Dynamic Dialogue with Danny Matranga - 34 - Mike Guevara: Training The NBA's Best, Creativity, Collagen + More

Episode Date: May 22, 2020

In this episode, we sit down with Mike Guevara, or "Coach Mike G" as he is also known.Coach Mike is the man behind some of the NBA's best players like Lakers forward Anthony Davis, and Pelicans guard, Jrue Holiday.Mike is incredibly creative and insightful as a coach and trainer and he shares those insights with us today!Be sure to follow mike on INSTAGRAM HERE!Support the Show.

Guys, welcome into the podcast. Today, I'm sitting down with coach Mike G. Mike Guevara. He's one of the NBA's premier sports performance specialists and coaches. He works with the likes of Drew Holiday and Anthony Davis, and we're talking about a variety of different sports performance things that I think you'll be able to take with you and implement in your training for years to come. So sit down, enjoy the conversation today with Coach Mike G. So Mike, how's it going, man? Everything is everything. I'm in New Orleans right now with my wife and my dog daughter. You know what I mean? And we're just making the best out of a really unfortunate situation. So life is good.

Yeah, it's certainly been unique. Has this been affecting your coaching or even your own fitness? Or are you pretty able to kind of get creative and make it work? Yeah, you know, it's actually given me an opportunity to reinvent myself in terms of how I train myself and, you know, think outside the box. Obviously, not having access to gyms has reduced our training environment to what we have outside, as well as the few tools that we have, Viper, Kettlebell, and a jump rope, and BFR cuffs. So that's been kind of cool just thinking outside the box and trying to reinvent new ways to do the same thing. Yeah, I think that's actually a perfect segue into the first question I have for you. And I don't remember how long I've been following you or when I started, but

the first thing that jumped out at me was your creativity. And you have a lot of education in the strength and conditioning space. But as far as creativity goes, there's like a few guys who I go, that dude gets it on a level that he's not just an expert, but he's also inventive. And that's pretty rare. And, you know, for a lot of the coaches or even just fitness enthusiasts listening, how do you develop creativity in a space that's like monkey see, monkey do, follow the textbook? Like, what was that like for you? And how do you continue to develop that? I think that as long as you remain open mindedminded and you're able to receive inspiration from all areas. And I, and I've always, you know, walk that way and talk

that way in, in every sense of, you know, trying to be creative, whether that's within strength or coaching strength conditioning or coaching in general but um just i've always kind of looked at at coaches funny when they when they were so sure that they were able to get a specific result doing one thing i've always like looked at people sideways when they would always be so convinced that this is the only way to train speed or this is the only way to develop a basketball player or what have you. that go into a physiological adaptation that as long as you keep your eyes open and remain open-minded and also have science to back up what you're saying and doing, there are, you know, many ways to skin the cat as the adage says. Yeah, I'm big on that. And it shows in how you coach, it shows in the content you create. And I think that when you really understand

something, or at least when you've put it into practice enough, that's where the creativity really starts to show. And that's something that I've always admired about you professionally. But that's also a nice segue too, because I know that like most coaches, you probably started as an athlete and now you're training some of the best athletes in the NBA. I don't like to name drop, but if anybody's seen your content, they know that you train Drew Holiday and Anthony Davis, to name a few, some of the biggest names in the entire sport. And guys who, as long as I've been watching, have maintained an injury-free, really productive career. So how did you get from wherever the hell it was you started with athletics

to where you are now managing and training some of the best players in the league? Yeah, I mean, like you said, we as strength coaches or performance coaches and what have you always usually developed the affinity towards human development through our own experiences in sport right and I think that mine just like many others was a career that was somewhat successful you know it got me through college but it stopped there I didn't enjoy playing at the professional level I played American football I say American because for the international listeners that, you know, we're talking about soccer, we're talking about American football, but that kind of curtailed itself after my senior year at Ferris State University, which is a

small school in Michigan. And because I had such a passion for the game and excelling at the game, I had such a passion for the game and excelling at the game. It naturally segued into the natural passion that I have for the weight room. Yeah. And to develop myself and to get myself in the best shape possible. Once I figured out I couldn't play for a living, I figured, hey, why not help other people achieve their dreams of playing professionally in their sports? So that was the birth of my career in this field. Yeah.

And what did your education background look like? Did you just know from the jump, like as you were going through your kind of undergraduate stuff that I want to do a curriculum while I'm a student athlete that coincides with strength and conditioning? Did you go back for that? And then have you had any informal education experiences that have kind of helped you get to where you're at? So I've always known I wanted to do something with physical therapy or strength. I graduated with my bachelor's of science in exercise science kinesiology in 2007. Back in that, maybe when I was picking majors in 03, there really wasn't a strength and conditioning track, so to speak, when I was choosing. There was kinesiology, but it was pedagogy, exercise science, and then athletic training. So I was like, okay, exercise science sounds good.

This is the track that most people take before physical therapy school. Physical therapy sounds close to strength and conditioning. That makes sense to me. But what I failed to realize early was that that required heavy math and sciences. early was that that required heavy math and sciences. Believe it or not, I did not excel in calculus and organic chemistry and those things. So immediately I shifted gears into, all right, I don't want to go to PT school anymore. You know, that, that, that probably doesn't make sense for me from a student standpoint let me let me see what this strength and conditioning stuff is about so I stayed on the exercise science track got my degree in that and then that kind of

led me into I wouldn't say informal forms of education but more or less just self-education type stuff where you go to seminars and you go to conferences and you go to get all these different types of certs that may or may not be of interest to you but you know you can grab and take and pick and choose what you love and what you don't love and once I caught the bug of interest like I wanted to learn everything I feel like everyone goes through that and they want to learn and pick up everything that they can and that they can afford because that stuff gets really pricey. But that's kind of the, I would say, traditional path that I took to further my educational foundation. Yeah, and I think you hit on something big, which is those workshops, those extended education experiences, whether it's certification, seminars, they are pricey.

Sometimes they're a time investment. But if you can grab even just one nugget from one of those things and pull that thing out of your back pocket when you most need it, it's invaluable. And so some stuff we use more than others, but it all goes into that arsenal of stuff that you may or may not have to use at one point. goes into that arsenal of stuff that you may or may not have to use at one point. And I think that it's, it's, it's good to kind of point out your creativity and how all this stuff comes together and the way you train guys is particularly unique and you use a lot of unique modalities and equipment and, and just technique in general. Are there things that you've kind of been gravitating towards lately that are exciting to you that are in that realm of kind of that creative space? One of the tools that I recently been raving about is the use of BFR as blood flow restriction as not just a rehab protocol, but also a performance protocol and recovery protocol.

but also a performance protocol and recovery protocol. And I was able to attend a smart tools BFR course in New York in September and absolutely fell in love with the application as it applies to my clientele, who is NBA basketball players, NBA basketball players at that. Which is so interesting because when people think of BFR, they usually think of two camps. They think of either your full-blown rehabilitation or your just maximum bodybuilder trying to eke every possible avenue out of hypertrophy. So I think that's super interesting. You think there's a lot of application there for your athletes? Absolutely. And I think that more and more people are starting to jump on the gravy train as we speak. Like I'm seeing more and more people use them outside of both of those two realms, as you just described perfectly.

how beneficial the cuffs can be, especially during quarantine where facilities and resources aren't as available. Now it's like, okay, how can we still create this type of stimulus, this endocrine response where we get some type of hormonal response without the application of heavy loads, oh, I got these cuffs that a lot of people are talking about. And if I can create the same type of stimulus and trick the brain into releasing some type of HGH or IGF-1, now I'm still able to maintain a lot of muscle mass or create muscle mass that is super very important out in the current circumstances as the people that I work with, NBA basketball players, are in this limbo of how do I train? What am I training for? When are we going back? Are we going back? So it's a really great tool to have that fits that need that my people are looking for and

need to take advantage of. I love that. What are some other things that you are doing with these guys during this time? Because I'm sure that you're at least overseeing some of what they're doing, even if you can't work with them one-to-one because you don't want to transmit anything and you don't want to do all that because I keep coming back to this this idea that if I can grab things from you for the audience that you're doing with these guys it's definitely good enough for them and I just love to hear where you're at with it speaking specifically to what I'm doing with the guys that I work with now, I only work with two families. And I say families because it's the husband and wife of said family.

So everyone knows I work with Drew Holiday and Mrs. Holiday, who is Lauren Holiday, who, if they don't know, is probably a better athlete than Drew, world cup champion for the U S national team soccer. Oh, wow. Yeah. That's awesome.

So she trains as well. And we have resorted to being outside on a football field where, as you know, as I just stated, we, I played football, I played receiver and we did a lot of receiver drills, a lot of cone drills.

And the reason why I thought it was a pretty cool way to shift gears was, A, Drew was specifically unmotivated to touch an orange round ball, basketball, if you will. to touch an orange round ball, basketball, if you will, because you have to put yourself in his shoes from the sense of he's literally hitting a great rhythm, if you guys follow. He was averaging the most points on his team since the All-Star break, feeling super healthy, actually starting to peak physically as we would like to towards this part of the, you know, latter end of the season. And then boom, all of a sudden stop sign, like everything is over. So you talk about momentum and air out of the sails, completely

left, totally. If late in and out of disuse, you see what I'm saying so yeah it did something to his mental motivation to play ball especially when you don't know when things are supposed to come back yeah so he he was like i don't want to go to a report i don't want to play basketball i don't want to touch a basketball what what else can we do yeah mind you no gym you know no weights no nothing so i gym, you know, no weights, no nothing. So I'm like, you know what? The next best thing is the football field. You know, I can recreate different basketball movements with cone drills, with different cutting drills, footwork drills. And it applied to basketball in a way for him to not necessarily think it was basketball, but it's still related to basketball based off of the cutting maneuvers,

based off of the force applications, but took his mind into a whole nother space. Yeah. So it was able to stimulate him mentally and he got really excited to do it. And we were doing that two, three times a week. Not to mention for those of y'all who don't know like sprinting at full speed and cutting stopping on a dime at full speed that is a major stimuli for the neural system the nervous system for the muscular system the fascial system so we were getting a lot out of it based off of just stepping outside the box yeah you know so i'm able to create Euro step drills by running different type of slant routes, catch the ball, raise up, you know, like just do all types of different weird

stuff that if any football player were watching would be like, what the heck are they doing? But it made sense to him. And he was like, man, now I can apply this to the court when I go back to the court. So for us, mainly, it was just getting on the football field and doing route running as it applied to basketball. Yeah, I love that. And I think a lot of people will resonate with that because we're all kind of in this weird limbo where we probably can't train exactly how we want to. And we might not even be motivated enough to do the things that

we have access to. So we need to get creative. We need to get outside of the box. We need to find ways to move that are actually exciting and engaging so we can put that effort into it. And I think that that's something that a lot of people at home are probably like, yeah, I was at the gym and all of a sudden I went from the bench press having to do pushups and I just don't want to do pushups. So we actually went out and ran routes the other day and it's just you know it's something fun and for those of you who are at home to just kind of highlight what Mike said about how difficult or at least how much of an impact sprinting puts on your body if you haven't run a route on somebody you just just go run like five routes and then defend five routes.

And you probably won't be able to walk for a couple days. Your glutes, hamstrings, lats, triceps, core, all that stuff you use when you sprint. And if you're just pounding the pavement or hitting some weights, you ain't going to get the same stimulus you're going to get out of sprinting. So when in doubt, you can always, you know, go back to the basics and try to find fun modalities of human movement that are stimulating and engaging. Just to add to that, I just wanted to mention that if you can create the mental motivation and whatever it is that you're trying to do, the results will be there. As long as you're motivated to do said activity and it's fun and it's engaging, good things are going to happen.

And that's the key. And that was exactly what happened with Drew is he was so mentally motivated to go out and play ball and do these routes and do these cone drills that we got something out of it. And then we just started to add on to it and it just kind of blossomed. Yeah. And engagement and enjoyment certainly lend themselves nice to putting forward the effort you'd need to, to be successful. It's actually a good segue to the next question, which is having trained so many of these guys in so many different situations, what is something that you as a

coach have picked up from watching how they've responded to this, or at least something you've learned over the years watching how these guys at the highest level do it? Say the question again? Yeah, what's something that you've picked up watching these guys at the highest level in athletics that has really helped you in your craft as a coach so that's immense amounts of different ways to communicate to different types of athletes you know working in the nba you have to understand that this is a culture that's not prone or has evolved yet because it's coming along to a strength and conditioning type culture you know we come from I come from a football background so this is a part of the culture

yeah lifting weights and playing football are hand in hand and there's nothing um head-scratching about that to anybody some football players kind of go all in like I did and some football players just kind of get it done and check the box but regardless we never complained about it yeah we did it but Hoopers is completely different you know you got guys it's it's all cultural and it relates to the developing lifespan of a basketball player you know you look at when they start five six seven eight years old whatever not one time for the most part throughout the entire career until maybe their first year of college and or first year of pro ball do they look at a weight do they even step foot in a weight room again it's slowly changing and adapting people are starting to realize especially after this Michael Jordan documentary

how important it was for him to get strong against the bad boy Pistons but even back then it was still like frowned upon like aren't you going to mess your shot up if you're putting up all these weights clearly that's not the case right right? So that being said, as I had my first year with the Pelicans, you know, two years ago, you have to create a bond with someone first and foremost, before you can ever get someone who don't even believe in the weight room in the first place to listen to what you have to say. And I think that to answer your question, the biggest thing that I've come, that I've taken from working with these athletes is that it's all about a relationship. It's all about communication and it's all about

creating almost like a friendship to the point to where they trust you. Yeah. Because once they trust you, they comply and they listen. And then, you know, they may not jump all the way in with you, but at least stick the foot in, you know what I mean? Stick the toe in the water and be like, all right, maybe it's not too cold, so to speak. Yeah. And through proper channels of communication and proper ways of just getting to know someone, that's how you create that compliance. And then that's how you create the dialogue and conversation of this is why this is important.

Oh, it's important because it's going to help me do this? Yes. Now you see why we should do it. Okay. Sounds good. it okay sounds good so i would say that just creating relationship and bond between a coach and athlete is is by far one of the most important things i've learned working at this level because remember these guys don't have to listen to you no they run the league you know like they're guaranteed their their contracts are guaranteed i'm the one that's not guaranteed. So I need to make sure that, you know, I do my job by less force and more communication. If you're finding value, it would mean the world to me if you would share it on your social media.

Simply screenshot whatever platform you're listening to and share the episode to your Instagram story or share it to Facebook. But be sure to tag me so I can say thanks and we can chat it up about what you liked and how I can continue to improve. Thanks so much for supporting the podcast and enjoy the rest of the episode. I love that. One of my favorite quotes is people don't care how much you know until they know how much you care. And I think that that's just an encapsulation of that quote and you're putting it into practice because you're right. These guys don't have to listen to you. And one of the hardest parts about coaching at any level, whether you're just training Mary Muffintop at 24 Hour Fitness, trying to get her to lose weight, or you're training an NBA player. You need buy-in or at least enough being on the same page to get things done in a

cordial manner. And I think that that's something you do really, really well. To pivot kind of out of the mindset space back towards training, something you talk about a lot is tissue tolerance. And I think that's really, really important. A lot of people who are listening are probably like, what the heck is tissue tolerance? Can you talk a little bit about what is tissue tolerance and then how you go about increasing that with your athletes? boils down to what are the force demands movement demands uh energy system demands of the given sport that you're or of the given sport of the athlete that you're working with so obviously for instance in my case basketball okay so now it's like what positions am i working with it seems as though one through five five through one need to have a similar skill set these days.

You know, it's obviously not the case as it was back then when MJ and them were playing. One through five pretty much needs to be able to run, jump, handle the ball, shoot, defend, everything. Like a lot of switching, you know, less physical game, right? Yeah. But lots of movement. So as a kinesiologist, we need to be able to create an analysis of all those different types of demands so that we understand exactly what type of imposed stressors are we doing or giving our athletes in the weight room. Because if we're able to systematically create a strategy to apply specific tissue demands, which match the demands of the game, now we're able to keep the athlete's tissue healthy, given that we're able to apply the specific loads on said tissues systematically.

So that was a lot. Let me just break it down. Simply put, if basketball players are required to absorb lots of force, we're not going to even be super research lab at all. We're just going to say lots of force in the knees. We all know that. Hoopers need to be able to absorb lots of force in the knees because it's a quad dominant sport. Look at the positions. Look at the levers. You got guys that are average 6'4 to 7'2 playing upright, lots of knee flexion, lots of jumping, X, Y, Z. reflection lots of jumping xyz that means that the quadriceps tendon as well as the patellar tendon needs to be robust enough to experience those loads every other day if you will yeah

depending on minute usage and whatnot so what does that mean? Tissue tolerance. That means that how do I create a strategy for this basketball player in the weight room to be able to absorb those types of forces in those areas of the body? and can we develop that strategy in the weight room so that it could lend itself a advantageous situation on the court yeah and there are different ways we can do that in the weight room right so if we're looking at the patellar tendon and the quad tendon we know through science that isometric holds are a very very effective way to create that type of tissue tolerance in tendon. So what type of isos are we looking at? We're looking at split squat iso holds. We're looking at sissy squat iso holds. We are looking at wall sits. We're looking at even the seated leg extension iso holds. All these different types of exercises are going to be effective strategies on creating a tissue tolerance for that area of the body, building robustness in those tendons below and

above the kneecap, which is going to lend itself an advantageous physiological environment within those players' bodies so that they're able to withstand that force on the court playing the game. I love that. I think those are things that people don't really consider when they think about what's the difference between how you would train an NBA player, basketball player, football player from a regular person. So I think you put that in a way that everybody can really understand, and you're diving past the level of just the contractile tissue, the muscle tissue, and we're looking at really that soft tissue. Because if you're going to get injured and you're going to miss a season, it's usually soft tissue related, right? It's usually not a strain. You know, you get a quad strain, you miss a couple weeks, but if something

happens to one of those tendons or ligaments, that's when you're really in trouble. So within that, what are some lifestyle and recovery practices you implement with the folks that you're working with off the court, off the field to help them maximize their recovery so that they're ready to train and perform? I forget and I'm doing a disservice to the field by not knowing his name, but he's actually close to you. UC Davis professor within that research area proved that consuming 20 grams of collagen with vitamin C an hour before a load to the soft tissue, which is going to be through isometrics, some type of jumping load. There are many ways to load the tendons has proven that the collagen actually goes straight to the area of being stressed and reinforces the collagen matrix. If you got to put that in your show notes and I, and I am terrible for not remembering his name, but anyway, I'm familiar with that research. I actually am familiar with the research because

for a long time, like from a muscle building perspective, collagen is a little bit low in some of the amino acids that you might want for building muscle. So a lot of people are like, ah, it doesn't have any utility, but it particularly lends itself well to soft tissue development. And I remember that that was the combination of undenatured type 2 collagen and vitamin C. I remember. 20 grams of undenatured collagen, vitamin C. He jumped rope his guys for 10 minutes, and there was a massive influx in collagenase within the Achilles tendon. Nice.

Which is the enzyme that breaks down collagen and then you rebuild it back up stronger. Yeah. So if you're looking at tendon tolerance, this as a recovery modality is something that's huge. So, you know, as soon as I read that research and I saw it repeated over and over again and like good things were happening, I was like, OK, there's something to this. There's validation to this. This was last summer. Immediately I addressed the guys like before you guys come to train every day, I need orange juice and collagen. So that's just like a simple, very applicable strategy that everyone, including your listeners, can do before they train.

And that will easily lend itself to bulletproofing, if you will, against tendon type issues. So that's something that we do. I love that. Are there any lifestyle things that you see with those athletes at the highest level related to their sleep and their stress that you see with those athletes at the highest level related to like their sleep and their stress that you have to work with them on to make sure that they're recovering? Well, we believe that the lowest hanging fruit, it's the cheapest, it's actually free. And the most effective tenfold recovery tool is sleep. I believe that wholeheartedly. So if like guys are asking or girls in the comment section, like what's the best recovery tool out there? You know, are they Norma type boots or is it the Theragun? The Theragun just dropped a new model. Like what is it? And it's like, all those things are amazing. And I love the technology and science

and where we're going with that in our field. But if you're not sleeping, not necessarily a lot, but getting quality sleep, and you're not able to get into deep sleep and get quality REM sleep, 20 to 30% deep sleep, up to 18% REM sleep. And, you know, between six to eight hours, depending on, you know, how much sleep that you actually need, everyone's different. All of those other things are irrelevant. It doesn't matter. Like that, all that stuff doesn't matter. If you don't retrieve the low hanging fruit first,

everything else is kind of just a waste of money or waste of time so the sleep environment sleep hygiene you know cool temperatures have you ever heard of oolong or excuse me not oolong ooler o-o-l-e-r or or the chili pad yeah yes i have i'm not uh i don't endorse them i'm not connected to them at all, but we have one. It is life changing. It makes the bed so, okay, here's an easy way to put it. You know how when you first get into the bed and it feels amazing because it's like nice and cool. Yes.

And it's so comfortable and it's like refreshing. It's like that all night. So from a sleep standpoint they say that you know make your sleep environment look like a cave super dark you know somewhat cold quiet etc the the chili pad is definitely something that will help with that temperature that climate component and I think that that's first and foremost, one of the main considerations and things that I talk about with people is sleep. How are you sleeping? Naps. Are you taking naps? Naps are good. Naps don't mean you're weak. Naps don't mean, you know, that you're not mentally

tough. Naps are very, very important. And if we're not hitting those buckets, then everything else kind of doesn't matter. No, I like that. And I think it's important for people to hear that from someone like yourself who has access to all of the highest level modalities and recovery. And if you're not picking a low hanging fruit, you're kind of wasting your time and your money because there are a lot of people in the space that want that supplement, that piece of tech, that one thing that they're like, man, you know, I don't, cause getting the amount of sleep you need to be successful as an

athlete requires making some sacrifices. They might go, nah, dude, I'd rather stay up late and play 2k and then wake up and take the new pre-workout. What's the best pre-workout? No, no, no. If you want to be great as an athlete, as a lifter, as a Mary Muffin top who just pounds the pavement, whatever it is, you need to get your sleep. I love that. That's simple. So with some of the training modalities that you do, we've talked on it. They're very creative. They're ingenious. I call them inventive. They're unique. They're fun. I see you doing things in the pool, all kinds of stuff. fun. I see you doing things in the pool, all kinds of stuff. What is the modality that if you could share with everybody that, you know, most people don't do, what's the one training tick, the training trick, training modality that you've enjoyed implementing the most that you think not a lot of people do? I think that based off of the philosophy that I mainly use and follow, which is a movement-based approach,

you work with athletes that move dynamically and need to be able to accelerate, decelerate, re-accelerate. That being said, the most versatile tool that applies to that philosophy is something like a Viper, that applies to that philosophy is something like a Viper, VIPR, or a steel mace, or a dumbbell, a kettlebell. The reason why I list these types to a plate, a 25-pound plate, the reason why I list i have a list instead of just one is because you can load movement really easily and simply and i like the way viper allows you to create different loading strategies in terms of the different types of grips you can do um the different types of shifts you can drag it and you can tilt it. There's many ways that you can manipulate the Viper to create loaded movement.

But you can do the same with a mace. You can do the same. You can do similar with a plate and or dumbbell, single dumbbell, as long as you understand the philosophy of trying to train movements, load movements versus muscles. yes that's been and um i'm not super big on replicating sport movement and then just loading and saying ah it's sport specific i'm not super big on that but there are ways to train lines of the body if you know if you're familiar with thomas

meyer's work yes anatomy trains that if you're training said lines with mass and momentum that's going to transfer to sport and if i load your hand with a dumbbell and i start creating different lines of of movement and loading those lines. Now, for some reason, you're able to react and recoil like a spring a little bit more effectively. And we're not replicating sport movement. For instance, if I play football, you know, a common move might be to spin like a spin move. That doesn't mean put a plate in your hand and start spinning like I'm going to get faster like a spin move. That doesn't mean put a plate in your hand and start spinning, like, oh, I'm going to get faster in my spin move. No, but understand what lines of muscle are being engaged

or faster are being engaged. Train that line, and then all of a sudden your spin move is a lot more effective. It's more of a whiplash type spin. So I say Viper, but the reason why i'm hesitant to just say viper is because you know it's it's something that's a little unorthodox and people are still trying to get used to and we're trying to open the eyes of how viper can really transfer transfer to sport and to you know lifting heavy and whatnot but as the field starts to understand that maximal force isn't as important as we thought it was, then we can start to look at submaximal loads,

moving them fast, moving them dynamically. And then all of a sudden, maybe that transfers the sport more than max force. No, I love it. And I like everything we've talked about because it takes that creative and inventive side of you and kind of lets you just explore it in different avenues, whether it's training philosophy, recovery, or training modalities. I think we've hit on everything. So here is my last question for you.

And this is the last question that I ask all my sports guys, but it's all relative to the sport maybe it's perfect because the last dance is on right now and i'm sure i'll get one of them but who is your all-time nba starting five all-time nba starting five obviously mj okay so So MJ is at the two. MJ at the two. My favorite one, everyone's going to say Magic, but mine is John Stockton. John Stockton. Yes. I like him as a fit with MJ. Okay. So I need to think about this more as what's going to be a better team or my favorite one through five. Either one, either one. Go your favorite one through five. I'm just going to be a better team or my favorite one through five? Either one.

Either one. Go your favorite one through five. I'm just going to go favorite one through five. They're going to be a beast team no matter what. We got to put Brian at three. That's him, right? Yeah. The four is going to be AD. Okay.

That's not because I'm biased, but that's because I believe that he's a special basketball player and will go down in history as one of the top. And he is a four. He's not a five. He's a four. He plays five, but he's a four. We actually argued about that in the house yesterday because I was like,

he's got to be a five, right? The guys are like, no, dude, he's a four. I've been playing a lot of 2K. Well, take it from me dude he's a four i've been playing a lot of 2k well take it from me he's a four and then five gotta be uh i'm not you know i i pay homage to the old school but i didn't watch the old school so i'm not gonna give you wilt as my five or bill russell or bill right like homage pay please understand that i believe in y'all but this is not who i grew up watching five's gotta be shag yeah it's it's funny because we always say the same thing like there's all these beast old sinners but it's like who is really gonna stop shack nobody nobody the the only the only tweak i would probably make to your team i might just slide steph in there at

the one just because i want that outside shooting. But dude, that's a nasty lineup. Mike, where can they find your stuff? Where can they keep up with you and learn from you? The main and pretty much only source of contact that people can get to me is through Instagram. And that's the handle is Mr. Do It Moving, M-R-D-O-I-T-M-O-V-I-N-G, Mr. Do It Moving. And if you message me, I promise I will respond because everyone at one point had a question that they needed answered and I myself is included in that group. So ask me a question. I will respond. Dude, thanks so much for coming on. I really appreciate it. You had a lot of good things to share and we'll have you on again soon. Thank you so much for having me, man.

Blessings. All right, everybody. So that was Mike Guevara, Coach Mike G. You can find him on Instagram at Mr. Do It Moving. Do yourself a favor, toss him a follow, look at some of the stuff he's doing with some of the world's best athletes. Let that open your mind and kind of give you some ideas how to incorporate some multi-planar, unconventional training into your life.

There's a lot that we can borrow from the sports performance space as lifters, as fitness enthusiasts. And that's why I was so excited to have Coach Mike G on. Always a friend, always a fan. Love the guy's work. Again, him and I will be meeting up, I'm sure, the next time I'm in LA. But again, thanks again to Coach Mike G for coming on.