Dynamic Dialogue with Danny Matranga - 112 - Jordan Lips: *TOP THREE* Certifications, Best New Exercises, Nutrient Timing for Gains!

Episode Date: July 29, 2021

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Jordan, man, how's it going? Going well, my brother. How are you doing? Good. You are out in Texas now, if I'm not mistaken, yes? We are. It's super, super hot, but we love it here. Before this, you were East Coast. Yep, Jersey. Okay. And so why the move? Honestly, when I went fully online coaching, we were just kind of sitting around.

My girlfriend's also fully remote. And we're like, why are we here exactly? You know, like I used to work and co-own an in-person studio. And so there was obviously like, like I was screwed into the ground there and then sold my portion of that went fully online. And I was like, I fucking hate the snow. It's terrible and started snowing. And Jenna and I were like, I fucking hate the snow. It's terrible. And it started snowing. And Jenna and I were like,

this blows. And so we picked up and got an Airbnb in Arizona for a month just to go, just like hashtag influencer, you know, just like hashtag nomad. And we had a blast. Digital nomad. Yeah, exactly. Right. And we just Airbnb'd. We went hiking. We had, you know, obviously working during the week. But we had so much fun. And we were like, you know, why don't we, you know, we don't have kids yet. And if there was ever a time to like, explore a different place, like we might move back and, you know, have a family and do all that stuff in the East Coast. But I didn't want to, it felt weird not ever having lived somewhere else. Not that that's the end of the world, but we have the opportunity to move in this day and age

and the kind of digital age that we're in, and both of us are, you know, fully remote. And so we thought, you know, whatever, not the thought process of how we got to Texas was essentially like, okay, we don't want snow. So there goes the whole entire North. And if you work from like the West coast to the East coast, you end up with like California, which I love, which was an option. Uh, but it was a big jump for me from a time. The time zone was a big jump for me. then you get arizona which we were just in arizona ain't nobody living in new mexico and then you get texas which is like okay there's like some solid options there and then i'm not living you know you get like east of texas and you're like yeah you know florida yeah you can get a little wild yeah and so yeah for everybody listening

this is jordan he's an expert in geography. Today's discussion is going to be about geography. No, I feel like that's a really good authentic intro that people are like, wow, I enjoyed that tale of this man's journey across the entire United States. I like his preferences for potential landing spots. But Jordan, if you couldn't tell, is in the fitness space. He does some online coaching, entirely online coaching at this point. He has a really good podcast,

one of my favorites, and I don't listen to very many podcasts that are actually in the fitness space. So his is one that I listen to, and he's somebody whose memes I like and who I really enjoy communicating with in the space. So tell them a little bit

about kind of what it is that you're doing, Jordan, who you are in this space, and then we'll get into answering some of their questions. You don't want me to keep going with the geography stuff. I'm sorry, man. You know what they say, don't quit your day job. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. So I'm a, I've been a long time personal trainer for the coming out of college, became personal trainer. I assume that you and I have a similar path in that way. And then eventually got to a place where I was really not having the kind of effect on people that I really wanted.

So I moved online. Things have been really great. I am an MNU certified nutritionist, certified by N1 for biomechanics and actually for all of their online certifications. And that's pretty much it. I work with clients across the whole spectrum of clinical settings, fat loss, muscle gain, athletic goals, the whole spectrum there. People working out at home in the gym, across the board, you know the drill. I loved the N1 stuff. I only did the biomechanics, but I really liked that. And I've taken a lot of certifications, and this is a great segue into our first question, but I've taken so many certifications over the years i was kind of like thought it was more important than it was earlier in my career and then i realized like really what you want here is the knowledge and you can

sometimes find that outside of the certs but you want the certs that package it the best and make it the most applicable but n1 was it's one of my favorites for sure and i i think i i think i've told people on more than one occasion that the biomechanics course was my favorite because I think you can just keep watching it and go over it over and over and over again and really go like, okay, after I have drilled this, I feel like I understand something that's really important for what we do. I get so many questions from trainers about what's the best certification for bodybuilding or working with bodybuilders? What's the best certification for mobility or working with clients who have

restricted movement or, you know, they have a lot of pain. And it's like, there's no cert for that. You just, what you really need to understand is functional anatomy. And like, I can't teach you that because it's kind of dry. And I just felt like N1 packaged it and polished it in a way that wasn't so dry. And oh my God, I recommend that one highly. But our first question comes from Atla Coco and he asks, best certifications. And so I think it will be easy. We're both going to say we've done N1. I know you've probably done a handful. And so we'll extend this out to like books, certifications, YouTube, podcasts. So we'll just say, what are the top three certifications at all or certifications, kind of ish certifications that you have done your top

three and I will then pick my top three. Yeah. The way I look at this is that there's, you know, if you want to be an online coach, let's say, and let's say that involves programming workouts and nutrition programming, let's say, I think you need to address those individually. And so personally, I would say I'm a little bit biased. The only nutrition kind of real legitimate certification that I have is an MNU certification via like a Martin McDonald's course. So I love that course. It was a year long course, you know, quote, very quote evidence-based, but what I liked mostly about it was it was not just the facts, but it was also how to become, uh, have had, how to have a better understanding of how to accrue new information and how to like,

like read research papers and actually find pros and cons in it and actually kind of disseminate information from a little bit of a higher hierarchy. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't something, and it was something that I always wanted to do. I don't know if that was just an ego thing, but like I wanted to make sure that I was able to read a research paper

and not just, I didn't want to just regurgitate information. I wanted to be able to like critically think through it. So that definitely helped me a lot. And of all the certs I've done in my whole life, this one had the most legit testing structure. And so like the final exam was like really difficult, cost a lot of time to study, um, and was very open-ended, very like, uh, uh,

graded very well by like real people with real critiques and a lot of case studies. And so I really, really enjoyed that. I thought it was really good. Um, and I'm going to, I'm going to steal the M1 biomechanics one, just because I think that that is one, like you said, that you can keep coming back to, um, of all the N1 certifications, I think they're all good, but I think they get vastly more complex after that one, like exponentially more complex. And I think what are the other ones? There's a nutrition and programming one. And then there's a, uh, it's, uh, like digestion, sleep and stress is the last one. Um, so I'm, I'm transcending from like totally within my scope of practice to probably in my scope of practice to maybe taking a trip to Costa

Rica to do psychedelics. No, I'm kidding. Whenever I hear like digestion or gut health, I'm like, be careful. This is where we're going to lose you. Yeah. Yeah. And I was, and I, I will say that my interest in the courses you know became less and less now i'm not saying interest went down to zero but i think that the second courses the nutrition and training programming is very intricate and will take a long time and if you did the i did the biomechanics course twice like twice i went through it twice once to get it and then a second time like i said i wanted to be able to critically think i was like i don't want to regurgitate something that coach cast says i don don't want to be like, oh yeah. Like

I see a lot of people who have taken the course and they make a post and it is word for word. Yeah. Regurgitation. And that's, you know, there's nothing wrong. Nobody made up biomechanics though. Nobody made it up, but yeah. I've done that like earlier in my training career when I was like 18, 19, 20, which honestly now knowing that I trained when I was 18, 19, 20 makes me sad. I'm happy that I did it, but I'm like, man, that guy was fucking ass. I was like, that dude sucked. Oh my God. Like, I was like, dude, I'm going to fucking rip my chest today.

Incline, flat and decline press machine. Just like, okay, that is. Goodbye shoulders. Yeah, exactly. One, you will not be training like this for long due to crippling elbow pain to, um, you're going to get better. It gets better from here, but you're going to look back at this and be ashamed. And, and I do like that to your point, if you go back and you really want to learn biomechanics, it's something that a lot of people truly just regurgitate. But once you really get it, it's really quite liberating. It makes training really

a lot easier as a coach, even as a client. And that's one of the advantages that I've had working in person is I just get to go and touch people. And I know that sounds really weird. Most of the time it's not, but it's really, really cool to be able to go, wow, I am feeling this tissue on a human's body. It can track differently and get to apply that to the two or three clients that I see that day that might need a little bit of lat hypertrophy.

So I'm showing them that chest supported lat row that we've both learned from N1. That's when you do it correctly, you're like, okay, so this is why I have shrimp lats. And then you eventually just have these aha moments. But then when you teach it to somebody, you really lock it in and it starts to click. So biomechanics is something you have to drill. So your first two are Mac Nutrition Uni and N1. I have zero on the board. I just talked about a in-person client

setting. And since I do a little bit of that, I'll address that here since a lot of you train people in person too. And this one is the CPPS. And this was from Joe DeFranco and Smitty. And Smitty does all of the teaching. And the reason that this was my number one is because I liked the continuum. I felt like if you had just done, say your NASM or your NSCA, your base cert, you're like, I just need to get a job cert. The CPPS is really good. They go over some fantastic coaching of, you know, rudimentary athletic training, coaching the big three, coaching sprint mechanics, deceleration mechanics, and not in such a way that it's like way over your head, but in a way where you're like putting the pieces together really positively. And you're like, wow, okay, this has gen pop application.

This has athletic application. I'm picking up coaching cues. I'm picking up all these really great like golden nuggets. I would call it a golden nugget course because there's a lot about breathing. And that's got some nuggets. There's a lot about mobility and that's got some nuggets. I would call it a golden nugget course because there's a lot about breathing and that's got some nuggets. There's a lot about mobility and that's got some nuggets. And they cram it in to two monster 12-hour days, but you get a lot of these really great pillars. And I took it at a point in my career where I was pretty advanced. And I was watching, I was in a room with other trainers taking it. And I was just like, oh my gosh, this is really cool. Because I was listening to some of those conversations and they were making, it was watching people connect dots and watching neurons connect in a way where I was like,

this is awesome. And Smitty commands this in person so, so well. So if you're new to the space, you've got your first cert, you're like, what can I do next? It's really going to give me a lot of versatility, the ability to work with a lot of people and feel confident on a lot of different situations. I would recommend the CPPS in person with Smitty. That's, that's my number one. Um, I'll go one more. So we'd be, we can be two for two and then we can go to our, like, I guess number three hitter here. Um, and this is a tough one because I kind of wanted to bounce around a lot.

But it's actually NASM's corrective exercise course for only because you took N1. NASM's corrective exercise course, like the term corrective exercise is really pseudoscientific because that in and of itself is kind of trash. But it was one that when I took it had a lot of really valuable functional anatomy drilling in there. And so if you want something that's going to force you to drill your functional anatomy, you thrive on structure. It's going to teach you a few, like what I would describe as functional mobility tests, where you could like assess somebody's passive or active range of motion and look like, oh, wow, this, this trainer's, you know, put a little bit of, you know, some bells and whistles. It has a tendency to,

I think, make people over-reliant on thinking everyone's broken, which is like Nazem's bread and butter. So you have to take that into account, take it with a grain of salt. But there's so much good functional anatomy in there that I think if you're looking to level up in that area, an N1 might be price prohibitive. This would be a good lower cost option. And a lot of times they bundle it with stuff like senior fitness and women's fitness, which are really good at just kind of giving you a little bit of extra, okay, so maybe don't put someone with high blood pressure on a leg press. Cool. So we're not going to max that like honestly, it sounds really fucking obvious But a lot of you guys do shit like that all the time

So these two those that's my number two, but only because you stole in one So we'll go to like the big hitters here and see where we well These might not be the big hitters This might be these might be the dingleberries because maybe we already named the cool ones But go ahead and go with your third option Yeah, those are those are definitely my big hitters the third one, I'm going to go off base and just choose not to answer the question directly and say it would be a commitment to subscribing

to research reviews in the industry of people that are just like, know what they're talking about. And so the three that I would say, if we're just trying to be helpful for people like coaches listening of like, how can I do more ongoing education would be Alan Aragon's research review,

the mass research review and Chris Beardsley research review. And yeah, Beardsley is really good as well. And he, you know, puts everything into nice, concise infographics, but if you really are looking for a little bit deeper than that, I think that his research review is really good. But those three have been just massively, massively. And I know that it's interesting because it's easy. It's almost like human psychology. It's easier for us to do a course that has a beginning a middle and end and then and then i get to put the numbers after my letters after my name like this is not that and so you actually have to sit down and read alan's review for an hour and a half and you don't nobody you

don't get a fucking like high five at the end and so these have been things that's like it's no alphabet soup for you at the end of your name. That's it. Right. No, nobody knows except for you that you are learning. And so this is like one of the things that might be less sexy, but like, man, if you once a week or it's once a month, we're all been like, sit down and put a couple hours into that massively, massively helpful for ongoing education. Dude, that's, that's a great plug because that is really, really been valuable for me too. I've been like a mass bro since it first came out. And sometimes I read them, sometimes I don't.

Sometimes I just do the audio piece because for a lot of us, it's like, okay, one, it's very difficult to sit down and pour through dense information. And so that might make something like this seem prohibitive but they're not just like it's not i want people to understand it's not like i click in it and they have the studies for me to read you'd like to review for you and they've actually distilled it for you so they'll they will give you the full text which is valuable in and of itself because sometimes getting a hold of those and corralling full text when you're trying to find something is an absolute bitch. If you've never looked through research or you've never tried to read research, it's like, oh, fuck yeah, I think I found it. Oh, no, just the abstract. Oh, I think I found it.

It's very difficult to find full text, open access research. And so that is there, which is cool, but they've kind of taken it and training wheeled it for you, which for me is honestly better. It's not that I can't read, but I don't want to read it. You have a different job. Yeah. Yeah. My job is totally different. And so these guys really put it in such a way.

It's really polished. It's really nice. They have graphs. They have things that make it make a lot of sense. Like if there is a scatter plot in the data that would look better as a bar graph and with bigger and bolder things, they'll move it over. So you're like, oh, my gosh. And it's put together by my number three, moving on to my number three, which is a podcast. Eric Trexler and Greg Knuckles host a podcast called Stronger by Science.

And so this is one that I love. And I love it because both of these guys have extremely dry sarcastic humor like i i promise you it will slightly astound you like they did an episode very recently where they discussed the shikari richardson uh cannabis yeah um i saw some of the suspension and he goes i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm gonna fuck up my microphone i'm laughing so hard but he says the thing where you might remember a particular u.s swimmer michael phelps who went out and smoked the reefer prior to the 2008 olympic games and you want to know what happened to him nobody heard from him again he's a total loser because he got addicted to drugs

for whatever reason the amount of dry humor in there makes it really palatable, but it is an upper level kind of what I would describe as body composition slash strength sport centric physiology podcast. There's a lot of discussion about higher level things in physiology, but that's what I thought was really, really valuable because we've touched on anatomy. We've touched on nutrition. We've touched on practical applications of anatomy, like biomechanics or mobility. But one of those underlying things that makes your job as a coach a lot easier is understanding physiology. And that's a very, very difficult course to get your hands on. You kind of have to do something in the kinesiology field, or you need to do something in like the nursing field to get

access to like good physiology coursework. Like you're not, there's no NASM physiology there. So it's like to hear these guys for free regularly talk about the fundamental physiological mechanisms of fat loss and muscle gain is like, wow, this shouldn't be free. And these are part of the team behind mass. So you'll get a lot of that carry over to you. Like if you're just a total cheap ass, sign up for the Stronger by Science Research Roundup. That shit doesn't cost anything.

And if you have all four, the mass, the research roundup, which I found is usually just that didn't make the cut of mass. And there's a lot of really great stuff out there that's not too cost prohibitive and search roundup, which I found is usually just that didn't make the cut of mass. And, um, you know, there's a lot of really great stuff out there. That's not too cost prohibitive and will make you a lot better coach. Great. Okay. We're going to go on to the next questions. And this is, this is, I think a really good one because this will feed into what we talked about most recently. This is from Randall Santaabria and he asks, what are some new exercise changes you've made in your programming that you've been enjoying recently?

You want me to go first? Yeah. Oh yeah. I know you made some changes. I've seen the gram. I've seen it. It is on the gram. I didn't trade my lats for probably the first 10 years. And so I think both of us can attest to like, you know, the change in the, I guess a little bit of a shift in the industry of people too far out of the scope here but like if you are doing let's say incorrect lat training or you think you're doing lat training a lot of times what ends up happening is you're it's not like something bad is happening it's just you're working other muscle groups like your your terrace major and some of the upper back muscles your rear delts your rhomboids and those muscles for me have always been like exponentially larger and i always thought like like that genetically, that's just like, when I raised my arms up to pull the lat pull down, I had this like huge teres major, but like probably 20 year old me,

he was like, Oh, you have huge lats. And like, he didn't understand that there was a difference here. And so definitely super tight and sore. Yeah. How come only the top of my lat gets sore? Yeah. How come only the top of my lat gets sore? My upper, my upper lats. It's like, actually those aren't your lats at all. Um, and so, yeah, so definitely, I mean, we could, we could go back and forth for, but I'll let you go, but definitely incorporating more proper lat training via, you know, exercises like chest,

this is a lot of pull downs and single arm, like pull downs and just more proper arm path and biomechanics to train lats effectively. But I think that's hilarious because it, it makes me laugh about all the things I used to just be like, that's freaking for lats. I've probably made some of the shifts that I just said to more appropriate lat training for about eight weeks. And I'm not somebody who ever looks at before and after pictures, but this is something that I actually wanted to see is like if I start start putting in some real lat work, like, is there going to be a change? And, uh, you know, eight, eight weeks, I'm not saying it's magic. I'm obviously the same person, but I could actually

see something. And I was like, wow, these muscles have just been not doing anything for a decade. You know? Yeah. And like, if you want to talk about, Hey, you want to see some pretty considerable change in the way you look without a shirt on or the way your clothes fit in men and women, build a little bit of that. That's going to fundamentally change your physique. I'm not a massive bodybuilding purist, but I am a fan of bodybuilding. And I'm pretty well versed in the kind of illusional requirements, if that's even a thing, bodybuilders. And even though like if we're talking purely genetics, you want a really small waist, but not everybody has the smallest waist. And so getting that tapered V look is kind of this illusion, if you will, that all bodybuilders are constantly trying to build and enhance. Like the bigger that lat taper is, that V taper,

the smaller the waist looks. And so there's a few things you can do and it really just comes down to can you develop the delts enough to create width at the top which is hard and can you develop the lats which is also hard if you train lats the way most people do and so i'm kind of right with jordan like i got a free motion for the gym out in the garage. Expensive, very expensive. 5,500 fucking dollars. You guys purchase you ever made. Totally. I felt so baller when I was like, yeah, back up the free motion into my fucking house. Like for like three months, dude, I was like in the kitchen. I was like, the fucking free motion of my house, bro. I can't afford dinner, but I got a free motion. Stupid. I was like, this is dumb, but I'm like, what an embarrassment of riches. I'm going to walk out and I'm going to

hit fucking tricep extensions while the air fryer blasts me some chicken nuggets. I was like, this is like 16-year-old me's dream. And somehow it's become true all because of this. I bought a free motion just to do that lat training. Literally just because I was like, if I can just move that freaking cable where I need it and I can put my chest on this bench, I can absolutely flame out my lats. And I'm telling you guys, this is no joke. So if you're like, what the fuck are they talking about? Go to Jordan's Instagram.

He's posted quite a bit of this stuff recently. And you'll see like, I could do that and try it. Do the, make sure the cues are right and it will blow you up. Something that I have been doing that I don't necessarily love when I'm doing it, but it is definitely making a noticeable change in the way my body feels is I have been ending most of my workouts on the assault bike with a 10-20 interval. So it's a 10-second sprint followed by a 20-second cool-down period. And that interval repeats for eight rounds. And the assault bike or the echo bike is pretty cool because it has a wattage component on the upper middle section. so like if you're ripping on it you'll be like oh my watts are climbing and

you'll see this number go higher and higher and higher at the end of the interval you'll get your peak watts and you'll get your max watts and it's just really simple feedback so what i've been doing at the end of most of my workouts is i try to over the course of a month, see if I can get my peak Watts higher and my max Watts higher doing the same interval. And it only takes me four minutes, but I feel quite a bit different aerobically. And this could be either completely nutritional, completely hydration related, or all like some multi, you know, faceted component, or a derivative of sauna, water, and hydration, but I'm much more vascular when I started doing this.

I feel like that increased upper level aerobic output has maybe an acute effect, but it could be a chronic effect on the visible vascularity in my body, which I'm all about. Maybe it's the element. It could be the element electrolyte keeping me hyper mega hydrated. Do you have anything else you've been throwing in there? I guess the one thing that just came to mind was, was taking my ego out of exercise selection. I just say my ego, maybe what I mean is taking the emotion out of exercise selection and viewing everything just more objectively as a tool and just reminding myself that I don't have to do certain exercises.

I just need to accomplish the goal that I want. And so I thinking about, you know, needing to back squat, like having back squatted, this is the longest time it's been since I back squat. I've done more hack squat and leg pressing and, and, and, uh, leg extensions and heal elevated split squats. And I'm listening. Back squats are great. A lot of people listening at home, you guys have just barbells and stuff.'re going to back squat it's great it's a totally a great exercise but just for those of you who might have like full gym access and maybe max hypertrophy

goals like trying to take the emotion out of your exercise selection and recognizing you don't have to barbell deadlift from the floor you might not actually be able to with good technique or squat ass to grass or even break parallel and so taking the emotion out of the exercise selection and viewing things a little bit more objectively, like as what the tool, like what these things are good for. Yeah. Did you ever have anything that like it was a staple for years? Like this is an exercise that you did on every push day, every leg day. Do you remember what oh yeah a close close grip close grip cable row with the tiny little close oh yeah before before finally like you know realizing that like i actually can't get my arms all the way behind me and i can't actually retract i can't actually get into full shoulder

extension with this tiny little triangle and listen it's not the end of the world that's all you got and totally use it it's not like you're not going to grow muscle but like that was like you could pull the whole stack with that thing you know and so i had to realize you're not going to grow a muscle, but like, that was like, you could pull the whole stack with that thing, you know? And so I had to realize, you know, you go to like one, you guys know what I'm talking about? It's like the small silver, silver bar. Everyone knows it. And if you grab a neutral grip, it looks like the roof of a barn made out of metal. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And if you grab a neutral grip, which has like your palms facing each other, that's like slightly wider. All of a sudden you're moving half the weight and you're like, oh, fuck this. I'm not even doing cable rows anymore. It's impossible.

This is the worst lift known to man. Who made this handle? I need to speak to the manager right now. My experience has been subpar. And if you're finding value, it would mean the world to me if you would share it on your social media. Simply screenshot whatever platform you're listening to and share the episode to your Instagram story or share it to Facebook. But be sure to tag me so I can say thanks and we can chat it up about what you liked and how I can continue to improve. Thanks so much for supporting the podcast and enjoy the rest of the episode. That was one that I did very frequently. But I would say that some form of machine chest press would make it into every fucking chest day

because the gym that I went to when I started lifting weights in high school in my super small podunk California hick town, I'm now living in Sonoma County, which is like exponentially more bougie and liberal. So I've become contaminated. Uh, like when I go back home, I'm like, ah, there's a really disgusting amount of lifted fucking trucks here. Um, but Hey, it's all right. I'll just try to enjoy the mountains of residual Copenhagen that line

the streets. Uh, let's just, you know, try to settle in here of residual Copenhagen that line the streets. Let's just, you know, try to settle in here. But like all that I had there was dumbbells and barbells. And so I was benching and freaking dumbbell bench until the cows came home, as most young men are apt to do. And when I moved down here to where I live now, the gym had like five machine chest presses. And like there would be days where I do every single one because I was like, the gym had like five machine chest presses. And like, there would be days where I do every single one because I was like, this is amazing. And, um, when COVID happened before I got my free motion, I had to abandoned, I had to abandon my machine chest pressing. And I was

like, yeah, that shit was just, I actually survived. My pecs survived. And, uh, it's weird. I know it shouldn't work, but barbell bench press has always been something that the more I do it, I just get good growth from it. I'm sure that's a complete bullshit. Because for those of you who are listening, barbell bench press is kind of a shitty exercise. It's only really in there for my clients who like to barbell bench or who have expressed to me they want to do barbell bench, or they have limitations on what the fuck they can press. But more often than not, my clients get a lot of flies and they get a lot of dumbbell pressing. I just find that they are generally better. Um, if, um, if you're training strength, it's, it's a great movement. And a lot of people literally have to train that

for their sport. Like, it's like, okay, like that's part of my power lifting, but other than that, not a huge fan of the barbell press. Yeah. Shameless plug. It was like a first question on the Q and a podcast that I just posted today. So, uh, if you guys wanted more longer breakdown of why barbells might not be your best option, you could have their shameless plug. Um, but yeah, yeah. Um, agreed. Yeah. Barbell, even barbell bench press could be an answer that like little me did for like 20 years before, before realizing that like for optimal pet growth, you're probably going to want to like adduct the arms a little bit out in front of the body and the only thing that really does that is dumbbells and cables but you're like you

know what though like this barbell this jack dude i know at the gym the biggest guy in the gym he does barbell bench press i have to do it it is a rite of passage exercise like i'm i'm like i don't think there's a man like this is the thing that also i've also noticed like pretty much fucking everybody goes to the gym now you know this is like i know this is stupid but i was just thinking about this i was like every young person's kind of working out these days like if you're like hey do you work out and they go oh i go to f45 you're like okay well that's the new i don't work out because like you talk to like anybody, they're like, yeah, I lift. Okay. What's your split? I do a push, pull leg. Okay, bitch. I see you like everywhere you go. It's like, all right,

I guess everybody kind of lifts weights now or is somewhat familiar with the like lingo and the verbiage. And like, I'm, I get it. Like people have been working on this, but it trips me out. Like every man has, has made a run at 225 and like every adult, every adult man in America or every, and every kid on Tik TOK who just started lifting, they are chasing 225. Of all of the fitness rites of passage, it's very simple. Two-plate bench, three-plate squat, four-plate deadlift. All of those are rites of passage.

If you got a four-plate squat or a four-up, you got a fucking five-plate squat. You got a fucking six-plate deadlift, but you don't got a two-plate bench, you are a pussy. plate deadlift but you don't got a two plate bench you are a pussy and i know that it's like so unnuanced and very like toxic masculinity if you will but that is just the fucking rules for the road and everybody knows it like everybody every dude in america is chasing 225 on the bed there are kids out there there's some hype there's high schoolers all around the country right now who can't bench 100 who have 225 on the bar trying to rip it. It's just like, nope, they can't even put the plates on the bar.

They are going for it. And there are training partners doing upright rows trying to pick it up off their chest. It's happening all around the country. Just pure negatives. Like, hey, bro, have you ever heard of negative? And there's other logic here. Have you ever been guillotined? There's only logic that exists in weight rooms with teenagers. Have you ever been guillotined? Yeah, which you only get one. And it's sadly the one you were after originally, because like all of your gains are like more appreciated by the dudes.

But when you are young, you get this like really smart idea when you've made the run at 225 and you like blast it out on your sixth set at like 200. You're like, okay, instead of going 135, 155, 165, I'm going to start at 225 and I'm just going to send it cold. And like, I cannot tell you how many kids have gotten buried because they've never even unracked that before. And they're just like, Ooh, he's centric and they're completely cold. But I, I definitely try to dry rip of two 25 when I was like going for it, which is the golf equivalent of like having

never golfed before. And like trying to tee your driver out of a sand trap. You're going to destroy your club. Like it's just not going to happen. Like your body can't handle it. You're not good enough. And that's what the dry rip of 225 is. But it's a thing. Should I start with the most weight I can do when I'm fresh? No, that's a literally awful idea. You've been lifting for four weeks. These things happen, people. Okay. Here's another question that I really like from Sarita O. And she asks, how much does meal timing make a difference in workouts as well as with recovery? I'm almost glad she didn't say fat loss because we would have, the question would have been a much easier question. It would have been, it doesn't matter at all really outside

of adherence. Um, give us something. And so how, how much does meal timing affect the quality of workouts? More than zero. Uh, it doesn't not affect them at all. Um, but I would say that there's definitely a hierarchy here of like your total carbohydrate, your total calories first, or we'll be talking about the presence of a surplus maintenance or deficit. Obviously if you're in a deficit, like yes, mealtime is going to matter more, but you're still going to be in a worse situation than if you had more total calories on average per day. Um, and so how much does meal timing matter? It matters more than zero, but less than what you're doing on average most of the time. And I also think it might matter depending on what type of workout you're doing. Are we doing a strength training program where it's not very glycolytic and you don't need a lot of stored glycogen for that?

Or are we doing HIIT training where it's very glycolytic? Or are we doing something in the middle, hypertrophy style training where it's like semi-glycolytic and you're not going to totally deplete glycogen? You don't need to be on 600 carbs, but you're going to have to be on something. Or we'll do better if you have more carbs, you could survive keto lifting. Okay. Just saying. And so I would say that it matters more than zero. It doesn't matter a ton,

but if you're doing a lot of other things, correct. Then I think it's something to look into. And we can talk about what, what, you know, a more appropriate meal timing for, let's say, let's say in the context of hypertrophy training would look like. Um, but I do think it's, we're talking less important than what you're doing daily, or at least on average. Totally. I mean, the Helms pyramid, it always comes to mind when somebody brings up meal timing because it's on there somewhere, but it's not at the bottom. And that's something that I think really matters is, okay, have I earned

the right to focus on this? And in most instances, the answer is no, you shouldn't be focusing on this because it's almost a distraction from the shit that really is quite simple and that you want to divert most of your energy to these two things. And that's going to be total calories and total macros. If you're not doing those two things like you're not going to even reap the benefits of the timing because you could actually be falling short. And it's like, these things work best at effective dosages like supplements, right? Like meal timing takes the baton only when you've hit total macros. If you haven't hit total macros, you're, you're, you're, you know, you're not going to reap the full benefit. It might like, it might save you a little bit to have some good meal timing. It might make a little difference, but it's like, come on, bro. Like,

don't be hitting me up about your muscle milk. If you haven't, you know, even hit total protein, like, like, Oh, I had protein after my workout. What'd you have the rest of the day? Literally nothing. Okay. So it's, it's like, don't even think about that until you've got the other two things. And it used to be that like, it was all about the anabolic window. It was like, if you didn't get protein within 30 minutes of your workout, you were, you know, literally you will waste your workout. I'm pretty sure that was the muscle milk branding. Don't waste your workout. But after a lot of the nutrient timing literature kind of got fleshed out in like the early to like mid 20 teens, and we started seeing, wow, it's really not that important. And it's so much more important to get total macros.

Like we went hard line away from nutrient timing and people were literally like, it doesn't fucking matter at all. If your coach says nutrient timing matters, they're an idiot and they don't know the science. And that was like a literal thing. And I was like, well, yeah, I guess. And like intuitively I was like, I guess it's not that important, but I'm still having my post-workout shake. Why? Because it couldn't hurt. And I think that's a really good segue for what I kind of want you to talk about, which is like, let's say you do have the macros, right? Let's say you do have those calories dialed and the lifestyle stuff dialed. If we're talking purely hypertrophy, like I just want to gain the most muscle possible. And I want

to get a sick pump when I'm training. Do you have any nutritional strategies or hydration strategies that you like to implement around the training window? Yeah. Yeah. I'll go a little, I'll take one small step into a little bit broader spectrum there. I think if we're talking about dream timing or meal timing, if we talk about meal timing for adaptations for hypertrophy, what we're primarily talking about is, is protein distribution. And so like the time, if we're exactly talking about the exact time that you're having protein, I don't think that that's necessarily as helpful a discussion as listen, if you're getting at least,

let's say 0.8 grams per pound or 1.6 grams per kg of body weight of protein dispersed across, let's say at least three meals, the timing of your protein does not matter. It's like, okay, I have it at 8am or 12am and 4am. It's like have at least three meals and hit at least 1.6 grams or let's say 0.8 grams per pound of body weight. So from an adaptation perspective, at least in hypertrophy and strength, I guess, I suppose as well, the growth of muscle tissue, we're talking about protein and we're talking about protein distribution, timing less important, but number

of feedings is relevant or at least more important. And so I would say, listen, get at least 0.8 grams per pound of protein per day and have that over at least three meals. And you're good to important. And so I would say, listen, get at least 0.8 grams of protein per day and have that over at least three meals. Um, and you're good to go. And then if we look at meal timing for performance is more of the question you asked, are there any nutritional protocols that I might advise for people trying to, you know, get the best performance out of their hypertrophy sessions? Personally, I think the first line of defense, the first discussion is like, you should be going into your sessions feeling good. Like, and I know that that's a vague thing, but instead of like this many grams of carbs, this much gram of protein, I'm most concerned that you're eating in a pattern where you show up to your workout, not stuffed from your meal and not starving for your next one. And if you, I've been playing, I've been playing like semi, likepetitive old fat man soccer lately in this league. And I've

been, and I know this shit, I know how to optimize performance for this exact sort of activity. And I find myself from like, just coming back to like, just go in there, not being stuffed and not being starving. And you're already ahead of the game. So if we're talking about mealtime for performance, I would say just like, make sure you're not having huge meals. Like the couple of rules of thumb would be the closer it is to training, the less amount of calories, the less amount of fiber, the less amount of fat, because all of that stuff's going to make it digest longer. The closer you get to training or the further away you are from training sodium in that pre-workout meal or even in like a pre-workout shake somewhere in you know, half hour to an hour before the gym to make sure that obviously the electrolyte balance is in check and obviously you get sick pumps and, you know, maybe you could touch on how that sodium might not be a huge deal for the average person, but I'm curious if you have any other things to add to that. I thought that was wonderful. And I think that you really painted something, you kind of grabbed something else that we had neglected, which is outside of the workout window, the value of actually distributing your protein across multiple feedings. I think that that's something that has a lot of practicality.

And it's like, hey, can you eat four 25-gram protein servings across your day? That would be fucking amazing. your day, that would be fucking amazing. Like if people did that one thing, that would really be a tremendously effective nutritional strategy for at like a population level for people to try to eat four decent sized servings of protein. Like if that was like included, let's just say in some government food pyramid-esque, you know, deliverable that you saw places or you saw in schools, like that would really make a huge difference on body composition because spreading your protein across your day is not just good for muscle protein synthesis. It's good for satiety. It's good for keeping your blood sugar stable. All of these really cool things that come from regular protein consumption. And so I think that there

in fixes the entire issue. If I was trying to be like the ultimate refiner of things, I might do a protein feeding 90 minutes prior to training and a protein feeding within 120 minutes of finishing training. If for no other reason, then I might want to have some degree of carbohydrate present around the training window to mitigate or blunt the cortisol response. I genuinely do not know how impactful that cortisol response is the way most people train. Quite frankly, it could be completely negligible. I have no fucking clue. I am totally splitting hairs here. I am grabbing at straws So we have really cool things to talk about. So I think that this is something that is totally missing the forest for the trees. But

when you train really, really hard, your cortisol is inclined to rise because it is a stress response. And super hard, arduous training, again, there's a good chance you don't fall into this category, but super hard, stressful training could elevate your cortisol. So one of the ways you can help counteract a rise in cortisol that would be catabolic or actually start to expedite the rate at which your protein was breaking down from your training is to have carbohydrates present. Some people recommend sipping on things like cyclic dextrin, which are carbohydrates that can more quickly be assimilated in the small intestine and large intestine, right? So like, they're not going to feel like I just ate a fucking multigrain Ezekiel bread, like where you're like, Oh man, this is, or like a huge bowl of oatmeal before you train.

That's just in your stomach the entire time you're training. Um, that's like the worst thing. This is a carbohydrate that's pretty lightweight. It gets in there, it gets dissolved and absorbed quickly. So it doesn't like feel heavy, uh, supposed to have minimal effect on like the, the small intestine gastric stuff, GI stuff. But I think you could get most of those effects by just having a pre-training meal with some carbs and a somewhat close to the finish, like the end of your workout meal, uh, of carbs too. So a little bit of protein before and after, and a little bit of protein before and after and a little bit of carbs before and after if i was like totally trying to be like mr goddess a plus in class like you know i'm going to try to show that my behavior is exemplary that's what i would do as for like performance strategies um like caffeine of course but something i think a lot of people just take caffeine

habitually but it doesn't do anything for them like, this might be like an appropriate time to go, Hey, if you're not getting anything out of your caffeine, like, and you're like, I take two scoops of fucking pre-workout every day. Like this is what I do. Do like a half a scoop or a scoop of pre-workout and a half a scoop of the Legion stem free, you know, just like start to draw back and like, give yourself that obsessive, like neurotic need to put two scoops of something into a bottle and shake it till it's like chartreuse. There's a color for you. And dial back the caffeine and resensitize yourself to caffeine. If you want an acute performance kick that you're like, holy shit, wean down on the caffeine

and then add it in strategically. Do no caffeine two days a week, a little caffeine two days a week, and then like fucking hammer it on your leg days. Like if you could do that, you would actually probably get something out of caffeine and notice it a little bit. I love the sodium addition. Like I think supplemental electrolytes are awesome. The best way that I could like describe this to people is like few things are more interactive with a water molecule than carbohydrate and sodium. And so like, you're probably like, what, like, what, what does that have to do with anything? Like when we're talking about getting pumps and we're talking about like looking in the mirror and being like, I look swole,

I look vascular. That really just comes down to how much fluid is in the tissue, how much blood is in the tissue, how much water is in the tissue. So if you go to the gym really early in the morning, you'll probably notice your pumps are like way worse than if you go later in the tissue. So if you go to the gym really early in the morning, you'll probably notice your pumps are like way worse than if you go later in the afternoon. If you go in the evening and you never train in the evening, you're like, who the fuck am I? Like, I look incredible. You get wicked pumps because you're super, if you're handling your business, you're super loaded on carbs, you're super loaded on sodium, and you've been drinking water all day. In the morning, you're generally, I don't want to say carb depleted, but you don't have as much circulating blood glucose, right?

You're like literally just waking up. You're like, okay, like I haven't eaten anything. I haven't eaten anything in 10 hours. Part of what wakes you up is the fact that you haven't eaten. And so what, what starts to happen then is like, you start to hydrate better. You start to have more carbohydrate. You start to have more salt. you start to have more carbohydrate, you start to have more salt, you start to get better pumps.

You can try to frame those things around your workout. We talked a little bit about the carbs. Jordan hit on the sodium a little bit too, which is like a supplemental electrolyte 120 to 90 minutes before training is going to get more salt in your system, but carbohydrates and salt will pull water in more quickly. If you have sodium present, if you have carbohydrate present, you'll probably pull that fluid in more quickly. And if you think about all of those people that come up to you and go, oh my gosh, I'm so bloated. It's always after they had something extremely high in carbohydrates and extremely high in sodium. So sushi is one for sure. Like, oh my God, last night I had sushi.

I went to the sauna after this, after eating like what would have been three or four rolls of sushi. I felt horrible. I felt so absolutely horrible because what was happening inside of my body was all of the soy sauce and rice was fighting so hard to hold on to the water and everything in the sauna wanted to pull the sweat out of me. And I felt like my soul and my, my body were in a fight for survival. It was the least comfortable I've ever been in my life. It was like, I wanted to sweat so bad, but I couldn't. And I just felt like a bloated fat dude in a 200 degree room. And it was, it was pretty awful. So pre-workout sushi, bad pre-sauna sushi, quite possibly fatal. Yeah. And to circle back around one thing about protein feedings, and then I want to do something on caffeine that we can move on.

But if you just do me a favor and you take me some paper and you write out, uh, the hours of the day that you're awake and let's say, uh, you know, you don't eat three hours before bed. So we chop that off. Let's say it's two hours before bed, whatever, maybe you do. Um, and you write down for protein feedings, like relative evenly spaced throughout the day. You just write them down. You make a mark on that paper, and then you slot your training somewhere in the day. You're going to hit on what Danny said. It was like getting a protein feeding beforehand. And after within, let's say two hours on either end, like it's just going to happen. Like this is like, doesn't need too much thought. It's like I need four meals a day or three, whatever.

Even if it's three evenly spaced meals, you're probably still going to meet those requirements. And the second thing is on the, on the caffeine where the irony is like, if you look at what like the ergogenic benefit of caffeine, like it, it's probably if I'm not saying it doesn't help for hypertrophy, it's, but if you're, it probably helps more for powerlifting and endurance training than it does for hypertrophy training.

And so what we're, what you're 99% of people that are taking pre-workout are taking it for actually this like nootropic benefit and caffeine is a nootropic. It has a nootropic benefit. And so the irony is if you could get that nootropic benefit without layering on more caffeine that you almost certainly don't need, wouldn't you take it? Like if you could achieve that same, like the caffeine benefit is probably better for people who lift, lift really, really, really heavy, more neurological, more strength-based training, or for people doing more endurance-based training.

But a lot of people listening to this do like hypertrophy training. And what you're really taking this pre-workout for is to get in the zone. And what I have found, and I think you and I are both, you know, work with Legion. And so is that their stim-free pre-workout, which it sounds like an oxymoron,

has an ingredient called alpha-GPC, which is a really, really strong nootropic. And it has been an absolute revelation for me and my training and a lot of people that work with me to bring their overall caffeine level down while still taking something that allows them to get that in zone feeling. And what I will even say is I would actually 10 out of 10, take the alpha GPC over the caffeine. Now, if you have, you know, legions regular per workout, I do believe it has both. I'm not sure if it has both. Regardless, you could do one scoop of each fine if you train first thing in the morning that

caffeine kind of more wakes you up and you need that in addition to this in the zone feeling fine you can have caffeine as well but if you're training like midday afternoon god forbid evening and this caffeine is sitting in your blood for 10 hours and you don't want to have that go for a step three per workout i will scream from I will scream it from the rooftops. It's a game changer. The in the zone feeling that you are looking for can be achieved better without caffeine, frankly, in my opinion. Yeah. I call like stim-free pre-workout. It's like diet pre-workout. You know, it's not going to fuck you up the way that mainlining 400 milligrams of caffeine just to not feel tired for six years is going to. And like the truth is like, even if the performance benefits are nothing more than just like, oh, I feel slightly more

alert. That can be really beneficial for where some people are at to be able to actually lean on that instead of be dependent on that. And also, I don't know, like I understand that most people, not all people feel this way, but I think most people do enjoy coffee. I really do. Like I understand that most people, not all people feel this way, but I think most people do enjoy coffee. I really do. Like, I think that pop coffee is quite possibly the most popular non-alcoholic beverage. Like, I think if you were to pool people, you're like, do you like beer? Do you like wine? Do you like tequila?

Do you like, you know, whatever caffeine over drunk any day? Yeah. I think a lot of people would say like, do you like coffee? And I think you'd probably get the most yeses. Like I really do like i think quite possibly the most popular non-soft drink maybe even more popular than soft drinks beverage and of course decaf is not very good but caffeinated coffee tends to be quite flavorful quite aromatic people enjoy it um you know you don't want to load it up in calories but like if you are somebody who drinks one to two

coffees every day and takes pre-workout, and a lot of people do this. We're talking about a caffeine intake north of 400 milligrams a day. Some people are taking in the eights. I know people that drink, have coffee and then drink bang energy drinks across the day. They just drink pre-workout slowly all day. We've normalized caffeine consumption to the point where it's, I think, borderline harmful. Again, this isn't in my scope, but I think we have a lot of people dealing with anxiety and dealing with excess stress that's exacerbated by being constantly bombarding their brain with caffeine. And so I think if you could just work it down to, yeah, I enjoy a couple cups of coffee or like a few shots of espresso in the morning, and I have a stim-free pre-workout,

like I think you'd end up like getting a lot more enjoyment and actual benefit out of your caffeine intake. And it won't be such a drag the way that like taking two scoops of caffeinated pre-workout are. So I would shift to the stim-free if for no other reason than I could just enjoy more coffee and be a lot less caffeinated. Cause like two scoops of pre-workout guys, for some of you who aren't initiated, like they used to actually like say this on the label, it'd be like one scoop is eight cups of coffee. And you'd be like, all right, well that's fucking good branding because I drink four locos and burn tires with my friends on Fridays. You're like, this is pretty damn stupid to put this in my body. If one scoop is eight cups of coffee, but I'm sending it. And one thing I, you don't want to do that.

One thing I love about Legion is that we use fully full clinically effective doses and that's not their fault. The full clinical effective dose of dose of caffeine is going to be in that like four to six milligrams per kilogram, which is a metric, which is a metric, which is a metric fuck ton's say an average of like one to two milligrams per pound would be a nice two, two milligrams per pound would be a nice limit. If you're a 150 pound person, that's 300 milligrams of caffeine. That's like two strong cups of caffeine. Um, and that's PS that's like one bang energy, by the way, which is the most ludicrous energy has listened to me. I had somebody stop me in 7-Eleven asking me why I was buying a Monster one day. And I had a white Monster and they had a bang and they were like, oh, I don't like the white Monster. I like the bang. I'm like, that bang has over twice the caffeine. Like a Monster is actually a relatively low amount of caffeine per volume of liquid.

It's 140 milligrams of caffeine for like 12 ounces of liquid or maybe in 16 the bang is 300 to 350 milligrams of caffeine it's insane there are people knocking these back like it's nothing i know i like i used to work in a corporate gym and like the normalization of like grunge college kid walking in like cracking open the 5 p.m at 9 a.m yeah 5 p.m crashes my breakfast bang bro and it's like these are my work beers dog and i'm like okay you're gonna have three of those a day yeah and they're going to be flavored cotton candy green apple fucking jizz ball and you know like flaming anus orange because you're at that point you're just shitting your pants. Like, and I know that the aggregate of that much caffeine across your day is slowly destroying your ability to actually get out of bed and function as a human

being. But like bang, I don't like to get political, but bang is like the Uber is to trash company in the fucking entire world. And the like bang CEO dude is the dude's a fucking nutbag like all i'm gonna say you just google it and and take it from there he also they also try and put additional whatever we're not gonna we could do a fucking laundry list but it's like super creatine or bcaas or they're like oh we have a coq10 in here not one of those ingredients is any more than a fucking one little pixelation of that ingredient

there's 0.01 grams of creatine now i can put creatine on here there is nowhere near a clinical effective dose of any of this bullshit you're like oh i got my bang with bcaa so it's all nonsense i got my bang with creatine there's not enough creatine in there oh coq10 i don't even know what the fuck that is like yeah yeah yeah and you don't want amino acid derivatives floating around in co2 all day yeah okay you don't you do not want to you know like highest standard yeah so if you want to like also don't dry scoop your pre-workout if you can avoid it because it probably needs to be mixed in some water but if you want an effective pre-workout you probably want it to start off as a powder anything you're getting out of those cans, the quality of those ingredients is inherently

either diminished or usually of lower quality. So the carbonated energy drinks that you get at the gym for $5, save the $25 a week you were spending on that and get a coach. Seriously, a lot of people are out there spending $4 a day on bangs, which equates to like $120 a month. If you go to the gym every day, which you shouldn't, but a lot of you do. And so, yeah, don't do that. All right, Jordan. I think that'll do it, man.

I think we gave him some good stuff. I think we gave him some good stuff and also some serious tangents, but it was a hell of a good time. If you're not out here, like literally, you know, just ripping these routes off like Devante Adams with these tangents. You're not doing it right. I know none of you like football. I'm just excited.

We're 50 days away, okay? But Jordan, tell them where they can find you. The two best places for me are going to be on Instagram at JordanLipsFitness or my podcast is Where Optimal Meets Practical on Spotify and iTunes. Do I do anything else? I don't think I do anything else. If you're ever interested, you have a question, shoot me a DM, I'll answer all DMS. I don't have quite as many followers as Danny, so I'll probably be able to actually answer you. Yeah. Thanks. I just hit this like

level of followers that is like the shitty level. Now I'm on the shitty level where I've got the nut bags coming in and I'm like, okay. Oh no. I just started to get people being like you and I, I just, i don't go too big a tangent here we're on our way out but like i just got to a point where i'm either getting trolls or actually like really rude people and i'm like wow am i there my did i make it mom like i had an exchange with a man today where i was called a homophobic slur the the one that you probably don't want to say like the one that starts with an f and this was this was non-sexual at all this wasn't even about fitness this was a comment that i made on a fitness

meme and within two exchanges this guy threw that at me and i was just like whoa man like i guess we're i guess we're here now and i i don't know if i was ready for it. People say that? I was like, bro, really? I wanted so desperately to be like, listen, bitch, I've had sex with way more girls than you. Okay. But I didn't. I was just like, okay, shut the hell up. You just let it be.

Did you start off with not having thick skin and did it change for you? Because I catch myself, like Jenna will be like, what are you doing? I'm like still on the toilet for like the 13th minute and i'm like i'm i'm i'm in the comments of my own comments i'm ripping this guy up and it's like a troll from iraq who's like doesn't have a profile picture who's like trolling me like this dude's fucking profile picture just said liberty he had zero posts and like followed 120 people and i'm like okay you're just some fucking reddit

incel but i'm gonna end your life anyway you're already on the brink i'm gonna send this essay anyway and so like i learned to let it slide because one of the things i got contracted to do earlier in my career was do youtube videos for mind pump right and like that fucking was so much work it was hell hard and i had to make these videos within certain constraints that were beneficial for the channel because it wasn't my channel and so it was like i understand this like they have to be within a certain number of categories and like quite frankly i'm not that confident and i need to make eight videos a week so there was a large volume of these videos and like 99 of what was said across hundreds of videos was mostly kind things.

But every once in a while, there would be some like asinine comment that was like, hey, this guy's a total dipshit. Some of them were like really comical. Like, will somebody tell this guy he can't grow a mustache? What a pussy and i'm just like okay like i'm not sure if this is like one i find these hilarious because they're like i was like who the fuck would type this first off the fuck has time to type this but after a while they just get funny i promise you after a while they just get funny. I promise you after a while, they just get funny. And because you have to be able to frame it very simply. I asked myself this question, where would I need to be in my life

to communicate with somebody like this on the fucking internet? Where would I need to be? And that question right there usually makes me go, okay, I actually have empathy for this person. usually makes me go, okay, I actually have empathy for this person. And I feel this way about me on the toilet this morning. You needed that. And so like, you're like, just have empathy for these people in some capacity, because you need, they are looking for a level of validation that is so infantile, like recognition on the internet from somebody who they probably agree with more often than they disagree with them. But they found one thing they've keyed in on and they're going to be really mad about it. And it's like, God, man, the amount of anger that's coursing through your veins, that this is an actual fucking potential interaction for you is sad.

And if I'm wrong, I'll fucking own it. I've been shit on those videos where I was wrong because I fucking didn't know any better. And I was making eight videos a week and just trying to pull my way up the fucking ladder here in this industry. And I've totally been wrong. I couldn't tell you how many times I've been wrong. If I've said something wrong, I'll read it and I'll be like, shit, you're fucking right. Definitely bruised ego. I'm going to pull myself off the mat and I'm going to get better because I'm not here to be right. I'm here to get right. And so there's really like, if you've accepted those two things, you can kind of let it wash over you. But sometimes what really gets me is when people are creating the, like, like this one woman I got

into with about, um, the post I made about squat combo moves, squat curl press to twerk. She's, she totally attacked me for being racist because I included the phrase no cap. And she said that I appropriated that from black people, which I did. I just learned that no cap is okay. Okay. Fuck. Okay. You got me my bad, but I didn't know. And then two, like, okay, one, the only place I hear no cap is on the internet. And it's usually the phrase no. And then the cap, like, so, you know, I've seen a lot of no caps. And then she was like, like, basically was like, your body does not resemble that of these four hella fucking jacked black people, men and women who do combo movement, swipe videos. So you need to shut the fuck up and stay in your lane because these workouts don't work for white people. And she spelled white, YT, which I had to look that up. That is a pejorative way. And so I was like, okay, that's like, that's a pejorative way to communicate white. It's like basically like whitey YT, YT. It's like a slang. And so I i was like i was just getting demolished by this lady she

left like six comments on this post like three weeks after it posted and i was just like what is happening here what is going on and all i did this is not do not do this at home all i did when i got to the end of like her eighth comment is i was like lol what w ut that's like a trash response but she fucking flamed out on me and just went in so i had to block her because i was like this is absurd and i blocked her and i was like oh there goes that better unhappy witch back to the nether regions of hell where she came from like what the fuck man like if we had a, I would have been totally open to discussing that in comments or in DMs. But then you just started ending my reason for being here.

It was like I wasn't even communicating. And so there's a lot of angry people that are just looking for that thing. If you end up being that thing, it's okay. It's better to be on your end than their end. That's how I look at it. For that, yeah. All right, guys's better to be on your end than their end. That's how I look at it. Yeah. All right, guys, give Jordan a follow at Jordan lips fitness and listen to his podcast. It's already linked in the show notes below as is his profile. I hope you guys enjoy

today's episode. We'll be sure to get you on again, man. Thanks brother. Talk to you soon.