Dynamic Dialogue with Danny Matranga - 408 - RFK, GLP-1's and the Economy, Serena Williams, Fake Natties + Violence in America

Episode Date: September 17, 2025

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Okay, welcome in everybody to episode 408 of the Progressive Overload Project. As always, I'm your host, Danny Matranga, joined today, as always, by Matt LaCocco and Holden King. Today we have more good listener questions from you guys, including some of our thoughts on GLP-1 drugs like Ozympic and Tersepetite. These are like probably the most talked about thing in science. in medicine and in fitness. So we'd be silly not to spend quite a bit of time talking about that. We'll talk about ideal training splits if you're going to train four days a week.

Seems to be a pretty popular training protocol for most. What we like best. We'll also talk a little bit about amino acid supplementation. How to decipher some of what's going on in like the greater health ecosystem, especially with a lot of maha and misinformation going on. We'll talk quite a bit about some of the stuff that's happening at the CD. as well as things like the David Bar will make some Heisman predictions

for the upcoming college football season. Talk about Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift's engagement and the recent school shooting in Minneapolis and our thoughts on some of the things that maybe we can do to make some progress on gun control in this country. So bouncing all over the place should be a really fun episode.

We're going to hit a lot of the health and fitness stuff early here as we dive into our first listener question. This one comes from MF22 underscore 87. Now, question is simply this. GLP1, thoughts. And I get questions like this all the time. If you guys want to have your questions featured again, you can hit us up on Instagram via DM or look for the question box. But I'm getting more questions about GLP1s now than just about anything else. I'm sure that shows up with you guys and your clients too. But I actually have different thoughts than what I think a lot of people would expect a fitness coach to think. I'm wondering where you guys kind of fall on

GOP-1s. I think they're great, and I think they are a big breakthrough in technology. I think they help people a lot with the food noise. I think they can be, can solve the obesity epidemic. Yeah, and I think they're being abused also by people who don't really need them as much. But what GLP-1 drugs will actually do, and I think there's a lot of misconception around how GLP1 drugs actually work, but what they do is they'll shut down the reward system in your brain for things that you cope with, maybe, like people who maybe eat more food and don't really have that response of fullness. There's a lot of that, which is a biological trait for a lot of people. And it can also, it will also slow down motility and gastric emptying, which is going to

narrow the canal of your GI track, which is going to make you feel fuller, faster. Yeah, I think that's a good point. A lot of people don't know this. You actually have cells in your stomach that detect like expansion and the rate of like hey there's stuff in my stomach there's stuff in my GI tract like the slowing down a motility

so you feel full or longer is so beneficial but it's also like one of the things for weight loss kind of it helps a lot like I do think you could probably slow down the motility of your food with like eating slower chewing your food eating more fiber it's not going to be the same but I never hear

people bring that up as like a hidden benefit, which is like the reduced motility and the satiety effect of having like stuff, like fill you up is pretty helpful. Absolutely. Because I mean, how do people get overweight to begin with just more calories, which is eating more? So if you have something happen through like an intervention like this that has you eating less, like that's going to help dry weight loss. Well, they eat foods that don't make them feel that way ever. Right. I mean, eat the opposite. And even people who are on these drugs. You don't have the perfect diet really. They're never going to feel that satiety from the typical Western diet.

No, no. And when they do start these GLP ones, a lot of them will actually despise the food that they used to love in a lot of cases, like mostly higher fatty carbary foods that people typically go for. There's a lot of people, a lot of data suggesting that a lot of these foods are no longer desirable for them when they do start these GLP1 drugs. So I think that's really cool. Have you seen the economic data on GLP ones?

Like buying stuff. Somebody pulled this up on chat GPT or I'll pull it up on chat GPT. People are less likely to go on like shopping sprees. You would be shocked. So a lot of the places that sell or dispense GLP ones through their pharmacy

also have consumer shopping data. Think Walmart. Think Safeway. Okay. There is a lot of data that shows when people start using a GLP1 the actual amount of junk food they buy drops by at least 10%.

I want to say it's statistically significant. I'll get in on this really quick. I mean, that's, I think, pretty significant. I think 10% in any direction is enough to, like, significantly change some things at the very least, maybe not everything. Yeah, well, this definitely changes people's weight, and it works really well.

Because everyone who starts a GLP1 loses weight, almost every single person. Totally. And again, it goes back, and I've never had a client use a GLP1. not lose a significant amount of body fat. It's another win for calories really make all the difference because if there was a drug for... If it was anything else, there'd be a drug for, like, hormone.

If you were a staunch advocate of calories in, calories out is the solution to obesity. And the best drug that's ever been created to stop, halt, reverse, interfere with obesity comes out. And people start losing weight. You're going to look at that mechanism and go, well, what did it do? How did it work?

and it worked by making people fucking eat less. And that's about the least surprising thing in the whole fucking world. And I do think that ultimately, yes, these GLP-1s work in multifaceted ways on the reward centers on our motility. They don't work by quote-unquote calories in, calories out. They work by making it easier to stick with calories in, calories out.

And I think maybe people thought it'd be like a drug that speeds up your metabolism or a drug that literally burns fat. But it turns out that the best VAT loss drug we've created so far is a drug that makes it less rewarding to eat. And what do you know when it's less rewarding to eat and you eat less? People who have struggled their whole life to lose weight. All kinds of diets. It really good results with these compounds.

And people who have had to suffer a little bit more than them hate that for some reason and call these people lazy, you know, the right way, they're not healthy, they're not going to make any meaningful changes in their life. It's like, look, guys, if you can improve your quality of life, you can improve your blood lipids, right? You can reduce your risk of cancer. I think it's a hell of a hell of a drug. Better than cocaine.

Better than cocaine. Probably stroke risk. Yeah, I want to read you guys something I wrote. I did pull up the economic data. But to your point about, you know, what do we know about GLP ones and the upside? I wrote that my hot take is that these compounds will see massive uptics and usage in the next two to three.

years. So from like 26 to 2029, I think that we're going to see let me ask you this. Do you know how many Americans have currently used a GLP1? I don't. Like a weight loss drug? No idea. I want to say like maybe 7%. 7%?

7% of Americans. Yeah. I'm going to go a little bit higher than that maybe like 15%. It's like 12%. It's 1 in 8. 15 might be like right on the money. But it's going up like at a pretty considerable rate, and you have to think there are a lot of Americans who are using these

drugs and either not reporting or doing it off-labeled. That one in eight figures from Kaiser Family Foundation. Right. So there's definitely, it could be more even. It's more than that. It's probably at this point, that's almost, dude, I bet you it's, of course there are. I bet you there's like 25% population penetration at this point. Wow. I really think about, I think one in six Are we entering like normalized territory? Super duper normalized. So let me write to you what I wrote. Massive uptake in the next two to three years. I find it fascinating that we're seeing GLP1 compounds have an impact on alcoholism and things like compulsive shopping

slash shopping addiction. Shopping addictions. There's more to these compounds than just OZempic. We're learning that a lot of humans and we're learning a lot about humans, their pleasure and reward pathways. And right now, many people are wary, and I don't blame them. Our pharmaceutical manufacturers have burned us before with miracle drugs. Of course, everybody in America has, like, deeply tiffed about what happened with the opiate crisis in lieu of like, hey, we'll just manage everyone's pain away with these really high-end narcotics. This oxycodone's the best. It has

fucking no risk of like dependency formation. Everybody's going to be on it. It's great. It's totally safe and it ruined and ravaged middle america like the opiate epidemic destroyed towns like the ones me and holden grew up in the more rural the more low income the more agrarian and the more physical the labor force in that community the greater the opiate use and then greater the downfall okay but like i don't think this is the next opiate right i think this is a very exciting technology i want to be open-minded i want to watch it play out i don't want my insecurities about how it affects my job as a personal trainer to get in the way of my interpretation

of the research. These drugs aren't going anywhere. All I can do is adapt with them. A lot of my clients are using them. I'm sure a lot of your guys' clients are using them and they just work. And I'm not going to say they're perfect. I'm not like fucking cucking for Big Pharma. But like

if in fact these drugs are so effective at managing obesity, we're going to see Big pharma take a huge hit in the production of statin drugs blood pressure regulation drugs that's a good point metformin

you're like how soon before this gets like politicized do you think oh I mean it's extremely politicized RFK is constantly yapping bullshit about OZMPIC among many other things he doesn't want to make it affordable for people yeah

all these are other mechanisms like ingredients of food all the mitochondrial dysfunction that's going on it's not going to be by GLP ones. You can totally see it. So here's the economic data before I pivot off

because I thought this was fascinating. And this is why I don't think GLP ones are going anywhere and this is why I think they're going to be a seminal technology. Walmart internal data shows a decline in food purchases among GLP1 users.

So for people who use GLP1 drugs and shop at Walmart, Walmart literally has that fucking data. They have the pharmacy data and they have the food shopping habits of these consumers. And what you see is a measurable decrease in food demand from customers who are taking these drugs.

Cornell University actually researched this and showed a 5.5% drop in grocery bills. Morgan Stanley estimates that GOP1 users spend 20 to 30% less, consuming 20 to 30% fewer calories every day. So, like, I don't give a fuck what you think causes weight loss. I don't give a fuck that you think it's hormones. I don't give a fuck that you think it's cortisol. It's fucking calories, and you know who fucking believes that? It's Morgan fucking Stanley and Walmart, okay? They know a thing or two about numbers, dog.

And like, I'm doing, this shit works, and it's affecting the fucking economy, you know, like people are consuming less food. Like, I know these drugs have, like, positive hormonal effects, but they clearly impact what people eat. They're buying less shit in, like, by the hundreds of millions of dollars. I'd say so, too. even though ultimately we would all love it if everybody just did it on their own

that's not easy. Totally, but it's not the reality either. And if you think that anyone can do it on their own that you don't understand biology. Yeah, speaking of, like, I got just hammered because I made a comment about Serena Williams losing weight. I don't know if you guys know this, but Serena Williams is a very accomplished

tennis athlete. Some might say the greatest female athlete ever in any sport. I did not know this, that you can be the greatest female athlete of all time and also be lazy because you had a hard time losing weight so you used Ozempic so that was fascinating for me to learn there was just a plethora of overweight and middle-aged white men rushing to my comments to tell me that serena williams is just lazy and she just needs to stick to her dying suck it up you know and i honestly think like well she just

had two kids well it could be a better example of like a candidate who could use a glp1 than like a woman who was burning like 8,000 calories a day playing tennis, who then had to stop and has a completely different, like, life. Totally. You're like instantly, like, I have 800 more calories now. Assuming I'm eating the same. One of my clients even said to me, like, how does that not supposed to discourage me?

Like, if she needs one, like, of course I'm going to need one. And I was like, yeah, you might fucking need one. And I don't think that's, like, a bad thing. And, like, she probably didn't need one. She probably could have just white-knuckled it and applied the same. Supremant intensity and mentality. She did tennis, but she's retired from tennis for a reason. She has children.

She has things that probably matter to her more than tennis right now. Totally. And like, why suffer through weight loss if you have access to these compounds, money is not an issue. Right. Like, genuinely, I think another reason people don't like them, they can't afford them. Yeah. Right? Like, we are to be really honest about, like, how much of the animosity.

They don't want others to have it. how much of the animosity about GLP-1s is I just don't want you to have something I can't have. Right, yeah, because I can't afford it and you can't. I think I'm going to shit on it because I can't afford it. Yeah, I think you can make a fair case is rooted in that. I think a considerable amount of that that happens. And I think even bigger than that is the fact that the government made them, right? I don't know.

Scientists made them. Like, people with expertise created these. Oh, that is a great point. And with like you were talking about the, you know, opiate epidemic that we had when we people that, hey, these are going to be fine. They're going to solve everyone's problems. And maybe people have the same, you know, reaction to these GLP-1s, right? Yeah, I think you're right.

But, you know, Big Pharma represents GLP-1s, right? They're, from what I understand, they are... They're coming from a place that, like the government. These commercials are being run. Guilty by association. Once you on them. Yeah, Big Pharma wants us on them, and we don't know the long-term effects, and they're going to probably kill us.

That is true. That is true. There's nice, too. In the OZIP. But this is one of the challenges I face with the discussing Ozempic with people. It is a certain level of thinking to do risk analysis on a singular basis. Like, I am looking at the risk of taking Ozempic. It is an additional layer of thinking to compare the risk of taking Ozempic to the risk of maintaining obesity across your life.

I just want to ask you to jump up a layer with me from like the is this good or bad to How does this compare to the risks of the alternative? And consider that 70% of American adults are overweight. 50 fucking percent are obese. Of the totality of Americans, only 25% exercise. So that means 75% don't exercise. Right. And they're the ones most of the risk, obviously.

I would imagine that the thin ones or the thinner ones are most of the 25%. Totally. A lot of overweight people. It's always weighing your options. They don't exercise at all. No. You can't really get them, too. It's very difficult.

I think if trainers know anything about anything, that it's very difficult to get people to be excited about exercise. Right. Because they are there to kind of get crushed. So are we just supposed to let those obesity numbers go up indefinitely? Or do we just say, hey, look, they went down for the first fucking time in 2024. The latter. If we're worried about big pharma capitalizing on this,

and just making tons of money and putting this thing out there that's going to be at our demise. It's actually going to hurt them a little bit, as you explained before, with blood pressure going down, heart disease risk going down, blood sugar going down.

Probably a lot less joint replacements. A lot less medical care. Maybe they're like panicking because you're already seeing the changes in like alcohol consumption with like the younger gender, you know? That is super true. Like you are never...

It could be the same shift. The statistics on alcohol consumption are remarkable. Like in the last four to six years, like the drop off is crazy. That is fucking for sure driven in a big part by GLP ones. GLP one use makes alcohol aversion like super common. And like I don't think it's just because young Gen Zs and millennials are smoking pot. I think it's because a fuck ton of people are using GLP ones and alcohol makes you feel awful already.

Yeah. And it makes you feel really bad when you eat like a thousand calories day. Right, right, right. Yeah, now with these GLP1 drugs, I think it's going to be great for people like that who just aren't really in touch with their, like, hunger cues, they're just biologically more predisposed to obesity. And these people are the people who should be taking them. Now, unfortunately, you see a lot of people who have this five to 10 pound, you know,

maybe vanity weight that they want to lose and they're getting on them and they're somehow accessing these. Now, I still don't think it, I don't have to look at the, you know, I don't have to look at the the long-term data and be open-minded about this, right? But I still don't think that there are in any detriment with their health in the short term from taking these or even maybe the moderate term. They're going to lose some weight.

But like, if you're not eating enough protein, if you're on these things for a long period of time, and you don't really have that much weight to lose, now we're starting to get into the weeds where it's like, okay, that's body dysmorphia to me. You might lose too much of the long. There's a lot of that. Yeah, I mean, in a country like America

where women and men feel the way that they do about their appearance in the world. And an extra five pounds or ten pounds only. We talked about this in the last episode with hormone therapy, but there's going to be a lot of people who are fringe candidates to straight up non-candidates who are like, I don't give a fuck, I want it, I want the test, and have retachetide or the tersepetide

because I want to get jacked and lean. And it's just like, man, that trade-offs kind of trash if you only have like five to ten pounds. And it actually makes it harder and more expensive for people who need these drugs to get these drugs. Yeah, yeah, you're taking. away some of the supply from people who actually need it. We'll pivot into the next question because we're talking about working out and how important

it is. This one's from Jamie Chancellor. And Jamie asks, four days a week of weights, full body or an upper, lower split. What's best? So I have a, I for sure have a preference here. I do this. Okay, Matt does this. So he has a preference. Yeah.

Should we just do three, two, one, total body or split? Yeah. On the count of three. Yeah. One, two, three. Up or lower, yeah. split all the way all the way across i will let's let's play devil's advocate okay so what would you do if you had to train total body four days a week first you'd probably put a day

in between right definitely train rest train rest train rest each each workout will had technically full body but be focused on more upper or lower probably i think you have to bias yeah i don't think you could do like for recovery purposes for like recovery purposes yeah like maybe monday you could do posterior, Tuesday, anterior, Wednesday. Yeah, you can do it that way too. You could do some of that. Like, maybe you do your dead lifts,

your lap pull downs, your rows, your bicep curls. And then the next day you do squats. Yeah. You know, there's a lot of ways you can do it. I don't think there is a best split out there. I think that if you're hitting each muscle group one to maybe three times a week, there's plenty of data of support that those will be great for growing.

As long as you're recovering from your last session and you're, you know, listening to your body, I think you can probably get away with both, but preferably probably upper lower is probably your best bet. I think like four days a week was made for upper lower, but I would say like some fun versions of it could be like the first two days of my week.

The first upper day is a lot of compounds and it's heavy and the first leg day is a lot of compounds and it's heavy. And then the second upper body day is more isolation work. It's more bodybuilding style. And the second leg day is more machine work. And it's more bodybuilding style. It's still upper lower, but you can do like two heavy days, two isolation focused days.

You could do like a conjugate training every single time. Where you have like heavy load training and then speed training. So there's like great ways to do like four day a week, upper lower power training. It works like super good for bodybuilding, super good for power training. I would honestly say it's probably amazing for athletes too because like let's say you're off-season athlete and even in-season athlete, all you want to do is keep your gains. like okay I literally drop in

and do like two sets of chest two sets of back like two sets of delts and then like four sets of arms and abs and bounce yeah whatever your training reasons are and like it probably helps to just hit each one of those twice

because each one's gonna be lower volume right and if you are looking for something like hey because of the demands of my sport my training has to be low volume I want to get that's when you take advantage of frequency the upper lower just automatically puts you at that like perfect two time

frequency that everybody's trying to land on. And you're like recovering at that point too, which is probably the most important piece of it all. Four days a week of total body is four frequencies. Yeah, I mean, you're working out more days out of every week than not, right? I think that's overcame. Yeah. Yeah, for most people, I think it is. And, and, you know, I mean, if you are willing to do like one to two sets per exercise and maybe a little lower volume, I might be will get away with that, with that full body split a little more, but it's, you know, it's really going to be based on the individual and, you know, how well they're recovering and other stressors and all those things. But yes, I think generally

speaking, up or lower makes sense. Okay. So next question I have from Train with Payal, and the question is how to combat maha slash misinformation with your clients. So I'll just start from like a general perspective because I've been so outspoken about some of this. I've, I've just I've experienced a lot of the friction between people who don't want to hear that this is misinformation or that maha might not be all that great I don't know how to combat it

other than to just make the most analytical and practical argument so like a good example would be like my client approached me and told me that they don't want to drink diet soda anymore because they think Aspartame is super bad because of like a video they saw. And I'd be like, okay, that's fine.

Well, you can switch to Zivia, which is a natural sweetener. Like, I have to remember that my goal as a practitioner is to help them achieve their goal, not to win them over and to be like, no, you're misinformed about Aspartame. Let me just like try to fix your impression about that thing right now. It is so difficult. And my initial reaction is be like, what the fuck, who told you that? Right, right.

And like, I have clients, I'm like, I saw it on TikTok. I saw on TikTok. Then I got to do this to get rid of my hip dips. And I'm like, oh, my, fuck God. Yeah. All right, well, let me show you how to train your gluteus medias. And explain to you in time that it's not going to get rid of your hip dips.

But, like, it's so hard, I think, to not just immediately want to dive in and just take out all of the falsehoods. but I think that can create something that's almost adversarial, and you might want to avoid that. Yeah, like a client comes to you, and they're like, hey, I want to build muscle, but I don't want to get too big. I don't want to get too big, so I don't want to get too big. And you're like, well, here's the thing.

If you don't want to get too big, you're not going to get that big. Like, we're going to put muscle on, but like, you're dumb for thinking that. Like, that doesn't really help anybody. But being like, okay, I totally get what you're saying. Let's get stronger. Let's work out. Let's have a good time. Do things that you enjoy mostly.

You keep showing up, and the things are going to happen that you want to happen. get too big, we'll stop. We'll slow it down. I'll let you pump the brakes. You can tell me. But yeah, it is interesting. Like, a lot of the misinformation when it shows up in front of you from someone, especially if they're a client, like, your initial reaction is going to be, I'm the expert in this relationship. I need to put them in their place. My next reaction is, what the fuck did I teach you? Yeah, it is.

We've been training for 10 years and you're still thinking this stuff shit? You don't be fat, tallow, protein shakes. What the fuck? When did you get that idea? I had a shot of raw milk this morning. We'll use the bathroom. And don't ever come back to me. Oh, all right. Great.

You're finally going to reach your fat loss goals because you're going to have diphtheria. They have red. There's red 40 in those and I just can't. And it's like, okay, you don't have to. That's really fun. You know, you have to, like, try to remove the politics from it if you're going to, like, and just make it about the science and the studies and, like, how it affects their health because that's ultimately why they're there for you with you.

Yeah. And a lot of. It's just hard to do because it gets, everything's politicized. Yeah. And like, honestly, I will say this. like I have an audience on Instagram that is very lukewarm to these ideas. The maha stuff, a lot of the misinformation stuff. They're health-focused people.

And like RFK made a legitimate, like genuine attempt to create a coalition of health-conscious people to win the presidency. Right. Not to be the head of HHS. One year ago today, I can almost guarantee Robert Kennedy was like, very much ingratiating himself to Trump if he hadn't yet but like 16 months ago today

he was running for president yeah yeah like not that long ago so there's a lot of people who are like fucking Joe Biden's old he's dog shit and Trump's crazy and like I kind of like this RFK guy because he talks about health and like frankly I don't blame people for not being so hot on Trump

and Joe Biden right I don't um but like the reason so many people feel that this is political is because it kind of is political And I would just say, like, every time I bring up some of these ideas as being, like, pretty stupid, even though, like, now they are attached to Trump and the Trump administration because he absorbed Robert Kennedy, it is almost impossible for people to not be like, oh, you're just being a dumb, woke, lib, you lib cuck pussy. And I'm like, no, I mean, I've just read the date on seed oils, and I think you're being a sensationalist fuck.

And your life's, like, too easy. and so you need a new bad guy. Right. And man, it's just like it's become part of the worldview for a lot of people. And like when I bring it up, I met with a ton of heat. And so I just think that it goes with it. But if you're choosing not to have these certain ingredients that they don't, that they're saying that are causing these neurological problems or whatever,

they're saying, that's okay. Because a lot of these ingredients are in ultra-process foods that you probably don't need to be eating a lot of anyways. So it's kind of hard to be like, it is easy to be like, yeah, like Red 40 is fine. But also, you know, yeah, maybe don't eat it. Because if you are consuming it, you're probably overeating calories from ultra-processed foods. And we know that's not very healthy for you, right? So I think it's easy to have a conversation that doesn't make someone feel attacked or feel stupid

or believing in, you know, some of this stuff that these guys are saying and doing. Yeah, I totally agree. getting into the nutrition side of this, I think we want to talk a little bit about the David Bar and EPG. That's a good ass bar. Okay, yeah. I love it.

It tastes so good. I don't think I've had one. You haven't had a lot of that. It's so easy to eat them. I can have three a day if I wanted. Yesterday. So I'm looking for you guys to educate me a little bit more

because on what I read about this lawsuit. Let's talk about the product first. The David Bar is like a 28 gram of protein. Is that what it is? It's plant-based. oils used, right? No, I think it's way in college. I think it's way in college.

Okay, I must. Maybe I'm... Oh, you're talking about EPG. Yeah, so we'll get to EPG. Well, no, I thought the David Barr was, like, made with that, no? It is, but it's a protein bar. And the protein bar industry is full with, like, a bunch of dry, hockey puck, tasting, shitty protein bars. Oh, yeah.

And so the good ones have really high calories, because you know how you make a protein bar taste fucking better? Sugar and fat. The same way you make anything taste fucking better. You put sugar and fat into it, but especially fat. I hate to say it. Like the demonization of sugar is mostly people just kind of being dumb when it comes to calories. Like all the fucking foods you think,

Oh my God. It's probably like got half the cat. I gave up sugar. Oh, I stopped eating sugar. You fucking cookie is like 70th percent of the calories come from butter, you idiot. Yeah. Like, why? Well, this is not how we talk to our clients, of course, because our clients come to us all the time and say,

hey, I'm not doing any sugar anymore. And I was like, well, that's, okay. I don't talk. They don't talk with their clients like that, okay? I will occasionally get agitated when somebody tells me they cut out sugar and I will respond aggressively. A little agitated. And defame them. Yeah.

But like... But you're not wrong, though, because the cookie is like 70% butter. Like look at any recipes. Yes. It's like all of the baked goods, like people when they say, I'm cutting out carbs, like pizza, cookies and chips. It's like they're almost all of the calories come from fat. Yeah. But go off.

Like, no, yeah. the crust of your pizza has like way less calories than the pepperoni and the cheese. Oh, right, right. But it's a carb in people's mind. Totally. Because what? I guess you don't really need to know that. No, you could just eat less ultra-processed food.

You can continue, I mean, ignorance can be bliss sometimes, right? In this case, it's like, all right, that's fine. But yeah, I think, yeah, this is where, and that's really infuriating for people who work out and who like, you know, participating in athletic activities when it's like carbs and sugar get get so demonized and they shouldn't because they're actually good for you. And you have half of the calories that fat does. Actually, less than half. They get the fat has a hundred and twenty percent more calories per gram than carbs. Nine is a lot fucking fucking more than four. I can guarantee you would rather get punched in the face four times

than punched in the face nine times. That's fucking, hey, that's nutrition. It doesn't sell Not a nutrition, but that's nutrition. Because a gram of carbs is four punches to the face. And a gram of fat is nine punches to the face. And you're like, I cut carbs, I'm fucking smart. And you have a black guy at a broken house. You're knocked out with fat macros. It's just like housing chichiorones and shit.

But like, fat has so many calories per gram. That's like why the low fat like diet kind of works. But the David bar, which is what we're actually talking about, is just a really high protein bar with incredible texture. Because they use an ingredient called EPG, which is this synthetic fat that doesn't have a lot of calories and, like, can make amazing texture. Yeah.

Here's why there's a huge controversy around it. And, like, let's just piss everybody and fitness off at the same time. The dude who started the RX bar, which you guys know, started the David bar. Okay. And the dude who started the David bar got all the biggest fitness podcasters, most specifically, Andrew Huberman, to back this bar.

Another big name is Lane Norton. To back this bar. Peter Atia. Another big name is Peter Atia. If you get Lane Norton, Peter Atia, and Andrew Huberman, telling people to eat your fucking protein bar, they're going to stick it up their fucking ass. They're going to make love to this protein bar, okay?

They're going to put a hole in it. Fuck it. Hard. There's going to be, every 28-year-old man in Austin who's going home alone tonight has a David bar in the bedside table. That's like the newest condom. I'm a hybrid athlete, baby. Girls think I'm weird, but I like David bars and my athletic greens travel pack.

But like, they're really good. The problem is they fucking bought the manufacturer of EPG and like cut off the whole market to the supply of EPG. Yeah, people are pissed about it. How can you do that? Because they want to make money and there's nothing stopping them. And how can they buy it? This is the one thing they need to do and now they're it. They are it.

Okay. I think this is really, this is probably really easy to explain. money yes money we're nailed it yeah we're gonna give you a ton of money and you don't give this to anyone else

I made a EPG and like I'm sitting around like making hell of money licensing and selling my EPG to these brands and then David Barr

comes up and it's like hey you know I don't know I'm guessing Atia and fucking Norton and all of these guys have no legitimate problem being like initial investors in this brand

getting it to the place where it's at but like now they're a big company they're making a lot of money and so they're approaching this isn't like a seed stage company anymore they're like one of the most popular protein bars um they just went to EPG and we're like as i understand it like what is it gonna cost to acquire the rights to this compound right they had enough money to do it like do we know what it sold for did it sell um but like the person who created the product got their hands on the EPG. Yeah, so the person making the EPG obviously said, okay, you guys give me enough money,

and I'm not going to let any other company come to me for this. I don't understand how there's only one company that produces EPG, and somebody else hasn't figured it. It's like 75 mil. I think EPG is like a proprietary, like. Blend of some things. I thought it was like a synthetic, but it's like plant. It, like, uses this plant-based oil, which, like, mimics.

Yeah, it does use this plant-based oil. That's what EPG is. I just think, okay, perfect. It's esterified, propoxylated colicerole. It's a fat substitute. Develop to provide the same mouthfeel and cooking properties as regular fat. But with 0.7 calories per gram instead of 9. So it has literally one-tenth.

Yeah. Less than one-tenth of a... That's how you make these. That's how you make these. That's how you, exactly. So you guys are at a Robert Irving protein bar, fucking the buff guy on the food network. Balding, right? Fucking 300 calories.

Hell of good. Have you ever had an Anabar? 300 calories. Hell of good. They just have 20 grams of fat. Totally. David bars have like one gram of fat. You can use one tenth of the amount of EPG to get that mouth feel.

And so it looks like EPOG acquired the rights to EPG from Archer Daniel's Midland, which originally worked on the compound. Daniel's Midland had developed the compound decades ago but after limited commercial rollout and regulatory hurdles EPOG spun it out and refined the technology

EPOG now owns the patents and regulatory clearances for EPG so EPG is patented that explains a lot and I think David just bought the patent I think that's what it was too I never know you could do that with an

ingredient like that I mean it does kind of make sense because in supplements there are formulations of certain products like for example beta alanine is almost always in your product as carnosin carnosin is the synthetic trade name of the like commercial grade could you get beta alanine from another manufacturer i think so but most people buy it in it that from the carnison manufacturer as i understand okay i think that that would be like if they just said we bought we bought we got the patent we bought the patent we got the rights no one else is making it but

But I do think it is crazy because you could make like zero calorie dipping sauces with this. You could make a lot of foods for the food supply to help make people healthier. Oh, totally. But like David is in a position where they could basically kill the protein bar market by like cutting anybody off from having access to low, fat, high, like, taste protein products. Totally. Well, good for them. They're making a, you know, hand over fist money.

And people, they're getting more protein in maybe. I don't think it's right. It's super expensive. They're like $5. They're prohibitively expensive. I don't know how you can gatekeep something like that. I guess you want a patent to it. Okay, we're going to pivot into the sports section of the podcast here.

We have actually today, at the time of recording, college football kickoff today. Texas just went down number one losing to Ohio State on the road. And I thought, what better time to make our Heisman trophy predict? Since nobody's going to pick Arch Manning now, do you guys have any Heisman trophy predictions? I have one. I do too, but they're always like a Homer pick. It's on a dark horse or anything, yeah. You guys run with this one.

I don't really watch college ball much. Yeah, I just think the... Yeah, my guy's just talent. Go ahead. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In situation, they're a good team, but all good teams have like one of the best players in the country, which is what the Heisman is. Penn State quarterback, Drew Aller.

From what I hear, he has like a bunch of receivers at his disposal, experienced O'Line. The defense is good, so he's going to have the ball in his hands. They're a top rank team. No, that was unreal. That was Bryce Brown, who was like a literally, like, wrecking ball against Poyce State the other day. I don't watch a ton of college football either,

but I do, as we get closer to the draft season, I do think it's a quarterback heavy class. So it's unlikely that it will be a non-quarterback. I could see it being Clubnik. I could see it being Aller. But I think this Ryan Williams kid is so unbelievably good at wide receiver. I actually wonder if it might be like one of those years where it's just like a receiver just dominates and has like a 2,000 yards.

A lot of times is DeFonte Smith. Well, Travis Hunter. He was a receiver. Travis Hunter. He was an incredible receiver. Yeah. This production was off the charts. but I think he won because he also had like eight takeaways on defense.

He played corner. Yeah, I was my guy like similar to a wide receiver position like that dude from Ohio State, but after watching their quarterback today, I was like, I don't think he's going to give him enough highlight. Yeah, they don't have great quarterback play.

Okay, well, we'd also have on here. We're all in a fantasy league, probably like many of you who play fantasy sports, but in the show notes, our feelings about your fantasy draft. Do you have a guy that you're most excited about having on your team? holding which team you're well our league the only team i give a fuck about is the team that i'm

taking your money for i don't care about the leagues you're in with your other friends that we've established this it's like you have a don't talk to me about the leagues i'm not in i don't care about your other friends holding it i know and i hate people do that in my other league i did this and it's like in my other league i have a 20 inch penis and i won 40 games in a row and i have all the good players but you weren't there to see have 20 girlfriends and they all have double D's. I was on summer vacations. Like literally the kid who comes back from,

I had 12 girlfriends this summer and they were all so hot, but they moved away. I don't think I believe this guy. I don't know if I believe. That's your other league, okay? I don't care about how you got Sequan and Gibbs and Bejohn and your other league, okay? That didn't happen in mine.

The league were in. I'm excited about Ted McMillan. I think this guy's going to be. Millen, too, he's down on my team in his sleep. Superstar. And I think Bryce Young was looking way better last year. That was fine. His groove, the Panthers' offense was on a roll way better. The running game is predicted to be the worst this year. But that opens it up for Ted McMillan.

I think this guy is going to get a ton of catches, a ton of targets, and I got him with like the 66th pick in our league. I believe. Damn, you know the ADP, even. Yeah, and I have, I think that makes my receiving. core on my fantasy team the best than I league because I also have Malik neighbors I have Pooka Nukua and have Tyree Kiel

can get his head up his ass and do something this year up his ass or out of his ass. Down in out of his ass and get his dick out of another woman yeah and make have another fucking kid. I think this guy He's distracted off the field for sure. If he doesn't perform well then it's

like all right Ted McBillan he's going to do the job for me and get that W but I also have Terry McCorn who we're talking one guy here holding if you want to My team's the best. I want to dole. Holden loves his team. But yeah,

I'm really happy. I like Terry McLaren too. So we're going to trade with Holden to be in the air of free season. You're too scared. No, I am too scared. Holden. You're absolutely right. So with that being said,

the guy I'm most excited about is the guy that Holden wants Cortland Sutton because clearly he has value in another team's eyes. But yeah, second year a quarterback, a big jump like Holden's guy was good down the stretch last year. So I'm excited about him. like, I'm excited for fantasy football season at the, at the gym. I'm excited about Ashton Genty. I didn't, it happened really late in the draft process.

I just was like, I'm not going to get this guy because I know in my draft, like, he's going to go really early because we have Raiders fans in the draft. And like, he's, like, every year that a guy gets drafted in the first round in the top 10 picks at the running back position, he's going to go in the top 10 in your fantasy draft. We saw it with Saquan Barkley in his race. rookie year. We saw it with Bijon Robinson and his rookie year. We even saw Jemir Gibbs go really, really, really high.

Even though he was taking around like the 15th pick. Like Clyde Edwards, Lear in a lot of drafts went like fourth or fifth. Leonard Cornett was a first round pick. He was also a first round fantasy pick. And so I just was like, I'm not going to get him if I don't take him with my first pick. And I know

he went to a small school, but I feel like he is a really fun player to watch. He is. And I like young running backs who can run the entire length of the field and score touchdown. And there aren't that many guys who can do that. And I'm hoping Gentie can because he's fun. I wanted to get Gentie.

I was thinking he'd fall to like 13, 14. But hey, man, I really hope he does well for you because obviously I love the Raiders and I'm really excited about seeing him run guys over this year. Well, I don't like the Raiders. And neither does Travis Kelsey, who's engaged to Taylor Swift, which I think is about as good of a segue as you're ever going to find out. That was actually pretty smooth. But I don't really give a shit about it too much.

But I'm also not anti-Taylor Swift. I do not understand being anti-Taylor-Swift. She's great for football, man. She is great for fucking football. If you love the NFL, yeah, you should like this. Your wife might want to watch. Yeah, like, less arguments in your life now. All the men, okay, this is literally how it is.

All the men who love football. would like all the men who like football to shut the fuck up about Taylor Swift. Yeah. You're making it worse. Yeah. We want this thing to be huge. We want this brand to be huge. We want Monday night football.

We want Tuesday night football. Every day the week. What was the best part of COVID? Tuesday, Wednesday night football. What is, there is literally no celebrity brand bigger than Taylor Swift. No. And like, she just so happened to team up with an NFL player. Not an NBA player, not a golfer, not a baseball player, an NFL player.

Who's on a team in the spotlight. And bring, like, hundreds of millions of new female fans to the NFL who will have children that will grow up to be fans of the NFL. Like, this is good for football, man. What the hell is, why are we complaining about this? Because Taylor Swift endorsed Kamala Harris and Travis Kelsey got the Pfizer vaccine on a commercial. Fucked him. Everything's political. You guys, dude, one of my fantasy leagues, Travis Kelsey, like, went like the 14th round.

and, like, in the group chat, people are like, I'm so glad Pfizer Cuckboy is dropping in the draft. It's like, yeah. Like, rooting for somebody's failure to me. I've never understood, like, other grown adults doing. It really is, like, all the hate from Travis Kelsey was because he fucking told people to get vaccinated for COVID. Right.

You know, I, I, I literally bad Taylor Swift. Like, Travis fucking Kelly. You can't stand the chiefs. I'm not a big chiefs, but I like Travis Kelsey for that. I like him for being pro. science but the whole taylor swift connection was like i hate seeing her on the fucking tv like i'm watching football not pop singing yeah yeah you know like put the football back on yeah taylor swift's too old yeah yeah yeah it's not even that hot like you shut the fuck up

keep kneeling on the ground yeah get up like it's all the same guys yeah all the same guys who didn't want Colin Kaepernick to Neil I'm like man I don't know here's a hot take I usually love what follows this Travis Kelsey you know what

you got a problem with him call me when you can fucking bag a billionaire woman call me when you can get a good woman like that Travis you're a good man there's no way Taylor Swift's gonna date your ass or even marry your ass if you aren't a really good dude yeah you're just mad that you don't have an

extra billion dollars Disposal. None of us were qualified. None of us. Like, it was like... It's back to the unattainable thing with the GLP-1s. Aren't you happy?

It's like a guy from Ohio who was born into like a middle-class family and him and his brother like worked their asses off to become hardworking gladiators and put their life and body on the line to entertain us every week. They never have scandals. None of that shit. And he literally was like, you know what? I have a crush on this girl. This is totally dumb.

And I'm going to send it. Yeah. And it worked. And it worked because probably he is like, in my opinion, you can say what you want. Like that's what a secure masculine dude will do is like, yeah, I'm kind of cool. I agree with that. I got my shit in check. Like, I'm going to go for it because, you know, that's what you do.

And like, okay, I give him a lot of credit. Like, ultimately, people I think are mad at and frustrated because they seem really happy. and I think a lot of people don't like what other people are happening. Very valid point. Fellas, there's a girl out there who you are hesitant to reach out to. And Travis Kelsey is a great example. Of what could be. The reason why you need to go fucking do it right now.

Grab your goddamn cajones and go ask a human being who's the opposite sex of you to go out with you and you will be very surprised at the result. I love this. Fuck, yeah. You go out with me? Why the hell are you grabbing your bull? This podcast I listened to told me to do it, will you? Yes, I will.

Will you go out with me on one condition? Have you made six pro bowls and are you great at finding the soft spot to zone? God damn it. She knows ball. Oh, my God. All right, guys. That's amazing. This is not going to be such a fun segue, but there was a school shooting in Minnesota on Wednesday

of last week at a Catholic school. and two, I think three kids died. Over 10 were injured. I think it's like up to like 20. There's a lot of injuries. And I waded into this on social media as I've been known to do, which will kind of bring out the really visceral

pro-gun sentiment from people because guns are like, we just spent a lot of time waxing poetically about our love of football. America's love of guns is deeper. older and even greater than it is for football. So if you're a non-American listener, think about America, you know how when you think America, you think football, obesity, apple pie, like a gun's way higher on the list. I'm sorry. Yeah, that might be the number one. It's hard to get, it's hard to

give a fuck about people's health and about making children healthier and seeing them getting gone down in their schools and just sit the fuck quiet and be like, no, you know, the progress we're making on the dyes, it's good. They're not eating seed oils. Okay, good. Bro, I do not like seeing this. I always knew it would fuck me up after my first kid. And it did.

But it's like, we're not going to solve gun violence. We're not going to solve gang violence. But I really think we could solve like military grade weapon shootings in school. I remain pretty positive and optimistic that we can turn a corner in this country and never wake up again to one if we choose to. I would love that, honestly. Areas restricter gun laws have less killings of children. And if you look at the world, you see that there's mental illness everywhere.

And I think even, yeah, RFK made a statement about SSRIs being the culprit for this too. We need to look at SSRI. Because these kids are taking SSRI. There's only one country in the world that has a 54 time more likely. of having a gun shooting that involves a death of a child. And that is here. There are four countries that actually have a higher SSRI saturation per capita than the U.S. They are the United Kingdom.

They are, I believe, you know what? You guys keep going on this because I'm going to pull it up. Yeah, hold and roll, roll with that. The gun control, I mean, it's like the spiciest, most controversial thing you could talk about. Iceland, Sweden, Portugal, and the United Kingdom. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Yeah, just the control factor, I guess more the hysteria. And how many shootings occur there?

Totally, there have been four with that type of weapon. And I think that's what I keep coming back to is like, every time I bring up guns, I am berated by adults who want to ding me for the semantics. An AR stands for Armolite, not automatic rifle. I don't give a fuck. Talking about the guns that kill. that shoot big-ass bullets through kids. You know what I'm fucking talking about.

I'm talking about the kind of gun that you're supposed to play with in a video game, okay? A high rate of fire. A high rate of fire. Big magazine. Armor piercing rounds. Who the fuck is that for? That's not for society.

Really? Really? We're supposed to run a civilized, organized society where I have to pretend like it's normal for you to collect armor piercing bullets. That's a cultural rock. like shoot around. That's a cultural rot.

Yeah. That is a moral failure of the United States that we won't make a fucking inch of movement on any type of gun regulation. You could have a handgun. You could have a shotgun. You can have a rifle. But we should really talk about military grade weapons that shoot armor-piercy rounds and have huge magazines being purchased by people in their fucking 20.

I don't think we need to sell those guns to people in their 20s anymore. I agree. like I at some point like some change like has to be made to this because I mean I guess in the gym we've talked about like the thoughts and prayers aspect to this which like really really bums me out look pray all you want you're allowed to sure like you can handle it that way but like there has to be action with it and that's where that's lacking is there isn't any so whether it's like raising the age of getting like what it is legally to get a gun to be like something far more responsible than what it is I mean I'm all for that like complete ban of something you would use in war

that doesn't need to exist in society. I totally agree. And don't give me that bullshit on it's mental health. Because look, yes, there is a mental health crisis. We're cutting funding to mental health hotlines. We're cutting funding to mental health hotlines in schools. Trillions of dollars. Do you want to make it about marginalized communities?

You're cutting the hotline to that. The FBI, weirdly enough, is like really dialing back. It's domestic counterterrorism effort, which you know who I want working on school shootings like a lot. That's one of two-year-old kid. I would love to know that the FBI was constantly looking at every fucking 30-year-old or younger who bought an assault rifle, who bought armor-piercing rounds, who bought a high-capacity magazine, who bought any of those things anywhere near each other.

Like, it's just way too easy, man. Like, way too easy. People don't understand that the gun laws are so loose. State-to-state they very... I don't think people do understand. that. People who are not in America would be shocked to learn how easy it is to buy the kind of gun we're talking about

in certain states. Yeah, and there's certain states like California that is strict a gun laws. You're going to see less shooting overall. And again, we're not talking about gang violence here. We're talking about these mass shootings. Over in, you know, a state, like I typed in Indiana

requirement to own a gun. You don't need a permit. You don't need to register. They don't even take track they don't even take your name down for for purchasing these guns of if you if you're making if you're doing a private sale no background checks required that's crazy you know you can just buy it from any like joe schmo at the mall i just think that that is a big leak and it's a big problem i think if we should federalize like maybe we can get on all the same page for 50 states with that's why you have the federal government yes right like if you gave the slay if you gave the slay if

There should be a waiting period. I always question why people need a gun instantaneously. California is a cool off period. It makes no sense to me. Like, I'm immediately assuming you're going to use that for nefarious reasons. Like, I need this gun now and I'm rushing you in the process. I think you should have a prohibitively long waiting period to get an assault weapon. Oh, I want that.

I'm a mentally ill young child in my 20s who doesn't always look the part, but almost always looks the part, walking into a gun shop buying an automatic rifle. and now I've been told I have to wait 24 months and pass multiple tests to acquire this weapon and I have to pay a tax of 100 to 200% of the MSRP value of that gun to the government. That money... You want a gun that bad, yeah, go through those steps. Yeah, you really want that guy. Like, you know what?

It is my first amendment right to be able to say that I think it's pretty reasonable that to keep your second amendment right we make it really hard for the craziest and most unwell people to get the most violent and dangerous weapons yes i don't even think anybody needs to give up the guns they have like no not at all like i if we had less keep your if we made if we sold less armor piercing rounds less high capacity magazine less guns that you see in like video games yeah we would probably have a few less shootings in school that happened because a really really disturbed child went out and bought a weapon for killing soft targets. And yeah,

I think that's like that simple because it's a great start. It's honestly a, I think the first thing towards like a national healing or like cultural revolution on our gun obsession is like give these parents a fucking break, bro. Every single one of them when they hear a siren go by in the direction of their kids' school, they're a little more worried than they should be. And like, we need to go a little while before one of these things happening. happens again. We need a break. We need to know that we're making progress. Even though it might

never stop, because of the issues we're seeing in the world, it has to happen less so that people feel better about it. I think like this is a great example of like all or nothing thinking. Totally. Talk to people about making adjustments to our culture around guns and they are so tiffed. Yeah, that's one of the things that like really bums me out is like you present a possible solution and in somebody's eyes it doesn't fix it in its entirety because what about this? What about that? They look to pick apart your argument not to look at it as this will help better the issue. And the fact that we can't get there is like and not even able to have the conversation.

We've made like no meaningful progress in our lifetime. I think there's great. There's great possible solutions out there, but they don't happen because people have too much about all or nothing. And adapt super quickly to these things. Right. Because 10% better is 10% better. It doesn't need to fix the issue.

They go right to 100 though. They literally, a lot of them just ban all guns and they don't have these things happen anymore. I'm not saying we can because it's too sensitive, but we can't even make any movement on it. Yeah, we need to make some movement. We would literally have a civil war or something like that.

We'd be willingly. Well, people I talk about it all the time online, but it's just like, okay, well, if we don't want to get into like legitimate conflict about it, why don't we just make it harder for people to buy the guns that are used to shoot up schools so frequently? Like, I don't give a shit about the rest of them.

I just want to start with those ones because they stand out to me as being, like, particularly problematic on this issue. Totally. And, like, yes, you could make the argument that you could do very much the same amount of damage with other weapons, but, like, no, I don't think you can.

A smaller magazine is not doing the same damage as a larger magazine guy. Yeah, and I mean, okay. I'm sorry, because you're going to run out of bullets sooner. Speaking of practical. Yeah, you will. Like, I hate to phrase it that way, but, like, that is the way it is.

In 1960. Is that black and white? In 1960, there was, or 19, yeah, 1965, I believe, big, there was a shooting in Texas, ex-Marine. He got on top of this, I don't know what it was, like a tower, to kill people. He had six different guns. He had 700 rounds of ammunition on him. That's crazy. You know, I don't know if just the normal Joe can, you know, get access to that kind of firepower, but he used pistols, he used shotguns.

He used long-range rifles. He did primarily use a semi-automatic weapon. And he was able to get through all those rounds and kill probably like, I think it was like 30 people. And, uh... Yeah. That's crazy. Like that Vegas shooter, too. So how many did the guy in Vegas, you know?

I remember that. I think that's the deadliest one, right? And, like, Uvaldi was that kind of weapon. And, like, Sandy Hook was that kind of weapon. And, like, that's all. Look at the commonality of what's being used. I'm just talking about that kind of weapon. And like maybe you can have one responsibly.

I'm down for that. Like, I just, I hate to say it. You better go through a son of a bitch process to get it. It's got to be tougher. Yeah. It's got to be like a lot harder to get it, you know. So how about like, how about enforcing, you know, I mean, the security at school stuff? I'm not even against the idea of having more SRO school resource officers.

If we're willing to pay for it, like out of the, you know, with the taxpayer dime, I think it's going to do two things. It's going to act as a form of deterrence, and it's going to give parents the peace of mind that they want to have from making, like, legitimate gun, uh, you know, progress. I would much rather pay for that than pay for these camps going up to imprison these people who are here. A hundred percent. It's a fantastic point. We're paying for ICE detention centers in the alligator Everglades, but not SROs in schools. We could probably have like an unemployed veteran at every school in America. But the thing is, man, you want to know who has a lot of mental illness and you don't want with a gun on our kids, an untreated American veteran.

Because we take horrible care of our veterans. And do you want an officer on, and this is tough, on school grounds with weapons, you know? I mean, would you feel safe as the officer at a school? If you had to be like, listen, I'm at a school so like I can't have a rifle. I have like a handgun that I can really control. Well, your target number one for sure. Absolutely. Absolutely.

I don't know that I would want to have that job either, knowing that. I think you might be particularly at risk, you know, if compared to other officers who might be like, I'm on the traffic beat today. Hell yeah. Fuck, what do you have? I have the school that just had a kid get expelled for saying he was going to shoot up the school. And now I'm wondering if he's coming back today.

Totally. You know, like, and this actually happened in my hometown, the neighboring high school had to clear out the entire high school because some kid threatened to shoot up the school. and it does happen a lot that kind of stuff happens a lot so I think it's like very important to also have like quality deterrence this happened in

2015 so I had just moved here and it was like two years after I moved away from home but in Tuolome County there were four kids who got arrested in 2015 because they had a clearly detailed plan to shoot and kill as many people as possible

other students at Somerville and Tuolome, 55 miles east of Stockton again, this is my hometown. Found this. Detectives located evidence verifying a plot to shoot staff and students at Somerville High School. The suspects said the plan was extremely detailed in nature and

including the names of victims. And it's like, okay, those are things that the FBI can do, that law enforcement can do. But these kids had already stockpiled the guns and ammunition as minors. Right. And it's

like that's so additionally concerning because, you know, we have to ask the question, like, is that a failure of responsible gun ownership from the parents? I think absolutely. Yes. There's always that factor in. This is a hot take. Executive order, if your kid

takes your gun and kills someone, you also are going to get tried for murder. Yes. If you have a gun in your home, that's neglect, low key. And a minor decides to go and use that gun, I really truly believe you should be liable for all of the damage that that kid did.

Absolutely. How can we foresee things of this happening? Maybe with AI. Is there any way with technology that we can hammer down on this? 100%. Dude, within seconds, AI could probably cross-reference. Everybody who's had diagnosed with depression who has told a counselor that they have thoughts of harming themselves or other people.

I don't want to validate the SSRI thing, but you could use psychotics. But I mean, even counselors, are allowed to tell anyone that information, right? I think that if you told a counselor, I was going to hurt people. They are mandated reporters. I hope so. They're a mandated reporter, bro. I think they have, like, an oath of that.

Yeah. If you told your counselor that you were harming your child, they're going to report you. Totally. There is such thing as a mandated reporter. Yeah. Yeah. Teachers, I think, I don't know. Well, it's like the same thing as calling like CPS, right? You notice a kid, a young kid shows up.

All of these shooters. Like, they can step in. All of these shooters are. hosting videos before they make the, before they commit the crimes. I mean, that's, I mean, that's, how are we not just catching on this right away? What is the FBI doing? I'll tell you what Cash Patel was doing. He was doing more fucking chin-ups, bro.

I'm not kidding. The week of this shooting and they, like, it's so frustrating. He's, it's like, honestly corny as hell. But I think that the FBI needs to do a better job. Local law enforcement needs to have all the equipment. and things that they need to do all of this. But let's put it on. Let's say, we're going to spend money here.

We're going to spend money here. We're going to militarize this. We're going to fucking have an AI surveillance state that's monitoring everybody who buys a gun. Why? Because we won't make voluntary adjustments in concessions. Right. And like, keep your gun, keep your rifle,

keep your shotgun, keep your ammo. Keep whatever the fuck collection you have. But like maybe from today onward, we can adjust the sales. of these things. Yeah, there was a lot going around on like, okay, if you have ARs, if you have semi-out amount of weapons

at your house, we will buy them from you. Gun buybacks are a thing. Gun buybacks are a thing, but like, that's not the word. Or even if you, like, implement it now. I really think we need to use technology in this situation to our advantage and catch these killers early because social media exists

and they're telling people what they're going to fucking do before and this happens all the time. Yeah, I really think, like, a great thing to do, like, this is an additional layer of security, but every single social media account should be tied to a verifiable government ID, meaning

that kid's licensed every account that kid posts on is tied to an ID that is also tied to all of his firearms. Right, right. And if you see like, you know, hey, the same person that is making these videos that AI has flagged because they have bullets in them, they have like,

you know, AI can catch shit. this guy literally was saying tomorrow. Yeah, yeah. And like, it's going to happen. And I'm sorry to everyone. I'm not sorry to anyone, actually.

I've had content taken down by AI that like misread what it was. It was like, this was hate, hate crime. And I'm like, I just, no, it's not. Yeah. And I like appeal it and it comes back. I appeal it and it comes back. And it's like, okay, well, the AI filter missed one. But it's probably going to get more sophisticated to the point where it can catch this stuff.

You should expect it to, right? And like, again, if we had every account in America that's on social media tied to a government issued ID there'd be no bots there'd be no annoying fucking crap on your feed there'd be less ads

there'd be way less cyberbullying it'd be better for kids you'd probably have way less minors getting trafficked probably way less minors of being sexually exploited by pervert adults on the internet it all feels realistic but it would also make it way fucking easier I think to determine hey

this person right here has a ton of ammunition on a video on their feet. And the AI, the same AI that can tell when you post nudity, immediately flagged that. And it flagged that and it said this account belongs to this person. And it immediately sends an immediate, like an instant report to local law enforcement. That could have saved lives.

That technology is right here. We have to use tech. We have to use tech. we have to have more gun control as well i do believe that you know money back to the mental health yeah maybe not make any more cuts to mental health there's been like a thing like what 12 billion dollars to mental cuts i know they made cuts explicitly it was in a big bill it's a lot of money it was in the trillions no billions is you sure i think it's billions i want to say it was i know it was an absurd amount so like you may have to be like you can't argue the you're not allowed

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