Dynamic Dialogue with Danny Matranga - 410: Quitting GLP-1's, Strength vs. Mass, RFK + "MAHA", Protein Products + MORE!

Episode Date: September 26, 2025

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Welcome in everybody to another episode of the Progressive Overload Project. As always, I'm your host, Danny Matranga, joined by co-host Matt Lakoko and Holden King. Today we're diving into fitness, nutrition, culture, politics, a little bit of everything. We're kicking it off with a listener question regarding GLP1 use, long-term GLP1 use, and whether or not there are any coherent strategies for actually discontinuing GLP1 use if you're ready to stop. We'll talk about the relationship between muscle size and strength and why some bodybuilders look like they would be much stronger than they are,

how this relates to women's training, all kinds of things. Holden's brought a great clip. We're going to react to that clip live on air. Nutritionally, we're talking quite a bit. about Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., and some of the changes going on, both related to food supply, food supply changes. We've talked on the show before about Coca-Cola,

as well as food dyes, but today we'll be diving into some of the more recent things, what he said about mitochondrial dysfunction, vaccinations, Tylenol. We'll also talk about the high-protein trend that you see in every grocery store all over Costco, all over almost any product you can buy now. Why protein is all the rage, the protein products we do and don't like, before we dive into things you can do at home with your partner that are, or either with your kids that are health promoting or good for your mental health, things that you like to do, we like to do to just disconnect and kind of vibe with our families, with our friends, things that we think are good pro-social behavior.

We'll have some sports takes. We've also got some fun stuff regarding AI. little Epstein list. We're going to talk a little CDC and some of the stuff going on with ice. So I hope you guys enjoy this episode. We're going to kick it off with a listener question from C. Falwell 0707. And his question is advice for weaning off a GLP1. So before we dive in, none of us are doctors. This is a medical advice. Don't take it seriously. We don't want to be liable, but I do think all of us understand health, fitness, fat loss, and these medications very well.

And if you are taking these medications under the supervision of a physician, which you should be, you can totally share this with them and see what they think. And if they agree, do that. So what I would like to start off with is we're all coaches and trainers, and we all have clients who have used GOP-1s. I think that is something that most people, you're probably not going to hear. a whole lot from um i think we all think they're generally net positive but i like the idea of being able to discontinue them i just don't think that's really super simple or maybe how they're

intended to be used any when people get prescribed these medications they typically have a long-term plan in place because 80% of people get off these gain their weight back or gain a lot of it back okay and a lot of that is like neurobiological like what's happening in your brain some people have more susceptibility to eating more and a lot of these food that the food hunger the food noise uh it comes back right so that's the natural failure rate of diets like 80 so it would make sense most people will fail i'm always curious how much like about it is behavioral too because this is clearly like an aesthetic thing people want to like lose weight like and for overall health too sure but like when you don't change your behavior outside just getting

on this drug with your physician, then like when you get off of it, your behaviors are the exact same and led to the exact same results as prior to you getting on the GLP1. Well, your behaviors that your brain is more likely to go back to. Components that you were definitely like referring to too, too. I think you're both right. And I think another point is they, these things make it easier to do the stuff behaviorally that you want to do. Right.

And to disengage behaviorally from the stuff, you know, you shouldn't do. Especially things like compulsive snacking, binge eating, and binge drinking. I actually have a client right now who is a bigger dude. He's not using a GLP1. And we're trying to increase his, like, nighttime satiety because that's when he's, like, most prone to eat a lot of calories and drink alcohol. And I was like, I even said, hey, man, like, this dude actually is a physician. He's a surgeon. I was like, what's your receptivity to GLP once?

He's like, I'm trying not to. I was like, is that like a pride thing? I don't know. It's not. I don't really even care. I was just like, dude, that's cool. Because it's honestly, the amount of weight this guy wanted to lose is very reasonable. And he seems like super straightforward and cool about it.

Like, he's not against. He's just like, no, I think I got this. And he was super clear, like, my problems just so happen to fall into these categories. Usually nighttime overconsumption of calories, which is super common. and booze. And again, those are the behaviors that, like, strategically, I was like, we want to eliminate these two behaviors. And what I had to do to try to help him do this, I gave him more fiber at night.

I identified he wasn't eating enough fiber. So I said, I want you to have 20 grams of fiber with dinner, half your daily need with dinner. So you get your big fiber hit right at night. And I want you to probably pair that with, like, a large serving of protein. Like whatever you need for the day, let's say it's 180, and you divide that 45, 45, 45, 45, 45, 45, 45, 45, 45, 45, 45, 45, you want, I want 20 grams of protein, 45 grams of fiber within two hours of when you want to go to sleep or, like, one hour around before that binge, if you were, if you didn't have that strategy, if you didn't have support, and you use one of these medications, the likelihood of you not engaging with binging and overeating and over drinking, go, way up without any effort i do think they naturally kind of guide people into making good decisions and and i think that can stick around because maybe you gain awareness you're like holy shit dude like i lost hell of weight when i stopped snacking it's like so fucking clear to me now how many times

you've heard that with tracking once i realized they once i started tracking being honest with the tracking to this is why if you're going to get off one of these things you should have a plan in place and when you start them look you can start them and continue to do the same things you're doing and lose a ton of weight it's really obvious you know if you go and get the large fry at mcdonalds and only eat half of it that's a big win for you nutrition that's going to improve a lot of your health markers over time and when we're looking at the long-term effects of gLP ones you might not know a lot but we do know a lot about the long-term effects of keeping more weight on your body more body fat on your body than is that is healthy right you've got you know high blood pressure

high cholesterol and those things can be you know they're you know really inflammatory and they can cause you know problems down the road so you're less likely running those problems on a glp1 and living the lifestyle that you that you choose and that you're used to okay if you decide to start these and you know i'd highly recommend starting an exercise routine starting a walking routine starting a routine of like buying more groceries and cooking your food more and like you know to Matt and Danny's point is building more habits while you're on them, I would say the likelihood of you sticking with some of those habits for the most part and maybe indulging a little bit more when you're off these. If you're exercising and lifting weights consistently and doing

that, like your odds of being unhealthy again after you get off of them have to go down extremely, right? I would say your understanding of like weight management needs to be there in terms of the plan and place that you were talking about in terms of like weaning off of it. So like you need to have like a mechanistic understanding of how like, calories in calories out drives like weight loss and therefore weight management. This will prove it to you. More steps, not as much overeating. Drugs will prove that to you.

I think that I have had at least three clients who I've worked with over the years who have struggled with the weight loss component of their journey. They were successful with the training, but maybe they were a weight stagnant client or a slow rate of weight loss client who have after, you know, not like maybe they discontinued training for a while, I get an email from them. like oh interesting and they're updating me these all have been women but they started using a gLP one and hormone replacement therapy and it made it easier for them to lose weight and they all have said you were right i ended up having to do this to more comfortably eat less but eating less

was what i had to do and i actually remember the first time i got one of those emails i wasn't sure how to feel about it because i was like oh man but like i wanted to help you and now you're you're telling me like that the secret was pharmaceuticals and like you ended up doing what I told you anyway but like I'm I'm like bombed and like a little defeated but then after I sat with it for I was like oh no that's actually super cool because she's like still giving me my prop she's like I'm still weightlifting and like I realize now that a calorie deficit is in fact what I needed but it was really hard for me to maintain one at 50 with less activity less like a slightly suboptimal hormone situation.

And so I have heard a lot from these menopausal women that I've trained. You're trained in the past or I've trained over the years and then they come back into your life from a DM. Like, oh, I used to train you at 24-hour fitness fucking six years ago. You crushed your training. Struggle with weight loss. But found this GOP-1 now doing amazing and they have the habits. Because I think there's this idea amongst people who are already fit.

That, well, if you're on a GOP1, you're never going to learn the habit. Do you know how many people I have seen go to the gym? How many people have we seen at the gym, especially when we used to work at 24-hour fitness? Overweight. And they work out every day. And they clearly, they even understand the lifestyle. Like, you're like, they have the protein shake. And they're, like, you're drinking their amino acids, which I might not be a fan of.

But they're like all in on it. So you know they get the nutrition. They're in the nutrition. nutrition adjacent world and what you see as somebody with a great exercise habit who struggles with food yes and like there's no way i would be frustrated with that person seeing success with the glp1 i'd be like and i think there's a massive underestimation of how many people struggle with their weight that actually know exactly what to fucking do with food and exercise right right i think we understand that obesity is now understood as a chronic neurobiological

condition. Yeah. Just a lifestyle. Some people in fitness hate that, though. They hate the idea that obesity has complex inputs because it has a very simple solution. Like people with more body fat who maybe have like lower or higher, no, I think it's lower leptin levels in the brain. Sure.

They, their body doesn't recognize that they're that fat. Yeah. From a metabolic step or from like a hunger cue standpoint. I think it's disruptive to your blood sugar to be obese and under muscle and sedentary. And it's like you guys know what a negative feedback loop is. Sometimes like, okay, well, a lot of times once something's like already going one direction, it's hard to get it to stop and go the other direction, like a big stone wheel. I think weight loss is kind of like a big wheel.

And it's, you got to get it going back up the hill, but first you got to get it to stop. I love that analogy. Well, I'm making it up right now. So hold on to your bridge. A rock wheel. Unlearning a bad habit takes longer to do than to learn a brand new habit. Yes. So a rock wheel, down it goes.

I think nobody's going to be unfamiliar with like you got to get it back going again. But I think with weight loss. Momentum kind of type. What people don't understand is it is easy to lose weight fast when you're heavy. But being heavier is not an ideal metabolic. situation for weight loss. You have a lot of body fat, which dysregulates your appetite.

You're probably having a harder time moving if you're larger and your joints are sore and inflamed. There's so many things that make it difficult to get that wheel to just stop so that you can then make progress. Because if you're heavier, it is harder. To your point, all the metabolic

things that are disrupted by obesity and the neurobiological things that are disrupted. It's not just like, oh, you're fat, so now you just lose weight. A lot of hormones involved. There's stuff that, yes, yes, like being obese is not the best place to approach weight loss from. You just lose a lot of weight really fast when you're obese. But being obese is hard because of the way obesity affects your neurobiology.

That's a great point. And a lot of these could be from, you know, the thing, from like the standpoint of, hey, it's not your fault. Like there's epigenics play a role in this. There's maybe how your parents fed you when you were growing up as a kid. kid could definitely play a role in how you decide to act as an adult. Totally. If they gave you whatever you wanted or none of what you wanted, you're probably more likely to have like problems with your, or a different relationship with food suboptimal

relationship than if they were educated and like knew a ton about food and just gave you the tools. And like most kids in America grow up with probably suboptimal food environments that set them up for obesity. we were children this was like shortly after industrializing everything and all the food and the environment of our food increasing and then like all of the hyperprocessed foods things really did i do think things really changed in the late it's like yeah you can have that honey you can have that honey yeah you can add the whole box of cereal you know every single day

and you can have it's well it's not worth the tantrum yeah yeah i do i actually do think the parenting probably changed a lot like it to your point like yeah the food supply has changed a lot over the years i'd say like especially when we were younger like late 80s into 90s you see like a lot more packaged foods and i think you also see like a huge proliferation of television and like adds to kids food for kids junk food for kids and so kids want that stuff and parents to matt's point are like dude just fucking not worth the tantrum just fucking give it to them yeah and like softer parenting styles that our our parents the gen xers and the boomers were a lot softer i think on us and we are conversely like exceptionally soft and like

the gen zs have the the what are gen x have gen z kids and gen x are super soft compared to our boomer parents like they're the ones they're like i want to be the cool mom i want to yeah you oh yeah go we'll watch game of thrones are a six year old you know it's like well fuck it you know like really loosey goosey but kids get what they want kids kind of run the house that's probably shit environment as well i don't know i have a couple strategies caving and not following through on what you probably think is right for your child so back to the question of weaning off a g lp one yeah no i think these are all it's great to spin off of it because what we're doing is we're just discussing the nuances and like if you're weaning off at glp1 i think the first and most important thing is

what we just discussed hopefully at this point you are no longer in a state of neurobiological obesity and and has your doctor advised you to wean off and why would why do you want to wean off i think those are good questions the most reasonable thing like if somebody said to me i've been taking a glp one with tremendous weight loss success and i'd like to stop and i said why would you like to stop and they said because i am i am generally or i'm just really kind of I'm scared or wary or sensitive to the long-term

impact of using a pharmaceutical because I don't trust the pharmaceutical companies in America to not fuck me over with something. I told, I get this fear. I get that fear. I get that fear and I'm like, all right, okay. Well, then

to Matt's point, you better have those habits. And I would imagine if this person follows me, they probably have those habits that they listen to the show or follow you guys. have those habits so that's encouraging but i would say yeah if you're using this under the guys or the watch of a physician you should for sure bring them in on this decision but if you want to wean off like i think there's something in that wean off phrase like i do know a lot of people are using micro doses yes i would somebody pull this up on chat gpt because i want to try to

make a point here and i need some statistics to back it up would somebody look up how many opiate prescriptions were filled in the United States in 2024. The reason I want to know this is because I am going to make the bold claim that GLP1 use is way more likely to reach 100% use than it is zero. And I know when I tell people, I think a lot of people are going to use these drugs, they go, doesn't that stress you out? Don't you worry about big pharma? don't you worry about the opiate epidemic and I'm like of course I do I grew up in rural

fucking America where the median household income is $40,000 and 5% of the population uses meth and heroin and fucking pain pills are like nothing it's like 40 prescriptions per 100 people okay so 40% out of every 100 people filled a prescription for for pain opiates in 2020 knowing knowing that they're horrible for you right knowing that there's a high likelihood that this is going to get me addicted i do not think there exists this fear in obese people around the utilization of glp ones and how they're similar to opiates the only people i ever hear this from are already fit people who are afraid of something and i'm like listen if fucking 40 out of 100 people who have back pain are going to go get a prescription for something they know is

terrible because the pain is bad, I know that like 70 out of 100 obese people will take a GOP 1 to get out of obese, chronic obesity. Yeah. Because it's not, it's not good, and they know that. Whether or not they have the habits doesn't matter. What matters is the risk analysis is chronic obesity worse than GLP 1 use or chronic GOP 1 use. Yes.

I'd say so because it seems like chronic low back pain is worth a fucking 40. Shodic chronic opiate addiction. Speaking of chronic opiate addictions, RFK, no I'm kidding. We'll save that for later. Holin brought a great video here. We're moving into the fitness section.

Regarding strength and muscle. And so I'm going to try to pause this really quick so we can get a live reaction. Maybe we can hear this on the TV. Yeah, that's probably So this guy's saying I can't be Jack and Strong at the same time, essentially.

Well, I don't know. be saying that you're just saying that they're two different things but i i just have to i just sound like there's an inverse relationship between the two it just all comes down to your skill level what if like bodybuilders can like dumbbell curl more than you power lifter because you just don't do do that you don't do dumbbells like you squat you bench you deadlift so you're going to be really skillful and have a high amount of motor recruitment toward these lifts these specific lifts right muscle and strength they they go hand in hand like the bigger you are the more potential you have for strength and and I think that goes across the board that just makes so much sense if you have

less tissue then you will probably have less opportunity to produce force than if you have more tissue right but I'm I don't know I hear that and I go some of this is true like if you are a power lifter and you are training a high load a low volume power lifting protocol and you're doing those three lifts only let's just make it super simple the development of pathways from the brain to the motor unit and the muscle the skill the it will improve very quickly and you will move significant loads um on those lifts because your body is going to adapt very quickly to those patterns and doing fewer lifts with a lot of sets and a lot of weight is just the simplest way to get strong.

But I can't imagine anyone who did that and also added a small amount of volume to grow some size and ate in a way that was promoting muscle growth would not get better gains. Yeah, 100%. I don't think you have to be in this box of, I only do these lifts, I'm only this or that.

Like, you can explore a little bit. And I think having all of them, the metabolic stress, the strength, the high you know i think those are those are going to all allow you to build muscle and if you build more muscle and do some heavy lifts as well to danny's point you're gonna you're gonna be able to move those lifts more efficiently and but yes the bigger you are than what potential you have i think there's something to be said about tendon strength to when you are lifting these heavier loads maybe like you won't like i want to go back bodybuilders also do hell of squats and

deadlifts and I know a lot of really really strong bodybuilders yeah they usually do like r dls instead of machine based but like I know I I have a very very not great back relative but like I was doing RDLs with 255 today for sets of something like I was six to eight and I'm like okay like some people who are like at a crossfit gym and it's like their strength day they're doing like 315 deadlifts from the floor for like three reps like okay well six r dls eight ardeals with 255 slow is much harder and like i've seen bodybuilders rdl 400 pounds 500 pounds you know and i'm like okay that is fucking that is not making you strong and big i'm stupid yeah that seems like it's doing both right like i am i don't know man i'm so team both now

Now that I have less time And I just don't care as much I honestly sometimes ask myself If I wanted to get any bigger Like yeah I could do a lot more training volume I could totally eat more calories But I gain body fat If I wanted like rapid muscle growth

I'd probably just play with peptides Or testosterone for the first time But if I train in a way that gives me both strength and muscle I stay like relatively strong and I gain size at a very small rate and I can kind of focus on a few muscle groups of the time as a Natty who's been training for a while but this stuff seems less meaningful for me

than it does a novice. Right. I think that's, you know. I think to piggyback and add to Holden's point about fitting in a box, like you don't need to join like a particular ideology that, which is a box of fitness like power lifter, body lifter, like you should just be in it for your like health

overall. Like what is like a, enough on your body where you're not like dragging and in a crap ton of pain for the sake of gains and being huge and you know whatever um so don't try not to get like swept up and like the ideologicalness of of it all yeah i think people want to join a community they want to belong to a team or a camp and it's for sure from multiple places the motivation though no yeah i just want to kind of um re-emphasize that all exercises are strength exercises too right like when you're doing a bicep curl you're increasing the strength

of your elbow joint when you're doing yeah there is you're increasing the strength of your shoulders training is strange training yeah so let's not categorize these as strength training is just squat bench deadlift and bodybuilding is just like machines and like you know metabolic stress like right right like if you do both you're a much better well-rounded program and potential to make way more gains let's take a sweet little dive into nutrition here uh talking about the high protein trend i find this to be half encouraging like half annoying how many products are now being branded or marketed as high protein because people want it do i know exactly if do i do i believe everybody knows why they want high protein no i don't i think most people are

Looking at high protein, the way they looked at keto, the way they looked at vegan, the way they looked at low fat, the way they looked at low carb. It's healthy for me. It's a trend that's going around, and I heard that that's good from the people who I know that are fit. They're all ultra-process foods, higher in calories, and a lot of the times you're not going to more protein your way to sustainable weight loss. Dude, for real, a lot of them are just the same fucking calories, but with like eight to 10 grams of protein per serving. I'm like, I know you guys remember the like the Len and Larry cookies. That's the immediate thing that comes to mind that goes high protein, but it's like triple the fat in like 400 calories.

And you're like, but thank God it has eight grams of protein in it. Well, that's why I'm alarmed because there's like a lot of products that are now just Lenny and Larry's cookies are now 30% of the grocery store. It's not that hard to meet your protein needs. It's really not that hard. And I don't think it's as hard as people, people tend to say it is and to portray it how hard it is like oh my god i can't get a hundred grams of protein it's like yes you fucking can that's like 30 grams of protein a meal and i know

people don't usually go after these things and maybe cook their food as much and more fast food and people it's maybe need more protein but you can get it like by just a few little swaps here and there and maybe a protein shake i don't know two scoops of protein powder is fucking 50 grams it's so much so it's like yogurt's another 50 If every American ate 100 grams of protein every day, I would imagine that they would have better body composition that those who chronically under-eat protein and overeat carbohydrate and fat. Because if you over-index for carbohydrate and fat in the continental United States, you're probably eating a lot of ultra-processed food. Now, there's a lot of ultra-processed high-protein foods, but many high-protein foods are minimally processed. Whether it's the totality of dairy, all of the meat, all of the fish,

even the plant-based proteins, like, you know, those are adequate. Those are going to get the job done for sure. If you do to ultra-process protein powder, that it, to me, is infinitely better than an ultra-process protein waffle. Because the protein waffle is still going to, like, it's going to hit like a waffle. I can eat 10 of those. Yes, exactly. They also taste like, shit, exactly.

And they taste. It tastes like shit. Everything that has protein added to it tastes obviously more like shit than the original. Those codiac kicks, man. This is, Yeah, but you drown in it with maple syrup, so it better be like low sugar, zero calories. No, I don't think you get it. It's really, this is sinister.

This is the biggest, this is the biggest fucking, you know what I'm saying? This is the biggest deceit in all of nutrition. This is what they don't want you to do to see. You could just have. have a protein shake and eat whatever ultra-processed food you were going to eat you don't need the high-protein version so fuck your protein waffle, fuck your protein

your protein ice cream, fuck your protein everything. Drink a 30 gram protein shake and go eat the fucking dog shit version of it because it's the same calories. Every time a lot of these protein ads they're not even like way protein they're like low-cap quality

piss brown rice sawdust protein flower protein. Piss protein oh shit there's no loosening and piss it's like that's how much they fucking hate you they overpriced the hell out of have you ever seen like high protein bread or high protein pasta and it's like first ingredient gluten protein and it's like okay what the hell is that even okay so gluten is the protein is dog shit gluten is the protein and wheat so like if you want to make a high protein pasta I guess when you're making the pasta you can add additional gluten or just

Like, I don't even know how they do it, but it's not like they're adding a high quality protein to the pasta. So, like, one, if you give it to somebody in your house who's gluten intolerant, you're just straight up, just, it's like, auto, oh my God, what was that pasta? Oh, no, it was gluten bomb death pasta for you, buddy. You're good. Gluten's fine. It's not bad for you, but gluten protein is toxic, it'll kill you.

No, gluten is fine, but if you have a gluten intolerance, which 95% of you who are, listening don't listen to this because you don't have one but five percent of people have a gluten intolerance one percent of people have celiac disease okay so this is for the five percent of people with the intolerance and definitely for the one percent of celiac disease if you are ever at somebody's house and they are a high protein eater and they offer you pasta and you're thinking this might set me off in the morning but I'll do it I'll risk it if it is that high protein pasta you're fucked because it has extra gluten in it more that's where the extra protein you're going to be lit up you're going to be celiac in your way to the hospital your 5% is now the 1%

so yeah just like dude there are like all the a lot of these high protein products these corporations you know when they're not saving us from the food dyeing their ice cream and doing all the other incredible steps they're doing to make america healthy many of them are using low cheap forms of protein to increase the available protein in the product. Well, simultaneously, like, gutting regulation for this stuff, too. It's like that... Well, environmentally sure. But on the food side of things, like, I do...

I do think, like, um, what's happening with the high protein stuff is we're just paying more to eat the same ultra-processed food with lower tier protein added to it. Right. And the calories are usually high. Because I have noticed this that the high protein foods tend to be awfully high in calories. However you spin it, sometimes you just have to eat like a chicken breast. Yeah. And some fish and some bodybuilding rice.

Yeah. And you know, you don't have to eat like a boiled chicken breast. If you didn't want to eat animal protein and you just ate like tofu, you'd probably be crushing it. Because it's so much more satiating to eat minimally processed forms of protein than it is to try to dude getting to like your goal only using these high protein foods like high protein cupcakes high protein cereal uh freaking waffles they're making these high protein chip chips now that i they taste pretty they're super good i like quest chips but too many of them destroy my stomach yeah like if i have two bags it's like oh my god you know i can't

figure out why i feel like hiroshima is in my asshole Like, oh, I remember why. I ate 40 grams of protein from spicy chili quest chips that are made with weight protein. And I'm just imagining myself making two scoops of spicy chili weight protein shake. And downing that. And it not just blowing me up. But I'm like, oh, yeah, I just ate that in tortilla chip. So, of course.

But there is like you would not be able to get there comfortably only using those products. You can't do it. No. I mean, I'm sure you can. But it's just your. You're going to have a lot of additional calories. Well, your pocketbook's going to suffer, too, because all that's like a little bit more expensive as a result on top of things already going up. I don't know anybody who's, like, doing this only.

Hopefully, like, these things, maybe you can add them into your already pretty good diet if you're on the go and you want an extra 10. I bet there's a lot of people who are only getting protein from products labeled high protein. Yeah. Yeah. There is 70% of American calories come from ultra-processed foods. there are some people for whom that number is 90 or higher maybe 100 possibly 100 yeah on given days absolutely yeah yes there are how there have to be tens of millions of americans a 24 hour period without eating a food it is a whole food right undeniably yeah unfortunately that's probably the case

so there are a lot of people who are like oh high protein yeah that's good and that was their source of protein for the thing what you have today that had protein Well, you had a high protein waffle. Oh, okay, shit. You're in trouble. You had 4,000 calories today, didn't you? Did you hit your protein target using that strategy? Yes, I did.

Oh, you're cooked. Speaking of people who are cooked, kids at airports, according to the head of health and human services, who has x-ray vision and can see straight to your mitochondrial burden. That's not scripted. But did you guys hear that line from Robert Kennedy Jr.? Yeah, where he will go around and he's, sees like the pain these kids are in because their powerhouse of their animal cell is dysfunctioning posted something today that I thought was kind of funny I'm going to butcher it but it was like wellness influencers talking about mitochondria and it was like you know all hyped it was like the what the data actually says I was like dog shit it's like dude because people don't fully understand mitochondria but they know it's like very important because of it's the power

house of the cell. It's a five-syllable word. It's a big word. It adds to their vocabulary. This guy who just looks mitochondrially to function. He's telling me that he does. Somebody said he looks like Mel Gibson with his microwave or something. I saw that.

Okay, yeah. Well, anyway, we have better points. There are strategies to improve your mitochondrial health. Do you guys know what they are? sitting this on it. I think that's one of them. I think that's one of them. There's one that comes to mind that everybody should know.

It's 100% aerobic exercise. Like long... It's cardio. It's cardio. Do you guys remember when you learned about mitochondria in high school? You learned about it kind of at the same time that you learned about chlorophyll. They teach you about how mitochondria works and how chloro is like, what are those weird-looking slugs inside of that circle? Yeah, the little green one.

Yeah, the green one. One. Yeah. So, like, we'll go high school biology for a second. The reason they teach you that is because plants are photosynthetic organisms. They make their food from the sun. And humans are aerobic organisms. And we generate our fuel from mitochondria.

Right. And, like, our mitochondria are performing aerobic metabolism or aerobic respiration. When they make ATP, they need oxygen. You guys remember that? And so that's why cardio is super good for your health. Like when we're training our muscles in the gym, we're stressing our muscle tissue. We talked about this a lot on that segment there.

Our ligamentous tissue, we're rehearsing these patterns. We're developing these skills. But when you do cardio, it's not just your heart and your lungs. I think you're also elevating the capacity of your mitochondria. Yeah. And that just goes through like the need, the higher need of oxygen in improving your VO2 max, and that's what ultimately is going to help with mitocondria.

And longevity. Everybody says, oh, my God. V-O-2 max and longevity. That's all you ever hear. And that's why I think, like, aerobia exercise is one of the best things you can do for your recovery and for your health,

and it's going to help you make, actually make gains if you're also lifting weights, because it's going to help with your ability to recover faster in between sets, and it's going to help with your ability to recover faster in between sessions. um so if you're not doing as much like high you know long long distance aerobic or like 20 plus minutes of aerobic exercise or like getting like 300 minutes a week which is the recommendation sounds like so much it's so much so for a non-active person it's like five hours it's so much um you can use some of the you know you can like walk find a hill a little bit more like that zone two

cardio and also with your weightlifting stuff I do like supersetting the antagonist Or just super setting in general Like staying busy in the gym People shit on circuit training But if you were like a completely untrained adult And you did like a circuit training boot camp Like

It would probably be good for aerobic fitness And anaerobic fitness It wouldn't be great for either It'd probably be like below average for both frankly But like circuit training is probably like if you had zero desire to spend any more time than absolutely necessary,

you could do like an antagonist super set, push into pull, pushing to pull, pushing to pull. Upper lower. And you're going to get your aerobic system working 20, maybe 30% higher. I'm thinking if you just did straight sets. And that's pretty good. Do you remember the,

when you do the upper body with peripheral hard action system? You remember peripheral hard action system, right? That's under, That's so underrated. You pull up a bunch of blood in the upper body. I mean, mechanistically, that makes sense. Is that legit? It is legit.

You're going to need a high, you're essentially creates a high oxygen. Explain, it is an under, I think this is one of the least talked about, like most potentially beneficial general population exercise strategies, peripheral heart action system, which is basically, what basically it is increasing it's an upper lower superset and it's increasing the need for oxygen it's making your anaerobic exercise have a higher percentage of aerobic fitness in it yeah because because the need for oxygen increases you basically do an exercise for your legs and get a pump in your legs yes and the blood is in your legs pulls down to the legs and then there's no blood at

on the upper body when you say it like you just all the blood from your brain and everything you die you live it I blacked out again

I did my peripheral heart actions isn't too bad I know what you mean though but like it's like okay when you like a chest and back super set

the blood goes from your pecks and then like more blood would accumulate in the working peck then you hit your lats it goes to your lats or if you're doing a leg press like a or like a leg

maybe let's say a leg extension or a squat. Okay. You're going to get a lot of blood in your legs, but you're not going to die. You're not going to pass out. Then you do an overhead press. It's going to go up to the working tissues,

and that's going to take a ton of energy from your heart. For sure. It does. And those are two great examples because those are two compound lifts. They both use a lot of muscle groups and require a high degree of effort. So, yeah, I think that could be a good strategy if you are using that strategy. It's not great for maximal strength. It'd be a minimalist strategy.

It would be. A highly effective minimal strategy. I use it a lot with like clients because they're working out two days a week. Yeah, they need a time efficient. Do you want to know like how you can avoid like you don't have to work out like four to six days a week or an hour a day every time you work out? Like these are some great strategies that you can use. So most of my clients who see me only see me two days a week. Some of them have their own programming that I write for them, whatever.

but people who I typically see two days a week we're doing that peripheral heart action full body style of training and I swear like there mitochondria improves from it their muscle mass improvement bone density aerobic fitness like all of it is I think it's a good well-rounded way to work out if you don't have the time and a lot of people don't

so if you did that two days a week you would drastically improve your fitness and your body do we want to even address the idea that like people are walking or around with mitochondrial dysfunction because that's just one of those things RFK says, and I'm like, oh my God, that sounds really dumb. Yeah, like, but I think it just codes, buzz word. Like, it just codes for you're whining around and you see people who are overweight and, like,

look deconditioned. Pretty much. And, like, he's like, what sucks, he said, he sees all these kids. And, like, I don't love that because I don't think somebody in government should speak that way about American kids. I think it would be a lot better. Like, for somebody who is so fucking into fitness and wellness, RFK is the least inspiring fucking person.

God, I know. Like, I know he climbed that mountain with Dr. Oz, which was just so, like... Cringy. It was not it. It's not like anybody on the left. I honestly think all the politicians lifting videos code super weird. They just code weird.

They're all flex. um i don't love it i'm not saying that like you're bad for doing it but it just doesn't seem like what i wanted to hear and like everybody like always shits on the trans woman who was the assistant health and human services secretary during covid rachel levin they're like oh yeah well you don't like you don't like r fk a trans lady used to have that job you fucking idiot so pick you want rfk or the trans lady it's like first of all she was the assistant the guy who had the job is running for governor of California I probably pick him over both

of them so fuck you fuck you for making me pick and second why are we doing like the like I don't give a shit that RFK can incline bench 135 okay I don't give a shit that he can do chin-ups I am impressed that he maintains

his resistance training routine that doesn't make him an expert on mitochondria vaccines or any of the other stuff he's tasked with but like there is no I don't believe believe in mitochondrial dysfunction. I just believe in being out of shape. Yeah.

These guys love to just say shit and not actually do something about it, right? And they love to make the headlines and do things really quick, just like with Elon Musk with Doge, right? They like this whole like, oh, these kids at the airport that I saw, they have mitochondria dysfunction because whatever, like that's just a headline that's going to get people talking and create more disruption, you know? And like there's going to be nothing. and that's actually going to require a lot of effort besides going and making more fake scientific literature about vaccines killing these 25 children that just came out.

Yeah, I saw that. All with theirs data, if I'm not mistaken. Which for anyone listening who doesn't know, we're not trying to bash anybody who might have like what we might call just normal levels of vaccine hesitancy who are like, oh, I don't like when my kid gets a shot or oh, I don't want him getting 10 at once. We get that, I understand. But, like, VAR's data is not data collected in a trial.

It is anyone can go on there and grab it and report. And for the government to use that as, like, gold standard data and then make a claim about the COVID vaccine, it only fuels that hesitancy and that skepticism, which isn't itself the problem, but if too many people buy into it, it limits the efficacy of the vaccines that are most critical. And while I would say that, yeah, if there was one vaccine that we don't need a rush to give kids, it's probably the COVID vaccine, the amount he is undermining confidence in other vaccines by doing this is calculated and it disturbs me. Me too. And just, and it goes back just science overall and how the scientific method is used. And I mean,

Well, history, too. Yeah, and this is just like, okay, so these, so apparently these, these parents of these children, it was around the vaccine time, and, man, I mean, it would be absolutely horrible. I mean, I was one of these parents. Right. And I, you know, feel terribly for them. And I hate to say, you know what, you're wrong, that your kid probably didn't die from a vaccine. And I'm not necessarily saying that, but I kind of am saying that because vaccines are very safe,

especially this COVID one, where we're talking about this earlier, that our 80-year-old clients get 10 of these vaccines a goddamn year. 20 of the fucking COVID shots, bro. I was all worried it was going to make me infertile because everybody was stressing me with all this bullshit about vaccines. Didn't work. Still had a kid. I had a kid.

I had too. Bill Gates is trying to kill everybody with these COVID shots, blah, blah, blah. And then what do you know? fucking uh all the old people who have like 20 of them are fine so like most weakest vulnerable people getting these death shots are like well you look to these people who are telling you not to get it either and they definitely are getting it but they're just telling you they got it Trump got it that's the best part about it right he can't get away from it even though he's the whole do as I do as I say not as I do I'm trying to find this maha report from this month that there have been

multiple different reports and there is a specific one for children and i'd like to go through it today boys because i think it's important uh and we are going to talk that we talked a little bit about vaccines and how secretary kennedy is trying to effectively like i'd say discontinue the covid vaccine for kids who might whose parents might want them to get it how about governor desicances oh yeah about florida yeah why don't you guys talk about florida you want to start old well what i know is that they ended all that vaccine mandates for children and for people in general, I think. Yeah, you're just like no longer forced to get.

But I do think going into school. I think it's important to mandate them in the school system because it gets the parents to get them all by a certain time because it's hard for parents to go get all the appointments done. I think that's sketchy parents. Get vaccines at school, have the, have them have doctors at the school who administer these vaccines for them. So it's, can you imagine, though, in 20, 25 with where we're at with everything, if, like, you told people, like, the government, because the school is the government, right? You're going to be vaccinating your kids at school. Like, 30% of the population would go crazy, which is so unfortunate because, like, ultimately, it would be like, oh, yeah, you know, those normal vaccines that your kids have gotten for, like, 100 years or, like, 80 years or 50 years, like, if you just say, like, yeah, they could get them at school. um it's like way easier and you could do them on like a schedule that made people happier and

like just well i don't fucking know you just like yeah it's uh picture day and t dab day yeah i don't know man and what if these vaccines if would there be less hesitancy if if they were oral i mean totally i think i used to be i think the injection with the needle like elicits its own like dogma yeah that know that people run with and they're like we don't know what's actually in there because they leave with the syringe and they come back with and i don't know level with it. Do you remember when you took your puppy in to get his vaccine? Yeah.

Was it sad? Kind of. A little bit. Yeah. You're like, well, this little being is like, you know,

16 weeks old and he's going to get a shot. Yeah. So people feel that way about their kids. And that really drives some of the hesitancies. Like your kid's going to get that shot and it's going to immediately hurt. And if those vaccines were oral to Holden's point, I think that would eliminate those situations. But if you're,

yeah, experiencing five seconds of pain. Yeah, that's what I was talking about, the long term. Obviously, like, there's not even any comparison. I had to hold my kid down. Yes. At two years old at the doctor's office, like literally hold him in my lap with his legs inside mine, squeezing him so he didn't move at all while this lady poked him with a needle

and he freaked out and he hated it and I hated it. And but it's, it's necessary and it lasted. I swear he cried for like maybe 10 seconds. And actually, like later on, he's like, I want to go to the. doctor dad i want to go to the doctor can i get a shot like he was actually kind of like but that i know that's just my experience with it but honestly it's not that bad and i felt so good you don't want to about it somebody why am i feeling so good about a basic vaccine i'm giving because you're now know with a hundred percent certainty he's not going to die of something stupid

yes and i and you're like i i never have to come back here embarrassed with my kid having measles like hundreds of parents so glad exactly i'm so glad that I didn't become one of those parents in Texas. I have a zero percent likelihood of having that happened to me now. Right. Based on the data. And I have a infinitesimally tiny percent chance of my child having a vaccine adverse reaction. Yeah.

And that's what the VERS vaccine adverse reaction reporting system or something like that is for. But a lot of that spiked during 2020 because people were just going. on there and filling it with nonsense because they were pissed about the COVID, a politics of COVID. And I understand that. And I understand still being pissed about the politics of COVID, but don't let it affect the science of vaccines. I was on Jordan Science podcast like a few weeks ago and I told him that when I was

in high school, I didn't want to get vaccines because I was on the middle of my like journey into becoming obsessed with health. My dad had Parkinson's disease. I was trying to figure out what that was. I was watching all these documentaries on net. I was doing juices every day and like way way woo-woo and I had gone to a Waldorf school as a child so there was a ton of acts anti-vax vaccine hesitancy in that culture and I went all the way through high school dodging like one or two shots using this bullshit phony religious exemption that my mom who wasn't really that into it would let me do she's like you they called me from the office and they said you need to get this shot I'm like I know that I don't have to I looked it up on the internet. You can qualify if you have a religious exemption.

And I just lazily didn't get the shot because of vaccine hesitancy that I had developed from health adjacency. And then when I got my next vaccination would have been COVID. So I didn't get a vaccine from like 15 to 25. Didn't get a shot. Was there any influence on, you know, I don't know. Just woo-woo adjacent. Any social media. At that time,

not really. Not like it was self-research. Mostly just Netflix and being really one of these, like, health purists. And, like, I was super orthorexic. Super orthor-I didn't want anything bad in my body. I was, like, really into bodybuilding magazines and doing those workouts and bodybuilding.com and buying those supplements. And at that time, Netflix had documentaries and YouTube,

YouTube didn't really have what it has now and social media really wasn't even a thing. I don't even know if Instagram was out. If it was, it was new. That was like, but my,

this stuff isn't even out yet. And you at 15. But I wasn't even out. I just was like, I don't want that in my body because I, I don't want pharmaceuticals in my body. I just watched this thing about securing cancer with the, the Gerber method or some bullshit.

I don't even remember what it was called. And I was giving my dad juice every morning, trying to heal my dad's Parkinson's. And I'm, I'm, I'm not going to have these problems. I'm, I'm getting ahead of it.

Completely. orthorexic teenager because of all these fears I have and insecurities I have around how you get disease from the stuff in our environment, which is in some part true. We're just learning more and more about it. And the Trump

administration's not helping to the point you made earlier with the deregulation of pesticides and shit. Which is a good pivot to this. Let's talk about make our children healthier again. This is a report that came out last week, but we didn't talk about it last week because Donald Trump is probably a pedophile.

and Charlie Kirk was assassinated. But the Make Our Children Healthy Again strategy is a four-pillar strategy, boys, okay? This is the Maha report, which again... Separate from the strategy. Well, this is the infamous report that was, of course, filled with citations that did not exist. Those AI are rumored to be... But then we have the Maha strategy. Okay, so this was what I clicked on earlier.

And then here is the report. So we have two things. The report... which was from earlier in the air and the strategy. But let's go through this document from this week because I think this looks really pretty. They think that to end chronic childhood disease, we are going to need to do four things.

Boys, you ready for it? Okay, so the Maha strategy, to end childhood chronic disease is four pillars. You ready for this? Number one pillar is advance research. Number two pillar, realign and six. incentives. Number three, pillar, foster private sector collaboration. Number four, pillar, increase public awareness. There are a variety of things that I think are kind of conflicting here.

When you try to parse out the MAHA agenda from the MAGA governance, because on your report, you can say that we're going to advance research, but look at the cuts to research. Look at the the cuts to research. No, it's incredible. All time, like massive cuts at the NIH, massive cuts at the CDC. Harvard.

These relationships with institutions that would do research, like Harvard are not irreparably damaged, but certainly damaged. The funding's frozen. All kinds of stuff. That people have and the information provided by these institutions as well. Part of that pillar was informing

the Americans. Increased public awareness. Increase public awareness. Increase public awareness. of what? Of red fucking dye, of seed oils, of beef tallow, of what are we informing the public of vaccines are bad? Yes, absolutely.

That is what I'm saying. Public awareness of fucking what? Seed oil, red dye, are we do? Anthem gum? Public awareness that you can do pull-ups? Public awareness that the presidential fitness test needs to come back. Okay, cool. This warrior ethos.

Well, like, public awareness from that is substantially less effective. I think than like investing in our kids' education. And like, oh, I learned way more by having good school. I'm curious at the what the realign incentives. I love that. That one is. Realign. What they mean by that?

Like, what is their objective there? Realign incentives basically means that we're going to, in my opinion, rework subsidies. So that the government has less. No, that's snap. Maybe snap. That's a great point. So that could be one.

like hey no more snap on junk food but maybe also the subsidies like we'll subsidize corn and wheat less so we can subsidize apples and broccoli more which would be really fucking smart but i don't see that getting done because what we are getting done and i think instead of really real line incentives what we're getting is foster private sector collaboration do you know what that means that doesn't sound good rich people make more money that's to me what that sounds It means companies get to pick and choose what they take out of their products, and we're going to give them a fist bump for it. Or also certain products getting like a bid or like, like,

do you literally see that they put a handshake there, guys? I couldn't unsee that as Trump shaking somebody's saying either. Trust. From private sectors, from the, Little hands, Trump. Richest corporations out there. This is perhaps, I think, one of the more dubious parts of Maha. Okay, so you have four pillars that they put here.

Advanced research, reline incentives, increase public awareness, private sector collaboration. One of the four important parts is private sector collaboration, which is denoted with a handshake emoji. A handshake deal inherently is a deal that is not written on paper. It isn't designed to last. It is temporary. I can't assume positive. And do you know who else made that mistake? Michelle Obama and liberal.

will hate to hear this but you know she wasn't an elected official so it wasn't her job she just did the best she could as a first lady to move the narrative and she was met with like tremendous incendiary negativity because at that point in 2008 to 2015 conservatives did not want the government telling them what to eat and she got walmart to lower sodium and calories on some products and you know made other handshake deals with corporations but guess when those went away. 2016. We don't know you shit anymore, lady.

You're gone. That little handshake thing tells you all you fucking need to know about what these companies are going to do long term. They're going to take stuff out. But the minute Robert Kennedy's gone, and I would remind anybody who, if you study Donald Trump, you should know, most cabinet officials don't last. If something pops off that makes Trump look bad, you're probably gone. Elon was gone in like four months.

Yeah, right, exactly. I think 16 of the 24 initial appointments were gone. I'm surprised the dude who brought the job lost numbers out this month. Well, he did pick him. He picked him. So we'll keep strolling. Well, the increase the public awareness part is where I just can't. You're going to increase public awareness.

And the CDC website, where they inform everybody on what's happening with the health of our country, with diseases, recommendations for things you should do for your overall. overall fucking health. That shit's gone. Great point. If you go to the CDC, like, you can't really find this stuff anymore. Go to the CDC website.

The amount of infectious or foodborne illness is right. And, and, and you fired all of these people with credentials to inform us. I just don't see it. Look at the CDC website. It's definitely a lot of lamer now. It's so much more lamer. That's a good point. They, uh, but also like, okay.

Okay. They should be moved, like, food-borne illness from this. I wonder if you sat Robert Kennedy down and said, Robert Kennedy, I'm on the vaccination page of the CDC's website. Yeah. Updated June 20, June 12th, 2024. Mm-hmm. All adults need these routine vaccinations.

COVID-19 flu T-Dap. Great. Do you agree with that? He would say, no. Right. That's a problem. Yeah. And, like, I don't.

I'm more inclined to believe that he is full of shit because people forget Robert Kennedy, I think more than he wants to make America healthy, wants to be fucking president. Yeah. And like, how do you know that? How do you know he wants to be president? He ran for fucking president. You forgot. Yeah.

Two, he wanted the Senate seat. Hillary Clinton vacated in 2009. And when he was a lot closer to the Democratic Party, which he was in 2009, then President Barack Obama considered him for that seat but ultimately he didn't run for that seat he waited a little while

he ran for president as an independent okay but if you don't think Robert Kennedy wants to run for president in 2028 you are fucking crazy right he is trying to last as long as he can in this job and not lose this little coalition he's built

so he can do something reminiscent of what his uncle did he thinks he is cut from the same cloth as John F. Kennedy. I don't think he is a health reformer any more than he is a politician. This is just the one thing that he's winning on. Have you ever, imagine Robert Kennedy wants to be president, and he has to now take his known stance, his largely unpopular known stance on public health, and come up with a coherent vision for the country on economics, on immigration, on an AI, on public health, on guns, on abortion.

Yeah, fucking right. No shot. But you know what? He's going to try. And I would bet my house on it. I don't see any way where... The only way Robert Kennedy doesn't run for president in 2028 is if Donald Trump does. I just think that there will be a large enough swath of people on the right who would

rather have Robert Kennedy than J.D. Vance. Yeah. Yeah. I don't... I don't even need to say this, but, yeah. I don't need somebody who's going to put a bunch of anti-vaxxers on the fucking vaccine panels for research. Good choice, buddy. Right.

Yeah. They're not anti-bactors. They're extreme, literally, hypertrophy vaccine skeptics. The 10 scientists. Yeah. The only 10. Maybe there's more. 99% of scientists believe the vaccines are crucial for your health.

Well, there's these 18 people that we identified, put them on the board. Well, let's not also forget the surgeon general choice he made, who doesn't even have. have a practicing medical license. That's a great point. She's unique in there. Her brother is his special advisor. What does that mean? Is that like Monica Lewinsky to Bill Clinton?

No, I don't know if he's in a romantic partnership with Robert Kennedy, who does, in fact, have those proclivities. That's another thing. People are just like, well, I like RFK. He just seems like such a great guy. Huge woman. Oh, cool. When he had like 37 unique affairs on his wife and wrote a book about it that ultimately

ended with her suiciding or unaliving herself. Yeah, thank you. Is he still a good guy? Stand up guy. Like, that's even worse than Trump's history. Like, Trump has a horrible, like, adultering history, but none of his wife's committed suicide, like, from his adultering. A lot of people who are saying this aren't really pro-woman, you know?

Yeah, they're also not pro-R-FK. They're just, like, gently aware of him. They don't even fucking know him. They don't think they're really, you tell them that. They're like, what? Yeah. What? I had no idea.

Dude, I had that with a client, too. Like, one of my clients was, like, saying like yeah it can't be it can't get any worse like you know look at the way the country's gone i was like well this guy was like an intravenous heroin user for 14 years he goes really i had no idea i was like that's pretty public so let's break down the strategies guys because these are kind of interesting they're going to do the m i h my chronic disease initiative to have the nih which has been massively fucking defunded do research on chronic disease which is fine but it's also really helpful for the NIH to do research like it was doing,

and I think you could argue not defunding it and just letting it stay on the path that was on would have been better. Real world data platform, I'm not sure what the fuck that means. NIH will link multiple data sets, such as claims information. Oh, my God. Between February 28 and April 8th, NIH canceled 694 medical research grants totaling $1.81 billion in funding cuts. These cuts involve topics like COVID-19, vaccine hesitancy,

LGBT health, et cetera. Yeah, I'm fine with, like, some of this stuff, some of that stuff getting cut and cleaned up and refocus. I'm all for efficiency, but you can't be on the, you cannot claim on your report of that is only four pillars. One of them is to advance research, but make $2 billion in total research cuts or just NIH cuts. It's very contrary.

This is this NIH, and then the Association of American Medical Colleges reported 1.9 billion lost in NIH grants across hundreds of grades. This is one. This is a good one, guys. Because I think if you had told people this in 2020, it would have scared the fuck out of all the people that now love RFK. But this is from the NIH, National Institute of Health, will link multiple data sets such as claims information, meaning the private insurance information of Americans. Right. electronic health records and wearable data into a single integrated data set

for researchers studying the causes in developing treatment of disease. And like, I'm not a government conspiracy hater. I think there's all kinds of things you can be pissed off about the government for. But if you had told conservatives in 2020, yeah, the NIH is going to collect your health insurance data,

like your electronic medical record, maybe what you cert, I don't even know, your wearable data. And they're just going to use... make you wear wear they're going to use that to do they're going to do that to do research they're tracking they would have shit

their fucking pants and acted like they got fucking given a prostate exam without consent they'd be like how conservatives they'd be so pissed how dare the NIH take my data they're tracking my fucking wearable how dare you and it's like okay well in the maha strategy written in very

clear English is that they plan to do this and eliminate redundancies from data connection linkage and infrastructures including using AI while maintaining rigorous privacy protections and consent protections. Okay. Did you know you consent to this already? Because I didn't and it's already in the plan.

That is like literally to their own definitions. Like maybe somewhere I'm going to have to check a box. Do you want to share this with the NIH or not? I'll probably still click yes because I trust the researchers at the NIH to do good work with my data. But I do find that incredibly interesting that not a single person gave a shit that that is in the report. court except for mostly i i've only heard us talk about it yeah it's like hey you know you got to get the covid vaccine don't tread on me you need to use the right pronouns don't fucking tread on me you need to put this computer chip in your head don't tread on me but you need to use these

wearables and do all these so this is in the advanced research category in the top five line items is just one word autism so you got the department of hHS through nih collaboration and centers for Medicaid will study the root cause of autism. Please tell me that's not the only sentence. Are you ready for this? Including through the RWDP, real world data platform. That's

the fucking data platform, the RWDP. So Robert Kennedy is essentially saying that, yeah, I'm going to build a government data platform to track your wearables, your private health claims, all this shit. All in the name of studying autism. Where are the conservatives? Yeah. Why aren't they mad? The government has come for your private data.

Well, the vaccines are. And allegedly, you might get autistic. That's why I'm not coming for the government. I'm not one of these conspiracy people. I don't give a fuck. I think ultimately incompetence wins the day. They won't find shit.

Anything they, it's all good. But like this would have stressed all of these people out in 20. If Joe Biden was doing this, they would be tweaking out. If the trans lady, if the trans lady from HHS during COVID, if that trans woman that they always say,

they're always bad. If she was doing the real world data platform, these people would be having a fucking stroke. 100% they would be. But they're going to figure out autism and what's at the very next line is vaccine injury. Injure vaccine injury? I just think it's like I personally, based on the data I've seen, would prefer if the government was encouraging vaccination and not discouraging it

by amplifying the fear of vaccine injury, which is exceedingly rare. We have investigated this very thoroughly already. Yes. Talk about waste and a fucking abuse. Waste and abuse. You want to know what else is hilariously wasteful and abusive? That we have lines in the Maha report about water quality, air quality, and microplastics, all the things related to the environment, while the MAGA agenda and the MAGA budget bill, Nicole.

So many environmental rollbacks that just give polluters unlimited access to fuck Americans harder than ever. And this is just, we're going to look at this stuff. we're going to tell you what you already know about water quality and air quality and microplastics and that they're probably not fucking good for you. Right. But the actual government that you elected in, they're going to make all that worse

and we can't do anything about it because I'm stuck here at HHS. And like, that's the shitty thing about Maha is Maha came with Maga. And Maga doesn't give a fuck about making anyone healthier. It just gives a fuck about the stock market, mostly going on. Rippin, yeah.

Trump, not going to jail. and Trump winning in 2026 so he doesn't get investigated by the house. That's like the only thing on the agenda right now. Right. There's no real desire to do anything about air quality or things like that. Finally, like 10 line items down that we get to nutrition, which I think is a little low on the list. NIH will partner with FDA and USDA for a AHA,

the administration for a healthy America to conduct quality nutrition research and ingredient assessments. and it goes on to mention other things that are like encouraging oral health, gut microbiome, more longitudinal research, clinical, artificial intelligence, EMF radiation. Jesus Christ, it's like fucking some of it's stupid. Oh, ultra-processed foods. This is a good one.

We will continue to develop a government-wide definition for ultra-processed food. Yeah, just we've had one. It's junk food. It exists colloquially. So, yeah, that's that guys. I don't know. What do you think about the new additional stuff on Maha? The scary thing is just the falsification of scientific research.

That's a scary thing. You know, I'm going to say. You know, go ahead. Yeah, I'm just going to, yeah, I'm going to be cut, like what I believe, I believe this so strongly, I'm going to take this one outlier, and I'm going to make it facts. That is not safe. That is not healthy.

That's where we're headed. That's where we've been. I bet that's where this guy. I want to go. I think he wants to be seen as right on this stuff. He said he was going to find out why vaccines were causing autism in 12 weeks or something like four months or something. Well, the cause of autism.

He was going to discover that. And I was thinking he would say it was vaccines. I was actually glad when he said it was Tylenol. The month ain't over. Because I'd been waiting for months for him to just do some. There's data. Tylenol's been around for fucking ever. Dude, honestly, I'm way more inclined to believe there's a link between Tylenol and

autism and there is vaccines and autism because there's been evidence to show there isn't a correlation between vaccines and autism there is a you know what there there is a correlation between the father and his age I think specifically and autism just does either parent have autism those are the main correlations so why don't we look at like okay back in the day when is this I don't know 1960s 1950s people were having for this stuff younger people are having more But it probably was still out. Now and today. More older people are having kids.

You can't afford to have a kid. You're not having kids. No, 17, 17, 18. That's fucking right. Maybe.

That's the, just fucking maybe. A huge driver of it. We can look at, I don't even think that's a maybe. I think that's like you're just pointing out the statistics. Can we look at this further if we're going to look at anything? That's a,

he's, you're just making a good point, I think, which is that, look, the research says the older you are, the more likely you are to have a child with a developmental, uh,

disability or a neurodivergence of some type. this is true for men because there's sperm quality degrades over time more people are having kids older now because of the socioeconomics of having kids those two things are in facts and if more older people are having kids we're probably going to see more of this stuff that's probably as close to effective correlation causation as you could get and we have the awareness of autism obviously now more than we have so much more screening though and like if you have ADHD technically you're on the autism spectrum right So, like, are some of these statistics, like, oh, this many kids have autism now?

It's like, bro, or is it, like, the type of autism, I don't think they're, I think they're trying to communicate a type of autism that displays as, like, having a lot of challenges and a lot of difficulties that nobody would want, but that are not true for all people with autism. And it really just paints with a broad brush, the totality of that spectrum and being like, oh, that's the worst thing that could ever happen to you is to have that. And it's like, well, remember that RFK thinks that. If you have autism, you can't, like, write a love letter. You can't do a lot of different things. I think that RFK sees all autism as, like, some severe form of intellectual disability. And I don't think he really understands how the spectrum informs the data. Like, because if you're on the spectrum, you're on the statistic.

But in his mind, he's thinking about this. The worst, most severe of, I don't get it. And, like, projecting that across, like, all people with autism, like, maybe you don't go around the country enough and actually see people because like there's they definitely don't they're only going to places that are singing their praises and that's why in their own heads are like everybody's saying this everybody's saying that so they build this like delusional complex of like everything i'm saying is right look how many people agree but they're visiting like 14% of the country in the other 86 if they're not going to and would tell them to fuck off and perhaps what do you

guys think about the Berberin, nature's ozimping. This is one last thing before we kind of pivot to a little sports and some job market stuff. Any input on this?

People are hoeing it nature's ozempic. I think it's another scam you've, any time you phrase like something as the natural form of a phartasmusumical

pharmaceutical. I like fartisical. Fartisutical. Yeah. I think it is a pharmaceutical. It's a fartisumical. It's a scam, right? So, like, anytime something natural, you're claiming is natural that is created in a lab, I think you should be wary of.

I'm just going to leave it. Well, they're just saying it's the nature's version of Ozempic. Well, so is it a fucking, yeah, so is fucking eating a chicken breast, you know. It does have the same long-term effects. It's not studied or approved by anybody rather than just your stay-at-home. So we should disregard this, right, hold. We should just. Well, it is a far-a-sutical.

It's just, Fartisutical. This is really, I accidentally stumbled on a shared idea. This is a goldmine. The new name for supplements that do not work are fartsuticals. The fartesutical industry is raping Americans' pocketbooks with protein rich waffles. I actually think that's a pretty good wrap up there.

Yeah. Okay. There is some stuff on the Epstein list that I thought was kind of interesting. Again, all this kind of got lost. in what happened, but I had a little summary. 18,000 emails from Jeffrey Epstein's Yahoo account leaked, and they have verified metadata that show in 2006, Epstein asked Galane Maxwell to remove Trump from a list of 51 people.

The list is mysterious, its exact purpose is unclear, and the email containing the request lacked a subject line or details explaining the list. the request came in amid escalating legal pressure on Epstein two months after he was charged with solicitation in Florida and before his non-prosecution deal

in 2007 that deal of course was given by Alex Acosta Trump's first secretary of agriculture If I were Q and on I'd be paying attention right now if I were a conspiracy theorist I'd be turning my eyeballs on I'd be paying attention to this but they always seem to turn off.

The writing's written on the wall. I don't know. I think this is one issue, the Epstein one on particular, that people are real steadfast on and ain't going to forget. They're going to acknowledge the other current events that are going on, but nobody is losing sight of this sort of shit. It's a metaphor, man. Trump has, like, dipped and dodged so much on this that, like,

I can't help but believe with, like, a very high degree of accuracy. I'd bet my future 10 houses on this, actually, that he's on that goddamn list. and it's pretty fucking obvious at this point you're going to buy 10 homes and this economy well that's what that's how confident i am yeah multi billionaire with my well when my personalized private when my privatized when my nine leg parley hits and i sell all your data with my rdws p i'll be set no dude i honestly think this one's kind of crazy because um think about it well this shows evidence think about it like them trying to remove his name right we've had a lot of evidence

and then this is no yeah this is no yeah this is Epstein himself trying to remove his name in 06 from this list this is an email obtained from him to Gleine Maxwell and I'm just like dude if he if Epstein had sent remove Obama to Galane Maxwell you'd never hear the end of this right but like I keep thinking about this in my head that this list shit is going to be like the NFL season we got to go 21 weeks like we got to go week after week after week after week and not have people get tired of this right and it has been how many weeks of well we did have the letter pop up this is just another thing and it's like another game in the

season and it's it's adding to it but for this team this list to go 17 weeks and win a Super Bowl I'll believe it when I see it man that the longer this is hard the longer this goes the more I feel like this is not going to be anything legitimate I'm like every I'm not seeing it escalating. I'm seeing it kind of kind of hit on it earlier. I think we need to wait until 2026 because that's the true barometer based on if the Senate is going to be steadfast

on being like release it. I don't think we're going to. I don't think we're going to. But this is breaking. This is a, you know, this stuff's coming out in the media and so he can always delegitimize it. But I do find it pretty fascinating that we've been going on this for a

fucking long time. And it's still hasn't. not going away and new things are popping up stories are being like the story is different you want to add the kirk thing in whether or not it's where it no no no no no you could i'm not doing that you can you can but i'm not even going to put that oxygen into the air but yeah dude i agree the chart what is worth talking about on the charlie kirk front is that was so significant will this stick around past that right will epstein resurface as the top story post close Charlie Kirk assassination.

If it does, it might have the legs. But it only has political baggage for Trump if he tries to run in 2028, which would mean we're in constitutional crisis. We've been there for a while already. He wants to have like a presidential legacy that isn't dog shit, which is fucking impossible. So I don't think there's any way his legacy doesn't follow him around forever, like, tarnished by many of the things he didn't say. Well, you guys, let's wrap real quick on some quick hitters.

we already talked about the purging of CDC leadership and the vaccine mandates, but I wanted to talk a little bit about the jobs numbers. Holden brought this up earlier. The Department of Labor Statistics revisited numbers and downratcheted almost a million, 911,000 fewer jobs were created between 2023 April and 2025 March than were originally reported. Now, some of that obviously goes back to the Biden administration, but this is also right around the time. that AI started becoming exceptionally useful. And so I think that these could be some early indications that we're seeing AI layoffs in the job market. What do you guys think about AI moving forward and, like, its ability to eliminate humans in the marketplace

and in the workforce? It seems like it would be harder to get ahead, like being kind of an entry-level job or fresh off college. Or it might be excited about finding a big person, and job making money, you know, getting out. Totally, that's the flip side of it, too. I think AI can be really helpful. I think it's going to be extremely detrimental.

I honestly, I don't really know what to think of it because I don't know enough about it. But I do know that the technology is rapidly expanding and getting so much better. I mean, chat GPT to chat GPT5 already. It's been like not even a year. I'm just, I just think that it can get so good and so big where, yeah, people who are doing these basic jobs that maybe take more time. that are just kind of pushing paperwork or doing very repetitive like jobs are going to probably see potentially see layoffs totally i mean i don't you think ai will do delivery and like like all of

your fast food stuff and like you're talking like drones AI and robotics for sure in the next couple years should be driving i bet you door dash i bet you fast well how long has elon been working on that like autonomous talk of taxi forever yeah so like i i think i don't think you're wrong i just think the time frame might be slightly off. I hope it's a long time time. Yeah, yeah. Same. The longer the better, honestly.

That's what I feel. I just feel like we're headed towards changes that are going to be really good. And Holden's right. If now is the best time ever to be an entrepreneur. Yeah. If you gave us these tools 10 years ago, they'd have been superpowers. But, you know, now everybody has them. And it's ultimately up to us how we're going to use them to enhance our lives.

There's a lot of new, like, this is going to become, like, being somebody who works with AI platforms and who has the, you know, the knowledge on how to do these new jobs that these, that they're going to be creating is going to become like a trade. Like, you're going to be able to go get a certification, um, somewhere, um, to be able to do these jobs and get paid more. I don't think it's going to necessarily require more like college education. I think it's going to require more certifications. Um, like my wife was saying like she's at work and she's using this new AI infrastructure and it's it's it's she's learned how to use it and so she says that she's like way more efficient and she says that like you know if anything is just helping the company

as a whole and she doesn't see any of losing their job from it at least right now and she made a good point too she's like you know there was a point we thought we'd have flying cars by like 2020 dude for sure for sure I don't want to sound like a catastrophist there's a world where we just have like marginally better large language models that and and nothing else yeah but like we just get to cheap chat gpt 97 and it becomes like the iPhone we're like yeah get the iPhone 17 you're like how is that any different from the 16 it's like well it's not but the the best thing is is an iPhone and it's fucking awesome right and it revolutionized my life and chat GPT is so effective as an lLM or perplexity or whatever they've revolutionized our lives what if it's just like well lLMs

were awesome and everybody over indexed for how AI was going to change our lives but it fucked up when we tried to do Amazon and shit. It was getting everybody's order wrong. And like, so it's just LLMs. Like, that could totally be it. It might. Is it also like a reality in which maybe it doesn't like fully replace jobs and like human,

human work? The co-pilot. The co-pilot. But like it produces a level of productivity like never seen before because that's why the market's doing what it's doing. Everyone's where like rips and these companies are like just the most efficient, most effective forms of themselves. like operating it like in the hundredth percentile.

Dude, a hundred percent. That is the bullish play. That is why the stock market today is at an all-time high at time of recording. When you hear this, don't be mad at me if it's not. But like at time of recording the stock market is at all-time high because of the optimism that you just verbalize, which is that what if AI in the next several years allows companies to experience a never-before-seen level of productivity? And how do we measure productivity in the American economy?

profit. What's the fastest way to get to a high place of profit to generate a ton of revenue? What's the second fastest way to lower your overhead? You can fire your way to profitability and you can AI your way to firing a bunch of people. And all I worry about is does the optimism of AI and the productivity that comes with it generate like a 10 to 15% workforce reduction that makes these companies super profitable, which is good for stockholders? But it might just generally be like the much a lot of the efficiency at first is from how it makes them better but ultimately down the road it's going to be the elimination of salaries i still think you're going to see layoffs yeah yeah i think it's inevitable because some jobs like like literally

10 000 jobs in 2025 explicitly have been tied to companies adopting AI tools that that is 10 000 that are lost there's more that's more than 2023 and 2024 combined duh retail finance hospitality and even law firms or kind of entry level positions This is what's interesting. Typically, when you see these highly inflationary signs, food costs going up, right? A number of labor opportunities going down. Unemployment up. Unemployment up.

Jobs available. Job, job. The job numbers revisions. The new job numbers revision, you would usually see the stock market react in a negative way. We're not seeing that anymore. I think it's offset by the AI optimism that Matt just described, which I think is hard for most people in America to articulate. And this is where Wall Street could articulate it really well.

I honestly think Matt's interpretation is the Wall Street interpretation of AI and probably the Wall Street interpretation of Trump. That's just like whatever he does for the economy is fine as long as he doesn't get in the way of AI. If it's his, the businessman narrative, obviously. Yeah, for him to just not get in the way of AI to just let it go. And he is pro-AI and pro-Rotel. And look at the markets rip in.

People are making money because of me. Hell yeah. And if the tariffs get pulled. lot by the Supreme Court, I bet the market actually likes that. It probably stays the same. I think the market likes it. At least yet. I think the market rips. That's my take. I think the Supreme Court should do him a favor

and strike that down, because it would make him look less politically and economically. Maybe he'll hear this and he'll give him the rate. You're still going after Lisa Cook at the Fed, which would normally like really like sked-dattle the markets. I guess Scott Besant told

Trump, like you just shut the fuck up about firing Jerome Powell because you're missing off the markets. And so I was like, dude, it did nothing when he's like, well, I'm going to fire Lisa Powell for having two mortgages. Lisa Cook, thank you. Oh, Lisa Powell is. Lisa.

I hope you know, this your job, Lisa Powell. Listen to the pod, Lisa Powell fired today by Trump because he's listening. Yeah. You don't hear this next week because we're in El Salvador. But I do think that normally, if there were not economic AI optimism, these signals would have. the stock market probably flat or trending in the wrong direction i think it would and when these these these big tech companies they're making a killing or they're investing so much because of the

optimism like you said yeah and they have the money to invest they do they do and we're building the data centers here kind of don't and then like so what 30% or 30 to 40% of the entire market is owned by these people oh yeah the all of the growth in the stock market is in like these seven to 10 companies too and like they're going to accumulate a lot of the wealth they have the big dude the if the AI vision you painted plays out nobody wins more than amazon right right like you got to think if amazon's labor force went to zero they would be unbelievably profitable nobody driving their tv trucks they're just driving to you autonomous drones oh my god right so like they want to invest in data centers they won't invest in this they want that stuff it's

going to drive growth but most americans don't own stocks they don't feel this and if you told them that the stock markets at all time highest, they'd say, fuck you. And they'd look back to the economic data we talked about in the last episode. Most Americans were struggling. My costs are through the roof. And we can't conceptualize investing on top of like the party high cost. Earlier in our previous episode, 3.2% higher total food costs, 2.7% when you're just eating at home. Almost 6% on meat, almost 2% on fruits, vegetables, and dairy.

That's, you know, significant year over. year change it probably equates to like five to ten percent more every year for the last several years on groceries we were promised that would go down it's not going down it's going up it's gone up more than it did at any point during the biden president's also on top of like people don't feel this optimism unless they're in the market and i could see a correction totally all right guys that does it for this episode if you enjoyed it please be sure to leave a five-star rating and review on apple podcasts as well as on spotify check us out on youtube share the this to your Instagram story. Follow the show and me and Matt and Holden on Instagram. Be sure to

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