Ear Biscuits with Rhett & Link - 125: What Makes Something Funny? | Ear Biscuits Ep. 125

Episode Date: December 18, 2017

Rhett & Link go down the rabbit hole about humor, from what makes things laugh out loud funny, their experience with doing a live comedic show many times over, and workshop one of Link's tour jokes on... this week's Ear Biscuits. Listen to Ear Biscuits at:  Apple Podcasts: http://applepodcasts.com/earbiscuits Spotify: http://spoti.fi/2oIaAwp Art19: https://art19.com/shows/ear-biscuits SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/earbiscuits Follow This Is Mythical: Facebook: http://facebook.com/ThisIsMythical Instagram: http://instagram.com/ThisIsMythical Twitter: http://twitter.com/ThisIsMythical Other Mythical Channels: Good Mythical Morning: https://www.youtube.com/user/rhettandlink2 Good Mythical MORE: https://youtube.com/user/rhettandlink3 Rhett & Link: https://youtube.com/rhettandlink Credits: Hosted By: Rhett & Link Executive Producer: Stevie Wynne Levine Managing Producer: Cody D'Ambrosio Production Manager: Jacob Moncrief Technical Director: Meggie Malloy Editor: Kiko Suura Graphics: Matthew Dwyer Set Design/Construction: Cassie Cobb Content Manager: Becca Canote Logo Design: Carra Sykes To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcript
Discussion (0)
Starting point is 00:00:00 This, this, this, this is Mythical. Welcome to Ear Biscuits, I'm Rhett. And I'm Link, you! Today at the round table of dim lighting, we're gonna be talking at each other and to each other. I'm certain that we'll listen to each other at times and respond. We're gonna go down the rabbit hole.
Starting point is 00:00:25 We have no clue. And you said today instead of this week. I mean I'm already listening to that. Right now. I like it when you say this week at the round table of dim lighting. This week at the round table of dim lighting. There you go.
Starting point is 00:00:38 Rhett and Link are gonna talk at each other. And I just spoke about us in the third person. I don't care what you say after you say it. As long as you say this week at the round table of dim lighting, everything is good for me. We have no clue, Mythical Beast, where this is gonna go because we're gonna release the rabbit, it's gonna go down a hole,
Starting point is 00:00:59 and the way we release the rabbit is we open this sealed envelope, it's actually got a piece of Scotch tape but we're gonna open that up and there's something that is a topic that one of you submitted. What makes it scotch tape? And we're, that's a brand name. I know but what makes them, did they? And then we're gonna go.
Starting point is 00:01:19 Is it scotch? Down that hole after the rabbit for as long as it takes to talk about what we need to talk about. Originally is what I'm saying. Don't know. Is it from, because if something is Scottish, that's from the country of Scotland. Something is Scotch, it's a drink.
Starting point is 00:01:37 Well, if you're Scotch Irish. If you're Scotch Irish, which I am, then you're of those places, you're of the British Isles. So did my people invent clear tape? I'd love to think so. Like your line? No. I don't think you got it in you, Rhett, I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:01:55 Not specifically, just my people as a people. Technically they're your people too because you did the 23andMe thing and you're also from the British Isles. I mean, we're probably cousins. Distant, distant. So we're gonna do that. But before we do that, we're gonna just quickly
Starting point is 00:02:14 let you guys know about this, the impending travel extravaganza. At an interesting time. For the past two weeks, we have been basically what I would say on, and by on I mean working, you know, professionally participating in our professional participating profession every single day for, we're probably going on three weeks
Starting point is 00:02:40 now, but from either. Yeah, no day that's not something happening professionally. On any given day, it's making Good Mythical Morning, being at the Tour of Mythicality or traveling to and fro across the country and I know you're on fumes and I'm on fumes too, man. Yeah, I mean. I can't even say the expression right, running on fumes.
Starting point is 00:03:05 I'm very in touch with, you know, we talked about this, how I'm beginning to be in touch with how my brain is just not working that great. You know, I'm very much in need of this holiday break. I'm super excited about just not having specific obligations of the professional variety for a number of weeks. So as we record this, you know, there's a palpable expectation of.
Starting point is 00:03:38 Relaxation? Of just letting my brain just sit for a second. But it's not over because tomorrow. of just letting my brain just sit for a second. But it's not over because tomorrow. Oh no, it's an expectation and we're not in it. Yeah, certainly not. As we record this, again, and I'm not trying to gain any sort of points. No, I'm not complaining, it's just an interesting time
Starting point is 00:03:59 to explore verbally. Just to give you the reality. So we basically shot the last episode to explore verbally. Just to give you the reality. So, we basically shot the last episode of Good Mythical Morning for the year today. Tomorrow, we get on a plane, we go to Orlando. Friday we have a show in Orlando, then we fly to Atlanta, we have two shows in Atlanta on Saturday, then we fly to Durham,
Starting point is 00:04:23 North Carolina, we have a show on Sunday night in North Carolina. Homecoming show to wrap up the tour of Mythicality. But then we don't come back home. No, no, no, no. We then fly to New York City for Monday where we will be on the Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon. So as of the release of this, if you're listening to this fresh,
Starting point is 00:04:41 tonight we'll be talking with Mr. Fallon once again. Then we wake up the next morning, get on a plane again, go across the country back to Los Angeles. Because the plan was when we did the Durham show. To stay. To stay there because our family would come with us and then we found out that they have to be in school until the following Friday.
Starting point is 00:05:03 So that plan got busted, we have to fly back. We stay home. Wait a few days and then fly all back with them. And then we fly all the way back with the fam to North Carolina. So I'm disappointed that our family can't be at our homecoming show. I mean they've seen the show multiple times
Starting point is 00:05:17 but to be there with family, we're doing a pig picking with family before the show. But the pig will have been fully picked by the time we eat it. Yeah. They're not bringing a full hog head on hog. Of course we could probably request that. We could, it's not too late for us.
Starting point is 00:05:32 But by the time you're listening to it, it's done. So you can't help us out there. But yeah, I mean, it's the downward spiral into the holidays. But when you go- It's funny how the year just unravels at the end. But in years past, you've gone home, like neither of us has a relaxing time,
Starting point is 00:05:53 but I do generally stay in the same place. We stay with my sister-in-law the whole time that we're there. So I'm not, I'm going a lot of places, but every night I'm back in the same place. You're typically in multiple places but isn't that changing this year? I'm typically over the course of almost two weeks
Starting point is 00:06:13 in seven different places. Yeah that's not. Like quite literally. That's not relaxing. I've become an itinerant person. And you wanna give your best to your family but. And that's tough, it is tough. Especially at the end of the year, you're just like, I got nothing.
Starting point is 00:06:27 They're like, man, they went out there to Los Angeles and became zombies. Yeah, I think it will, you know, I'm hoping I'm gonna have a refreshed attitude towards seeing everybody. Towards people? Yeah, towards people in general. You get together with family
Starting point is 00:06:45 and there's this dynamic, especially now when we only see them in person, sometimes some of the family members once a year and this is it, you know, but the thing about those family members is that they're not used to you living in their space. So it's difficult for them too. I mean, so it's difficult for them too. I mean, so it's difficult for everybody
Starting point is 00:07:06 because we should just get a hotel and then we can have a visit experience instead of like we're setting up shop with three kids in your house. But the thing is is that both parties feel. It's a lot of adjustment. Both parties feel an obligation to stay in the home because as a visitor, you're like, well,
Starting point is 00:07:26 I feel like I should want to be here with you. And then you're like, I feel like I should want you to be here with us. Sure. But technically, But practically, in practice. If you were in a hotel, both parties would be happier. But this is just the way humans work.
Starting point is 00:07:42 Right. We have to do things that make us unhappy because we're trying to make each other happy. I'm staying in less places. So ironic. Because my sister-in-law and my brother-in-law have a new place that it's bigger and can accommodate our family.
Starting point is 00:07:59 So we're gonna stay there longer. But that doesn't mean we're not staying at my in-laws and my mama's house and maybe Nana's house, I don't know. They live pretty far. And then my dad's house, you know, and then he's got another place at the beach and he's going down there and it's like, how much am I gonna see before you go down to the beach?
Starting point is 00:08:19 You know, oh gosh, it's all this stuff. But what if it was like an uncle, is it Uncle Randy in Christmas Vacation? Is that what Dennis Quaid? Don't ask me. Randy, no, Randy Quaid plays Uncle, somebody looked that up. I don't know why I'm not remembering it,
Starting point is 00:08:32 but he has, he has an RV. What if we had RVs that just stayed. Tight quarters in an RV, even with your fam. Stayed in North Carolina. You're like immediate family, that's tough. No, but then you're just like, well, I'll be out in an RV, even with your fam. Just stayed in North Carolina. You're like immediate family, that's tough. No, but then you're just like, I'll be out in the RV. He's always talking about how he's gonna be out in the RV. I think I understand.
Starting point is 00:08:55 But the one thing that is different besides staying with my sister-in-law in her house now is did I tell you that my dad called and said, we made a decision, did I talk about this on Good Mythical More? I can't remember. We made a decision. Did I talk about this on Good Mythical More? I can't remember. We made a decision this year, I just wanna let you know, I talked to your Aunt Tisi, we're not giving gifts to each other this year.
Starting point is 00:09:17 We made a decision. And Cousin Eddie is what Nikki is saying. Yes, Cousin Eddie. Yeah, I'm not familiar with the movie. I'm familiar with the movie, I just haven't seen the movie. You haven't seen Christmas Vacation? Watch it with your family. No, no, no, seriously.
Starting point is 00:09:34 That's a great thing to watch with your family. Is there nudity? There's usually like toplessness in those 80s vacation movies. I don't think so. I think that's the first vacation. Christie Brinkley, but I don't even think it's actual nudity.
Starting point is 00:09:48 Maybe I blocked it out. Well it's not shown but it's implied and it would be very awkward. I mean it's just anatomy. Kids will get through it fast, they'll learn something. But I think. Kids will get through it fast and they'll learn something. Christmas Vacation, I mean they sucked on the things
Starting point is 00:10:00 when they came out of the womb. I mean what's the problem with seeing some in a pool? I don't understand. But anyway. Do you want me to answer that? But Christmas Vacation is great. You watch it with your family. I watched it with my family.
Starting point is 00:10:14 I don't remember anything inappropriate. Well, I'm ashamed to say I've been so busy we haven't even watched the greatest movie of all time for any time of year and any time of earth in the history of movies, Elf. It's the greatest. The best movie. It's the greatest Christmas movie. It's my favorite movie of all time. It wasn't until you started like brr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr-fr It's my number one. You said that before, man. It's my number one. It's never been my number one until right now. It's a great movie.
Starting point is 00:10:47 It's the best Christmas movie. I'm tired of it. I'm tired of you dogging it. It's not the best movie. I love the movie, but to say it's the best movie of all time. It is a perfect movie. Just means you haven't seen enough movies. But you're gonna watch that.
Starting point is 00:10:58 You should also, do it. So we're not buying Christmas gifts for each other. Double feature. But we are still gonna get them for the kids. It's my dad talking. Oh, well that's nice. And I, and you know, cause there's like. You shouldn't care about that.
Starting point is 00:11:11 It's like not for the adults. And it's like, yeah, cause all, cause my dad said, We're gonna get you anyway. All we're gonna do is exchange money. I'm gonna give you money, you're gonna give me money. Yeah. And I'm like, dad, you're a genius. And I get off the phone and I tell Christy,
Starting point is 00:11:25 I'm like, we got big news. We're not getting each other presents at the Neal Christmas this year. And she's like, I am so relieved. Like, I mean, there's so many people that like, we had no clue, what am I gonna get Kurt? Like cousin Kurt. Like, I don't know, like another.
Starting point is 00:11:43 You should still get your dad something. But don't get, I mean he's your dad. Well I'm his son, he's not getting me anything and I think it's a beautiful thing. I'm gonna give him love and my presence. And he's gonna, and by presence I mean with a C. Your physical presence. And he's gonna give that back to me.
Starting point is 00:12:04 And that's what it's, that's better, man. I'm not gonna, I give him a Lowe's gift card. He gives me money. Well the problem is I've set this precedent with my parents. Like last year we got them like a night at a really nice bed and breakfast and that's got an amazing restaurant attached to it.
Starting point is 00:12:28 And it was like a night at this restaurant, a night at this bed and breakfast and then this restaurant and we kind of went all out. And it's like, but now once you do that, you gotta keep, once you dip that deep, you gotta dip that deep forever. Did they go to it? They loved it. Did they give to it? They loved it.
Starting point is 00:12:45 Did they give you details? They called me and texted me while they were there. Oh good. Are you trying to make it seem, you don't think they went? No, it's a place that we knew that they loved and they had been, we spent our first anniversary there. I think that's great.
Starting point is 00:12:59 It's an incredible place. I guess I'm a, you know, I don't love getting gifts because I have this psychological thing about how much did this cost? How much, you know, I get tripped up with a lot of the gifts and it's just not my love language. So if everyone agrees, then it's like. If he initiated it.
Starting point is 00:13:22 Especially when it's like now it's, you know, we enjoy seeing the kids open presents, but we just wanna be together and catch up. We only see each other once, twice a year now. So to like, to relegate that to my dad trying on a button-up shirt that's way too big and then saying, this shirt's way too big. Is the receipt in here?
Starting point is 00:13:41 Because my dad does not pull any punches. Well, getting people clothes is always a mistake unless you know specifically their size and the brand. Yeah, so we're gonna get through this weekend and stuff. It's gonna be great wrap up to the tour of Mythicality, which was a tremendously positive experience meeting so many Mythical Beasts and seeing so many faces in person. We would do the tour, we would do the show,
Starting point is 00:14:12 then we would have a Q&A and it's just very valuable. It's an experience for us to feel connected. But now that we've done that, okay. Well, and I think it's like- I'm gonna go holiday it. And also it's the kind of thing that I think I would feel differently about, it's been great while we're in the midst of it,
Starting point is 00:14:34 but I would feel differently about it if it was the only thing that we were doing for like, oh, we took a month and we did this thing. Yeah. I think it's the mixing of so many different things that makes it difficult to keep up with. But let's transition to the rabbit hole. But before that, for those of you who have not agreed
Starting point is 00:14:51 with your family members that you're not gonna give gifts to each other, we have the perfect holiday gift. For any person. For anyone. Yes, you may think we're nuts and we are a little bit. We have developed a fragrance, Mythical No. 9, comes in this handy dandy black and sparkling cologne-y, perfume-y looking thing. It is a scent for all people. Yes, so this is- Men, women, children.
Starting point is 00:15:16 This is a unisex fragrance that we formulated with our friends at Beard and Lady. So again, with everything that we do with our friends, Lance and Lacey, over at Beard and Lady. So again, with everything that we do with our friends, Lance and Lacey over at Beard and Lady, we start with this concept and then we start working it out and it took us, and then we get everybody involved here so we basically got all these different scents. Everybody was spritzing, spraying,
Starting point is 00:15:39 scenting and sniffing. Basically the crew collectively. Fighting, it was like arguments about it. Decided that this is the fragrance that we all love. And I'm really proud of it. I have never worn a scent. I didn't know where to put it. Well, you can put it anywhere you want.
Starting point is 00:15:57 Put it everywhere. Except your eyes or your mouth or your nose. Does it say that on there? You don't put it everywhere except your eyes, your mouth and your nose. Put it everywhere except an orifice. We should have written that on there. There it everywhere except your eyes, your mouth, and your nose. Put it everywhere except an orifice. We should have written that on there. There is a note from us on the back
Starting point is 00:16:09 that I'm not gonna read because I want you to read it when you buy it. But it's a good amount of fragrance here. It's not so much that you can't put it in your toiletry bag on the flight. Now I had a guy. But it's almost, it's the perfect amount. I had a guy, I had a dad come up to me
Starting point is 00:16:24 at the Tour of Mythicality and he said, I wanna let you guys know that your beard oil and your lip balm. Good stuff. And your pomade, it's really good. Like you did, and you know what? A couple of YouTubers decide to make products like this. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:39 You're like, well, what kind of, you know they didn't have anything to do with it, but as we've made clear many times, we were intimately involved in the development of this stuff and they use only the best materials for this stuff. Feel the same exact way about this, so it's quality stuff. Smell like us. Yeah, this is the way we can.
Starting point is 00:16:55 When we smell the way we want to smell, not the way we sometimes end up smelling. We can all identify each other. Should've put that on the packaging too. This is the thing, if we all start wearing this as a mythical herd, then you'll just be able to notice people just in public. I smell a mythical beast and you make a new friend
Starting point is 00:17:12 and that was really the reason that we decided to do this. Plus it's magic and it'll make you smarter. Did I say that last part out loud? What, the magic and smarter part? No, you didn't. Okay, good. I didn't hear it. All right, you ready to go down the rabbit hole? Mythical.store, you ready to go down the rabbit hole?
Starting point is 00:17:28 Yeah, do it. I'm gonna touch it, but you pick it up. This is risky, guys. So this is a fan prompt, right? That's where we get these. We get these from the Mythical Beasts themselves, and then we're just gonna follow. Do we have a backup if we think this sucks?
Starting point is 00:17:43 Okay. Yeah, of course they know that. They know us well enough. Thank you. This comes from Joshua. Wow, Joshua, what spells his name differently than the Joshua's that I know? Joshua Tolley.
Starting point is 00:17:55 What makes something funny? And why do I laugh harder at some things than others? Wow, this is pretty interesting. Were you involved in this conversation recently that we were having about this very thing? Well I know at one, I don't know, I don't think so recently but I did some reading on the subject about nine months ago
Starting point is 00:18:20 and I think we talked about that maybe as an episode of GMM so which means it could have been two years ago. It runs together. But are you saying you were talking to someone about what makes something, maybe I was there, I don't remember though. What was the nature of the conversation? It was me and Mike talking about this,
Starting point is 00:18:40 our friend Mike, our intellectual friend Mike. Oh yeah. And so I don't know how we got started talking about this, but we were talking about specifically what makes something funny and he talked about how he had these theories about what makes something funny, but he had once brought them up in the presence of Pete Holmes, comedian Pete Holmes is a friend of his,
Starting point is 00:19:04 and he was like, Pete Holmes shot everything down. Basically he said, well, this doesn't apply and this doesn't apply and I think the conclusion of that conversation was that there's not one thing that makes something funny, but. No, but I know you can categorize the different things that can make you laugh, like the element of surprise or subversion or, you know, people have scientifically
Starting point is 00:19:28 analyzed and categorized these things but it kinda removes the power of it. I mean we can get into it. Let's start there because I wanna tell you what Mike told me because I had a theory, right? And then his theory kind of dovetailed into what I was saying. Okay. I was actually thinking about this
Starting point is 00:19:46 in the context of the Tour of Mythicality and how we've been in this group setting where we've been delivering these jokes. And you immediately know if the thing that you thought was funny actually was. And we've noticed this thing where different parts of the show are funny based on where we're at in the country, whether or not people are sitting down
Starting point is 00:20:11 or standing up. So some venues everybody's seated and some venues everyone's on the floor standing up and then there's like a balcony. List any variable and it is a viable contributor to whether something is found funny or not. Lighting, temperature. Temperature is a big one.
Starting point is 00:20:29 You know. If people are hot. General comfort. Too hot, too cold, whatever. Expectations. But one of the things, I was thinking about, one of the things that we've kind of hung our hat on just as a comedic device and we've done this
Starting point is 00:20:43 and you see this in so many of the things that we do, is that we start in a place that's relatable. Like so we bring you in and get you hooked on something that's relatable, and then we subvert that thing that's relatable, and there's an element of surprise or subversion that then kind of makes you laugh. And you'll see that is a pattern that we follow
Starting point is 00:21:05 in a lot of the jokes that we write and a lot of the concepts that we have in like Buddy System, but even Good Mythical Morning. So I was talking with Mike about this and I said that I feel like there is something in a laugh that is a non-lingual vocalization of me saying, is a non-lingual vocalization of me saying, I relate to this, and then if I hear you laughing at the same thing, you're like, I relate to this.
Starting point is 00:21:34 It kinda goes back to the whole first chapter of the Book of Mythicality, where we connected in our senses of humor, and it was just like, it's a way to say that I just observed something and I have a vocalization that I can make that is almost bypasses the language parts of my brain, which I'm gonna get back to with Mike's super intellectual analysis of this in a second
Starting point is 00:21:53 because this is exactly what he said. That lets you know that I kind of get and understand something and relate to something in a way that moves me to laughter and then you can also do that. You know, so it's the same, and this is one of the reasons that like, you know like when you get something, you get a joke and you kinda, you reach over
Starting point is 00:22:13 and you kinda nudge somebody. Laughter is coming from the same part of the brain in my estimation. And this is just one kind of laughter. Relational laughter, we'll call that. But Mike, I was talking to Mike about this and he said, well interestingly, there's been some research done and this is also kind of his theory.
Starting point is 00:22:34 I don't know how much is his theory and how much he's read but he was just telling me about it. But he's a smart dude so it could be a lot from him. But he was talking about how before humans could actually use words, so there was some point where we developed the ability to speak, but before that, we just were making vocalizations,
Starting point is 00:22:52 so you've got your caveman grunt sort of situation. And so you kinda know like, I'm happy! I'm hungry. You observe chimpanzees and they're gonna be making these types of vocalizations. Well, he said there's a situation where, and I wish he was here to explain this, but there's a situation in which you've got somebody who's walking in the night and you're walking outside
Starting point is 00:23:25 and then another primate kinda comes up to you walking in the night and you're walking outside and then another primate kinda comes up to you and you surprise each other at the same time and instead of, there's no language, you're not speaking language, but you want to be able to do something to keep yourself from getting attacked and to say I'm friendly. And so you surprise somebody and say.
Starting point is 00:23:49 That is a completely disarming thing that immediately you recognize a friend and not a foe. Now I didn't do a good job of explaining that. But there's some, and again, that's where it kind of comes from this relational place. So I think that one aspect of what makes something funny is you're basically just saying, yes, I have that exact perspective on that thing.
Starting point is 00:24:16 I totally get this. I remember, you remember when we used to watch Sinbad? When he would, you remember this comedian, Sinbad? Well, yeah. And he would be doing his Apollo set or whatever. And I remember he would, you remember this comedian, Sinbad? Well yeah. And he would be like doing his Apollo set or whatever. And I remember he would just tell these stories about his grandma or his mom punishing him. And as kids who were being disciplined by our parents,
Starting point is 00:24:38 I would watch that and I would laugh my butt off because I was also being disciplined by my parents in ways that were very relatable to what he was saying. And so the way I would kind of just recognize that is by just laughing my butt off, man. So I think that's one aspect of it. That it's just like a, it's a defense mechanism, it's an evolutionary, that's the evolutionary explanation
Starting point is 00:25:05 that it comes from a defense mechanism. Well, that's. Kinda takes some of the joy out of it. Well, good luck with digging into anything scientifically. I mean, if you dig into the origins of love scientifically, you're gonna become disenchanted pretty quickly. But that doesn't mean that it's any less meaningful. It just means that there's a natural explanation for it.
Starting point is 00:25:27 It is very meaningful whenever you can, without saying a word at all, you can express like utter agreement. Like it's so pure because you can't, you can fake it, but it's fake. Like when it's not fake and you're laughing with somebody, like you said, that's what solidified our friendship was that we laughed at the same things.
Starting point is 00:25:53 It's that moment where, you know, when you're really having an honest reaction of joy, you know, it's like, it's a beautiful thing. But what about when you're laughing at something that is wrong? So what is it? Well if someone else is also laughing at it, then it's okay, is what we're saying.
Starting point is 00:26:17 Is it schadenfreude, is that the word? Laughing at someone else's misfortune. So that's a different thing, right? So that, but different thing, right? But again, there's definitely some sort of deeper explanation that's in our genetics. But that could be a situation where there's some adaptive advantage to the fact that me and you see some dude do something
Starting point is 00:26:43 and we kind of team up and laugh at him. We're separating ourselves from somebody who screwed up. Right? Which seems like a horrible thing, but ultimately the reason that you have a tendency to do that is because there's some adaptive advantage to sort of teaming up against somebody who is falling, who's fallen in some way.
Starting point is 00:27:02 But specifically that whole laughing at somebody's misfortune, I kinda go back to the community college rant that I did on GMM recently that got a really interesting response to that, right? Because the vast. I hope people found it funny. Oh, the vast majority of people were like,
Starting point is 00:27:29 this is so funny, I loved every minute of it, I'm a community college student. I got messages and tweets from a lot of people basically just saying that I'm in community college and I thought it was hilarious. Now I got other people who said I'm in community college and I busted my butt and I am offended by what you did and I think you belittled it.
Starting point is 00:27:50 And what I was trying to say in the moment was. You're making fun of a stereotype. Yeah. I don't remember what you said but I mean it's just. And nothing that I said, when you think about my intention, nothing that I said actually disqualifies or undermines anything that you've accomplished with a community college education.
Starting point is 00:28:10 Which was a point I was trying to make, but of course I'm just trying to be funny when I'm doing that, so I'm even undermining my explanation in the moment just for the comedy. But what makes that funny, right? So, and how much has humor changed because if I had made that joke 20 years ago, absolutely no one would be offended.
Starting point is 00:28:33 Like no one would, but like we live in a- No, it wasn't a joke. I think it was joke. We live in a completely different time. First of all, it was like, it was a shock joke. It was surprising that you said something derogatory about community colleges because you don't expect that from us on the show. And then you were probably laughing at my reaction
Starting point is 00:28:57 at the same time, which supported the fact that I was also shocked. And then the fact that I was trying to like smooth it over, I hope was found funny because it built it. And people are laughing at you. It supported the initial reaction of shock and then it was like, yeah, he's squirming. So there's like discomfort.
Starting point is 00:29:20 So that's a different type of humor. But they're relating to you at that moment. There's a relation and then there's, or it's just different type of humor. But they're relating to you at that moment. It's a relation and then there's, or it's just I embody the discomfort. Yeah, so they relate or they just find that funny. Which is the similar dynamic is, again, this is something we go to, we go to this well quite a bit,
Starting point is 00:29:38 where you'll be doing something that's just ridiculous. You may be gagging on something, you may say something that is unintentionally sexual or completely crazy in some way, and my response is just to kind of look at you like you're a moron, or better yet, look directly into the camera, like can you believe this guy?
Starting point is 00:30:00 Which I never see that, by the way, because more than my glasses are built. People laugh at what you do initially and then they laugh at me because I'm trying to establish a connection with the audience to be like, now I want you to relate to me in the way that I perceive this guy. Yeah and we have this advantage with that
Starting point is 00:30:21 because it's two different, if you don't think what I'm doing is funny, then if you act like you don't think it's funny, then they think it's funny that you're acting that way. So we got double the chances of people finding something funny. Even, I'm sure there's people who watch the show who just, it goes beyond they got a favorite.
Starting point is 00:30:40 It's like, I actually don't find what Link does funny. Or what Rhett, like Rhett kinda annoys me because you fill in the blank. I'm sure people feel that way. And that's, you know, we try to take full advantage of that. You know, it's like, it's foil. I take, and this is what's wrong with me, is I take joy in knowing that there are people
Starting point is 00:31:02 who are upset about my community college conversation. I think then there were other things that became funny because first of all, there was the surprise of the fact that the segment derailed. Like I was getting so much, I loved the fact that like, it was very clear that none of this was planned and that we sunk or swim based on what happened and I think that that's another,
Starting point is 00:31:30 you know, I don't know if it's as much funny as this is just a delight response in, oh, they're off the rails. So there's like a delight moment. And then the fact that you, is it a different reason that it's funny that you would backtrack and then you would, you'd step in it again on purpose. That became the bit.
Starting point is 00:31:56 Like finding that bit was, I think, funny for a different reason, that it was a hapless thing. I don't know what they call that when it's like, it's more of a clown. It's like if you bring that down to its essence at that moment where you started stepping in your own poop, it was like a clown. It was misfortune.
Starting point is 00:32:25 And it was a throwback. Which it's just so. Oh you mean a runner. Yeah but I mean I kept throwing back to it which is a runner, yeah. But it's so crazy because. But none of this, I think the beauty of all of it is that nobody needs to understand.
Starting point is 00:32:42 You can't define it. You know, it's that nobody needs to understand. You know, it's fun to talk about it. I'm not making a point that we shouldn't talk about this. I am just saying that the beautiful thing is that it's so instinctual. I think that's where you enjoy talking about the evolutionary origins of it is that, you know, it feels like magic that all of a sudden
Starting point is 00:33:05 something burps out of you because you're reacting honestly to something with delight. Like, that's, it's just an amazing moment that like, you don't, like the intricacies that we just, you know, we just broke down why we thought that was funny and it didn't make it funnier. Well, and we're just, and also- And that's a beautiful thing.
Starting point is 00:33:27 We're just scratching the surface and we could be wrong, you know? Well, I mean, but my point is, whether we're right or wrong, when you laugh, when you smile, when you like, that deep belly laugh that happens that like, if you did one of those a day, you would live 10 years longer.
Starting point is 00:33:47 You're adding life to yourself. You know, you're, unless you get hit by a car or fall off a cliff or something. Well, like, you're creating longevity with those belly laughs and it's not something that, you can place yourself in a position to do that but you can't fake it. It's just something that happens.
Starting point is 00:34:14 And that's why comedy should win Oscars. There should be a category. There's nothing harder than making somebody laugh. And there is musical or comedy. It is a category. Yeah. Well, hold on, what's the, no, they don't have a best actor in a comedy,
Starting point is 00:34:33 is that what it is? What's the, there's an Oscar thing they don't have that recognize comedies. Well, they don't have like funniest actor, they don't have that, but they have best musical or comedy and they put it together with musicals, so they. Well, I'll put it this way then, I think that comedies should be for best picture
Starting point is 00:34:47 and they should be legit comedies. I do think that it's, you know, it's difficult to do lots of things. It's hard to scare people but I think it's even harder to make people laugh. Well let's, okay. A lot of people do it though. The way that we think about, like the energy
Starting point is 00:35:03 that goes into making somebody laugh so. I guess I'm biased because I try to do it. Well yeah, of course, but one of the things that we talk about with having done the tour is like, you know, once we get out on stage and people are responding, we're having a great time. But there are moments, especially on the show, the days that we do two shows, where after the first show,
Starting point is 00:35:24 I'm like, I kinda would rather not do this next show. You know, if it was just up to me, I would just go to my hotel room and go to sleep. And we've talked about how if I was just a musician, if that was all we did and it wasn't funny songs, it was just songs, there's a way to kind of get lost in the music and just kind of just connect with the music
Starting point is 00:35:43 and the people are there witnessing that. But when you're trying to make people laugh, it's not about your performance, it's about your connection, right? It's about your connection to the audience. And it takes a certain amount of energy that I personally believe is significantly more than it takes to play music.
Starting point is 00:36:00 Now that doesn't mean being a musician is easy and also we've said many times as much as people say, you guys should write serious songs and sing serious songs, we know our limitations as musicians and we think that doing comedic music is a real sweet spot for us. But it is a different level of energy because it's so relational.
Starting point is 00:36:19 It's so much about a connection with the recipient of whatever you're throwing out there. It's just a different, it requires something different. Do you feel like it's like a singer songwriter who wrote a song about that was like very poignant and personal to them, maybe like let's say the death of a loved one, getting on stage and performing that song
Starting point is 00:36:46 and just breaking down in tears every time in order to give that particular audience to convey the depth of the experience of that loss that they're singing about in the song. Like sometimes I do feel like, you know, we can say the joke and it'll be funny to get a laugh, but there's other times you can say like, well, it's weird because I'm on stage a lot,
Starting point is 00:37:13 we're both on stage a lot, listening to the other person talk, and I've found that the best, one of the best things I can do is actually find what you're saying funny. And we haven't talked about this, so I'm curious what you think. There's certain points where we're on opposite sides
Starting point is 00:37:29 of the stage, sometimes there's a light up on you and there's not one on me, so I'm in the dark. But when I'm, and I can tell that people are still watching my reaction. And if I can find what you're saying funny as if it's the first time I've heard it and I'm not actually acting, but there's like, that's a hard place to get back to you
Starting point is 00:37:49 when you've heard a joke 40 times. Sometimes it happens and I do believe it helps the audience find it funnier. What are you doing when I'm trying to say something funny? When I'm in the dark? Not those moments. Well, no, at the beginning of the show when something funny? When I'm in the dark? Not those moments. Well, no, at the beginning of the show, when you're talking and I'm in the dark,
Starting point is 00:38:08 I'm looking at one, I'm usually looking at one place and like this with a very slight smile on my face. I don't wanna be a distraction. Like a statue. Yeah, and I wanna be, because the original intention of that portion of the show when we wrote it was that the other guy would be completely in the dark.
Starting point is 00:38:23 And in some venues, we are completely in the dark. But there's other venues where the lighting is different and it bounces off certain things and so you can basically just see and there's somebody like three feet from you and they're like, I can look down there and I can see they're looking at me, especially the parts where we start talking about each other.
Starting point is 00:38:38 Yeah. Now all eyes go to me when you talk about me and vice versa. And at those moments, I still, I kinda just pick my smile up a little bit. But you don't look at me? I do not look at you during those portions of the show. But.
Starting point is 00:38:51 What about when the, I do. When the lights are up and we're next to each other, yeah, I'm just, I'm engaged with it and there's a, you know, I saw somebody tweet. One of the great things about, somebody was tweeting about what happened in Minneapolis or Chicago, I don't know what show it was, maybe it was Chicago, when you're, the sweater,
Starting point is 00:39:12 you took the sweater off? Yeah. And then the sweater became a bit and I grabbed you by the sweater and led you like a horse. Well let's say what happened. Okay. Do we need to?
Starting point is 00:39:22 No. It seems frustrating to say, you remember the thing with the sweater, but then you don't tell them what happened with the sweater. Well, I think. Well, basically, I mean, you can make it quick. I forgot, we start a song and we're singing along to a track and I sing first
Starting point is 00:39:37 and I totally blanked on the song. Like I just said. First time the whole tour that's happened. And it was because I stopped the song. And then before I restarted it, I said, well, I totally blanked on the start of the song because I was thinking about whether I should be wearing this sweater while singing this song.
Starting point is 00:39:57 You wore like your big Mr. Rogers sweater. And it was Mr. Rogers singing about like an R&B song and I just felt weird about it to the point that I totally blanked on the lyrics and we discussed this on stage. But you took it off, you stopped the song and then. I restarted the song. And then when you restarted the song,
Starting point is 00:40:14 like I have this opening thing that I say and I made it about your sweater and then at the end of that song, we have this thing where we're like facing each other and whispering to each other on stage and then you got the sweater and I was pushing the sweater away with my foot and then you were upset with,
Starting point is 00:40:27 this is all obviously just for show, but then I picked it up and I grabbed you. I was upset because you were making my sweater dirty. Yeah and I put it around your neck and like tried to make you bow like I was leading you like a horse. And I saw somebody tweet who was at that show and they said, I don't know,
Starting point is 00:40:41 the great thing about this is I just don't know what part was planned and what wasn't. Yeah. So I don't know if the great thing about this is I just don't know what part was planned and what wasn't. Yeah. So I don't know if the sweater is a part of every show. Well, it's not. And yeah. I'll never wear the sweater again because it made me forget the lyrics.
Starting point is 00:40:52 But if I, and I knew we could never recreate that moment or I would do the sweater every time but. But what you're kind of talking about is. It's not honest enough. There's, there are things that are, everyone who's there knows that were written, you know, like I know that they're telling a story that they knew about ahead of time, but then there's the,
Starting point is 00:41:10 oh well Link just said something in the middle of Lorette's story or vice versa and now they're riffing on something. Well some of those riffs are things that happened on the third show of the tour and then we were like, oh what did we say, that was really funny, let's make that part of the script. And so now there are riffs that are part of the script,
Starting point is 00:41:27 but then every night there's new riffs that may replace existing scripted riffs or they may just be added. And so, you know, like heading into this final weekend, four shows in a row. And also like, it's the end of the tour and it's like we're a little bit looser, we know the material.
Starting point is 00:41:44 So the ground is very fertile for just ad-libbing and riffing on something. We're living for those moments. But now, there's this, well, the first time Link said that thing about so-and-so, I laughed at him and then said this, so it isn't like the next time that I say it, I'm not gonna also laugh at you. But now my laugh has become an act.
Starting point is 00:42:07 Yeah. But my goal is that you as the audience are perceiving the laugh as, well, he's responding for the first time because if I take that laugh out and now I'm giving you half of the reality that happened three shows ago, I want you to get the reality
Starting point is 00:42:22 that we created three shows ago so you'll react the same way the audience did. And it may seem a little less authentic to us, but it feels the same to the audience. Well the fascinating thing to me is like a lot of it is, well there's certain points where we're commenting on the photos behind us and there's like subtle things
Starting point is 00:42:41 that like the first time you decided to ad lib one more joke about how big your pants were in that picture, I was looking at the audience and then I had to look back. And then if I just stay there and keep staring at the photo waiting for you to say the pants joke, it doesn't help. But if I turn back to the audience and then I'm like, okay, if I really recreate this as an honest moment,
Starting point is 00:43:05 if I reenact it, I gotta react at the right moment. Oh he's got one more thing, he must have just made that up. Because people pick up on the most subtle things and I think that's one of the things I enjoyed about the show doing the tour the most is that you realize the psychology of what makes something funny. It's not just the words coming out of your mouth, it's every single thing.
Starting point is 00:43:30 And the cool thing about it is you can fine tune it, right? So we sing a song as part of the tour show that we wrote 15 years ago. And I don't wanna, for the people who, well the tour will be over for the most part, well yeah, I don't know when we'll do the show again. I don't even have to say what the song is. Well we're trying to make a version that people can watch
Starting point is 00:43:56 so I don't wanna spoil too much. It's a song we wrote a long time ago and it's really interesting because, we actually talked about this in the Q&A at one of these places because there's a difference between, I think one of the reasons that we use a song from 15 years ago is because we wrote that song when we weren't making YouTube videos,
Starting point is 00:44:17 but if we were doing a funny song, it was in front of a crowd. And so we wrote songs that made sense in like a live setting. But then once YouTube came along and we started writing songs, we were thinking just as much about the visual that was gonna accompany that as we were the lyric. And so now we've got a lot of songs that,
Starting point is 00:44:38 sure they may be funny to listen to, but they're intended to be very funny when you watch the music video. But if we were to just break those songs out and sing them live, you'd kind of be like, in fact, the one song that really is like that, in the show, we show the music video as we sing it. Right.
Starting point is 00:44:58 Whereas the rest of the songs are songs that pretty much exist for an audience to just enjoy. So there's just this dynamic. Well it's a different type of comedy. I mean, to get a laugh on a stage in a song is different than to get a laugh in a YouTube video when you have the visual component. And we started writing towards that
Starting point is 00:45:22 and I think that's why we, that's why, again, why I enjoy the live show so much is that it's a different way to be funny. I mean, everything is scripted, I mean, which is in stark contrast to Good Mythical Morning, you know, and so it was energizing for us from a comedy standpoint to say, okay, how do you make somebody laugh in person?
Starting point is 00:45:48 That's not what we've been doing. I mean there are points when we just, we just couldn't give, we didn't wanna do a Good Mythical Morning live. We could certainly do that later and yeah, you would find it funny and it would be recreating the screen experience in real life. I mean, from a creative standpoint, that wasn't as exciting to us
Starting point is 00:46:12 because it would have been the same thing. Well, I mean, right now, I don't think we'd be happy to go out for this long weekend and do it one more time if we were gonna sit behind a desk and do the same type of comedy. It kinda goes back to what you just said when you're talking about the person who sings a heartfelt song.
Starting point is 00:46:30 So let's say there's somebody who has this very moving song about somebody dying and they cry when they perform it. And then you go to the concert and you see them do this and you see them cry and you're like, well, they can't cry every, this is a performance, right? Seeing somebody cry, even if they're legitimately great at it and there's tears flowing and everything and they're able to conjure up some kind of emotion,
Starting point is 00:46:56 if you saw that every night, that's a much different sensation than seeing somebody laugh and knowing that, they probably laugh at this point every single day. Like that's a much easier pill to swallow to see somebody fake humor than fake actual sorrow, right? We don't tolerate that as a species. Someone who is entertaining us, and I actually knew a guy like this
Starting point is 00:47:22 who had this way of speaking when he was getting very serious about something and he started to sound like he was crying. Like he was crying? But he wasn't crying. Was this what he would do? Yeah, but it was a. I just wanna say one more thing.
Starting point is 00:47:36 Yeah, but it wasn't that fake. It wasn't as fake as you're going, but it was this tinge of I'm very sad right now, but I knew that he was just saying something to me that he had said to other people before. And I had this really negative reaction to it. Well, yeah. In the same way that I don't feel. One thing to be on a stage,
Starting point is 00:47:53 it's another, when it's like, okay, this is a mode. But you know. But do that interpersonally is a bit odd. There are comedians who laugh at themselves. I mean, we do that quite often. I just did it a little bit right there. But when people. You laughed at yourself.
Starting point is 00:48:08 When people. Was that fake? Is that what you're saying? No, it wasn't, I mean, this is fake. Right now? I mean, this, yeah. This is fake. I can't decide if what I just did was fake.
Starting point is 00:48:21 Really? That's how far we've come. You're kidding me. I had an emotional reaction, a positive reaction to what you did until it dawned on me it was fake. But my knee jerk reaction was I felt good for one little second
Starting point is 00:48:37 and then I felt really bad because I determined it was fake. But if you take something like a funny Broadway show, so as far as I know, unless somebody's phone rings, Broadway shows don't have a lot of improv. You know what I'm saying? That's not what you're there for. They do the same show every single night,
Starting point is 00:48:57 99% identical unless they screw up. Comedians feed off the crowd. They do a different thing. Somebody says something, somebody heckles, they get in on that and they dig in on that. They may change things up. But when you've paid to see a Broadway show, you wanna see the Broadway show that you paid to see.
Starting point is 00:49:14 Those people are doing, and let's say it's like Book of Mormon or whatever, so it's a funny show. Those people are doing the same thing night in, night out, you know, six, seven nights a week, I don't know how many nights a month sometimes for some of these people. And they're trying to capture that performance.
Starting point is 00:49:34 I've thought a little bit about what that might be like, having just done like a few shows in a row. Mm-hmm. And I think that those people might be able to retreat a little bit into the performance. And they know it so well that they may be up there performing. I think you can pick it out.
Starting point is 00:49:52 And they're thinking about, oh, I've gotta pay the bills when I get home. If you have a decent seat, I think you will experience a difference. Not if somebody's great. Not if somebody's a great performer, I don't think you pick it out. Well, I think all you really mean is that
Starting point is 00:50:05 if they gave the performance of a lifetime, you'll be blown away, but just their baseline, phoning it in, if they're great, it's still gonna be great, but it's not their greatest. The perception of, I think ultimately what this comes back to is the perception of authenticity is a very important part of humor. Well, I'm also interested, I'm certain that,
Starting point is 00:50:27 Even if it's not real. I'm certain there are musicians that are like, oh, it's the same for me, it's the same for us musicians. And I'm not gonna disagree with that. I watched enough of American Idol and The Voice Coaches about how you gotta believe the words in order for that to convey. Yeah, but we've also been in a band though.
Starting point is 00:50:45 I mean, it wasn't anything like what we have now, but there was a time for a couple of years. When I believed it, it still A, sucked, but B, was a better performance. It was like, well, it sucks, but I can tell he believes in what he's doing. But the music is the thing that sometimes energizes you, even if, because obviously we played
Starting point is 00:51:04 for the smallest of small crowds. We would go to some places and there'd be seven people there. That's tough. It's tough, but then where do you find the energy? You find the energy in the music. Close your eyes, I close my eyes. You find it in the music. But I wouldn't just go fish-eyed and just be like.
Starting point is 00:51:18 But can you do that with comedy? Can you go to a comedy club and have seven people who aren't laughing at all and get up there? No, it's gonna be awkward and the air is gonna be taken out of your performance. I mean the way that you can get lost in the music, you can't do that with comedy. I mean I'm thinking about Born Standing Up,
Starting point is 00:51:35 the Steve Martin book, autobiography, it's autobiography. Yeah. That I mean you mentioned in a Q&A a couple weeks back. Yeah, one of my favorite books. Maybe I wanna reread that. I recommend that you read that if you haven't, if you're interested in this type of stuff because that gets inside of his life, his psyche.
Starting point is 00:51:58 But I particularly remember like his, what was going through his brain when he was on stage and how you got this one joke and it all comes down to this one moment and if somebody sneezes at the wrong time in the very back, like the bartender in the very back of the venue. It's such a fragile state. Just has a little sneeze and it's like,
Starting point is 00:52:20 it's thrown off and you're like, okay, I gotta let that one go. And it's exhilarating when you're like, your brain is firing, you're so on, and then it's like okay, I want something to go wrong so I can prove that this is not something, that this is something that's just popping off the top of my brain right now.
Starting point is 00:52:37 But you want it to go wrong at the right place because one of the things you're. Yeah but you want it, yeah, yeah, yeah, I kinda switched tracks there in the middle. You want it to be, it's such a fragile thing for it to work the way you've planned. And you want something to go wrong. And then to be so good at it when you've planned it
Starting point is 00:52:51 and then when, that's a whole other level that you can. But you want something to go wrong because of you in a lot of ways. I mean, yeah, sure sometimes somebody says something in the crowd and you make a moment out of it, but I think that that's one of the things that just as a performer is frustrating when there's, you know, and there'll be,
Starting point is 00:53:12 we've got these moments in the show where the whole point is that there's nothing happening here. And sometimes there's like a, the lights go out and we're moving to a new position. And you know, in an ideal world, if the stagehands knew what was going on, which incidentally, the stagehands for our shows,
Starting point is 00:53:28 it's always a new crew, it's the house crew, so they have to be taught what all the beats are, and sometimes they're good and sometimes they're not. But if something kinda screws up and all of a sudden there's seven new seconds in this blackout that you never expected, well a crowd's natural response at a show like ours is for somebody to yell out something.
Starting point is 00:53:48 And depending on what they yell out, if they yell out something and the lights come up less than two seconds after they yell something, the expectation is well Rhett and Link are gonna say something about that, Rhett and Link are gonna respond to that. And then there's this choice that we have to make in the moment.
Starting point is 00:54:03 Am I gonna respond to the thing the person said or am I gonna say the thing that I know I'm supposed to say right now? But if they say something and it dies back down in like four to six seconds have passed, then the moment's gone and you just say that. It's such a fragile thing and like you said, if you begin to talk and then they say,
Starting point is 00:54:21 like if you're beginning to talk as the lights come up and that's when somebody decides to say something, you know, it's part of being a comedian and our crowds are generally like super respectful and they're not trying to make the moment about them. But I can only imagine what it would be like to be like a standup comedian. I have so much, I mean I have such a,
Starting point is 00:54:43 People who don't know you. Renewed and heightened appreciation for what it means to be a good standup comic, having done what we do. I mean, that's an aspect of what we're doing. I would not call us standup comedians by any stretch of the imagination, but we're in that mode a few times.
Starting point is 00:55:03 And for the people that are great at it, it's like, well, that's, I mean, that's what, it's as hard as anything that's, any occupation that's difficult to do and then nail it. It's, yeah, I got a lot of respect for those people having done what we've done. And you know, this, you see this a lot, where there's somebody who is really funny in a crowd.
Starting point is 00:55:32 They tend to say funny things at the right time. They seem to have good timing and they're kind of the life of the party. And then people are like, you should be a standup comedian. And what you'll find more often than not is that someone who's actually a good stand-up comedian, if you meet them in person, you'd be like,
Starting point is 00:55:55 what's special about this person? This person doesn't talk a lot. What's eating that person, I think, is what you would actually say. This person seems to be thinking a lot right now. This person seems to be super introspective. What, that dude is such a downer. Watch out for that person because they're gonna be,
Starting point is 00:56:11 that's where your standup comedian's gonna be because it's somebody who's observing and internalizing the things. Now that doesn't mean that there's not these life of the party, you know, you throw, I don't know, we met Kevin Hart in person and he was on when the camera was on and he was on when the camera was off. We rode across town with him, just the three of us in a car
Starting point is 00:56:31 and it was like, first of all, he was super nice and all business when we were just talking. Yeah, he wasn't funny. He wasn't trying to be funny at those times. Yeah, no one laughed. But he can turn it on super easy, but I think that, I'd say the majority of people, you just meet somebody and they just seem
Starting point is 00:56:50 like a thoughtful person. The person who's great in a crowd and super extroverted and always says the right thing, when you say, hey, go put together a standup set, it doesn't follow that they're gonna be able to create something from thin air and then take it in front of a crowd. It's just a totally different,
Starting point is 00:57:11 it's coming from a totally different place. I wouldn't wanna do it. I wouldn't want, we have all these crutches that we can hold onto. We go to a place and everyone there, except for the very few people who've been dragged there by relatives know who we are, like what we do, and know why they think we're funny.
Starting point is 00:57:29 So we've won the battle before we start the show. Oh yeah. And then we're doing things like, well this scripted part here and this song here that's gonna be a crowd pleaser. But just to stand up there raw. And I think this is one of the reasons that traditionally stand up comics
Starting point is 00:57:46 don't really respect musical comedians. Like, oh, that guy with the guitar. Because it's like, it's a crutch, it's a barrier, it's a wall you stand behind, it's a way to protect yourself from the audience. But you take that guitar down and all you have is a microphone. Now it's you and your mind being exposed
Starting point is 00:58:03 to a crowd of people. And you have to be able to translate what's in your mind in a way that makes them laugh. And as we've already established, there's something scientific going on, but it's very complex. Yeah, and it's, I mean, it's, I'm glad we talked about this
Starting point is 00:58:19 because it gave me a renewed appreciation for the experience we've had on the tour that you sit down and we write out and plan out what we're gonna do on stage in order to get laughs and then now at the end of the tour, we see how much it's changed because we weren't right about everything and we fixed, we had to fix it. You know, and I still gotta fix that like deceased grandma joke about Christy's grandma.
Starting point is 00:58:53 Like, cause, You can't say that on a Sunday night. I cannot say that one in front of, I mean, it's kind of an anti-joke anyway. It's a joke intended to get a reaction that's not a laugh. Well, it's a setup for the next a reaction that's not a laugh. It's a setup for the next joke where people do laugh, but you can't say it anymore.
Starting point is 00:59:09 But now I can't talk about how her grandma was deceased because Christy's parents are gonna be in the audience. So I'm gonna lose that setup, but I still gotta. They will not take that joke. So then the thing that I have to say after, I still gotta say, I gotta move on. So it's just gonna, I'm gonna feel a little defeated inside but I think that I can take one for the team.
Starting point is 00:59:33 And I went all directions with that thing and I never, it bothers me that I didn't land on something new. I just came up with the joke. I just came up with the joke. Can I pitch it to you right now? Yeah. I think your new joke should be.
Starting point is 00:59:47 Should I say what the joke is? I don't wanna leave him out of this. Well yeah, so I tell the story about how I emailed Jessie's grandmother as a conduit to then have her print the email out and then mail it to her. The story from the book, if you've read the book. The story from the book.
Starting point is 01:00:03 And then I talk about how that was awkward and whatever, and then Link says. I say, well, when Christy and I first started dating, communication was difficult for us too. Because her grandma didn't have an email address. She was deceased. It still makes me laugh. The whole, I love that kind of humor.
Starting point is 01:00:23 The whole crowd just is like, oh. But a few people laugh at her grandma didn't have an email address. Yeah, it's not, I wish that was a better joke. So here's my pitch, let me just throw this, try this off the side. And then I say, but that's a setup, which is, because then everyone's like, ooh, that feels really bad.
Starting point is 01:00:42 And then I'm like, I don't know if you know this about me but I have a talent for making things awkward and then everybody laughs because A, everybody there knows me and knows that that's true about me and B, I just did it. It breaks the awkwardness. It breaks it. The tension.
Starting point is 01:00:59 Breaks the tension which is another way to be funny. But what if you said. And by the way, her grandma was deceased and by the way, we all do that. We all deceased? Yes. Now. And sometimes I've said that to the audience
Starting point is 01:01:12 and it hasn't helped. What about this? What if you say, and I'm not saying that this is comedy gold, but I think it's a step in the right direction and it's appropriate for the crowd when the grandma and when your in-laws are there. If you say, communication was difficult
Starting point is 01:01:27 for me and Christy as well, I didn't know her grandma's email address. I'll try it. That's better. The only thing is having done it so much, I got like a muscle memory. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm gonna be so fixated on saying that right
Starting point is 01:01:44 that I'm gonna screw it up. So I gotta practice in the shower a lot. Yeah, just practice it. No, you know what, I'll do it, I'll have to do it on the Atlanta shows. Yeah, just do it. I think I gotta try it out. It isn't like the joke has been so great that you've taken it out ahead of time.
Starting point is 01:02:00 And if it works, I can still do the she was, and plus she was deceased. Like if I screw that up and don't get a laugh, I can still do the she was, and plus she was deceased. Like if I screw that up and don't get a laugh, I can still say the deceased one in Atlanta. And I'll have three times to practice it. Yeah, and you can see what kind of laugh you get on the front end. What was it?
Starting point is 01:02:15 Because I didn't know her grandma's email address. I didn't know her grandma's email address. Now the question is. It's a dry joke. It's like, and it is a little awkward. What if you wet it up a little bit? What if you say, because you say, for the life of me, I didn't know our grandma's email address.
Starting point is 01:02:30 That's a you joke, not a me joke. My joke would be say that, but then do something weird with my head. You know, it's like that thing I started doing. Well, you do that shortly after that. Right, yeah, I do that after. You can't do that there, because then when you do the thing with the head, then it becomes annoying. You can only do that like two that. Right, I do, yeah, I do that. You can't do that there. I can't do it twice. Because then when you do the thing with the head,
Starting point is 01:02:45 then it becomes annoying. You can only do that like two times a show, you know? So I learned that, you know, Rhett will pitch me jokes like that and then I'm like, yeah, that would be a great joke for you. But it's like, put a chicken neck in it. I got a better one. Communication was also difficult for me and Christy
Starting point is 01:03:03 when we were getting to know each other because I didn't know Gaga's email address. So like you wanted to use my same grandma because Gaga refused to send, because Gaga refused to print my emails out from, this is getting better, see we're getting better. Yeah. You say, you're finally deciding to help.
Starting point is 01:03:20 Communication with me and Christy was difficult in the early stages of our relationship too because Gaga refused to send my emails to Christy to print out my emails for Christy. That's it, that's the joke. I guarantee you that I'll get laughs. Now why is that funny? I don't know.
Starting point is 01:03:35 Because I came up with it. Why was that funny? Because it was not true. And why was that funny? Because it was not true. And why was that funny? Because it was true. Because it was true. Now we're relating! Wow! Wow, this is humor! We're friends!
Starting point is 01:03:52 Oh, this is beautiful! I'm glad you were here for this, guys. I think, Joshua, we have not really answered your question, but it was an inspiring start to a fun conversation which allowed us to, thank you, you allowed us to appreciate what we've been through. You allowed us to appreciate ourselves. And any time we can do that, we feel better. You know that's not what I was trying to say.
Starting point is 01:04:19 I think at a moment when we're utterly exhausted and I wanna be done with the tour, I now feel motivated to do it. These last four shows, man. Four more times and to do it the best ever. And the high point's gonna be that joke that I just came up with for you. Ah, you're gonna need to write it down.
Starting point is 01:04:37 You know what? Can you get Gaga to write it down? She'll be there on Sunday night. Well you write it down and mail it to, she can mail it to me. See, it's not working that great. Okay, yeah. All right guys, I know we're at the end of this thing
Starting point is 01:04:52 but, and we meant to say this at the top, but we are taking a break for the next few weeks from recording in Ear Biscuit. The next Ear Biscuit will be delivered fresh to you on January 15th. Yeah. In the new year, we'll have lots to catch up on and we will fold you in like the biscuit batter in the bowl.
Starting point is 01:05:17 You just fold it and fold it and then we'll bake it and January 15th that thing will come out. So sit tight, we got lots of old ear biscuits so you can listen back through. They don't get stale. They do not get stale. They're canned. Some of them have a cheese surprise in the middle.
Starting point is 01:05:33 Really? I didn't tell you. Okay. I've been putting cheese surprises in the middle. Listen to every one and see which one has cheese in it. Thank you.

There aren't comments yet for this episode. Click on any sentence in the transcript to leave a comment.