Dwarf Fortress Roundtable - Ep.115: Elves Suck

Episode Date: March 22, 2025

Lets catch up on snake fortresses, fungal wine, frame death and annoying immortal pointy eared snobs. Graphviz Reddit post Pretentious Ingredients on Sorted Food YouTube channel

Welcome to Dwarf Fortress Roundtable, the podcast for all things Dwarfee. I'm Jonathan. And I'm Roland. I'm Tony. I forgot to have us introduce ourselves last time. How you doing, everybody? Yeah, I know, right? That's what we do, right?

Yay. So my queen is really being a pain in the butt about the quarters. I have got like 20,000 dwarf bucks worth of artifacts in her tomb. And it is listed as a tomb, but it is not a, it's not listed as a royal mausoleum yet. Huh. Yeah, it's, oh, wait, it says no tomb. Why does it say no tomb? Did I not, what that?

Oh, you know what I bet? I carry on. I got to see if I can fix this real quick before. You guys just, just talk. Talk amongst yourselves while I play the game. Carry on, close yourselves. Yes, thank you. Well, you know, so I've been getting back into breeding more snake people.

Oh, my goodness. Wow. It works way too good. So I had like a children's playpen, like a secure room where I could store my children and make sure they have everything that they need, food and water and beds, etc. so they can just, you know, mingle and play and have fun. And that actually works really well because now all my children are really happy. And now I have added a small room with nest boxes next to that area where the children are. And then I put down a burrow in the hopes that at some point I will have some eggs.

Well, I did. And now I'm at 306 people. I got like 60 new snakes men, snake men from just quote-unquote one breeding season. How's your frame rate? My frame rate currently is at 29. So, not great, not optimal. And now I'm considering how to deal with this new ability to just have. have more snake men. So I've been trying to figure out who's with whom. Like there's two large

families and they start to have like snake couples. So I take these snake people couples and I now try and send them out to an area so they conquer it like a human hamlet where there's no more humans left so i sent them out and they conquer it and then they stayed there and they occupy it and my hope is that then because they're a couple they start to also produce more snake men off the map and now i have enough snake men at home to like get them everywhere in the world and then i i have the hope that at some point my fortress will no longer be the center of snake men population am i weird with it Probably, yeah. Well, I'm a little obsessive, I'd say.

I'm not sure about weird. Oh, they're so cute. You want to dominate the world with your own image. That sounds perfectly seen. That's quite crumulent, yes. I mean, they breed so fast. One snake egg basket breeding season, whatever, can have like 24 to 30 eggs or something.

It's crazy. And when they're fertile, and they all had, you have 30 new snake man good grief no no kidding 30 at a time good lord yeah it can be some it's usually somewhere between like 20 and 28 really but my god it's so many snake people that just pop up and they start working at zero years so the the second they're out of the egg they're adults uh which has very funny implications, because, for example, here, Bombrick Confid Mines is a snake person who was literally born this year. So he is zero years old, and he's already a skilled metal crafter and a competent blacksmith. It's so crazy to me that they start working right away. He's also a novice

dancer, but he's rusty. How are you rusty already? What if? Yeah, so my snake then production thing is ramping up. And for that reason, I wanted to have a look at family relations. And somewhere like last week or the week before that, I saw a comment on the subreddit. And somebody wrote a script that essentially pulls out family relations information and makes it into some kind of code that you can put into an online program. So you can have a little graphic that shows like who's with whom and who's married to whom and, you know, children. And it's not just like two people that you would have an legend's viewer, but you would have your entire fortress in one single image.

And I found that to be really cool. That is something that I've been missing. And I wanted to see, you know, how large are the snake families? Well, they are so large. Sounds like big. I said it sounds pretty big. So when you say in one single image, you mean like in the same style rather than... Yeah, yeah, it's a very similar image to the old legends viore

where you would have like a box and with a name in it and like arrows and little colors here and there. But it's not just like two people that you actually click on and their parents or whatever. But it is the entire fortress in one large image. And usually it works fantastic. The problem is the snake families are so big that they like break the program and it's just garbage that you see because you either have to zoom out really far and you can't read anything or if you, I can't, I can't, I can't, hang on, I have to this, I'm just going to put it in the inside channel for now. Wow, that looks like a word cloud. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Good grief.

And usually you would have, like, very nice-looking relations. And for normal-sized dwarf family, this works great. But because my snake families are so massive, and it's essentially, like, one couple of snakes has, I don't know, 80, 90, 100 children. And that makes this, this, This cloud just so dense that you can't really see anything. And we're back. And we're back. You all know that means we've had another slab of

appear at the gate. This time, it is no doll that has spoken. The latest slab inscription reads, from many voices, the mountain finds its will. Gather and be heard. So, let's gather, be heard, and try not to regret it. First order of business. The Baroness of Stant's mind is now a countess. She must be housed accordingly. At least she earned it. Spied a forgotten beast herself. It was a giant hairy may fly, a very nasty thing with deadly dust. Also we found a dead giant tarantula

in the caverns. We are not sure what took it down, but I'm not complaining. Fantastic. The Baroness gets a promotion for killing some bug, while the regular folks are struggling to keep the fortress fed. Speaking of which, we built a fishery and assigned dwarfs

to fish, but somebody needs to do something. Maybe a fish catching training course is in order, because nobody is fishing. Truly, a master-class in efficiency. Next, we'll build a brewery with no brewers. Maybe they're scared of the water.

Things just keep turning up dead. What's next, a haunted car? No excuses. Food must flow. Nobles must be housed, and our enemies must be eliminated. Make it happen. Well, Longbeard, you heard the queen.

Fancy house for the Countess. Figure out why our fishered wars are on strike and brace for whatever deep-dwelling nightmare is next. We have done known doll bidding. We gathered and hurt each other. Meeting adjourned. Here you hear. So, um, I have achieved frame death.

Oh, no. Look at the, uh, underneath. Your WordCloud, a run above the word cloud is a picture of the Forgotten Beast destroying my... Oh, no. There's really no way to save that. So underneath there, it actually says zero frames per second. Right. Oh, you can disable copilot on there.

Maybe that'll get you another frame or two. What's that? Get rid of co-pilot. Maybe that'll get you another frame or two. I'm sure Microsoft turned it back on. Yeah, I'll just punch you back in. You don't get out of those things. You will take our A.I. You know, I wanted actually to bring forth some information that I believe Mike put on the subreddit, and I found it so nice and helpful that I wanted to shout it out. And now I can't find the comment on the comment. Well, I've got something from the subreddit that is absolutely not helpful and not a pertinent.

it really did anything, but it's a little bit fun. Okay. That thing that scrubs your Reddit profile. Oh, yeah, that one. Was that what you talk about? Not exactly, but yeah, let's talk about that, because

that was funny. Is that the one that gets her to all your Reddit comments for all of history and ruins the search engine? This stuff. What? Well, I also know. It's, okay, yeah, there's one plugin. It would be tough to ruin the Reddit search engine

more than it's already ruined. No, I mean, the Google indexes Reddit, like there's a way... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no. Oh, is there? I'm pretty sure Yohan was talking about the funny AI-generated text that says what kind of Reddit user you are based on your history on Reddit. Oh, geez.

Yeah, it throws all of your Reddit posts into an LLAM and makes a summary of your profile. Reddit Rapped, I think it was called. It just sounds invaluable. You know, I mean, the, the... The program apparently found out where I live, which, okay, I guess. That's kind of scary. No, that's not really hard to find out. I do believe that I mentioned it once or twice in the comments.

However, it gave me a pie chart of activity, and then it just said, hometown activity, and it was like a legit one-fourth of the entire pie chart. There's no way. It's no way I'm active that much in any capacity. subreddits regarding my hometown. No way. So are you saying that this AI thing, the vision of our shared wonderful future puffed it up? Oh, sorry. Oh, bleep me. I can't believe it. It's so reliable. It's always getting things right. I can't believe it was wrong. Man. Yeah. That's really shocking. But it gave me a good idea for future writing exercises.

Okay, cool. What do you do? doing. Let me quote it to you before I get something wrong. So, for example, there's two of them that are, that were kind of cute on mine. One of them, it says from my personal projects, you'll finally automate the Dwarfortress Roundtable podcast production process using a complex system of mine carts and levers, only to realize it's more efficient to just edit it manually. And you'll create R slash Dwarfortress Podcast promo. is a subreddit dedicated solely to promoting the Dwell Fortress Roundtable podcast,

and they get banned for self-promotion. Circle of Life, baby. That's right. So they were actually kind of cute. No, we would never do that. We would never. Yeah, if anything, we don't self-promote enough. That's, I think that's a statement.

Yeah. I think that's a statement. That is a true thing. But you know what? That's, that's okay. I guess that we could do some more promotion, but I'm not into, into self-promotion at all. Not into shameless self-promotion. Let the content speak for itself.

Yeah, we now have five listeners. Thank you. Thank you. Five of some of the... Five dedicated people. Five of the most brilliant Door Fortress Players' history. You, right now listening to this. Three of them are family.

You guys are the best. I don't think my family is listening to it. It's definitely not them. I really hope mine's not. Hey, we're up to one frame per second, cool. Sweet. I'm going to, let's just, I've got all of my, my squads are attacking this. I was up to a hundred and ninety-eight dwarves in my, in my fortress.

And I noticed that the frame rate had dropped down to about 35, 40 frames per second. And now this forgotten beast and this battle that's going on. on is like just brought the thing to its knees. It's what process it looks like. It doesn't have like deadly dust or anything, right? It's got fire, she's fire. Oh no,

fire will kill you. It's a, yeah, because of all the smoke. I think there might be a DF hack command you can use that'll get rid of that maybe. What, fire? Smoke? Yeah, the smoke, I think. Oh. Am I right about that or am I wrong. Well, you know, I think that I'm going to let it go because this is the, this is one of

those fortresses that I have, um, decided to, to let go through its entire life. Now, that entire life may now be, you know, two dwarf months longer because of an idiot who's managing the place. But yeah. So I think I'll just, uh, let the smoke go and as long as my computer doesn't catch on fire. Yeah, if you start smelling real smoke from it, that's when you know it's time to pull it back. Yeah, DwarFortress is using 30% of my CPU and 72% of my memory. That is truly why the firebeasts might actually be the most devastating FB that you can have happen to you, because they will set your PC on fire literally.

Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and pause it here. And Chrome is using up a good amount of my processor too, so I don't want to. Love it. Chrome will do it. I mean, it doesn't like the, it's the audio stuff that we're doing right now, because I suspect you're playing it on that machine. Yeah, I am. As a matter of fact.

Yeah. Yeah, video and audio in browser can be quite a kerfuffle. So that should... Put single core. And from the annals of Future Fly, Mondrigar uncovered an ancient tome, and it read. The ale was gone. At first, it was a minor discomfort.

Grumbling, shaking hands, a nervous edge to every glance. But then, from the fathomless dark below, it came. A nightmare clad in flame, with the head of an alligator and ribs grotesquely exposed to the acrid air. It crawled forth from the cavern depths, belching infernos, turning stone to slag. and flesh to char screams echoed through the halls as our warriors met it axes flashing shields melting in their grasp the beast was slain its corpse steaming upon the bloodslick floor but the abyss was not finished with us no sooner had our warriors caught their breath than a chittering horror filled the tunnels batmen swarming shrieking descending upon the weary and wounded claws tore us through unarmored flesh. Fangs found throats, and the fortress ran red once more.

When the slaughter ended, nearly half our number lay still. Smouldering. Torn. Ruined. The survivors? Hollow-eyed. Trembling.

And worst of all, still sober. So saith the ancient scribe, brought forth by the sage Mondragar. May the stones blesses. him. Oh no. Where did I put it here? I actually found the helpful comment that Mike did on the questions thread.

And I found it so cool and helpful and good. So I wanted to give it like a shout at, right? So the original question was, so something happened in my Siv and now I have eight nobles, each one of them wanting me to constantly make things I don't want. Can I somehow stop them from demanding construction of these things? Oh, you sure can. Oh, you can, but you don't have to kill them because this is now amazing. You can drastically reduce the frequency of their mandates by changing the mandate setting to what is that? thousand in the D.F. difficulty settings, says Mike. So you don't have to kill your no. Everyone,

I repeat myself. You don't have to kill your nobles anymore. You can tweak your settings. So where's the difficulty settings? So it's settings, it's difficulty, it's custom settings, and now let's see where it is. It's the game menu, not the, not the DFF menu. Yeah. settings difficulty here mandate period i believe he talks about it is at the very top mandate period currently i have it is sent to 1,000 if you slap it higher like that okay no more mandates sweet yours is at the top mine's not at the top um does it just get rid of all mandates um i don't think it gets rid of them i think it just uh like spaces them out by adding a larger cooldown in between.

Basically, you'll kill the fortress before they mandate something. Probably, yeah. I don't mind the mandates if they would, I've got, you know, three members of royalty. One of them went from a baroness to a countess, by the way. So I've got a queen of a countess and a baroness, and one of them want scepters, and we already have like 15 billion scepters. No, that's an exaggeration. But another one wants socks.

I've got socks, you know, out the shoe. And the other one, I want shields. And I've got crates full of steel shields. I don't need these things. So, yeah, I don't feel bad about upping that number to 10,000. Yeah. It depends on the amount of nobles you have.

Currently, I'm cruising with essentially just the mayor, because my king is still missing in action. Where's your king go? I don't know, actually. Like, I'm unable to locate who the man is. I tried the Legends, not viewer, the web thing. And for some reason, it is a little bugged out for me. Legends browser next.

Yeah. And it's kind of bugged out. So you can see pretty much everything about a dwarf ever, except for one thing that is very important, which is just roles. so I don't know who's my mayor or who's like my militia whatever because that is the only text box where no text is written which is the only text box that I actually need to find out who is the king I suppose I know who he is I have an idea and I think I was originally right because I mentioned that oh oops did we lose him yep he just went he'll be back

or the he knows his way back the beast set his PC on fire that's true maybe it oh geez something else happened

did he try to come back in her I just heard the sound I did too it's weird I think it's the forgotten beast I think it took him out it's here right now is the forgotten

me is actually here with us right now yeah hi we were speculating on the forgotten beast probably taking you out. I think that it might have taken down my computer, Dwarfortress did. So, uh, in the combination of a, yeah, so I have just quit Dwarf fortress. I'm sorry, uh, please continue. Um, when we're talking about the, um, the, yeah, the king, the king. Um, so, uh, I have an idea who he is based on the amount of, um, like, uh, not actions, what's it

called like happenings in the world history based on the same? Events. Events, exactly, thanks. There's a lot of events that he has done. He's fairly old. He used to live in this fortress that I'm playing right now. And then for some reason, he left it. And he's now living in priest minds, my previous fortress.

He's not really doing anything there. Like, he doesn't have a job or anything, it looks like. He's just hanging out. He's not a noble? He's just hanging out. Well, I don't know. if he's a noble because that's the only box I can't read

but I just assume that that is the king because he has like a really long title and a lot of events and there's like I don't know 17,000 events I'm not going to go through all of them finding out whether or not there's one event that says yeah he got

he became king or whatever that's a little too much for me but I'm just going to assume that my king actually hangs out at my previous fortress and I don't know what to do with that information you can't get him back can you reclaim the old fortress

I mean I could do the same thing as before and let this fortress settle and replay the previous one but I'm not sure if he's then going to leave again because he didn't last time when I did that so Right, because he wants to be home.

You keep taking this poor thing away from its home. Yeah, and I think at this point, we are the capital, but our king is just, you know, this is very literally something out of actual world history where you have like the capital and it's like big and full of people and golden roads. and the king is just living in some kind of backwater because it's closer through some hot springs. Wow, okay, whatever. So is this like your version of Mar-a-Lago? Is that what I'm guessing? Your king doesn't want to live in the capital?

He wants to live in. Seems like it. Seems like it. In a separate capital. Yeah, okay. It makes sense. Seen it done. Yeah.

So that seems to be it from my detective work where my king is. he's cool he's alive that's like the I like to imagine it like your child goes missing and 30 years later like he calls you

like oh by the way I'm fine thanks okay that oh that's really weird I wonder if there's like a propensity so like why would you want to do that

maybe there's something in his profile that he likes that's there or something I don't know it's just weird why would you I think it is because I, like, touched the population settings when I re-embarked in the previous fortress. It had, like, a much lower amount of population, and that the game was like, oh, yeah, migraud rights. And then pushed over some dwarves from the, from Sword Kingdom to Priestmines, and for some reason the king was in there.

And then it never, like, took them back, because in Sword Kingdom, I'm technically way over my limit already. So maybe I could Increase the population limit to like 500 And just wait for the nearest migration waves Hmm Or would that depopulate the other fortress? You know what? I'm going to try it out Do it. Live on the edge, man

Take them down This is the first fortress that I've had That has really screwed up my frame count I've got like three levels of caverns breached I've got you know now I've forgotten beats with fire so apropos of nothing. Yeah, I've run into

problems fire, does it? Anything that's like clouds or whatever, that's trouble. Yeah, I'll reboot my system and then I'll bring Door Fortress up a little bit later and just have it go on its own and let my 40 awesome squad members destroy it. Um, is it outside?

Like did the forgotten beast spray his fire outside? because... No, it sprayed it across all my temples. Hmm, okay. Oh, yeah. Took down a couple workshops. If you can put out the fires,

there's a DFF thing that'll let you put out the fires. And if you do that, sometimes you can maintain enough of your frame rate to have a good experience still. Yeah, well, like I said, I want to see if I can let this,

even if it takes, you know, hours, I'm going to let this play itself out and see if my guys can, can kill the beast and my computer can recover from the from the onslaught i'll tell you one of the saddest things is when the beast comes through and it kills everything and then there's just a couple of children playing in a room somewhere yep yep i've had that happen and they basically hung around i think it may have been the first

fortress that uh that uh that i had given me the end game message but there was this one child that was hiding from the goblins that had that had uh destroyed everybody else and it was like hiding in in a stockpile behind boxes and stuff and he lasted for a long time before the goblins finally hunted him down and killed him. You hate to see it, but it does happen. That is the game we play.

You hate to see it, but you just, you know, you just have to roll with them punches. As you all know, a new slab has appeared after the two most distressing years in future flag's young history. The slab reads, stone crumbles in isolation. Let the fortress stand united in council. Brunder 313 calls for unity, and so we gather. But let us first recognize the new faces at this table. With Mayor Copperwhip lost to the horror, of the winter, the fortress has chosen shore-gast wilt-girders to lead us forward. I appreciate the faith, but let's be clear. I didn't take this job because I wanted it. I took it because we are barely holding together, and someone had to. And our new chief medical dwarf, Oddam Shot Gladness, who has the unenviable task of trying

to keep us all in one piece. Enviable? No, necessary? Absolutely. We've got fewer dwarves than ever. And every lost hand makes things worse. If you get hurt, don't walk it off. I'm not in the mood to patch up a bunch of stubborn, macho idiots. Then let's avoid getting hurt in the first place. Two years.

Two years of blood and fire of things that should never have been seen let alone fought. But we hail. Future flag still stands. Stands is generous. Populations been hard. Barely enough hands to work the forges let alone the farms.

If we don't get migrants soon, we'll be relying on ghosts to do the mining. At least ghosts don't demand wages. But Colette's right. We need to prioritize sustenance. No more running out of alcohol, because that's what started this whole mess. No, what started this was the caverns. That dumb beast, those batmen, the goblins. It's always something coming to kill us.

And now we are weaker than ever. Then we don't rebuild just for survival. we rebuild to thrive. We make future flags something worth defending. Strong walls. Overflowing stockpiles. Armoured warriors. Well-fed workers.

And most of all, the strength to fight another day. If we don't unite now, we'll fall apart just as the slab from Brunder 313 warned us. Find words. But words don't plant crops or forge weapons. That's why we start now. Less talking. More doing.

First priority, securing the basics, food, drink and replacements for the dead. Good luck with that. If we were a bit choosy before, that's gone out the door. At this point, we'll take anyone who can hold a pickaxe without licking it. And train them to fight. Because if history's taught us anything, it's that the next nightmare is already watching. Then let's be ready for it. Brunder 313 says we stand united. Let's prove it.

Here we hear. A listener name Mitchell sent an email in and said I know you've talked about mushroom wine and making your own a couple times and sent a link to a YouTube video which I will put in the show notes

And at the, about the 6.45, 6 minute and 45 second point in the video, they talk about these grapes that get infected by a fungus and they make wine out of it. And it looks, to me, very dwarfy, although it does look like they're drinking urine. Oh, God. They say it's very sweet. And so this particular fungus and this particular variety of grapes enhances the taste. the taste and makes it this like unique flavor. Unique flavor.

Yes. I do love it when my food has quote unquote unique flavor. In a good way, apparently. Is unique which you're looking for? Well, on this particular one, the name of this particular video is taste testing pretentious

ingredients. So the idea is they're trying to figure out if this is actually a good ingredient and worth the high money that you pay for it, or if this is simply pretentious. But yeah, I'll put a show of it. I thought it was pretty cute. It was very dwarfy.

When I saw the link that you sent, my mind instantly went to like mosquito brain roasts, by the way. Yes. That's gross, though, what they're doing. Yuck. I would drink it. Okay, well, you know, in Mongolia, they drink something called IROG, and it's... Yeah, I know. I know.

It's horse milk and then you ferment it by spitting in it. Yeah. That's delicious. I would drink that too. Look, to me, caviar sounds disgusting, but, you know, to each his own. I agree. I think that fish eggs are overstated in taste. They're okay.

You mean they have a strong flavor or they're not as good as people let on? They do have a strong flavor? It's like, hmm. Have you had a Lugo? without using the word egg or the word fish but yeah it does really taste like a fish egg

if you know what I mean it's very eggy is very fishy and have you ever taken fish oil capsules like bitten down on a fish oil capsule I've never bitten down on it yeah that's exactly how it tastes like in the first seconds

try not to do that it's okay I would say but I'm not going to pay a lot of money for that experience But have you tried the beluga What is apparently the best caviar in the world No, I have not tried that That's true

You know, there's fine craft beer And then there's, you know, schlitz True, true, true Yeah, I'm going to say it Not the finest craft beer I think we need more Monetary gain From the podcast

So I can afford that. So now we're going to try to get advertising from schlitz. You want to get schlitz? I don't know what that is, by the way. Oh, it's like a really bad beer. A bad beer. It is.

Button Optimator times 20. You know, I don't know that I have, I have, whenever I was working on a car, I've drank some schlitz and some hams. And so let's see, let's see what they're, what they're, do they even night schlitz anymore? I think I was playing around a lot more with Legends mode. That's kind of what I've been doing. I will dig into Legends mode and then I have these ideas of things I want to do.

And so I started a new one and I got a little discouraged because I started it and it was me in an embark with my, and I used my like, I have an Embark profile that's basically shock troops. It's like all they can do is military things. And so I was like, well, that's cool. We'll have him get up a quick, you know, just build them a quick bivouac or whatever. And then we'll start pounding on all these elves. Because the whole rest of this island that I'm on is elves.

So I was like, well, I'm going to kill all the elves. And then I'll retire the fortress. And then I will, you know, then I'll invade the homeland with this civilization. And I'll start conquering that. And the elves kicked my butt. Did they? So that's really sad. Wow.

Really sad state. It was basically I landed, built a bivouac. I had pretty skilled group of dwarves, but they captured three of them. And that was upsetting. I have never lost a battle to elves. Yeah. Maybe these are a bastard. Did they come with a lot of animals?

Because for me, it's always the stupid amount of animals that they throw at me. Yeah, I had elephants. Somebody had elephants. And now I think the elves had elephants. Elephants? Elephants. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly how they. get you like the actual elf is is weak as hell but every time they attacked me they brought like

30 elves and 200 animals and at some point no matter how good your military dwarfs are they simply drown and bodies get exhausted fall over and then dead yeah well in my fortress the last time the elves showed up I told them what they could do with their trees so let's see if they could show up on my doorstep coming up yeah they don't like that yeah I know they they They had warned me a couple of times, and finally they came back with basically an ultimatum, and I told them, you know, to buzz off. So we'll see. Good. I hope they don't bring oleifants.

Yeah. I mean, I don't usually have them attacking me first. I tend to mostly be the aggressive person. Well, they're just annoying, right? I mean, they show up to try to sell your crap and then bitched you because you didn't sort out the, you know, you know, know, one thing with a little bit of wood that's been embedded into the handle, right? Yeah, or you bring them something and it's in a crate. They get so mad at that.

So, yeah, honestly, you have... Just steal their crap. So much stuff. And it's like perfect, perfect plant cloth, 4,000 rolls of plant cloth that are worth more than several of their stupid hippie trees. and there's one single llama wool in there and they're like and then they leave

and I'm like okay but do I get the animal in the cage and they're like now shame is this necessary yeah you're kind of jerks about that plus they're hypocritical it's like they gripe at you about the things that you have made out of wood and then they sell you

grown elder or grown older armor grown older this grown oak that you know it's like oh yeah you saw me wood you stupid freaking elf yeah that's cool but it's been grown it was grown it was naturally made that way because

we're elves and we can magically make these trees grow in however we want them and they want to give us those pieces of wood yeah bite me which they will be back to bite me I'm sir I'm sure soon yeah yeah we really hate them yes elves suck thank you Tarn

thanks Tarn You're making us all hate elves. I felt like when I started the game, I felt very agnostic towards elves. Like, I didn't, they, they were fine or they weren't. Like, I just don't care. And now I just really don't like them. Now I just think they're smug and pretentious.

And after this elephant saga, man, going, they are my number ones. I want to team up with the goblins now. You know, that's an interesting thing that he's done with elves that doesn't really get a whole lot of, to play but he has he has very much taken the the tradition of elves and kind of flipped it on its head a little bit they i mean even tolkien's elves were a little bit you know uh snobbish and snobbish yeah but he is he's taken that to it to a to a level to where it's just they're

insufferable it's great i mean let's not forget the fact that they do have magic they do have like weird druid stuff that isn't correctly in the game yet but they are also very much cannibals because that quote unquote is like cleaning up nature or whatever like okay

I have a title for this podcast now this episode elves suck good cannibal elves elf elephants I think I need to bolt pretty soon I get it dry

today. All right. I think we can wrap this one up. I'm going to do, I'm going to put Baldur's Gate down. I'm going to, I'm going to lead that run its course and get back into my Elven conquering, because I'm not giving up on those turds. I mean, you can take Baldur's Gate and make a dwarf character in Baldur's Gate and then simply go around beating else.

Yeah, I definitely can do that. There's a good path to that. All right, everybody. are tuning in to Dwarfortress Roundtable one more time and we will talk to you all next time, all right? See ya. Bye-bye. See ya.

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