Dynamic Dialogue with Danny Matranga - 261: Obesity Drugs for Kids, Growing Glutes, Cryotherapy, Breathwork, Logan Pauls Energy Drinks + More!

Episode Date: February 2, 2023

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Starting point is 00:07:50 you can use the same way as cash every time you use the code and you'll also be supporting the show. Welcome in everybody to another episode of the Dynamic Dialogue podcast. Today we're going to have a few discussions about a variety of different topics based on some of the stuff Dialogue podcast. Today, we're going to have a few discussions about a variety of different topics based on some of the stuff you guys have been asking, commenting, or just general trends I've seen in fitness, especially looking at things over the course of the last month. It is the first of the month, so I would love to do a little housekeeping as well, but more generally talking about glute growth, good strategies for glute growth. Cryotherapy seems to be back. This is the cold rooms that drop below 200 plus degrees
Starting point is 00:08:33 Fahrenheit. They get extremely cold. Breath work, talking a lot about breath work specifically for regulating the nervous system, for regulating your acute and kind of current sense of well-being, what that could do for you as a mindfulness practice, breathwork, breathwork apps, just general breathwork culture is all the rage these days. So we can chat a little bit about that. And then also looking at Logan Paul, perhaps social media and YouTube's, one of the premier stars of the kind of YouTuber culture, Logan Paul, Mr. Beast, people like this. He has a new product on the market, not that new, but it's Prime Energy Drink. We'll discuss what's in it, whether that may or may not be worth your time. I have an interesting
Starting point is 00:09:17 take on that that I think you'll like to hear. So getting into those things, but first we'll do a little housekeeping. I'd love to chat fitness, what's going on in fitness and the fitness and health industry. I think one storyline has absolutely dominated recently. And this would be, you know, in general culture, maybe not fitness specific culture, but health culture. And that is the obesity drugs. They're not all GLP-1s, but GLP-1-like drugs like Monjaro, which isn't even a GLP-1, semaglutide, trizepatide, these weight loss drugs that you've heard of. The most common trade name for semaglutide is Ozempic. You've probably seen it. There's a ton of discussion going on right now about Ozempic as these drugs have more recently been cleared for use in children, which raises a tremendous amount of discourse, both cultural and political discourse. I don't think we've ever been in a more
Starting point is 00:10:19 definitively partisan period in our politics. And I don't think we've ever had a more split opinion on the, let's call it the faith in our institutions that would oversee pharmaceuticals has never been more inflamed. I'll put it that way. So I want to tread gently on this and just take a look at what we have here. We have got a drug that can help with obesity. I've seen it. I've had clients who've used Ozempic, Wegovi, Trizepatide. I have never had a client who's used Monjaro, but I've seen tremendous results when people incorporate these drugs. And the way they work is they really do reduce your appetite substantially. They can make food move through the digestive system more slowly so you feel fuller longer.
Starting point is 00:11:12 And they definitely have a satiating effect at the brain level. There is absolutely no denying that the mechanical digestion effects are playing a role. But people genuinely report being averted to foods, averted to alcohol. They don't feel hunger when they likely should. You can know a person's natural hunger satiety signals like, oh, they eat about this often. They get hungry if they don't eat with this much time between meals. You start them on these drugs and they notice rapid and quite, quite poignant changes in appetite, specifically downward. So people eat less when they take these drugs, period, end of story. As many of you know, the key to losing body fat in the longterm is to be in a
Starting point is 00:11:57 calorie deficit. Now I'll say this before we continue, I'm no physician, I'm no doctor, so I'm not going to make any recommendations as to whether you or your children should take these compounds. I will just speak to obesity more generally. So over 40% of Americans are obese. Obesity as a condition does increase your predisposition for secondary health conditions like cancer, cardiovascular disease, and stroke. health conditions like cancer, cardiovascular disease, and stroke. Not all people who are obese show signs of being unhealthy in that they could have normal blood pressure, they could exercise
Starting point is 00:12:32 regularly, they just have a hard time maintaining a lower body fat percentage. And this could be because of a variety of different factors. A lot of people are making a fuss about genetics as it pertains to body fat accumulation. And while you shouldn't spend too much time wrapped up in your genetics, there is absolutely no point in denying that there are genetic components to exercise expenditure, non-exerc who have the exact same environment, the exact same exercise habits, but different food reward predispositions, genetically speaking, and one will be much more likely to be obese. That isn't to say that you have genetics that confine you to be heavy or overweight, not to say that at all. You still have a ton of agency and autonomy to change your body weight if you're willing to change things about your behavior. But some people might have a harder time with that because of these genetic factors. So once you bring kids into the equation and
Starting point is 00:13:33 talking about can we treat kids with these drugs that help adults, things get a lot more sensitive. And one thing I'll say for sure is it does look like this drug would only be prescribed in adjunct to lifestyle and food behaviors that are proving to be implemented already and not fruitful. So it doesn't seem like people are going to be able to take their kids to the doctor, get this drug, not have them exercise. Seems like you got to be already working on those behaviors and them not working well enough. And then you have to be able to say, look, definitively, we know that if a kid's obese,
Starting point is 00:14:15 they're going to stay obese or be less likely to be able to lose body fat. They're more likely to stay obese as adults. So if we can get in front of this now and help them normalize their body weight now, we'll have a better chance of helping them live at what would be considered a more normative body weight and body composition in the long run. I don't necessarily think from a morality standpoint, these drugs being available for children is a bad thing as long as they're divvied out thoughtfully. But that's been something you guys have asked me about a lot. I think that it's important to have an opinion about things specifically in your niche. I don't think it's important to have an opinion about everything. I think a lot of people do. I
Starting point is 00:14:57 certainly have mine, but I don't share them all. We'll get to the housekeeping in a second before we dive into the more fitness specific questions. And you might catch some of my opinions on other things, but truthfully, this drug has been probably the single most, the number one DM that I got in the last week of January and first couple of days of February were about this drug, these drugs, the classification of these drugs, who's getting them, why people can't get their hands on them, should they be approved for kids, is obesity genetic. This is a big culture war thing right now, so you're hearing about it, and I wanted to give you my two cents. With that, I'll probably record an entirely separate podcast unpacking this. As I learn more about it, I'm inclined to try to learn
Starting point is 00:15:40 as much about this as possible because I do think it is very fascinating. I love to understand not just what it is that these drugs do. So the minute I learn enough to have a more thoughtful discussion and opinion, I will record a full podcast for you guys on just that. Speaking of things fitness specific and body composition specific, a lot of you guys take protein from our amazing sponsor Legion and Legion has buy one, get one 40% off on grass-fed whey protein isolate. And that is about as good of a deal as you are going to find. And you can still use the code Danny to rack up even more points. This is just buy one, get one 40% off by adding them to your cart. So you can go get hooked up fat for the year with what I believe
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Starting point is 00:17:04 less than the cost of a cup of coffee a month, exercise tutorials. Can't miss with both of those going live. Doing a little housekeeping. Politically speaking, it seems like we've started a new session of Congress. Democrats have control of the Senate. Republicans have control of the House. Gridlock likely to ensue there, as is typical when the government looks and kind of behaves the way it's been behaving. The classified document scandal thing is hilarious to me. It seems like the National Archivist might be the most powerful person in Washington. Finding documents in every single nook and cranny of everywhere they're looking in Joe Biden's many homes, obviously
Starting point is 00:17:43 the Trump thing with Mar-a-Lago's documentation. You could definitely look at some disparities there and how those two things were handled, but not entirely unsurprising because there's not exactly an equivalency there. The documents were refused to be returned by one party. And then, you know, oh my gosh, I found six documents in my house, you know, and then they find them in Mike Pence's home. I think they found them just about anywhere's home, anybody's house, but Barack Obama at this point, you know, they're finding, uh, you know, I think there's now been multiple former presidents who have these classified documents. So that's been kind of a funny, goofy scandal in politics.
Starting point is 00:18:17 And then with economics, I know a lot of you get your, uh, news pretty quickly from podcasts. So I figured I'd filter this through at the beginning of every month. Economics, Fed did have its lowest basis point hike here at 0.25%. That was about 40 minutes ago. And I thought that was interesting because there were four consecutive months of 75 basis point hikes to the federal rate, federal funds rate. What we're looking at when the Fed hikes inflation, or when the Fed is trying to fight inflation, it's going to hike the federal funds rate. They call these rate hikes. It's just raising the interest rate. And the reason I bring it up is there's a ton of economic disaster porn everywhere you look. Oh, recession, recession, everything's going down the shitter. It's going to be terrible. And I'm not here to tell you it could or it couldn't. This isn't
Starting point is 00:19:08 financial advice in any capacity. This is just my opinion. But we had four consecutive months of 75 basis point hikes, a month of 50 basis point hikes in December. And here in January, only a quarter of the basis points of 0.25. So we had 0.75 for a while, 0.5 for a month, now 0.25. So this might be indicative of the Fed backing off on the interest rate raises, which is generally a sign that they might think they have inflation under control. And I think a lot of people are concerned financially about inflation, and I don't necessarily blame them because it sucks. And nobody should have to deal with the inflationary pressures that we've had to deal
Starting point is 00:19:51 with both in the United States and globally. I shouldn't say nobody should. We're fortunate enough to live in the United States anyway, with a ton of economic security. but you know, it's been a pretty, uh, compressive and, uh, in, in, uh, let's call it inflamed tip time. So to see that come down, that's very encouraging. And the job market being hot with that, uh, lots of jobs, uh, available, a lot of tech layoffs. So maybe a reshuffling of the deck here, a little bit of a white collar recession. Uh, if you do work in tech, uh, I'm sorry. I know a number of people who followed me were laid off in these most recent tech layoffs. So wishing you all the best there. And I think that kind of does it for the housekeeping. I'll get into the Jake Paul
Starting point is 00:20:37 stuff last so we don't spend too much early time on pop culture here. But let's talk about glute growth. And this was inspired by a question from Katie Lipman. And she asked if I'm trying to grow my glutes is to glute focused sessions a week enough. Do I need more? And I think two glute focused sessions in the gym, meaning two sessions where you're going to go in and you're going to train your legs, but you're going to particularly look to train movements that hit the glutes within that leg day. So not just doing leg extensions and lying hamstring curls, you're going to go do some Romanian deadlifts, some hip thrusts, some squats, some lunges, some leg presses, uh, specifically biasing the glutes with the execution bias of like,
Starting point is 00:21:21 Hey, I want to hit my glutes. I'm thinking about my glutes. I'm trying to perform this exercise in a way that hits my glute more if it's something like a lunge or a squat, right? And what I've seen 10 years doing this and helping girls grow their glutes, right? Whether they're bigger girls, smaller girls, shorter girls, taller girls. I've helped a lot of girls build their glutes a lot of different ways. But the one thing that remains pretty true outside of the rep ranges we're using, the intensifiers that we might be adding or not adding, the movement selection based on the client is we're going to train glutes at least twice a week. I think three times a week is the sweet spot.
Starting point is 00:21:56 And I do have some opinions about how that third session should look. I do think you should do two hard sessions that are focused on progressive overload, mechanical tension, the accumulation of volume on big lifts that you progress over years think you should do two hard sessions that are focused on progressive overload, mechanical tension, the accumulation of volume on big lifts that you progress over years, the only way to build muscle period. But that third session, and this is something that I borrowed from Brett Contreras, who I think has done a fantastic job of helping women develop glutes over many, many years. And he's been doing this longer than I have, both in person and with his written work and a lot of the content he's created.
Starting point is 00:22:27 He believes in this concept of penalty-free volume. And this would be lower intensity volume, oftentimes done with bands, oftentimes done with body weight work, oftentimes just a third session that just has a lower penalty, meaning it's not as intense. And so while I don't believe in just doing a shit
Starting point is 00:22:45 ton of band work, I do think that can sometimes be inefficient. I do think it works well for, from women who have a particular sensitivity to metabolic pathways for hypertrophy, meaning like they just respond well to high reps and metabolite accumulation. They tend to grow well from that. Um, you know, I think a third session, two really hard sessions, and then a third session where you have some glute volume, that's not as intense and maybe not as much axial loading. So things like lighter weight, hip thrust, a little bit of band work, some lunging and deep lengthened positions for the glutes, step-ups that aren't necessarily loaded, lots of shortened position work like back extension work, having a day there when you have two other days that are really heavy and really progressive
Starting point is 00:23:33 and focused on being closer to failure can be awesome. So I'd say two to three is definitely the sweet spot. If you can do two and not three, definitely do two hard progressive ones. If you can do something closer to three, definitely do two hard progressive ones. If you can do something closer to three, um, I definitely keep that third day a little lighter. And if you're trying to do something where you're, you know, maybe doing it every day and micro dosing it, a lot of people are into that right now. I, I've, I've never really deployed this tactic, but I'm not going to say it wouldn't work. Uh, I definitely would do more metabolite and band work. If you're looking to add
Starting point is 00:24:05 additional sessions, stuff that won't really have the opportunity to develop a lot of crossover fatigue. Okay. This question, is cryotherapy as good as cold plunges from Lexi Marchar? And again, these are all from Instagram. So if you guys want to have your question featured on the podcast, or you want to kind of be the catalyst for discussion here on the podcast, you want to hear me talk about something, this is a great way to do it. I think this just generally opens up a discussion about cold water immersion, cold temperatures, hypertrophy, and more. So is cryotherapy as good as a cold plunge? Let's start there. The answer is actually pretty simple. I don't think it is. I think it's a lot more cost prohibitive, right? There are many low to
Starting point is 00:24:56 zero cost options for ice bathing. I like a premium option. I like the ice barrel because it stays colder a lot longer. It's more practical. It looks really, really good. It's super easy to clean. I can jump in there whenever the hell I want, never having to worry about filling up the water. I did like trash can ice baths. I did bath, bathtub ice baths. That shit sucks. It sucks. Every time you get in the ice tub, ice bath, you freaking overflow it and it rolls out into your damn house. And then you have to drain it and refill it. And it's super inefficient. The trash can thing is kind of gross. And if you buy one just for that, they bend insanely easy. They don't hold up really well at all in the heat. They leach a shit ton of
Starting point is 00:25:33 microplastics because it's like super low quality plastic. So ice barrel works for me as like the best low cost option for cold water immersion. You get the barrel, you fill it with ice water. It stays cold for a long ass time. You replace it maybe once a month, clean it pretty good with a sponge inside out. You don't need to use detergent or soap. And honestly, if you live anywhere where it gets cold at night and you need water below only about 60 degrees to start to get these effects, you can just keep it full and dip in whenever the hell you want. I do it all the time to just kind of rejuvenate myself, but I don't do it for long periods of time. Okay. We'll get to that in a second. But a cold water immersion has been shown in at least one study that I've mentioned before
Starting point is 00:26:13 on the podcast. I'm going to try to find it in my notes right now to be more effective than cryotherapy. So cryotherapy is usually something that you'll have to buy access to like a specialty gym slash gym spa to really have access to. And a lot of those memberships get steep. I know people who are paying multiple hundred dollars a month to do cryotherapy. And I don't think cryotherapy is ineffective. I'm not going to say that it doesn't work. metrics like recovery of muscle tissue and reduction in muscle inflammation, as far as I'm aware and based on the most recent research that I have seen, I'm of the school of thought that not only does cold water immersion work better, and not only does cold water immersion appear to be more cost effective, I also just think more generally, it's so much more practical to do it at your house really, really quickly than it is to go somewhere. And the number one thing with all of these, uh, you know, health promoting behaviors, analogs, whatever you'd like to call it, right?
Starting point is 00:27:27 You got to actually do them. So if there's too much friction in the way, you're not going to do it. And if you have to get up and go somewhere, it's going to be a pain in the ass. Like people say that about the gym all the time. And you might be in the habit of going to the gym, but you're definitely not in the habit of driving to the cryotherapy spot. So doing your cold water immersion at home, I think is going to be really, really effective for driving the same effects, probably more effective. That study I mentioned is from Abadie, Lamblin, and Delacroix. It's recovery from exercise-induced muscle damage, cold water immersion or cold plunges versus whole body cryotherapy. The study is from the, you can find it in the
Starting point is 00:28:06 international journal of sports physiology and performance. It was published in March of 2017. And the results showed that a, there's a moderate effect in favor of cold water immersion. Okay. Compared to cryotherapy soreness was lower 48 hours after exercise. The soreness was lower in the cold water immersion group and the perception of recovery, meaning how you felt was actually better in the cold water immersion group. Okay. So we know cold water immersion demonstrates lower soreness and higher perceived recovery two days after exercise. They looked at two intervals specifically, 24 hours after exercise as an interval and 48 hours after exercise.
Starting point is 00:28:54 And cold water immersion outperformed cryotherapy in both. So for me, it's a no-brainer. What about for building, and that's for exercise recovery, feeling like you're not super sore all the time, helping your muscles deal with excessive inflammation. This can be very valuable if you're new to exercise and looking to recover. We'll talk again, like I said, in a second about dosing this and whether or not it's going to kill your gains because that's a question I get all the time. What's going on, guys? Coach Danny here, taking a break from the episode to tell you about my coaching company, Core Coaching Method, and more specifically, our one-on-one fully tailored online coaching program.
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Starting point is 00:34:45 system, but not caffeine. I like to give my brain about 90 minutes to boot the adenosine out the, uh, compound that essentially accumulates over the day and makes you fatigued coffee, uh, tea compounds that contain caffeine that we drink in the morning that, Oh, I need to have my coffee, need to have my, my tea. Um, caffeine. Caffeine binds to the adenosine receptor. And so, you know, if your adenosine receptors are open and kind of receptive, you know, obviously, they would have a greater affinity for that caffeine. But with the first 90 minutes of being awake,
Starting point is 00:35:17 you're not going to have a lot of open receptors. That adenosine is still kind of bound there. Movement, exercise will kick it out. So my assumption, and this is a Twitter exchange I actually had with Andrew Huberman, I think he responded to a tweet of mine specifically about this, was if you wake up early and train, caffeine right away is probably going to have a greater effect because training is going to boot adenosine out. So some days I have caffeine immediately upon waking. Most days I don't. So I train without caffeine early. Well, later in the day I have caffeine because my adenosine receptors are open about 90 minutes after, but I don't want
Starting point is 00:35:54 to have caffeine all day long. So what do I do? Well, anytime after 12 that I feel like I need a little bit of caffeine or I need a little bit of a boost. And I love doing this. Fortunately for me, I get the opportunity to do this. I jump in my ice barrel and I totally, totally, totally feel a huge lift, a huge boost with 30, 60, 90 seconds in the ice barrel. And I think if you want to maximize your muscle growth, doing 30, 60, 90 minutes a few times a week in the ice barrel is not going to hurt you. I haven't noticed any reduction in muscle size since I've been doing the ice barrel regularly. And I've been doing it for quite a while now, multiple months. So I haven't noticed any reduction in my gains. If anything, my body composition is better. My recovery is better.
Starting point is 00:36:42 I put ice in there. So I drive the temperature down pretty low, but the longest I can be in there, the longest I can be in there has like three minutes. And I wouldn't do three minutes, like five days a week. I think once you get over like 10 minutes, uh, weekly, you're starting to push it. And that's kind of how I look at this stuff. I look at sauna the same way. I like sauna to be about an hour a week and I like my cold exposure to be sub 10 minutes a week. Anything beyond that, I think you're starting to reach diminishing marginal returns. Now you could do more cold exposure longer if you're not worried about muscle growth. If you're worried about just cultivating mental toughness and optimally recovering and not being sore, I bet you could do five minute sessions every day. No problem. No problem. But if you want to optimize for muscle growth, optimize, maximize it, I wouldn't do more than 10 to 12 minutes a week. Totally arbitrary figure,
Starting point is 00:37:35 not pulling any studies or literature to back that up. I do believe I've heard a number of things specific to that timeframe that I'm probably regurgitating here, but I can't say definitively, but I keep it a little bit lower. And then again, if you want to do a long session, you can do one long session. You want to do a couple of short sessions. You can do a couple short sessions. Another really great point to make here before we pivot, never seen a big dude in the NFL jacked to shit. Genetically could also be using steroids. Never seen a big dude that does lots of ice baths actually lose gains. I think a lot of that fear might be overblown. And I know so many Jack dudes who ice bath pretty regularly and they don't look to be any smaller or any show any signs of reduced hypertrophy. So while I do think you can see it in a more acute setting
Starting point is 00:38:21 when it's been studied, uh, I don't know to what degree hypertrophy is blunted writ large. So I wouldn't be super duper stressed about adding in ice baths. Okay. Next kind of pivot here is discussing breath work. This was inspired by a question from SimRans underscore over on Instagram. The question is what are the best ways to improve breath work? So just like the best way to get better at lifting is to lift. And the best way to get better at golf is to go to the driving range and hit the golf ball. The best way to get better at the breath work and the ways to improve your breath work are through doing breath work. A very popular book, Breathe by James Nestor, really just blasted and put breath work onto the scene.
Starting point is 00:39:06 James Nestor really just blasted and put breathwork onto the scene. A lot of, another mention for Huberman today, but a lot of people in the mindfulness space like Sam Harris or anybody who's big into meditation like Jay Shetty, people who are big into the nervous system like Andrew Huberman, these are huge influencers in the health and fitness space and the health and wellness and productivity and personal development space. Huge audiences, huge reach people that just the three of them have influenced probably millions of people to consider breath work and mindfulness. So breath works really big right now. And I think that breath work specifically can be beneficial for automating the nervous system or having more control over your nervous system. Being able to basically flip a switch and say, I'd like to use breath work to help myself relax by focusing on big, deep nasal breaths,
Starting point is 00:39:51 where I get a lot of rib cage expansion. You know, I'm not, I'm breathing into my stomach. You know, these tips that you see people talk about, I'm going to do a box breathing protocol. I'm going to do a, you know, put my hands on my stomach, try to belly breathe. These are breath work goals, breath work tactics that essentially help you shift your nervous system from being either at baseline or in a sympathetic or aroused state to a parasympathetic or more relaxed state. And a lot of people do this because they're anxious because they want to perform better. They want to find flow. And I think there's a lot, a lot here. It's not one of those things where I'm like, Oh, there's no, they're there. It's just, it's just a bunch of bullshit. It's a big nothing burger, like alkaline water, for example,
Starting point is 00:40:37 the health fad that is just stupid breath work as a, as a quote unquote health ad is, is very, very exciting. It has a lot of what I believe to be unique promise and potential. So I would definitely, definitely encourage you to look into Breathwork. I'm certainly no expert on it. I think the best way to start, and you can do this if you're listening in the car right now, is with simple box breathing. Try to do this for two to five minutes consecutively while you focus on the road. But I'll guide you through it here. If you're walking and listening to me with the dog while you hug the dog, I know a lot of you do that. You can do that. You can do this, but essentially a nasal breath in
Starting point is 00:41:16 a controlled pause and hold of that breath deep in the belly if you can, followed by a slow exhale through pursed lips for four seconds at each interval. So four of these would make a box. So a four second inhale, a four second hold, a four second pause, and then a four second pause. Okay. So four seconds in through the nose, four seconds, hold in the belly, four seconds out through the nostril, four seconds together before repeating is a typical way box breathing is done. And you can do that, like I said, for two to five minutes consecutively. I'm not going to guide you through a meditation. This isn't bad podcast. And I think you'll notice a small increase in your
Starting point is 00:42:07 subjective relaxation. And this would be of course, you know, getting into a more parasympathetic state. There's so many more advanced techniques than that. And I just don't know enough about them. But if you are interested in managing your anxiety, having better control over your nervous system, I would definitely look into breath work. There's a lot of there there. Okay. Last thing to talk about today is Logan Paul's energy drink. This is prime. This question was inspired by Polo Greco over on Instagram question was what's up with Logan Paul's energy drink prime. Is it a good option for hydration? So this is marketed as it it is the official sports drink of the UFC. So that's a pretty big deal.
Starting point is 00:42:49 There's two products that they sell. They sell Prime Energy, which appears to be an energy drink, and they sell Prime Hydration. Okay, so Prime Energy drink comes in a can, comes in lemon, lime, orange, mango, blue raspberry, tropical punch, strawberry, watermelon. It is backed by one of the biggest influencers.
Starting point is 00:43:04 So this is gonna get into your hands, your stores, your kids' hands. You're going to see this. So prime energy drink contains zero sugar in a mark. It's marketed as vegan. It does have 300 milligrams of electrolytes, which is not terrible. And as 200 milligrams of caffeine, which is pretty high. So that's prime energy drink. What about prime hydration? So prime's hydration drink, which I think would be more of a Gatorade competitor, whereas the prime energy drink would be more of an energy drink competitor, markets itself as having 10% coconut water, BCAAs for muscle recovery, B vitamins, electrolytes, and antioxidants. But how much of these things are we getting? That tends to be the important question when we do a cost-benefit analysis and we look at,
Starting point is 00:43:55 should I buy this product or should I buy a competitor's product? So prime, hydration, the energy drink appears to be more straightforward. I think that's on par with a monster energy drink or a bang energy drink, a little less caffeine than a bang, but a look at the fruit punch because it's the most basic flavor, the tropical punch, uh, 25 calories. Okay. 25 calories in the energy drink filtered waters. The number one ingredient contains citric acid. That's where they're getting the vitamin C coconut water from concentrate. That's again, 10% of the product's total volume as they market it. Dipotassium phosphate, tri-magnesium citrate, natural flavor vegetable used for color, sucralose. There we go. Leucine, isoleucine, valine, beta
Starting point is 00:44:35 carotene, blah, blah, blah. Okay. So how many BCAAs are in this product? That's my first question. All right. Looking at this, we've got 250 milligrams. So that's actually not a lot guys. Uh, that's a tiny amount, uh, to put it in perspective, like BCAAs are typically sold in like 2.5 to five gram servings by supplement manufacturers. Um, so that's 250 milligrams in here. That's 2,500 milligrams to get to 2.5 grams. So this is 0.25 grams. So this is a completely, I don't want to say completely, but pretty insignificant amount of BCAAs, particularly leucine. Leucine is like, you need about three grams to maximize muscle protein synthesis, if I remember correctly. So marketing this as having BCAAs to promote muscle growth, in my opinion, would be a little bit disingenuous. But if we say that there's BCAAs
Starting point is 00:45:37 for just shits and gigs, that's probably cool. It's not enough to toot my horn, but it's not bad that they're in there. Looks like it has a pretty heavy dosage of B vitamins. I do like that it contains 835 milligrams of electrolytes. So that's pretty good. We get almost a gram of electrolytes, not a ton of sodium. Here, looking at the label, only 10 milligrams of sodium. So you're getting some from that dipotassium phosphate and the trimagnesium citrate. Those are your electrolytes. But I don't think they're the best kind. I'd rather do LMNT, but props to Logan Paul for getting that on here. I'm not a Logan Paul fan boy by any means. I just, I thought it was pretty interesting that he came out with an energy drink that contains electrolytes, B vitamins, antioxidants, coconut water, and BCAAs. I was like, Oh, Hey,
Starting point is 00:46:29 you know, only 20 calories. If I were a parent, I would definitely rather give this to my kid than Gatorade. Uh, just based on looking at it, especially the full sugar Gatorades, I'd rather rock with, with something like this. Now, I know many of you are big on the artificial sweetener thing. You want to be aware, is there artificial sweeteners in this? It does have Ace K. So look into that. Just do your research there. If you're not an artificial sweetener person, this product's probably not for you. All right, guys, that does it for this episode of the Dynamic Dialogue Podcast. If you liked this episode specifically, send me a DM. I've been wanting to start each month with kind of a housekeeping, more free form episode where I just chat with you guys,
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