Dynamic Dialogue with Danny Matranga - 412: Health Policies that WORK? GLP-1's, Cancel Culture + More

Episode Date: October 15, 2025

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Welcome in everybody to another episode of the Progressive Overload Project. As always, I'm your host, Danny Matranga, joined by co-hosts Matt LaCocco and Hosen King. Today, we're talking about public policy, some fitness and nutrition and lifestyle habits we could implement nationally, federally, that would make us healthier. Our critique of Maha is not only going to be just bashing it, but also coming up with some alternatives that are pretty good. We'll talk about the downfall of the new kind of compounded forms of GLP1 drugs. This is going to really affect weight loss.

It's going to affect trainers. This is going to affect fitness professionals, medical professionals, anybody working in and around weight loss, like the cutoff of these compounded forms of the drugs, going to cause a little bit of a hiccup for a while. We're also going to talk about Jimmy Kimmel, his recent firing, kind of what went into that, is cancel culture all the way back? And we'll talk about some interesting polling around some of the changes happening regarding vaccines,

talk about some sports stuff, as well as the looming government shutdown. But we'll go ahead and kick it off at the top, guys, with a little bit of what I would call purple health politics, just trying to come up with things that we think would be very effective at helping Americans live healthier. Obviously, a big reason Trump won is because, because he allied with Robert Kennedy,

who made tons of promises when he was running for president about making America healthy again. We're nine months in. We've looked over some of the work they've done in previous pods. I don't think we're impressed. I actually don't think that many conservatives are super impressed. The only people who are impressed are people who are pumping Maha are the celebrities and the influencers who were RFK adjacent,

who are basically being told to do it. it like i don't think anybody's super thrilled with it i don't think we're making a ton of progress and i bet you in four years our collective health's pretty bad so i'm wondering do you guys have anything you can think of like if you could wave a wand and pick a health policy for the country do you have anything that would like jump out to you i have a few that i like um i just i go right to i think i think our children's mental health or physical health is really important obviously the next up and coming generation so i think um free school lunches i think more nutrition um like academics like teaching more nutrition and and involving more fitness in schools

um countrywide i think that should be like a non-negotiable yeah we have pretty low p e standards and investment yes and uh i know we're i know he's doing a lot of things in and in grocery stores with these hyper-processed foods, like taking ingredients out. No, he's actually not doing any of that. No, he's not. Okay, he's saying he's going to do it. Companies are telling him they are going to do it

in exchange for a press release that makes the company look like they're making their food healthy. Just quick hitting, like no work being done, but we're making you think we're doing a lot of work for your health, but we really don't really give that much of a shit. And that's what I'm seeing. So I think one really good policy, if we're going to do anything in the grocery stores is to make our packaging better.

Like tell people how many calories on the front are in a certain food. Put that in bigger font. Take some of these foods that are right at the checkout and put them over somewhere else where they're just not convenient to just grab them when you're in line. Little things like that I think could make some change, some difference. Yeah, mine is a little bit more from like, I guess, the financial component, but it does like involve health and i do still think it's something that would continue to at least motivate people to be healthy and that's getting back a little bit of your health care premium

like almost like a tax refund if you're like in good shape and don't use it and don't really see a doc but do have like at least a regular test it's just hard though because like how do you verify that you're such an extremist no i think it's like i like these are good ideas but like I think money, dangling money would encourage people to get more healthy. Okay, so how do I know you're healthy enough to get this tax refund? Well, that's where I would like the one requirement is like an annual physical, which I do think is still important for people's like long-term health to least know where you're out on an annual basis. It is.

I can you just imagine people being like I didn't pass my physical so I'm not getting my tax refund and I think I should have passed my physical? Yeah, I could totally see like the shock factor that would have. And how much of this is going to happen that Faddy McFat fuck, who doesn't exercise at all, but his homies with his doctor, takes terrible care of himself who absolutely does not deserve a tax burden because likely they will become a burden. I guess I could see how people would take advantage of that. 100%. I think these are great ideas.

The whole point of this being up here is like, let's fucking hash it out. Let's go to war on it because these are the conversations that the health secretary won't have. He will only have conversations that end in him getting what he wants and his vision for America's health. So your point, Matt, is if you aren't, if you're, if you don't have a lot of wealth, if you're getting in good shape or in good shape, yeah. Yeah. And maybe aren't super wealthy.

Yeah. Sorry. To your point. Go ahead. Yeah. And you, you have a relatively low income, you know, you're at the bottom or the middle. And if you had more finances, you would be a hell of a lot healthier. And I think that is so true across the board.

No, I think what he's saying is you should get money for being healthy. Like, if you're healthy, you should get some of your percentage back of pain. I like that, but I also think that, like, you're going to be healthier if you're getting breaks. Yes, he could use that money to... Like, healthcare breaks, you know? Yeah, I think I have the answer to this one. Yeah, let's hear it. Just don't fucking pay for your health care in the richest country on earth.

Like, there's all your money back. I mean, that's more. And there's... Like, now you no longer have this problem of, like, I pay for something I don't use. No, you don't. You just have it in America. Right. Because we're a developed country.

And you don't have to pay this absurd premium. And ostensibly, yes, you're tax. taxes would go up, but it would also go up for people who are very rich. And, like, I do think you could totally rationalize. Like, everybody can get, like, Medicare. And if you want extra insurance on top of that, you can get, like, a supplement from Kaiser or whoever. Right.

But, like, reasonably young, healthy people shouldn't have these huge insurance premiums. And all we'd have to do is probably cut a little bit of budgeting from, like, the military. I think that would help a lot. Or maybe a little tax cut to billionaires, like, a few percentage points. I think that would help extensively. with that it could i think furthering education to i don't know if it's uh we comes up becomes a national it kind of goes back to we want free health care we want free education we want more support for for developing our children for having a children more incentives for that like all of this goes

back to becoming a more healthier nation and has nothing to do with the fucking ingredients in your food there's nothing to do with seed oils there's nothing to do with um changing the structure or the ingredients in hyper palatable food make people more incentivized to eat them and to consume them we're obviously continuing to get fatter we're continuing to become healthier and the stressors in our day-to-day life when it comes to just finances i think that's huge when my buddies call me the day he made a huge deal at his work he's like oh i can actually sleep good my stress levels are way lower because i just paid some money it's like oh go figure um yeah i think holden to like continue to add to your point it's like we are cutting all these corners and look where

got us. Well, you guys are also pointing out, like with your physique, you know, or whatever, mental health, even how you feel about yourself. I think you guys are pointing out like the economic effect of like how that affects your health, right? Like that's what you're saying. Your body

sleeps better because he has money. Yes. Yeah. That's true. Like most Americans are not in the top 10% and they probably have their principal stressor as finances. For sure. So it's like yeah, you probably can't be a super healthy country until you fix

the wealth and equality gap but like from a policy standpoint you're not going to be able to do that easily yeah that would take yeah I think this would be a fun one yeah let's do something that would be a nice quick hitter with the wand you know

liberals would hate this and conservatives would hate this liberals would hate this because they don't think you should be able to tell anybody how they spend their food stamp money and conservatives would hate this because they have an irrational terror of fucking artificial sweeteners, but just make it so that SNAP no longer works on sugar-sweetened beverages. Sugar-sweetened beverages are a uniquely stupid thing for Americans to be consuming 140 calories a day

from sugar-sweetened beverages, 50,000 calories a year from sugar-sweetened beverages. So you cut that out, that's probably 10 to 15 pounds of body fat. That SNAP money works on all zero-calorie diet drinks. No longer does it work on sweetenny. Wheaton beverages, meaning you can take that snap money and buy Diet Coke, but you cannot take the SNAP money to buy regular Coke. And the Libs would be pissed because you should let people buy what they want with their snap money, and they need to be able to buy ultra-processed foods because ultra-processed foods

are inexpensive. Okay, fine, fine. You can fucking do that, Libs. Let them buy it. You can buy whatever you want, just from the category of sugar, sweetened beverages, you can only buy the diet ones. I think that's fair. I think that would make a huge, fucking difference.

It doesn't seem like it. a big ask, but the result could, like, be very impactful. It would just prove once and for all calories are the biggest driver of weight loss. I think the biggest issue facing American public health is obesity. It's not seed oil. It's not red dye.

It's obesity. Does Snap cover like Pop Tarts? Snap covers whatever you want. Snickers. It covers everything. Just no liquid calories. Like in your what you're telling me here. Yeah, I don't want to have the war of Snap no longer covers ultra-processed foods. I don't want

to do that. I don't think it has to be that extreme. I think that the most obvious one is rework snap so that it can no longer buy like soda. Like that one change would be interesting because I don't think it feels like you're taking anything from anyone. You're not dehumanizing anyone

and saying you can no longer use your food stamps to buy this, that, and the other. You're literally just saying, we only cover diet drinks for America's public health. Like, genuinely, America's public health professionals should say soda is stupid. Diet soda is good. They won't say that.

Well, he's saying cane sugar is actually better than high fructose corn syrup. Yes, because they're idiots. So, I know. Because they're fucking it. Well, one of them is a. That's why this one. The fat. The guy who says that drinks 12 Diet Coke's a day.

I know. I don't give a fuck with Don't. Donald Trump says about cane sugar. The smartest thing that guy does is drink 12 diet coax a day. That's the best thing he does, okay? I don't, listen, if they were regular coax, J.D. Vance would be president. Yeah, he would have a coronary by now for sure. That's a fact.

We're talking about, like, adding 1,600 calories to this guy's diet every day at 80 years old and already obese with vascular disease. For real. Not going to work. No. The diet soda choice single-handedly expresses. why it's better if you're going to be a massive soda consumer to do diet, I think it's hilarious that Trump is kind of like the pusher of the cane sugar is better

because his choice to drink diet soda is incredibly smart. Yeah, just another example of like Pepsi or Coke, they're not going to do this. They're going to talk about it. They're going to make a headline. They're going to make people think that we're actually trying to make America healthier. Smoking mirrors, man. Yeah. That is what is frustrating to me.

They're in it to make money. attention and kind of just seeing seeing the writing on the wall and that's what we're talking about this. Yeah, I think it's, I think that the changes have been very tiny. Like we have a few companies that have volunteered to take a few items,

like, or ingredients out of some of their products. And we'll talk about this a lot when we get towards the end, but like the regression on some of the other stuff, whether it's science investment or vaccines, is like in a wildly awesome. offsetting that like like it will become very very clear uh i don't know if you guys that i got another policy idea that i like is like i feel that kids should be able to through their school

get like a zero to no cost gym membership like that way they have something they could do extracurricular i think we could we could probably subsidize this especially in like inner cities where kids have a proclivity for getting into not so good stuff after school if they don't have structure right now my wife when i said this to my wife she was like in the gym's just going to be fucking full of like annoying high schoolers it's like okay great point great fucking point but maybe we build more parks maybe we build more you know community fitness centers like that sounds so woo-woo and crazy but we're going to build a goddamn iron dome in the middle of the country like 35 billion dollars for this giant titty missile titty

to sit in the middle of the country and shoot fucking literally collect us if bro If we ever have to use the Iron Dome, we're kind of fucked because we already have incredible missile defense systems. They keep us safe. Bro, it kills me that, like, that's what he signs up for when he hates windmills. Like, the ugliest possible thing in the very center of the country. An Iron Dome surrounded by nuclear salt-powered data centers. The concept of an iron, the concept of an Iron Dome, I don't, I haven't really looked into it.

I cannot. You guys, imagine it's not an iron dome. No, it's not iron. No, it's golden. It's golden. We're fucking up. It's literally the golden dome. The awesome powers gold finger.

Dude, the golden dome. I would love to see how much we could improve public health if we took the golden dome budget and just used it on public health. What is the golden dome budget? I think it's multiple billions of dollars. I'm a little bit embarrassed to say that I don't know this. but I know that we expanded ice by $35 billion and the number $35 billion comes to mind but I feel that I'm conflating the ice budget

with the Iron Dome budget but I want to say the Iron Dome budget is something around $35 billion for the construction and completion of the Iron Dome but I wonder if anyone else's head goes here nobody here knows how to use chat GPT $175 billion over three years Oh I apologize guys it's actually

The estimate. Five times when I thought it was. In May, that was the May estimate of what it would cost to $175 billion. Yeah, we could probably build some fucking jams and underserved communities for that. We could probably pop up some badass parks. We could probably fund a whole hell of a lot of healthy food. 770 million, you guys, 770 million was the local food for schools program that we cut. Pretty sure you could do that forever and ever and ever and ever.

ever with $175 billion. So we are just going to, we're going to forever be able to defend ourselves from an attack externally, but we will never be able to defend our health from its internal failing. Just more, more case of obesity, type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular disease,

and we're going to create, we're going to just build the knowledge to how to get out of it. Yeah, how many people thought, though, think that like, okay, we're going to build this gold dome and like, man, how are astronauts going to get to space. There's going to be a gold layer.

They're just hitting a force field. The dome does not cover the entire America, bro. Just the red states. We're never going to be able to get out. God damn it,

we built the golden dome and planes don't work anymore. Shit. Nobody, we didn't think about that. Fuck. No more domestic, international travel

because the dome just goes like over every corner. Bro, does this dome just like levitate? No, I literally, I'm a missile. My image of this is that it is a giant half dome that basically sits in the fucking middle of bumfuck nowhere in like a cornfield somewhere and has such advanced military technology that if a missile gets within, I don't know, 100 kilometers of the U.S. coastline, then it will fire something off like wicked fast and probably send a hypersonic missile to immediately like neutralize the target.

Right. Okay, that's really cool. We already have that. We don't need it. We don't. We already have that. Is there a website? Great.

Christian's showing you a website. $175 billion. Well, I don't need to know anything more about the Golden Dome. To Holden's point, weight loss and like managing obesity and diabetes are really important. That would be probably more of a priority for me. And because we wanted to manage those, did you guys know we actually had emergency authorization for the compounding of GLP1 drugs? Emergency.

So compound pharmacies could produce. these glp1 drugs like symeglutide or loraglutide or tersepitide but now the mass production starting to say that hey you might not be able to do it anymore right so like mass production and a lot of the stuff that you get from telehealth is compounded so for example when you go on when you throw on tv and you're watching an NFL game and now it's like beer commercial ed pill commercial beer commercial um that's eligible testosterone our own slash the g lp1 compounding commercial. Your commercial, best night sleep commercial.

Yeah. So you're seeing like these, you see, you guys are familiar with these companies that offer medical solutions to problems. And they're like, if you have ED or like anxiety or whatever, like you can download our app and talk to a doctor and like 10 minutes will connect, you know, like the whole, it's very clear that the whole pathway is like this is a very easy way to get meds that you need a prescription for you guys know these companies or some of them they have really exploded post-covid because of these emergency authorizations that allow them to compound drugs

that are technically like oh like they can compound the generic so what you're saying is they can add something to them so they're not like like like you go and they can add like vitamins or they can make technically yeah i'm sure they could yeah a lot of compound pharmacies are making like injectable B vitamins or Al-Carnatine. And they might be less effective or they might be unhealthy and you could run into some problems. If they want to make semi-glutide, they can. They can't make Ozympic.

They can make the generic version of Ozempic, which is the same thing, but they can't label it Ozempic. They can't call it Ozimping. But because we've deemed this an emergency and these drugs treat this emergency, they are allowed to be compounded by companies like Merrick Health, by

companies like hymns and hers by companies like row the one that serena williams worked for and they're so this is essentially like this like a safeway select version of like all of the if you're listening to this and you don't have safeway this is just the generic store brand of exactly like every store you go and shop at like walmart or target has their store brand this is just generic versions of the drugs that you can get have you guys heard people be like, dude, Ozambics, like, fucking $1,200 a month. Yeah. When it's not covered by your insurance, these drugs are super duper expensive when you get

them directly from the company that makes them. But if you get the generic, they're a lot cheaper, and you can oftentimes pay out of pocket. So most people you know who are using these drugs are on a compounded version, but compound pharmacies are getting shut down. Like, GLP1 compounding pharmacies are getting shut down. And it could be because... Public health stuff. outside pressure, like, okay, I am

a Novo Nordisk. I'm the big Danish company behind. I think it is Ozmpic. And they're like, dude, what the fuck? We want to make money on our product. And you guys are just selling it from these pharmacies that compounded and maybe it's sketchy. It's not our product. It's not nearly as effective as our product. And we think you should stop. And we want you to stop. And we're going to put pressure on you to stop. I think a lot of what's happening is probably that. And like after a certain amount a time you're allowed to make generics so we're always going to have these generics but i do think it's interesting i think a lot of the pressure to cut it off is possibly coming from the quote-unquote

big pharma but i've i've heard some really interesting takes on this like i've heard i've heard people saying things like fuck yeah dude this medication should only be for people who really have obesity and really have diabetes and these sketchy clinics that'll just give it to anybody they're making it harder. And so I don't disagree with that take either. I just think it's interesting we're at our kind of first seminal moment with these gLP technologies. Do you think for like a hypothetical example for like allowing it only for those who like really suffer from obesity and not that like little percentage of people that want to lose like five to 10 pounds that you could see people like run away with their health to get obese in order to get access to it? No, I think that would be the dumbest thing

in the world. Like if you only, there's some dumbest things going on right now. I don't. So you think they're hiding behind the risk factors? No, no, no. I was just curious if you could see a world in which, like, they limited it specifically to those obese individuals. That's what's kind of happening through this pathway. It's like it's becoming more difficult to get it if you're not clinically obese and getting it administered to you by a physician.

These companies would have physicians write prescriptions, but it's not nearly as thorough through telehealth as it would be through your doctor. A lot of the telehealth companies exist basically. to just sell you the meds. They want you to want to get on the meds. Right. Because they'll compound them. But I do think that we want to probably keep them away from people who only want to lose 10 pounds.

Because like a GLP one is not really worth using if you only have 10 pounds to lose. Right. And if you're getting it from one of these pop-up shops, there's... Yeah, probably even less safe. Yeah. There is a dark market. Like, I have to lose 10 pounds, but I want my compounded version of this. Does not make a lot of sense to me.

But we, I think we need to get these drugs to people because if we don't, I think obesity continues to run unchecked. And we had our first drop in adult obesity in 2024 and I think it's because of these drugs. I do too. I don't know what else it would be. Yeah, I don't, I don't see the problem with making them accessible to more people, even if they don't at this point, at this point, I know this is crazy because I didn't think this at first. But even if they don't have obesity or even if they don't, I mean, there's an extent to what is healthy. 9.9 BMI and you're pretty fucking overfaxed. There can be some nuance with this, I think, and I think it should be available to more

people and it should be affordable because it seems like it's pretty freaking safe and it seems like people are getting skinnier and healthier because of it. I do think it's pretty interesting that like you, like if this is the closest thing we have to like a quote unquote pill for obesity and we just spent the whole first fucking part of the podcast talking about how obesity is our principal public health issue. yes it is i wonder how much it would cost to just cover ozempic for the 200 million americans who are obese and it's probably less than that when you factor in adults i i bet you it wouldn't it would be possible not that you would want to just blanket prescribe it and like obviously people have

you people be like oh my god what about all the unintended consequences it's a great point who knows we don't know but i would be fascinated like if what if everybody who is eligible just got on one because we made it super affordable and made it so that like medicare would cover it glp one because right now the whole thing is not enough insurance will cover them so people want to get them other ways because people are so desperate to use them to lose weight and like six people in my in my circle who are doing that probably who are going outside and finding other ways to get access to this that seems to be not necessarily cheaper

but it's more so selling them on hey you know what if you take that you're gonna gain the weight back again you need to do what I'm giving you there's a lot of that going around a lot of misinformation on that kind of stuff like if you take Ozimic and you stop

you'll gain weight way faster and if you take this way go be with these extra vitamins in them in there and that's totally there's a lot of that happening and then I think maybe that's part of it And I think I read back in 2012, there was like a fungal meningitis outbreak because some of these compounding, like, steroid injections killed 100 people. I could see that.

Made like 700 people sick or something. So I think that's part of the FDA stance. I mean, yeah. Dude, I don't think these compounding pharmacies are all like above ground. Like some of them could be totally sketchy. 100%. And imagine injecting. Injecting sketchy meds.

And these people, you know, they're also giving diet advice. And it's kind of scary. I mean, what's really crazy is you can get this shit at like a beauty salon. Yeah. It's like, okay, you know, hey, this is a place where people come to get Botox. So we have a doctor here. And my doctor knows that we need to make profits. And he's probably going to make sure that you qualify for this.

You know who wants to take weight loss? medication, women who want Botox. This will blow your fucking mind. What percentage of adults who use Ozempic? I'm sorry, okay. What percentage of adults who use weight loss slash obesity medication are male? And what percent are female? Oh, it's huge.

It's probably like 13% male and like 87% female. That's just, I think it's in the opposite. it you think it's more men than women yeah it's disproportionately more women than men oh yeah that doesn't surprise me but 78% of people who use a gop 1 are women wow i'm pretty sure that the obesity rate is 50 50 right down the middle there's about 55 million obese women about 50 million obese men in america well this goes back 39 and 40% i got i brought some stats back to what you talked about how much would it cost to cover for every single

obese person. So there's about 110 roughly million obese individuals and annually like about 13,000 per year for this particular prescription per person which comes to the tune of about 1.43 trillion or like only 2% of all the money brought in by tariffs and eight months by Trump

$17 trillion. We have Actually, we didn't bring in $17 trillion. I think we talked about this on the pod. That is not at all true. $32 billion, which is exactly what the tax on tip savings would be. Yeah, yeah. No, but he went on the air and was like $17 trillion has come in.

It's prohibitively expensive. Yes. We could not. It would be roughly 30% of U.S. health care spending. Yeah, we could not. But it would be interesting to see how health care spending would change if we eliminated obesity. Because you would be saving money at other places. Yeah, it's like a short, like, in a short term.

But you said it's 13,000 per year, which assumes we're paying $1,000 per person for the dose that is administered and produced by the manufacturer. Ask, we're going to move on, but I want to have you ask GPT this. Give me the price to do this with compounded medication. I'm very curious. So it's $1.3 trillion to give every American of Zembek and solve obesity. Compound, GLP ones. Yeah. I think they're, I think we could do it.

We can build a military, no iron don't. He always, no, golden dome. We don't need the military anymore. We're all so skinny and hot. Nobody wants to attack us. Some of it. Our military is like three times a size of the second largest military. Oh, no, it's way more than that.

More than three. Oh, dude. Okay, Dan, you're ready for this? I'm pretty sure that the, America's military is bigger than the nine largest militaries beneath it combined. I don't doubt that at all. I think we have like... The smallest peepies.

The biggest, baddest military of imaginable. I think it's crazy. Are you ready for this? Okay. So compounded semi-glutide or... We're not using America's not going to fix its obesity crisis with brand names. So we go to... We're using bootleg compounding ones.

If you move away from like the brand name, 13,000 per year and go to the compounds, you're able to whittle it down to 3,600... Oh, boy. ...solid obesity. Per year. Here we go. What's the cost? It's not even a trillion. It's like $3506 billion per year.

That's one half, that's two iron domes. From 30% of U.S. health care spending to 8%. If 8% of U.S. health care spending solves obesity, I think we're golden because I think the total health care costs plummet after solving obesity. Well, that's the thing. It's a short term. And long term, you get less likely to seek help and use the goddamn medication. That's the whole point.

Men, let go of your egos and be a part of this. The reason that the men's are so bad is because they don't use it, or they discontinue use. Just kind of goes back to, you know, women are more likely to seek help for their health problems than men. Because, you know, sometimes you've just got to be a man and you've got to deal with it yourself. Not a good necessarily mindset to have.

Go get help. There's a lot of options out there. Take advantage of our health care system. take advantage of these resources that we now have available. Yeah, men are historically bad at taking care of themselves. So bad. And, like, government issued OZMPIC won't fix everyone's problem. But I actually think that's a fantastic social question.

It's like, will Maha ultimately do less than if we just issued, you know, every American compounded, all 100 million obese Americans compounded? Yes, but RFK needs to step the fuck down. and everyone on the vaccine panel He said even if he doesn't And it goes to the same rate The polling is saying that Now before we talk about him Maybe getting fired

Let's talk about Jimmy Kimmel For sure getting fired Yeah So we'll go through a little timeline here But you cancel culture's been around For a long time I remember when the Wright said You can't cancel comedy man

And I even remember Elon on the campaign They're trying to cancel comedy Legalize comedy Legalize comedy And it's like okay Well, I'm pretty sure Jimmy Kimmel got fired, not for his Charlie Kirk comments, but for his, like, frequent comedic behavior around Trump and the fact that he's made a lot of comments about Epstein and Trump. But basically what happened was he made a joke that conservatives didn't like on Tuesday of last week, which would be, you know, recording in the middle of the month. But it was about Charlie Kirk's death and Donald Trump pivoting from a question from a reporter and saying, the reporter.

asks the president like how are you holding up and he's like i think i'm doing pretty good hey look over there that that tractor knows we're building the ballroom over there guys isn't that great and it's like a level of disingenuousness that anybody who has two brain cells would expect from the president because this is who he is yeah he is super transactional he did not love charlie crook like he says he did he loved that he got him elected he also followed it up with like the most on brand thing for him too, which is skip the vigil, co-golfing. Yes, yes. And it's like, if that doesn't

show you, he did not give a fuck. Like, I don't think, like, I don't know what will. Comedians should illustrate to their audience as they're trying to bring peace to an America that's deeply divided. That Donald Trump didn't give a shit about Charlie Kirk enough to go to his own memorial or to say publicly,

yeah, and totally grieving my friend who was so important to my election and whose values he would speak for proudly and to debate publicly in a way that I couldn't. Right. I'm just still grieving. And I'm feeling for his family and his kids.

Not what like any normal president would say. He's like, yeah, I'm doing all right. Check out the construction. Yeah, look what I'm doing. And so the joke was literally, I think Kimmel said like, oh, yeah, he's in the fourth stage of grief. Construction. Yeah, that was amazing.

And I played it for my wife. She laughed out loud. She was like, that was really funny. And like, I thought it was a well-written joke. Very well. And ultimately it proved so offensive that the FCC was. which is this government agency that regulates, like, TV, basically said that when it comes to issuing license,

this is Brandon Carr, this guy who is 40, but looks like he's 75, cannot believe this guy. He's the author of Project 2025 as well. Yeah, I think he's really involved with it. For what it's worth, people. He wrote that project. How do you feel about it, he's the author. Him and our boy, whose name I can never remember,

Russ vote Yeah Those are the two But he was on a podcast Like yeah look We can do this The easy way or the hard way You can either take them off the air

To take the licenses away But we're not gonna let people go on air And lie about what happened That's so loud And it's like pro We know that Jimmy Kimmel Did not say that that kid Was killed by some crazy liberal

Or by some MAGA He kind of danced around it You're taking him off the air Because he pissed off Trump And like Dude Everybody's pissed about this. Joe Rogan's pissed about this. Andrew Schultz is pissed about this. Tim Dillon is pissed about

this. All the bro Manosphere podcasters who got Donald Trump elected are pretty fucking mad at him for how he's handling immigration and how he's handling free speech. And frankly, what the fuck did they think was going to happen? Not Project 2025, I guess, even though like things have laid out in the ways they've laid out. but yeah i don't know i've talked to a few people like in my worlds about kind of the censorship of what appears to be the first amendment which they're obviously like crazy about in protecting um and they're like yeah what the fuck what like what where do we go from here like i also find it funny that like trump is just so thin skin like he constantly talks shit on true social name calling just like terrible ratings terrible he talked about protecting

free speech in an executive order he signed in 2025 said no more sign an executive order specifically about like saying nasty shit yeah he literally yeah he that was part of his campaign promises hold him i mean now you're also hearing all the conservatives say well this is just a private business removing somebody who they want to remove like all the social media companies did you're hearing them say things like trump literally got kicked off twitter when he was president so like how big of a deal is it that Jimmy Kimmel's getting kicked off. Yeah, I've heard, I've heard it's like, well, like he's been saying it for years.

Like Jimmy Kimball's been dunking on Trump for like years. And I was like, really, okay, well, if he has, why, why was this, like the straw that broke the camels back? Because he's been doing it forever. They are going to weaponize Charlie Kirk's death to continue to push their

agenda and their ideologies on us and they are going, it's sad. They're going to use this guy. This guy with a family who, got shot in pure fucking daylight and they're going to, and they are going to use it to further divide us to make more money, to control the media, to do all the shit that we kind of saw coming. This is just, this is just so much fuel for them. Yeah. I think it was Tucker Carlson said something to the effect of, you know, if Charlie Kirk were alive to see what was

happening to Jimmy Kimmel, he'd be pissed. Yeah, he would have. This is not what he lived for. He lived for the expression of the First Amendment and the ability to make comments. Like, in the wake of Charlie Kirk's death, a lot of the discourse and anger has been around people bringing up things he said. I know. Conservatives are like, not right now. We are trying to have a moment here. Right.

And we don't want to be reminded of the things that he said that weren't so wholesome. Okay. Fine. There not. We will concede that he said some shit that was objectively awful. Right. And that, yeah, now might not be the time to use that to, like, rationalize assassination. That's terrible for fucking everybody. But there's no doubt in my mind that the left's, like, choice or the adult left, not the childish dance on his grave left, but the adult left's choice to be like political violence is bad.

Nobody should be doing this. We all can, everyone is being matched by the, like, institutional right being like, this is our moment. He got shot. let's fucking take it and run with it let's completely like step over his grave and all of his wishes about free speech and use this to seize more power like let's use this to our benefit even if it frankly does taint the man's memory if you're a charlie carter how can you not get behind that how can you not get behind that i think a lot of them are frustrated i actually think they are there's also some crazy shit happening in the republican party around the assassination

like with Candice Owens being like because she's such a huge voice she's like this was 100% Israel like this is all Israel and so there's there's just tons of fractures because Maga's like we have all the Nazis we also have all the Zionists we also have all the like give Israel

whatever they want we also have the why aren't we spending that Israel money here it's like such a divided house they're so they've been all been fighting about that the last 10 days I honestly don't know how many of them have stopped until recent like with the Jimmy Kimmel thing to go like wait a minute

like let's stop fighting with each other over how Charlie Kirk died and like stop for a minute and realize that Trump just fucked us and like honestly Joe Rogan Tim Dylan the comedians all caught it but comedic right caught it because I think they are right to be like oh my god in three years we're so unbelievably fucked because if we set an example or we normalized the federal government de-platforming people who make fun of the president

with the cacophony of shit we have said about Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Pete Buttigieg, Nancy Pelosi, every instant, every fucking person of the left. When the left regains control of whether it's the House or the Senate

or the executive branch, all three, they're going to turn this very power right back on us and fucking destroy us. Yes. If you, like, okay, you cannot, you cannot normalize, like, oh, I don't like you, so I'm kicking you off the air. No. Yeah. Because Gavin Newsom is going to come on and be like, yeah, Joe Rogan, you never had me on your show. You say some stupid shit about vaccines. You're wavering in popularity, and I stand to lose nothing because my base will love this. And I'm kicking you off the air. Yeah, see you, buddy. And I'm actually going to gain popularity with my base.

Do you think he would do that? why wouldn't he it's unconstitution is it we'll find out well i hope it is it is it i think our amendments are i don't know man i i think they're being tested that's what i think yeah they're definitely and i think the reason every right-leaning comedian is coming to jimmy kimball's defense is because they're terrified of what will happen in three years okay if gavin newsome won't what about president mom donnie or president a i'm not scared about what the left is going to do in three years that scares the shit out of these people. I'm scared of what we're going to be in three years with this current administration,

not what the left's going to do. That's kind of where my... I think that that's what they're worried about, though. I think that that's why they're being vocal. Because they're like, oh, okay, so we can de-platform comedians. The federal government can de-platform comedians. Trump's losing popularity quickly. If we have a left-leaning government,

and you're right, maybe Gavin wouldn't do that. Maybe AOC would. I don't fucking know. I really don't. But I will tell you what, I bet my ass Joe Biden would have. I really do. I really believe, like, if during COVID you told Joe Biden, you can, like, de-platform some of these people, like, without any cause. Like, I think he might have.

I think it could have been something that possibly happened, right? I don't know for sure, but I think that this opens the door for all of that, and that we should all be scared. because there is an iteration of the left that is not very thoughtful and that does think some pretty stupid things. And like, there's probably a version of the left that if I said, hey, trans men should not compete against biological women and they had this power three years ago, that was really unbelievable that you said that.

Your comedy shows over. I could totally have seen that happening. That's my honest belief. Yeah, I've never seen any, since I've been in politics. which hasn't been super long. I haven't seen anything like that. I think Joe Biden had an opportunity to cancel people. And I think he didn't.

Well, he tried to cancel his own vice president. I'll tell you that. We'll talk about that at the end of the episode. I think, like, I'm done defending Joe Biden. I get it. I'm a piece of shit. Like, I really do. Like, I'll tell you guys now, because, like, I couldn't believe this when I read this.

And maybe Joe Biden, Joe Biden's a good man. Joe Biden's a good person. Joe Biden's been through a lot This was like an inexcusable move But like the day that Kamala Harris Was going to debate Donald Trump Joe Biden decided to call her Before the debate

And on this call he brought up two specific things One, he reiterated to her That he did not lose his first debate to Trump That his first debate performance to Trump Did not affect him with the base or in the polls And that this was all unfair The second thing he said to her was that he heard she'd been talking some shit

and that his brother and friends out in Philadelphia weren't going to rally around her, support her in Pennsylvania. Wow. Not congratulations, I'm proud of you, kick his ass. Not go get him, Tiger. Right. Just a senile, 82-year-old man who should not have been president. We should have absolutely resigned from the presidency,

being a fucking petulant little bitch. Yeah, that's kind of fun. I find that to be either proof positive that he was totally senile. Yes. It had no business being president. That could be part of it. Or proof positive that that position will corrupt you and turn you into a power-hungry ideal. I was so disappointed when I heard that. That's going to be in her book when it comes out. But imagine you are the vice president of the United States. You're going to go out into the lion's den.

I know. And she performed incredibly well in spite of this call. Yeah, seriously. But I imagine the president calls you before your day. debate and tells you that that's crazy i would be fucking that makes me feel dude i would like just sit there we're going to find out a lot more about joe biden when everybody's done reading that book it made me feel like he knew it's all that wholesome that made me feel like he knew and people around him knew that he was not fit to run again but he said you know what fuck that i want the power again

i want to be president yes so i'm just going to go ahead and do it even though it's going to get don't trump elected and how about this even though i promised to be a transition president in 2020. He promised to not stick around for an exceedingly long period of time. Yeah. Let's close out with another crazy old guy who also wanted to be president. We're back to RFK here, which is, I was surprised to see. Yeah, I think Kennedy wants to run in 2028.

No doubt about it. Well, just with the, if you look at the history, his history. Well, yeah, he ran for president in 2024. There is. Number one correlative with wanting to run for president in 2020. Doing that again. Did you want to run in 2024? Yeah.

And yeah, you're right. He wanted Hillary Clinton's Senate seat. I think we've talked about that on the pod. He wanted to run for Congress. He thinks he's his uncle reincarnated. He thinks he's like really special. But the American people sure don't. It seems like his popularity is really weakening. And the data that's come out around what Republicans think about vaccines, it is a little concerning to me. He's most popular with Republicans. But the more he does these vaccine here, hearings, he just plummets with Democrats and plummets with independence. Okay. So what's Republican? It's the loyalty. They're loyal to him. What's the percentage of Republicans that support him now compared to the percentage that's supported him before he joined the Trump cabinet administration?

Well, because I want to see, has that gone up? Has that gone down? Is that staying pretty flatlined? I think it's gone up with Republicans because the narrative is changed. and it's gone down with independents and Democrats who see this ma-ha thing as being relatively ineffective and now we're getting the vaccine shit that everybody was worried about.

Like, he won't actually go crazy about the vaccines. Yeah, I mean, that's kind of his whole thing, guys. That's his biggest thing. That's what those adjusted numbers tell me is that like it's vaccine related. If independents and Democrats are both going to now find him a little bit even more repulsive, and obviously the conservative side of things.

People tend to not like people telling him how to raise their kids off of. Of course. Making fucking clothes for toddlers. It's not making clothes, but putting logos on them for toddlers. That is weird. So you're telling me this guy who's done that

and known to do that before this is not going to be anti-backs. We're not going to try to push his fucking agenda. Okay, check this out. I have the polling, boys. You're like literally in a onesie. So this was published on September 9th. 19th, 2025.

Oh, my God. Flattering photograph. After Robert F. Kennedy went up and... Bro, what was that, Mel Gibson? I don't want to talk. Microwave Mel Gibson. Okay, so Americans have a less favorable review of RFK after his calamitous Senate hearing,

according to polling from the Washington Post and Ipsos. Fake polling. Since the hearing, Kennedy has made several other statements and has kept himself mired in controversy, including implying that video games cause mass shootings. By the way, guys, I got my wife playing video games now, so watch out. And Tylenol causes autism, which I was actually just happy he didn't say it was vaccines. I don't know anything about Tylenol and autism, but I was 100% expecting it to be vaccine.

So that honestly felt like a win. But here's the data. The secretary's minus 13 approval rating is six points worse than the minus 7 he scored in June. when pulled by Pew Research. It is 20 points worse than the plus seven he scored in April. That's bad. I'd like to remind you guys that April, right around April, I know, this is all going so fast,

but that's when Trump's polling started really dropping off a cliff because that's when we started to see Immigration Day, Liberation Day. There's no immigration day. We're definitely not getting an immigration day. Hey, guys, welcome to Immigration Day. If you immigrated from anywhere other than America, get in this cage, and get the fuck out. Thank you for coming.

But, like, Liberation Day. So, Trump has leaned more into the health stuff. Like, that's why we got the Coke stuff, because he was aware that, like, RFK was kind of helping him. RFK's popularity was plus seven in April, minus 13 now. Here's what's crazy. predictably split amongst partisans 86% of Democrats

disapprove that did not shock me not at all, not at all more educated 30, okay here's what's crazy 76% of Republicans approved how much of that you think is like

well if this many Democrats oppose it's partisanship we got it 76% of registered Republicans I'm telling you this right now Wow. 76% of registered Republicans are not anti-vax. No.

No, I don't think so. There's so many registered Republicans who vaccinate their kids. Absolutely. Yeah. He has probably lost, I bet you that that was in the 90s and that this vaccine stuff has caused it to go down. I really believe that because listen to this.

Interestingly, Kennedy only notched a 31% approval rate with independence. That's so low. That number has dropped. Thank you. He was running as an independent. He had built and queried favor with independence. So he has lost popularity with Republicans.

He's completely lost all of his popularity with Democrats. And he's really dropped with independence because I think what the data is telling us is like the vaccine crazy shit has gone a little too far with people who don't identify vaccination as a political thing that's what i'm that's what i'm seeing in the data and that's why you're seeing some of these unions happening on the west coast and on the east coast when it comes to vaccine policy health policy and how they're going to stay up to date on the standards and what science tells us and it's like man that's cool to live to live in one of these places well that's the power of the u.s you know we have that federalist system where states

are, it's interesting because Republicans were always the party of states, rights, get the fuck off our back, federal government, let us run our state, how we want to run our state, and now the left, more left of center states are using that positioning with regards to vaccination. Like, we don't care what your schedule is. We don't care what your recommendations are. Like, we feel that the science is more aligned with the previous recommendations. So that's what we're going to try to do. Yeah, we're not, I almost said the R word there. yeah we're not completely yeah we're not idiots we're not idiots we see the trends we see how amazing vaccines are the data is pretty clear more we want more money put into this stuff right

we want we want to find out we want to find more we want science to continue to grow to continue to progress with the scientific method continue to be something that we use in this country for the health of everybody else and you're not going to fucking take that from us no so that's cool i i i'm really that i didn't know that i know there's a state by state they can kind of do their own thing to an extent. I didn't know that this was something that they could do as well. Well, the battle over health care, this is going to be our closing bit, but the battle over health care and who gets it and whether you get snap

and how much we're going to pay for Obamacare subsidies and all these rural hospital things, and all of this stuff is under the umbrella of HHS, right? A lot of this stuff, this is going to be the number one driver of the looming government shutdown. because we need to pass at the end of this month a bill that basically funds the government for the next several months and says, like, we got a budget, we're going to move forward with it. And there's a lot of talk that Democrats won't fund the government. They're going to shut it down by not voting to fund the government.

And how long is that going to go on for? They're going to hold out. Historically, they don't last that long. I think we talked off air that we've had three in our lifetime and that they're pretty short. But their theory of the case. Because we have Donald Trump as a president right now. So this could go on. Who knows?

It'd be very interesting to see how Donald Trump would. Rich people aren't going to be affected, right? We haven't seen. There's not going to be a lot of politicians affected. Yeah, they won't get paid. What's interesting is like things like the national parks will be closed. You know, you see small, weird things happen when the federal government is closed. But there's a lot of people in the federal government who are living paycheck to paycheck who are going to get hit hard by this and always do.

For sure. But we have at this point, we don't really have. But at this point, I don't think you're going to see the Democrats vote to fund the government with this many cuts made to health care. I think they're going to stand and be like, look, if you want to make that many cuts to health care, we're not going to sign it. It's that simple. And if you want to explain to the American people that we shut down the government,

we'll tell them why. And I think that we're probably going to see it. The betting markets are trending that way. And yes, we're an interesting place with the national health care picture and with the national picture on free speech and that'll do it for this episode guys kind of a big zoomed-out meta version talked health policy talk gLP ones lots of changes with tv but we hope you guys enjoyed the episode if you did be sure to leave a five-star rating and review on apple podcasts as well as on spotify so that you can be sure to help the show grow help more people find it and help

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