hiatus started,

Paradexus-Arant starter pack revision 6 was released. And I've been running still on revision 5, which was released back in I think July. But of particular interest there is that they remove the meth graphics due to attribution and copyright concerns. So there seems to be some trickle-down effect

from the graphics situation. Yeah, I was reading something about that either in the A-12 forms or the Reddits and no idea. I don't think anything's been disclosed about what happened, which I assume is the result of somebody's lawyers saying we don't talk about what's

going on here. So I guess as we don't really know what's going on, I wouldn't want to speculate on why that happened other than it was probably just somebody with good intentions grabbing assets that they didn't have copyright for and putting it in there, not thinking it meant it was any big deal. And largely isn't. So I don't think there's anything malicious happening or anything like that. I guess it's all that was my point. And whenever I say that, that's not me coming up with that. That's actually on the release notes of the starter pack. It says removed Meph graphics due to attribution copyright concerns. Yeah, yeah, no, it's not that.

That wasn't, uh, not that I'm not taking it seriously. I guess I should context that because in the Reddit, they were like, and meth stealing other people stuff. And I'm like, I don't think that's what this is. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't think we totally know what's going on. I suspect that it could be something as, as small as like the Spider-Man was there. I mean, that's probably. It's cute.

It's a great homage. You can have like a dwarf that looks like Mario, right? That's it. Like, I think that there was a. But if you're going to be commercializing something, you can't have that. Yeah, exactly. So did PE need to pull it? I don't know.

Probably not, but... Probably not, yes. But I suspect... Which I am glad that I still have the graphics pack. I can just copy it over from Revision 4. Drop it right into the art section of Revision 5, and I'm sure it will... Yeah, and I'm guessing, though, that the corporation that backs P.E.'s work, ha, ha, ha, is probably thinking I don't have time to deal with any potential cease and desist.

So I'm going to proactively rip this out because what a hassle. So yeah, it's kind of bummer. He did update Vetlinger's graphics packed to 1.6 as well. Very cool. I haven't visited that one for a while. Great. Well, may we not need them soon? Other Starter Pack news, it looks like Enay's Linux LNP has been discontinued.

It hadn't been updated for a while, but on the Dwar Fortress Wiki page, it actually says now that it is discontinued. So the version of if you're running Linux and you want to use a starter pack, McCarckadee's

Linux dwarf pack is the option of choice it seems. And isn't he the one? Unfortunately, I can't get that to run on Fodora. I've been,

I've pretty much changed from Ubuntu to Fodora. And it doesn't seem to want to run on there. And I've not spent the time to try to troubleshoot it out. Part of it, It may be because, is it a deb?

I don't think it's a deb. Anyway. I think one of those guys put it in a... Rambling. Somebody put it their starter pack on GitHub, and you can just basically pull the GitHub and then effectively has a script that compiles it into a starter pack

and goes and pulls down all the new pieces and bits and stuff like that. For Linux? Yeah, it works on Mac too, questionably on Mac, because it references a broken encryption or broken, it has a broken library for 7Zip on on Mac or for Zip on Mac.

So it doesn't zip it, but it pulls enough of it together. If you know what you're doing, you can pull out the starter pack. But I think it probably works properly on Linux. So that might be a way forward. And on the Mac side of things, since we last podcasted, the Mac has a new hardware version of their whiz-bang new processors.

and everything Door Fortress runs really well under emulation and that without having to futz around with any settings. It just basically runs very quickly for emulated as well. Just in general, it's fast and good. So when you say under emulation, do you mean like the old Mac pack? So Door Fortress is compiled for the Intel architecture, and Mac has moved off of Intel to their own arm chips. And so in doing so, Apple created a virtualization, basically an emulation layer.

So if it detects an Intel binary, it will still run it. It just runs it in an emulation environment. And even running the Intel version under emulation on the new Arm OS is faster than my now aging I-9 CPU. So that's pretty cool. like they've yeah so my question was the you don't mean running a windows emulator it's running the native mac version rosetta stone or whatever they call it i also tried to run um the paradexis serrant starter pack version under the um windows arm emulator parallels and that did not work it um i think tvb t wbt

was the source of the trouble there because when you turn that off, it worked. But then when you turned it on, basically just glitched the screen out. Is there a VMware or a virtual box solution for the M1 Macs? Yeah, they've got parallels and I think VMware, but basically it just runs the arm version of windows in a window. But yeah, it was an utter failure,

so I didn't spend too much time on it and just went back to... And if you can get the Mac version to run on it anyway, then... Exactly, exactly. And, you know, if Tarn compiles the next client for Mac, then all is going to be great. Eventually, it's going to have to be because if you're going to still support Mac, then you're going to have to compile it for the M1 because that's where they're going to be.

Yeah, and hopefully somebody can get Tarn access to an R Mac somehow, some way. So that we can have this. It seems like it would behoove every Mac users to make sure he has that. Interestingly, you know, they're cheaper than the Intel platform, really. You can get an M1 Mac, the one of those little Mac minis for like five or six hundred bucks. It's not too bad. We're a very, very fast single core chip.

Okay. I think that's all that I had for the news. Anything else you don't want to cover for the news portion? I think we got it. All right. Let's move on now. Justin Lothamor, patron and manager of the shrine of the Pax of Justifying, invites you to come meditate and praise your chosen deity. The Pax of Justifying is a non-denominational shrine with two musical instruments to accompany your dance of worship.

All visitors are welcome. Okay, so let's talk about our fortresses. Tony, have you done any other fortress work except for the one that we're playing live? Yeah, yeah. I've had a couple. So, and anything interesting happening in your fortresses?

I had an awesome one running really, really well, and then we had a mechanism failure on a drawbridge and an undead invasion, and somebody got through faster because I couldn't get the dwarfs to close the stupid drawbridge quickly enough, so one of them,

one of the scourge of invasion, leaders one, mind you, one, wiped out 137 of my dwarfs. So that was a bit of a down. Jesus. Whomp. Womp. Oh, my. Yeah.

He was pretty wild. And then, you know, he was down like one shotting for forgotten beasts in the cavern. He was a real champ. So what the hell? Did you look him up in Legends mode because that is unreal? I so should have done that. Oh, crap.

Oh, next time. You didn't tell the world. Did you? No, I still have the world, but I don't remember the beast. But maybe I can figure it out, actually. I might go try to figure that out. Just check your fortress. You should be in there because, you know, he had attacked the fortress and killed a lot of people.

So you should be in there. I should go find that. You know, the event probably even has a name. It's called the incompetent. The incompetent. The incompetence is the name of it. It's called failure. Zombie Man, Steve, killed 206 dwarves in.

The slaughter binge. The culling. In Fortress mode, or sorry, in Legends mode, apparently whenever big events like that happen, they get named. The culling of the roundtable. The great fireburn and things like that. Yeah.

Oh, dear. How about you guys? Roland, did you have any fun fortressing? Oh, my God. Well, okay, several things, right? First of all, slightly bad news, as it seems, I might have accidentally retired my old world of Palm Torch, you know, the one that I played for like 400 years.

Oh, no. Yeah, the one, you talked about that in the very first episode. Yeah. It's gone. I can't find it. I don't know where it is. I used to have it on the older PC. It's not on my new one.

It's not in my safe files. I don't know where it is. I fear I deleted it. sadness um it is sad however it's not too sad because ultimately there was nothing to be done in the world anymore i i had eradicated everything there was no life form except for dwarfs except for like a goblin small island with like goblins on it uh not not goblins um the small ones um elves cobalts cobalts um and i ignored them because i found it hilarious but uh no forgotten beasts, I breached hell like six times, I think, set demons lose, then went

out with adventurers and killed them again. So at that point, I had nothing to do anymore. However, new fortress, the Bloodline Fortress I am currently playing, had a hilarious event, okay? And I have to tell everybody about this hilarious chain of events. Okay, so I'm playing this fortress and at some point I realize there is a Wren woman corrupted hunter clinging above our entrance to the wall, okay? She's just

clinging to the wall like what is that even? Ten meters above my entrance and it's like a water entrance, right? So when I pull a lever she would have drowned in like a waterfall but she's clinging to there and And for two years, I think, almost, she kept being stuck there.

And at some point, I just ignored it. You know, like, okay, the bad woman is doing her nest. Whatever. And then suddenly a wear panda appears. And I'm like, oh, no, okay, damn it. It is really close to my... Aware panda? A wear panther?

Panda, you know, the bear. Oh, dear. Yeah. Eucalyptus munching, right, no, that's koalas. They're scarier than you think they are. I've been right up next to one. And they have really big claws and sharp teeth. Don't be fooled.

I'm saying, don't be fooled. Yeah, I mean, they have a funny personality, but this one was a wear pander. They'll eat you. Yeah, they'll eat you. The whole cute part is completely gone. It's out for blood. And it was really close to my fortress already, you know. We drained the river

So it jumped down into the river Basin and was about to run into my fortress And half of my civilians were still out And I'm like, oh no, okay, this is going to be bad I'm going to have a lot of way of pandas And my military was nowhere close to that But then suddenly Suddenly our savior from above

The Wren woman corrupted hunter Suddenly jumped down and started beating the absolute living shit out of this wear panda and I was confused because like huh what is happening but I liked it you know

because I had the time to get my military in and beat it up and it then died and the the Wren woman corrupted hunter just went back to her clinging spot above my entrance like nothing happened

and I was really confused you know like really confused. Okay, we had three wear beasts because some of them in military had no shoes on, so they got bitten in the legs. That's the spirit. But I managed to find it fairly

easily, so that was nice. But hot damn. And I was like, oh, okay, this is the savior of our fortress, you know? So I erected a statue in her honor in the kitchen. And if you actually

Google in the wiki, the dwarf fortress official wiki, so to say, and you go for Wren Man, right? Then there will be a hilarious text about that very thing, and there is

a cute, amazingly done Photoshop of the statue that I did of Toto pointed scrapes. And that is, but it got worse. Okay, it got worse. Because at some point...

That's your work? No, it's not. It actually got sent into the chat. I don't remember. Was it you tech it? I'm not sure if you actually did that. Anyway, I got sent it into the Twitch chat, and it was hilarious. Oh, can I use that for the episode image?

Please do. I can also, I'm not sure if you get the highest resolution of the wiki, but I can send a high resolution. I don't be in touch with his people for a copyright. discussion. I'm sure the license will be easy. Techett did it, yes. That's awesome. But from then on, it spiral downwards, okay? Because at some point, I checked back on her, you know, our Lord and Savior, and she was gone, sad. And then my year was over. I gave it back to Techard, and then he played, he gave it back to me, and I check and I do a lot of justice stuff,

because I got a dwarf for justice and I'm like, okay, people keep stealing my artifact, my stuff. Okay, this is annoying. So I get like a... Dwarven justice warrior. Yeah, exactly. And then I realized that every single corrupted hunter or corrupted whatever, you know, the intelligent undead, are all plotting for my demise.

And I'm like, oh, do you know, so I start straight up murdering every single of those intelligent undead I can find in my tavern. Wow. So you went full racist on them. That's crazy. That's really hardcore. But now the fun thing is because Tolto pointed scrapes turned up

again. But I realized that Tolto pointed scrapes, too, is an intelligent undead being. So I did make an interview with her and she said yes I am here to steal your artifacts and that could not fly okay she saved my fortress but I could

not I could not ignore that you're so cold she admitted so I told her okay get her into a cage get her into a cage I will wall her in forever okay I can't I can't kill her because she is a hero to me but I can also let her run free because she will steal from me so I put her into a cage and now my viewers and friendly friends keep telling me I'm in the wrong you can see it in the chat right now she was not a repentant soul ticket she was blood she was evil to the core she was a puppet of dark magic I'd say throw her in the lava yeah um so that was a extremely funny tidbit and uh yeah It felt good, you know, to like see the whole story playing out.

I actually looked at her in Legends Viora and what she did. She stole two artifacts from us, returned to the tower where she was from, gave it to the Necromancer, got new orders, and went back to us. I did that like three times. And at the last time, I just put her under a cage and water in. With a gold block, by the way, I'm not that heartless, you know. I use my most incredible material to wall her in. She wanted precious things.

She liked treasure, so, you know. She did. She liked treasure. But sadly, it was our treasure that she liked so much. Well, you know, sometimes it's just about the friends you meet along the way. Yeah, yeah, the friends you meet along the way and the people that you realize aren't your friends because they keep bashing you on your Twitch tab. Yeah, I mean, it's the hazards of, uh, hazards of the game, man. Hazards of the game.

This segment is brought to you by Klinodev, creator of Imsalmat Udo Zarath, Ray spends the man of magic, a Lymanite crown. All craft's dwarf ship is of the highest quality. It is encrusted with round limonite cabachons and round shale cabachons. This object menaces with spiked. of shale. On the item is an image of black bears and horse leather. I want to give a bit of a post-mortem on pick hour. My fortress that I had been running since, I guess, July since the summer. This was absolutely the most successful fortress that I have

had the pleasure to run. And I think that it ran for something like 12, 14, 14, game years. So it was it was quite nice. It ended up being collapsing under its own weight because of poor fortress organization. Everything was sprawled out. I had too much stuff and suffered a lot of frightened death. I did manage to mitigate that somewhat, but it was it was time for this fortress to be retired. So I did so. But before I retired it, I did do some. I did do some. some experiments. You know, that was the, the fortress that I learned how to make multi-level walls with, and I built that, that great pyramid of Pick Hour. And so that was really neat. I also, though, successfully built water wheels. And I hooked a water pump up to water wheels

and flooded lots of area. So this was, whenever I knew that I was going to be retiring it, I was just doing a little bit of experimentation. But I was very happy that I successfully created a water wheel, and now I feel a little bit more accomplished because I have the ability to power things. So I may be looking towards mine carts, perhaps in my next fortress. So you used mine carts and it worked? No, no. I used water wheels. And the water wheels worked to power a pump. But in order to use mine carts, I think that, no, I don't guess you do have to use powering for minecarts, do you? I know that the Krug Smash had a experimental fortress where he did that.

And Nate from down under had the Minecraft, or sorry, the, wow, I keep doing that. The mine cart shotgun, if you recall that. Yep, I remember. The mine cart water shotgun. Yes, yes, quite fondly. So both of those had powered rollers to zoom the mine carts along. That's quite a bit in the future, but I was very happy to have gotten waterpower running. That's good.

Yeah. So Peckauer is now retired. I did find something interesting, though. I found that whenever I retired it, the fortress went to ruin. It had almost 200 dwarves in it, but it did not say that your dwarves are carrying on beyond your cares, which is typically what happens whenever I retire a fortress. Now, it says that it's been abandoned to ruin. So I went and unretired the fortress just to see what was there and there was nobody there.

Interesting. You have to check legends and see where everybody went and why. That's a good idea. I'll have to do that. Maybe I'll copy a save to do that because I've already started up another fortress in that world. That's a good idea. Okay. Well, I had planned on doing a Q&S.

an A section here this episode, but we are actually running a little bit longer. So maybe we should wrap up here. Turns out. So I need to cover. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Works for me. If you have sent in a question, a comment, and we weren't able to get to it today, we will do that next time. And if you would like to send us an email or send us a comment, you can either comment on the, at DFRoundable.com on the episode that we are running right now or you can send us an email at

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It's like two hours. We get two bucks per hour now. We can almost finance my living now. Pretty good. Very nice. It's pretty good. Bag of chips. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

They're paying you a lot more than they're paying me. It's the way it always works, my friend. It's the way it always works. And he gets free health care. with his too so how about that yeah exactly it's very nice all right guys thanks for joining us everybody and until next time happy fortressing see you all see you guys this has been the dwarf fortress roundtable podcast you can find all our past episodes at df roundtable dot com stop by and leave a message or suggestion in the comments section for this episode while you're there you can subscribe to

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