Dwarf Fortress Roundtable - Ep.117: Misinformation

Episode Date: April 24, 2025

In this episode, Jonathan spouts off some wrong information. Nothing new... he just caught himself this time.

Welcome to Dwarf Fortress Roundtable, the podcast for All Things Dwarfee. My name's Jonathan. And I'm Roland. I'm Tony. And we are here to talk about all things Dwarf Fortress as we have done 116 or so times before. What's up, guys? Crime any. Crime any.

I know. Wow. 116. This is episode 117, but there's this loss. episode that's episode 100 I don't know where it happened I think it's in the archives isn't it it dropped a chatter on the floor

yeah I think isn't that the one that we recorded with Keanu Reeves it is he was breathtaking it was amazing I can't believe we had problems with the recording that day you know what it was it was so so good that the goblins came in and stole it so we need to send out of party to

take it back huge huge fan of the show yeah huge fan of the pod So I have got this problem with my fortress where my dwarves keep on leaving with the caravans. I've never seen this happen in any other fortress, but on the last episode, I talked about how 20 dwarves took off with the caravan. It dropped me from, you know, 100 down to 80. Well, it happened the next year, too. The autumn caravan came, and a whole bunch of dwarves took off with it.

I was back up to like 110 dwarves. I'm back down to 87 now. again because they took off with the caravan. I've never seen this before. Is this new? Took off with the caravan. I don't want to say it's your fort. Well, it may be, but my people don't seem unhappy.

I've got a heck of a lot more happy dwarves than pissed off dwarves. Maybe they're leaving with elves? No, they're leaving with dwarves. Okay. Yeah. No, they're not leaving with elves. No, then I would think there was something, you know, underhanded going on where the elves were actually, they're not leaving of their own accord.

the elves are actually casting a spell or something on them and they're going back to feed the horde like an alien kidnapping kind of way but no they're going back with dwarfs i don't know i if i can get my dwarves to get any work done then i think that i'm going to make a at least a small temple for every religion that exists for any dwarf in my fortress oh so i'm i might try that making like a three by three, you know, little temple nook. So we'll see if that, we'll see if that makes any difference. Yeah, are they mad about not having enough religion in their lives? I don't know.

By the time that I, by the time that I find out that they've taken off, I can't access their stuff anymore. That is so weird. There's not a lot of, like, deaths happening or war. Well, yeah, I told you that there was. Oh, oh, okay. I mean, there was a... I might have a theory here. Might have a theory.

If you recall, this is the fortress where we were up to 200, and then a forgotten beast got loose in the tavern. And between them and the Batman, and, yeah, we dropped from about 200 all the way down to 100. And then 20 more of those took off with a caravan. We spent a good year trying to get back into shape, and the next autumn caravan. came and I lost 20 more dwarves. Oh, no. We've had a couple more forgotten bees show up,

but the squads have been able to dispatch those quite handily. So I disbanded all of my squads and reformed them into from five squads to nine squads. And in each of those nine squads, I put five dwarves in them. I am actually having them only train one month a year. I feel like this is one of those. story problems in math. Jonathan has five dwarves. Three dwarves work on...

My point is I spread my dwarves out to more squads, but that way I'm going to have less dwarves training at any given time so that they can actually help out with the fortress workload. You know, I frantically just Googled the immigration dwarves, dwarves leaving, and whatever. And I have found something. Oh, yeah. Pretty new tell.

Let me just read it to you. Please. This D.F. Hacks script. Oh, what else? Of course. Implements an emigration mechanism, which allows unhappy dwarfs to emigrate from the fortress. Emigrants may choose to leave with a caravan, diplomat, or even on their own. So...

Oh, what if that's turned on? I think you have a turn on, apparently. Well, okay. That just means I've got to start a war fortress now, thank you. Talk amongst yourselves. Um, where is it? What's this script called? If my computer blows up, I'm blaming you, Roland.

Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. Where is e? Immigration. Those two words sound too much alike for using this. Oh, yeah. No, it is literally just... Immigration. Yeah, the, the keyword is immigration. That sounds like something I would enact, because... Oh, there is. Yeah.

I tend to not want to have to... to deal with unhappy dwarves, so I just let them go away, which may still be a good thing. I just want to know what the mechanism is that's causing this. And if that's the case, then hunky-dory. Ooh, interesting. It also gives examples on how to use the script. For example, emigration nobles. Oh, okay.

Emigration nobles all. Emigrate all nobles that do not rule your fortress. Cool. Well, all my nobles and all my military seem to be. immune from the emigration issue because none of my squad members and none of my nobles appointed or royal tend to take off so there's also enable immigration and i believe that might be the issue here you accidentally enable the script and now i might have done it all purpose it sounds like a good idea to me until i actually start losing dwarves yeah i mean if it's

Storves you don't want that are causing you problems, you may have done yourself an accidental solid. Sometimes the freeloader is worse than anything else. True, but a unhappy worker. I will sound like a hellscape capitalist when I say this, but an unhappy worker is still a worker. That is true. Sure.

That's not late-stage capitalism at all. Roland Stalin. Yeah. Whoa, whoa. So I personally would not allow. my dwarfs to leave because, oh, they feel flimsy today. Excuse me, Uris. Get back to work.

Kim Jong-Ulund? Is that the way it is? My fortress is inescapable. EMI, right? Yeah, there it is. Immigration. Let's go on it. Allow dwarves to immigrate from the fortress when stressed. If a dwarf is spiraling downward and is unable to cope in your fort,

this tool will give them the choice to leave the fortress, and the map GTFO buddy I want to see I want to Before I do anything I want to see What the status is

Is there a Is there a Immigration status Immigration Can you can you see if it's I think There it is Hey you know what

That makes sense yes Immigration status Immigration is enabled Thank you Roland You solved my problem Well you didn't solve the problem But you At least let me know

What the heck is going on Full day problem Sure Hey, there's nothing about, like, there's a lot about people upset about new dwarfs coming in, but there's exactly one single thing about dwarfs leading a fortress again. And I guess that must have been it. Well, you know, it's, you know, I might leave it on. Now that I know what the mechanism is, I'm actually fine with it

because I would rather have a happy, low-populated fortress than a fortress that's spiraling out of control because everybody's unhappy and it's got a lot of people. So, yes, and the other hand... It's still a worker, but... On the other hand, it would, like, rip apart families. For example, the husband is mad and leaves the fortress and the wife stays behind and never remarries, which means I don't get more dwarf children.

And I think that would be very sad because I like to populate my fault. Yep, I might turn it off, but now that I know what the... what the mechanism is. I'm satisfied. Oh, no, you're like fixing on the podcast. Wow. That's great. If anybody else out there has the same, same issue, to find out if it's turned on, I didn't say this explicitly. Open up the DFAC GUI launcher and type in emigration with an E status, emigration space status,

and you can find out if it's turned on or not. And yeah, and then act accordingly. Great. Thank you, Roland. That rocks. Yeah. Yay. Look at that. Solving problems. Are you guys feeling it? I'm feeling it. You feeling it? The Chronicles of Future Flag, as preserved by the chroniclers of the patterned tomes, 63rd copyist rotation. Part 1, The Rise of Future Flag, 50 to 55, by Logan Hastings. In the early spring of the year 50, the brave dwarves of the basement of influences, A loyal sect of the patterned tomes laid the foundation stones of future flag in the rugged highlands. Kedall Father Arch led the expedition, flanked by a corps of founding dwarves.

Militia commander Addil Attic Road, chief medical dwarf thobmine parched, broker Lorbum Lashhold, and bookkeeper Colette Craft Charcoal. Beneath their boots, Destiny waited, veiled in stone. Early years saw modest growth. Artifacts of great beauty and power emerged from. the hands of inspired crafters, the fortress took shape around a central tenet, artistry, and resilience. In 51, tragedy whispered its first warning, the artifact book The Mountain Halls, was mysteriously destroyed. But dwarves are not deterred by omens. They carved deeper.

Then came the silent witch. Goblin warbands, led by the likes of youth's malign spiraled and smuns to swallow lie, launched futile assaults under the banners of the scorching conflict. Though losses were light, the seed of war had been sown. Still, future flag stood tall. A doctor was replaced, a broker rotated, and halls were dug for rising guilds. A gleaming town beneath the mountain. Its people sang with pick and anvil. So recorded Logan Hastings. So stands the stone, so speaks the mountain. My fortress is named Zalud Salud Sala. And that translates to future flag.

I think at the end of our last episode, Tony, you said that the naming and translations kind of, I don't remember what your exact words were. Floor you, kill you, maim you? Too hard for me to calculate. No, it's the, when it's like, you know, Eurist wrinkle vines has created a problem or something you look. And then you can't find wrinkle vines in your list because he's called Galesh

Medetsch, Giddal, or whatever. So that's where I've had problems because, like, if you've got 10 eurists, I don't know which one's wrinkle vines in which one's, you know, sheep weather or whatever. You know what I mean? It's like it's kind of hard to tell the Eurists apart when there's no translation given. Anyway. Okay. I'm an idiot.

No, no, but there is a, of course, course a DF hack thing to help with that. It doesn't change the name on the list whenever you whenever you select them or whenever you hit the U button and you can only see the the original dwarf names. But if you do GUI slash sitemap, that will allow you to type in the translated name and it will bring up the dwarf's name and you can click on it and it will take you to them. Okay. So GUI slash site map. Okay. Gooey slash site map. Okay. Gooey slash site map. Oh, okay, that's awesome, because it'll show me where my, because I don't know if this happens to you guys, but where's my minor guild hall? I don't know, because I didn't mark it correctly

when I made it. And so I lose it, and then I have to go kind of hunt for them. I'm sure everyone else's figure. How do you mark it? I, well, so now I start drawing an M, like for miners' guilds, I'll draw an M with gold floor tiles, and then it has two things. One is I can find it easier, because I'm a dummy. And then the second is it increases the value of the room. Smart, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you can get away with tiny little things if you... But you have to have enough gold to make it easy.

That's fair. And the other way I try to mark my guilds is I try to draw the guild hall in a shape that resembles the occupation. So I would try to make it like a mining pick. Oh, really? Okay. Okay, that's effort, A for effort. Yeah, it's, you know, it's best effort, so let's, you know, temper our expectations a little bit. And I did one that these guys all want to worship the god of death, so I made their temple for that into a skull.

Very nice. Can you send me a photo of that? I would be intrigued on how that looks. I have some sad news. What happened? Uh-oh. Apparently, I was incorrect. It does not give you the option to search by the translated name. No, it does not, but, you know, I was going to let the adventure find that out on their own. Well, I didn't want the email saying, you're an idiot. I spent three hours bringing up this stinking utility, and I installed a D.F. Hack just for this. And you lied to me, Jonathan. You lied.

Well, congratulations. Think of all the other great benefits you've just accidentally gotten yourself. That's my response to the imaginary question. Where I found it coming really handy was the finding artifacts. Yes, really cool as well Because otherwise you really have to hunt for them Like the pedal stool thing When you put down a pedal stool And then you activate it through the DFFH menu

And it gives you the ability to Sort by value and stuff Oh my God That's beautiful Yeah, that has become less of an issue for me Than it used to be And I haven't had to use the site map for that I did whenever I first learned about site map

But yeah, that DF hack display utility. This is becoming another freaking DF hack love fest. What the heck? Well, it's, I feel like it's just so part of the core function of the game in a lot of ways. Part of our core

function. Yeah, part core function. Oh, the other one I'm just going to say, which I like, is it tells you how long ago since your last save, and then you can just click that little box in the bottom left to save again. I think that's darn nifty, and I've saved a lot

of forts from crashing sickness. I wonder if they're taking any donations. Do you have hack? I haven't seen any mechanism for donating to the project be listed, but... I think they have an IPO plan for later this year. Oh. That's good. So definitely keep your eyes peeled for that one.

Get in now while it's early. I would like to buy their team a cup of coffee because I don't know that I would enjoy the game nearly as much without that utility, without that suite of utilities, I should say. I've got a sidebar here for you. question and this is a very dorphy kind of question do you guys have any dwarves that just have a propensity to throw up all the time so i've got one dude and he just pukes like every time i look at him he's dizzy and nauseous and he's always like standing in a pool of his own sick is he is he injured because there's a good chance that his guts or stomach got injured and then they kind of puke all the

time does he have like dorvin ibs or something is that we simulated ids in the game now i i I had somebody that got, I don't know, stabbed in the gut or something, and it never really healed. And he constantly got sick. But on the other hand, he is also dizzy. That could mean there is another problem. I have a snake man whose left lung got fully collapsed. Oh, no. And now he's always just flashing the icon of, like, being low on energy.

And, like, he's dizzy, he's nauseous, dizzy, nauseous, dizzy. is sleepy, sleepy, and he's not doing good. Maybe you have an injured dwarf on your hand. You know what, this guy, I'm looking at him, he just likes to go outside all the time, and then he gets sun sickness. Wait, but if he goes outside all the time, shouldn't he lose cave adaption?

Shouldn't he? Yeah, he should. Yeah, I don't know what's going on. Mine tend to bleed out everywhere. Jesus. Leaky dwarves. That seems unhealthy. Yes, it does.

Up on the ground floor, at any given time, I just see splotches of blood places. Yeah. I don't know what, I mean, it has nothing to do with a battle. This is a... Curious. A pool of mistum helmet-dwatches dwarf blood. Oh, wait, it's the same dwarf. All these patches...

Where the heck is this guy? Oh, he's also injured. it's always an injured dwarf guy how much blood does he have around 400 liters which which register in the memory is that stored in

no that was a joke because my dwarfs always just keep bleeding all over the place and I think when the game tells me there's some dwarf blood on the floor it is talking about literally one or two drops

but it shows me a legit puddle and something is wrong with these dwarfs well I've just run into exactly your issue I've got three mystems in my fortress

and I have no clue which one is Mistim helmet watched yeah that's my that's been one of my real pickles there's Mistom Colsalan Mistim Guselamus and Misdom Zonazine I need to give these

And it's tricky when it ends up being a name Where the second letter is like an A with a little circley thing Over the top of it, the Danish whatever it is The Yutzlop or I don't know what you call that Gumpschlap I don't know it's not an umlaut That's two dots You know the A with a little circle over the top of it No I'm not Scandinavian

Well you're close Hey Historically I'm sure there's some overlap there Whoa, whoa. Well, it does appear that Mr. Helmut Watches is injured. He has a left lower arm skin wound, a left lower arm fat wound, left lower arm muscle wound, motor nerve severed, sensory nerve severed, left shoulder muscle has been sutured. That's tricky.

Yeah, that's tricky. Interestingly, though, it says that he's healthy. Interesting. Well, there are several definitions of healthy. also good news his nerves got severed he's not going to feel this yay

oh god well apparently he's recently been evaluated he received cave spider silk sutures on his left shoulder received

ramy dressing on his left shoulder I'm not sure what ramey dressing is it's plant cloth I think yeah isn't it a ramey isn't it a kind of cloth yeah it's a plant

that was done by do some Zono sit the militia captain put the sutures on the sole shoulder great stone crafter

put the dressing on the left shoulder a peasant put some lama wool dressing on the left lower arm and another peasant cleaned his I guess his body

just cleaned it says and then I guess they let him go because he's walking around yeah nature we'll do it. Lovely to see him A, walk it off.

That's the American style of injury. Apparently also very dwarven. Yeah, that's just so much like us. You get a broken leg, shake it, and walk it off.

Where's my hospital? Not going to the hospital. There it is. Yeah, there's nobody in the hospital right now, so I guess he walked it off. Oh, my God. What a man. Love it.

You know, that blood may have been may have been from earlier. It may have been from earlier. They just haven't gotten around to clean it up yet. Hey, you know what? I got stuff to do too. If it doesn't bother you, why would you clean it up? Maybe they don't see blood.

Maybe that's their adaptation. Because the Fortress Overlord doesn't like looking on the top level and seeing splotches of blood everywhere. Sure. Yeah, no fair. Get the children to clean it up. It helps make them stronger. The Chronicles of Future Flag, drawn from surviving council minutes and court chronicles.

Part 2, The Peak of Future Flag, 56 to 59. By Mr. Gutsy It was in 56 that Destiny crowned Future Flag. Queen Abel Oily Spires, newly arrived and swift with a spear, ascended the throne upon her father's death. With her coronation, Future Flag became the capital of the patterned tomes. The fortress buzzed with prestige. Five full military squads patrolled the stonework halls. Guilds flourished, farmers, doctors, crafters, metalworkers, all under one roof.

Mystical slabs bearing divine inscriptions began appearing near the entrance, calling council meetings from beyond comprehension. Patrons of realms unknown guided the fate of the fortress through stone. But fate grew fickle. A monstrous three-eyed tarantula stopped the deep. Goblin sieges grew boulder. A mayfly beast spewing deadly dust was slain by the Countess of Stance Mind herself. The hospital grew overcrowded.

Thread and soap ran low. Yet dwarves persevered, even as ghosts began to rise. In 59, a two-year bloodbath commenced. Flames, fangs, and chaos erupted from the caverns. A fire-spewing beast with an alligator head. laid waste to the lower levels. Just as the squads felled it, the skies darkened with Batman. Half the fortress was lost.

The dead screamed. The living wailed, but future flag endured. Broken, yes, but not yet defeated. The mountain hears, and the mountain remembers. So recorded Mr. Gutzi. You know, I am very happy to say something, and that is I have unshackled myself

from my snake fortress I thought okay listen I like my snakes I like my fortress it's going to stay I'm going to keep the world I'm not going to

embark in a new fortress in the same world but I want to see new things so I sat down I generated a new much smaller world by the way now I'm playing the light and this is

a medium. It's a medium-sized world and I'm not going to say how long it took me to generate this one because, oh God, but it's pretty good. And when I saw it, I just fell in love. And now there's a few certain things that I want to talk about before I get into my fortress. One is I am in an alliance with other dwarfs and the elves. what so if i go to civilizations it actually says oh also humans i am in an alliance with the elves and humans they're marked green on my map i've never seen that before that is very interesting and when i hover when i hover over each individual site it also says alliance i can still rate them, but why would I?

So that's very interesting. There's one elven civilization that hates me, and the humans have taken over some goblins. It's interesting. So, you know,

there are sometimes where you get attacked by elves and they have some dwarves with them attacking. Have you seen that happen before? I've only seen goblins being supported by other dwarfs. Oh, okay. Maybe that's what I'm getting confused.

Goblins elves are all the same. And then I've noted that the dwarfs that follow the goblins also have goblin names. That is always very interesting to see. Interesting. I want to believe those are the children that got snatched, or at least the children of those children of those children that got snatched. that's kind of what I was thinking as well yeah could very well be

yeah but cool points about this fortress definitely the elves keep bringing me what is that jaguars and they also keep bringing me jaguar

no leopard geckos so I have like feline themed things going on here I spent what is this 20 years just building a tavern and flooding half the cavern.

So yeah, I guess I'm doing something. How many dwarves are you up to in this new fortress now? Just 51. I cap myself at 50. Oh. Just for the purpose of like getting the layout right, getting the feel right, getting some trading done before I get over a larger cap and then I get like goblin sieges and forgotten beasts and whatever.

I want to have like a smooth entrance to this. I like it so far. I like it very much. And the world is truly beautiful. The only thing that I'm still missing are adventures and people that hang out in my tavern. That's quite sad. Yeah, I'm considering kind of flattening all of my fortress's buildings and such and kind of starting over with a new layout in a deeper location, kind of doing a reset. not changing fortresses, but taking the 87 dwarves that I have now and basically hit and reset on the fortress. Yeah. I have a question for you guys. Maybe you have or haven't tried to do this, but now I've got a fortress that seems

reasonably stable, kind of hangs out on its own. I've got a couple of decent squads. So I want to go looking for fun down in the depths. How have you guys explored and found that final? bottom cavern layer with the magma in it. I just, I, you know, like right now, I've been working on this for the last, I don't know, three years of in-game fort. And mining is definitely the most dangerous field in this fort to the, to the extent that we've

had a lot of miners and had a lot of miners and they have a miners' guild and all of that. But they die a lot. And it's just kind of one of the hazards. Do you have any good ways of like looking for that final. cavern floor because I can find all the magma pools and I can find you know I know where they are and I can like you know channel to see them sometimes I punch the walls and lava flood a tunnel but you know whatever things happen you die whatever you move on how do you explore two things you are looking for candy not the third cavern layer okay right that's that's a question

Like you're looking for candy. Yeah, yeah. That is one thing. And I also wouldn't mind finding some of our little buddies that live down there and just seeing what I can do with them. But I haven't gotten there yet. I haven't found anything. All I found is death.

Yeah, that's actually a good question. The last few times I got that deep into the magma layer, I tended to reveal at least some candy here and there. So using hack. Like, you would punch through, and then suddenly, like, whole chunks of magma would be revealed. And then it would say, like, praise the miners. And you could check, like, oh, I get over there. And so I have not been having too much trouble with just finding some. It's just the amount that I find is always very sparse.

And when it comes to digging around in magma and, like, you know, circling around it without being in it. I can't help you with that because your miners will say oh yeah this is hot and I'm not going to dig this and then you have to question whether or not the magma is like behind it or above it or

next to you and you're like and I mean depends on how much you want to use DF hack and God cheating tools because there is the reveal command Okay. Yeah. I, you know, I, I mean, I just, how many these things am I going to kill? That's, that's kind of the thing. But we have a steady supply of picks and population stays about the same. So you are looking to, you're looking forward to actually breaching through into a fun layer beneath it, right? Yeah, that final fun, fun layer.

Yeah. I haven't gotten there yet. You can definitely use Reveal Hell while your game is posse, the part is very important. What does this hell you speak of? Pick the cats out of the bag if you're listening to this podcast. Honestly, yeah, it is. It is. We have been talking for, what, seven years? The game is 14?

Come on. But if you reveal it, then at least you can see where it is and you can dig into the general direction and, like, figure out where it is. However, if you use reveal hell, your game has to be paused and you cannot unpause it as long as things are revealed because that is going to break your FPS because that moment, things are going to spawn in if you... Oh, I see. I see. It's going to be basically... Those don't spawn, but the trigger for them spawning

is when you punch into it or you discover it. Yeah, if you reveal it, then they, you know, they do spawn, although you haven't punched in. Okay, okay, tricky. All right, I'm going to keep poking at it. I mean, hopefully without destroying my fort, but, you know, whatever. I mean, I thought that's a point. You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, am I right?

Breaking a few dwarfs. Oh, my. We are coming up. Sorry, I got a little sidetrack there. Please continue. Are you playing the game as well? No, no. this is not this is a different this is research it's research yeah this is something different okay so

on august 8th 2026 will be the 20th anniversary of dwarf fortress oh nice august 8th 2026 well how are you planning to celebrate that's a good question that is a good question i'm gonna make some cat soap and some uh mosquito brain roast typically we're on our hiatus during uh august we have to do an episode for that just to talk about the the history of the game yeah What day is that? Eight Friday. We can record it early and then drop it on that day. It's true.

We've got control of the time, space continuum here. That's a good point. And we can actually record it a lot of time. I'm on vacation, like off and about. So, yeah, we'll have to do some planning for that. And we may not do anything. You know, I've got to say August feels a long way away at this point. August of 26, not this year, but the year from August.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I don't plan that long. Yeah. Coming up on 20 years of him doing this one game. Pretty good. Got to love that job stability. You know what I mean?

What's his LinkedIn look like, do you think? LinkedIn. The president and CEO of Dorford. Why would he do that? Does he even have LinkedIn? I doubt that. Jesus, for his own sanity, I hope to hell he does. I mean, at this point, he does not need to apply for any jobs.

No, exactly. But, yeah, where have we before? punching into candy spars? We were thinking about that, yeah. Yeah, that's definitely a fun thing to do. Although I can't exactly say

when the last time was I did that because I was simply shocked at how inefficient everything was that I did. Let's just say the friendly visitors from the neighbors below they're going to come up and they're going to shake your hand

and you're going to be surprised and how speedy they are, and things crumble very fast. Yeah, I noticed nothing kills them. I remember that from a previous thing, that lava, I had some lava traps, and I was like, ha, ha, that'll get, oh, God, they can swim through lava. Brilliant. Yeah. Bye-bye, Fortress.

What traps will stop them? On the other hand, I think I mentioned that on the podcast. I just can't say which episode that was. Oh, this is a callback, callback episode. I had demon leather clothing. Holy. And I'm not sure how I got my hands onto that. I think I bought it from the elves.

How did they get it? What do you shoot wooden arrows at them until they drop? I think the elves have like a bug where they can procure rare materials from somewhere. I mean, for a while you could, for example, buy. music instrument pieces made from divine metals from the elves, that was apparently a bug. So I assume it had to be in the same direction. Anyhow, demon leather clothing. I think it was a vest.

Now, a demon is in fact magma safe, which means boy can swim at magma like it is a lukewarm pool. He does not care. the leather retains that quality the leather is fireproof which is very nice but there's one thing about fireproof and df that you have to remember fireproof does not mean it stays cold fireproof means it can heat up forever so what i did and this was a huge mistake at some point I must have dumped it into my magma dump and I just threw it away

this beautiful demon leather and at some point I opened my magma thing again I splashed some water in and I got some of the unmelted stuff out again because it annoyed me and apparently

some dwarf saw on the plutter this beautiful leather vest and was like yoink and put it on Well, Uris didn't know that this leather vest had been in magma for like years at this point and was superheated to the point where it might have had the same temperature as the inner core of a star. Well, Big Boy Urest melts like a waxing candle in a hot day, dies, bleeds out, splatters, splatters gore, and his balloons. longings all over the floor everyone is shocked and they go like oh my god he's oh what a nice vest

actually yonk oh no and then it kept continuing and i think i lost like 16 people and i was so confused i was so confused there there are no combat reports whatever whatever and it took me such a long time to find the problem and i only found it because i noticed that these idiots war war weird clothing and it was like what is that and then I saw that it was superheated like like one zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero

yearists I was like whoa and I only remember this because a few days ago there was a Reddit threat and that that that came up again and I talked about it and I was like man I talked about this on my podcast and

I was like do I chill my podcast on Reddit? No I didn't. I didn't. Oh, come on. We were told by the Discord that we need to show our podcast more. I know.

Yeah. But I don't want to talk down, but, you know, they are not really partial to this. They are not objective. There are on our podcast Discord. But yeah. Yeah, that's true. Future Flag, as recorded in the final ledger of the basement of influences of the patterned tomes, recovered from the ruins.

Part 3, The Fall of Future Flag, 60 to 62, by Christopher Harris. In the aftermath, Slabs still appeared. Hope lingered. New leadership rose. Mayor shor-gast Wilkirters and Chief Medical Dwarf Autumn Shot Gladness took their places. The fortress population had dropped from ten. 200 to 80. Coffins were scarce. Soap was gone. And yet, migrants returned. Dwarves remembered. They came to rebuild. By 60, future flags stood at 99 strong. A new era of renewal dawned.

Plans for deeper halls, richer tombs, and a return to dwarven glory took root. The military held firm. Ghosts were laid to rest. The queen rallied her people. But the gods had another design. In 61, late autumn, the abyss answered. The forgotten beast Siga Minemerk the fatal erupted from the deep. Militia commander Addil Attic Road was the first to fall. Queen Abel Oyleyspires the last. Her royal blood soaked the stone of the throne hall. Even in her wake, vengeance came.

Eiton Rag Rampart struck down the fatal with a steel axe, but the cost was unthinkable, 58 dwarves, two cats, and three forgotten beings. beasts had died before the final blow. What remained was ash and sorrow. Then came Aynne Berry submerged the putrid. No hammer halted it. It walked through future flag like death itself, slaying animal and dwarf alike. No trap caught it. No soldier stopped it. By winter's first snow, not one dwarf drew breath within the halls. A last attempt came, 20 brave souls, calling themselves the second founders. They died well. Illral paparanguishes slew the beast, only to bleed to death from a crocodile's bite.

An ignoble end to a noble stand. And so, in 62, early autumn, the mountain fell silent. Future flag, once capital of the patterned tomes, jewel of dwarven grid and grandeur, was abandoned. May its name echo in stone, in blood and in memory. memory. So recorded Christopher Harris. I got another D.F. Hack question for you guys. Oh, yeah. So I make an armor for my, uh, for my squads. But what I'm trying to do is just trying to equip, equip them out as fast as I can. Is there like a DF hack command like an issue that's like make a set of steel armor? Or do I have to go through each one and just like clunk, clunk, clunk?

am I doing this the hard way? Is there a better way to do this? Come again? What? So I want to make a set of a work order for it? Steel armor, yeah, and it's like I have to make boots, and then I've got to make ten hats, and then I've got to make ten breastweets, and then ten leggings, and then ten gauntlets, and high gauntlets, and low gauntlets, and upper gauntlets, and outer gauntlet. Like, is there just to make me some steel armor?

That's a lot of gauntlets. Give yourself in. Hook me up. Get yourself into the tedium. Lean in. This is, this is it. Lean in. This is it.

This is the true dwarf fortress gameplay. That's fair. You're experiencing it right now. No, that's fair. It's totally fair. I'm not going to, you know, like it is, but it is. It's fair. You got to earn that armor.

I got to earn the armor. Yeah, with my 582 steel bars. Great, cool. Fiddly. Oh, I've got alpaca soap now, just so you guys don't think I'm a total monster. That would be a cool thing to do, though, to, yeah, be able to define a set of armor and be able to make sets of it. Make me steal, baby.

Yeah, that's what I, because I think that's the best armor outside of Adam, Adamant. Yeah. You guys fans of that band from the 80s, Adamant? You wouldn't remember Adamant? No, I'm Pete Young. I'm sorry. Don't drink, don't smoke. What do you do?

You can go to YouTube. There's a band called Adamant. I think it's a guy, band guy, whatever, who knows. Well, like Alice Cooper. Everybody from the 80s is dead. Then it became a guy. Nobody can correct us on this. But, uh, yeah, he's like Alice Cooper.

There must be something inside. Band or a guy. Guys, I know, this, this is like a shocking reveal. Steely Dan a person or is it? Steely Dan a person. What? Yeah, look up the, uh, the origin of the band named Steely Dan. Yeah.

Uh-oh. Am I going to get banned? Am I going to get on a list? I think it was from a Kervonigant novel. Some, some beat, some beat writer. It was the, uh, the name for a, yeah. Um, yes. Anyway, way, way off time here. Um, I was just about to say, I'm actually not a fan of Edmantein armor.

Yeah? Proz and cons? Yeah, why not? Because it, hey, oh, you want the full list? Okay, let's go. Well, let's do it. It's two highlights. Highlights and low lights. Let's do that. Okay. The highlights are, it looks ugly. I don't like the, the sky blue color. Sky blue, blue, blue, powder blue does not, does not say I'm gonna. I like that. That's why I like microcline.

Okay. Because it's pretty sky blue color. It has its unique moments where it shines, but just looking at a dwarf and he's clad in like baby blue. I'm like, what are you doing, bro? You don't look fierce. I'm sorry. He's kicking ass is what he's doing. It's like some of that high-tier world of Warcraft armor, like the, I don't know if anyone

plays it, but there was like. Absolutely. Whatever that expansion pack was, where there were all the angels or whatever, and I'm like, look, it's not precious moments. What are we doing? Why are we doing this? Absolutely. Okay. I remember back from my days, there was a dude who kept dressing up, okay?

And at some point, he's like, yeah, bro, I got that set, that new set, and he rolls up. And he's like showing me his character, and he looks so dumb. I'm like, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, is this the best set you can get? He's like, yeah. Oh, boy. And this is the exact same thing that happens to my dwarfs. Okay.

They roll up in this baby blue. What did you call it? Powder blue? Absolutely not. No, no, no thanks. You're going to get steel armor for that crisp chrome lightning feeling. And then you're going to get a bronze male shirt. Okay.

And now you are done. Get to the front. line. What are you doing? Why are we using bronze instead of steel for chain now? Because they're, A, because I don't want to use steel for everything. But I do want to have a male shirt because it does make a difference. And I don't like min-maxing, but I feel like bronze, you know, beside the color, is also a little bit better against not sharp weapons blunt weapons

yeah yeah okay all right I can take that yeah I mean I get the color thing because you know you don't want to be that that guy that you know gets the job and shows up for the first day of work in your

Ed Hardy outfit or whatever like I get it you want to look cool you don't want to look like a dish and yeah yeah and how does Edmanta and look in your head okay like imagine at Mantine. How does it look in your head?

Well, here's how it looks in my head. Google Adamant. And then, and then, and then, and then go to images and, and, and maybe go for the 80s version of Adamant. Not the, I think Adamant still does things. So you want the 80s. You want the full. No, still on that one. You want to, no, that's what Adamantium looks like to me. With the red and white feathers sticking out of their hair? Yeah, stand and deliver. That's what I'm seeing the whole time.

Okay. No, it's good a fichies, man. Very nice, very nice. Yeah. Let's get back. Okay, so you don't like the color. What else about Adamant teen armor do you not like? You almost said it, Adamant's armor.

It's really just about the color. It is also about the fact that it is highly expensive, highly, highly, highly, highly expensive. And when I want... Well, if you're making it, then why do you care? Yeah, but, you know, listen, if I have to decide whether or not to make armor or weapons, I'm going to make weapons and then usually I have already ran

out of all my Atman time because the spire only gives me like four fucking wafers so I like to just make weapons for it and mostly

just cutting weapons not even spares although I do love them but I just make your axes and swords I know they're not meta but don't come at me I like swords.

And that's it. That's okay. I like maces and morning stars. That's my favorite weapons. You know what the heart wants what the heart wants. You know, like I get that too. Yeah. I like this silver war hammers.

That's kind of my favorite one. Just because I think if you're going to get your ass kick, somebody with a solid steel weapon, that's pretty, a solid silver weapon, that's pretty neat. That's pretty neat. That's agreed, yeah. Maybe not gold armor, though.

No. Worst possible armor. Is that the worst possible armor other than wood? No, I think there's worse armor. Lead? Probably lead, although lead is not as soft. Can you make armor out of bars as lead? I don't think you can't.

I don't think you can make lead armor, can you? No, no, no, you can't, but it can happen through a mood, obviously. And then you can have, like, the tissue's armor in the game that is possible. You can also have a mood. make you like a platinum warhammer and that is the best blunt weapon okay because i think adamantine is also really light right so you really wouldn't want a warhammer out of that no absolutely not i think putnam once did uh like a post where she wasn't podnam or was she in the comment i don't remember there was a post and somebody extracted detail by detail fine details about

what is best and what to do and what not to do and why Edmontine blunt weapons seriously bong and they're just really bad because they have all the wrong qualities their density is wrong their weight is wrong there what else is there like sheer whatever don't make it how about the weird metals like the I've got like dark metal and twisted metal and some of these this is actually this was the purpose of this fort that I built because I wanted to start trying to get those exotic metals but I'm not doing great I haven't got any and I want them I just noticed your photo

your picture yeah what do you think of my death fort yeah that's pretty cool man although it does look like it's a skeleton holding his arm over his head in that particular picture it's like one of those optical illusions it's what you want to see

be the change you want to see yeah no I'm trying to get a bunch of those weird metals the exotics. But nope, haven't found any of them yet. I don't know if I find them or if I make them or if I have to kill the demons to get that.

Maybe my info is outdated. Also, I think we have to go back to the last episode and say that we might have spouted some serious misinformation about the metal because there was a post about smelting metal until you get twisted metal or something. Yeah, I saw that. I got that right.

You don't get divine metals through that. No, I've been trying it. Now, I had meant to say that has got me nothing except more skilled doors. Cunningham's Law and action. The only thing that I know how to get divine metals properly is find a vault and beat up the angels. And then take their stuff and bring it to a fortress, dump it on the ground, retire your adventurer, go back. to a fortress smelt that

dish down. Okay. Yeah, that's going to be a toughie. So I've got to go adventuring for it. All right, well, life old. Yeah, you can find

these funny weapons in the walls. This is also my, maybe a little bit of a spoiler, but you can't find funny weapons in the, in the walls. And

you can also find funny other creatures in the walls, so be careful. But these weapons can't be smelted down to my knowledge. So far, I've only found training weapons made of divine metals, and they lack the ability for me to smelt them down. Why? I don't know. So those aren't even a reliable way to get the metals, because I wish I could just take this training axe that is completely useless and make it into, you know, like, I don't know, a real axe

maybe. Oh, okay. Well, maybe this will be a very short test. But the fortress I've accidentally built then is pretty solid. So I might just keep seeing what I do. I mean, the fort is a fort. Yeah, I'm not done. You know, they're not, it's, I've got, I wanted people like, you know, I'm going to,

if you invade, you're going to get killed. But I wanted to at least have a good experience with it. So my traps haul, I've, I've engraved all of the walls as best I can. and I'm making gold you know gold weapons traps because you know I want the experience of being murdered to be to be

pleasant for you at least gold cage traps you've got something to look at while you're waiting to be and right now I'm just walling everyone up it's that's my current but the cage traps won't work on the funny guys no they do not that's a good

call out there for people who think that's a good idea it's not a good idea Well, my friends, I think it's time that we bring another episode of Dwarf Fortress Roundtable to a close. That was fair. Thanks everybody for listening. And that hour just flew by. We got content this time. Yeah.

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