Dynamic Dialogue with Danny Matranga - 417: Lean Bulking, Strategies for Fat Loss, Baseball Dynasties, Epstein Files + More!

Episode Date: November 26, 2025

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Welcome in everybody to another episode of the Progressive Overload Project. As always, I'm your host, Danny Matranga, joined today by Matt Lococo and my little guy over in the corner talking all things, fitness, sports, culture, nutrition, politics, and more. If you do hear my little guy in the background, don't worry about it, he's having a good time. He's just relaxing. Matt and I are here to Pod talking specifically today about muscle growth. gaining or bulking a lot of questions about bulking we want to give you some tips how to bulk in the sense that you're going to build muscle but not accumulate too much body fat how to avoid the trappings of a dirty bulk we're going to talk about some strategies for getting the calories you need

whether you're losing weight or trying to gain weight we're going to talk about the dodgers and whether or not they've achieved dynasty status in baseball as well as some other fitness and sport related stuff we'll talk a little bit about my trip to Japan, some interesting stuff in politics world, lots of fun things to talk about right before Thanksgiving. You guys will probably get this episode the day before Thanksgiving. So we'll dive in really quick, how funny the day before the biggest eating holiday of the year, to talk about the optimal energy surplus for lean muscle growth.

So there's a new piece of research titled The Effect of Nutritional Interventions on Body Composition and Performance and Elite Athletes. And the findings were that basically, if you want to build muscle, you don't want to do it by just consuming as many calories as possible. And this is called a dirty bulk. The idea that, like, because I'm trying to gain muscle, I know I need more calories. So let's just get as many as I can from wherever I can. And it seems like the actual number, the top line number for surplus is only 500. So when you go above that, you're going to gain a lot of additional.

body fat but really no additional muscle and i find that to be kind of true in my own life i'm sure you would probably agree definitely you're somebody who's gained a lot of muscle without gaining any body fat really so you've been in a small enough surplus to gain but not too much to gain body fat and i think most people would prefer that yeah i think i definitely have like the anecdotal i guess epitome of i guess what the study suggests and that like no more than 500 calories um can really help with like some optimal lean tissue growth uh i always grew up as like a super skinny kid and on top of that like a lot of athletics p yeah was like also like my favorite class so for sure and i gave it my all and all of that so naturally i was just like spending like a lot of calories on the thinner side

totally and and uh i graduated high school like maybe like 140 pounds like soaking wet and um trying to play baseball in college looking at all these like grown men who are you know 60 pounds more than me um is when i kind of really started my like fitness journey and i just ended up like eating eating more like learning to lift and things like that and uh naturally i think i just gravitated towards higher protein foods which did help me like not overeat and only kind of achieve the 500 uh calorie surplus rather than just going completely overboard well you weigh what like a hundred 95 pounds yeah a little shy of that so like 50 50 55 pounds of muscle probably some some of its bone water whatever but you're you're not you like very low body fat like sub 10 percent so you were

able to gain that muscle over like 15 years let's say oh that's like a pretty normal rate it's probably like 10 pounds in the first year then six then like five then like five and then like three three and now you're probably getting like two to three a year if you're lucky but as a lean natural i think that's normal and i think a lot of people gain muscle and fat really quickly on a dirty bulk and then they end up having so much work to do to get rid of the fat and you've never had to cut like one time right yeah there's totally that misconception where just eating anything and everything trying to like pack calories in to therefore like have more energy store to pool from to like get a better workout or even like build

strength and therefore muscle as well um i think is the like the misconception here right yeah and i do think we're in the part of the year in winter where people are thinking about gaining mass they're like i'm doing my winter arc i think like everybody like especially young guys are like i mean it's winter arc time yeah there's no summer vacations to show off yeah and if you are like if you're a high movement like naturally thinner dude who has this really high knee who's uh like if you're recording a podcast you're going to move around if you're playing video games you're going to move around if you're watching football you're going to move around then you might need a dirtier approach you might need to include more of these foods and this might be the time of year to do it but i would

note if your daily surplus is like a thousand calories a day or you know 1500 calories a day you're 2x or 3x above the level you need to be at to lose body fat and what's going to have or to build muscle what's going to happen is you're going to gain more body fat than you would like and then you'll have to take it off, which is not exactly any easier. And I think most people would say losing body fat is the hardest thing you could do. So they'd want to gain as little as possible. Totally. It's probably also, like, important to note that, like, if you're looking to strictly gain muscle,

100% of the time, it's not always going to be for muscle. So you should expect, like, a little bit of fat gain, too, right? Just to set an expectation. Like, yes, you can do it cleaner. You can have the weight that you gain or the muscle that you add. well I guess if it's the way you gain and that's the muscle you're adding you're adding the muscle right but like it's kind of also I think a little naive to expect that literally zero of the added mass will yeah like a little bit will a great point so if you're at 499 calories of daily surplus it's not like 100% muscle and the minute you go to 501 it's like oh now here comes the fat in that small surplus whether it's 100 500 where you want it a thousand. and twice as high as you want it, you're going to gain some body fat.

Totally. You can, I don't think you can gain muscle without gaining body fat in a surplus. If you are in a deficit and you've never trained before, you're going to be able to gain muscle. Totally. And lose body fat at the same time. If you and I,

who have trained for a while to the point where we're, like, not gaining muscle very fast, and if we want to gain muscle faster, we need to get in a surplus, if we got in surplus and like started taking or let's say we were actually in a deficit and we started taking like steroids, I think we would build muscle and lose body fat. But if you're a normal person and you're wanting to gain muscle, you want to eat a little more, you're going to gain some body fat with it.

It's very hard to lose and gain at the same time, lose fat gain muscles. So just keep the surplus reasonable or else you pay for it. And I think that's a great point. even if you nail it, if you gained 10 pounds after a year of a 500 calorie surplus, it's probably not 10 pounds of muscle. You're like maybe 7 pounds of muscle, 3 pounds of fat, but it will never be perfect. But I do think that is like, that's just such a good place to think about it. Like if your goal is muscle growth, you need to aim to get about 500 more calories.

Then you need to optimize that process on a given day. And your body can't use more than 500 calories to build muscle Because it's slow as fuck It's like a it's like building a really little wall You have to use little bricks And you just, it's a slow-ass process So you just it makes so much sense that it can't be too much Because you can't do too much in one day or in one week

Right well I'm in terms of just like the number that is the surplus to it Like we've been talking about this like in the gym And like when you are eliciting a like a higher level workout it's more strenuous You're burning more calories like ultimately your body body is going to ask you to replace it and feed it more. Totally. So if you are doing that, it's likely that you are also going to be very hungry a lot of the time, right?

But if you're kind of pushing it to a certain extent, maybe you don't even achieve that 500 number because you get full. Yeah. And it's likely that the foods you're eating, like obviously from a nutritional standpoint, you know, if your goal is muscle gain and to look lean, like probably the surplus, you're going to try to have it be majoratively protein. You're going to get a lot of. calories from protein if you're looking to gain muscle so let if you're like the average person

looking to gain muscle it says between 100 and 200 grams of protein to your point if you need to get 500 extra it's kind of hard to do already getting 150 grams of protein in a day and you're eating a lot of vegetables and like maybe you're getting a good amount of carbohydrates but you're being intelligent like so many people are and you're getting them from whole foods like potatoes rice whatever you're going to maybe be like damn i've to eat like for somebody who's active like oh i might have to eat 3 000 calories to maintain that means i need to eat 3 500 calories to bulk that's a big jump when you're eating a lot of protein and already full so i think those are the moments where the dirty bulk might make sense for those

people who are like naturally like dude i have a hard time hitting my daily calories and if you're a person who's like i have no trouble hitting my daily calories then you should be very wary of the dirty bowl because they can get away from you so fast dude absolutely i can empathize with those who like had a hard time doing it because like 15 years ago when i started like just out of high school like again trying to make like the junior college baseball team and i was just like on a grind like there would be times where like i would look at my food and i'd be like nah not feeling and like dude like on top of that it was like weird like the muscles of my mouth and jaw hurt because of how often i was eating yeah i could convince myself i'm like okay

it i got to force it down you know and even then it's like the stomach is like yeah i'm kind of good honestly so for these cases i do think that's when it makes sense that like what are good strategies for these people who might be what you call hard gainers which i don't really think means they have a hard time gaining muscle i think it means they have low appetite lower food drive um more more they are probably more satiated by the food they like when you eat something i bet you feel fuller than somebody who's been like obese their whole life it's that's probably the variation in person i'm sure at that point like the the bmr right like it's going to be like nope this is what it's required to exist buddy yeah well for but for you i think you probably do get a

nice solid satiety signal like if you sit down and you eat a good meal because you're low body fat you've been healthy your whole life um you don't have any insulin dysregulation or anything like that you are like yeah dude i'm full i'm good Yeah, dude, that's fair to say. Like, I actually, that happened yesterday. Like, I ate some lunch. Dog was tired, and I lay down on the couch. And before I knew it, I, like, woke up.

And it was, like, an hour and a half later, I go, oh, all right, well, I was cashed. Yeah, my needs were met. I was satisfied. Like, somebody who's obese and struggled with food their whole life probably doesn't feel as full. Right. And they might overshoot all the time. You're on the opposite end, where overshooting is hard. Yeah.

So I think for those types of people who are like, ooh, dude, I actually receive my food reward getting to $4,000 seems impossible. It's like, dude, I know people who binge $4,000 in a night. Totally. But it's very true. Like, I think that's when you need to use liquid calories or, like, maybe you do have junk food or ultra-processed foods. I don't think there's anything wrong with those foods.

I think that's actually the time to use them when you do need the extra calories and you're having a hard time. When you're a whole food's clean eater, like so many people are, especially fitness people, it can be almost impossible. to be in a surplus if you're what I would describe as like orthorexic or like I'm not touching anything that isn't whole foods that's almost like impossible you definitely have to open up your mind I think to a little bit more of like the indulgence and therefore like the nutrient density not really being there but the calorie density being there yep um but honestly I really do believe

that people enjoy those foods and like to eat those foods they're not like nope nope nope nope they have to be they become that over time like after a long enough time as somebody who used to be like an only clean eater i i becomes part of your identity and just like no pizza's for weak people yeah i don't eat that shit totally and then you not enough protein in it yeah you either outgrow that or you don't and get to a place where you're like okay yeah i can have about this much pizza right or you're you're you know you're just one of those people who eats the whole pizza right i do think the key is to give yourself a little laxity and be a little looser with it if you need the extra calories you're going to have an almost impossible time getting there if you only do clean

eating for sure well it also like it's a long-term game right changes don't happen in a short amount of time and at the end of the day you need attainability and sustainability and i think having some fun with the eating rather than just being strict and borderline miserable is probably going to have you yield better results like later on if you're if you're still able to be consistent with the clean eating totally one thing i would say just because it this is on the note of like building muscle and like we're approaching it more from like you're leaner and healthier and want to build muscle from scratch um but there's a lot of people just want to hold on to muscle as they lose weight especially with like weight loss medications so what i would say for those people is ignore the

advice about being in a 500 calorie surplus if your goals are fat loss and holding onto muscle you just need to focus on lifting sleeping and getting enough protein you'll you will never be an optimal muscle growth person if you're on a weight loss medication but you don't need to lose a lot of muscles very easy to avoid losing muscle it's just very hard to build it beyond what you already have right okay diving into some sports no way yeah let's go sports here uh i feel like coming off the world series that we just saw the dodgers are likely to just kind of ascend to dynasty level they were able to win in seven games by like the skin of their teeth i get it but all that really matters is did you get the ring and now they have two in a row and conceivably

all the money in the world to spend on new pieces and i feel like they will continue to sign these big free agent japanese players i i could be wrong no dude i think that's dead on honestly and then just like any american too there's like hey come play for the dodgers we've won two in a row 100% and play with a bunch of superstar players like how is that not attractive to any player it's fantastic and it's like okay so the one downside would be like you have to pay the the jock tax plus the california income tax but i think historically we've seen athletes are willing to do this they will definitely there's like a shine on playing in like florida and texas for the tax reasons for sure yeah if there were there were teams in Vegas that would be more popular but now now we have

that so i think you'll see a lot more people like willing to sign with teams in warm markets for sure that have better tax laws for these high earners but like yeah for sure L.A. is still the best place to be a pro athlete maybe other than New York City i don't know but it's like those are huge markets they let you grow your brand and your personal brand like crazy like it's just like The name value of Otani when he went from Southern California and Anaheim to Los Angeles was like night and day, even though it's geographically like identical because of the... Yeah, but it's the brand of the Dodgers are. Just like the brand the Lakers are, the brand the Yankees are, the brand.

I mean, it's weird the Rams in L.A. football are not that brand because they haven't been there that long. So the prestige of being a Dodger, huge, being in that market, huge, I just think they'll compete at an insanely high level because they will continue to be able to sign new talent because they're not really paying Otani and Yamamoto up front. I think as long as you just have Shohei Otani. Yeah.

Like I was kind of like talking with a few friends about that, a couple of Dodger fans even. I was like, I know like Otani wasn't the MVP of this World Series, wasn't maybe the best player for the Dodgers. but you can't tell me that he was still really excellent. He was not the reason he even helped them get there. Like, we're not talking about the Dodgers winning if they get eliminated in the first round.

He was super good all playoffs. All play. He still won the MVP. He did get shellacked a little bit in the early innings of game seven. I don't know why they let him start that game. I honestly think they were like, no, look, we are going to ride our horse who got us here. And if we're winning game seven, he's getting a dub on the mound. Do you think there was like a radio?

and, like, sports betting can tone it to that, too. Like, yeah, we're going to have Otani start game seven. I, like, everyone's tuning in, bro. I actually thought it would make sense to have him close. Because from a strategical win standpoint, sure, but if we're talking about, like, tuning in, you know. I just would have gone with, like, a one inning on the reverse start. Like, just come out here and throw cheese,

and an inning two, we're going straight to glass now. And then we get into the bullpen in, like, the fourth inning. For sure. But that game got away from them, and they had to go to their, real ace which was yamamoto he also pitched the day before and he was chasing the madison bum gardener kind of like folklore right i don't know man i think they just were in i honestly watched that game and i was like damn i think the dodgers are in deep shit here and they were they had runners on and and dave roberts was just like there's no game tomorrow and there's no game for six

more months so i'm going to go to our guy and yu dude here's the thing yamamoto was he a rookie this year? I think last year. Okay, he got, he got noticeably better in the playoffs. And so, he was incredible. Yeah, so this is really difficult because now you're like, okay, the Dodgers, they have an ace, maybe two, maybe three, depending on how highly you feel about their rotation. Like, I think Snell is an ace. I think Yamamoto's an ace. I think you could argue that Otani and Glasnow when they're pitching at their, Otani didn't even start pitching this year. He could totally, just come back next year and throw 200 Innings. The way I look at it is like take their

starting rotation and then like put any one of them on any team like how close are they to the number one picture on that team. Like there's maybe a few you can argue that aren't. And the Tigers and the Pirates. Right. Yeah, that's crazy. They have a team full of them. Yeah, you could get 200 innings from Otani.

You get 200 innings from 240 innings from Snell probably. He can go way deep. You get 220 from Yamamoto. You probably get 200. at 220 from glass now. I don't even need it because they have an insane bullpen arms too. I know. It's like you could get 5, 6, 7 quality innings out of these guys on any given night and you

have a good bullpen. I think statistically they weren't so good this year, but they have really quality arms. I'm looking up the World Series odds because it's got to be night and day. I think the reason that the Dodgers would remain in a position to make this a dynasty over the next like five years. I think if you win two championships, you're already in the dynasty talk. Dodgers, definitely the favorite.

They're literally twice, at least Vegas, thinks they're twice as likely to win than the next team, which is the Yankees. Apparently, there's another immensely talented Japanese pitcher and another incredibly talented Japanese hitter, both of whom are going to come into MLB this year as rookies. I would not be shocked if they both signed with L.A. Which is crazy, but it could happen.

Have you seen that meme of like the, like these, these Asian players coming over and be like, do they understand that there's 29 other teams than the Dodgers? I'm sure they do because I know these players have multiple suitors, but to your point, why go anywhere else? And don't you think,

why not have that same? Don't you think it's good for the brand? I actually, when I was in Japan, we'll talk about Japan. I saw Otani everywhere. I only saw Yamamoto like a few times. Yeah. He's not as popular.

Well, Otony's like the Japanese Babe Ruth and how many Japanese pitchers have there been over the test of time. Dude, he's, he has the most celebrity currency in his native country of anybody. Like, there's no American who has this American celebrity currency in America that he has there. I've heard people say, like, oh, Trump, he's such a huge celebrity.

Like, he's, he's, he is, like, the most known person in the world, does, because he is who he is, and he's the president. But in Japan, I did not hear that guy's name. one time they're weirdly not that into american politics or into american finance but oh my god otani is everywhere all the time and um it's hard to say anything bad about the dude wouldn't you want that if you were an athlete and like i do feel like you have a better chance of building your brand in japan as a japanese athlete if you're connected to him right even if he takes so much of the attention right he's it's just at what point does the market become

capped like you need to enter a new one which is america and like we we place a lot of stock in our sports and like yeah you know and we're willing to pay a crap ton of money for it like all of these international every good japanese excepting of soccer yeah like you don't make anywhere close to the amount of money playing professionally as you do in america i agree i think every good Japanese players are going to consider signing an MLB contract if they can get one. And I, unlike a lot of them, don't necessarily want to. Like, I'm sure each row could have gotten an MLB contract before he did. Well, they usually stay over.

Like, Otani didn't, Otony's been, I think, in the league eight years now. Yeah, he's like a 24-year-old rookie, 25-year-old rookie. They don't come over until, like, 26. That's interesting. Yeah. That's interesting. I don't know if it's a developmental thing or if it's just like, hey, we're going to really make sure you're ready because America's a whole different ball game or what, but.

Speaking of developments, I think, I is just, I think we both are bullish on Dodger dynasty. Yeah, I hate it as a Giants fans, it's tough, but they're just built for it. Yeah. I was thinking a lot this week and while I was in Japan about the AI job loss. And like the job numbers from October, we never got those because they're probably not good. They're definitely not good. Why would they not get released? Because if they're good, they're getting released.

All the good. We see all the good numbers. Those were work DEI jobs. You don't care. But like there's only somebody on a podcast I was listening to this morning, say the only real growth in jobs is in like health care and there's one other sector. So there's not a lot of job growth. And they're attributing this to like the acceleration of AI.

Hell of people who are like young, intelligent, qualified and with a ton of student loan debt. like whether that's from a degree in programming or maybe they got a degree that would be like marketing media middle management graphic design no fucking jobs for these people it seems like companies are in the process of figuring out how much of our work can we have AI do and until we figure it out we're not hiring right and like the job market's pretty brutal I do think we're in a little bit of an AI bubble and I think we were talking about it as the studio the other day like what does the stock market look like in the s&p like 490 like take out those 10 7 yeah the mag 7 plus whatever else like a lot of the froth and excitement around AI is built

into the idea that like look at how many people will be able to fire when we get this shit figured out it makes so much more money and when i was in japan it's not getting distributed no it only goes to the people who already have it right but when i was in japan and i realized like like, okay, well, this is like a pro automation society. Like, you order your ramen a lot of times on a machine for sure and take your ticket because it's like, now we have no language barrier. Well, there's lines. We don't have to deal with lines.

We're more efficient. We have one last person taking orders. That's like another busser. And so, you know, I remember people freaking out about like McDonald's cashiers getting replaced. And we've talked on the pot about that like Hunter Biden conversation where he's like, I know a guy who fired 95% of his McDonald's employees and he'll make his money back in 18 months. We are going to, I think, accelerate automation super fast. And I think a lot of the jobs that will get lost are jobs that people will, the people who have them will need retraining new jobs, new industries.

These are jobs like driver, delivery driver, things that, you know, we're already close to autonomous driving. but I really worry about accelerated job loss for people. I mean, you could conceivably say any podcaster or any fitness person for their job. So I'm not feeling like we're any more insulated. I just think it's very interesting that like the stock market rips because it's like, yeah, profits are going to go through the roof when we lay everybody off. It's like, okay, but what happens when the bottom 20, 25% of earners have their job automated?

and they have nowhere to turn for a job right i worry about it a lot my skepticism also like exists on like what it'll do to american culture yeah it's like as like the our younger generation kind of like continues to grow and you know circle of life unfortunately older ones kind of like die off but i feel like from a social component like how many times you see like social cues being like lacking and very like places and now we're going to kind of accelerate that a little bit and more or less build a reliance more on like screens and things like that and less social interaction and it's super funny i can obviously feed like misinformation too so you're not having conversations with people about like what could be true could be not be true validating conversations

with an ai that always thinks you're pretty smart for real yeah i know like on chat gpt like you ask it like what you feel like is like a decently high level question that's a great question You're a brilliant thinker with that incredible question, you masculine God. Right, yeah. It just glazes you hard. Wow. I mean, I guess I didn't realize that meth was bad for me. Thanks, chat.

GPDT. I won't smoke it. You're like, well, no one in my life compliments me like that. I think I'm going to have a guy girlfriend. Dude, sometimes we, that's, that's on the horizon, too. That's on the way the AI is going to disrupt young men in particular, I think, is that's who I worry about the most is young men. They will retreat to it.

They will turn to it. and they will be made jobless by it. Right. You're going to put so much stock in it for it to put a knife in your back. It's driving your Uber to you, your door dash to you. Mostly men. Like a lot of it's like younger men or early on in the job market. And if those jobs get automated away, it's like, fuck.

Well, there's one less place for that frustrated young male energy to go. Right. And like, I do worry that automation will just, we're just displacing people and taking agency away. from people in the name of enhancing corporate profits. And it's like who is going to profit the most, the MAG 7, the companies that are already there. I mean,

these guys are making like blind investment in AI too. They're just like, just put up more money, build data centers. Dude, I hate the like just on vibes. Like we're putting all this on vibes. And it's like,

yeah, but like at what point you need to put a little stock into the ROI that you're getting back out of it. I think it's, and I don't think we're seeing it on a scale that should elicit the vibes. was a paper that were that we're seeing somebody published a paper that's basically said a lot of companies who used and implemented a i actually found it was less helpful than you think i think where

it like really is amazing is like for what we're doing right now like i can we can like live fact check right what we're talking about if we actually remember to do it with like a high quality quick search engine like technology that's awesome but like i have made marginally more money in some areas because of AI and marginally less. There's probably a fitness coach out there who would say like, oh man, if you use AI, you can make so much money. I don't know, like, I don't know where businesses really profit from AI other than like meta and Google and Amazon can fire hell of people in the factory and hell of people

that do customer service because those are easy to automate for sure. I really don't other than that it has to be social media driven like you said meta and stuff like that because at some point you have to factor in right like how many or how people are spending their time right yes and how often is it on social media and on a screen and how is convenient is it with like door dash going to fast food restaurants yeah ordering and like what's affordable so like at what point is like that all the growth you're going to see is like what it's a good point like what it's it's okay a lot of of people a lot of AI like bearish people or like this is stupid or like what were you doing on chat gpt for years ago that you're not doing today or that you can that you couldn't do then that you can do now and i think about the first time i ever use chat gpt is so fucking hilarious i was in mexico it had just come out i had a hell bad rash and the doctor at the resort i went to horrible idea i was like hey that is rash what do you think this rash what do you think this is and she looks me straight in the face

she goes oh that's herpes I was like that was chat said that or an actual doctor well I don't know if she was an actual doctor she was a Mexican resort doctor you're building a lot of people's confidence so I was like well that doesn't feel good to hear from you a stranger I thought this was eczema but I'm going to ask chat GPT because this thing just came out right and this was before it was an app on your phone you used to have to access it through open AI and it would take like 10 seconds to log in

and it was like chat gbt 1.0 and i remember asking it like my mexican resort doctor just diagnosed me with herpes seem legit and it gave me like a really good answer and i was like oh wow okay so it's probably not herpes because you typically don't get herpes like on your stomach right and it doesn't look like that and it's like call your doctor in america and i started asking a lot of questions about this and I remember while I was using it I was like I'm crazy for asking this app I just downloaded if I have this disease over this qualified medical professional in a completely foreign country and surprisingly Chad GPT was right Mexican doctor was wrong it was just eczema from the chlorine in my skin being dry and uh the doctor when I got home gave me a cream

and it like immediately went away right and so so no more trusting Mexican doctors three years No, I still, in the right context, absolutely. Like, when my kid fell off the bed and hit his head in Mexico, like two years later, we had the Mexican doctor come right up to the hotel. He was great. Yeah. But I think he was legit, though. He came from the hospital.

Right, right. Yeah, yeah. But I, today, three years later, my wife has a stomachache. We're in Japan. Shit's not going right. How are we using chat GPT? Kind of like a, like a little webmdd, bro. And I'm like, oh, for you.

fuck man maybe it's not like that high ceiling because it's been three years and it's not like it's like i have an accurate diagnosis based on your blood and your apple watch i'm i've called in a prescription for you at the local japanese pharmacy it's not fully there but i can see like the case where my god we make the leap right and it does it does that where it's like it can do all this stuff or it's just no it's basically like a super search engine and it's marginally better and now you can make pictures. But what if it never gets better than just what chat or whatever chat GPT can do. And like honestly,

the fucking AI social media content is like burning people out of social media. Bro, I was actually thinking about this yesterday. I was like walking my dog and I was just like passing the time. I like flipped on like Twitter and I saw this AI generated video of like AOC. Like in like a tube top, just like shaking it on a bar. And I was like, Jesus Christ. What ultimately is this going to turn into?

because I think you're on to it. I got the thought that I was like, I'm only going to see stuff like this. If a guy continues to boom and then like a distorted reality is about to occur. Sam Alton, more that we already have. The guy who runs chat GPT, basically they asked him,

somebody could probably find this video, but I think they asked him, what could you do to immediately make the most money possible on chat GPT? Or like using AI, what could you do to, like how could you monetize it even more than you already have let me see if I can find this

he gave like the most disturbing oh yeah okay check this out Sam Altman made okay this is from October 23 from Axios ChatGPT's horny era could be its stickiest yes Open AI will soon let adults

create erotic comment content in chat GPT experts say you could this could lead to emotional commodification or horniness as a revenue stream so i think what i'm really worried about and you alluded to is like young men already do not leave the house and they're already and not some of them do and they already engage with these chatbots who are basically just like cgii cute anime looking girls who flatter you like chat gpt in overtly sexual ways like Elon musk has one built into twitter it's really weird that is weird i've seen a few psychologists talk about it on a podcast like what the fuck is this this shouldn't be that accessible right i totally believe people will use this to make

pornography of dude who the fuck even knows what thousand and like i listen oh i'm gonna do i got a question after you're done here i'm gonna dance around this because I have heard people say things like, there are people in our society who are attracted to people who cannot consent to sex. And we put those people in jail. Normally. If we catch them doing these things. And I have heard people say things like,

there is a cost of pornography. And it's not only like the people who are victimized by it, but the people who do it. So if AI was able to create this content, not only would it save all the adults, but it would save all the trafficked children. And I'm just like, you know what? I don't want AI making.

Child porn? Yeah, cheese pizza. And it's just like, dude, I think that is fucking wild that we're already here. We're already out of place now where we're like, we need to have massive scale regulation because of the most commonly used chat, A LLM, chat GPT

Is opening the doors for erotic content And that, like Making that on adults is already risky enough Like you imagine if you were a celebrity And people thought you were beautiful But they wish you had more scenes Of your fucking nudity in your movies I don't know

And they're just saying As my favorite actress I've never seen her naked I want that Develop that in the chat Yeah, that's fucking fucking, where's my lawyer? I don't want you being able to do that.

And, like, that is so crazy that, like, chat GPT is on ramping. Like, I guess we all saw it coming, though, because I, I remember the first time I ever put an image into chat GPT and was like, turn this into The Simpsons, turn this into anime. I did that with my dog. I think, like, the third time I did it, I was like, some sicko's going to fucking ruin this. Like, maybe it's the male brain in me that just immediate was. I don't know, but this is an element of AI that has nothing to do with job laws.

It has to do with, like, just culture. And, um, I mean, speaking like on culture and going kind of like maybe on an extreme end, like we all, we have like O.F, right? Like, only fans. Yes. And to what you just said about chat GPT, is, is an AI acceleration going to ultimately make OF obsolete? I could see it.

I mean, like, I don't know. That's a great point. You already have like IG models that I've seen as like, some dude in like Bangladesh. Oh, I understand what you're saying. And that has like sponsorships and stuff like that. So you're creating like fake images of all these photos.

Oh my God. They're not actually real. And it's people profiting. And I guess maybe people aren't going to know a hot chick's a hot chick. How does this work? How does this work? Because it's like you might be right. If you just CGI generate infinite sexual opportunities on the internet for young men,

they'll just find what's new and exciting to them. generated themselves. Yeah, I could totally see it obliterating, like, OF or any of the, like, institutional adult content things. Right. I also wonder, like, this just is going to create rampant amount of catfishing and identity theft and, like, how many, like, lonely old men who don't have a sophisticated understanding of technology are going to get gamed by a dude who's running, like, an

Instagram model account for Bangladesh. For sure. who's like DMing them like, oh, I saw you commented on my picture, Diesel Donkey 69, like all these guys who comment when I'm like, hey, maybe we shouldn't give kids assault rifles. And they're like, hey, shut up, faggot. I want my guns. I'm like, whoa, all right. Chill down, Bruce.

And they have like their whole family and their profile picture. And I'm like, what kind of stuff do you engage with online? And I look at their replies and it's like just pro-gun shit and then commenting on women who are like, photos like the king yellow mouse beautiful woman on the world and I'm like bro you look ridiculous leaving these comments but I'm just like they there's guys doing this every day like hollering at some chick and like what is stopping some guy from Bangladesh being like this guy's a fucking schmuck I'm gonna I'm gonna take him for all he's worth by launching some AI account and sending him like indiscernible videos he's gonna think I'm a real woman or who

Or maybe I sexed him with this crazy stuff. Who knows? Speaking of sexting, I've been waiting for this segue. I'm going to read you a sext. And I want you to tell me which cabinet members said it. Okay? This is a new segment of the podcast. Oh, oh, hey.

Yeah, all right. So this is from Christian sent me this. My husband's using AI for his sexual fantasies. This is a thumbnail on YouTube right now on a video that has like, oh, like lots of use. of thousands of views. And this is coming from a government employee. No,

this is posted on YouTube. This is the thumbnail and the caption of the video is all I was sent. But my husband is using AI for his sexual fantasy. So this person is like seeking help for that. So obviously it's happening. If it's happening, like what's really weird, it's like there's probably people who are just talking to it.

There's probably people who are just using it for images. And then like, the beginning of the end of what? But yeah, but like, okay, what is stopping us from crossing into that path where somebody makes images that are inappropriate or not of an adult-aged person.

I don't even know, but we're clearly right up against that. Yeah, I hear you. And, yeah, right, like just quick pivot, hard pivot. Back to our segue. Which cabinet member sexted the following? I want to squeeze your cheeks to force open your mouth. I'll hold your nose as you look up at me. Encourage you to swallow.

Don't spill it. drop. I am your river, and you are my canyon. I mean to flow through you. I mean to subdue and tame you. Oh my God. Who could it be? You know what bums me out is that like I have like five people that come to mind like honestly starting with the president. No, he doesn't count. He would never text this by the way. There's way too few all capitalized words. Facts. I mean, I can see Heggseth saying that. Great choice. No. J.D. Vance went to Yale. He seems like. that could have been written. No.

No. Well, then it's got to be the guy that has like a detailed account of like 75 sexual encounters, right? RFK. It is RFK, man. I, I, it, he like, okay, the Mondani Trump meeting was so wild that nobody's talked about this, but he had like a very public affair with a reporter named Olivia Newsie who was engaged at the time.

And these were the sexts that he was sending this woman. So it is. super fucking strange it is just like sex scandals have existed in politics forever forever forever and like whether it's some republican running for office who's secretly gay or whether it's bill clinton doing something with an aid in the oval office and dragging that out for fucking 30 years shit just happens when you give these people power yeah like abuse it to trump just got busted by the epstein biographer michael wolf for emails he was saying sending saying he was banging as like 28 year old assistant and you're like dude he probably wasn't he was just yapping yeah he literally said like yeah i'm banging her

like just to sound cool so it's like yeah like the high school like when you're entering maturity sometimes these dudes these dudes do this but like okay rfk is 70 something years old yeah and he's talking about and i quote i'm a river you're my canyon all I'll squeeze your cheeks and open your mouth. I'll hold your nose. What the fuck? This sounds like a man who's like addicted to porn. No man is thinking this hard and this in detail about a blow job.

I'm just, I'm just going to put it out there. I am the river and you are the canyon. Bro, what the fuck are you riding a screen? I got a question now that was kind of like related to what we talked about before. You think you pumped that into an AI generator to send that off? No. Oh, my. Could he probably?

Probably. He probably has. He's probably doing that right now. Although this was pre-AI. I just, the amount of women who've told other women, like, no,

it's got to vote for RFK. It's for the health of the kids, for the health of their country. It's like, bro, have you read the guy's sex? Do you want him in charge of fucking health

and human services? Like, if you were president and reminding everybody, he ran for president. Robert Kennedy ran for president. He'd like to still be president. running for president he's going to probably run in 2028 for president if he were running i don't know

the country instead of hHS let's say trump and biden had like a fucking that debate they did or they just started beating the shit out of each other instead of debating and they just both killed each other on the stage and it's like oh no what do we do rfg is still alive right and i don't know he becomes president and this comes out and everybody knew he was having this affair it was public it was just like the details hadn't released. Imagine you're like the president and people are reading your sexts. It's like at this point where like, oh, well, Trump, anything flies. But like, it's, to me, it's 10 times worse that the guy running HHS,

which is so, like, a very serious agency is just yapping like this to married women. Like, I get it, bro. Spit your game. It's corny for me. Yeah. But, like, I don't want to know this is what is happening with the guy running HHS. I want the guy running HHS to be a drone

who maybe doesn't even have sex with his wife. I want him to be focused on health and human services, bro. Like, this is just disappointing to me. But yeah, you're right. You were correct. That is, which cabinet member, sex did this? A new I probably should have been

my first guess, but. It should always be your first guest. He actually has Trump, like, beat dead to rights on the extramarital affair thing. He has, like, didn't he have, like, some dossier with 30, seven women I think he detailed accounts of them all didn't he grade them and rate them or something like that i don't know about that that seems interesting i do know that he had a lot of affairs with his first wife who i believe killed herself i'm not entirely sure i don't want to say anything that's totally undrue but i will say speaking on the note of culture the air of the kansas city chiefs is like the only person adjacent to the nfl who's

actively pumping the Turning Point USA halftime show that no sensible person wants. It kind of died off, didn't it? It died off so fast. And I'm so glad it did because it is an absolutely stupid idea to compete with the NFL and call yourself a Patriot at the same time. Right. Don't do that. Do not do that.

Are these the same people that are like, there's nothing more America than the NFL? That's what I'm saying. Okay, so then let the fuck. Don't trust them. How dare these players kneel and disrespect our troops in the league in the NFL? It's like, yeah, well, you know what, disrespects the fucking league saying that you know better than they do when it comes to halftime. I think they have a little bit more money than you. Yeah, I think the NFL knows something about halftime show.

I am so boldly predicting that if they actually do have a fucking turning point USA halftime show, I don't think they will because I think it'll continue to get shit on. But if they do, it'll get the fucking lamest-ass ratings you've ever seen. Are you ready for this? Yes. every single one of these fucking cheesy cornballs is going to watch bad money anyway because they If anything

Like their whole operating system is I hate that What do you stand for? Nothing I just hate bad money I'm making a whole halftime show I haven't figured out who I want yet But they're white And it's because I hate bad bunny

It's like bro we know And we also fucking know You'll be watching Probably closer than anybody nitpicking thing. You remember from the outfit? These are the people that watched the fucking opening ceremony of the Olympics in France. And they're like, it's Satanism.

It's Satanism. Do you remember that? I don't, but I remember it being in like they were on boats, right? Bro, the intellectual right was going crazy over the Olympics opening ceremonies. I swear to God, they were like, intellectual right. Olympic opening ceremony drag performance. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

resembles last supper. Rankles, conservatives. Yeah, they were like, get this shit out of here. They were like, because they had like a trans person. Right. Oh, my God. So they just, they're going to be mad about any spectacle in before, in the middle of or after a sporting event of any kind.

Totally. Never, ever to admit they are out of touch. No. Which actually, like, how things are and what is appreciating. Because isn't in France, like the reason, the whole reason they had that is a huge artsy area. and that's one of the areas in which, like, I think drag became popular. That makes it a lot of sense.

So it was like literally historical. Like whether you agree with that or not is a whole thing, but at least understand why they're doing it instead of just being a mad about it. Well, I'm just glad that the year the chiefs are the least likely to make the playoffs in a long fucking time. The daughter of the wealthy-ass people who own that team, who I'm sure is just so successful in her own right. Incredible. Self-made.

I heard she earned all of her money. She can absolutely take all that self-aid money. self-made money and back this halftime show and disrespect the other 31 owners of the league because she'll probably be in Cabo with the Chiefs watching the Super Bowl because she ain't going to fucking be there for the first time in a long time and maybe just maybe that's why she's so salted about it speaking to people who are weirdly out on a limb clay Higgins here's the name for you boys clay Higgins i don't know that i've heard that name oh my god clay Higgins wins fucking dump

fuck of the year award okay how many people this is a fun fun question for you how many people are in the united states house of representatives oh is it like 435 bingo great i did pay attention in history so that's how many like districts there are right that you can represent how many seats i now know who klayicketts hold in congress right now in the house in the house they're the minority party so What does that mean? Like, 228 maybe? It's 213. Okay.

And to get a majority vote, you need two, you need half, 435 divided by two plus one. Because 435 divided by two is unfortunately 217.5. So you have a tiebreaker built into that uneven number. Right. Before last week on the Epstein files, there were 270. confirmed yes to votes. All 212 Democrats and five Republicans.

Thomas Massey and Marjorie Taylor Green, who resigned last night, unbelievable, were the biggest names on that list of Republicans. But they were still one short. Okay? This is where it gets great. Once they finally end the shutdown

and they get this woman, Adelaide, took Rahalva into Congress. She's like, I'm fucking voting for it. It's 2.18. That was what she said. Unless someone defects, Trump called Lauren Bobert and was like, and Nancy Mace, I think, too. Please kill it in the house, Lauren.

I know you're one of the five. Please kill it. She said no. And then he told Nancy Mace, like, can you try to kill this thing in the Senate for me? And she was like, yeah, I'm not available. I heard she didn't actually, I heard she didn't take the call. Yeah, actually, I think I heard that too. So what's really crazy is what becomes of this, and we might even have talked about this on the pod,

is a jail break vote, where everybody is now aware that, okay, it's going to pass. So where I vote is going to be reflected on. Totally. So people had suspected that up to 100 Republicans might vote for this. So it gets back to Trump. Bro, there's no fucking way. So he goes, okay, instead of trying to block it, I'm going to re-strategize. I'm going to come up with a new plan.

He says, I'm going to sign it. Send it. Send it through. I'm going to sign it. And I think his plan is to just say he's currently under investigation for other stuff. So it's all got to be redacted. However, one fucking guy did not check the email, bro. Clay Higgins.

This is so bad. Clay Higgins is the one person who did not vote to release the files. It passed 427 to 1. Honest mistake. Craig Higgins, check your text, bro. He's, like, got a group text with the Republicans. He's like, these guys are so annoying. I'm putting it on silent.

He's, like, making fantasy trades. Would we vote on Epstein? No? All right. I'm not releasing the file. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah, I don't know if anyone has been more toasted on the internet in one day than Clay Higgins was for that.

Yeah, that was a, that's a really bad look. Because even when people who have been, like, to this month, or to this month, to this point in the administration, been like, yeah, we're going to do everything in our power. to make sure none of this comes out or on board with it be like yeah release it that's a bad look what's even worse is it was 427 to 1 so that's 428 at a 435 that means seven people voted present or like we're like i was on the can i but or they're out yeah yeah could we not have done that clay higgins could we not have simply just been uh i am present vote just plead the fifth what are we doing so yeah epstein files We had left with our, like, two pods ago on, like, we don't know what's going to happen.

And now we're here. They are released, but I have a, like, semi-bold prediction that we won't get anything out of these files. That this will not, in fact, develop into anything significant. No, sure. And Trump will squeeze it kind of out of this. But I do think it's done lasting damage to the coalition. And I think there's a lot of people who should be embarrassed that they voted for him three times. because of the Epstein list,

only to find out that he's probably the most likely person on the list. There's no other photos and footage of anyone else as close to Epstein as him. I don't think I could, I can't conceivably come up with, like, a bigger, oh, no, I really fucked up than that. Like, I, like, what, like, what would be a bigger, like, traitorous move? Like, if Joe Biden was like, hey, I'm going to be really nice to trans people during my administration and then just like deportable and it's like ah psych a deportable yeah it's like almost as bad as being like oh yeah we're gonna get you that list we're gonna bind you all those pitos

we're gonna release it in binders and in phases we're on the top of the you're on the top of the list like how do you explain this is like a huge departure from the promise huge like I mean maybe it's not because you got the list but like what is it worth to you if to get the list it costs voting for someone on the list like wasn't also that list like the same list that the Biden administration also like released and it like really wasn't that different it was like the same those those people yes so you still voted for the guy but all this information got the same list that list for sure but the reason that he said you have to release it is because the abstinistate was like we have a bunch of fucking documents from this guy we're just

gonna show you right and he has no clue what's in those documents so he's terrified that's why he keeps going back to the flight logs that we've known about since the Biden administration. But it's like, that's why all these are like, why didn't Biden release it? It was like, well, Epstein's estate never told him they'd give it to him. They just started being really cooperative recently, probably because these survivors are speaking out. I don't know. But one thing's for sure, Trump's terrified of what's on that list.

I don't think we ever get it. My, like, biggest wish is to see if that photo that allegedly Putin has is. It is true. I would love that. I would love that. I'm not holding my breath, but that would be hysterical. We did get, speaking of people who you could have voted for

if you didn't want to vote for a pedophile. Kamala Harris was doing an interview with Tim Miller this week. I thought she sounded solid. I know you heard some of it. Yeah. I don't think she's perfect. I don't think I want her to run in 2028. I know she's going to run.

You think she's done. I think she's done. I think this scorned her enough and I kind of got that from that. Wow. Okay. I would love to have like a gentleman's bet on this because I felt like she is so not done. I felt like she came out like she likes Tim. Tim likes her. They had a great interview. She brought her best. And she just kept painting this vision of America. And she said this one line. She's like, I didn't lose. We didn't lose. He didn't win any more than he beat me by a little bit. This was like one of the tightest elections in the long time. And here's how I look. at it i think one third of the country voted for him one third the country voted for me and one third

of the country didn't vote and it's our job to build with those people and i was like whoa whoa whoa sounds like you got an eye on the ball lady i i mean i thought like again like the messaging was there i just think circumstantially like what she ended up going through because like in that interview she also talked about like yeah that was seeing that night election night and uh me not the winner like that was like the biggest knife in the in the heart like i've ever i've ever had and i could totally see her just like kind of stepping away and staying kind of like in the shadows about it all maybe she takes a more advisory role somewhere totally that's where it's like way less eyes on her she decided not to run for governor of california i think that's an ominous sign too that

shows like because like wouldn't you expect someone who's going to run in the next presidential election to get into government somewhere i mean it's a good point but like here's the problem i don't think you can ever go from being vice president to something lower in politics you can only do lateral and like even though governor is extremely high ranking name a governor who wouldn't abdicate their seat to be the vice president like we saw it with tim walls yeah josh shapiro didn't want to do it for that reason but like i think if joe biden had called Gavin Newsom very much I want to be president-governor and was like, hey kid, you want to be my VP?

He'd be like, yes, sir, I'm on the first take. I'm on the first flight out. You know, who would have fucking run for governor? Kamala Harris. So I think that is an interesting thing. I think that I think she doesn't want to be governor because she wants to focus on being president. And I think you're saying she doesn't want to be either

and they both fucked her up. And I actually think that's not a bad take. I think she wants to create an impact and I think in whatever position she's able to do if it's like an advisory role or whatever it is like maybe maybe the next Democratic nominee kind of like brings her on in some sort of role and because they really value what she had to say with all the policies she was hoping to implement to help out the American people and she's able to do that I think that's really all that matters to her it's not necessarily the limelight and I mean I guess being the first female president is like that's a huge fucking deal. The biggest accomplishment yet to. And the second black president in and of itself too. Yeah. She would be the first Asian president.

Yeah. I think she's half black, half Asian. Right. I mean, it could go either way, I think. You know what I would do if I were running for president in 2028 as a Democrat? I would say, you know, you're most like potentially going to be running against Kamala Harris. I would say something to the effect of like, listen, I, you know, I'm honored to be up here. competing against Vice President Harris for the nomination.

I thought her run to try to beat Trump was special, but she wasn't able to get over that hump for reasons that probably have something to do with her being a woman and black and all the minority and, you know, gender-driven friction there is for women and people of color. But I think she's so politically talented, and I respect her so much that even if I become, the nominee, I know she wouldn't want to be vice president again, but I would hope she would

consider being my attorney general, or I hope she would consider being the next Supreme Court Justice of the United States of America. And I think people would be like, oh, my God, I can have Gavin and a little Kamala. I love it. And like, I don't know if anybody's going to try that, but that would be a very strong move to almost pigeonhole her because I do think people wonder about her leadership capabilities. But one thing a lot of people said was she'd be a great justice or they'd love her to be the attorney general. Right.

Because she was the attorney general of California. Right. So I don't know what happens to Kamala, but no one knows except for her. And we'll talk about it and more on the next episode of the podcast. I hope you guys enjoyed this episode. If you did, be sure to leave a five-star rating review on Apple and Spotify. It helps more people find the pod. Follow us on Instagram as well as on other social so you can keep up with our thoughts there.

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