Ear Biscuits with Rhett & Link - 131: Love and Immortality (Rabbit Hole)| Ear Biscuits Ep. 131

Episode Date: February 19, 2018

Rhett proposes a new form of partnership called the "Love Stone" in this Rabbit Hole episode where R&L dive into the possibilities of immortality and what it would mean for romance & marriage. Listen to Ear Biscuits at:  Apple Podcasts: applepodcasts.com/earbiscuits Spotify: spoti.fi/2oIaAwp Art19: art19.com/shows/ear-biscuits SoundCloud: @earbiscuits Follow Rhett & Link: Facebook: facebook.com/rhettandlink Instagram: instagram.com/rhettandlink Twitter: twitter.com/rhettandlink Other Mythical Channels: Good Mythical Morning: www.youtube.com/user/rhettandlink2 Good Mythical MORE: youtube.com/user/rhettandlink3 Rhett & Link: youtube.com/rhettandlink Credits: Hosted By: Rhett & Link Executive Producer: Stevie Wynne Levine Managing Producer: Jacob Moncrief Producer: Meggie Malloy Technical Director & Editor: Kiko Suura Graphics: Matthew Dwyer Set Design/Construction: Cassie Cobb Content Manager: Becca Canote Logo Design: Carra Sykes To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This, this, this, this is Mythical. Welcome to Ear Biscuits, I'm Rhett. And I'm Link. This week at the round table of dim lighting, we're gonna be going down the rabbit hole. We have an envelope here, it's sealed. Inside of it is a question from a mythical beast. I can almost read it but I'm gonna wait,

I'm gonna wait, I'm gonna wait. It is gonna begin a conversation that. Could go anywhere, left, right, down, up. Oh it's gonna go down. Northeast. Down in the hole. Before we open that envelope though, I would just ask if you would allow me to share

a big milestone that is about to happen in my life. Okay well ask me then. Would you mind if I shared a joyous occasion which is happening days from now that is a milestone in my life? I'd rather you not. No, sure, go ahead. Every day when I get home,

I pull up in my driveway and I turn off my car and I reach up and I push the button to open my garage door. You open your garage door, there's not even a car in there. That's right. What do you do in there? I use it to enter the house. I walk through the garage and then I walk through the door

that's inside of the garage to get in my house as opposed to walking just to the left of the garage and going in the front door. Now, you do realize you use significantly more electricity entering. I know that this is a concern of yours. As someone who really cares about energy efficiency, the garage door opening is much less energy efficient than you walking 10 more feet to go to the front door.

But you can do whatever you want to because I don't care. Don't try to mess up my milestone. Because what I do is then I close the garage door behind me and that's where my shoes are kept. They're at the door from the garage into the house. You take your shoes off in the garage? I take my shoes off in the garage. I put on my slippers and then I go in the house.

I'm like Mr. Rogers, man. Put on my sweater and then I go in the house, I'm like Mr. Rogers, man. Put on my sweater and then I go in the house, I'm like, hello, wife and kids and dog, daddy's home. And every morning when I get up to come to work, I exit that way. I exit through the house into the garage and I put on my shoes and if I'm going to the gym, I put on my heavy coat because I'm cold natured and I wear a heavy coat. You keep your coat in the garage and I put on my shoes, and if I'm going to the gym, I put on my heavy coat

because I'm cold natured and I wear a heavy coat. You keep your coat in the garage as well? There's a coat rack in the garage. And then I walk. Can I just interject, you do realize you're strange. I mean, it's cool, I respect every bit of it, and I'm glad that it makes you happy, but you do understand that some of the things that you.

I haven't gotten to the thing that makes me happy. No, some of the things that you just described, I would, if I didn't know you, I'd be like, hmm. I'd be like, what else am I gonna find out about this guy? Well- He keeps his coats and his shoes in his garage, insists on entering through this portal and changing into a different person.

Portal, that's a good word. I treat it like my portal. It's just unusual. Unusual is great. I'm just making, do you know that it's unusual? Well before I answer that, let me add this just as a side note. Okay, okay. When I get to the gym, I take off my coat and I turn it inside out.

Okay. I hang it on a hook in the gym and then I work out, get all sweaty, then I put on my coat inside out and then I go out to my car, I get my keys from what is now an internal pocket of my coat because of how I'm wearing it. I crank up my car and I drive home.

When I get home, I open the garage door, I enter my portal, I take off the coat and turn it right side out and hang it back on the hook. I understand. Thereby keeping all the sweaty lintness On the outside. On the outside of the coat. Let me just say.

So then the next morning I'm putting the unsweaty. We understand. I respect it. I think that it's completely all, Genius. It's all justified. It's all very well thought out. But I just learned something about you

and this weird insight after knowing you all this time. Sometimes. I haven't gotten to the milestone yet, but go ahead. Sometimes I look at you as I'm speaking or as other people are speaking and I can tell that you're not present. Oh, I thought you were with pride. That too.

Just a little tear in your eye. And sometimes- That I'm not listening? Yes, and I feel like I asked the question to myself, you know, we spent a lot of time together. I think I asked this question to myself, you know we spend a lot of time together, I think I asked this question to myself 27 to 29 times a week. What is Link thinking about right now?

And you're coming up with these freaking systems. Is this what's going on when we're in the middle of something and then you're just gone? Are you like thinking about, I gotta turn the jacket inside out, that's it. Maybe. Is that what the brain is, is that where all the brain power's going?

To these systems? Because, I mean, that's a great system, I totally get it. I mean, I think people out there are gonna be like, I'm gonna do the inside out coat thing. I understand, it's completely logical. It's just, it's interesting that you've got such, the systems are so intact and so developed. Well, it's ironic, it's interesting that you've got such, the systems are so intact and so developed. Well it's ironic because it's supposed to free me up

for efficiencies for other things in life. Like not having to wash my coat or worry about. Because that's a big problem for Americans. Well there's a best way to do everything and I. Coat washing. My industrial engineering degree, I don't know if it planted this information or if I went to that.

You were attracted to that field. I was attracted to that discipline because of the way my brain thinks, so systematically superior to other people that I podcast with. And as a child, I had no, I didn't know this about you. Kids don't think about this kind of stuff,

at least we didn't. Right. I mean I wrote in the book of mythicality that I petted my dog Tucker five times on the head. But you didn't share that with me, I didn't know. No I didn't share that with anybody, not even Tucker. He knew. Dogs can count to three, I think it's been proven.

So this portal is a special place to me because it is, I'm so glad you called it a portal. Well it's more like a holodeck. It's like, because it transfers me into the world and then back into my safe nest. It's like the bridge. It's the bridge. What is the place on Star Trek where you materialize?

The holodeck. No the holodeck is where you go to experience like a virtual reality. But what is it called where they beam you up? I really like Star Wars. Star Trek is the thinking man Star Wars. Star Trek is the thinking man Star Wars. Yep, you heard it here, Gene Roddenberry.

Oh gosh. So it's a special place to me. The washer and dryer are also in there. I've seen those. I will say that. As well as all the cabinetry that was in my house when I first bought it in the kitchen and it was ugly so we put it in the garage. Right, put it in the portal.

We also have all the rugs on the floor of the garage that we no longer wanted in the house for whatever decorating reasons no longer fit in the house for whatever decorating reasons no longer fit in the house. Yeah, there's a lot of thought that's gone into it. I have noticed that. So it kinda looks like a yurt in there. There's like mal-matching rugs just everywhere.

But there's also a couple of things which have plagued me. I cannot stand walking through what I believed to be, I thought my domain, now it's my portal to and from the world. It's cluttered. I mean, there's a lamp, three lamps, a chair, different stuff. There's a recliner that some friends let us borrow

when Lily was going through a back surgery that now she doesn't need, so they don't want it back and they haven't come to pick it up so it's in the garage. There's a go cart that I bought for the kids from a neighbor because we could drive it on our street because it's a private street legally. They never got into it. And there's a carrier that I bought to put on top of our car

to hold luggage so that we could all go somewhere as a family. It's big, especially when you're just right next to it on the ground. And I can't get out of my portal walking around all this stuff and I'm seeing it twice a day at least. Especially in slippers. And it came to symbolize clutter,

comes to symbolize everywhere in my life but specifically here in my portal just a lack of control over my life and I just cannot walk through that multiple times a day and I will tell you that today somebody came and picked up that go cart because for a whole year I've been like I'm gonna get rid of this go cart. I put it on Craigslist.

No. I put it on Craigslist, $200 or best offer. Within an hour, somebody's calling to come get it. Within an hour, I could have done this a year ago. What are these people, who wants a go cart in Los Angeles? How did you communicate with the Craigslist contact? Burner phone? I got Jenna to talk to him.

Okay. So I did not personally talk to him because I didn't wanna bring that into the mix and I didn't wanna be there when they picked it up because I didn't want them to know this is my house. You didn't wanna say, go-kart owned by Link Neal. I could've got, maybe I could've got more money but I. You could've gotten 350. I didn't wanna do that go-kart owned by Link Neal. Maybe I could've gotten more money.

You could've gotten 350. I didn't wanna do that. 350, 375 maybe. You don't really like people coming to your house off Craigslist, but I was that desperate to get rid of it. Meet him at Starbucks, drive the go-kart to Starbucks. The moment we post, someone's like, I've been waiting for one of those, or whatever.

Everybody's in the market for a go-kart. I'm in the market, you didn't even tell me you were selling it. And then we, you know what? We loaded up the recliner and got it out of there and just returned it to people. So we're not gonna keep asking you to come get it, the loaner recliner. We're gonna bring it to you tomorrow.

This is gonna be over. Cause that's been 10 months. They didn't just pawn it off on you? And they were like, okay. They kinda did. Obviously they didn't want it cause it's been there for 10 months. They didn't just pawn it off on you? And they were like, okay. They kinda did. Obviously they didn't want it because it's been there for 10 months. They didn't want the recliner back.

Well they didn't need it anymore because their daughter's recovered as well. Yeah, but he had it in his office. Oh, okay. Got rid of that and I bought a rope hoist. Put that up and it holds the carrier and it levitates it above the garage door. That sounds dangerous.

Well, it's off the floor. I could literally, I know this sounds crazy. Yeah, we've been there for a while. What I'm about to say sounds crazy. I could literally park a car in my garage. But you don't wanna do that. Just think about that for a second. Nobody. That.

This. Nobody does that in California. Nobody does that anywhere with a garage. Unless you live in like frigid places and you have to. Well that's a lot of places. Okay, okay, that's fair. Yeah, don't forget so soon what the weather is like in other places. That's true.

But nowhere where weather's not a factor does anybody use the garage other than keeping all the crap that they don't want in their house. Rainy places too, cold places and rainy places. We don't have cold, we don't have rain. It's tough though. I know it's tough for everybody, even if you got rain, to keep the clutter out of there.

And I guarantee you, what I'm gonna do, what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna drive my car and I'm gonna park it in there. And then. Hold on, but that's invading the portal. I'm gonna do it once just to say I did it. And then you know what, the next day there's gonna be something there.

You might drive over a slipper. Three years ago, three years ago, I got the garage clean enough right when we moved in and I was so proud, I went in the house and I was like, Christy, you gotta come out here and see this and she was like, I'm in the middle of something. I'm like, no, no, no, no, you gotta come out here and see this and I bring her out there by the arm,

I open up the. You led her by the arm. I led her by the arm, I open up the. You led her by the arm. I led her by the arm, I said close your eyes, brought her out into the garage next to where my slippers are, said open your eyes, she opened her eyes and there was my car parked in the garage. And I was just beaming.

I was like a kid who brought home straight A's for the first, after failing. Was she as excited as you were? No. Yeah, I don't think so. Not really. First thing she said was, you can't put the car in the garage. Yep, she's right.

This is the laundry room. Yeah, so that really burst your bubble. I was like, just let it stay here tonight. Yeah, let it get a taste. That one night it stayed there, and now three years later, it's about to happen again. It's one of those moments in your life, it's a milestone moment when you can say, you know what?

I had complete control over my life for one fortnight. That's an illusion. It is an illusion. And don't let her see it. Absolutely freaking ludely. She's gonna come out there and hate it again, just like she did three years ago. Don't lead her out this time.

I won't. You know it's gonna be a disappointment. It's just for me. Don't tell anybody. Then the next day, I'll come home, I open the garage and I'm gonna pull on in and you know what, there's gonna be three lamps, a chair, and a toy that Lando doesn't play with anymore.

Yeah, that's what the garage is for. A huge dinosaur. The garage is the staging area for offing things. I feel, I feel like I'm fresh. I feel like a fresh bag of chips, man. Don't get used to it. You know when you open that bag of chips and you look down in it and you're like,

man, it's just a world of chips. I can find the perfect chip to eat first. I'm gonna find the one that's folded over on itself. You look into the chips? And I'm gonna eat that one. I open and just begin eating. Again, it's just a different way of looking at things. That's what makes it so great.

When I open that jar of peanut butter, take off that white seal underneath, and then I look and it's a pristine, it's like the ocean on the calmest, it's like a lake on the calmest morning where you could just tiptoe across it like a ballerina. That's what that peanut butter's like. And then you're like, you know what?

I'm just gonna sink my spoon and then I'm gonna lick it clean. Only once will that happen with every jar. That's true. Only once in three years will that happen with my portal. You wanna come over? I'm proud of you. I think I got all I needed from you just talking about it.

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That's joinhoney.com slash ear. That's joinhoney.com slash ear. Now back to the biscuit. Okay, let's get into this question. I just feel so good. I mean, I know that it's not healthy. I don't think you should tie your- The illusion of control. Yeah, I don't think you should tie your well-being into it.

I'm not, but I'm not gonna resist the feeling of feeling good because of it. I'm not, but I'm not gonna resist the feeling of feeling good because of it. I'm gonna put it in its place. Ali B, if I were to get cryogenically frozen, when would I want to be woken up and what age would I want to be frozen? The moment that I pull, I've already answered this, the moment I pull that car into the garage, want to be frozen? The moment that I pull, I've already answered this.

The moment I pull that car into the garage, You wanna be frozen? Freeze me, freeze the whole thing. Well, but you don't understand. It doesn't take that moment that you're experiencing and then freeze it forever. It just, you basically die at that point. And then there's a very faint hope

of you being awakened one day. And then there's a very faint hope of you being awakened one day. Okay, there's a few things here. I've actually been thinking about a lot of things related to this. Okay. Not to short circuit this, but not to short circuit this, but cryogenics is not a thing,

never will be. That's my completely unprofessional opinion. I think by the time we figure out how to actually free somebody and wake them up, we will have figured out a way to... Transfer the... Yeah, offload people's brains. The psyche. Into a computer or whatever.

I mean, are you trying to say that you don't, that it's not possible or that it won't be the most proficient thing to do when you can just put it on a hard drive. That's much easier. Once you figure that out, this will be an archaic technique, even if it is possible. I'm saying that the whole point of cryogenics

is to essentially live forever. Oh, I thought you meant to stall until stuff is figured out. We're talking about immortality ultimately here, right? Sure. Because there's the idea that in the physical world here, there is the ultimate goal of humanity,

the thing that we're all kind of working towards with our technology is never dying, defeating death, right? technology is never dying, defeating death, right? And cryogenics is just another way to defeat death. But I think that some of the interesting things that are happening in this area are much more promising than cryogenics. This stem cell stuff, let's talk about that in a completely uninformed way.

Unformed? Uninformed. Oh. I will say in one sense these rabbit hole episodes are a lot like the Avett Brothers song where they talk about people love to talk on things they don't know about. Let me just say that that is what is happening here.

Let me just say that that is what is happening here. We read enough to be a little bit dangerous in a conversation, but not to be authoritative. So this is- You're talking about Mel Gibson bringing his doctor on Joe Rogan's podcast. Yeah, but I- And I don't know if, who cares? I mean, we're a podcast talking about a podcast

that we listen to, but that's fine. Yeah, I just, I mean, I don't think that any of you come to listen to us speak for any sort of authoritative advice. If you do, I'm really concerned for you. But hopefully you come because this is an entertaining conversation, so that's what we're gonna try to have.

We're thought provoking. We listen to. Don't come for answers, come for thoughts. We listened to Joe Rogan's podcast and he had Mel Gibson on. Mel Gibson brought his doctor. Mel Gibson brought his doctor. Who treated his elderly father

who was basically on his deathbed with. A bunch of problems, multiple organ failure. He treated him down in Panama because it's not legal in the US to treat someone with the type of stem cells that he was treated with intravenously and maybe perhaps otherwise, but he made a dramatic recovery. And I cannot remember the word, starts with an M.

Mel? Mez something, there's a certain type of stem cells that are, basically, without getting into the specifics because we're not gonna be able to do that. You can listen to that episode of his podcast. Yeah, it turns out that injecting these stem cells, both intravenously, but also directly into the problem areas, is having these incredible effects.

Basically what they're seeing is that young stem cells that generate, basically secrete things that then cause the cells in older people's bodies to behave like young cells and to basically, things to start happening differently. Like there's things that, you can look at a cell and you can see the mitochondria, you can see these other things in it

and you can know if you know anything about cells, cell biology that oh this is an old cell and this is a new cell. New cells multiply very quickly and they're healthy in all the different parts but as we age, everything becomes less efficient and that's why you don't heal as quickly and you don't repair yourself. And eventually you're just basically slowly dying. Once you hit adulthood, you're basically just slowly dying.

Mesenchymal stem cells. Which are not embryonic stem cells. Right, again, and that's one of the things, let me, yeah, we'll say that, that stem cells were super controversial and probably continue to be super controversial, especially in the United States because the impression was that these were embryonic

and they were like taking babies and that's not at all what this is, that's not what's happening. I don't exactly know the science behind it but it isn't that kind of thing. Some of them are from the umbilical cord that is donated but they can also get some cells from your own body and anyway,

it's not actually a controversial thing, it just kind of feels that way. But anyway, what is happening with this with the way that it's not actually a controversial thing, it just kinda feels that way. But anyway, what is happening with this, with the way that it's like ultimately, it's like Mel Gibson's dad was 92, had all these issues, he's 100 now, and he's as healthy as he's ever been. And they're doing, they're reversing heart disease, they're healing people who have spinal cord injuries.

This is not pseudoscience, this is not like anecdotal evidence that you see in some whack commercial. No, this is documented, peer reviewed stuff that is happening where people. Even though we are only repeating the anecdotal evidence. No, no, but the doctor was not, it wasn't anecdotal. Okay, that's true.

That's well documented, multiple sources, it's been done multiple times. Like people who, like the story of a guy who was in his car wreck and could not walk, had no sensation under, below the vertebrae where the spinal cord injury was. Now the dude, and the dude walks around, he's fine. He walks around, he has full mobility, full functionality

of his everything below the belt, and he can walk, he can run, he can do anything, and it's because of these freaking stem cells that are repairing tissue in a way that was not possible before this. It definitely, that conversation definitely had this futuristic, magical ring to it that's like, wow, this is what it's gonna be like.

I mean, this is gonna be such a commonplace treatment a decade from now. It felt like the way that people were talking about cryogenics years ago. Talking about Joe DiMaggio freezing himself or something like that. Walt Disney. Walt Disney, which that's a myth.

He did not freeze himself. I believe they said that Michael Jackson had a chamber before he died. But let's just say. It feels the same as cryogenics, but it's much more rooted in promising science. And without getting into the, I don't wanna bore you guys,

I know some of you guys, when we talk about certain scientific concepts, are like, well, I don't wanna hear about this. I don't wanna talk about that the whole time. And obviously we don't know that much about it. We just listen to the podcast and I've read a couple of books. But let's just assume that things will continue

as they have been and this technology, coupled with CRISPR and these other things that are going to continue to happen and develop. Yeah, you can just get in, so your lifestyle will be you just get an injection or you'll hook up, like you'll charge your car, you'll go through your portal into your living room, sit in your recliner, and then you'll hook up to your IVs of the stem cells

and you'll just get euthanized just get euthyzed. Not euthanized, totally different thing. Yeah, you'll be, for all intents and purposes, again, I don't know when this will happen, but let's just assume that there will be a point in which we can continue human life indefinitely, okay? Now, interesting book, I told you guys, I've raved about the book Sapiens.

Well, the same guy wrote Homo Deus, which is a follow-up to Sapiens, which is basically looking forward into the future. I just started this book, I'm a few chapters in. But he talks about this, this issue, the idea of we're all kind of trying to become immortal, that's what all this technology is kind of looking towards.

And he talked about the idea of how we mortals take risks. It's like we go surfing, which is not even that risky, but we might go skydiving or even ride in a car. We do things all the time that for certain moments, the probability of us dying is greatly increased. Yeah, like shoot a confetti popper at your face. Exactly. Point blank range. And we do these things knowing that, well,

I'm gonna die someday. I mean, you don't think about it like that, but we live in a culture where we know that we've got 70, 80, 90 years and it's over. Well, his point was, if we get to a place where you can sustain human life indefinitely, people are gonna become very, very different. They're gonna look at risk a lot differently. Because it's like, man, I could get 500 years

on this planet, I shouldn't go skydiving because I could be losing 300 years as opposed to, well, I'm gonna die in 40 years anyway. But then you've got like what Hollywood has taught us about the vampire demeanor. It's sad and lonely? It's nihilist and defeated. I mean, it's like, they're just grumpy.

When you live that long and you encounter, well first of all they're encountering a lot of people who aren't living that long so they are lonely. Well and also. But they're grumpy. They can only be seen, they can only come out at night, they have to kill people to live. There's a lot of negatives to being a vampire,

that's why I'm never gonna be one. Yeah, that's the problem. I mean, of course, I really don't have any control over that, I could get bit. But let's just say that it is gonna happen. I mean, it is interesting to think, are we gonna qualify? I mean, I was actually on the treadmill

at the gym the other day. And I'd been listening to this book, and I was like working out, and I was like, you know, I have to put the information into the treadmill so I can get my heart rate and all this. Yeah. Now, the first week I went to the gym, I put, it was like weight, I was like 205.

Age, 40. Ooh, ouch. Yeah, hurt. Two strikes. Hurt to type that in there. Without even thinking about it, I've. Yeah, hurt. Two strikes. To type that in there. Without even thinking about it, I've been reading this book. Third strike would be likes easy listening music. That's not an option on the treadmill.

Okay, good. Enjoys soft rock. No, it's really just your age and your weight. Okay. You know what? I put in, I didn't even make this connection until right now. You know what age I put in this week on the treadmill? You put in a different age, first of all?

Put in 25. Are you, what? Now, the reason I did it is because if you put in 25, the target heart rate goes up significantly. So you have to work harder. And I was like, if I'm here, I need to work harder. But I was also thinking, I also need to work harder like I'm a 25 year old because if I'm gonna live.

Well, a 25 year old treadmill might kill a 40 year old man. No, I held on, I was sweating a whole lot more. I did realize that a 40 year old trying to be a 25 year old on a treadmill is much uglier to watch than a 40 year old just being a 40 year old. The first week is just a 40 year old on a 40 year old treadmill and I'm sweating a little bit

and then I'm getting off. A 40 year old on a 25 year old system? I was like sweating and making noise. I had my headphones on listening to music. You could feel that you were making noise. 17 minutes into it, I realized, you're breathing like really loud. Like, but then I looked around

and everyone else was on headphones and they're all breathing and farting and stuff. Nobody's listening to each other. Breathing and farting, that's the cycle of life. But I just realized now that what I've been thinking about is well maybe this is gonna happen. Maybe there will come this time when we solve the deepest mysteries of human longevity.

Are we gonna be young enough where we can somehow be across the threshold and be taken on into the future? And then I started thinking, do I even want that? Do I wanna be a vampire? Do I wanna live to be 500? Or is 80, 90 years, is that the right time to live and then just be done? Then you slowed that treadmill down to 40 again?

No, I'm still, I'm staying on 25. Because I wanna be healthy and trying to get my heart in shape. Did you bring a coat to the gym? No, I don't do that. I don't take a coat to the gym. Okay, whatever, okay. But if I do, I'll wear it inside out.

That was good. That was my only follow-up question. I'm thinking. Do you wanna live forever? And if you do live forever, what happens, man? I mean, we did our 200 year plan as an exercise in entertainment, you know, back on GMM. But you talk about switching careers. Well, I think this is, I mean,

I do think exploring Allie's original question philosophically will kind of get at the same thing because that is, the implication there was at what point would you want to be frozen so that when you woke up, you could live from that point forward and maybe retain, like we're 40. Well I'm not 40, I am 39. Round up, sucker.

You know, her question was how much longer do we want our bodies to deteriorate before we have the chance of drastically slowing that down at some point in the future if that could happen. You know, it's, do you wanna live forever at just degrading it a lot slower? I guess so.

I mean it's the same experience except like for every one day we get now, you get three. I think that seems like an easy yes for me. I don't, I don't. But if there was a time in which you were gonna be frozen, let's just say that this would work, I think the question is what age will you have lived enough of the life on this side?

Is it you get to be 70 and it's just like okay well, if you get to be 80, like when does life become more of a burden to live? You know, and this is different for different people. But for some people, things get really, really difficult past a certain age. And you wanna be, would you wanna be frozen before that point? I think at the point, here's the thing,

you know, I've got Christy who I would, she would have to be frozen with me. I think you and then, I'd want you to be frozen with me and then you'd want Jessie to be frozen with you and then maybe, we don't want our kids to be frozen so we're gonna wait for our kids to develop lives of their own and then we reach a certain level of pride in knowing that they're achieving happiness in life and that they've, you know,

they got their own lives now. So obviously we're not gonna freeze ourselves and let our kids go through grade school, high school, college without us. Peace out, kids! Yeah, but if you wait until you're old, the kids have already lived their lives. You're probably a grandfather.

They're adults. No, but there's no point. I mean, when you start to think about that, it's like, okay, then my kids are on their own. Then you got grandkids. Well, no, the kids are on their own. When do they start making a family of their own? You wanna see that. You wanna spectate that from the stand. You wanna be, you wanna see that,

you wanna spectate that from the stand, you wanna be involved in that. There's never a good time for me with what's happening in my life right now to pause it and say, you know what, I'll check back in 100 years from now when you can figure out how to drastically improve my quality of life from age 40 on.

Well, but. And then, so by the time, you know, the people who wanna be frozen, I think they're either, they're either on their way out and it's too late or you know, it's just their life's not going well so they wanna, you know, hopefully wake up in an era when it can be better. Well, and part of this question is,

you know, I think the thing that we all fear is irrelevance, right? And I'm not talking about like the irrelevance that we fear as entertainers, you know, nobody caring about what we have to say anymore. But just as a person. So, there's just the way our society works. You get to be a certain age

and people just don't care what you think anymore. They care about you, right? So you got like, your grandparents, you have three living grandparents, right? Mm-hmm. Lincoln is how old now, 80 something? Eight, 88. Yeah, now you love him unconditionally, love him deeply,

but he's an 88-year-old man. He has done the things that he's going to do. Right. He's contributed 99% of the things that he's going to do. He's contributed 99% of the things that he's going to contribute, right? And he's comfortable with that, he's fine with that. Sure. But at this point, like,

you don't think of his opinion or his perspective, it doesn't carry the same weight that it carried when he was 58 and you were eight or whatever, right? Right. So there's this point in which our society has just sort of said, you get to be this age and it's just sort of like, you're old now. You matter but you don't matter at the same time.

Like that's just this collective thing that people kind of do to old people. And I think that personally out of, almost exclusively out of a sense of pride, the idea of just not mattering, of just being a person who is in the room at a family gathering and is like, everybody, sure, we all love Grandpa Rhett.

We all love him. But you know, now we're talking about things that really matter and at that point he kinda checks out. I have a huge fear of that. Now, when I am 88, I'm not gonna care about that probably. I care about that now as a 40 year old because I'm like putting myself into the body of it, my 88 year old self. Yeah, you're having a midlife crisis.

Well, it's not, no, it's not a midlife crisis. It's a fear of being old. It's a fear of being irrelevant. A midlife crisis is thinking that my life is over now. I love my life right now. But I think that's the part of getting old, not even death, just getting old that we fear. And so when I answer this question, I'm like, well,

before, right when I feel like that's about to happen, when I'm about to become what I see as irrelevant, that's when I wanna check out. And I feel bad even talking about it because I'm not trying to talk crap about old people. I'm just saying that this is just the way, you know, if you're of a certain age, you can't even get hired even if you're capable.

Like, you know, if you're a white haired 70 year old Like, you know, if you're a white haired 70 year old, and you're just as qualified as a brown haired 30 year old, you'd be like, this guy, he's 70, why does he wanna work here? You know, we don't value, we don't feel like old people have anything to offer. I'm not saying it's true, I'm just saying that that's just the way that.

Well when it is true, it's a sad reality. Right. So what do you, summarize your point. I'm just saying, to answer Allie's question of when would I want to be cryogenically frozen if this was a legitimate thing? Because you were talking about, I want to spectate all these things,

there'll never be a point in which I don't want to be a part of my family's life or whatever. I'm saying at the point that I become a burden is the point that I would want to check out. And then it'll be too late, unless assuming that when they thaw you out in this thought exercise, that they can do something reversing, which that, I think you can slow

a lot but the whole reversing thing, even the stem cell stuff we're talking about, I don't know that it seems still like a leap to say that it would make you young. It would just make you, it would make you the best of the age you could be. We're assuming that you're gonna basically be the same thing when you wake up. And then you're like, well I was almost irrelevant

when I was frozen and now you wake me up and I'm just irrelevant again. You know what, it's analogous. You know, I don't wanna go in another sci-fi direction, but I am. It's in a lot of ways analogous to who's going to go colonize Mars, you know? And you're not gonna take your kids,

maybe you'll take your wife, depending on the criteria and how many people are going, but I mean, I'm talking at first, at first they're not taking a bunch of children to colonize Mars, I would assume not. At first they're not taking a bunch of children to colonize Mars, I would assume not. But so it's people checking out of their Earth lives forever, they're never coming back. They're gonna go to Mars and so they continue

to live a life but you have to live a certain type of life or have a certain level of autonomy to be comfortable with I'm gonna check out of this world and enter a new world. So I think it's, there are people who are willing to do that. There are people that, you know, I'm not one of those people. When you've got kids that you're investing in,

that's a big factor. Yeah, I think we're probably talking about single, but I mean, the people who volunteer to do this, and again, I'm kind of with Neil deGrasse Tyson on this, I don't understand why we're thinking about colonizing Mars when we've got a planet that we really need to be worrying about here that's actually habitable now but may not be for much longer if we don't correct things.

Well I think we should have all the irons in the fire and we should have all types of people working on all types of things. But let's just say, yeah, but we're gonna talk about enough brain power to go around. Healthy 25 year olds who are single or going with their partner, don't have children, they're saying going with their partner, don't have children, they're saying bye to their parents, maybe they don't have a good relationship

with their parents. I mean, you're gonna have plenty of candidates. I don't think you have to worry about that. Oh yeah, oh yeah. But it's interesting, because we're talking about the ties that we have with our family, and this is totally natural,

and I'm in complete agreement with you, that as you think about your life and you think about what commitments you can make and you can't make and how long you wanna live, when you wanna check out, when you wanna be frozen, you're thinking about it in the context as a husband and a father. It's gonna be very interesting.

I think that a lot of our commitments and the way that we see family is based on our life expectancy. Meaning that if we get to a place where we can live forever, are you gonna be with the same person forever? Like if you can ostensibly live to be a thousand years old Like if you could ostensibly live to be 1,000 years old and your kids that you had, your kids are gonna be 970 years old.

You know what I'm saying? And they're gonna have kids and they're gonna have kids. Like the way that you. There's a space issue. There's definitely a space issue. That's like a capacity issue but let's put that aside. Let's just theoretically say that they continue, and maybe it's not every 30 years,

maybe a generation becomes a hundred years or something like that, but you're still talking about 10 generations of people. Are you gonna really care? Think about how many different, think about the way that a family tree goes. You have two kids, they each have two kids, they each have two kids, you go 10 generations,

we're talking about hundreds of people who are related to you but because you're so freaking old, at a certain point, you're gonna have no connection to them even though they are your direct descendants and they're, but now they're contemporaries with you. You have an embarrassment of riches of all these people that are related to you, but it's just, it's like walking down the street

and you're like, odds are, well, you know, I wouldn't be surprised given the odds that this person is a. And I wouldn't care. You couldn't help but not care, I think is your point. That's an interesting point. And listen, and again, I'm not. Because you can't maintain meaningful relationships with that many people, it doesn't matter

what the blood connection is. Right, and I'm not trying to get myself in trouble, I'm not trying to get you in trouble, I'm just talking theoretically here. With our wives, you mean? Yes, so let's just say, let's just say, let's not even talk about us, let's just talk about people who are in relationships

in general. Bobby. Do you think that if people can live forever and they get married in the first 30 years of their lives, that the expectation culturally, now the cultural expectation, traditionally speaking, is that you get married and you stay married and then you die, right?

Till death do us part. Now, not everybody does that, a lot of people get divorced for lots of different reasons. But the cultural sort of norm is that the expectation was that we would be together forever even though half of couples don't. Are we about to undo everything we talked about in last week's podcast?

No, no, no, no, no, see, no, don't think about it in respect to your wife. Think about it as just- Bobby and Jenny? A cultural institution. There is absolutely no way that the expectation would remain that you would stay with the same person until you were 1,000. There is, because I believe that the expectation to stay

till death do us part is based on life expectancy, coming back to my original argument. And if life expectancy isn't a thing, I just expect my life to go on forever, there's gonna become some norm. And I think the norm will be based on being with somebody and producing another generation. And when that generation is.

The same as you. No, no, the moment in which you can no longer connect with the offspring. So you can connect with your grandkids because that already happens. You can connect with your great grandkids because that already happens. There are some people who connect

with their great, great grandkids, but I feel like great,great-great grandkids, now you're in a place where the emotional capacity for connection with great-great-great grandkids is so low, that's when you say, all right, it's been great, this has been an incredible relationship, and now we're going to leave and we're going to start and we're gonna do this again.

Well, the thing I do agree with is that That's what I think about. It becomes like a corporate relationship, like you're the do this again. Well, the thing I do agree with is that That's what I think about. It becomes like a corporate relationship, like you're the CEO of a company. When a company gets so big, this does happen, the CEO of the company can't have a meaningful work relationship with certain people down the business structure.

And I just think, you know, you have, I don't know. I mean, you and I can be very heartless. So I'm trying to channel that person who's listening. No, no, no. Okay. It's not heartless. No, and no, here's what some people are saying right now. I'm gonna try to channel it.

And that is, there are, fact, there are people out there who have the capacity to love nations of people in a way that like, we're just not. Love nations, I love nations of people. I love all nations. I love all nations, I love everybody. I'm just saying as a unit of measurement, there are people who their love is unbounded.

I just think that, but we're talking very practically, like practical mechanics of actual connection, there is a limitation to the human, to a human's ability to have a meaningful, you can have a love for a nation of people, but you can't have a connection, you can't have a specific relationships with that many individuals. Yeah, well I think it's 150, right?

There's a certain, I don't know what the number is, it's the so and so number because somebody, some anthropologist determined that just based on hunter-gatherer heritage that the human brain has the capacity to have meaningful relationships with 150 individuals. It's just based on like tribe size, whatever. But so I don't wanna say,

cause they're also talking about it, the way I broke it down was when you couldn't, you can no longer connect with offspring, but you might be saying, but what about your, what about your, the partner that you're with? Isn't the love for your partner just gonna continue indefinitely? I'm just saying that the expectation for how long the relationship would be is that would actually take on

a much more practical approach. Because here's the thing, we like to think that this is just the way it's always been. But the fact is is that, well, many different cultures and probably most, the way that relationships were formed in the distant past was much different. In fact, humans were much more like animals in the distant past in that they were

in polygamous relationships. I mean, that was what the, when you go back to those 150 size tribes, it was a dude with multiple wives. You see that in all kinds of ancient texts and there's lots of archeological evidence of that. So that was the cultural norm at the time. So what I'm saying is that if things, and the reason that it was that way

is all kinds of factors that contributed to what was the most efficient way to live at the time for multiple women to pair up with one man. It was just, it was the way the dynamics work. So I'm saying that in the distant future, if people are living forever, the dynamics, the expectations, and the cultural norms, and what we consider to be moral will change

because it changes over time as circumstances change. And I don't think it's gonna be this thing where it's just like, oh, well, that love isn't real. It's gonna be like, no, that love was there for a certain time and then both people are just like, okay, either we continue this or we don't and it'll be based on so many different factors that we can't even begin, like that gets back to the,

when are you gonna wake up? When are you gonna be introduced? Which we talked about a couple of podcasts ago. You might wake up at a time where so many things have changed and we've tapped into the way our brain works and we have no capacity to even understand the future that we've been put in.

Your mind explodes. And then you're like, I shouldn't have woken up. Again, I agree with you, not trying to be bleak about it, it's just, it's a reality. But the thing about staying paired up for life, even if that's eternity, and the argument of, you know, 50 years together, 60 years together,

the type of thing of that seeming long, and to be celebrated as a cultural achievement. I'm just wondering if you take it backwards to, you know, like when life, based on life expectancy, that's what makes it awesome to say, okay, if we're gonna live this long and you're gonna be partnered up for that long, that's to be celebrated. Well let's go back to life expectancy

when life expectancy was much less. And then that, being with somebody that long was I'm sure still celebrated. Or maybe, are you saying, would you say it was no big deal when people were dying of the black plague or whatever it was called? Well you know, it is. Go ahead. Because then I'm saying,

if you stay together as long as you live, then relatively, then if you stay, if you live for, if life is basically 250 years, it seems like the same principles would apply. It doesn't seem like that should change. The arguments that we were making on the previous podcast about how relationships, commitment, in a loving partnership opens up a world of experience

and enrichment that just moving to somebody else and starting over, which might be more amorous, you're missing out on something. I'm trying to make the argument that if I added another 150 years in my relationship with my wonderful wife, it would be that much more wonderful for ways that I could not anticipate because. That's not what I'm saying.

Because you're talking about life expectancy. I'm talking about suspended, not suspended animation, basically not aging anymore. So I'm talking about indefinite life. You're talking about, I know, but I'm incrementally getting there. So I'm talking about indefinite life. You're talking about, I know, but I'm incrementally getting there. So I'm just making an argument, well, let's pull back to life expectancy 250 years.

How do you feel about that? Well, I feel like I can make that argument. Now 500 years. Well, okay, but you're also, it's being a little unfair because you're putting it in personal terms. Obviously, if I put it in personal terms, I'm going to say that if I were to live to be 1,000,

I would stay with Jessie all 1,000 years. Yeah, and you know what? And we'll cut it right there, and what I said and what you just said is what we'll send to them. And now we can just talk, we can just let it out. I'm not talking about it personally because my perspective that I bring to this and your perspective that you bring to this is a person who's going to live

to be no more than 100 if you're lucky and then you're gonna die. You and I live in this timeframe. We have this mindset, we have this perspective and so do our wives. I know. And we live in a time that has this cultural expectation. But let's talk about 250 years.

You cannot talk about it personally. Let's talk about 250 years. And I'll go right back to what I said. So 250 years, when do the great great grandkids come in? Definitely before 250 years. And so I'm saying that I think that that's the trigger point at which point that the offspring that you create, you would begin to lose an emotional connection with them,

the offspring that you created with this individual person, because ultimately, if you wanna get down to the mechanics, that's kinda the purpose of, that's sort of the ultimate biological purpose of pairing up in a traditional sense is to propagate the species, right? That's what those desires, that's what they're kinda based in.

And so if you put it into those terms. You're making an argument void of consciousness. I mean I'm sure a Bonobo would feel that way. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, say I don't care how old I'm gonna get, I'm gonna stay with my wife because that's the mind frame. But if I was- If we were born into a world where people paired up and it was celebrated to be in a committed propagating relationship for-

It wouldn't be celebrated. For a certain amount of time and then it was expected that. To break up. Once you hit the what do we call it? Let's call it 250. No, no, but let's name. The threshold.

Let's name this threshold something that sounds cool that the culture could really get behind. The love milestone. The love milestone. The love stone. There's a whole ceremony. There's a stone and you rub it and all your friends come. I think it's. All your offspring

down to your great, great, great grandkids come. Your great, great, great, great grandkids don't come because you don't care about those stupid idiots. There's too many of them. Right, so. You got hundreds of people already showing up at this freaking thing. If we were born into that cultural norm where that was celebrated and then at the love stone,

then you part ways amicably or not. No, no, you know what would happen at the love stone? First of all, it would be a cultural contract. It would be a societal pact. And what would happen at the love stone agreement is not only would you, and it wouldn't be seen as a breakup. Again, we see all these things in a negative light

because of the time that we live in. If you could live to be whatever age and you got to the love stone, what would happen at the love stone ceremony is that the next two people that you were both going to pair off with would be at the love stone ceremony. That's what a love stone ceremony would be. It would be this couple is parting and starting

two new couples and you'd still be friends but now you start the whole process over again with someone else and it would be celebrated culturally. It seems, it's counter to everything that we think. But if that were the cultural norm that I was born into and experienced my whole life, I could see that I would fall in line. You know, because it's just the way it is. You know, if you're taught your whole life

that this is the beauty of it, and these are the ways to celebrate it, you know, I'm certain I could be convinced of it. But then there would be a movie. There would be a movie, and it would be a movie about, it would be called Turning Over the Love Stone, and it would be a movie, there would be a movie. And it would be a movie about, it would be called Turning Over the Love Stone. And it would be about this couple

that got to the love stone ceremony. And the new partners were there, and they shunned the new partners, and they started the whole thing over again together. And that would become celebrated as the ideal, because that was turning the cultural norm on its head. And it would be seen as incredibly controversial. They moved past the love stone.

They're actually talking to their great, great, great, great grandkids. That could also happen. Yeah, and I think there are many people that would wanna stay together. And you and I are two of those people. Absolutely. It seems like by saying that,

that we're actually saying the opposite. No, no, I told you. And I'm not. From a personal perspective. You tricked me, by the way. You spent the last 15 minutes to get me on your side about this freaking love stone. Yeah. And then the moment, I'm like, you know what, if I was born into this cultural norm and blah, blah, blah,

blah, I could see that I would fall in line. And the moment I said I would fall in line, you're like, and then they'd make a movie and the awesome thing that I would agree with was someone turning over the love stone. You trapped me, you jerk. It's the beauty of talking about things that will never come to pass in our lifetime.

This, you know what can never come to pass? The release of this podcast. We can't release this. Yes we can. Now, again. This has cultural implications in my household. Now, because you tricked me. Okay, so what you're telling me is that just because

you, if your wife finds out that you said that if it was culturally acceptable for you to only be married to her for like 300 years, that you might call it quits after 300 years, you think she's gonna be upset about that? Well I wouldn't call it quits, 300 years. You think she's gonna be upset about that? Well I wouldn't call it quits, I'd call it the love stone. Yeah, the love stone, it's all positive.

You gotta say, listen, baby, we're talking about a fictitious reality that we started talking about based on Ali B's question that led us to a place where we talked about a time when humans can live indefinitely where once you get to having great, great, great grandkids, you have no more capacity to love. And so there's this thing, there's a ceremony

called the love stone where you get a new partner. And you know what she would say? What would she say? I told you years ago to get out from under that tall guy's thoughts. What? You act like this isn't my fault. This isn't my fault.

I'm just speaking what I believe. What I'm talking about is not what I want, but what I guess would be the truth if this were to come to pass. That's all I'm saying. I say my personal application is together forever. My best guess as to what would be the cultural norm is that it would change because together forever

is based on forever not being that long. But when forever becomes forever, forever? Everything. Forever ever? Everything we think about commitment will change. And I think that's gonna be one of the most significant cultural questions that has to be answered if and when we reach true immortality, which I don't necessarily think is ever gonna happen.

And I definitely don't think we're gonna live to see it. And I don't even think that I would want to, to be completely honest with you, because I think at some point, I'm just gonna be ready to check out. Even if I do have this amazing 40 year old body that runs on a 25 year old treadmill. Listen, you can't stroll the grocery aisles forever.

At some point, you're right, you gotta check out. I mean, think about it, that's a good analogy. I mean, I've been in a grocery store and the last thing I wanted was to stay there forever. Yeah but you can go to like a super Walmart, they got more stuff. It's kinda trashy feeling though. I mean you can go to, there's so many stores though.

What do you mean? In my analogy there's only one store. The store's not your wife, right? Because I. She has everything I need. Because that wasn't what I was saying. I moved beyond that. I'm gonna be in the Super Walmart for the rest of my life. Man, usually at this point I'm like,

all right, you let us know what you think, hashtag Ear Biscuits, but you're not gonna listen to this. Because this has been, this has been censored. Well, here's the thing is that you're making the assumption that our wives listen to this podcast. They don't. No, they don't. They don't, they listen to us. They listen to us. And that's why

you are listening to this. Blabber on about things at home. Why are they gonna choose to just play a digital file of us talking for an hour? And let's be real real, all right? Yeah. Who are we to think that they would be offended that we would say that?

They'd probably be like, hallelujah. You think I wanna be with you forever? I think that I know one of our wives is gonna be thinking that. I know, I think my wife would be, I think she'd be on the same page with me. I think she would say, if that comes to pass, the love stone ceremony hundreds of years into the future,

I get it, it's fine, wish you the best. And you know what? Well, you know, we can re-stone. Yeah, you can come back again. Yeah. Yeah. You have forever. You have forever. Unless you die in a car wreck.

Oh, that's a good point. Yeah, which is one of the things that I was talking about earlier, but let's just assume that you're living in like a weird bubble suit that you can't die. Which that makes things awkward right there. Bubble suit. I just picture myself walking down the grocery store aisle

in a bubble suit. How do I get out of this place? You can't, you can't die, you're in a bubble suit. Can't fit through the checkout. All those magazines. Okay well, Abby, or that's not your name, Ally B. Hopefully we- You've really dredged it up. Yeah, I mean this is all your fault.

But you know, hopefully many, many years from now, somebody at a love stone ceremony will dig this up and be like, you know the origin of this whole idea? There's a couple of nimrods back in 2018 talking out of their whole idea. There's a couple of nimrods back in 2018 talking out of their butt holes. Hashtag your biscuits. Breathe in deep.