Dynamic Dialogue with Danny Matranga - 409: Creatine for Kids, 1200 calorie diets, food costs, guns + more!

Episode Date: September 19, 2025

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Welcome in everybody to another episode of the Progressive Overload Project. As always, I'm your host, Danny Matranga, joined, as always, by Matt LaCocco and Holden King, discussing all things, fitness, health, wellness, politics, and culture. And boy, do we have a fun one today. We have some listener questions regarding supplementation for kids, as well as lower calorie dieting for smaller women. This seems to be something we get lots of questions about, because, dieting tends to be harder when you're smaller.

We're going to talk about Dwayne the Rock Johnson and his recent kind of staggering muscle loss. We saw him at an award show for a movie he just did and he looked substantially smaller. We'll talk about why that is as well as some cool squat variations that we've seen going around the internet, one in particular that many of you might have an interest in adding into your training. We'll talk a lot about nutrition, specifically food costs and some of the recent data around where they're seeing the biggest increase in food costs

and how you can kind of effectively maybe shop healthier and not break the bank. All of us do our own shopping and have some tips and tricks for living healthy. We'll get into sports talking a little bit about some controversy in the NBA, as well as the recent assassination of Charlie Kirk. When we get to the politics stuff, I'm going to talk about that. We'll also talk a little bit about the general tone of the market,

some interesting comments from Howard Lutnik regarding Doge tariffs, and we will play a little game at the end. I hope you guys enjoy the episode. We're jumping right in with some listener questions. This one's from Chris BLDZ, and I like this one a lot, boys. Chris wants to know, if creatine for my kids, will you be giving any to your son? I have a son who is nine months old, or 10 months old now.

Holden's son is nine months old. Holden's other son, your other son's three. So we're probably a little bit too young to start with creatine supplementation. I will say, if you gave me like $100 to put a half a gram of creatine in my son's breast milk, I would absolutely do it. Based on the literature I've seen and what I think the safety profile is, I'm wondering, Holden, what is your risk analysis of this? Like, how much would I have to give you to get you to give your infant son creatine? A bag of chips.

It's an amino acid. It's pretty safe. A lot of the data is done on, you know, older adults, mainly and some teenagers. And it seems to be really safe across the board. I've given my son creatine, and he loves those creatine. The older ones. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is perfect.

I gave him creatine. was like one actually like one one one you've one half a creatine half i'm not you're like damn dude my pre-workout tastes like milk oh shit yeah and um yeah i think it's i think it's pretty safe and and i don't think there's just i don't personally from experience yes i i think i've seen a dramatic increase in lean muscle mass i think it made a difference oh my child three-year-year-old he's jacked oh really no no no but you know you need probably don't have to give your kids. I think it speaks to the safety profile, though.

I think that's a perfect example of the safety profile of creatine. That your kid, who's three, can be like, Daddy, I want one of your gummies. And you're like, yeah, you can fucking have one because that's how safe creatine is. It's like one gram, right? But it's a, it's effective. Yeah, it's a one gram dose. The creatine gummies that we're using have a single gram dose. Shout out Legion, sponsor the pod.

But you have this, this gummy drop. And what you're concerned about is that it includes the supplemental form of creatine. And I think it says a lot that you'll give one to your three-year-old and he's totally fine because it's fucking safe. And it does make sense. Like from a body weight adjusted dose, if you weighed like 45 pounds, a gram of creatine is probably like super good. That's exactly how I appreciate it. That's how I do it. Hudson's 40 pounds.

I give him 40 grams of protein every day. 40 grams of protein every day. One point five grams of creatine. He's eating one gram per pound. I feel that when you are a younger developing adult, like a young kid and you're literally growing every freaking day, like protein and creatine are probably fine given that we use them intentionally when we're trying to, like, grow tissue.

Yeah, they are little humans, like the same skeletal system at just different scale. So I think if you scale... I kind of like that question because it just speaks to the safety profile of the supplement that people who should not take reotene are people who, who have like existing liver and kidney issues or anybody whose physician says like hey based on this you know the prevalence of factors going on in your health you shouldn't but i think for most people it's fine i want to say i started taking creatine in like my junior year of high school so i was

pretty young which would be almost what seven 16 that sounds about right for me too so let's just round up and say it's been 15 years i've taken creatine most days like probably on a i if i'm being statistically like on the money i would say 5.9 days a week like almost six not seven because they're i even now still miss like totally it's so hard to get every single thing today i missed my it's such a danny i give 5.9 days a week sometimes 5.8 and 6 like dude i'm very certain about this i'm very certain about this i'm like you don't be a dishonest fuck you know it's not six days a week because you just missed one today i gave you guys 10 grams of creatine for being sleep deprived i've had zero you the other dude when football came on you

sent me a text and you were just like dude this is so special like we're maybe going to have like 43 more of these footballers in their lifetime like the guy the way this guy's brain works man like that's great thank you for telling me I'm gonna die in 43 years I just got severe anxiety actually I just thought

about your health history and you only have about 37 Sundays left buddy so you better hope the Raiders win yeah for every year they missed the playoffs they twindles by a year I proceed to get the underdog app

open and bet on every fucking thing because you're like I only have to I can only do this 47 I'm addicted to sports gambling because my friend told me I was going to die but yeah I think the safety profile of creatines there

all of us have probably used it consistently for 10 years, on and off, for 10 years. So I think it's a winner. Next question from AJ 945. I like this one a lot. This is based on, you guys can't see this if you're listening to the audio. You can't even see this if you're watching on YouTube because we're not going to put it up. But AJ has a picture of her face on the profile. She's female and she looks kind of on the smaller side.

And her question is calorie calcs tell me to eat 1,200 to 1,000. lose weight because I'm short. Is that really what I need? And I want to bring this up because one of the like big memes in fitness is like if you have a coach who tells you to eat 1,200 calories,

fire them. And like intuitively I hear that and I go, yeah, probably because like if you're an obese American, 1,200 calories is like way less than you need to lose weight. But if you're a really short woman, like 5-2 or under, and you're

sedentary, 1,200 calories a day might be a, like, a spot that lands you in a deficit where you actually see weight loss, and if you go much higher than that, it might just take forever. I don't know. You guys agree? Yeah. Yeah, I definitely agree. I have a client, she's not sedentary, though.

I mean, she lifts a few days a week, and it pisses me off because, like, I can only have a thousand calories running, lose weight. I'm like, that's not true. That's not true. I bet if you actually looked at how many calories you were eating throughout the week, you would see that on average you probably have maybe 1,800 to 2,000, maybe more. I don't know. That's a significant amount more than 1,200. Yeah, it is. And I think if you really look at it and you actually stick to 1,200, you're probably going to feel like shit. Most people are. Yeah. I think

that's a fact. No one's feeling good at 1,200 calories. Period. Being sedentary probably has them not feeling as much like shit, though. If this person were like super active as well, just because you're probably burning more calories, if you're more. active right if you're 100 has you in a larger deficit yes if you are super active and on 1200 you probably want to do you should reevaluate yeah you're probably not a that's a great point like if for shorter sedentary people that 1,200 calorie figure might make sense but the if you're sedentary yeah and the reason that at all of us recoil as trainers when we hear a 1,200 calorie recommendation especially for a woman is we train active women and we immediately go

yeah good luck yeah good luck you want to build muscle and you want some intensity in the gym that's definitely not going to cut it i don't even think you can chase around after your kids or just function energetically on 1,200 calories if you're training four or five days a week i think even if you're on the shorter side that that number needs to come up and if you're consistently like hitting 15 or 16 that's still pretty low but the like likelihood of you getting the vitamins and minerals you need from that extra 300 calories is huge totally my three-year-old probably has about around 1,200 calories if not more a day and i get it like that's an interesting way to frame really active really active growing a ton and it's it's it's it's it's definitely hard to compare

but i think it's a great comparison actually okay because you're like that like a growing three-year-old conceivably should not be eating less than an adult woman and like there are a of adult women who are exercising five days a week that might be eating less calories than their fucking kids. Yeah. And they're never going to sustain that and they're going to run into tons of issues

down the road. I think when it comes to like hormonal stuff and especially with women, especially with women, I think men can potentially get away with these lower calorie diets because they just have more lean mass and they're they're short, the straightoff from men

No, like the reproductive hormonal trade-off for men. I think we talked about this like two podcasts ago. From over-restrictive dieting, it's like a loss of libido. Right. And a difficulty maintaining an erection. Nobody laughed on that. I was actually, I'm proud of us. So, like, if you talk to a lot of natural bodybuilders who are, like, close to their show,

they're like, dude, I'm, like, I'm asexual. Nothing works down there. because their body is kind of like, you're too, like, about to die of starvation to reproduce. Right. And so, like, that's the male punishment. And, like, I think men can, like, endure not getting a boner. Well, like, and know that, like, I'll be all right.

But for women, it's like, you're going to potentially lose your menstrual cycle and disregulate your menstrual cycle. That can be problematic longer. And I think if you're diving into an overly restrictive diet, to Holden's point, the hormonal payback is, it could be something more serious, like losing your menstrual cycle or becoming dysregulated. I think people are obsessed with losing weight fast. And we have to realize that it takes a while to gain it.

It takes a while to lose it. And you're way better off trying for like one, maybe two pounds a week with AJ, if you're sitting on the couch all day, you're not using your brain a lot. maybe 1,200 calories might be that 300-ish calorie deficit that might make some meaningful change for fat loss. If you're doing anything remotely active, then I would recommend definitely more. I mean, I don't know your lifestyle, how tall you are, how much you weigh, but 1,200 seems awfully low. Yeah, I see the 1,200 and then, like, because I'm short, and to me it says, how should you

eat based on body type rather than, like, specifics to, like, what you have, to your point. activity level height weight like that does matter so maybe in the in the notes we can toss in like a calculator that's pretty accurate yeah i just science to be a little bit more helpful i just think if you are short it is very likely that you burn fewer calories than somebody who's taller than you and like short people especially shorter women have a harder time dieting well from but if you're going to use a calculator you need to get the activity multiplier right and you would have to be very short and very sedentary to have a deficit to have a maintenance calorie target below 1,200 or below whatever would land you at 1,200 is your target and just make sure that

is it saying 1,200 calories is your BMR? That's a great point. Do you know how many times people fuck that up? I'm sure they do a lot. It's not your total daily energy expenditure. Yeah, because no, that's not what it told her to lose weight. Totally. But what we're assuming is that what she's, she did say that the calc tells me to eat 1,200 to lose weight, but there are a lot of people who are going to go on to a calorie calculating website, and they are going to calculate their TDE, and it's going to be 1,500 calories a day. And of their TDE, 850 is BMR. Right. And the other three components of TDE are how much you move when you exercise, how much you move when you're not exercising and breaking down food. But like, basically,

Many people get the TDE number, their total calorie burn for the day, and they get the BMR number, and they just read the BMR number, and it's like 845, and they literally go, okay, I have to eat less than that. It's like, whoa, whoa, a lot of people actually use BMR as their target. Right. Wow. Not factoring anything. It isn't all that rare.

It's not super common, but there are so many people who use an online calculator and then report back to me things like, dude, BMAs. DMR 900 can't possibly eat less than that. And I'm like, yeah, you, you just got, you calculated the wrong figure. Right. Holden said something about losing weight really fast and everybody wanting to lose weight really fast and that being difficult. Somebody who did lose weight really fucking fast was Dwayne the Rock Johnson.

And this clip, not only this clip, you guys who are watching the pod will see this. If you're listening, you won't. But this clip of him here and that clip of him during the standing overall. ovation after this. Did you see that? Uh-uh. Okay, so he says getting this huge standing ovation. He's standing up, and he looks thin.

Yeah, he does look thin. And the internet rumors around the rock being thin were all over the place. Is he sick? Is he this? Is he taking Ozempic? I think, you already, you already hinder at what I think of it is. Yeah. I think we all might think it's the same thing, but did the rock really lose a lot of

body fat or did the rock just lose a ton of muscle mass? There's two main thoughts and it's like really sick but I don't know if he'd be out in public kind of doing this stuff if that was the case or possibly no longer sees the benefits of certain substances that might have

helped him look the particular way he did because he was a very large human. He's not safe. It literally looks like he's half the size. He's getting ready for a movie yeah and that's probably what it is. Or he might have just finished. I think he just finished filming him. Right. Okay. So Which, do you guys remember these actors, man.

For all we know, he's going to be the same size he, we know him as in like three months. He could put it all back on quickly. Do you guys remember Joker? Yeah. Walking Phoenix, Phoenix, the role he had to do. Oh, my God. Do you remember? Okay, the internet discourse around this was crazy because he was one of those people that's like,

I am going to embody the role of doing this. I'm going to get killed by the internet vegans for saying this. I actually have no problem with veganism, but like he was. vegan in the preparation for his role in that film and he was obviously vegan and in a tremendous state of calorie restriction

he looked awful and like sickly and like I just think the rock looks like he lost muscle I don't think he looks like sick or anything I'm just like bro's off the fucking antitral or something yeah he's admitted taking steroids before but he has okay

good that makes me feel so much better about at a younger age but then he says since then I've never done them. Okay, that seems unreasonable. But he's gotten bigger and bigger each year, even after doing steroids. But we can just assume the best. Yeah,

let's assume positive intent here from Dwayne Johnson. And also realize that a lot of these movie stars go to the absolute extremes and they're able to make these crazy body changes in such a short amount of time. Definitely not natty. Like, of course not.

You can't do any of that naturally. What superhero roles in Hollywood? are likely to have been enhanced by PEDs. The ones who say that all the guys, but which ones? Which ones? Let's go. We can go list by list.

I think we're in Avengers. Not Nanny. Not Nanny. I don't believe he's that. Chris Pratt for the different roles that he's played. I don't know, bro. It's Chris Pratt on the sauce? I'll pull up two pictures.

Okay. No, no, but like maybe. So I saw him in like Parks and Rec and he was a little bit tubby. That was his physique in that. And then you see him in like some of these like Guardians of the Galaxy and you're like, I did he's got some muscle now You know like How about that guy who

And I can't believe I can't think of his name right now He did a wrestling flick He had this big Zach Ephron Yeah Zach Ephron Definitely loses PEDs And this A lot of people in this space too

And then and then people Hugh Jackman for Wolverine Dude went But have you ever seen Have you ever seen the clip Of Hugh Jackman being pressed on steroids No Oh my God play the clip

Okay So He gets offended He gets very uncomfortable being pressed about it. And it's like, you must think we are so stupid, bro. Like, you must just think we are dumb because the way you look when you play Wolverine is so markedly different from the way you look when you play other roles. Everybody on earth would train the way you train for Wolverine because it's clearly

the most enhancing protocol ever. It's like those are the ones where I really see it. when someone's physique changes like insanely for a superhero role when they gain a ton of mass and they get tremendously lean uh i don't think ant man i think ant man is natty yeah there's some physique man's natty that could have been achieved i was actually just looking at the chris pratt one and that one looks achievable with just like some consistency there's no way that he in some time he i got to be maddie i mean like he it appears too it was just i remember the this transformation made.

I think the new Superman. I think the new Superman might have been Natty. New Superman. Old Superman. Oh, Henry Cavill, producer deck thrown in old Superman. Definitely not Natty. My opinion. That dude.

Henry Cavill. I don't know enough. I think Henry Cavill is definitely not. You think he saw. The Witcher and Superman, yeah, you're not Natty. But the new Superman at Liam Hensworth, Thor. Not Natty. Not Natty.

And it's obviously not Natty because Is he, online, it was like, oh, here's his workout program. That guy extremely worked extremely hard. Ten times harder than anybody else. He did 20 sets of arms to failure every day and grew muscle that much faster. But you think about it. And it's just not. There's a point of diminishing returns, right?

So that's like knowing what you know. That more doesn't equal more. What every trainer in the world would look at that program and be like, yeah, that's kind of shitty. But like the magazine, it's always the same. It's like the magazine. Chris Hensworth's incredible routine for Thor. And they interview the trainer. for me. I've never seen anybody work harder.

He was in here at 4 a.m. Always the hard work, bro. He was super setting every set. He was super setting with a bite of protein. He's the hardest working, most driven star in Hollywood. I've never seen anyone like it. And it's like, yeah. You're like, fucking taking steroids.

How come that's what Lance Armstrong was saying. Oh, yeah, dude. I just work harder than anybody else. Yeah, you're, you're fucking bledoping, buddy. Like, that's crazy. Is that like the phrase? That's like the ultimate. Yeah, you're for sure not that.

Like, I work harder than everybody else. Yeah. I get an immediate red flag when somebody is talking to somebody who's like very enhanced or conceivably enhanced and they're like so everybody wants to know what's your secret and they go well you know hard work fuck you if it's if your physique is so good that people ask you what your secret is you better answer was some modesty oh genetics you know luck like i've been doing it for 10 years whatever yes like a time just you know honestly it takes tremendous time the hard work thing sounds so corny that's just like you know it's just i'm way hard of working than everybody else and

it's like i hate that because i do think i think genetics are like the most under uh underappreciated component in this well yeah speaking of genetics and with dwayne johnson i hear that he lost for this roll, 60 pounds. Okay. That looks like more than that. But he's lean as fuck, so a lot of that was muscle. That is a lot of weight, though. And if a lot of its muscle, I want to know in this small time frame,

it just doesn't make sense for how you can lose that much muscle unless you were enhanced before. I think that makes the most sense. Or you just got locked up an award somewhere where you couldn't eat anything at all. And you just had to just start yourself. And estrogen patch. This stuff just isn't like achievable natural. truly like this jane johnson's humongous and a few months later he looks like that what's going on here

doesn't make sense we're going to share a little squat uh variant that's been making the rounds for those of you who are listening to the audio uh probably going to be a tough follow but this you could do on a cable machine this you could do on a smith machine i've seen this two different ways it's basically a squat where you put the bar if you're driving in the car listening or if you don't have the YouTube in front of you. Imagine you put the bar right where you would to do a hip thrust, like right up on your kind of hip pocket area, front pocket area, and you descend into a squat. You're in a standing position and you're like descending into the squat with the bar directly on top of like your quads, like the highest point of your quads. And this one's been

going around. I've seen it a few different places. I'm always down for new quad stuff because it seems to be like what can you fucking do for quads squat lunge leg press leg extend there's like a very limited library which kind of sucks because all the you can do all the quad exercises are hard i think really with the exception of the leg extension i don't know how many people want to load their spine as they like get older even too that's a good point this would be a fun that's a dumb idea this would be a really good one agree but like at some point the juice ain't worth a squeeze for a lot of people and that's just like the reality it's not to say you should stay away from perception and maybe some i don't know i think you should load your spine if you don't

you're a pussy yeah i'm talking about like a barbell squat specific okay yeah but like a hexbar deadlifts loads the fuck out of your spine here that was like maximal range of motion clearly axial loading yeah is what this is called this is the douchy way to describe it in wellness fitness space i mean the sports science is sports science what do you have a degree in sports science okay peter teacher shut the fuck up um you put the bar on your shoulders your back you know that is called axial loading why because your spine is getting squished from the top down that why like i could conceivably be like see people when they're like 80 being like bro with this chicken skin that fucking nerling on that bar

it just bugs the shit out of my neck i'm not vibing it like that the barbell squat feels like shit, can I do, like, a hexbar deadlift? That still loads your spine, but not in that, like, same axial way, I guess. Right. That's cool. But, like, I genuinely would not recommend trying to age without loading your spine. You're going to have a hard time, the South Park meme. Yes, yes. You want to load your spine.

You want to be, you want your spine to be resilient. You're very adaptive. So stay strong, stay resilient in the back. And, yeah, if barbell squads hurt, yeah, you definitely, or they don't feel good. you definitely don't have to do them. But those joints are just like any other joint. It's like, yeah, I don't want to do a lateral raise because my shoulder, I can't load it too much, you know.

I don't. It's kind of the same thing. Why would I avoid anything, really? I mean, if I can tolerate it, right, to an extent and just build off of that a little bit each time, you're going to really benefit from that. Yeah, I think that one of the things that helped me the most, because you guys have known historically, I have the lamest back of the three of us. I have the back problems.

I'm watching you do heavy-ass load. I can do things and what seems to never cause my back problems are these axial loaning exercises. It is actually very rare that I squat or that I deadlift and that I go, yep, that was what did it. That really increased my perceived back pain. As somebody who has like non-specific low back pain, probably disc-related low back pain, what flares it up is sitting like really deep in my couch and what weirdly and what what what gives my spine the resilience against that like why I can now sit in these like relatively not the best chairs in a way that I couldn't is like doing the spinal loading and like like getting to a place where it's like wow you know

my back's been uncomfortable so I'm not doing the squats and the dead lifts that's fine but as it starts to feel better i actually feel like the squats and the deadlifts are one of the best like litmus tests for am i actually getting back to the strength i need like if you're doing those again without pain that's a great barometer for it and i do think we should probably want a society where most adults can do a barbell squat or a barbell deadlift with a relatively challenging amount of weight given their immediate physical capacity right it would be good for people to be able to do those lifts not or lifts exactly like that because they are I hate to use the term functional but those are two things that if you cannot do them bendovers come squat them down

well those movements are like functional for what those people need like at a more advanced age if you hurt your they're efficient these people aren't going to spend you know our 65 year old clients aren't going to spend like five hours in the gym they come see us twice a week sort of thing and we make it efficient and maximize their time in the gym and their bodies respond in particular way. And back to Danny's point on,

you know, having, you know, a weaker back or tweaking the back or more sensitive back, I know that you're really happy that you don't avoid these lifts. I know you're really happy

that you're fit and your back is strong because if your back isn't strong and you hurt it, you're probably going to be out a lot longer. I've watched this guy for like two days be like, yeah, and then he's right back to doing things. Yeah,

but it's usually because, because I'm like I got to move through I got to move through this I got to get to a place where like that I manage the pain and like a lift like the one we're analyzing here we've kind of gotten away from it we're going to come back to it that would be a good option for me if I'm like dude my back is a little bit guarded today but I want to blast my fucking quads I'm normally going to go to lunges but I could do a squat like movement with a with a loading scheme like that and really not feel any compression or any strain or any of those uncomfortable feelings that I feel in my low back when it's flared up.

And I think that's why you'll probably be doing these lists forever because you listen to the box. That's one that when I see it, I'm like, I hope I can remember to try this. It makes a lot of sense. It's cool that like the bar is further away from your knee joint and it's not loading your back. It's like the longest moment arm. manageable right without being on your back yeah and if you had a cable you could do that with a cable

yeah you can you could hold it up right in between your crotch and put a straight bar over the front and do something similar yeah we should try that set up yeah i think that's a cool one okay diving into some nutrition specific topics i thought this was fascinating because uh if you really want to make america healthy again you know what you fucking do find a way to lower these insane food prices i am going to share with you some data from august of 2024 to august of 2025 and i want to remind you about august of 20204 i was about two months before an election that largely swung on the cost of shit especially food okay right since august of 2004 the cost of eating in general is up 3.2%

Eating at home is up 2.7%. You want to go to the grocery store and buy some protein, especially things like meat, poultry, eggs, and fish. That's up 5.6%. Fruits and vegetables, a full 2%. Dairy-like products, another 1.5%. The lowest bump is cereals and breads, which are not inherently bad,

but people probably need more of all the other stuff. I posted on my Instagram Have you guys seen These increased prices When you go to the grocery store I got so many fucking DMs Care to guess the top Three foods that everybody mentioned

I don't want to say everybody but I got three Yeah beef is one coffee Yeah beef and coffee one and two Bananas or bananas Beef Coffee Coffee fish I don't buy a lot of fish

but I forgive we have access to fresh seafood The egg is right there So a lot of people who live in parts of America Where they get their stuff shipped in The cost of getting it shipped in is higher On these like big proteins and so I thought that was kind of fascinating Because fish, beef and coffee are things that

With the exception of recently on the coffee I'm consuming every day or everywhere right and i do the shopping in my house you use shopping in your house you do a lot of the shopping in your house we go to the grocery store which is atypical for men in their 30s typically we're like grocery idiots you know like if you pull the average male 30 year old and we're like how much does it cost to buy one gallon of milk maybe like i don't know two bucks 10 bucks like there's but like there isn't like historically when you, if you asked like women what the average cost was of items in the grocery store, you'd get a lot closer to that.

They'd have a better idea. Because they did more in the shopping up until more recently. But like, I have definitely noticed, even though I am lazy and I order a lot of my groceries online, just when I get to like the end, I'm like, oh, shit, it's $250 or $300. And normally it's not that high. So you guys have also noticed this trend. Totally. Sometimes at like Costco, it's like harder to notice because everything is like more in bulk.

so it's like you already know you're going to be spending more so I'm not necessarily keeping the receipts but you also are buying for like more than one occasion maybe in multiple weeks at a time there are individual items but even that's up when they have plenty of beef there plenty of fish there like stuff is expensive yeah when something's under $10 and I know what it costs though I tend to notice when it changes like if something goes from 399 to 799 I'm gonna be like that seems weird for like a box of this yeah what is like the weird is like the weird like price increase you guys feel like you've seen all that i have a very strong take on this strongest i'm trying to think about like are you just talking about since liberation day or are you talking

about it's more specific to like grocery shopping where you like i have to okay this this isn't what it used to be and wow that who would pay that for this i have that that's what i'm this little tiny bit of coffee the other day it was like 1399 Jesus. Get fucked. Do you like coffee from Brazil? Get fucked because their president tried a coup. And now you have a 50% to have that.

It's like, hey, all you millennials, you know, just don't go out and buy coffee at Starbucks. It's fine. Don't drink my coffee from Indiana. Yeah, seriously. It's like coffee from Starbucks is becoming cheaper. Not been buying coffee.

The fucking stupid. It's closer to being like worth it. No, dude, because of the tariffs on India and all, India where we get all the spices. And every other country that actually provides coffee, whether it's Vietnam, Brazil is a huge, a lot of these Latin American countries where we have tariffs, plus the flat 10% tariff rate. It doesn't really matter what you think like the country's tariff rate is.

It is 10% plus whatever it is because there's a universal. I guess the pumpkin spice latte is like the most expensive it's ever been. That's crazy. Oh, yeah, it is high demand, brother. White women will be in the streets soon enough if these prices can be. continue to climb on key foundational issues. I regularly remind people that pumpkin spice lattes are a terrible choice nutritionally, and I'm always met with people that are just like, sincerely, sir, I do not give a fuck

that it is 400 calories. I would like you to eat a dick and leave me alone. I'm going to have one every day for the next three months. So I think some of this is actually kind of fascinating how the prices have gone up on some of these issues specifically relative to the tariffs. I have an interesting read on tariffs for you guys. I think it's in the show notes for another episode

but I want, I need you guys to hear this because I think it was the same one, bro. I tweeted this recently I was listening to go to the six to David Frum on the bulwark talking to Tim Miller. And for those of you who don't know, David

from is, used to be a speech writer for Bush, but I'm not going to be able to fucking find the quote because my phone's super slow and I'm lazy. But he was talking about effectively how much money the U.S. has brought in from this tariff policy. And I feel like

if people actually knew this shit, if people knew this, they'd be so pissed about the tariffs. Okay, so the no tax on tips. You ready for this? Okay. Again, if every person in America knew this, I found it. If every person in America knew this,

Or did this math? Oh my God, I'm so fucking pissed. In the new Trump tax bill, we get no tax on tips. Care to guess how much that's going to save taxpayers in the next decade? 2%. A much smaller amount. $32 billion. Oh, wow.

Middle class tax cut. Tax cut. American tax cut. $32 billion. Back in the hands of hardworking Americans. Sike, get fought. You ready for this? Just in August, Trump's tariffs brought in 31.

$1.4 billion. I know what you're thinking. Hell, yeah, more money for America. Who pays tariffs, boys? They're consumer. That's right, you know, that's right. That means that one month of these fucking tariffs has cost Americans the exact amount they're going to save on the no tax on tips.

Here's the thing. We have this tariff policy until we don't, until either the Supreme Court spares Donald Trump and says we're getting rid of this because it's unconstitutional. and dumb, which would be the best thing for him because it would give him the ability to be like, well, anything that happens after this is their fault. My thing was working. And it was great, you know,

which is exactly probably what he would like to have happen. That sounds like verbatim. But imagine you're hyped about no tax on tips. And again, to accrue these safe tax savings, you need 10 years of tax reductions on your tips. And in one month, just the increase on your cost of goods and services has eclipsed that. Right. Well, and also like on the no tax on tips in that bill.

That is unbelievable. That's like the no tax on tips is solely on cash tips, right? I don't know. I don't know. I'm pretty sure that it could be. I know that somewhere. I mean, there's a ton, there's a ton of rules for that too. Like there's a cap on it.

And if you file jointly, there's, it's just like not, it's a night. It's a little tax cut. it is but completely you're spending overwhelmingly more money throughout the year for that tax cut to not really make that big of a dent in your wallet let's that's what you're saying the totality of what you will save after 10 years of the trump bill that includes no tax on tips

is 32 billion dollars for the american taxpayer as i understand it one month of tariffs generated 32 billion dollars of tariff revenue that was all paid by americans meaning every month just the cost of living here because of these tariffs costs americans more than they will save from the totality of no tax on tips which is why people should fucking read shit sometime hate to say it but this is kind of a big cell phone yeah because you know who gets the most fucked by this we do people who don't make tips Because guess what?

You didn't get a tax cut. You don't experience any of that. Or people, what about the overtime tax cut? That's not. Whatever you were looking forward to, whatever you stood to gain, whatever element of the Trump tax cut you thought you were going to benefit from. The amount you are paying for shit because of tariffs wipes it the fuck away. How about the extra $200 for child care?

Right off. You had a $200 child care right off? Well, it was like $2,000. Oh, the child tax credit. Now it's $2,200. Yes. Which is a joke. Negligible.

I honestly feel like the most... It's all just... The most radical, I think progressive, middle-class tax policy imaginable would just be like, now the child tax credit's $10,000. Kids are so fucking expensive. How much does it cost to send a kid to daycare in California? Isn't it like, what, three-year? knows the answer to this question are you comfortable are you comfortable doing this math yeah so

three grand a month goes goes to daycare for two kids and i'm getting like you know i'm having my friend's wife no no no let's just let's assume both kids go to one daycare if both kids that's what i want to know i want i want people to understand like so it'd be 3 700 dollars a month yeah so imagine you don't live in California and you're like, yeah, I got $200 increase on my child tax credit. That's cool. I pay $3,700 a month in child care. It's insignificant. And I do think that, like, yes, it is not the case that all parents pay California daycare prices, but no parent anywhere in America is going to be thriving with a $200 increase on the child tax credit. It needs to be way bigger. And I think we talk all the time in this country about how we're going to

find ways to give the ultra-rich reduced tax liability. These guys are driving the fucking economy. We need to give them a tax break. They give us all the jobs. Dude, what about the fucking hardworking blue-collar men and women in America who are breaking their back and they

never get a fucking tax cut? And they have kids. And you could give them a better tax cut because they have those kids. And I know it's not fair to people who do, but kids put pressure on you to perform and to bring home the bacon. And we always find a tax cut for rich people. It's abhorrent that we have not expanded the child tax credit.

We're not incentivizing. Minimum. And I think you could say $7,500 if you have a child who is in their first two years. What the fuck better investment could you make as a government than into the pocketbooks of people who just had a child, who need to plan education, who need to plan daycare, who need to plan diapers? want to make America healthy again? Invest in a child when they are at their absolute youngest, when they need their parents to be the most by their side

to provide like a soft, stable, emotional core with a good attachment style and probably way less prevalence of anxiety and depression and mental illness and all the stuff plaguing kids. We need more incentives to have kids in this country. Young families are getting buried by these, you know, care costs, these child care costs, and if you're spending $50,000 a year on child care, no wonder you can't afford a goddamn house.

No wonder you can't afford these foods, these healthy foods for your kids and your family that are rising at a pretty quick rate. I think there's a big problem with that, and that's one reason why our country's broken. Thousands of dollars a month in child care for nobody to be able to spend meaningful time with their kids. Thousands of dollars a month in health care for nobody to be able to have meaningful. meaningful, palpable health to get care right when they need it or to get anything preventative and a housing market that is so unbelievably locked up, you're stuck where you're at and you can't

afford anything. Those problems right there. Those are real problems. Child care, health care, housing. That is the whole ballgame. That is also the most unappreciated component of health. If you go to the gym every day, you eat super healthy, you're taking care of all your shit. but your health care is wobbly and you have an emergency fucked your housing situation is wobbly

that is so difficult for your stress your child care situation is all over the place that is so bad for your stress it's actually hard to be healthy if you don't have those like foundational needs met and i would imagine that almost everybody under 35 in america and everybody under 20 That's why Gen Z is so, I think, revved up. And we're going to talk about Gen Z and how revved up they are when we get to Charlie Kirk. But, yeah, I just think you can't have a great mental health nationwide if everybody stressed about housing, health care. Or you're working your ass off to essentially go nowhere. And that is extremely frustrating.

Yeah, you can't put roots down. And therefore stressful. Yeah, and then we have people talking about, you know, millennials need to, you know, wake up, they need to work harder. Stop buying coffee. Starbucks coffee. They need to stop doing this or that or whatever. And it's like the person who's usually saying that is someone a lot older than us,

who could potentially be part of the reason why we're in this position we're in now. Yes, thank you person who's hoarding all the housing supply. When I stopped buying my $7 lattes, the million dollar homes around me became $425,000 homes and the interest rates plummeted. And now I have multiple homes just like you. All I had to do is stop buying coffee every day. I hate I hate housing advice from boomers it's trash it's tragic but they can't help it they can't help it because because they're you know what they are right about to pull yourself

up by your bootstraps and work hard totally but what's a very big conservative view too which personal responsibility yeah personal responsibility we live it every day but having your wife be at home you know your wife being supported by the breadwinner the man who's you know out there you know just making it happen and if you're not the man who makes that happen you're a beta And there's something wrong with you. You're a loser and you're not, you know, you don't deserve it. Like, yeah. Yeah, there is a message for people like us because we're just trying to kind of do the things

that maybe our parents didn't do for us. And we're trying to maybe change a trajectory in the next generation and be involved in our kids with our kids. I don't want to be fucking at work all day. It's almost. I want to hang out with my kids in the afternoon. I want to hang out with my kids on the weekends. And I don't want that all that extra stress that comes from the baggage that we have now

in this generation. Yeah. I mean, I think you run the, we're going to talk about young men. If you're raising a young man or you have a boy at home, I don't know if the parenting style of the 1950s and 60s of, like, dads out of the house all day, bringing home the bacon, and he comes through the door at 6 o'clock, and he wants a beer or a cigarette, and he wants dinner on the table, and he's going to watch his shows,

and he doesn't want to be bothered. How many moms want to stay at home with their kids all day? None. None. Fucking done. My wife stays at home with my son all the time She says a wonderful job You want to know what she says a minute I get home

I'm dying to get out of the house Every time I'm dying to get out of the house And that makes a lot of sense And like the other thing too is women also See the value in education And working and want to have As ambitious as they've ever been

But they don't face the manufactured social barriers That men have put in place forever So they're going out there doing their shit And it's probably the case That to make it work in America both people need to do their shit and with kids I do think it helps to have the dad play a larger role this is probably a gentle segue but like Wednesday of this week we watched the horrific political assassination of Charlie Kirk it's now Saturday and we've had a little bit of time for things to

calm down I think that intensity after it happened was in this just like so palpable like you could feel it like the weather was fucking weird everything felt weird it just very heavy but now we know quite a bit about the young man who murdered Charlie Kirk

and I think everybody on Wednesday was quick to jump into this partisan he's this he's that because Charlie Kirk is an icon of the right this attack was clearly done by some savage radical person on the left

and in America statistically it is always likely that the person who perpetrates some crazy act of violence with a gun is a Caucasian male under 30 with a mental illness full stop straight up like don't believe me you're fucking watching this on your phone all the data says that ask chat GPT

what percentage of firearm fatalities that are considered a school shooting or considered a mass shooting, like these lone wolf type shootings are disproportionately done by a mentally ill Caucasian person. I know what the gun violence statistics say about black people and what they say about our inner cities. To me, this feels like a different problem.

Lone wolf acts of violence, specifically what this would be called. I think you could call this political violence unequivocally. I know Charlie Kirk is not an elected official, but he got Donald Trump elected. Without Charlie Kirk, there is no Trump 2024. He does not win. He was as close to Donald Trump as any political operative I can really think of.

And, yeah, there's just this stuff, no matter what you think about his politics, who he worked for, what he worked to the change he worked to create, this kind of stuff makes us all less safe. Because it means we can't transact and share ideas and debate and fight with our words. We end up turning to violence, which means the voices that you like could also face retaliatory violence. And that is just a huge race to the bottom. And I think, you know, four days late, we're getting together to talk about it.

Where are you guys at on things now? Yeah, obviously political violence is not acceptable. And as much as it happens on both sides, I think. think now is not really the time to be quick to blame who did what i know that the washington street journal decided to come out the very next day with a saying that these clips were of transgender ideology yeah they found the casings the boy casings anti-fascist ideologies and it's just like man like shame on them for posting that so fast right because i think right away they they like the division and they want to and and maybe the leader this guy uh murdoch

the leader of the Wall Street Journal who also runs Fox News and he probably benefits really highly on keeping us divided and spreading this type of stuff. I did actually, did you guys read the bullet casing reporting? Yeah, I did. The now accurate ones rather than the jump to conclusion ones? Chow Bella Chow, which allegedly is an anti-fascist, Italian song, something to that effect.

And I do think it's reasonable for people when they hear the term anti-fascist to think of the left. I get that. The other bullet casing had a, hey fascist catch. The second, third bullet casing had, if you can read this, you're gay, which certainly does not code trans, certainly codes, I think, more right of center or even Groyper. And a lot of people, I think if you are unfamiliar with the political depths of, of the left and the political depths of the right. Like, if you're not, like, we are all terminally online.

Like, we pay tremendous close attention. We see the loudest crazies on the left and the loudest crazies on the right. And we also know that 90% of Americans don't identify with any of that. And I would go so far as to say they don't even fucking know these communities exist. No shot. They don't. But, like, Groyper's are people on the right who effectively would have thought Charlie Kirk was two in the middle. to in the center not radical he's not pushing hard enough against those fucking jews he's not

xyz he needs to get us the epstein files whatever it may be right there is a section of the right that is very very certain charlie kirk is too moderate right and there is a chance that this kid as much a chance that this kid belong to that community as he did anything on the left And because we're sitting here four days later, still scratching our heads, I think we have to examine, like, there's a term called salad bar extremism. I heard this on the Making Sense, not, yeah, Making Sense podcast. And basically this came from Christopher Ray, who used to be the FBI director, and it's this idea that kids go online, and it's like a salad bar.

And they grab a little bit of this and a little bit of that and a little bit of this a little bit of that and before you know it you have a fucking worldview that looks incoherent, random and stupid. Definitely not realistic. And like you know what I'm talking about. Like when you send somebody to the buffet and they come back like, what the hell is that? The most random

cacophony of what looked good. What looks good to 22 year old men on the internet is terrifying. And like this person could have absolutely harbored extremist ideology from both sides of the spectrum, which I think should should really cause Americans to take pause and be like if I lean to the center or to the

left of center or right of center what beliefs do I have that are pulling me to the fringe and can I cut those or can I soften those or can I check those because those are the ones that I think are living inside of these people and festering and becoming violence we need to look at these age groups of people who are doing this too I mean the same day and I know Charlie Kirk kind of took the headlines here, but a few children were shot at school. Again, in Colorado, by a 16-year-old. It was a 16-year-old kid. You know, like, this is a child who is not nearly developed enough to make any decisions.

Definitely shouldn't have his hands on a firearm. What do you guys think about the idea that parents whose children acquire a firearm and go to school and do something? They should be held liable too. I think so, too. They should definitely be held liable. You got to understand what your kids Conservatives should love that. That's part of being a parent.

That's part of what's being a parent, right? You know exactly what your kids up to, where their views are. Where are the fucking time? Where are the parents? Where are the parents? Well, look at this guy. Well, this kid's parents were cops and his mom was taking him to gun events and taking pictures of him. Like large artillery guns.

Should that? Just like a handgun. Dude, I honestly, I think that kids, I don't like Charlie Kirk. I don't like a fucking thing he said. I agree ideologically with most of the stuff he said. unequivocally want to condemn all physical and extreme heinous political violence He did not deserve that

No, absolutely not. Nobody deserves it. Nobody. You know who does deserve some fucking real trouble And who does deserve to have some fucking repercussions? The mother and the father of this child Who went up there on that roof and shot him. If the photographs I saw of that kid At these events with these guns

Are in fact real And I think they are I'm kind of mad at this woman for, you know, inciting it. Not inciting it, but raising her son in this gross gun culture. And then, like, him growing up to do something fucking crazy with a gun. I'm like, you know what? Maybe it was that you let him hold guns designed for fucking killing the shit out of people when he was a child. And normalized that for him.

And when he doesn't have a fully developed prefrontal cortex and he has an insane, already well-developed fetishized relationships with firearms that he might go do what all 22 year old males are liable to do something fucking stupid and reckless i think that the parents should absolutely be somewhat liable for this totally and look here's where it's tricky he's 22 right if he were 17 fucking send him straight to jail and i don't like charlie kirk i don't want to defend charlie kirk but if a minor in your home takes a gun and does something with it it is a parenting failure, period. And it needs to be addressed.

That's not responsible gun ownership, but you also hear from the right, too. That is not responsible gun ownership. Look, I think if somebody, what if, yeah, I don't know, I think that's a great point. I think this is a time to come together and remember a few things here, you know? Like, number one is we're all humans.

And regardless of our political views, there's no reason to, there's no reason for anything like this to happen. I think we all want safer neighborhoods. I think we all want safer schools. I think we all want a chance, a fair chance at life and I think we all contribute

to this stuff as a whole right and I think that we have way more in common than we do not and we need to remember that in order for us to move forward with this and not have a terrible disruption happen in our country with this division that's going on right now

with these videos I'm seeing online of people calling for civil war and people calling for wanting to kill people the same person who says shame on you they want like a public execution of the kid well also too they want someone to blame like so bad like i think it's important using wednesday's like incident for example to realize that these are the actions of like one disturbed individual and again act like acting alone

solely this is not like a premeditated orchestrated professional hit by the opposing side political party like that's not at all we can't be blaming yeah millions of people when this was just one particular look at the appetite people have to be mobilized this is in huntington beach these are a group of white guys Who could by the way You could not look Any fucking cornea Then

I agree I hated Whose streets are street White man power Yeah White man power This makes the gay pride parade Look like the straightest thing

I've ever seen in my fucking life This is Charlie Kirk got shot Me and the boys are going out White men power what oh god he was shot by white guy jesus christ pack it up boys we look stupid like you look so fucking dumb like i was holding i love what you're saying we need to come together it's there is no place for the men in this country who are baiting it no they want it no they're waiting for it's still a

small and they beg for it hopefully small it is it is it is small but it is annoying it is pathetic it is weak it's very weak it's very dangerous it's it's very ignorant it's I mean, these people, like you were saying, they're not looking at statistics. They don't like to read. They just like to jump too fucking. They did not even wait until the end of the evening to go out and start chanting white supremacist ideology in the streets of Huntington Beach because they were so personally victimized by the death of Charlie Kirk. I think that these people are dangerous. The same way I think that people on the left who are dancing on his grave are obnoxious and sinned.

and nasty and gross and taking this moment to charge things up, that's what this is too. Yeah, it's just as a certainty that us white men are under attack and this is our moment. The call is coming from inside the house, buddy. If he wasn't in jail, he'd probably have been out there with them. That looks like what this kid might have been into. I'll go out on a limb and correct it if we learn more later, but I think that, that um this is another like kyle written house situation to me as well it's not in there are elements of the two that are similar but we'll just close with the blanket condemnation of all

political violence it's never good absolutely no matter who it is okay we're going to finish with something that i thought was kind of interesting we're you guys remember doge yeah uh Howard Ludnik who is many is lovingly called by some people Howard butlick credible nickname also Howard Howard nutlick not mean it is really hard to not bullied as a kid for sure potentially um so he said this is he's he is one of the two kind of chief financial guys running trump schick it's it's scott best and Howard lutnik he basically was like yeah doge was backwards and it was ass and it didn't work. He said that the emphasis of reducing government headcount instead of targeting government waste fraud and abuse was a mistake. Doge is still operating on most of Musk's

allies have stepped back. The mission is now shifting to cost savings over firings. Observation on Musk's approach, Lutnik claimed that Musk drew from his experience at Twitter, where staff cuts were a hallmark, but the government strategy is backwards. So, basically, Trump's economic people are saying that Doge was a massive failure. Every economist is saying that Doge is a massive failure. It is currently, yes.

And according to an Axios poll, Elon Musk is the least popular person in Texas, which is astounding, considering Jerry Jones lives there. You imagine? You're less popular than the guy who traded Mike Parsons. And in the state where, you know, they're happy that how the presidency went.

Yeah. Nobody got you, Donald Trump used Elon Musk like a condom. Yeah. He got absolutely fucked by this. I mean, I understand Tesla has really repaired its actual shareholder value. It had gone through some pretty considerable ebbs and flows. But I do think Elon Musk did irreparable. reputation damage to get Trump elected and effectively lose the EV tax credit that made Tesla

super viable. And in getting Trump elected, Trump's big beautiful bill is so regressive on energy policy. It's so focused on coal and fossil fuels and not on EVs. It kind of like almost hands the EV market to China and Europe who don't have these trade embargoes. So like BYDs and all these amazing Chinese EVs are just going to proliferate in Europe who hates Elon Musk as well. Right. Because Elon Musk didn't necessarily ingratiate himself to most of Europe getting Trump reelected. Right. And then showing up with that like neo-Nazi party. Yeah, that's not really great. Yeah, great call back to the ATF. And he definitely didn't help

with some of his commentary about Ukraine, Russia, even though he did give Ukraine some Starlink capabilities. I think that I just I look at what happened with Musk and I just think to myself like man the hubris to not think that the ultimate user and abuser would do that to you to think like I'm sure he thought I'm so much technically more intelligent than Donald Trump he could impossible use me I'm Elon Musk I'm like a genius like I'm not stupid but it's like no maybe you maybe you don't understand Machiavellianism well enough but Trump is going to get your ass like dude it just added to like the uns seriousness of everything we've seen this far uh because it generally just felt like people you know who don't have any merit or experience in the jobs that they're now heading final spin on on that too there's this club that opened in dc i forget what it's called but they were having a birthday from for scumath the uh we all know our boy chamath poli hopatio the all in pod so they're having his birthday And I guess Scott Bessent, Trump's only gay cabinet member.

He's like also Trump's big like fifth city. I want to beat everybody up cabinet member. He does want to punch everyone in Congress on the face. He's trying to punch everyone in Congress on the piece. Our boy the mortgage guy, Bill Pote. He's coming out. I guess they're at this event. And he said like, I'm going to take you outside and beat your ass or something.

He's like going to punch him square in the face. I brought this up because of Scott Besson apparently punched Elon Musk's face. did he really there was reporting on this that they got in a pretty large shouting match is that when he got that black eye that was he said his five-year-old did it allegedly allegedly so i don't know guys i think that's actually a great place to leave it unless you guys have any closing remarks i think we we covered an awful lot today again just political violence is bad for everybody and no matter what you have to say about someone or what you disagree with them on you should feel inclined to use your words, not weapons.

Yeah, monitor your tone. Like, be soft with your approach. Like, this is going to take some healing for sure. And definitely more violence is not the answer. All right, guys. Well, if you enjoyed the episode, be sure to stay tuned. Hit subscribe. Leave a five-star rating and review.

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