Dynamic Dialogue with Danny Matranga - 413: Time off Lifting, Recovery, Liver King vs. Live Forever, Youth Sports, the Fed + More!

Episode Date: October 24, 2025

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Welcome in, everybody, to another episode of the Progressive Overload Project. As always, I'm your host, Danny Matranga, joined by co-host Matt Lakoko and Holden King, talking all things, fitness, nutrition, culture, sports, and politics. Today, we're going to talk about new research that shows how easy it is to maintain your gains on low training volumes and why more of you should stress way fucking less about vacations, and taking time away from the gym. Also give you some strategies to not lose your gains. But honestly, this is super encouraging stuff.

Some of the more encouraging research I've ever seen. Nutritionally, we're going to play a fun little game of Choose Your Brian Johnson, going over the kind of crazy personalities that are Live Forever Brian Johnson and Liver King Brian Johnson, and just kind of unpacking the extreme polarity between the two and the obsessive focus on either naturalism or, like Live Foreverism. We'll also talk about some of the new data regarding alcohol intake in America, which is fascinating not only from a health standpoint,

but also from a behavioral standpoint and, of course, an economic standpoint. We'll talk about research regarding gluten sensitivity and how, for some people, it could ultimately just be in your head. Talk a little bit about culture and markets, talking about the new Fed rate cut, what that could mean, as well as some youth sports stuff that dovetails on. on a recent discussion we had about funding public health and an idea I wanted to share with you guys

that I thought would be great for kids' health, kids' mental health, that would be a nice public health investment. But we're going to jump off right here with a new piece of research titled, effects of different reduced training frequencies after 12 weeks of concurrent resistance and aerobic training of muscle and strength, morphology, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Basically, what this study shows is that even well-trained adults who participated in a pretty rigorous routine for 12 weeks where they were exercising multiple times, they then took a break and only did once a week training for a while, and they lost no gains, which to me is not surprising, but it is tremendously positive because I have to share this with people all the time who are concerned about losing progress. in the gym. Do you guys see this a lot? Yeah, I think the stigma is always like, well, if I'm out of routine, I'm losing it. And the reality of the situation is it is pretty hard to lose it if you have been consistent and you are a trained individual. Yeah. I think if you've built muscle and you are well trained, it takes very little effort to maintain it. It takes a lot of effort to build on it. But this is encouraging because I do think a lot of fit people develop an almost neurotic obsession with going to the gym. They don't allow themselves to take time off.

And I do understand when you're doing it for your mental health. It might make you feel better to work out like every day of your vacation or every day of whatever. But I do think a lot of people do it because they feel pressured and they feel that they'll lose gains. And there's very little literature to support that. And we're getting more and more literature showing like maintenance doses of resistance training are tiny.

And, like, what that means for public health, what that means for staying in shape, that's amazing. It seems like you can, you could conceivably, like, prescribe a one day a week strength program now. Yeah, you can. I think there's always going to be nuance here. I saw that this says, you know, hypertrophy strength and aerobic, which is interesting, and how long can you sustain this without losing gains? I think somebody who is, and the literature will support this, somebody who's in way better shape or somebody who's been highly trained for multiple years, you're not going to maintain your

gains on one time a week for very long. Maybe a month or two, but you're going to see some gains drop off the map, especially aerobically. Like when you're doing like aerobic fitness training, right? Capillary density mitochondria go down. Like if you're not doing like at least two times a week consistently. And I'm sure that you can maintain your gains for a little bit. But I do, that's on like my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, positive side of things here too is I think people need to understand that one is exponentially better than none right and I think it's like oh I need to do three four or five days I think we need to understand that through a whole calendar year there's going to be few times where you're actually

able to stick to a program and just know that you can maintain most of your gains a few times during the week by just doing one workout a week personally I've never only done one workout a week but that's just me I obviously I work in the fitness space I work in a gym but I've never really had, ran into, ran into that problem where I only had to work out one time a week. I think this is positive, though, for people who maybe work out zero times a week, too. Just knowing that, hey, one is way exponentially, way better than zero. But, yeah, I think there's always going to be nuance in this. But what this is saying is after 12 weeks of resistance trained individuals,

doing just one workout a week, maintained those gains that they made. And I don't know if there's aerobic and strength. Yeah, there was a concurrent program. And they just maintained. solid gains on all these different metrics only re-engaging with it once a week. Cool. Like they built the fitness, then they like really reduced the routine, but they still did that one day of training with the concurrent modalities and they maintained it.

This one day of training has to be intense. It could be. I think I also feel like you probably have untrained subjects like you do in almost every single weightlifting or aerobic study. And so if you did 12 weeks of concurrent training with. trained subjects they would probably have some serious gains and they would definitely even if they trained less be like yeah i'm i'm way more fit than i was but i really do i honestly don't think like you don't need a lot i don't get sport i look at professional sports and i like scoff at the idea and the notion that it requires like four five days of consistent training because even though

these are the genetic elite even though many of these individuals might be using steroids even if I like try to parse that out and I just look at like female athletes in season they train way less and they maintain noticeable size and muscularity and power and like many teams in the NFL have phenomenal offseason programs with lots of lifting but almost every team and every pro sport lifts less during the season and you maintain awesome gains on like lower training even elite athletes so it's like I feel like elite athletes maintain on less, they have the highest level of fitness to maintain. Like normies, yeah, they are. They're playing the sport. I think that helps a lot. They are, but like normies don't have that level of fitness to maintain. They don't know.

And like whatever we're testing for in this data is probably a level of fitness that's much easier to support without a professional athletes level of investment. And I think a lot of people have pro athlete level investment to a mediocre fitness routine. and it provides a huge neurotic pressure for them to constantly go, go, go. And a lot of people would benefit from hearing that they won't lose their gains. I think a lot of people will benefit from that. Yeah. And I think, again, nuance.

If you're 60 years old and you only train once a week, you're probably not going to maintain your gains. You're not. You're older. You don't synthesize protein as well. You need more movement. You need more aerobic exercise and more lifting throughout the week. more exercise throughout the week.

I don't know. I didn't read like the age groups through the study and stuff, but it does make sense. It makes a hell of a lot of sense. One workout stimulating muscle tissue is enough to maintain that muscle tissue that you've already built

because muscles hell of hard. It's very hard to lose. You have to honestly really try hard to lose muscle because, I mean, we just, there was another study, right? Four weeks of resistance-trained individuals. Four weeks of not lifting weights only doing aerobic exercise they maintained all their gains they maintained all their muscle

mass so there's something there almost so if you go on a month long vacation you're not losing shit basically i mean i just stop fucking worrying about it why are you so fucking in your head in your head yeah i really think that's part of it like that's not good for your health to be that worried about losing your gains like you're not one of the you're in all likelihood not one of these high level athletes who needs to perform at this high level and i think that more people could use time away from the gym who are like pressing five six days a week than could use more time in the gym so it could it could open some doors for some like better recovery and yeah and like better mental to just be like better programming not beating myself up about missing today because i've seen

this research that tells me like it's really hard to lose gains and i needed to do this family thing today so i'm not going to beat myself up like you need to have that flexibility. I don't want somebody to see this big, yeah, one day a week, man, I'm fucking set. Like, that's probably not what you aspire to. I think they equated calories in this too. I think they equated maybe protein to, like if you're having more protein, it's even that much harder to lose muscle. If you're having enough calories, it's even that much harder to lose muscle. And for me, personally, I've lifted less these last three to four months this year than I did it the first six, six, seven months of the year because of baseball. It's a lot

harder to lift really hard and continue to go with those gains. I feel like I look better than I've ever looked. Hell, yeah. And because I just haven't had as much time to eat with the kids and stuff, so I've like lost body fat unintentionally. And you might just be like, yeah, fuck you. Probably just not really hard as I can't. Yeah.

But you're also super active. Probably. I'm definitely not because I lost body fat. So, but yeah, I think, I think there's something to this. I think more people need to understand that it is okay to take a little bit of break. And if you do that one workout, just put everything together. Totally. Do some deadlift.

I always do some rows. Do some presses. Do some aerobic exercise. That is a badass one fucking day. You can do an amazingly effective total body session. I've programmed a million of these for my clients when they're on vacation. I'm like, hey, do put one set of pushups to failure. One set of split squats to failure per each leg, please.

One set of glute bridges. Like you can even do body weight, but just like literally go until you feel like your ass is about to explode. And then like either do an inverted. on like a railing or a pull up. Great. And literally if you do that one set to failure of each of those and you drop that in every three or four days, you will not lose a gain.

That is such good, coach. I have given that to countless clients. What should I do, coach? Should I pack band? Should I go to the gym? If you want. If you want. If you want.

But like what I would do, what I would do, and one client really comes to mind, what I would do is just wake up a little early. than everybody else and literally bang it out before anybody else even wait, you don't have to leave

the hotel room but like the stimulation you can get out of a body weight set of push-ups to failure out of a body-weight set of split squats to failure Those are the best body-wood exercise

Maybe a set of crunches to failure just so you do something for your midsection. You can probably just do your whole body like that. You know, and it's like that set to failure with body weight strength standards it is enough

to stimulate and like that's the name of the game when you have to recruit a lot of muscle fibers just going close to failure like that so like that's what i would that's why high reps work that's why low reps work i'll keep you guys posted with how i train when we go to japan because like i don't think it's going to be easy to break away from my family at all when i was there i i didn't lift at all it was like the first moment of my life for almost like two weeks why i didn't go to a gym yeah and like one you lost a lot of gains probably yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah Honestly, I wasn't really looking for a gym and, like, I don't really know that the hotels, I say that had them. I have seen, well, that's a lot of walking, though.

That says a lot about where you're at. Well, that's four weeks. That's aerobic work. Well, I came back. I came back and I got right into it because I made it a habit and I, like, kind of wanted to lift again, you know. Of course. So that's what I usually ask my clients too. I'm like, is this vacation going to completely derail you from your fitness routine?

Well, are you going to come right back into the habit once you're back. They're like, so hard to come back. So I was like, let's not worry about. like losing gain thing. I would not want to carry that stress with me on vacation. Speaking of never taking a break and like the nuance

versus extremes, I thought this was kind of interesting. Obviously, the Live Forever Brian Johnson is different from the liver king, Brian Johnson. But two of the most extreme kind of personalities and wellness are both named Brian Johnson. I do think we have to acknowledge

that the liver king has had like a mental episode in the last year that has kind of pivot like people with rogan right he did say that he was going to harm joe rogan yeah he threatened him he like he made like i think he was arrested for a terroristic threat dude what's up with free speech bro they're coming for the liver king man you can't say that you're going to kill joe rogan anymore without the police being like you can't say that that's some fucking bullshit man back in liver king Kings Day, you used to just be able

to kill people. He was able to literally do everything else that was harmful to a lot of people. You should eat this raw animal ball sack that is totally infested with Salmonella. I'll arrest you right now. Fucking don't say that shit.

I honestly think you should have arrested him for that. But more he should have. No, you're going to bring that. What are you in for? Well, I told people to eat elk testicles. And he was lighting tons of shit on fire. I remember videos and, like, flame throwing things.

Like, sir, you're a threat to start a forest fire. You're under arrest for arson. 28th Amendment. My 28th Amendment here. If you tell anyone they should eat a ball sack, you should go to prison for life. My public execution. You know what? We're not going to

make any progress on guns, but we got an amazing 28th Amendment recommendation from some guy on a podcast. We're going to send you to jail if you're pumping animal organs and eat them. so there's that's our new one or keep an alligator alcatraz open for those guys the raw that video where he's like impassemeat let's give it a shot me like cox his shotgun just blows it into oblivion so that is like the essence of him and then the other guy the other brian johnson he wants to live

forever the sun is not allowed to touch his skin he sleeps like 10 hours a night with a collar around his dick to measure when he gets turgid. I'm serious. And he like analyzes, oh my gosh, I got hard 4,700 times last night. I'm at the, I am basically 12 years old. This is optimal living. He measures 40,000 data points. You're like, it's crazy.

And so my question to you is three ounces today. Wow. My seems I have so much volume of my seminal fluid. Just like what I was for. If you had to, we did this on a previous episode, and we said indefinitely be carnival or vegan. Here's my, here's my fun thing. You're going back to school for a degree and who knows what.

You're living in the dorms. And your dorm roommate is one of these two Brian Johnson's. They're both going back to school to their degree, but you have to live in a fucking dorm room for a semester. master with either liver king brian johnson or live forever brian johnson that's kind of easy for me easy i'm fucking completely torn on this i would live with the i would live with just the pale weird guy who doesn't like to be in the sun and just stay over there he's never not in your room he's always okay no i mean liver king in my the other liver king in my room back by why is your roommate so weird

He's going to kill me in my sleeve, dog. He's fucked up. I don't know. The other guy is just like, here, take my supplements. He should be natural. Dude, he's measuring his erections. That's weird. He has the boner machine set up every night.

I'd be like, what do you got over there? There's a billion machines in your room. He's constantly doing body scan. He'd be asking him so many questions. Hey, can I use that thing you put on your cock? I want to get some data, man. Where am I? Because you're going to.

Some cock data? All right, well, if it comes with cock data, I'm leaning way more towards Coct data. Brian, I hate to tell you. Brian Johnson, then I am cock eating Brian Johnson. But, like, hear me out. Hear me out. It's Thursday night.

And I had 47 more erections than you, Brian. Sorry, buddy. Like, what you're doing is wrong. I'm obviously healthy. Imagine it's stupid. Imagine it's Thursday night, and you're bringing a lucky lady back home to the dorm room. And Liver King Lionel has it full spring. spread out and he has all of it out and you're just like this is going to be a tough self

all of it out like a wild boar caught up in a fucking million pieces like okay you're coming home and he has the full content set up smells like a carcass okay that would be difficult I think I am withholding I would have an easier time being like okay listen the guy that I live with is a chemistry biology major he's completely insane he measures every day a point imaginable he doesn't like going outside so he's going to be at home all the time but don't worry about any of his weird machines he's just running totally normal experiments and this is it's fine it's totally fine there's no scenario where i could pass off what the liver king was doing as normal i don't think there's any way i could have normal friendships i don't think i could study i don't think

i could get a whole lot done with the amount of assault weaponry that it was in my dorm room so i am on I'm with... Spare syringes. I am with Holden on Give Me Live Forever Brian Johnson. Yeah. I think in either case, if there was the dorm room situation, I wouldn't be at my dorm. I'm dropping out. I'm fucking going somewhere else. Live forever Brian Johnson just seems like totally nice, though.

Like a nice guy. He is a normal person. But you're going to be annoyed by each one of them in their own ways. You're going to be annoyed one way or another. So it's like what annoyance are you willing to... I think I could be friends with Brian Johnson, live forever. Yeah. Like, I, maybe Liver King and I could, like...

You could hit a sick chest day with Lever King. Yes, he also apparently likes to play Mario Kart. So that would, this is an interesting one. Ultimately, I would... I picture him sitting there with a bowl of just internal organs, like, meh. So I thought, so, so what about, like, who would you rather be? Who's lifestyle would you rather follow?

Yeah. Brian Johnson, live forever. Okay. Yeah. Do I have to use all of his data points? I honestly it comes with the cock collar okay minus the mental health problems plus vegetables liver king fucking he's jacked he's tan he's just well-armed well-armed like dude the other brian johnson dude i ain't i ain't living life i'm not going to be all pale and weak as

okay so i'm like can't take the sun vitamin d what's wrong with you when you take liver king and you subtract the mental illness and you add vegetables it's really not that bad but you completely remove the character from him yeah that's got to be one of the quotes of the episode okay i thought this was fascinating moving on to a more relatable nutritional thing for most people drinking rates are the lowest they have been in america since hitler invaded poland just like overall adults report consuming less alcohol at the lowest rate since 1939. Is this because of like education or information out there? You think people are actually following information?

Yes, I do. I think it's threefold. You want to know what I think that three things are? Number one is education. I really think a lot more people are interested in science education. I've been talking about not drinking for a long time, but I have a limited reach compared to somebody like Andrew Huberman who has made like 10 episodes

that are five hours long and why alcohol is bad for you. And there are a lot of like mainstream fitness people and mainstream wellness people and like science educators with podcasts, you name it, who are talking about how alcohol affects your sleep, your recovery,

your mental health, all these things that we didn't use to talk about. And so I do think, a big part of it is education and it's dropping at about 4% per year yeah people don't want smaller brains I guess as they get older no and I don't think people knew alcohol did that until we started talking about it more scientifically I think it used to be like ah that booze ain't good for you you know alcohol is pretty bad for you and it would be the case that your doctor would be like I really recommend moderate drinking and if you are going to drink you should drink red wine you know

these were that was the level that we discussed alcohol in our health it was not really layered and nuanced the way we have gotten with it with all the optimizing now that everybody wants to optimize people are like whoa whoa whoa alcohol makes being optimized like impossible unless like lane norton says like hey three to four drinks is fine lane norton is one of the like bigger defenders of alcohol consumption i'd love to have them on the pod to defend his stance Because I do think he has a solid evidence-based stance on alcohol consumption, but I do think ultimately he's approaching it from body composition. And I don't really give a shit about my alcohol recommendations from a body composition standpoint.

I want them to be square and solid from a health standpoint. I mean, when he's training and getting ready for these powerlifting meats, like, I can't imagine that he's drinking one to two drinks tonight. I would imagine that it makes it more difficult to recover. But it is also possible that someone could have a high ability or a solid good rate of alcohol metabolism and be able to drink two beers in like a 12-hour period and just consistently slam beers and compete in a strength sport and maybe function on limited sleep or like disrupted sleep.

I'm not accusing Lay Norton of being bad at his sport. But I bet it would be better for him not to drink during his competitive season, but only like marginally, but from a health standpoint, for sure. Any guesses on what the other two things are that I think have caused reductions in drinking? Finances, people aren't going out and spending money to do so anymore. And that's the second biggest one. Because check it out, in 2020, it's dropped 4% every year. So that means in 2026, at the current trend, it'll be 50%.

Half of adults won't drink. I don't think it's because more and more people are becoming science. science literate and interested in like i think with obesity rates going one way and alcohol use going down you can see that it's not entirely science based right well my third reason is related to that obesity i just i want to put it bring it back to just like it's just obvious that when you drink alcohol you just feel like shit most people feel terrible holden do you know what the highest like binge alcohol use like by generation what generation is the highest boomers boomers i would say boomers it's millennials oh yeah i can see it does make

followed by gen x man followed by by the boomers which is like a little more than half of what millennials yeah i guess i get that because like boomers just drink all the fucking time every day and millennials are like disproportionately done with college so like when they report binge drinking they're probably like oh yeah i used to get hammered all the time in college and like binge drinking like Gen Z doesn't really drink So I'm not surprised They're not on the list But I think Gen X being

Would you say it was Millennials then Gen X Then Boomers Millennials are the most college educated They have the most people go to college That explains I think that explains Nice resources too And the social life

Well that's where the binge drinking is You're binge drinking as a co-ed You're binge drinking in your home Oh my God That's a problem But like yeah I think I would be curious to see Who purchases the most

alcohol i would be willing to bet that that is probably boomer still i might be wrong but i was your number four on the reasons why i don't have a four alcohols plumbing you had three though i had three i think matt nailed i think i think the holden's point as well like going back to the like makes you feel like shit i i've i've gotten to a certain age where it's like yeah that's that's that's gonna hurt for a while and it's just not worth it i'm too old for this shit and i think maybe what we're seeing is people are realizing that just a younger age too. It becomes harder to metabolize alcohol when you're older and you've drank a lot because

I think your liver starts to have a more difficult time with it. Mao is right, though. I think the number two is finances. Groceries are incredibly expensive. We talked about food data a few episodes back, but Americans love imported booze. Imported wine, imported beer, imported spirits. And all imported stuff has a slap 10% increase charge. Plus, you're seeing pretty high tariffs on countries that,

do actually deliver some of the like craft stuff we really like good shit so i think booze just costs more and the third one we talk about it all the time on the pod g lp ones like there is a lot of literature showing g lp ones reduce interest in drinking like i actually think g lp ones in the i think g lp ones will cure alcoholism in our lifetime or a g l p one's definitely reward driven yeah to to have a glass of alcohol after a hard days work to just get the edge off, it's all reward-based. So if you're taking GLP-1, your reward systems kind of shut down, I could see that. Well, there's literature on using GLP-1s to treat alcoholism.

There is a ton of anecdotal data on people saying, I just don't want to drink anymore. And to me, one-and-eight Americans using a GL-1, I'm inclined to think that some of this drop, 4% every year. What if 1% is just people being on GOP-1s and just not feeling like using alcohol? This is another reason why I think that GLP-1 should be available. This is another category of people. Invested in for sure. Compal.

Maybe really benefit. You have somebody who has, you know, no muscle mass, who's pale as shit, who's liver's failing, who needs to quit. And they get on a GLP1 and then what? They die because they can't eat. They don't have an appetite? like I don't know what would happen but maybe there's a way you can shut down the reward system and you can have the like the motility be a normal we're in the instance of these companies

this is going to get awesome here's another reason possibly I think I think this is a good one with like the younger newly legal to drink social media pressure like people not wanting filmed drunken behavior circulating around with like entire like a I see phones everywhere now. Like, I'm definitely guilty of taking pictures of food. Sue me. Um,

I think it's art. I like it. Um, but I know people whip their phones out for like to record anything all the time. So definitely someone acting a fool being drunk. Like that's going to get filmed. And I'm, maybe.

I'm not saying it's like the biggest piece of the pie or anything. I think it's a way of the smaller ones. What generation or demographic purchases? The most. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So it's got to be boomers.

It's actually not. It's Gen X followed by boomers. Gen X is... Followed by Millennials Followed by Gen Z. Gen X loves expensive booze. Gen X is like People who want to spend hell of money on IPAs and that shit.

Boomers are still getting drunk on whatever they were getting drunk on. Yeah, fucking PBR. I don't know, but like maybe it's because there's less boomers. Boomers have been done. Yeah, I have seen that like millennials now outnumber boomers.

Millennials are the largest generation. Yeah. Which is weird because millennials is like a pretty, broad demographic i'm like the youngest i'm the youngest you can be and be a millennial i'm kind of only a few years older than you'd think bro i think it's like 1981 no it's like yeah yeah mid 40s i think it'd be a mid 40s how many people how many men 35 to 45 years old just just have alcoholism and just have an addiction to that's kind that's the there's so much that's Like, that's why I think, to Matt's point earlier about alcohol consumption, like, why are

millennials leading? Because millennials are responsible for men 35 to 45. And, like, whoever had them on their team was going to win that week. That's the Derek Henry. That's the Derek Henry of, of, like, alcoholism is men 30 to 40. I know a lot of friends. I know a lot of unhappy, yeah, friend groups out there who have been. drink often almost every weekend it's in my circle it is a coping tool yeah it is mostly

millennials the ginsie or the the the boomers that I train there their whole thing is just like if they drink it's like a glass of like the best wine the most tastiest beverage from a like you said Danny from like a different country imported in and um or some like champagne or something I don't know I just think that it is more moderate and it's tasteful and it's And I can, yeah, there are all these, these, these, these, uh, these, uh, whinoes. What do you, what do you call them? Wine snobs. The wine snob, thank you.

Yeah, I know what you're talking about. But still, the literature is going to support the fact that drinking one of those a night, seven days a week, is not healthy. No. And it's causing tons of cancers. And it's seven different types of cancer and women. What is the leading, damn, cancer from alcohol? breast cancer breast cancer that's the seventh with of course in meaning yeah of course but yeah

it is probably the case that no single behavior increases cancer risk more than drinking yeah because i don't think it's not like stage one carcinogen sun or stage one carcinogen cured meats uh increase seven types of cancers like i bet you alcohol is way better if you don't want to get melanoma than the sun right but i bet you that the sun ain't going to cause breast cancer or like you know intestinal cancer or throat cancer as much as alcohol right it seems like everything alcohol touches when it's going down yes bro he's impacted yeah through your intestinal track your stomach all the way out everything there's like you're going to get cancer there it's that you know as simple as it sounds

bladder cancer colon cancer dude you're 100% right like throat esophageal cancer like all of it I did a presentation on alcohol once, and I wanted to remember what the seven different types of cancers were that alcohol causes, and I was having a really difficult time remembering it, and that was literally what I used to try to remember it, was it's basically all the tissues that alcohol touches after you drink it. So oral, laryngeal, esophageal, intestinal, whether it's colon or small intestine, rectal, all of these things. And obviously liver? Liver, stomach. But like, because the liver's detox. toxifying it, believe it or not, like liver cancer is less common in alcoholism than just

your liver failing first. So it's more like fatty liver disease. And NAFLED, what you just described, non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, a lot of Americans have NAFLED from bad diet. If you have NAFLED, you shouldn't drink, period. Like, there are hundreds of millions of people globally who probably live with non-alcoholic fatty liver disease and drink. They don't even know that the two are legitimately dangerous. They're obese, they're metabolically obese. If you eat too much and you have too much fat on your body, you probably have too much fat in your liver.

And if you have NAFLED, non-alcoholic fatty liver disease and you're boozing, your liver is having a much harder time. Taking time on. Almost every person in America that I can think of who is like obese is probably on their way to NAFLD. So I think it's reasonable that the government should be saying, like, hey, if you're overweight or obese, you should get screened for non-alcoholic fatty liver disease and you should limit your drinking.

But what's fascinating, talk about HHS on the pot all the time. We're pulling the alcohol recommendations. The moderate alcohol recommendations are getting kind of just dropped. We're going to mysteriously stop talking about them. I looked for him the other day on the CDC website because you guys got me on the conspiracy of how the CDC website's been stripped down to like, it looks like it was made on someone's phone. It's crazy how bad it is.

But it's on there, and it's not on HHS's website anymore. And what's so fascinating is when I was doing all of this research for my report or my presentation, a lot of this data was coming from a website that, like, doesn't even exist anymore. They've, like, gutted it. And there used to be beautiful images and tons of different data sets uploaded in the form of PDFs, extremely difficult to find. And there's been multiple different reports that HHS,

HHS is omitting its alcohol guidelines. And I have to think it's because of the fucking money. When in doubt, follow the money. And so I don't want to hear from Secretary Kennedy, oh, the corporate capture, we got to get the money out of this and that. We're going to follow the money. Okay, fucker, I followed the money. Why the fuck are we dropping alcohol recommendations?

Is it because alcohol intake is dropping 4% every year? And maybe the alcohol lobby funded a shit ton of GOP candidates. Do we want to look into that? Because we can look into that. you want to see how much money big booze spent on 2024 general election candidates look how much it's spending on 2026 candidates it'll blow your fucking mind yeah there's a lot of money from big booze coming in and i know that's what we're talking about vaccines and Tylenol i know secretary kennedy would hate for people to know that he's being pressured by big

alcohol because he's such a staunch defender of our health he would never bend the knee to a corporation would he well well seems like he fucking might there's definitely something going on here and somebody should be bringing more attention to it. Omitting alcohol guidelines in the fattest country on earth where our mental health is in crisis, especially for men who drink way more than women,

are you fucking serious? Violence is way more correlated with alcohol than it is SSRIs. Somebody get this fucking guy off of his rocker and either fire him or wake him the fuck up. Because omitting alcohol guidelines and

the voluntary erosion of faith in vaccines is substantially worse for us than any of the positives. I really believe that. That's what I said. I can't agree more, man. It's just, I'm getting, like steam is coming out of my ears,

just listening to you say that right now. They also cut, like, I think, like, funding to like six separate infectious diseases. They limited it from like eight that they were monitoring and allowing public access to on the website to now just two.

Great day for any, any infectious diseases. Just like, Jebollah is like, fuck yeah, boy. We're off the hook. Yeah.

They don't care. Meanwhile, measles is up for that just getting a sick pump. Measles is like, this is incredible time to be alive. We're finally being seen. My upside is unlimited. It's easy for them to just take down most of the website, and it would be hard for them to replace it with something that made sense. I just want to know what incentive health and human services has

to say less than ever about alcohol. The same incentive they have to not blame guns. in this country for all the lot of the vines that we have. They're taking money from somebody. And it's just like it was the gun lobby. I'm sure it was the alcohol lobby. But what I would like... Just like we continue to invest in all these fossil fuels.

Well, we did. Yeah. I mean, all of it. You know, it's like we're not... We pivoted off renewables. 100%. We're not, like, to me, when I think health in this country,

I am the first thing I'm thinking of is like, let's get on board with environmental health. Right? let's get on board with with you know making sure that these companies just cannot continue to expand and i i see a lot of that happening right now right before our eyes but nobody seems to be as nobody seems to be upset people seem to just be turning the eye at it yeah i think people are just like motivated there's too much going this is what you do right and people are just their their allegiances are where they are they're not going to waver that means

They're signing up for any and all of it because that's already what they've told themselves. I think a lot of conservatives would tell you they don't like what's happening. They just don't like the alternative either, so they're okay with what's happening. Yeah, well, they also just tend to just tune out. They're like, oh, I don't pay attention to that. It's like, yes, we know. I did want to outline something that I thought could be kind of a potential cool place to invest in our public health. We've been talking a lot about young men, how young men are particularly in crisis.

how they need community. And I thought it would be amazing if we have like a federal youth sports initiative where we just zeroed out youth sports costs for families. Like we want your boys in sports. We want your boys in activities. We want them learning how to work together. We want them active.

We want them focused on personal growth. We want them learning how to work inside of an organization where somebody tells them what to do and maybe they struggle with it. Sports are phenomenal. But like having a family, youth in youth sports, I realize it's, like, insanely expensive and, like, prohibitively expensive. It's insanely time-consuming, you know, every weekend.

You're just like, and then you have your week with work and everything. Man, it is so hard to keep your kid in multiple sports throughout the year, let alone one. I just think I envision a world where it is easier for parents to keep our kids in sports because our communities and our cities and our states and our federal government realizes that sports and sports inclusion and teamwork and physical fitness are integral for children because that's what sets them up for success. And I feel like youth sports participation is terrible. And I genuinely was,

it's becoming exclusive. Yeah, well, in the last pod, we talked about public health policy that would make us healthy. And I'm like, dude, like,

we need a massive investment in use sport. We need a lot of cost. No. So, yeah yeah i chat gpted it like to make you sports free nationwide in the u.s yeah you'd likely need between 30 and 50 billion that's nothing that's nothing yeah that's nothing i i agree that's the ice budget see so like i'm good at that yeah that's the ice budget i'm okay i don't need i to be any bigger if all the sports are free for kids yeah i agree and like for literally all of them

which is roughly 53 million of them okay if 53 million kids can engage in sports at zero cost to their family, that would be unbelievable for America's children's mental health and public health. Absolutely. If you went a step forward and had and hired some like qualified coaches who weren't just screaming at these kids and making them run forever and just killing them for no reason because they lost worrying so much about the outcome. You could get so much about winning, worrying so much about losing jobs in America.

So many. For coaches. Trusting football guys. are going to be like, I got a job out of this, baby. I'm coaching the pop Warner Peewee Pirates, baby. And we are trusting the process, and we're trusting what hard work does for us, and we're doing all these things, not just wanting the end result to be just less fat kids win.

Yeah, dude, I honestly think like you learn. America, bro. We win in everything. Build character. They build resilience in your life. You're going to have. The social connections, like most, all of my friend group, for the most part, has, like, I guess the longest standing.

ones are through sports. Yeah, sports are really multicultural. Like, I'll tell you what, a lot of people's first interaction with people who are a different race than them is through sport. Yeah. I grew up in an incredibly rural, very white community. And I remember every time we would go to, like, a community that was predominantly African-American and play sports, I would be like, damn, like, there's more black people

on this starting five. there are in my entire town and like that just showed me immediately like i live in this huge bubble and like the world is very different and we're exposed to different people different cultures i i totally remember growing up in playing in the central valley and like we would travel from two hours on a bus to a community that had a lot of hindus i remember playing basketball and like dudes would have the turban on like holy fucking shit that's probably so uncomfortable but like for me that was like my first exposure to so much and i think that's a little bit sad it says about the state of multiculturalism in america and we're multi more multicultural now

than when i was in high school but like youth sports inclusion is good for parents i think it's good for kids i really do think the ultimate end goal would be to be able to take parents out of it and be like you just can safely bring your kids here like it's saturday sports i don't know But like a vision where you don't have to rot in a lawn chair for a six-hour tournament that destroys your weekend. But like we know there's a public health investment in our kids. I think that would be sick as hell. Oh my God. I think most people would be on board for that.

That's a very bipartisan. I would love to hear an argument against it. Yeah. What argument do you have like free athletics and free fitness? Whatever it is that you're signing your kid up for, if it is a group-based organized sport is a hundred people. Or like not tax deductible, just like massive investment in the cities. Like, okay, the city of Santa Rosa is getting a multi-million dollar grant for free little league. From every kid from 6 to 12 can get free little league.

From the federal government. It's the federal government is going to cut a check. Who's going to pay for that? It's just taxpayer. 30 to 50 billion annually. So it's 30 to 50 billion. Let's just say we swap the ice budget, which is 35 billion. every public sport is free i don't need to worry about paying for it i just go sign up my kid i go sign

my kid up that's free now i think that's kind of cool and you know what i think it does it gets way more kids into way more sports yeah because parents will be like we're not just doing soccer this year we're doing soccer and baseball and football and when my kid is playing sports they're not on their phone and when my kid is with their team they're engaging and being social i think sports parenting in sports culture is a little extreme and toxic but it's better than the alternative and I would I think that that is so wholesome and so purple and it would make so many families feel like the government sees me and supports me and supports my child and like don't even get me started on the academic upside of having kids pass I just think that the sad thing is is that people

who don't have kids this age are going to bitch about having to pay for fucking kids to go and play sports for free and I hate that maybe maybe well you can you really ever make everybody happy no no no no like that goes for everybody of all time like so like get over it it has to be better than like a expansion of the child tax credit for people who have a one year old and it's like okay if a kid under a year you get the $10,000 or whatever comma I think was $6,000 for children under a year it's like what about my kid who's two I need that $6,000 just as bad now and so there's always going to be inequities, but I don't know, guys. I think that would

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